Building a Big Bang Machine on the Moon - with James Beacham
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2018
- If we could build a particle collider so large that it stretches around the moon, what physics could we uncover? James Beacham takes us on a tour of particle physics.
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The Large Hadron Collider switched on in 2015 at the highest energy ever, re-creating the conditions of the universe as they were just a fraction of a second after the Big Bang, and what physicists are learning so far is that our universe seems to be … extremely odd. But to know exactly how odd it is we need to build a bigger collider, to get even closer to the moment of the Big Bang. How big do we need to go? Join particle physicist James Beacham as he explores what we would likely learn from a hadron collider around the moon, such as whether we live in a multiverse - and what this means for society.
James Beacham is a post-doctoral researcher with The Ohio State University, based full-time at CERN, where he is a member of the ATLAS Experiment collaboration, one of the two teams that discovered the Higgs boson in 2012.
His research focuses on finding explanations for some of the key unsolved mysteries of the universe, like determining what dark matter is, whether the Higgs boson is standard or not-so-standard, why gravity is so weak compared to the other forces of nature, and whether there are hidden, dark sector forces out there that we've yet to uncover in collider experiments.
This talk and Q&A was filmed at the Ri on 27 March 2018.
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James Beacham; one of my new heroes.❤ Never shall we stop looking up and asking those big questions that arent being begged to be answered.
I really liked the 2 cars annihilating into a bicycle which explodes into 2 skateboards thing!
Wow cant wait to see that bit.
You were first comment btw
21:06
That was my favorite bit of the lecture as well.
Near the end of his speeches he always delves into politics.... I love it, I love everything he has to say
He also has an issue with 2 white guys receiving the Nobel prize. Did they not deserve it?
Probably the finest lecture have ever seen from RI, it's a previledge for us to get those lectures for free
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James is the first scientist I’ve seen that openly recognizes the empire is stifling human progress. I like this guy, well done.
How good is James Beacham!
I believe, if it were to be done, we would need to mine the resources and make the materials there on the moon. The fuel costs of launching the raw materials off of Earth to then decelerate them onto the moon would be ridiculously high.
The first thing would be to build a lunar space port for the reception of initial equipment including prospecting and mining equipment.
Dark matter, dark energy, supersimetry, multiverse, all this make me think about the "Ether" and "Primium movile" of Ptolomeo. After 2000 years of modern physics and maths we have made some discoveries but seems to be that we have no idea of how the universe really works or what is it made of.
It's been made of the same stuff all along; just the words to describe it change.
Regardless of my judgement of the idea of building a PC around the moon; I respect this man and wish earth was full of his alikes.
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Great talk... I found his enthusiasm for the subject so contagious that his halting, sometimes stammering delivery was all the more engaging rather than being a distraction as it can often be. This bubbly gawkiness merely served to make his penultimate diatribe on geopolitics / macroeconomics incredibly poignant, as his countenance fell grave, the camera pushing in on his glossy eyes... regardless of whatever collectivist utopia the visions of which he may harbor in that sweetly bleeding heart of his, one thing is certain; he loves humanity as much as the matter of which we are comprised.
Excellent! Science and brotherhood give me hope!
One of the best talks on Ri Channel I saw.
Drive Tone I’m a white heterosexual male and a little bit racist. And I hate racism and politicians combined. So from my point of view about two white Nobel prize winners is on point (not a conspiracy just sayin). And about politics ( have you been stuck unwillingly in a civil war?) I have my solid reasons why I’m not trusting it. OK?
Thank you very, very much. :)
Very motivating speech, very pro for that.
U know that. Billion trillion zillion,every imaginable figures of measurement. And exceeding that too . That kinda immortality.
Thank you Prof. James Beacham for a challenging talk. You've presented an interesting question: Should the wealth of humanity be concentrated in the hands of a few or should it be used for scientific research?
Some people in the comments say you have no place asking that question. I say, ask away. If science is our best understanding of nature at this time, then there are no questions you can not ask.
