I definitely could get behind more standardization between the west and east plants. And I think that with the increase of solar, the 12v fridge makes a ton more sense than the gas/electric I do remember the summers and falls in the intermountain west when I used to drive a semi cross county. It’d be hot as hell in the daytime, but by 10-midnight, it would dip down to the low 60s and even 50s and be absolutely perfect sleeping weather.
Like this one very much. I'm in Kansas need large ac here too. As an upholsterer single recliners are best because of replacement or repairs . Theatre seats would both need to be sent to trash if 1 has major problems. Singles can easily be replaced...just a thought.True queen is a must.
I am in Nebraska so big a/c is a must. I would like a 12v (w/adequate solar). Please upgrade all units to the western option. I like farmhouse decor and would go w/theater or a storage sofa. Yes, add the medicine cabinet in bathroom. Strongly dislike the radius shower. Makes this unit unusable for me as being disabled I have to have room for a shower chair to be used. However for most people I'm sure it's adequate. A residential Queen is a big deal for me so I appreciate those when they are used. I get that most people replace their trailer mattresses and I probably would too but I just hate having to replace it immediately. Manufacturers need to understand that being able to use standardized size bedding is a huge deal. Most people don't want to have to buy special sheets or wrangle with their standard size sheets to make them try and fit. At least for me it's a big deal and I think most campers especially women would feel that way since they generally are the ones handling purchasing the bedding and making up the beds. The Western models are better equipped for boondocking with larger propane and water tanks and I think most people would like to have that available. I know I would.
Coming from owning a Rocky Mountain 245rlsw I do like the room this model seems to offer, but a true queen bed is a must. I would get a12 for fridge for this as well, the dual fuel just don't seem ţo work well in lower temperatures. I do appreciate the upgraded water capacity and it has been a marriage saver! I wish companies would upgrade the gray water tank accordingly. Every three days I am draining the gray water, when boondocking.
My opinion is you can't have to much water or propane. 10 cubic foot compressor fridge all the way. They just work better in the hot and humid summer here in north eastern oklahoma. I never exchange propane tanks anyway. It's much cheaper to get them refilled and you actually get 20 pounds of propane instead of 15.
12v fridge all day for me. I live in the PNW, but it doesn't matter. The new LFP batteries can run those all day long no problem with only a little solar power. This is an awesome couples model, if you are both super short. Baby queen is a no go, and I am 5' 9".
I like the layout and wish more had the option or chairs like that or theater seats in the smaller sizes. I always like bigger water tanks. The fridge I want what works best if you are off grid. The bed it really depends on the quality of the mattresses. If I am just going to replace it I rather have the cheapest option so the smaller one. If it is a good one I would keep queen all the way. The one thing for me is the height. I am taller so I don't want to be hitting my head all the time.
I'm in the west (Salt Lake City) and I'd prefer that the fridge be 12v and that we have the largest solar panels we can get. If there's an outdoor kitchen, I'd prefer a 12v fridge out there, too. In the clantry (closet/pantry) if there is one, there should be both 12v and 120v ac outlets. Then you could put a battery charger or battery-powered devices like portable vacuum, drill, recip saw (great for firewood) etc. Also, any outlets that are on the inverter, particularly in the bedroom where one might use a CPAP or Oxygen concentrator, should be different-colored than the non-inverter outlets. I'm short, so a camp queen wouldn't really bother me. Perhaps they could consider deleting the mattress out of the sale package--making it an option-- so that people could get the mattress they want without buying something they don't.
This is a great model! Agree with the upgrades, (farmhouse color decor, bathroom mirror, bigger and better) but what is the price difference between the Western and Mid-West models?? Thanks Josh, for keeping us so well informed!
Apologies my job doesn't cross over with pricing sheets. We keep pricing on our site which is all I can reference. I don't have a general "this many dollars more" reference for you
We have a 2023 waiting for us at our local dealer. We bought it at the Hershey show. One of the only things we didn't like was the mirror instead of a real medicine cabinet A medicine cabinet needs to be standard. We optioned the hide a bed and the 8 cubic foot 12v fridge. The smaller tanks don't bother me because we optioned the 12 volt fridge and it's nice to be able to easily swap one out if needed. We take an extra 20lb for the grill and griddle. So in effect we always have a spare One thing I did notice is that the cargo capacity specs jumped up 200lbs from what was posted earlier this year. I hope our unit has that added capacity. This will be our 2nd Jayco and probably 10th RV in 30 years and we are looking forward to "going back in time". There are a lot of advantages to stick and tin units and we will not go back to laminated anything. Great review as always!
