Sweatcicle on Wrath of the Machine NOT Returning
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“We are focusing on new content, Anyways here is the dreadnought again.”
😄 riiiight?
"And here are weapons from season of arrivals...all part of the new content focus"
To be fair the stuff we are getting in the next episode has been in development for quite some time.
Shifts focus to new content, brand new boss Oryx.
Yeah. That makes sense. Roast Bungie for recycling old content for not recycling old content. This community is embarrasing
@baller302 how many times does a boss have to come back for it to be old hahahahaha
@baller302 wrath would at least be new on d2
@@jiimmyvei ur just mad baller called u out on ur bs 😂💀
@@jiimmyvei same logic applies to the Dreadnaught btw.
I am SO GLAD that the first words out Sweat's mouth were "What new content". People get shit for wanting Wrath back, partially for "You only want them to bring back old shit", but bringing back the Dreadnaught and Oryx (again btw) is totally fine?
What new content?
Destiny has been "what new content?" For awhile now. Black Armory was the last time it felt somewhat new to me, maybe season of opulence with minagire (can't spell it right)
The witness doesn't even feel right, he wasn't the darkness we all expected to fight when we heard about the dark age of humanity and the whirlwind. To me the witness felt like a wimp compared to oryx.
Why did we get the goofy ahhhh witness.
Yeah I remember the first time going through the taken King campaign and then doing Kings fall and how impressive it all was.... He did feel like a final Boss,
For me I've always felt with how strongly they went against the winnower is that they were setting themselves up for a failure and so far I've been proven right because they tried to bring back the when were as a concept and that the witness is just the first knife and all that shit, but for years they were like "it's just a metaphor guys don't look into it too much." And it kind of makes the witness even worse because it's like they realized their other plans for making games failed and now they have all their eggs in two baskets they're hoping that Marathon hits and they need destiny to come back to life so they were like "please God we have another BEG in the future."
I mean. We've known it would happen for over two years, and had hints about it for nearly a decade. I'm not saying that they don't recycle content constantly, that's been apparent since vanilla D1, but nobody paying attention should be surprised about Oryx's return to the narrative.
I never expected them to bring it back without a siva season anyway, too much work for them to recreate the siva enemy type, they didn’t even bring back original character models for the remake raids
I like how crota isn’t even transparent and bones like in d1 he’s literally just full body in d2
Exactly, they don’t even make new weapon models anymore. 100% reskins, and these clowns expect this raid.
Idk why people anticipated this raid to come back. Don’t get me wrong, would’ve been nice to have it back, but bungie has been fairly anti-Siva anything with the exception of ornaments. No subclass, no genuine return to their story, not really anything that would have suggested it
@@greenlukesky4615 I imagine one of the reasons they have such an aversion to it is rise of iron was mainly made by high Moon. Like yeah you had a bungie team that was there to keep the lights on but high Moon did a lot of work.
seasons are alot of work that gets trashed after a year, theres simply no excuse bungie can use to explain why they wont complete the collection
If bungie doesn’t have the manpower to bring back wrath, it gives me zero confidence in frontiers
Pretty sure it just means they don’t have the manpower to work on a reprised raid, while doing frontiers. Also it’s worth saying out of all the d1 raids, wrath would be the most complex undertaking because they either have to make all the siva assets from scratch (due to the beyond light engine upgrade, it wouldn’t be just a copy and paste) or completely rework it and sub the siva elements for something else like fallen or scorn which at that point wouldn’t be “faithful” and the community would cry about it
Wrath is an Ace up the sleeve for the in case of emergency break glass scenarios where they can instantly restore community sentiment when they need it most
They should break that glass ASAP then, the game is in shambles.
🤣
They are way past that point, game sucks. All they care about is micro transactions
Their advertising for Frontier’s content is suspiciously non-existent.
bro there’s still a whole other season to go through. itll show up
Same with Marathon
@@marvisaiya compare it with the marketing cycle for ANY prev release. Even delayed ones had more teasers by now...
@@Stuckin92 Im trying to cope that maybe they don't want to spoil the end of the last episode
@@marvisaiya We knew about Final Shape when Season of the Witch launched. Same with Lightfall and Plunder. The equivalent to that, for the episodes, would've been like the halfway point in Revenant, and now we're days away from Heresy with absolutely no fucking clue what the first Frontiers expansion is even CALLED, let alone looks like. Bungie is seriously behind on promoting this expansion. The latest I can EVER recall us finding out about a D2 expansion was Witch Queen, with Season of the Lost, and even that would be the equivalent of Heresy's launch.