Very nice talk!
Brilliant Ideas
The guys that wrote everything everywhere all at once definitely saw this lecture
Would it be harder to build it in space rather than the moon? And how much harder to have machines doing most of the work?
I really enjoyed prof cottonmouth's lecture. Good shit! More please
Lucas Grey probably took too much adderral
Great talk
Great presentation. I dream about becoming a piece of this journey.
you are already a part of this journey :)
i like james beacham!
Speculative scientific ideas that cannot be proved are called Science Fiction. I think it's great that young physicists like Beacham are open to the marvelous ideas that are still speculative.
I wonder if it would be easier to build as a space station at a Lagrange point, rather than buried on the moon.
Not only very well presented but also with a great sense of humor!
Brilliant lecture! Love the map charting analogy. Anyone know what's happening with the space elevators idea (using carbon nano technology)? I always imagined a web/network of these cables holding the "outstations" steady so we could easily take our kit up there 😺
According to a not too long ago book on S-Particles there could be 5 Higgs Bosons. If we had a bigger machine maybe we could discover additional Higgs Bosons. If I recall there was a recent 'blip' at about 750 million ev. Mabey this is another form of the Higgs Boson. An interesting experiment could be to expose a target to a beam of Higgs Bosons and see if there is a weight or mass change in the target associated with the beam or field.
Mindblowing! We actually bent light and by doing that we countered dark matter and dark energy by adding a sliver of light where there should not have been any because that higgs boson added light to light without borrowing from it's source. That's really cool. It's actually like reversing time and I think that is really amazing. I'm blown. I wonder how many gravitrons are in a proton.
Off topic but a friend of mine who works at the LHC says nobody knows who the bloke in the yellow hat standing under the ATLAS detector is.
Probably a politician or some guy who financed part of ATLAS...
Its me
I don't know too much about Quantum mechanics, but for the 2-cars->bicycle->2-skateboards analogy at 21:17 I would have thought that the mass would have to be retained so the 2 cars would have to make a massive bicycle etc. Can someone correct me on this?
46:46 - If we can get those magnets strong enough, we could use them to protect spacesteads (large rotating space stations) and martian habitats against radiation.
Good vid.
Have you guys ever tried slowing down the particle you getting out of explosion to study their behaviour by some magnetic field ir temperature control, it may sound foolish but just a thought came in mind like meteor burn entering in atmosphere similar it burn but in case we somehow slow down outcome particle after explosion it may survive long to study it better
Dude, after the last 5 minutes of your talk I would definitely friend you on FB.
24:30 - Classic S curve. 20th century was the steep part of the curve - we've done well and are now getting to the flat top part. That kind of glory can't last forever.
can u get enough energy / right particles in a fusion explosion?
no as of now, because if u want to discover a particle it must collide at near light speed
Love his progrock band.
Loved the intro. Felt reflected
Loved the ending as well
On a non judgmental way
Plank scale all the way through, gents!
it would be cool to be a particle physicist working at a particle accelerator on the moon! just a thought :)
Congratulations to the childhood Mr. Beacham on successfully informing his young friend about the distance between us and Vega, and more generally helping the other boy see the need to perform experiments when inquiring into matters of fact.
“The only failure is to stop searching”.
~James Beacham
I want to build a universe. From the nothing. And that nothing,i will build it too . I will.
I've watched many of these talks. They are great. Still, I never felt compelled to write a comment.
So, here's my first RI talk comment:
AMAZING! THANK YOU!
Thanks for sticking around, we appreciate you.
Hello! Thank you for the presentation. If watching the double-slit experiment changes the result, then I wonder if this applies to the particle detector. Can you help me clarify this?
Yes. Wave-particle duality applies to the whole standard model. So does Heisenberg uncertainty, entanglement, and quantum tunneling.
do any particles disappear at higher speeds and only exist at lower speeds
WHO IS BETTER OFF SINCE THE DISCOVERY OF THE HIGGS BOSON???