Overall, in any towable especially smaller units (pocket door please) if possible, I think most if not all true towable buyers will pay more or sacrifice a few inches, The Travel Trailer Man.
Thanks Josh for your great videos. Always the good and bad. I have learned so much from watching your website. I was a little worried that when it changed hands to Bish's. You are still the best channel out there. Thanks again for your honesty.
Camp queen shouldn’t bother anyone as long as there’s room for the true queen. You’re going to throw that factory supplied camper away anyway! Thanks nerd! Love your channel. Didn’t realize it was that hot out west this week!
I definitely prefer the western unit. I live in Florida and I can’t imagine why anyone wouldn’t want a larger fridge, a/c, propane and a medicine cabinet!! I love Jayco but that seems really shortsighted
We just looked at one of these, we noticed that furnace is in a different place. I like this version because of the extra outside storage compartment under the water heater. Oh and they put the stripes on the doors!
The command Centre could be a cleaner arrangement, a sliding door to bathroom could work, I'm over 6 ft and a true queen should be standard, I didn't see a water miser in the shower, the cottage is preferred, full med cabinet is the way to go.
Hey Uncle Josh hope you're having a great day? I really like this Jay flight 265RLS. The setup is perfect, I wish all the jay flights were the setup like the western built models. When I say that I mean the size of the refrigerator size, the floor to ceiling height. Plus the water holding tank should be the same size on every unit! If the unit comes with one door or two doors the windows in the doors should come with a shade in them from the factory. All the bathrooms should have the big 11 inch max air fan!but other then that I really think this is a great unit. Thank you Uncle Josh for all the information the good and the bad that you give us! Your number one fan an friend Leonard from NC.
After seeing the western model my question is why even offer the east model. So many more good choices with this unit over the east. The one thing I would change is the table, everyone should do away with those knee knckers and go to a floating table.
Boise, Idah❤me!! I love your videos. In regard to this specific model…I don’t think the 2nd entry door into the bedroom is necessary. I think that it takes up too much floor and wall space. But as with almost all models I HATE the 3 burner stove tops. One frying pan fits nicely to cook up some breakfast but then doesn’t allow enough space to use the other 2 burners. Even putting a pot of water on one of the burners takes up space needed to use the other 2 burners effectively. I wish they would make the 3 burner range into a 2 burner one. Keep the stove top the same size just with 2 burners. Another thing I see with this model is the TV being too far from the living room area. You are right though it’s a nice couples floor plan but it isn’t one I would purchase. We purchased from Bishs in Meridian, Idaho. We have a Crossroads 299QB. I lived in it full time from April through October 2022. Absolutely love it and am looking forward to spending this next season in it full time again.
I got the 22 rls. Having the window in the side of the slide would make a big difference. I am going to add a medicine cabinent before spring time. Having the vents in the floor and gaining 2 more drawers would be great. This model doesnt have much storage, but for just me and my son its amazing. AND we tow it with a half ton. The truck drinks gas like a divorced pirate but holds the road with confidence. I really enjoy your videos, thanks for taking the time.
I’d move the sleeper sofa where the recliners are and put a pull down bunk above it instead of the cabinets. It would make it more family friendly as I consider taking grandkids camping, yet still have a couples camper the rest of the time.
Oh, I agree! Put the sofa where the recliners are. That would work with the slide issue, too, right Josh? Then I'd like a work station/desk where the sofa was originally.
I would love to see the option for replacing the recliners with a desk/workspace setup for those of us who can now take our work on the road. Imagine, a desk built for two users and maybe file cabinet/storage on either end. Add a 120v outlet on either side, too. You could then replace the jackknife sleeper with theater seating. Why? Now you have a great couple’s camper that has eating space, relaxing space, and work space. Hmmmmm?
I guess you could say that this floorplan and most other rear living room travel trailers are kind of simular to average 5th wheels from about 20 years ago, but with flat panel tvs and some other recent technology made standard.
