Enough. Literally every video about this topic I see the same strawman. How about you talk about gameplay instead of repeating the same thing. You literally brought nothing of value yet you're the top comment somehow.
Yep. I’m not even watching this one. IDOM is fun to watch play but he is one of the biggest whiners I’ve seen. Does it correlate with his lack of success in this game?
Man, the FGC is so predictable sometimes. I can't wait for the "Why SF6 is better than SF7" discourse. The Street Fighter cycle is to hate the game you play and then praise it once the new one comes out.
That's because people are always comparing the final season of the previous game that got years of polishing with the early stages of the new game that is still figuring itself out.
The mere suggestion of SFV being better than SF6 just tells you how tremendously short peoples memories are.......like seriously man. SFV was utter TRASH at launch. It didn't get good until really the third season and towards the end of its life. Even then, SFV was not better than SFIV, you can pick literally any version. SF6 is not perfect, but we have to remember that the game is very early on in its lifespan. If we are comparing where SFV was after its launch and its first full season, and where SF6 is right now, it's not even night and day's difference, the two games are planets apart from each other. SF6 is in much much better shape comparatively timeframe for timeframe. The FGC are just impossible to please, there was literally hate mail EVERYWHERE for SFV and now all of a sudden it's a sentimental legendary edition of the series that never was. Smh 🙄
Completely agreed. I only decided to hop onto V at the end of its life because the amount of shit talk about it turned me away. I enjoyed it for the time I played, but 6 is just infinitely more polished, interesting, and fun. Plus the potential for it to get even better is massive.
I do like the fact you get fightercoins for playing ranked. Something to reward the time you put into the game unlike 6. There is little to no incentive to play 6. Like maybe give some drive tickets when you play? Idk something, a new color for hitting a new rank. Fucking anything.
Exactly why the FGC is cooked. Literally complain about every game and say it’s garbage. Street fighter 5 was slandered mercilessly. Sweep into V trigger robberies all day . People were getting robbed left and right . Heck iDom was running people over with peek Laura before she was nerfed .
Stuff like this is why I give full props to Harada saying "Don't ask me for shit" Because honestly, a lot of the FGC either don't know what they want or are too much of a coward to say what they really want At least Menard more or less admitted he sucks against drive rush😂
No it's cooked because people like you don't want people to voice their opinion about a garbage product. You want people to keep eating garbage with a smile on their face 😂
@@DontTipMe when did I say I don’t want people to voice they’re opinion ? Lol. I’m saying peoples opinions change with the wind in the fgc and are filled with revisionist history. Also street fighter 5 was truly a garbage product from a quality standpoint. Terrible netcode , literally input delay , awkward graphic decisions and zero single player content . And that’s without even getting into how broken it was on release in terms of the fighting system . Street fighter 6 is superior on a technical and content level in every way. Now in terms of the fighting game system that will always be subjective . And if people think sf5 is better systems that’s fine but that was not the mindset when the game was out . People were constantly complaining about that game whether it was sweep into v trigger , the v triggers themselves . How there was no sauce in the game and how common robbery was. I want people to actually think about their opinions and try to have consistent lines of thought before they just blurt out nonsense.
@@melohopkins5480 No one said SFV was the peak of fighting games. They're both garbage as competitive fighting games, it's just that SF6 managed to be somehow worst than SFV so people are comparing it to what its closest to. Yes, there is some recency bias in some of their points but don't act like they're saying that SFV was the GOAT. Idom specifically said SFV was trash until season 3.
I don’t have a problem with either at the end of the day don’t get hit but one of those things happened maybe one time a round and one of them happens potentially many times in a round. Both of them can be baited and punished.
Who was doing sweep vtrigger end of sfv? Oh you still wanna keep bringing up season 1? Cr. Mk dr is bad for so many reasons. Not everyone can do it. It’s not the easiest whiff punish. Insane corner carry for most who can do it. Leads to guessing and throw loops in the corner. But sure, keep acting like when people say they don’t like cr. Mk dr it’s comparable to sweep v trigger.
@@Digital.midoriim convinced anyone crying about vtriggers compared to drive guage are just huge scrubs who use cr. Mk dr and raw DR/PP as crutches. Like half of the top tiers didnt even want to use the v meter for anything other than v reversals and vshifts.
Horrible comparison sweep v-trigger is something you got once a round where as in 6 you can do like 5 to 6 cr m drive rush per round. The reward on hit for sweep v-trigger is a knock down for little damage and cr mk drive rush especially on characters like Ken lead to losing like 30% of your health minimum plus insane corner carry into a throw loop
Ngl the SF community contradicts themselves so much lol. Just say you want your character in the game and that’s it because they actually all love street fighter 6. None of them can make valid points to say why five is better than six ESPECIALLY FROM A ENJOYMENT ASPECT. Mfs literally play the same top five characters all based off how good their V triggers are. It’s honestly like you have to live or die by the V trigger and beyond the trigger. Your characters tool set would determine if their ass or not. Like I’m just personally not going to fall into the trope that the SF community is trying to pull with calling a game that they’ve hated for over 10 years seriously try to turn around and say….. It’s better than six. Like people can’t have their cake and eat it too. Also ngl people gotta stop taking what the pros are saying like idom who’s been complaining about manon whether he wants to admit missing Laura or not is simply coping, but even that small aspect doesn’t validate SF5 being better than SF6, even if they want to go and nitpick every little detail
i mean just say that you started playing SF with 6 bro it's all good. people are free to like it but it's pretty clear why it's an ass game for competitors, and it's not about the characters lol the mechanics are oppressive, especially DR, it's literally the first thing i noticed about the game. i think people that started with 6 are of course going to like it (maybe people that got good with 6 can be grouped in there). but i think it's pretty wack as far as street fighter games go, especially comparing it to the previous titles. really not much SF DNA in this game.
I mean I can say what I like about 5. V trigger and vskill were more fun and added lots of variety. I prefer have pressure works in V. I prefer the normal priority system in 5. I liked how the global mechanics in V are not extremely over bearing. The roster in v even comparing season 2 SFV to Sf6 is better imo. Music in V was vastly better. Ranked system was way better in V. Things I prefer in 6 is basically graphics and netcode. I also think 6 is more balanced.
@@kc_graves6248I don't know about that because even something like the drive rush can mainly be used 2 or 3 times in a row until burnout happens while also leaving the opponent vulnerable to attack which shows that it is a move that is best to be used in certain circumstances but still having variety in the moveset. The drive impacts are similar to the focus attacks from Street Fighter 4 while still having an obvious weakness of three attacks or throws but many of the drive mechanics have to be used sparingly because you can use them for offense or defense but going into burnout can make you vulnerable.
I actually tried it a couple months ago and it is fucking insane we put up with the old cfn. Even ignoring the fact I think it's a dog shit game the online was insanely busted
I remember people praising Third Strike and complaining about how SF4 didn't have real neutral due to the focus attack. Then suddenly, during SF5, SF4 was the pinnacle of neutral, and V Triggers were dumb. Now V Triggers are great, and the Drive System sucks. Street Fighter fans, man.
Some would say that Third Strike doesn't have real footsies because of parrying. Just had to throw that in there since Third Strike fans can be a bit pretentious in thinking that their game is the one flawlessly great Street Fighter. The game was a commercial flop that nearly killed the series but its legacy was saved by Evo moment #37. SF5 really was kind of boring to watch though. And what SF6 lacks are the personalities, rivalries, and unsanitized FGC content of the SF4 era. I'm glad I got to experience that '09 to 2015 era during which SF4 ushered in not only a resurgence of Street Fighter, but of fighting games in general. SF5 and its contemporaries just failed to recapture that magic.
@@megavolt67I still think that SF4 is the best Street Fighter game and its last version: Ultra is just one balance patch away from being great… Wish that SF4 survives till SF5 is fully ready to be released. Damn! SFV launch was a disaster. 😂
I genuinely feel like I enjoy SFV more specifically because each character feels distinctly different instead of picking a character and figuring out when and how to drive rush and that's essentially half of the learning curve for each character. Whereas in 5 I felt like I was changing how I play drastically from character to character and 6 has very little of that imo.