If Bungie wants players to be excited about the next expansion, and the "next chapter" for Destiny, they're doing an absolutely horrendous job promoting it or getting people excited.
8:40 he eventually talks about how they teased Siva they did at several points at the launch of the game we knew that the colony ships had it on them. And there were several characters in The lore looking for siva and also the several attempts to get outbreak prime in order to be able to make more,
And then oh yeah the whole city in the lightfall DLC that is made of a more futuristic version of Siva. They have teased it over and over and over again for years on end just to not do anything.
They said back then - If reprised raid's exotic is already in the game we will make new one. So it was precisely about WotM
The only Siva stuff we'll ever get will be microtransactions for armour, and my stupid arse buys it every time cause I love the look of Siva armour and that
This will probably be the longest season we’ve ever had so buckle up because it is gonna definitely feel like taken king because of a massive dry spout
Dawg taken king is one of the best d2 expansions ur tweaking
@fintiniganlucille5547
You may be tweaking, they were referring to the gap of very little content between Taken King and Rise of Iron.
Only content there was the spring April update that added cosmetic items for the first time, and some other free things.
Then rise of iron came out. Now destiny has "new" content every few months. Back in the day it was a damn near year dry gap.
@@fintiniganlucille5547 It is. There was also a massive content drought following it.
On a smaller note where the hell is dregs promise. How the fuck do you bring back 2 of the 3 fallen weapons, redo both of them, bring in the scorn and NOT bring that gun back? It's not like it's a fucking niche unkown weapon like fuckin nemesis star or boolean gemini.
i’ve been thinking about this a lot lately & i assume they’ll bring it back as a ‘burst rocket assisted frame’, would be cool anyway
also chill dog Boolean Gemini is the goat
@@shotty. It was never exactly popular. It wasn't even really a cult weapon like First Curse or whatnot.
It could have even been turned into a rocket sidearm
Get this chat, Bungie DOESN'T have to code the splicer fallen, they could just inject the Dusk fallen in and plug in the rest of the raid. Sure we'd be dealing with a WoTM with half the spick and span, but at the end of the day we'd have WoTM back.
my brother in christ just load up destiny 1 if you wanna play it so badly that you would take a half assed version
@@Gabi-nq7vz Destiny 1's not on PC. We want the raid back with better graphics, frame rate, and d2 Qol changes.
"new content" yes because the dreadnaught being reskinned, and changed in SMALL ways with different route is "NEW".
Im going to hope that the new DLC thats planned for later this year makes the game feel alive again, cause jesus christ, we arent at the bottom of the barrel, weve gone through that shit and were about to hit the earths core
Damn, so after 3 expansions you think this one is gonna revitalize it?
I've got no hope for them bringing life back to the game, you gotta break away with me. Be free of their grip
@@FezTheMoose ...it's happened before, forsaken literally brought bungie from bankruptcy to getting multiple game awards that year. Whatever Apollo is, it could do something similar. Yet I doubt I doubt it. Because bu gie believes in following the same garbage content styles and thinks that giving us something as good or at least akin to forsaken is over- delivery.
@stfd_sentry6885 forsaken gets to much hype in my mind.
It was alright, what regular dlcs should have been
"New content" probably means frontier content.
Hot take: i am perfectly fine with them putting oryx as the new bad guy for the season i think its super dope and i am a bit sad wraith isnt coming back because ive never done it but honestly sweat has constantly complained about no new content but than says just because its a liked raid it should come back thats super hypocritical to touch on pvp i have 4k hours in destiny and im a pvp main i have not once encountered a cheater i think the destiny community is crying because they lost ,now sweat i think when he says there a cheater there cheaters but honestly most people just have a skill issue and blame it on that i do think the seasonal content is very bad for replayablity its just dosnt feel rewarding but the seasonal content gameplay wise has never been more fun especially this upcoming season i get the hate the (reused content) debate is so cringe butttt definitely the gun models are getting out of hand there definitely like 70% of the time a reskin. I think its getting over hated by the guys who want new stuff and want old stuff but only want particular old stuff and than when they get the new stuff they complain its not the old thing they wanted after they just said they want new content you see the cycle thats all thats happening its sad
would be amazing if instead of old d1 content and old d2 content bungie just gave us more new content. the fact that the community keeps begging for d1 stuff just goes to show how little each expansion adds to the game these days.
It's better than just getting onslaught again as a seasonal activity.
Remember when we used to only get yearly content drops and everyone was fine with that
Some ppl probably dont understand that bringing this raid back would demand so much ressources, especially for a raid that has had non of its assets implemented in D2, they would probably have to remake all of the assets with their bare hands so might as well focus on new stuff.
