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Simracing is difficult. Learning how to drive fast takes time, dedication and persistence. Assetto Corsa Competizione is one of the best simulations with highly sensitive aerodynamics that want to be respected. Telemetry, such as motec helps with analyzing car behavior and finding major issues in the car setup or driving style. Special sim racing hardware also helps with becoming better, but certainly is not the solution to your problems. Load cell pedals offer better feel. Stronger but most importantly more detailed force feedback of e.g. direct drive wheels offer more immersive sensations. Though I know and I've seen throughout the years, people with entry level hardware perform on top level.
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Thanks man. This helps a lot. My last league race at Spa was horrible. After about 8 or 10 laps it felt like I was driving on ice. After this video I ran 12 laps and I feel more comfortable and in control of the car. I’m thinking your coaching lessons will help me tremendously.
Amazing video Nils. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I almost never comment on RUclips videos but I had to show my appreciation for this great video. Thanks, brother.
thanks mate!
@@SimracingPopometer I want to ask you a question Nils if that's okay... if I want to dive deep into vehicle dynamics (sim and real-life), is there any book or source that you would recommend?
Me a fresh rookie still struggling to break 2:27...
it's been 5 months now. What is your PB now?
Update?
I set the steering degrees to 500 for the Porsche ,it works really well..also set all toes as negative as they can be,gives you more speed and acelleration....I love the Porsche ,only car I drive now,it's OP for sure...
Started off doing a 02:32.9 today 4 months later I did a 02:22.7 although I did do a 21:9 but it was voided as crossed the rumble strip heading to the finish line. The huge difference to my times was thanks to a guy called Suelio Almeida(hope i spelt it right) his tips on RUclips were to do a bunch of laps then watch your replays and take notes, so simple but it was hard to believe just how far i was from the turn in and how early i was breaking, my noted ended up looking like i qas a rally co driver lol😅
Great analysis and very clear. I am trying to unlearn the bad habit of a little throttle tap in corner entry so maybe the porsche is not the best car for me to improve my technique but the 911 at Spa is one of the special events on ACC I'm doing.
Really interesting about inducing a bit of understeer with higher steer angle, I am struggling with the front gripping up too much coming off the brakes, and losing the rear end, so very keen to try this technique out.
Great video this for understanding where those seconds come from. Thanks for sharing
Hello, Nils. Great video. My favourite track is Spa, and I'm knocking out the laps there to learn the game and my wheel etc. Fairly new to all this. I've discovered that the Porsche seems to suit me, at this track at least. What are the "bad habits" you mentioned with the Porsche that won't carry over to other cars? Thank you. -Nevermind, saw you answered this in another comment, cheers.
My best time is about 6 seconds slower, in a Ferrari, with a full fuel tank. I have never driven Spa with a little fuel as the guy in the video, but even so, I am way off of his time. It's really frustrating when you realize how slow you actually are :-( Awesome video, Nils. I'm sure we all greatly appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
sorry mate! but i have so many ways for you to improve. Theres the data comparison feature in RST and theres also the youtube membership where you can watch coachings, and if thats not enough, you can buy a coaching with me directly. :)
I struggle with the idea of late apexing on corners too me it seems to lead to more aggressive turning in and unsettling the car. Case in point being Nils explaination of turn in into Eau Rouge, ie. encouraging a less wide approach and gentlier earlier turn in. My natural tendency would be to turn in too early according to the classic ideal lines.
it's really a Porsche thing cause it's so overly sensitive and doesn't like harsh turn ins
...another great video..i respect your knowledge ... i learned a lot from that too ...thnx..
The refresh ratio of my brain is 10% higher. Here's the super complicated graph which proves exactly this. I joke i joke. These are worth the dollar.
i agree there's only so many data your brain can process. and it will be able to cope with the amount of influx better as soon as it has learned to separate the valuable info from the useless. practice increases brain efficiency. and i hope these videos at least to some degree highlight important info otherwise hidden in the noise of data
excellent stuff... my fav track plus my league car. very handy. Thank you
Hey Nils, thanks for another great upload. I always learn from watching these videos! I have a question for you - one of the main things about your driving which I find so impressive is the consistency, even in this coaching video the laps you did for preparation were all 2:17s with only 3-4 tenths variation at most in lap-time. Do you have any tips for building up to that level of consistency (or is it just a side effect/function of doing enough focused laps)?
this might sound a bit stupid, but the 0.4s in between laps is not something you'll find me do during a competition (in clean air that is). the laps have to be a bit closer together and only really the car becoming slower from the tires getting worse should affect the laptime. Not gonna win anything on top level with half a second of volatility.