(apart from a few particle physicists and some sci-fi writers)
Am I the only one who got reminded of Douglas Adams when he expanded his experiment (whith would answer all the questions...) to cosmic sizes? Slartibartfass anyone?
Would it be cheaper to build a straight collider in space? You would not need as much tech to 'bend' the particles around a circular track.
The circle is a track that the particles make laps around many times to gain speed before they are smashed, so the circle is necessary, at least for these designs (I don’t know how many laps). It’s still a good question though; how much linear accelerator would you need to equal the circular ones?
This is an absolutely brilliant, funny and genuinely interesting talk!
nice pitch meeting
With a quantum perhaps one wouldn't have to design specific triggers in what they are looking for but the computers might be able to analyze more data and perhaps find a TOE.
I liked the 1950s joke about nuclear families 👍
I know right. The state should raise our children
Interesting, well presented, informative and inspiring, just what a lecture should be 👍
Why not build it as a gigantic modular spaceship as opposed to a moon based structure...
Open question to dark matter hypothesis :
I don't have access to the data (i just saw the graph in the video and presumed that the linear graph is the distance from the center vs the speed) , but the spiral galaxy in order to rotate in that way shouldn't the dark matter be proportional (NOT EVEN as common sense implains ) distributed, so that the edge(how is farther away from the center than the middle of the galactic bulge) to have a the speed as the middle of the galactic bulge.
This guy is like a love child from Geoff Goldbloom and Woody Allen.
Big vision. I want to power this vision with The Matrix. Fascinating talk.
An accelerator around the equator of the moon is a very good and doable idea. Another possibility could be a third ring around and or below the CERN machine.
You will love the idea of the Future Circular Collider, the 100 km Ring. Guess where they want to build it (if they do it).
How many resources would have to be removed from the earth? Materials, water, funds, and some of our best minds gone at the expense of tax payers with real problems. The tests they would run assuming that they are at a safe distance from the earth would likely put life at risk on the planet and that's without taking into account the loss of resources and its effects.
I think what we really need is a particle accelerator around Uranus. I mean, what better place to discover new particles? Imagine the headlines...
That dudes a trip
This was an amazing talk. Both on the topic itself and politically. Would I prefer a pure scientific talk without the need to mention politics, of course, but the reality of things is that we live in a world where politics not only influences our civilization but science as well. It is time scientists stand up for society and for themselves. Science is neither good nor bad, but that doesn't give scientists the right to look away if their discoveries are used in a harmful way. We have the responsibility that our discoveries are used for the best of all of humanity not just a few or even against us or we might as well become death itself, destroyer of worlds!
He is excited about what he is talking about
If a collider were built around the Moon, because or the temperature of space near absolute zero, we may not need super conducting magnetics, This may make a lunar collider very economical to build. As to rare earths we may be able to find them in the asteroids.
I'm all for it, because it would establish a human community on the moon. This thing would have to be staffed, and those people would need standard support services, etc.
I guess a potential reason to attempt something like this is for the same reason that going to the moon wasn't a waste of money. All the engineers and scientists who developed new tech to put on the rockets didn't just disappear after the project ended - suddenly the world had a generation of the best engineers looking for new jobs.
Wait, stop right there... Would you believe 2 Africans won a Nobel prize
How do we know that the Higgs Boson was the particle that was discovered? We didn't know what the mass should be before we found it. If there are supersymmetric particles, how do we know the particle that we think is the Higgs Boson isn't one of them?
Yes, we did know the mass range pretty well. There is an upper range of approx. 175GeV/c^2 from theoretical arguments (don't nail me to the cross if I am off by a few GeV/c^2) and other accelerators (Fermilab) had explored the range up to 100 -120GeV/c^2 already, if I remember correctly. That put the Higgs somewhere in that interval. You have to understand that the standard model is not completely arbitrary. Once some of the particle masses are known, others have to be within certain ranges or the model falls apart completely. Since it fits really well, we have a fairly high level of confidence in these predictions.