Welcome to my state!!!! I'm way up north though (the beautiful part of the state) lol This is a nice model. I think the larger refrigerator is really nice.
I live in Joliet, iL. I like this model but I would have to have the bigger refrigerator and the 80 gallon fresh water and 60 gallon propane. We plan on boondocking a lot. We won't be starting for a while.
We have this floor plan on a Jayco Whitehawk. Bathroom door is hinged on other side so bathroom is still accessible in road-mode from both sides. I have more counter but no pantry on the left of fridge. I like that change. I like the why-not pocket. The recliner by the door/behind counter - yes you can see above it, but it’s my biggest dislike. Ours came with true queen. But this model has been great and was our choice in part because of the road-mode ability which we’ve put to good use during trips. Nice changes though. We are in central Calif, and yes - holy cow - it’s hot 🥵 out here. 😂. Thanks Josh
Yeah that was the only day I ever had to literally just stop recording and cool off myself. I've had the camera overheat but never personally got cooked like that before
We have this floorplan in the Whitehawk version. Great living room space and the slide and rear windows bring in the outside views. My only complaint is kitchen storage is very small but this one addresses that with the pantry.
I would like to see them integrate with any solar I might buy off of eBay. With plans on using an electric truck, I really want to be able to run as much as possible off of the solar panels.
I would like to see the western version available nationwide as well, as for the short queen, most of us are going to replace the factory mattress anyway, so as long as a full queen will fit it really isn't a deal breaker. The twelve volt fridge would be my choice, I'd keep the recliners in back, if it were an option, I might replace that sofa with theater seats.
But Josh, it's a dry heat...brahahaha 🤣🌅🔥🔥🔥 The bigger water/grey water tanks make more sense out here in the west. We typically have to travel farther or we are boondocking in the desert (117°) this past summer. I'd swap the theater seats/recliners to where the tri fold sleeper is and then make the dinette a desk with 2 chairs making it multi purpose. The bigger fridge and propane tanks are a must have. I could see where most if not all west coast options would be appreciated on the east coast. Sending love from San Diego.❤❤❤😘🏄♀️🏝
The cabinets over the bed would be nicer if there were doors in front. Do they make this in a laminated model? And yes a full queen would be much better.
They don’t currently make one exactly like this layout in a laminated model. Interestingly, this floorplan, the ones popular, has really phased out of most of the industry.
I really like this one. Better than the other Jayco you posted today. We just don't need bunkhouse. I will say, the theater seats are pretty far away from the TV.
Love this floorplan with the recliners, the much nicer darker decor and the standard attached ladder👍but a $40,000 stick and tin trailer should also have a porcelain toilet, a real bathroom fan and a decent standard solar package😕
For a unit this big, it really has a skimpy kitchen, particularly counter space. I would prefer that they get rid of the chairs at the end and use that space to enhance or move the kitchen. With both dinette and couch you don't need those chairs. By doing so, the entertainment center could be moved to be across from the sofa.
I would like to see the dark wood also be done with the light color. Too much contrast in color. A full size queen is a needed for my 6'7" husband. There were some nice features here. I do like this style sofa better than the theater ones. I noticed that inside the full storage it has wood frame on the top instead of aluminum. Which is stronger? How does this compare to Forest River products? I like the extra solar plug options Forest River and some other features that are standard that didn't seem to be standard.
Forest River makes an entire variety of things. You really need to compare again specific brands like Wildwood or Cherokee. It will be a very comparable head to head in that kind of segment.
Jayco owner here. Quality all the way around. I like how open the kitchen/living/dining area is. I dislike the radius shower. Could Jayco possibly swap the shower and toilet to make a nice big shower. I know it would sacrifice the large closet and outside storage, but, maybe engineer a smaller closet behind the shower that opens from the bedroom?? Just a little creative thinking on my part. I’ve always wondered why the same models are different depending on where they are built (east vs west). Maybe you could do a video explaining this. I for one, don’t think it makes sense. Thanks again, Josh!
Dual fuel would work best for us because we boom dock most of the time. Love the way this is laid out. Would love to this layout in the Indiana models.
Those kitchen counters aren't my favorite. They stick into the isle and usually hinder road mode. I prefer the galley style kitchen as it usually has a little more prep space.