@@nmmid and where is the new stuff then.
They are F'ing billionaires it can't be that hard to hire some people to remaster it, at this point they are just lazy
@@FAZUELI1313 Yes, considering that they're not actually billionaires and the amount of fucking layoffs we know about, it absolutely is way harder than your addled smoothbrain can comprehend.
This is the chat community he's built for himself? Damn shame. He can't win with that.
Face it, we're getting Age of Triumph sets for VoG and KF before we get Wrath.(Never and never)
The weapons and armor alone from this raid would bring back so many people that are like On The Fringe
Focusing on new content = Marathon, because they aren't even giving us 2 dungeons next year, it's 1 raid and 1 dungeon, it's so joever.
EDIT: Wait until this shit gets ported to Destiny Rising, now that would be something.
It's not a disappointment at all is actually relief that we don't get that raid. You can sit there saying there's no new content but next Tuesday is most definitely new content.
To create WotM in D2 they would have to create Splicer fallen, and their specific crit death animation that spawns siva seekers, Vosik, the siege engine, Aksis phase 1 and 2, all the particle effects for each of the bosses siva attacks, and the entire area the raid takes place in. It's probably a bit more work than we think it would be.
AND the zamboni
Well they should’ve got started long ago then
@@any1gotchedz988 that’s so smart bro.
Yeah let’s allocate every resource for raids to a reprised one.
That’s the actually equivalent of burning money because they don’t profit from that.
Chances are we WOULDNT get a new raid if they needed to allocate all those resources.
WoTM is good but not no new raid next year good, I’m so glad d2 players cant run the game cause it would fucking suck more.
Then charge people money for it lmao, they already burn money created entire destinations for an expansion then leaving it to rot when new content could have been made in place of it. But whatever helps you cope.
They would have to put on thhe work you're saying. Right, that is something Bungie doesn't like to do. What a bunch of morons.
The reason they're able to bring back the dreadnought and not wrath is because the assets used for the dreadnought are already in the game in tons of places and is only the environments. For wrath its not just the environments but all the enemies which have different abilities and behaviors. For the 3 raids they did bring back from d1, they all had their assets reused for other content in the game like expansion and seasonal content while reusing the stuff with siva would require them to contrive a way to bring the siva fallen back even though most of the fallen stories have been finished.
There is no speculation. the pastebin 2 years ago had it saying that they looked at wrath but it had so many backend (systems, mechanics, ai) requirements that you couldnt just port it. they would have to rebuild a tpn of stuff and so said its not worth it.
which makes sense. kingsfall and vault basically have all their mechanics and systems already in d2. but none of the rise of iron content and systems ever made it into d2 because it was developed on a different branch simultanious to d2
Don’t bother, no one wants to hear it lol
@@BigHatParkerhes literally not wrong, more so bungie doesn’t even have the original models anymore after vicarious visions got shut down, so they’d need to remake every splicer model from the raid from scratch along with rebuilding the plague lands WOTM raid instances, which exists in a older much more primitive engine, and port it out for free to players.
Don’t act smart when you don’t understand the basics of “project prioritization”
@@PREGAMEDISCHARGEENJOYER You misunderstand my comment, I agree with him, I’m just telling him not to waste his breath. My b if I wasn’t clear about it
@@BigHatParker ah that’s more clear now. Sorry.
@ All good man, no worries
5:21 they mean that the splicer fallen had unique attacks and abilities. Theyd have to implement that into the game.
They say that siva won’t come back cause it doesn’t fit into the story. Yet they go and revive Oryx, a character we killed twice and prevented the revival of once yet somehow he returned (fitting that we’re getting a Star Wars collab this season oops “episode” 🤭).
I stg someone high up at Bungie is specifically lobbying against wrath and siva returning because they’re butthurt about the success of rise of iron
Edit: not to mention how does siva not fit into the story when there’s literally no story rn? Every episode has been filler content fighting and beating some bad guy in a contained side story. What difference would it have made if one of those villains wielded siva using an echo? Genuinely I cannot fathom them not wanting to put siva in the game beyond hating rise of iron cause it can’t be that hard to add siva when they literally made the dread during thr final shape delay
Wrath would do nothing but be a spectacle for a couple of weeks, truly we are all whats wrong with destiny, literally one raid that wouldn't even matter for 90% of the player base
@@user-kb6ey3dq7ctrue but at this point old content won’t help and I doubt new content would either so as it goes if they added wrath then it would round out the D1 cycle and then we could probably get raids we used to have in D2 or move on to new content because there’s nothing they could pull from and actually be creative
bUT We DeALt wITh siVa PeRManENTly!!1!