I hear this take a lot and it’s kinda lame imo. Yeah you learn why to drive rush on each character, but how is that a bad thing? It’s the same as learning when to poke with a characters, it’s part of how you play them. It being a universal mechanic doesn’t really change that
@@willkershisnik5893SF6 is a lazy game the developers didn’t really cared for the game compared to SFV. SFV felt like a real street fighter game and had unique ways of playing. SF6 is 85% drive system. SFV is a wayy better game and will continue to be. Can’t fix Sf6
I can agree with you on the learning the Drive Rush mechanic, but that’s it. I love the balance of the characters in 6 and how they differ in terms of learning them.
Yeah that’s just not true man. There are characters that abuse drive rush (Juri, Dee Jay) but there’s plenty that don’t as well. I’m a 1550-1600 Chun player and I hard,y ever use DR much outside of oki and stuff. Playing/watching Chun is also completely different than when I’m playing Kim, they are nothing alike. Characters are only more unique in V if you compare the end roster to SF6’s roster, which isn’t fair at all. V’s roster was just as stale as 6 in the beginning and they only started to spice stuff up later down the road.
You don’t like character uniqueness and a game without universal mechanics? Every Vtrigger and Vskill different. Parry was unique to characters. Nobody had the same neutral skip tool. 40+ characters all doing their own thing, that’s a garbage game? Brazy
@@burgercheezes that shit hot ass. This ain't soul caliber I'd rather not have my moves and combos limited by how much I get hit. Game played like ass too with default buffers
All these players came up in sfv are of course going to say 6 isn’t as good. Idoms fault for picking an unstable character of course he thinks it isn’t as good.
Game design, game staying power, enjoyability for both the spectator and the player, game product, and art direction and graphic, all GO TO SF6. Game mechanic and roster go to SFV
Can’t compare a finished product to a wip. I don’t think ppl truly hate sf6 but the lack of content. Yea the meta is getting stale as of now and yes 4 characters a year with little to no content for said characters does absolutely suck.
SF5 still is a fun game. Some of those characters were the most fun they've ever been in 5, and even if they return in 6, they probably won't play the same.
At the end of the game, SFV had such a wide cast with interesting V system options to choose on the character select screen that I think it is more fun that SF6. But that is because of the familiarity and ability to experiment with a choice you’ve never seen before, 6 is more well constructed, but is also more limited
I actually agree. Throws are mind-numbingly common now, and not flashy in the slightest. Every single round someone is almost certainly going to get thrown, and that always leads into the exact same situation. On the other hand, Phoenix is a character that demands a change in strategy in both players to play around her comeback potential. She's powerful in her own way, but in Marvel one mistake can shut down a whole team. That's a lot more fun and exciting compared to knowing you're bound to see the same old strike throw cutscene shit, every time you play the game
These comments are tiring. Maybe some people actual think the older games are better than the newer ones sometimes…even if they had problems at the time with the direction of that game compared to that game’s predecessor. Time is a straight line not a circle… Some things I prefer about SFV is even though it was ugly as sin Ryu didn’t have sickly green skin like he does now, Ken was ugly as shit but somehow looks worse this time around, v trigger had to be built you didn’t just have it at the start of the round, there was way less low forward spam and only strong players could get reward off of it, and the game wasn’t as colorful as a 2025 SpongeBob episode with the saturation turned all the way up, not to mention the costumes and what I think is better visual clarity and feel (not a huge issue to me but SF6 feels very floaty, almost like the characters are hollow. Not a deal breaker but something I feel and do not like. The hitstop feels this way too)…just my opinion… I’m primarily a melee player (13 years) and there are 100% valid, material critiques you can make on every title since melee. The community felt so strongly about the critiques that they stuck with the original game. The new games did not deliver on what made melee so great. It’s a real thing that happens lol. It’s not that complicated to understand or see if you are ACTUALLY in a scene & not just someone who partakes in discourse about games they don’t actually play and just repeats what RUclipsrs say telling you to be positive. When you play a game for 4-10 years you get sick of it and are deeply aware of its flaws. You hope the new title addresses them and improves on the formula. But these devs keep instead making big changes towards new directions. It’s not like people are getting what they have asked for then going “this sucks, new game bad”. Toxic negativity is toxic and toxic positivity is toxic. Just be honest and everyone wins. We can have better discourse and maybe better games if people stop acting like bots whenever people have an opinion EDIT: And even though melee is “my game” I have critiques of it. The sequels certainly did not address them lol they just went in a different direction and sometimes that happens and sometimes things get lost when devs do that….and sometimes players prefer that that wasn’t the case Not complicated. And in my own experience I found SFV’s CPT more fun to watch than SF6’s. I wish that wasn’t the case, I don’t hate this game, I just don’t get excited to spectate it. I don’t even have a horse in the race so that’s worth something. It might just be the amount of DR and system mechanic (along with the visuals which I really do not care for at all) in each match that I feel is overpowering other elements of the game. Idk
Things I personally find better in SF5 than SF6: - OST - Lots of Costumes - Lots of mods - Female muscles (more prominent in all ladies, not concentrate in only one big girl). - Better Frame Traps (If you like to pressure your opponent all day and don't get upset when you are receiving the pressure). - Chun Li. I personally like her moveset a lot more in 5. (Edit) - Attack Animations are also better in SF5. Juri and Chun are fine examples of that. Their moves are beautiful in 5. 6 is a bit... Strange. All that said, SF5 was “I Got My Round Stolen” - The Game. V-Trigger system was a mess. Also, bad hair, weird faces, big hands and feet, and dumb Abigail are somethings I don't miss at all.
One day the FGC will be freed from the clutches of comparing the last iteration of a game to the first iteration of the next one, but clearly that day is not today
Pft hahahahaha it's, in your opinion, better because you're struggling in this one. Both games are trash compared to Third Strike and SF4. SF5 almost killed SF's side of the FGC. I'm shocked at how few people truly understand why and what's at the base of the issues. SF5 and SF6 are both inferior because they MASSIVELY lowered the ceiling... By 300 PERCENT! It's shocking how ignorant the average tournament player is about game design. Street Fighter NEEDS one frame links. The games need more ways to be great at them. ALL of the FGC's most hype, non-drama moments are related to execution difficulty. ALL. OF. THEM. Full Stop. Evo moment 37, the most famous FGC moment, was so hard Justin Wong didn't even know you could do it. Without a high execution ceiling, there's really only one way to be great at SF... To have great reaction speed. You can't train reaction speed very much. So if you have an intrinsically average or low reaction speed, say, 250ms or slower, you will never win a major. No matter what. But if you could get max damage, knew all the character specific, super hard combos, it could make up for the deficiency. How do these dummies not understand this? I guess that's why they're playing video games instead of getting their PhD in physics and especially game design lol.
Nah I feel what idom said bout the drive meter. It feels like there is so much to look out for with just the universal mechanics and then pair them with certain characters who have hard to deal w/ specials and supers like Rashid lv 2. It’s a lot to deal with and the drive meter gain is a little op compared to the things that drain your opponents’ drive gauge. I think sf4 did better at combo expression by utilizing execution as the means to do longer more damaging combos. In sf6 as long as you can maintain your drive gauge more so than your opponent, you can spam the unga shit over and over more so than what past titles have allowed. It’s not bad, sf6, it just feels like some characters are playing the game while others are in a different franchise.
Street Fighter 5 is the first game I could remember ever RETURNING. The closest I came to picking it back up was the G reveal and Smug's "Smug falls in love with G" made me wanna play, but I settled for watching
This is insane, people complained endlessly about SFV, and many people had some good points. But it's really just exposed human nature to me and that I should just take the complaints with a grain of salt.
After years of enduring people saying "SFV is garbage" to now hear these same people say "SFV is a better game than SF6" does nothing but confirm that SF fans have short-term memory loss
Its actually quite insane to watch people complaining about SF6. I go to chinese FGC and nobody talks about 5, literally nobody. Audience there celebrated SF6 is not a snooze fest like SF5, they praised the drive system, praised the graphics, hell even praised character balance (except Jamie, who is "too" strong to win tournaments).
even comparing end-of-life SFV to season 2 of sf6, competitive SF6 feels way better and has much more thoughtful engagements in a match than SFV. Only thing SFV has is the roster and skins.