What I hate the most the thin wood panel cover that goes to water tank and where you close the water tank. In that in most camper why don't they up a small sliding door or cabinet door because screwing in and off when winterize is going to worn it out.
I like all the seating, and I like the recliners (even more if they rock). The recliner in the corner is useless when the sofa is folded down and there would be a death match to see you got to recline if there was a theater seat where the sofa is. I'm pleasantly surprised at the weight. Tv is in a bad place, but there really insn't much that can be done about it.
Take the propane refrigerator. I have a 12-volt Furrion that works very well, but stops at rest areas and rustic campgrounds require more watt hours from the battery. The gas units work very well and consume very little propane.
This was recorded much early this year because today the high was 32 degrees. Hot weather, I love it, 100 degrees is the best cycling weather. Nice layout and design. Get this, I am having Bish's in Meridian preform a Gen and chassis engine service and a Fleetwood recall on our Bounder, (I am paying for it) because the service at Bish's is fantastic.
Boise resident here.... I would go with the option for the 12v fridge, simply for off grid. However, one could debate that the gas fridge off grid is just as efficient and reliable.
Love this RV. We had a Jayco hybrid before getting our Grand Design and were very happy with the quality. Speaking of Grand Design, 🙄😁 I see Bish's has a 245rl in Idaho Falls(close to you?) and one in Davenport, IA. Gonna be near either location soon? Sorry Uncle Josh, you know I will keep asking for a video on one until you do one or they stop making them.
Hey Josh. We just took delivery of this 2023 model. We previously had this same floorplan in a White Hawk. One thing bummed me out just a little. We live in Pa and the version we got does not have that very cool extra outside compartment. The furnace is there instead.
The western built is better than the Indiana. Switch out the booth for a MEGAdinofa No big deal on the bed, we will buy a queen size purple mattress. We are in Minnesota
Uncle Josh, I do not care for the floor mounted heater vents especially by the entrance door in front of the recliners and in the kitchen / cabinet area.
I don’t really have the experience necessary to offer a good answer to this one for you. I know that at my home store we’ve never added one to an RV that didn’t already have it as customers generally found the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze.
Ooo this is nice! Just one question: what is under the stove? You had everything open so I’m guessing it doesn’t open but just curious what’s there? Fun to see warm weather on this chilly day (9 degrees in No. Wisc) As always you do a great job and our fav nerd!
There is a lot to like about this design, but I will *ALWAYS* prefer bigger windows instead of overhead storage. I will also *NEVER* consider a trailer with a radius shower. I would consider this model if it had a rectangular shower. This would be better, as you note, with a full queen mattress from the factory and I would prefer it without the door in the bedroom, which would allow for a longer awning.
@@elizabethscharnell9787 I don't like feeling cramped in a shower. If necessary I can accept some other compromises in space to have a larger bathroom space with a rectangular shower.
Please don't discriminate against us easterners. Bigger is better on all components and we DEFINITELY NEED and WANT that medicine cabinet! 😂 But really!
Does this mean the new 267 BHS is a top option for all us family campers? Any indications if Jayco is extending their 4-seasons ratings to these new JayFlight models? For all us Canadian (and North Michigan) campers. 😂😂
Hi Josh can you show how to lower the jack leg because we bought 2022 jayco jay flight 28bhs and we had to lift up to max and 2 wood block to remove it off of truck. The dealer told us to lower But I want to make sure I do it right and how high can I put it.
My gosh, dude. How hot was it when you were filming? I like the farmhouse look, but I've always wondered; can the upholstery be ordered in different colors, or are they DiYable easily enough that folk just normally do it themselves? I don't know how I feel about the two chairs, personally. I think there's enough seating in there already that the two chairs just feel like Missing Storage Space rather than anything actually contributory, but I like the window so I'd also be conflicted about losing it in favor of a closet/pantry and storage bench combo. Maybe a smaller window to allow for storage and a single chair? This Midwestern chick desires mud-shoes / snow boot and coat drop-off as close to the door as possible (or extra pantry / storage space) for longer stays, but can't deny the appreciation for natural light.