The most common argument I see, cringing every time I do. Destiny? PERMANENCE?! They can't even keep the BASIC STORY permanent let alone a villain / character death, how the fuck can siva not just make a comeback cause content??? It was atleast cool. Body horror fallen, a literal tech disease??? What's not to like! Oh is it not fantasy schmantasy enough????
@@saverofthehumens its actually ridiculous. The SIVA were actually a breath of fresh air when they came out in ROI. Instead bungo likes to focus on reviving every dead character in the game.
@@itzzsr7235 Who did they revive besides Taniks 20 times?
Johnny silverhand notifications are the coolest thing I've ever seen
Wrath isn't coming back because it would be too expensive to bring it back they'd have to charge money for it because of how many missing assets and environments they'd have to port over
I’m so mad that the one raid I was looking forward to playing the most is not coming back.
I can understand bungie not bringing it back. I think this is only time where they complain about the work being too hard and costly and I’ll believe them. That being said, I hope new content is actually new and not some repackaged strike like activities with a side of reskinned guns based on 8 year old gun models and recycled guns we already owned and are paying for again.
Destiny 1 had PEAK weapon models 90% the time. Now it's this gross junk "art" / nerf gun ahh garbage. Destiny was so goated due to the space magic high fantasy with down to earth elements like I dunno.. a shotgun that is a s h o t g u n that shoots normal pellets and doesn't look like it's made of crystallized Hive pelvises. That's where EXOTICS come in to be that weird, funky and just over the top wack blows up everything kind of wild. What I wouldn't give for an autorifle that is not the 69420th 360 or 450 in the fuckin energy slot.
Also strand and stasis were a mistake; Everything now has to be designed with their effects in mind resulting in quite trashy encounters and poor balancing.
@@saverofthehumensAny content has to be designed with any ability's effects in mind, this shit was already happening with light classes.
"Our player base is dwindling. Instead of doing something that will bring a lot of players back, let's stay the course!" -Bungie, probably
Reskin boss,reskin guns, reskin destination. Only new content goes to eververse
This always comes up on the topic of reprised raids, but Bungie has stated in the past that since D2's engine has been modernized for newer consoles & PC, they can no longer just "drag and drop" content from D1 into D2. It all has to be rebuilt. The reason they were willing to reprise Vault of Glass, King's Fall, & Crota's End was because they already had the thematic assets for those raids in the game, in their modernized D2 Tiger engine forms. Meaning almost every character model for enemies, all the textures for each section, they all have access to that stuff to easily rebuild those raids in D2. The one thing they do not have is SIVA assets. All the SIVA fallen character models and textures are not in D2, since thematically Guardians put down the SIVA threat in the story a long time a go. If Bungie wanted to reprise Wrath, it would be 100% from scratch. It would require the entire team to focus all of their energy on rebuilding it, and Bungie has also previously stated that if the choice is between reprising old content or creating new content, they will always choose new. That choice hinges on whether or not they have a "head start" on recreating old content with the assets that are already in the game now. If there are assets in the game currently that can be repurposed into old content for nostalgia's sake, then sure. If the assets(like SIVA) are not currently in the game, and it would require rebuilding them from scratch, then they believe their energies would be better spent on new content.
I guess I can understand their decision not to bring it back (like for all the SIVA coding they'll never use anywhere else) but a little piece of me still wants to see it :(
Is this surprising? I mean it's a shame, means I'll probably never get to play the raid, but I never thought they'd do it, they're not going to remake a whole faction for one activity. If they were going to invest time into legacy content, I'd prefer if they tipped up the Destiny Content Vault.
I'm not surprised, just disappointed.
more people crying in the comments rather than just uninstalling the game they hate so much.
I’ll never understand why Bungie wouldn’t want to bring back arguably the most popular raid from D2
Not bringing this raid back for frontiers is a crazy decision. One raid and one dungeon for an entire year will kill this game once and for all. I’m all for it. Bungie have gotten far too many chances
Seems like the coders who made wrath and siva are all gone. They would have to figure it out or code from scratch.
lol that’s definitely how it works.
You sound like someone who has no idea how development works.
Do you understand how anything works?
What is bro waffling about
Did people really think WotM would come back? They’d have to make all of the assets and enemies from scratch. Every other raid has had all of the assets completely done and in the game beforehand.