Finally, a scientist who speak out on this infantile ideological system we are in now.
We could easily use scientific thinking to better the human condition, and to better every scientific field. We can easily 'afford' this and every other thing we want, but the current ideological (non-scientific) system are holding us all back.
Thank you James.
Particle accelerator on MARS. Constructed in conjunction with an artificial magnetosphere to protect the plant from solar wind and radiation. Also, a hyperloop rail gun mass launcher off the peak of Olympus Mons. MARS as the scientific and space tech manufacturing center of the inner solar system. Now we are talking!!
HM around 39:25 he mentions that not so long ago, a single person could make great discoveries bu tabletop experiments, and that today LUCKILY this is no more like that.
Why luckily? I would say UNFORTUNATELY, as I see no luck in needing to spend billions?
I couldn't agree more with you. It is wasted money, energy and talent.
However, loved the talk. Close your eyes, sounds like Max Tegmark!
One of the best on RI. Congratulations
Forgive me if I'm ignorant as hell, but can't we also control the mass in E=mc^2? I.e., we're colliding things at energy E, but the protons we're colliding are each mass M. Why not ramp up the mass, i.e, slam two lead atoms together instead of hydrogen? I know that it's not a simple swap-in sort of thing, but isn't this as valid an approach as increasing the size and energy of the collider?
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Einsteins' most famous equation E = mc^2 applies to static energy to mass equivalence, right ?
E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2 is used for moving energy to mass equivalence ?
E = 1/2mv^2, this is a Newtonian equation ?
F = ma seems very similar to E = mc^2 ?
What should I read to clarify the above, please ?
Maybe lead isn't the best choice then (did not give that enough thought, just figured cheap + massive), but in concept using a more massive particle with the same size loop would still let us scale the experiment further without going as far as the circumference of the moon or the orbit of Neptune, yes? Thanks for the detailed answer, by the way.
Some things will never happen. It is safe to predict that no matter how much effort and money is expended, no one will ever build a houseboat that will float on the Sun. This project is but a step below a Sun Floating Houseboat. None could even afford to rent such a domicile.
No need for more TeV just reverse polarity. And let’s call it “Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator”.
Why can't we just use the same Collider (powerful enough), which repeats loops? Why would it have to be 11,000km? Can't you just get a dual-track 50km collider and send the particles around 220 times?
I guess the 50 km collider has a much tighter curve the whole way round, meaning more force is needed to stop the particles crashing into the outside as they accelerate.
The people got out of there confused. I bet 10 beers.
As long as we're bringing up colliders as large as the orbit of Neptune, I should mention that the answer to the financial dilemma is not pitching investors or decrying national priorities. It is voluntary incentivized #asynalagonomy on small scales proving their model then being adopted on national and international scales.
Aliens, our universe aliens , endlessly infinite multiverse aliens and beyond multiverse aliens, Aliens. And beyond that aliens....
For a moment I thought Steven Wilson was giving a Ted Talk.
Why digg a tunnel? To create a vacuum in? There IS a vacuum at the moon. Just put, say, a 1000 magnets there in series and you re done
It would be orders of magnitude more difficult and expensive to build a collider on the moon than it would be to simply pick a suitable great circle on the Earth. The only benefits of doing this on the moon that I can think of would be that there are no national boundaries or oceans to cross. And I just don't think those are insurmountable problems.
Not insurmountable problems? Have you watched international news lately? 🤔🤨 It's a lot more insurmountable than it was when we built the ISS, and getting moreso every day.
Sounds like one big advertisement to justify building bigger particle accelerators at enormous expense.
Write a book on this topic
Once we have tech like that “money” won’t be what holds us back.
It’ll be our resources and rate of recovery.
Muchas películas!