Dude that’s a terrible idea though. The game works on a strike throw basis, if the throw option is useless and resets you to neutral then people have no effort to put in on defense
People who want throw loops gone should try out Honda and Chun li and see what the game would feel like without them. It makes the corner feel way less scary and makes maintaining momentum way harder cause you can just be blocked out a lot of times
I main Chun and idc about not having a throw loop. I still grab people a lot in the corner cause people are afraid of getting shimmied, and the mental stack is so high that people aren’t always going to be ready for it when you do decide to go for throws. Throw in meaties, safe jumps, and tick throws, people will still crumble in the corner.
@ yeah but what I’m saying is that your corner pressure is inherently weaker because without a throw loop blocking is a way stronger option. I also play chun and her blockstrings aren’t that long. If someone just blocks in the corner they have a good chance of waiting out your pressure. Sure you can still throw where you would frame trap, but that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is because there is less threat of throw (less spots to do it and can’t do it on wake up) the pressure from those two characters is a lot worse in the corner. Also on top of that, say you do throw where you can frame trap, now what? You get very little to follow up with as oki even though you’re in the corner, it just isn’t great.
Throws exists in lower levels, but those players also feel a little bad when winning that way IMO. I get why you would want to in a tournament setting, but no one wants to actually play that way even if it means losing a few matches
V trigger is the worst mechanic. If you delete V trigger SFV would be the better game. And SF6 would be a better game if you delete the whole drive system along with perfect parry.
Vtrigger od. Every character gets the opportunity to go super saiyan once a round. Bait it out. Don’t get hit. Characters getting stronger is fun and had their own uniqueness.
Dbfz made sense to have universal health cause TODs are a big part of that. I guess you could give some characters more so only some tods work but idk man doesn’t make a ton of sense to me
I think objectively sf6 is better, especially for a launch game but I like sfv better. Off the top of my head, main things that I think are better about sf6 gameplay-wise. Punish counter is an amazing mechanic, which I think would've been great for sfv on moves besides EX DP. Perfect parry, BUT only for special moves. So in sfv you can deal with shit like dash straight or urien ex tackle. And maybe also fireballs Other than that, things that were bad in sfv. Anti-air jabs. Glad they got rid of those. V-trigger....was fine, for the most part. The only reason I say that is because getting a random button pressed on you in neutral into v-trigger into the round basically being over unless you guess right, to me, feels exactly the same as getting low forward drive rushed close to the corner or getting perfect parry back thrown into the corner into throw loop. And I'm sticking by that. Plus they can do those at literally any time as opposed to needing to build your v-trigger bar in sfv. But the way throw loops/meaty situations post-season 2 in sfv were designed was really good. Low forward hit confirm and low forward drive rush are similar, but the fact that it takes some level skill to hit confirm and that most of the time if you messed it up, you're punishable after is really important. Versus just mashing drive rush into free plus frames. Or if it hits, you get a free corner carry or over 50% health if you have level 3 And like idom said, the things that make sf6 "bad" or not fun to play are core mechanics of the game that can't be changed without reworking the entire game, which could be a big issue later on compared to how some things got "fixed" in sfv Also random thing that doesnt actually matter. I think crossups in the corner shouldnt have got taken away so you add some slight extra risk for jumping in while in the corner Random thing that does actually matter. WHERE TF ARE ALL THE CHARACTER COSTUMES? WE DONT CARE ABOUT AVATAR COSTUMES! But yeah. Thats my 2 cents lol
That OST.... like I have SF5 ost in my day to day playlist, I play SF6 with no music and random playlist over it xD I wish I joined the FG band wagon earlier on SF5 instead of like the last 4 months.
We compare SF6 in its mid 2nd season to SFV final season. And yeah, I am not suprised some people look at SFV with nostalgia or some sympathy. SFV ath the end had huge roster with various characters. 1 thing I could always say about final state of SFV -> there is no way you would not be able to not find character for yourself. Also game was in very stable. Slowed down both by gameplay mechanics and just players being so experienced and skilled. SF6 is definetly not at this stage yet. Game is really volatile because of both - huge damage, offensive mechanics, drive rush and defense being still in development vs well developed offense. Also current roster kinda suck to be honest compared to final roster of SFV. If you can't really find your character yet in SF6 I am not really suprised. We definetly lack variety in roster. Except that, SF6 is far better game than SFV in every other aspect. And if you compare 2nd season SF6 to 2nd season SFV, SF6 is just better in every aspect.
During the SFV run I took a few looooooong breaks from the game because it just wasn't "it" at that time. With SF6 I get mad at it sometimes, but it never made me take months long breaks. It's fun, but you have to deal with the game and its faults. The faults aren't game breaking. But, they can be frustrating to deal with. The Drive system in itself needs some work. I think it could be fixed if you gained meter at maybe half the rate we currently do so that you can use it more sparingly instead of everywhere. The burnout system I think is a bad punishment system because when you have characters that can constantly keep the pressure on you and chip away at your drive gauge then I am forced to try and parry. That adds to more dumb mind games. Mind games aren't bad but if I have to guess a lot of the time then the fun gets sucked out of the game.
This Clown Fiesta topic moment still going!! Small group of people going to SFV means nothing lol! Also this New Game = Bad, Old Game = Good still going after all these long years like was a Tradition. FGC with Clown Fiesta moments will never change 🤡🎪 I can garante you FGC will think and do the same thing when Street Fighter 7 will be around and will praise SF6
As a SF6 fanboy, i gotta say, i love everything about this game EXCEPT throw loops. There should be a throw invincibility on wake up, like in Guilty Gear. Also, hard combos with 1 frame micro walks should be more rewarding. As it is, they're just not worth it to, even the best professional players don't do these.
As someone who LOVE SFTREET FIGHTER put a number I love all....SFV was my favorite SF game, is a game that have everything I wanted for years in SF, lower the difficulty of execution I will forever be grateful they did that, but I also love the V system I can´t care less what the haters say back then, or now, that system was HYPE as F.....all that been say......SF6 is the my new favorite SF game, and is everything V did but better, I have my gripes with the game but no gameplay wise, I love the Drive System, this is so flipping FUN....not sure if more than the V-System, I still miss Vtriggers and Vskills, and Vshift is wayy better than Perfect Parry, I will fight anyone on that.....but yeah I think what 6 have do with the Drive system and how improve even bad characters is great, and as a whole, SF6 is the better game, there is no question about that.....but I also understand that this is a more volatile game and in the competitive scene....that is not good, this have let to stuff like spam Drive RUSH, perfect parry interrupting the flow of battle and making all the effort in vain and a lot more stress when you have to react to many stuff, Drive Impact might not be as scary as day 1, but is still something players even in highlevel skill play have to ALWAYS be ready for and make any situation just stressing even if the opponent never use it, the treat of that and shimy in this game is insanity, so as a casual game is fun as F, but as a competitive, is just too stressful, this might be the reason so many pros ate now looking back at SFV as the competitive scene in the game was probably the most balance specially at the end............except for LUKE ruining everything but you can argue the same for 4 with ELENA so in that regard both are even. Again me personally love BOTH SFV and SF6 are great games in their own right, I miss so many things from V, like Vtriggers, Vskills of certain characters like Ken, Chunli, etc, miss so many cool characters introduce in the game or reintroduced, and miss the amount of great content Capcom start adding after fumbling the bag with that awful release, we got so much stages, costumes, colrors and stuff for the ROSTER not avatar crap......SF6 have a much better launch and great content by default, but they kinda have fumble in REVERSE now they don't feel to add more stuff only avatar crap....making the game felt stale when in reality is NOT. Again is the GOLDEN RULE, if you struggle in the new game, the old one is ALWAYS BETTER.....and heard this since SFII, this is not a new thing not even exclusive of SF the same is been saying in all fighting games, as someone who legit LOVE the previous game as I defended and STILL defend SFV as a great not good, ONE OF THE BEST FIGHTING GAMES EVER MADE.....I love SF6....MORE now, so just ged GUD people, appreciate the past, and love what you have now......still CAPCOM give us COSTUMES and STAGES STOP BEEN LAZY.
Then go play SF5. This is the beauty of being a casual gamer. I just play what I like. Professional gamers want to make $$$ playing video games and always have fun. My job isn’t fun! I have more positives than negatives but there are things that annoy me. These people choose to compete in SF 6 for $$$ which makes it a job.