There's a difference between new content containing the same characters, compared to old raids being used as new content, what are you talking about, the witness has been a thing for years does that mean every peice of content that has the witness featuring in it isn't new content? Oryx is a character not content
That's like saying the rocky films weren't new when they came out because Rocky is the protagonist in every movie
Hell we knew he'd be returning as of Witch Queen. And his death's finality was always in question if you paid any attention to the lore even in D1, but people will still screech for a SIVA subclass despite that case being cut and dry.
"Shifts focus on new content" aka: the same reskin and reissued loot 😂😂
listen the past 2 episodes have been ass but you cant argue this when youre begging for a literal reissue of a raid and its loot
They have the power to do it, but they just choose not to. They updated all of the raids to match difficulty and aesthetics. Plus they’re literally bringing old content back with new content inside of it. Either they never do it, release it way later than we want, or it gets put behind a dungeon key or paywall
To the people constantly commenting that players are "complaining too much", PLEASE learn to distinguish between a critique and a complaint. When people are offering possible solutions or just voicing an opinion, that is not simply "complaining"; what you're doing IS. Complaining about other people voicing an opinion on a game that THEY PAYED FOR makes YOU the real "cancer" on the community. Like there are literally people in THIS comment section saying that players need to just "stop complaining and uninstall", like mf, YOU are commenting on a game that you don't even seem to not play/care about anymore; so maybe YOU need to stop complaining.
8:24 how do you not understand? The line "requirement of unique assets like the siva infused fallen" means that the current story line doesnt mix with what they have planned and the dreadnought does, to bring back wrath of the machine they would need another team focused on the siva infused fallen story and mould it together with the current storyline, which they then basically said they dont have the time or resource to pull that off due to the layoffs..
Very simple, this sounds like hating just to hate
The thing about assets has nothing to do with story, but SIVA has unique enemy models and environment assets that don't exist in D2, which means it's more work than the other reprised raids that just use generic vex/hive/taken assets.
It's easy to hate because the game and community is in about as terrible state as they were in leading up to Forsaken, but it's a completely reasonable issue for Bungie. Any work that needs to be put into asset creation for WotM is an equivalent amount of work that doesn't go into their two new expansions.
Fuck Bungie tho. The incompetent fucks over there have wasted the potential of this game by pissing all of their limited ability to produce new content away with temporary content leaving the game feeling like it has barely evolved since Forsaken.
Because the dreadnought should have been back a long time ago brother/sister
It should have been a area you could explore since launch, given it was a big part of the first game.
Besides, the story telling doesn't even match the style of destiny 1s.
We killed Oryx for good, and by good I'd they use the light to bring him back this game will be even more ass.
Oryx better return was ORYX, because to resurrect him is heresy against his law.
@JTT905 because they would have to re introduce a story that blends with the current to be able to add the siva content that they would need to use time and resource on? You've literally just contradicted yourself
@@FezTheMoose Oryx is as dead as when he final death'd his sisters. We've known about potential for his return for almost a decade bro, and had confirmation of it two expansions ago.
Part of me still doesn't understand how we haven't gotten a vidoc yet for the first Frontiers expansion. We're what, 4 months out from its launch? And we have NOTHING. By this point, we had already gotten plenty for Final Shape, Lightfall, Witch Queen... honestly, I can't remember the last time we knew THIS little about the next expansion this close to launch. And I think that's really hurting Bungie. How, exactly, is the community supposed to get excited or look forward to the "next chapter" when we have seen absolutely fuck all about it? IMO, a huge reason why the community feels so lost and directionless is because Bungie is doing NOTHING to get us excited or even informed about the next expansion, and they're bleeding players as a result.
Talking about SIVA at 8:55 ….. it just blows my mind they cut it out of the D2 story the way they did. I get D1 needed a reboot (according to bungo), but when they rebooted D2 so close to launch, they decided to cut siva. I remember some of the first reveal content… I forget the name of the strike from the base game… but it’s flavor text even talked about siva being a problem. It was the one nessus strike with the space shuttle I think. But still… I wonder what D2’s landscape would’ve been like if they never rebooted D2 and they kept siva as part of the story. Would we still have splicer fallen? Would it have created new hive/cabal/etc enemy variants? We could literally come up with so many crazy amazing things if bungo just kept D2 as is from the beginning and continued the D1 stories instead of the “soft reboot” they did.