However: i think there's a different take on it here: i do not struggle driving the cars anymore or squeezing the laptime out. im not surprised by what the car does or so. its just a matter of focus to tap into what i can do and know about the car. this automatically comes when you get comfortable with the limit of the car and can drive it around a track just about on that edge without thinking about it or trying. its when you stop needing to push to get good laptimes that you also stop doing these small mistakes that cost you time.
@@SimracingPopometer Yes, 0.3 or 0.4 seems a lot for you, I saw from your other races the < 1 tenth laptime consistency you have there in the actual race situations haha. :D
Thank you for the insight, it's helpful to know the kind of feeling or target I should be aiming for. I'm finding right now I still feel like I'm really on the limit to extract the laptime (benchmarking against RSR leaderboards - in AC I'm about 1s off the WR at Spa for the Porsche GT3 Cup on a default setup). So I think my ultimate pace is not a million miles away (but can be improved obviously), but I can only be consistent (like having a couple tenths laptime variation) if I run the race maybe 0.3 or 0.4s slower than my "maximum" laptime. I guess it's just about doing more focused practice until what feels like "pushing" right now becomes a new normal set of driving inputs and feedbacks that the car gives.
Thanks again man, it's so cool of you to respond to these questions :)
Sometimes the game only allows you to push for a lap or two and then the temp or pressure goes out of the window. I haven't done too much on AC to know for sure
@@SimracingPopometer thanks for giving me something to put in my bag of excuses but I'm pretty sure at this point it's me xD, I will keep putting in the effort and strive for improvement. Can't wait till I can get a setup next year capable of running ACC at decent FPS.
Excellent instruction. I would love to see a comparison between your own telemetry between the F1 rim and a full size 320 or 330 GT rim. I have the F1, but just don't like it for GT car, although I'm sure it's hurting my response.
It's taken me a bit to hit 2:17 with the '18 911. No splitter/aero on the front has made it the most difficult car/track combo in ACC for me.
it's about sensitivity and reaction speed. with the f1 rim you need to do smaller movements to do the same amount of rotation, which means it's more sensitive and precision more difficult. but this also means that you can do required quick movements quicker.
in the end I'm sure it's only getting used to either, no actual benefit or disadvantage for either
ACC is a weird adjustment coming from AC, can get under 2:20 easily on AC every time, ACC not so much haha
i know, i can easily do 2:18 in ac and i can barely do 2:20 in acc
In AC u don't have the BoP which is used in ACC. That's one reason 😉
Well, I'm not within 10 seconds of this in ACC so I'm struggling... I'm reasonably competitive in rFactor 2 but not this one. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong.
sounds a bit weird - more like you have some setting entirely wrong!?
@@SimracingPopometer I've tried all kinds of things, including settings and setups from other people (which I shouldn't do) in an attempt to find out what's fast. The Porsche is hard to drive. I get that. I can get around La Source okay but Eau Rouge is a nightmare. If I do it in 5th, the car is too twitchy and I spin. If I do it in 6th, the car doesn't make the corner. When I do, I'm 40 km'h _slower_ through there than either you or your student. And you know what that means for speed on the Kemmel straight. I'm not even getting into 6th gear.