Make an anti drive rush mechanic similar to killer instinct combo breaker that cost like 3 or 4 blocks of drive rush meter to prevent the combos from getting crazy…. And get rid of throw loops
Meterless dp can come back drive rush can be half a bar on hit three bars, raw and punishable, the meter itself needs to regain slower burnout happens too many times. The throw loops is really strong and a first of twob in the first to ten, you should be in your opponent's head
@ I burn out every single game. It’s half ass freedom telling you you can do all the combos you want but burn out. And keep super strong pressure for free with the drive gauge is baloney. Make the combos harder reverse the drive gauge for hit and raw and if someone’s pulling off 80% in a combo, you know they know how to press buttons. With no meter less dp the game can be put in a checkmate situation. All yeah, street fighter players are the same. Can’t talk bad about your own game. Can’t understand what’s good and call out skill issue. I said the same thing about ryu hakodeshi day 1 ya call out skill issue. They did exactly what I wanted. Casuals like cool long combos that’s all they wanna do is do cool ass combos not get throw loopd consistently by scrubs
I can tell you guys are too high level cause thinking people don't throw loop until upper Diamond/Master is nuts. I was getting throw looped in Plat 1. That's why people don't like the mechanic, literally anyone can do it.
SF6 is waaay better than SFV lets be real. I went back and played SFV…and SF4…the only thing I miss from those games are the characters. I loved SF4 focus system and style. However, SF6 feels and plays better plus…you have so much more stuff too do. I’ve been playing since SF1. So I guess it’s different for me. I began as a Guile player. I don’t use him now. My fav characters are Gen, Sagot, Ibuki, Mokoto, Zeku….no of them are in SF6. Just play. Cause guess 1 not all games are for you and sometimes the idea of them having to “cater” to a specific group of players is crazy.
To me the most interesting thing is how many good players don’t play the new version of the game for a year or two or three or ever because they don’t like the initial balancing phase of the game. I gotta give capcom credit for trying something new with each iteration. To know they are going to alienate all the ‘new game bad’ types and potentially have another flop like marvel infinite. Not many companies taking risks like that knowing something different could be dead on arrival. You take risks some pay off some don’t, good on them for taking risks. Personally I have faith they will balance it and costumes are coming, by season 3 hopefully all this current discourse is put to bed. Come on capcom do something. SFV and SF6 play very similar outside of drive rush and while drive rush is a huge part of this game, it is a new experimental system that ideally capcom will adjust. The throws loops I can’t defend. Maybe capcom is on drugs. So many good players didn’t play SFV cause Vtrigger bad but by season 4 especially to the end it was a great balanced game with 40+ characters all unique that so many people gave up on so early. It sucks capcom doesn’t balance it perfectly out of the gate but is it to the point where it’s not worth playing at all? I guess that’s up to you and if you don’t like it that’s cool but kind of sucks cause underneath drive rush abuse is a good fun game but drive gauge it has made a lot of good players disappear. Would love to know what capcom thinks about all this.
I need them to give me skins, bring back Laura and Lucia, nerf drive rush or just stop it from eating my inputs, and add more SF characters. SF is THE FIGHTING GAME. We do not need guest characters outside of the Capcom sphere. Don't get me wrong I like Terry and Mai, but they have a game coming out soon. We don't need them here and I want more of the actual SF characters or ones from their other series you know? Potentially revive those older fighters or get some new staples into the series.
Yeah I think it's just to see me if everyone didn't feel the same and was more well made and people have more creative kits because people move sets aren't as creative as some Street fighter 5 characters
At no point has SF6 surpassed SFV and it doesn't look promising. People talking about how people always miss the old game..etc...are just being bots and not thinking. People saying it's not right to compare the end of a game to the beginning of the next game... why not? I had SFV S4 and S5. It was the game I was playing until 6 released. 6 is a downgrade! There is next to nothing about 6 that is superior to V. And we must keep in mind that fighting games, SF especially have always had multiple iterations. Hating on V for a bad launch forever when there were multiple iterations makes no sense. 6 may have had a better launch but it's far from the better game.
Good video, idom speaking the truth. Crabbas in the comments can't handle the truth about their favorite game and only want to hear toxic positivity. Been like this since the game came out, this is why the sf games has been getting worst over the years
Man, SFV was terrible. Not only that, it was more boring to watch as a spectator. Nobody wanted to watch those games! No newcomers wanted to stick around. Some wouldn’t even give the game a chance. Was sfv objectively a better game or are people only saying it because they had an easier time winning games back then?
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Everyone remember the golden rule.
Old game good, new game bad.
Except for SFV which is just a bad street fighter game.
@@neoyakuNo exceptions this includes Street Fighter
Enough. Literally every video about this topic I see the same strawman.
How about you talk about gameplay instead of repeating the same thing. You literally brought nothing of value yet you're the top comment somehow.
Make a better new game?
Yep. I’m not even watching this one. IDOM is fun to watch play but he is one of the biggest whiners I’ve seen. Does it correlate with his lack of success in this game?
Man, the FGC is so predictable sometimes. I can't wait for the "Why SF6 is better than SF7" discourse. The Street Fighter cycle is to hate the game you play and then praise it once the new one comes out.
That's because people are always comparing the final season of the previous game that got years of polishing with the early stages of the new game that is still figuring itself out.
Because new street fighter games are always terrible on launch in some way or another.
This happens literally everytime a new SF releases. The cycle continues.
This happens with every "BIG" fighting game. SF, MK, Tekken, all of them. Not sure about smaller franchises such as KoF.
Make a better new game?
@@clydu91sf6 is better than sf5.
Nah SFV is the beat game to date
@@kelvin303lmao
The mere suggestion of SFV being better than SF6 just tells you how tremendously short peoples memories are.......like seriously man.
SFV was utter TRASH at launch. It didn't get good until really the third season and towards the end of its life.
Even then, SFV was not better than SFIV, you can pick literally any version.
SF6 is not perfect, but we have to remember that the game is very early on in its lifespan.
If we are comparing where SFV was after its launch and its first full season, and where SF6 is right now, it's not even night and day's difference, the two games are planets apart from each other.
SF6 is in much much better shape comparatively timeframe for timeframe.
The FGC are just impossible to please, there was literally hate mail EVERYWHERE for SFV and now all of a sudden it's a sentimental legendary edition of the series that never was.
Smh 🙄
Completely agreed. I only decided to hop onto V at the end of its life because the amount of shit talk about it turned me away. I enjoyed it for the time I played, but 6 is just infinitely more polished, interesting, and fun. Plus the potential for it to get even better is massive.
in no universe is sfv better than sf6 lol. i will happily never play sfv ever again
Nobody giv a fuk lame
I do like the fact you get fightercoins for playing ranked. Something to reward the time you put into the game unlike 6.
There is little to no incentive to play 6. Like maybe give some drive tickets when you play? Idk something, a new color for hitting a new rank. Fucking anything.
SF6 is unfixable and trash. It’s not even fun, hence why this topic will continue on. SFV is wayyyy better this this garbage as gams
@@kelvin303 Stay there then lol. Nobody cares...
I tried booting up SFV again and immediately shut that shit off, these guys saying SFV is better is bugging
Exactly why the FGC is cooked. Literally complain about every game and say it’s garbage. Street fighter 5 was slandered mercilessly. Sweep into V trigger robberies all day . People were getting robbed left and right . Heck iDom was running people over with peek Laura before she was nerfed .
Stuff like this is why I give full props to Harada saying "Don't ask me for shit"
Because honestly, a lot of the FGC either don't know what they want or are too much of a coward to say what they really want
At least Menard more or less admitted he sucks against drive rush😂
No it's cooked because people like you don't want people to voice their opinion about a garbage product. You want people to keep eating garbage with a smile on their face 😂
@@DontTipMe when did I say I don’t want people to voice they’re opinion ? Lol. I’m saying peoples opinions change with the wind in the fgc and are filled with revisionist history. Also street fighter 5 was truly a garbage product from a quality standpoint. Terrible netcode , literally input delay , awkward graphic decisions and zero single player content . And that’s without even getting into how broken it was on release in terms of the fighting system . Street fighter 6 is superior on a technical and content level in every way. Now in terms of the fighting game system that will always be subjective . And if people think sf5 is better systems that’s fine but that was not the mindset when the game was out . People were constantly complaining about that game whether it was sweep into v trigger , the v triggers themselves . How there was no sauce in the game and how common robbery was. I want people to actually think about their opinions and try to have consistent lines of thought before they just blurt out nonsense.