Shifts to new content, doesn’t realize that the “new content” is just reskinned crap we’ve been doing for years
Bro what focusing on new content??? we haven’t gotten anything new since fucking who knows how long
Guys! Its new content to the newly hired developers that have filled the void from the ones who were "let go"
The people wanting the raid back either will farm the hell out of it for a week and never touch it because nostalgia-bait, or complain that LFG is their downfall. Bungie cannot win either way lmao
Bungie: Instead of remastering D1 for current gen/PC to keep that content relevant, and/or making D3 to ensure content will remain permanent and replayable, we're going to carve out D2 specific content, remove 26 seasons worth of content, then thread in D1 content to make it particularly redundant. Eyes up, Guardians!
Playerbase: Oh okay, you're setting a precedent for bringing in D1 content, awesome, are you bringing back Wrath of the Machine too? We love that raid.
Bungie: No.
so that siva emblem from the fireteam finder reveal was just a custom dev thing?
New content would be nice instead of reskining weapons, reskining destination that we can't even fully explore, the new content is gonna be marathon. D2 deadgame
The only reason they choose not to bring back wotm is because that raid was not meant to be to begin with it was a last min project just thrown in to add content and nothing more but I'm sad it not coming I love that raid but I also understand there decision
"We know reprised raids are popular, so we wont be doing that."
"Cope and seethe jack"
They probably have to remake the whole new siva assets for Destiny 2 .
They love recycling and using old content besides the one players ACTUALLY WANT…
I assumed they cant because they didn't have sole ownership of the rise of iron (they had help from another studio with activison, am i wrong?)
High Moon studios, but I doubt that's the issue so much as porting that in is tantamount to setting cash on fire for a month of goodwill.
I think the most annoying part about this is that they brought back crota and not Wrath of the machine. And I would have much rather have had Wrath of the machine than crota
Bungie REFUSE to acknowledge rise of iron, as it was one of the last expansions activision had a massive say in and people prefer it than most D2 expansions theyre just salty
He complained about returning content in the new episode yet wants wrath back 🤦♂️
My brother in Christ. You do understand the difference right? The headline is "focusing on new content." The content in question that we are currently seeing? Reissued old content,
And added on to that the one thing that people have been asking for forever I remember being in Leviathan at the start of destiny 2 and people saying this. "Man I really wish we get to see more Siva and maybe that the old raids come back so I can play wrath of machines here" and time went on and the lore kept pointing to Siva, (literally look it up because I know no One believes anything on the internet but you know the Lore Daddy go watch a video.) people have been wanting that raid forever people have been wanting Siva to come back, and they keep just turning their nose up at it. But yet they bring back oryx again? They brought back the scorn again and the stupid character that no one cared about at all even in forsaken. But they didn't bring back the one thing people have been like "it's a free win Bungie we all want this we've been asking for it for 7 years now and we've been asking for it every day since you announced we're bringing back raids." There is a difference,
And there's also a difference in message DMG has fucked up a lot more recently than he has in the past because his one word response that was really stupid and he's put his foot in his mouth several times saying "oh yeah we're focusing on new content while we're bringing back old things not really changing them up." Makes about as much sense as jacking off with barbed wire.
@lostnemesis while I understand your point, I have only pointed out hypocrisy
If they drop WotM like 2-3 weeks before the big change/armor reset thing they’re planning, it’d get me back into the game long enough to actually see the new content/changes
8:24 onward is peak r/DestinyTheGame manifested. Get a job bro goddamn
@@baller302 I love sweats content but oh my fucking god he has absolutely 0 clue how the hell “project prioritization” works, the shit he spews makes him sound like an absolute ding bat 😭
i dont get why people are shocked about wrath. bungie has said before more then once they dont want to bring back siva and wrath is the siv raid so until they do another siva related story wrath wont ever get a remake. which honestly im happy with cause fuck that raid
I gave up holding out hope for SIVA to come back, I have had 2-3 write ups over time on possible ways to bring SIVA back in an episode/season but this news was just a kick in the face. Especially with the dreadnaught being the next "new" content and them spending "valuable resources" to remaster the largest patrol area in D1 and extend the mausoleum to have an extra bit for a boss fight but can't do a few re-done fallen and a raid area.