I'm also finding that the edges of the performance envelope in ACC are quite sharp. The car, in any configuration, will break away with little or no warning.
since the porsche is extra sensitive towards any kind of turning, pitch, off throttle, braking - so everything basically. you want to make sure (if you havent already) that your wheel is not too sensitive. your wheel needs to turn the exact same amount as the ingame wheel. you sometimes only need 20° on this machine
The negative toe still works on PS5 and Xbox series X
The biggest problem with this car is the real steering ratio is 800 degrees,just set it to 500 and it completely transfer the car into a incredible grip machine,,everyone should try this..
no, please don't. the car has high steer ratio because it's very sensitive aerodynamically and needs small and careful inputs. engineers designed the steering that way for a reason. the only thing you are achieving is to costantly overdrive the front this way and destroy the tires
@@SimracingPopometer well it worked great for me ,when I did,it's drives better than any other car in the game for me now,This is my opinion...
I don't see a world where making a very sensitive car ultra sensitive helps unless there's something about the console version that I don't know.
my fear is you are turning too much now, which stabilizes the car, but also will wear the front tires in just a few laps
Hello Nils ! Great analise PIT there, help me a lot. What areo/ride height setings do you recomend for Porsche on Spa ? Thanks you for help 😊
that info is not free :P in the end you need to have it high enough and travel limited enough so it does not bottom out in eau rouge. at the same time you need to have it close enough to the ground so that it turns in the middle sector and not so much rake that you park on camel straight :P
@@SimracingPopometer OK i understand 🤪 anyway thank you for giving some advices ! 👏
sure thing!
Does the break pedal deadzone setting work opposite in this game?I can't get 100% breaking on my pedal..if not add say 15 percent deadzone will I get full break?
it works normal. if you can't reach 100% set a dead zone on the top end
@@SimracingPopometer I'm on Xbox series X,It doesn't have a option to change which side...I'll have to mess around with it...Thanks for making all these great videos..you are a master..
@@DKSimulationGaming ah, gotcha. haven't had a chance to look into the console game
great stuff but one request - it's confusing trying to understand what is going on in the telemetry when you have four data points (2x brake and 2x throttle) on the same graph so separating two of those out would be better IMO.
Thanks for sharing. What do you do against graining on the front tires? I try to be very gentle with the steering and have toe to only -0.05, but in a long stint the front always grains.
i dont drive the porsche :)))
more toe wears tires more (depends on the game if it simulates toe road resistance)
I'd suggest moving brake bias more rearwards or raise tires pressure, open the diff more on the coast side and locked at the power side
0:56 "It teaches you bad habits that it can't take onboard for other cars"
I'm not sure if this was mentioned in the video, but what bad habits does the Porsche teach you? Does it have to do with the way the car handles under braking?
it's the off throttle behavior that leads people to constantly control the amount of turning with the throttle rather than the steering wheel. and that's not the way throttle should be used
@@SimracingPopometer Thanks for the reply! I think I understand what you mean. The 720s is also a car that relies very heavily on "control the turning with the throttle", right?
mhm no. thats exactly what i mean with the porsche teaching bad habits. its really just the porsche. in all other cars it has an affect but you really should not do it. you're making the car slower in the end
@@SimracingPopometer Interesting, I thought the McLaren was the car that's supposed to be most known for midcorner oversteer, and while driving it I felt like I had to constantly keep brushing the throttle as I turned in. Now I know that that's not correct, thank you.
hey! great video! need to do a coaching seesion with you soon when im decent enough ;) just a quick question: so your student was doing 2:19 and what time was he doing after that session and in detail explanation what to change? sure some can use your info better than others but what about this student?
haven't tracked that, but a good estimate is that people gain about one third of the gap they had quite quickly
Thank you, very useful as always! Could you guys please let me know how I can open that "Variance" channel as Nils did at 1:54? I downloaded his workbook so I suppose it should work the same way, thank you! - a rookie...
press F3 mate :)
@@SimracingPopometer Thanks! At the end of the lap, the variance shouldn't be equal to the difference in lap times? It's not happening in the video and in my laps neither. Am I missing something?
were not looking at real world data, but games. time in computer games can be a bit of a mess. don't worry about it. the tendency counts
What i don't get is why i can barely drop to 2:19 in the Audi, but with every other car i effortlessly run 2:17s... Doesn't matter mid or front engined or even the Porsche.. Much messier laps than those with the R8 Evo (and Evo 2) but faster ones. Tried every setup i could find in addition to my best ones, but still it's just impossible to get under 2:19:5. I know the car can do it, i've seen people in the lobbies doing it, but whenever i look through the replay, the car seems to just disobey the laws of physics. Much later braking spots which when i try them, i not only overshoot the corner, but end up in the wal.. can't even slow down in the grass. Also way WAY faster speeds through the corners to the point where the motion looks almost cartoonish-like. What is going on ?