@@melohopkins5480 No one said SFV was the peak of fighting games. They're both garbage as competitive fighting games, it's just that SF6 managed to be somehow worst than SFV so people are comparing it to what its closest to. Yes, there is some recency bias in some of their points but don't act like they're saying that SFV was the GOAT. Idom specifically said SFV was trash until season 3.
@ oh so they’re both garbage lol . Got it . 😅
how long are we gonna milk this guys? I agree sf6 has a lot of issues but this kind of discourse is so stale and lame
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How long we gonna milk Idom is more important question
As long as people milked and still do milk “sfv is the worst game ever” then I don’t see the issue complaining about sf6
What? You want the game to be drive rush simulator or smth? People discussing its the way to change
@Pepitossj4 play sfv if you don't like drive rush. Otherwise stop crying.
Purely as a spectator i think sf6 is much better than 5. Also lately watching top players play throw loops aren't that common
Remember kids:
Cr.MK -> Drive Rush = Bad, Braindead, Scrubby
Sweep -> V-Trigger = Good, Emergent Gameplay, Big Brained
I don’t have a problem with either at the end of the day don’t get hit but one of those things happened maybe one time a round and one of them happens potentially many times in a round. Both of them can be baited and punished.
its because of the risk/reward tho
Who was doing sweep vtrigger end of sfv? Oh you still wanna keep bringing up season 1? Cr. Mk dr is bad for so many reasons. Not everyone can do it. It’s not the easiest whiff punish. Insane corner carry for most who can do it. Leads to guessing and throw loops in the corner. But sure, keep acting like when people say they don’t like cr. Mk dr it’s comparable to sweep v trigger.
@@Digital.midoriim convinced anyone crying about vtriggers compared to drive guage are just huge scrubs who use cr. Mk dr and raw DR/PP as crutches. Like half of the top tiers didnt even want to use the v meter for anything other than v reversals and vshifts.
Horrible comparison sweep v-trigger is something you got once a round where as in 6 you can do like 5 to 6 cr m drive rush per round. The reward on hit for sweep v-trigger is a knock down for little damage and cr mk drive rush especially on characters like Ken lead to losing like 30% of your health minimum plus insane corner carry into a throw loop
Ngl the SF community contradicts themselves so much lol. Just say you want your character in the game and that’s it because they actually all love street fighter 6. None of them can make valid points to say why five is better than six ESPECIALLY FROM A ENJOYMENT ASPECT. Mfs literally play the same top five characters all based off how good their V triggers are. It’s honestly like you have to live or die by the V trigger and beyond the trigger. Your characters tool set would determine if their ass or not. Like I’m just personally not going to fall into the trope that the SF community is trying to pull with calling a game that they’ve hated for over 10 years seriously try to turn around and say….. It’s better than six. Like people can’t have their cake and eat it too. Also ngl people gotta stop taking what the pros are saying like idom who’s been complaining about manon whether he wants to admit missing Laura or not is simply coping, but even that small aspect doesn’t validate SF5 being better than SF6, even if they want to go and nitpick every little detail
iDom hates fireball + DR in SF6, yet played Laura in SFV. ROFL! Laura abused that mechanic without using a meter.
Idom hardly complains about Manon. He complains about the game mechanics particularly drive rush
i mean just say that you started playing SF with 6 bro it's all good. people are free to like it but it's pretty clear why it's an ass game for competitors, and it's not about the characters lol the mechanics are oppressive, especially DR, it's literally the first thing i noticed about the game. i think people that started with 6 are of course going to like it (maybe people that got good with 6 can be grouped in there). but i think it's pretty wack as far as street fighter games go, especially comparing it to the previous titles. really not much SF DNA in this game.
I mean I can say what I like about 5. V trigger and vskill were more fun and added lots of variety. I prefer have pressure works in V. I prefer the normal priority system in 5. I liked how the global mechanics in V are not extremely over bearing. The roster in v even comparing season 2 SFV to Sf6 is better imo. Music in V was vastly better. Ranked system was way better in V.
Things I prefer in 6 is basically graphics and netcode. I also think 6 is more balanced.
@@kc_graves6248I don't know about that because even something like the drive rush can mainly be used 2 or 3 times in a row until burnout happens while also leaving the opponent vulnerable to attack which shows that it is a move that is best to be used in certain circumstances but still having variety in the moveset.
The drive impacts are similar to the focus attacks from Street Fighter 4 while still having an obvious weakness of three attacks or throws but many of the drive mechanics have to be used sparingly because you can use them for offense or defense but going into burnout can make you vulnerable.
Pro players always moaning about something dev can never win imo is annoying
Anyone glazing SFV literally hop on SFV online right now and tell me how good of a time you have lmao
I actually tried it a couple months ago and it is fucking insane we put up with the old cfn. Even ignoring the fact I think it's a dog shit game the online was insanely busted
Trust it’s better than SF6. SF6 is hot garbage. Drive system is unfixable. The game will continue to go downhill. SfV is a wayyy better better game
@@kelvin303 Cope harder and keep glazing sf5 under every comment . Sf5 250 vs Sf6 25000 average players btw
Been doing it and having like 10x as much fun as I ever had hopping on 6
@@kelvin303 damn bro You truly hate sf6
I just miss all the skins SFV had
Actually a great point. The skins are kinda ass in sf6
@ They are. They need to stop dropping skins for your avatar and start dropping skins for the fighters
@brownbandit4564 facts, or just make them universal in a way
I miss the mods... SF5 mod community was fire.
@josevitorcalfa2 oh that's a FACT
I remember people praising Third Strike and complaining about how SF4 didn't have real neutral due to the focus attack. Then suddenly, during SF5, SF4 was the pinnacle of neutral, and V Triggers were dumb. Now V Triggers are great, and the Drive System sucks. Street Fighter fans, man.
Some would say that Third Strike doesn't have real footsies because of parrying. Just had to throw that in there since Third Strike fans can be a bit pretentious in thinking that their game is the one flawlessly great Street Fighter. The game was a commercial flop that nearly killed the series but its legacy was saved by Evo moment #37.
SF5 really was kind of boring to watch though. And what SF6 lacks are the personalities, rivalries, and unsanitized FGC content of the SF4 era. I'm glad I got to experience that '09 to 2015 era during which SF4 ushered in not only a resurgence of Street Fighter, but of fighting games in general. SF5 and its contemporaries just failed to recapture that magic.
@@megavolt67I still think that SF4 is the best Street Fighter game and its last version: Ultra is just one balance patch away from being great… Wish that SF4 survives till SF5 is fully ready to be released. Damn! SFV launch was a disaster. 😂
I'm sure that people saying "sfv was better than 6" have simply forgot what playing sfv really meant
I genuinely feel like I enjoy SFV more specifically because each character feels distinctly different instead of picking a character and figuring out when and how to drive rush and that's essentially half of the learning curve for each character. Whereas in 5 I felt like I was changing how I play drastically from character to character and 6 has very little of that imo.
I hear this take a lot and it’s kinda lame imo. Yeah you learn why to drive rush on each character, but how is that a bad thing? It’s the same as learning when to poke with a characters, it’s part of how you play them. It being a universal mechanic doesn’t really change that
@@willkershisnik5893SF6 is a lazy game the developers didn’t really cared for the game compared to SFV. SFV felt like a real street fighter game and had unique ways of playing. SF6 is 85% drive system. SFV is a wayy better game and will continue to be. Can’t fix Sf6
I can agree with you on the learning the Drive Rush mechanic, but that’s it.
I love the balance of the characters in 6 and how they differ in terms of learning them.
Yeah that’s just not true man. There are characters that abuse drive rush (Juri, Dee Jay) but there’s plenty that don’t as well. I’m a 1550-1600 Chun player and I hard,y ever use DR much outside of oki and stuff. Playing/watching Chun is also completely different than when I’m playing Kim, they are nothing alike. Characters are only more unique in V if you compare the end roster to SF6’s roster, which isn’t fair at all. V’s roster was just as stale as 6 in the beginning and they only started to spice stuff up later down the road.