I don’t know but it was the first time I ever literally stopped just to physically cool off. I have always been able to gut thru it but that day finally got the best of me
I like the front on this one, would prefer a 12v refrigerator, recliners, jackknife sofa with storage, and the camp queen is fine. I maybe looking at a used 2023 in a couple of years. Michigan
The entire Jay flight family changed almost violently last year What was known as “jay flight” with feature like the window trim is gone What was known was “slx” remains with a simpler trim package and is called simply Jay flight
I definitely could get behind more standardization between the west and east plants. And I think that with the increase of solar, the 12v fridge makes a ton more sense than the gas/electric
I do remember the summers and falls in the intermountain west when I used to drive a semi cross county. It’d be hot as hell in the daytime, but by 10-midnight, it would dip down to the low 60s and even 50s and be absolutely perfect sleeping weather.
Love an open window in weather like that
Like this one very much. I'm in Kansas need large ac here too. As an upholsterer single recliners are best because of replacement or repairs . Theatre seats would both need to be sent to trash if 1 has major problems. Singles can easily be replaced...just a thought.True queen is a must.
I am in Nebraska so big a/c is a must. I would like a 12v (w/adequate solar). Please upgrade all units to the western option. I like farmhouse decor and would go w/theater or a storage sofa. Yes, add the medicine cabinet in bathroom. Strongly dislike the radius shower. Makes this unit unusable for me as being disabled I have to have room for a shower chair to be used. However for most people I'm sure it's adequate. A residential Queen is a big deal for me so I appreciate those when they are used. I get that most people replace their trailer mattresses and I probably would too but I just hate having to replace it immediately. Manufacturers need to understand that being able to use standardized size bedding is a huge deal. Most people don't want to have to buy special sheets or wrangle with their standard size sheets to make them try and fit. At least for me it's a big deal and I think most campers especially women would feel that way since they generally are the ones handling purchasing the bedding and making up the beds. The Western models are better equipped for boondocking with larger propane and water tanks and I think most people would like to have that available. I know I would.
Coming from owning a Rocky Mountain 245rlsw I do like the room this model seems to offer, but a true queen bed is a must. I would get a12 for fridge for this as well, the dual fuel just don't seem ţo work well in lower temperatures. I do appreciate the upgraded water capacity and it has been a marriage saver! I wish companies would upgrade the gray water tank accordingly. Every three days I am draining the gray water, when boondocking.
2-way fridges are known to struggle in higher/lower temps
Love this lay out. 8cubic 2way fridge for late season boondocking with the trifold. Bc adult kids join on the fall. (From the great white north)
Ty ken
Wow I love the western edition. Would want the full queen though. Love farm house interior too. Thanks for what you do Josh.
Love this western model has all the right features in the right place
My opinion is you can't have to much water or propane. 10 cubic foot compressor fridge all the way. They just work better in the hot and humid summer here in north eastern oklahoma.
I never exchange propane tanks anyway. It's much cheaper to get them refilled and you actually get 20 pounds of propane instead of 15.
They DEFINITELY do keep stuff cooler so much better when its extra hot/cold
12v fridge all day for me. I live in the PNW, but it doesn't matter. The new LFP batteries can run those all day long no problem with only a little solar power. This is an awesome couples model, if you are both super short. Baby queen is a no go, and I am 5' 9".
Ty for the regional insights
I like rear kitchen with the dinette across from sofa for better conversation areas.
Stay cool Josh! Floor vents are not ideally located... love the larger fresh water tank and overall size.
Reminds me of my 2017 23 rlsw which I totally love. I do like the additional door and cabinets in the potty room.
Yeah, it’s kind of just a big expanded version of that isn’t it?
I like the layout and wish more had the option or chairs like that or theater seats in the smaller sizes. I always like bigger water tanks. The fridge I want what works best if you are off grid. The bed it really depends on the quality of the mattresses. If I am just going to replace it I rather have the cheapest option so the smaller one. If it is a good one I would keep queen all the way. The one thing for me is the height. I am taller so I don't want to be hitting my head all the time.
Your name had me rolling buddy I love it🤣
I'm in the west (Salt Lake City) and I'd prefer that the fridge be 12v and that we have the largest solar panels we can get. If there's an outdoor kitchen, I'd prefer a 12v fridge out there, too.
In the clantry (closet/pantry) if there is one, there should be both 12v and 120v ac outlets. Then you could put a battery charger or battery-powered devices like portable vacuum, drill, recip saw (great for firewood) etc. Also, any outlets that are on the inverter, particularly in the bedroom where one might use a CPAP or Oxygen concentrator, should be different-colored than the non-inverter outlets.