I want to know what a POC discovered the same year the Higgs Boson was prooved that should have out shadowed the discovery of the field that gives all matter mass. Im just wondering why the fact that the Nobel Prize went to two white men for a HUGE discovery has to be subtlely appologized for.
time or relativistic affects
You guys create what quark gluon plasma in the lhc don't you
i love and agree with your passion and dedication........(this is from an american minority person(black)) ..science/physics is needed!!
I thought this was great. One of the most interesting talks I've heard in a while. Thank you RI and James Beacham!
The US Military annual budget in total is around $598billions, imagine if one country could save that in 4 years time the USA could fund this 11,000km particle accelerator on the moon alone................ just imagine that!
Using SI prefixes instead of imperial units:
LHC construction: 4.6G$. (gigadollar)
Moon collider: 1.9T$ (terradollar)
or measured in US military budgets: 0.5T$ oer year (real number is 640 G$)
LHC: less than four days (over a period of 10 years)
Moon collider: 4 years (over an period of 10-20 years?)
Or put in perspective, if you make the minimum wage in the US ($7:50) You would in four days make $240. Each year, for ten years, you pay $24 to get LHC.
The moon project, on this scale, would be roughly $200 000. Which happens to be the median home price in the U.S.
Of course, the US can't just cut their military spendings in half for 20-30 years to build the moon collider at least not if they really wanted to.
Darn it, he did mention that, and got a few things wrong:
There is no inherent value in the "unicorns". Facebook has no intrinsic value of hundreds of millions of dollars.
This evaluation is based on a (generally much over estimated) future monetary gain from as of now unknown sources (ad revenue and selling peoples personal data are real, but the amount of money they can make from that is not realistically tens of thousand of dollars per user).
What this means is that all the value of stocks in the stock market, only exists as long as people believe that the value will increase, or (for a few companies) profits will allow for a steady return on your investment.
But at the next level we have the same problem with currencies. There are hardly any currencies today that are tied to a tangible valuable asset. Besides, what use would that gold be in a society without trade? There is a move from petrodollar to petroeuro, because the US dollar is losing value to the Euro, and is perceived as less stable than the Euro, so those selling oil will rather get paid in Euros than in USD, which in turn devalues the USD even more in a self fulfilling prophecy.
So stop looking at valuations. Before the US car manufacturers got into serious economical problems, Detroit was a wealthy city.
Housing prices were high, but it was a safe investment. In just a few years time Detroit crashed, now parts of the city is abandoned and it is known as a deserted city (even if that is just partially true). So current market valuations are based on the current situation, and if you capitalize on that in a large scale, valuations will drop.
Yes, we have the resources to go to the moon and build a few huge super colliders (let's start small, maybe the 1000km range? Maybe just a linear 1000 km collider?
But those resources can't be rerouted from the tulip market. (Just google tulip mania)
I believe it was just for reference, perspective.
I scrolled down to comment on what apparently most others have noticed: What's with the "two white males" remark? Are you kidding me?
"Welp, looks like two *white males* won the Nobel prize again."
No, two hard working scientists won the Nobel prize.
I would think it would be cheaper to build such a ring in space. I don't mean out to the orbit of Neptune. Bolt together prefabbed sections, each with some radius so when assembled it would have the diameter of the moon or whatever diameter we choose. This does away with all the tunneling through regolith, tunneling through mountains, spanning valleys with bridge like structures and workers & machinery not being effected by sharp moon dust.
James Beacham oh my god he explains it so natural. The ideas flow effortless.
maby not make te partical axelerator out of a complete ring bu more of a satelite poligon
Can we design it with nuke powered electromagnets that are leaky enough to replace Mars' magnetic field? That would be useful even if we did not find any new particles.
What an interesting idea. Another reason to eagerly await results from the InSight mission, I suppose (from the engineering point of view).
A dual purpose machine on Mars would be brilliant, nearly every terraforming proponent seems to gloss over the magnetic field problem.
6:16 "because quantum field theory magic is going to happen..." true. that.