@ cap
SfV is garbage respectfully lmaoo
sf5 roster is way better. gameplay too
Yeah i remember that better roster with 16 characters 😂@@TQsquad
@@TQsquad nope
You don’t like character uniqueness and a game without universal mechanics? Every Vtrigger and Vskill different. Parry was unique to characters. Nobody had the same neutral skip tool. 40+ characters all doing their own thing, that’s a garbage game? Brazy
@@burgercheezes that shit hot ass. This ain't soul caliber I'd rather not have my moves and combos limited by how much I get hit. Game played like ass too with default buffers
Why are all the American SF pros all a baby? I’m more in tune with the Japanese scene, but literally not a single person is saying SFV was better lol.
All the pros here got old and turned into LTG lmao
American is general talk more shit publicly, also a lot of the current big U.S pros got big in SFV. Of course they would like SFV a lot
Wait until next week when we get another "why new game bad and old game good."
All these players came up in sfv are of course going to say 6 isn’t as good. Idoms fault for picking an unstable character of course he thinks it isn’t as good.
Y’all are absolutely beating this dead horse into the lowest pits of hell. My God. We get it. 🙄
iDom trying so hard not to get clickbaited
Game design, game staying power, enjoyability for both the spectator and the player, game product, and art direction and graphic, all GO TO SF6.
Game mechanic and roster go to SFV
Can’t compare a finished product to a wip. I don’t think ppl truly hate sf6 but the lack of content. Yea the meta is getting stale as of now and yes 4 characters a year with little to no content for said characters does absolutely suck.
SF5 still is a fun game. Some of those characters were the most fun they've ever been in 5, and even if they return in 6, they probably won't play the same.
At the end of the game, SFV had such a wide cast with interesting V system options to choose on the character select screen that I think it is more fun that SF6. But that is because of the familiarity and ability to experiment with a choice you’ve never seen before, 6 is more well constructed, but is also more limited
I think people who complain about the discourse are worse than the people partaking in the “discourse”.
this
The engagement Farming go hard
lol people tripping fr only thing sfv got over 6 rn is characters other than that its worst in every other way
man said he'd rather get x-factored 3 by phoenix than get throw looped... please capcom, be listening
One takes some skill to do at least
I actually agree.
Throws are mind-numbingly common now, and not flashy in the slightest. Every single round someone is almost certainly going to get thrown, and that always leads into the exact same situation. On the other hand, Phoenix is a character that demands a change in strategy in both players to play around her comeback potential. She's powerful in her own way, but in Marvel one mistake can shut down a whole team. That's a lot more fun and exciting compared to knowing you're bound to see the same old strike throw cutscene shit, every time you play the game
@@Digital.midoriskill to use dark phoenix is hillarious.
You can tell which people just read the title and immediately started crying in the comments
I didn't play V but as a coincidence I was watching some ranked gameplay yesterday and that shit looks ass
Like your appearance
@mac7114 nah I look good
I played that and movement felt like ass too. Like bad MK movement
These comments are tiring.
Maybe some people actual think the older games are better than the newer ones sometimes…even if they had problems at the time with the direction of that game compared to that game’s predecessor.
Time is a straight line not a circle…
Some things I prefer about SFV is even though it was ugly as sin Ryu didn’t have sickly green skin like he does now, Ken was ugly as shit but somehow looks worse this time around, v trigger had to be built you didn’t just have it at the start of the round, there was way less low forward spam and only strong players could get reward off of it, and the game wasn’t as colorful as a 2025 SpongeBob episode with the saturation turned all the way up, not to mention the costumes and what I think is better visual clarity and feel (not a huge issue to me but SF6 feels very floaty, almost like the characters are hollow. Not a deal breaker but something I feel and do not like. The hitstop feels this way too)…just my opinion…
I’m primarily a melee player (13 years) and there are 100% valid, material critiques you can make on every title since melee. The community felt so strongly about the critiques that they stuck with the original game. The new games did not deliver on what made melee so great. It’s a real thing that happens lol.
It’s not that complicated to understand or see if you are ACTUALLY in a scene & not just someone who partakes in discourse about games they don’t actually play and just repeats what RUclipsrs say telling you to be positive.
When you play a game for 4-10 years you get sick of it and are deeply aware of its flaws. You hope the new title addresses them and improves on the formula. But these devs keep instead making big changes towards new directions. It’s not like people are getting what they have asked for then going “this sucks, new game bad”.
Toxic negativity is toxic and toxic positivity is toxic. Just be honest and everyone wins. We can have better discourse and maybe better games if people stop acting like bots whenever people have an opinion
EDIT:
And even though melee is “my game” I have critiques of it. The sequels certainly did not address them lol they just went in a different direction and sometimes that happens and sometimes things get lost when devs do that….and sometimes players prefer that that wasn’t the case
Not complicated.
And in my own experience I found SFV’s CPT more fun to watch than SF6’s. I wish that wasn’t the case, I don’t hate this game, I just don’t get excited to spectate it. I don’t even have a horse in the race so that’s worth something. It might just be the amount of DR and system mechanic (along with the visuals which I really do not care for at all) in each match that I feel is overpowering other elements of the game. Idk
Things I personally find better in SF5 than SF6:
- OST
- Lots of Costumes
- Lots of mods
- Female muscles (more prominent in all ladies, not concentrate in only one big girl).
- Better Frame Traps (If you like to pressure your opponent all day and don't get upset when you are receiving the pressure).
- Chun Li. I personally like her moveset a lot more in 5.
(Edit) - Attack Animations are also better in SF5. Juri and Chun are fine examples of that. Their moves are beautiful in 5. 6 is a bit... Strange.
All that said, SF5 was “I Got My Round Stolen” - The Game. V-Trigger system was a mess. Also, bad hair, weird faces, big hands and feet, and dumb Abigail are somethings I don't miss at all.
I agree that Chuns animations are better in V. But she's so much cooler gameplay wise for me with the stance cancels.
Everything up to the last point is debatable, but dude, the attack animations...
One day the FGC will be freed from the clutches of comparing the last iteration of a game to the first iteration of the next one, but clearly that day is not today
Pft hahahahaha it's, in your opinion, better because you're struggling in this one. Both games are trash compared to Third Strike and SF4. SF5 almost killed SF's side of the FGC. I'm shocked at how few people truly understand why and what's at the base of the issues. SF5 and SF6 are both inferior because they MASSIVELY lowered the ceiling... By 300 PERCENT! It's shocking how ignorant the average tournament player is about game design. Street Fighter NEEDS one frame links. The games need more ways to be great at them. ALL of the FGC's most hype, non-drama moments are related to execution difficulty. ALL. OF. THEM. Full Stop. Evo moment 37, the most famous FGC moment, was so hard Justin Wong didn't even know you could do it. Without a high execution ceiling, there's really only one way to be great at SF... To have great reaction speed. You can't train reaction speed very much. So if you have an intrinsically average or low reaction speed, say, 250ms or slower, you will never win a major. No matter what. But if you could get max damage, knew all the character specific, super hard combos, it could make up for the deficiency. How do these dummies not understand this? I guess that's why they're playing video games instead of getting their PhD in physics and especially game design lol.
Nah I feel what idom said bout the drive meter. It feels like there is so much to look out for with just the universal mechanics and then pair them with certain characters who have hard to deal w/ specials and supers like Rashid lv 2. It’s a lot to deal with and the drive meter gain is a little op compared to the things that drain your opponents’ drive gauge. I think sf4 did better at combo expression by utilizing execution as the means to do longer more damaging combos. In sf6 as long as you can maintain your drive gauge more so than your opponent, you can spam the unga shit over and over more so than what past titles have allowed. It’s not bad, sf6, it just feels like some characters are playing the game while others are in a different franchise.
No no no i cant stand this, not after years of hating on sf5... man, it cant be the same everytime...
Thank God that top players are like 0.5% of all players, and we can just ignore them.
iDom, top player from sfv, hmmmmmmm
Online tournaments really killed a lot of the hype for tournaments. Offline will always be king
Players always start complaining as soon as it starts becoming more apparent that they're not as dominant in the current game than the previous one.
I went back to SFV and the online is so bad even when I face wired connections most have horrible connections
@@Diet_sprite Despite preferring SFV in many ways, I barely ever play it for this 1 reason.
@eddragon2264 yeah if the online was Great then the game wouldn't be so bad to play
He said "Modern controls" and "all the things that make SF6 good" in the same breath...