Spending resources on bringing back an old raid instead of keeping those resources invested in the next raid wouldn't be good anyways. What's the point of having Wrath when people will just say it's old content and therefore is bad, when they could put more effort into making the next raid a banger.
new content: salvation onslaught, tomb of elders and kell's fall
It should come to D2 before they start unvaulting old D2 raids, if they ever do that too.
just seems like if it is hard work they dont want to do it at this point
Wrath was the most desired raid to come back, but bungie in its ignorance said kings fall was the fan's favorite and most desired raid ever. Lol so out of touch
"Sweats confirms his wrath of the not returning wrath of the machine raid and shift focus to New content like warframe"
So they can't bring back WotM because of unique SIVA assets (like splicer fallen) that would require manpower & time.. but we get seasonal or sorry, "episodic" content that consists of unique assets of factions such as Revenant's Scorn or Echoes' Vex, ontop of them bringing back the Dreadnaught which will also most likely have uniquely designed factions of the Hive or Taken. I smell bullshit
I'm gonna keep this simple, bungie does NOT want to deal with SIVA in ANY way anymore. People been asking for it over the years and bungie does not want to deal with it.
honestly I don’t either, never cared for anything SIVA in either game except for Outbreak (with a non SIVA ornament). I think people forget how mids WotM really was as a raid, besides being fun. It was like a fucking 6 man strike
I put this comment in a reply but I figure I will put it here as well it's my thoughts on why they could bring back wrath of the machines if they wanted to. (You can hit read more and skip this section and go to my actual thoughts if you want to) because at this point they pretty much have everything they need they can't use the excuse that they had a few years ago which is they don't have the tendency for the enemies they have the dread type in to me that spawns a projectile when they die if you kill them in a certain way. So that's no longer an excuse, destiny 2 so they don't have the excuse of "oh we would have to make assets for it" and I had it in another comment not the one I'm about to put here they have a workaround for the Zamboni just say Siva is puppeting their corpses and we're going back to the raid location so you don't have to do the Zamboni if you don't want to,
They do have an aversion to see the personally I believe that's because high Moon had a big part in making it in the first place, so it's not their baby and they don't want to have any claim on it. The problem therein lies the fact that the lore team did not get that message, like the fact that the colony ships had Siva on them, and then the whole location from the lightfall DLC Neo "I don't care for the rest of it" Muna is quite literally made of Siva and the fact that they keep bringing it back 😂 the Lore team effing loves it,
And when you get into the game play stuff most of it they don't have to remake. And what I mean by that is you have the dread type enemy which now has a projectile that can come out when the enemy is dead all you need to change is how it looks which should be easy even though the tiger engine of old from what I know is a piece of you know what that they did not put proper.... Crash reports? Warnings in? Bungie doesn't know how to make good engines is pretty much what I'm getting at, (so I assume the engine they use for destiny isn't a whole lot better) but they already have big fallen and they have a template to make the enemies from The raid. They shown they have the ability to do that for the Kell of the house of wolves, they could do it for the bosses from wrath of the machine,
The only sticking point they would have would be the particle effects but the thing of it is at this point they've made enough particle effects in the game already that all they would need to do if they were lazy is just change a color change a size and there you go, because location wise they pretty much have already made every asset that was in that raid, the only thing that isn't in the game that was from that raid to my knowledge is the Zamboni. I wasn't around for all the seasons I left after shadowkeep got back before lightfall but I was a day one D1 guy,
Generally speaking I think they could do it and I think they should and I will give you my reasons, they are not in a place where they can turn down free Goodwill and community support. Because no matter what you think about the amount of resources it would take in order to bring back the raid which if they manage their team as well (which they don't it) wouldn't take that much because yet again they have all the assets except the Zamboni which was slapped together from other assets in the game, it's a free win in a time where they seemingly have been trying to set a loss record maybe they're going for the Detroit Pistons record I don't know, They could also be trying to give the Cleveland browns and Detroit Lions some company. _For me_ I look at this as a free win and they probably do to they just don't want to do it right now, because we know their design philosophy from back in the day when they floundered with curse of Osiris and the launch of destiny 2 in general they immediately shifted from "let's be as greedy" as possible to "let's make the game fun and take out as much monetization as we can." Which what I just wrote is to paraphrase their GDC talk, so they know what they need to do they need to win people back and wrath of the machines is a really easy way to do that it's visually appealing it's a shorter raid and people have been asking for it since 2017. And their lore team has constantly tease people and fondled those lovely bits of all the people who play the game for years who've been wanting that Raid to come back.
*I think that's all I have to say.*
what blows my mind is how bungie every once and a while has to come out to say wrath isn’t coming back yet the community still hypes it up and pretends it is? like what are you doing? year after year with this shit
Don't know why Bungie hates Wrath as much as Sony hates Bloodborne
Put these foolish ambitions to rest, we ain’t getting WOTM, pack it up.