Update? Have you been able to improve
@@loganm2766 Sadly no, but not only did i not improve with the R8, after the latest patch i got even slower. Now it's almost impossible to drop under 2:20, while at the same time with the McLaren i lap 2:16s... I mean there is certainly something wrong with the R8's BOP now. It's supposed to have most mid corner rotation out of any car in the game, but for some reason, no matter what i try in the setup, it now understeers like mad. Went on to even put the diff at 300Nm and the rear still won't turn.
What i plan now is to do 2 fast laps, close enough to each other as possible and lay them out both on motec and the replays to try and find out what is actually going on.
how are you now half a year on? :D
@@SimracingPopometer still no thing is changed with the R8. With the Ferrari and the McLaren I dropped to mid to high 2:16s, but for some reason the Audi can even get close to that. Best I did was 2:18.715 on a hotlap mode, while with either the Ferrari or the McLaren during online races I have no trouble lapping consistently at low 2:17s. It is still really weird - the Audi feels faster, but is somehow slower.
@@QuantumS1ngularity Ferrari and McLaren are faster, but they are not 2s faster. Maybe 0.5s.
Can only blame setup in this instance if you are fine with other cars. Unless you are not using the 2020 version of the Audi
Damm 2:19, I’d be mega happy with that. I can’t break 2:24
always worth comparing your data to someone faster on popometer.io (if you haven't already). while you might not be able to interpret all the differences and their outcome right away, you can at least start seeing how drastic the differences are and maybe find a pattern or places where you lose most, which should give you an idea what to work on/change
A great vide. Just one question. In ac with the same car (m6) my times are 2s (2:19:1) faster than in acc (2:21:2) because my g29 pedals don,t give me any confidence because i lack a lot of sensitivity in acc, where i can, t trail brake as I do in ac. Any tips? Thanks
i just genuinely think the games aren't comparable in the way they function and so are the laptimes not really a measure of your game specific skill
das klingt so einfach bei dir 😭😂
How did you add the "variance" to compare the two laps ?
F3!
Just started ACC today, my base time on the stock setup with the Porsche on SPA is a 1:22:7.. is that a good time in this game?
I'm afraid not. it takes time to get up to speed in simracing if you're completely new. don't worry, it'll come
Hey Nils, is this porsche 911.2 having the 2020 Bop?
the Porsche bop was changed multiple times since then, so I'm not actually sure how it compares to today!
@@SimracingPopometer Got it, they might have rolled out with different version updates.
Just curious, what bad habits does the Porsche reinforce?
using throttle to limit the amount of turning
@@SimracingPopometer If I am a beginner at simracing (2:23.127 is my best at spa) would you recommend using another car to avoid bad habits, or does this quirk not matter at my skill level?
i would think it's confusing you more than it needs to. go with the Aston V8 as a total beginner is my suggestion cause that car shows expectable behavior whereas the Porsche can be a bit puzzling
@@SimracingPopometer Ill try that, thanks for your quick responses.
@@SimracingPopometer thanks for bringing this point up! I love driving the porsche but your argument brings me to the point where i will also change my car so i do not train myself in a way
I can only use with one car. But for some reason i do not like the aston... so my question would be: i am willing to put in the hours to learn a car so even difficult one would be ok because i am planning to stick with it for a while - which one would you recommend and will be worth the invest? (-> Currently i am thinking Mercedes...)
Great video, but could you now do "the difference between 2.26 and 2.17" thanx 😂
you will soon be able to check for yourself, once the new platform is live
I mean no disrespect whatsoever, I just discovered this channel, what are the credentials of the speaker?
{edit} dang that sounded bad! Sorry. I just want to know if Nils was a race engineer or simracing champ is all.
Just a experienced simracer! I won a few things here and there :)