Street Fighter 5 is the first game I could remember ever RETURNING. The closest I came to picking it back up was the G reveal and Smug's "Smug falls in love with G" made me wanna play, but I settled for watching
I love how everyone here is like “ This game is great and the other one is absolutely godawful thrash “ like no middle ground exists here 💀
This is insane, people complained endlessly about SFV, and many people had some good points. But it's really just exposed human nature to me and that I should just take the complaints with a grain of salt.
After years of enduring people saying "SFV is garbage" to now hear these same people say "SFV is a better game than SF6" does nothing but confirm that SF fans have short-term memory loss
The title followed by Idom immediately saying SF6 is a better product overall is so funny
This argument is moot to me - once we get more characters in SFVI, none of this will be relevant; players are forgetting how bad SFV was.
Its actually quite insane to watch people complaining about SF6. I go to chinese FGC and nobody talks about 5, literally nobody. Audience there celebrated SF6 is not a snooze fest like SF5, they praised the drive system, praised the graphics, hell even praised character balance (except Jamie, who is "too" strong to win tournaments).
Some of you clearly didn't watch the video
The only time this community talks about SFV is during content droughts… I think that shows which game is better 😂
even comparing end-of-life SFV to season 2 of sf6, competitive SF6 feels way better and has much more thoughtful engagements in a match than SFV. Only thing SFV has is the roster and skins.
No....5 was unfair and half done
If recovery of both players is the same after throw, then throw loop will not be a thing
Dude that’s a terrible idea though. The game works on a strike throw basis, if the throw option is useless and resets you to neutral then people have no effort to put in on defense
People who want throw loops gone should try out Honda and Chun li and see what the game would feel like without them. It makes the corner feel way less scary and makes maintaining momentum way harder cause you can just be blocked out a lot of times
I main Chun and idc about not having a throw loop. I still grab people a lot in the corner cause people are afraid of getting shimmied, and the mental stack is so high that people aren’t always going to be ready for it when you do decide to go for throws. Throw in meaties, safe jumps, and tick throws, people will still crumble in the corner.
@ yeah but what I’m saying is that your corner pressure is inherently weaker because without a throw loop blocking is a way stronger option. I also play chun and her blockstrings aren’t that long. If someone just blocks in the corner they have a good chance of waiting out your pressure. Sure you can still throw where you would frame trap, but that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is because there is less threat of throw (less spots to do it and can’t do it on wake up) the pressure from those two characters is a lot worse in the corner. Also on top of that, say you do throw where you can frame trap, now what? You get very little to follow up with as oki even though you’re in the corner, it just isn’t great.
I'm so glad the pros aren't developers
Throws exists in lower levels, but those players also feel a little bad when winning that way IMO.
I get why you would want to in a tournament setting, but no one wants to actually play that way even if it means losing a few matches
Man man the tale as old as time. “The old game is better than the new game” argument lol
Man, who would've thought that a finished game with nearly a decade of support could be debatable better than a 2 year old game lol
V trigger is the worst mechanic. If you delete V trigger SFV would be the better game. And SF6 would be a better game if you delete the whole drive system along with perfect parry.
At least the Drive System doesn't hide cool and fun moves behind a fucking mechanic that you can only access by getting hit.
Hell no
@ That's true. But Stuff like drive impact and perfect parry takes away some fun from the grounded gameplay in SF6. that part was more fun in SFV.
Vtrigger od. Every character gets the opportunity to go super saiyan once a round. Bait it out. Don’t get hit. Characters getting stronger is fun and had their own uniqueness.
@FrankTheDoomriderJohansen I disagree, perfect parry is a great risk reward system
Dbfz made sense to have universal health cause TODs are a big part of that. I guess you could give some characters more so only some tods work but idk man doesn’t make a ton of sense to me
One day I hope for iDom to be the be-all, end-all of streamers.
And to use the phrase right ;-)
I think objectively sf6 is better, especially for a launch game but I like sfv better. Off the top of my head, main things that I think are better about sf6 gameplay-wise. Punish counter is an amazing mechanic, which I think would've been great for sfv on moves besides EX DP. Perfect parry, BUT only for special moves. So in sfv you can deal with shit like dash straight or urien ex tackle. And maybe also fireballs
Other than that, things that were bad in sfv. Anti-air jabs. Glad they got rid of those. V-trigger....was fine, for the most part. The only reason I say that is because getting a random button pressed on you in neutral into v-trigger into the round basically being over unless you guess right, to me, feels exactly the same as getting low forward drive rushed close to the corner or getting perfect parry back thrown into the corner into throw loop. And I'm sticking by that. Plus they can do those at literally any time as opposed to needing to build your v-trigger bar in sfv. But the way throw loops/meaty situations post-season 2 in sfv were designed was really good. Low forward hit confirm and low forward drive rush are similar, but the fact that it takes some level skill to hit confirm and that most of the time if you messed it up, you're punishable after is really important. Versus just mashing drive rush into free plus frames. Or if it hits, you get a free corner carry or over 50% health if you have level 3
And like idom said, the things that make sf6 "bad" or not fun to play are core mechanics of the game that can't be changed without reworking the entire game, which could be a big issue later on compared to how some things got "fixed" in sfv
Also random thing that doesnt actually matter. I think crossups in the corner shouldnt have got taken away so you add some slight extra risk for jumping in while in the corner
Random thing that does actually matter. WHERE TF ARE ALL THE CHARACTER COSTUMES? WE DONT CARE ABOUT AVATAR COSTUMES!
But yeah. Thats my 2 cents lol
Bruh thats saying something if you'd rather get X Factor Level 3 Phoenix'd than get Ken throw looped
That OST.... like I have SF5 ost in my day to day playlist, I play SF6 with no music and random playlist over it xD
I wish I joined the FG band wagon earlier on SF5 instead of like the last 4 months.
HEEEEELLLLLL NAWWW, sfv was hot garbage, decent near the end.
We compare SF6 in its mid 2nd season to SFV final season. And yeah, I am not suprised some people look at SFV with nostalgia or some sympathy. SFV ath the end had huge roster with various characters. 1 thing I could always say about final state of SFV -> there is no way you would not be able to not find character for yourself. Also game was in very stable. Slowed down both by gameplay mechanics and just players being so experienced and skilled. SF6 is definetly not at this stage yet. Game is really volatile because of both - huge damage, offensive mechanics, drive rush and defense being still in development vs well developed offense. Also current roster kinda suck to be honest compared to final roster of SFV. If you can't really find your character yet in SF6 I am not really suprised. We definetly lack variety in roster.
Except that, SF6 is far better game than SFV in every other aspect. And if you compare 2nd season SF6 to 2nd season SFV, SF6 is just better in every aspect.
During the SFV run I took a few looooooong breaks from the game because it just wasn't "it" at that time. With SF6 I get mad at it sometimes, but it never made me take months long breaks. It's fun, but you have to deal with the game and its faults. The faults aren't game breaking. But, they can be frustrating to deal with. The Drive system in itself needs some work. I think it could be fixed if you gained meter at maybe half the rate we currently do so that you can use it more sparingly instead of everywhere. The burnout system I think is a bad punishment system because when you have characters that can constantly keep the pressure on you and chip away at your drive gauge then I am forced to try and parry. That adds to more dumb mind games. Mind games aren't bad but if I have to guess a lot of the time then the fun gets sucked out of the game.
Please get a new topic. This discourse is exhausting.
Drive rush is so fucking goofy and bad designed
This Clown Fiesta topic moment still going!!
Small group of people going to SFV means nothing lol! Also this New Game = Bad, Old Game = Good still going after all these long years like was a Tradition.
FGC with Clown Fiesta moments will never change 🤡🎪
I can garante you FGC will think and do the same thing when Street Fighter 7 will be around and will praise SF6
why cant we just discuss older and newer games like adults smh, this reductive bs is so cringe
@a1337turtle It is what it is, FGC will never change
As a SF6 fanboy, i gotta say, i love everything about this game EXCEPT throw loops. There should be a throw invincibility on wake up, like in Guilty Gear. Also, hard combos with 1 frame micro walks should be more rewarding. As it is, they're just not worth it to, even the best professional players don't do these.