They'd have to make a new exotic, enemy types and location since they can't bring it over from D1. Besides, you guys hear that Overdelivery is something Bungies allergic to? Much like their allergy to fucking money.
we just need to accept that siva will not comeback ever
i understand its difficult to make and create new shit but bro you can bring back the dreadnought which realistically you have to bring it back in its entirety then also re work it as a whole to create a whole new area and you telling me you cant bring back 1 raid not even the destination just the raid is beyond me bro bungie what is going on man
That's what they said about ice breaker 😂
It doesn't help that we got crota, one of the worst raids in destiny instead of wrath
Even with the people I would hang out with back in the day with crota's end we could get that done in 30 minutes or less even if half the team was high and incoherent. At least they made that rain harder that's the one thing they can say but yeah people still want wrath of the machines that is the fan favorite.
Wrath wasnt even that good though I aint gonna lie yall are living off the memories. The amount of work that would have to go into modeling and remaking the entire raid and the enemy mechanics is far too long for far too little ( The Dreadnaught uses basic textures from the existing hive geometry and also the fucking Kings fall raid so it was far easier for them to recreate the dreadnaught since they only gotta copy and paste from stuff they worked on while they had the man power and money. Also balancing would be so shit the amount of aoe dmg/lingering tick dmg is far too much and it would suck ass to design it would feel entirely different (some could see this as good, Lots will be upset it feels nothing like D1) . Especially when we all know people are gonna bubble sword/Cluster Rocket the shit out of the guy. Its not gonna be fun or enjoyable. It would basically be a free clear/farm/give me raid. The weapons and armor are sick and would be awesome to get but like they would feel so different in destiny 2 they wouldn't be the same. The new stuff he mentioned is probably the new raid coming and the next Pantheon thing alongside the dlc. wouldn't be surprised if the next dlc is basic and kinda ass though honestly. I dont think the hole gimmick of walk around and talk to everyone to do the story in any order thing is gonna be received well. Especially when its just gonna come down to on each new little sub area has a story quest, go do them in any order. Unless the place is massive, has actual good reasons to be there and stay there then its just gonna exist for a month or two then no ones gonna go there. Who even goes to the pale heart that place looks great but it fucking sucks ass. Half the areas are transition areas and are completely useless. Theres like 3 maybe 4 areas that your confined to with actual shit going on. The events there kinda blow ass and arent very enjoyable or engaging. Literally fell asleep while farming it once thats how fucking boring it is. We need areas and things like the plague lands in rise of Iron, There was a forge/event thing to farm that gave you stuff you actually needed/wanted and it kept you going there for a bit at least. I will say most of the area blew ass but there was the activity and it was cool. Just gotta put this out here too, stikes blow ass they have since the beginning of d2 some where cool most suck shit. Gms were cool at first, now I dont touch them because I dont want care or have to and they blow ass. Battle grounds I never liked honestly. Maybe the moon/Europa or mars or whatever it was ones were a little cool. Dungeons are cool. Raids are cool, only thing is half of them are old asf and half of them blow ass. The Game is so old make new shit. Make destiny 3 and make us start fresh, in a new system/universe/timeline/dimension or something. Have us fall into some vex portal that causes us to go into a new universe/timeline where most of our enemies are our allies and we're the only good guardian or something. Twist the shit out of it to be more fantasy horror space stuff like the hive because its how they work and write the best. I say all this but will still play it till they shut the game down.
This may sound like cope, but I don't believe them because they adamantly said the same thing about Crota's End and now what raid do we have featuring the son of Oryx?
Its new content! It's new to the remaining team cause they weren't there at the launch of TTK release.
Honestly ppl that want d1 content on d2 are the one literally killing d2
Can you imagine the boom in player population that would take place if they brought it back?
It would last a month if we're being generous
Salvations Edge, Vespers, episodes, exotic quests?
Are they not new content?
Perhaps the negativity you spout needs to be shut off in my stream?
I DO WANT WRATH! Only raid not done in this game.
Yet, there is new content so go about it in a better way!
The core of the game is old and stale. "New" content is recycled temporary disposable slop. The onboarding for new players is terrible, and if they want to make sense of the story, they have to watch a ten hour video open youtube because what is in game makes no f****** sense otherwise.
Right so what are they bringing back instead?
They don’t give a fuck lol. They’re using chat gpt for the changes they make to the game.
Holly shit I haven’t watched a video of his in like 2 maybe 3 years when did he go through puberty 😂
This is great. Because I hated that raid. About time we're not getting d1 content.
D1 died the day d2 was made. I'm excited for next week because it's all brand new content
I’m still confused on if he actually likes the game or not. I don’t know why he doesn’t drop it completely. Literally says he plays it for videos and that’s it. Pretty sad honestly
Sold off to netease along with SIVA and SRL