As someone who LOVE SFTREET FIGHTER put a number I love all....SFV was my favorite SF game, is a game that have everything I wanted for years in SF, lower the difficulty of execution I will forever be grateful they did that, but I also love the V system I can´t care less what the haters say back then, or now, that system was HYPE as F.....all that been say......SF6 is the my new favorite SF game, and is everything V did but better, I have my gripes with the game but no gameplay wise, I love the Drive System, this is so flipping FUN....not sure if more than the V-System, I still miss Vtriggers and Vskills, and Vshift is wayy better than Perfect Parry, I will fight anyone on that.....but yeah I think what 6 have do with the Drive system and how improve even bad characters is great, and as a whole, SF6 is the better game, there is no question about that.....but I also understand that this is a more volatile game and in the competitive scene....that is not good, this have let to stuff like spam Drive RUSH, perfect parry interrupting the flow of battle and making all the effort in vain and a lot more stress when you have to react to many stuff, Drive Impact might not be as scary as day 1, but is still something players even in highlevel skill play have to ALWAYS be ready for and make any situation just stressing even if the opponent never use it, the treat of that and shimy in this game is insanity, so as a casual game is fun as F, but as a competitive, is just too stressful, this might be the reason so many pros ate now looking back at SFV as the competitive scene in the game was probably the most balance specially at the end............except for LUKE ruining everything but you can argue the same for 4 with ELENA so in that regard both are even. Again me personally love BOTH SFV and SF6 are great games in their own right, I miss so many things from V, like Vtriggers, Vskills of certain characters like Ken, Chunli, etc, miss so many cool characters introduce in the game or reintroduced, and miss the amount of great content Capcom start adding after fumbling the bag with that awful release, we got so much stages, costumes, colrors and stuff for the ROSTER not avatar crap......SF6 have a much better launch and great content by default, but they kinda have fumble in REVERSE now they don't feel to add more stuff only avatar crap....making the game felt stale when in reality is NOT. Again is the GOLDEN RULE, if you struggle in the new game, the old one is ALWAYS BETTER.....and heard this since SFII, this is not a new thing not even exclusive of SF the same is been saying in all fighting games, as someone who legit LOVE the previous game as I defended and STILL defend SFV as a great not good, ONE OF THE BEST FIGHTING GAMES EVER MADE.....I love SF6....MORE now, so just ged GUD people, appreciate the past, and love what you have now......still CAPCOM give us COSTUMES and STAGES STOP BEEN LAZY.
Then go play SF5. This is the beauty of being a casual gamer. I just play what I like. Professional gamers want to make $$$ playing video games and always have fun. My job isn’t fun! I have more positives than negatives but there are things that annoy me. These people choose to compete in SF 6 for $$$ which makes it a job.
SFV has the best most banger tracks and I am yet to see SF6 beat it at that.
Make an anti drive rush mechanic similar to killer instinct combo breaker that cost like 3 or 4 blocks of drive rush meter to prevent the combos from getting crazy…. And get rid of throw loops
what I don't understand is in sf5 they patched out throw loops after season 1 because they ruined the game so why did they bring them back in sf6
But do they know why kids like the taste of "cinnamon toast crunch?"
SF V had multiple iterations before peaking, can we give SF VI more than one before comparing…?
Commenting on every video requesting Makoto’s BBCF combo trials, video 157.
Meterless dp can come back drive rush can be half a bar on hit three bars, raw and punishable, the meter itself needs to regain slower burnout happens too many times. The throw loops is really strong and a first of twob in the first to ten, you should be in your opponent's head
Thank God you don't design this game lmao. Burnout happens to many times? It's damn near a death sentence wdym?
@ I burn out every single game. It’s half ass freedom telling you you can do all the combos you want but burn out. And keep super strong pressure for free with the drive gauge is baloney. Make the combos harder reverse the drive gauge for hit and raw and if someone’s pulling off 80% in a combo, you know they know how to press buttons. With no meter less dp the game can be put in a checkmate situation. All yeah, street fighter players are the same. Can’t talk bad about your own game. Can’t understand what’s good and call out skill issue. I said the same thing about ryu hakodeshi day 1 ya call out skill issue. They did exactly what I wanted. Casuals like cool long combos that’s all they wanna do is do cool ass combos not get throw loopd consistently by scrubs
@@Crouton- free pressure leaving you to 2 to 3000 damage three times is whack asf
@@tegrity it's okay old man, just take your meds and go to bed.
Comparing getting throw looped by Ken to Level 3 X factor phoenix in any way is hilarious. Like bro , no
I can tell you guys are too high level cause thinking people don't throw loop until upper Diamond/Master is nuts. I was getting throw looped in Plat 1. That's why people don't like the mechanic, literally anyone can do it.
SF6 is waaay better than SFV lets be real. I went back and played SFV…and SF4…the only thing I miss from those games are the characters. I loved SF4 focus system and style. However, SF6 feels and plays better plus…you have so much more stuff too do.
I’ve been playing since SF1. So I guess it’s different for me. I began as a Guile player. I don’t use him now. My fav characters are Gen, Sagot, Ibuki, Mokoto, Zeku….no of them are in SF6. Just play. Cause guess 1 not all games are for you and sometimes the idea of them having to “cater” to a specific group of players is crazy.
To me the most interesting thing is how many good players don’t play the new version of the game for a year or two or three or ever because they don’t like the initial balancing phase of the game.
I gotta give capcom credit for trying something new with each iteration. To know they are going to alienate all the ‘new game bad’ types and potentially have another flop like marvel infinite. Not many companies taking risks like that knowing something different could be dead on arrival. You take risks some pay off some don’t, good on them for taking risks. Personally I have faith they will balance it and costumes are coming, by season 3 hopefully all this current discourse is put to bed. Come on capcom do something.
SFV and SF6 play very similar outside of drive rush and while drive rush is a huge part of this game, it is a new experimental system that ideally capcom will adjust. The throws loops I can’t defend. Maybe capcom is on drugs.
So many good players didn’t play SFV cause Vtrigger bad but by season 4 especially to the end it was a great balanced game with 40+ characters all unique that so many people gave up on so early.
It sucks capcom doesn’t balance it perfectly out of the gate but is it to the point where it’s not worth playing at all? I guess that’s up to you and if you don’t like it that’s cool but kind of sucks cause underneath drive rush abuse is a good fun game but drive gauge it has made a lot of good players disappear. Would love to know what capcom thinks about all this.
Dead horse and dead argument
I need them to give me skins, bring back Laura and Lucia, nerf drive rush or just stop it from eating my inputs, and add more SF characters. SF is THE FIGHTING GAME. We do not need guest characters outside of the Capcom sphere. Don't get me wrong I like Terry and Mai, but they have a game coming out soon. We don't need them here and I want more of the actual SF characters or ones from their other series you know? Potentially revive those older fighters or get some new staples into the series.
SF6 is better than SF5. Just b/c SF5’s netcode is garbage, doesn’t mean the game is.
Probably cause he was winning tourneys at that time.
Yeah I think it's just to see me if everyone didn't feel the same and was more well made and people have more creative kits because people move sets aren't as creative as some Street fighter 5 characters
Every community will always complain about their game(not exclusive to fg). Unless the game goes extinct people won't be happy lol.
At no point has SF6 surpassed SFV and it doesn't look promising.
People talking about how people always miss the old game..etc...are just being bots and not thinking.
People saying it's not right to compare the end of a game to the beginning of the next game... why not? I had SFV S4 and S5. It was the game I was playing until 6 released. 6 is a downgrade! There is next to nothing about 6 that is superior to V. And we must keep in mind that fighting games, SF especially have always had multiple iterations. Hating on V for a bad launch forever when there were multiple iterations makes no sense. 6 may have had a better launch but it's far from the better game.
Good video, idom speaking the truth. Crabbas in the comments can't handle the truth about their favorite game and only want to hear toxic positivity. Been like this since the game came out, this is why the sf games has been getting worst over the years
Yeah usually happens when they lose that they claim that the vapid SF V was better than the feature rich SF 6!
Throw loops don't work as well in diamond and below because everybody invincible wake up
Man, SFV was terrible. Not only that, it was more boring to watch as a spectator. Nobody wanted to watch those games! No newcomers wanted to stick around. Some wouldn’t even give the game a chance.
Was sfv objectively a better game or are people only saying it because they had an easier time winning games back then?
I really believe most of the fondness for V mostly comes from it's near retirement age as a SF entry, which speaks volumes.
City of the wolves coming soon 😈 unless that’s deemed scrubby too? 😅
I mean, he is an excellent player but he is trying to play LAURA using MANON. Thats not going to happen.