I'm short, so a camp queen wouldn't really bother me. Perhaps they could consider deleting the mattress out of the sale package--making it an option-- so that people could get the mattress they want without buying something they don't.
Still love this channel.
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This is a great model! Agree with the upgrades, (farmhouse color decor, bathroom mirror, bigger and better) but what is the price difference between the Western and Mid-West models?? Thanks Josh, for keeping us so well informed!
Apologies my job doesn't cross over with pricing sheets. We keep pricing on our site which is all I can reference. I don't have a general "this many dollars more" reference for you
Cottage interior, 12 volt large fridge, Western states, larger tanks and sealed underneath, theater recliner, true queen bed, full medicine cabinet 😉
Flip shelf for extending the kitchen counter would be an easy add.
👍🏻 love the idea
We have a 2023 waiting for us at our local dealer. We bought it at the Hershey show. One of the only things we didn't like was the mirror instead of a real medicine cabinet A medicine cabinet needs to be standard.
We optioned the hide a bed and the 8 cubic foot 12v fridge. The smaller tanks don't bother me because we optioned the 12 volt fridge and it's nice to be able to easily swap one out if needed. We take an extra 20lb for the grill and griddle. So in effect we always have a spare
One thing I did notice is that the cargo capacity specs jumped up 200lbs from what was posted earlier this year. I hope our unit has that added capacity.
This will be our 2nd Jayco and probably 10th RV in 30 years and we are looking forward to "going back in time".
There are a lot of advantages to stick and tin units and we will not go back to laminated anything.
Great review as always!
Hope it treats you well! Drop in and leave me a little update sometime
Overall, in any towable especially smaller units (pocket door please) if possible, I think most if not all true towable buyers will pay more or sacrifice a few inches, The Travel Trailer Man.
Thanks Josh for your great videos. Always the good and bad. I have learned so much from watching your website. I was a little worried that when it changed hands to Bish's. You are still the best channel out there. Thanks again for your honesty.
I try!!
Nice josh always the honest upfront guy about knowledge thes mases dont know letting them about model design different plants 😎 awesome
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I love the Western design. Would love to see this in the Midwest
Same. TY Rachel
Camp queen shouldn’t bother anyone as long as there’s room for the true queen. You’re going to throw that factory supplied camper away anyway! Thanks nerd! Love your channel. Didn’t realize it was that hot out west this week!
This wasn’t recorded think week 😜
I definitely prefer the western unit. I live in Florida and I can’t imagine why anyone wouldn’t want a larger fridge, a/c, propane and a medicine cabinet!! I love Jayco but that seems really shortsighted
I tend to agree!!
I agree with the bed issue. Hubby is 6’2””. Short is not good.
We just looked at one of these, we noticed that furnace is in a different place. I like this version because of the extra outside storage compartment under the water heater. Oh and they put the stripes on the doors!
The command Centre could be a cleaner arrangement, a sliding door to bathroom could work, I'm over 6 ft and a true queen should be standard, I didn't see a water miser in the shower, the cottage is preferred, full med cabinet is the way to go.
Yeah no showermiser offered in these as it turns out
Hey Uncle Josh hope you're having a great day? I really like this Jay flight 265RLS. The setup is perfect, I wish all the jay flights were the setup like the western built models. When I say that I mean the size of the refrigerator size, the floor to ceiling height. Plus the water holding tank should be the same size on every unit! If the unit comes with one door or two doors the windows in the doors should come with a shade in them from the factory. All the bathrooms should have the big 11 inch max air fan!but other then that I really think this is a great unit. Thank you Uncle Josh for all the information the good and the bad that you give us! Your number one fan an friend Leonard from NC.
After seeing the western model my question is why even offer the east model. So many more good choices with this unit over the east. The one thing I would change is the table, everyone should do away with those knee knckers and go to a floating table.
I like the farmhouse, dual separate recliners, but I like a 12v fridge.
That IS available btw in case I forgot to mention it
Boise, Idah❤me!!
I love your videos.
In regard to this specific model…I don’t think the 2nd entry door into the bedroom is necessary. I think that it takes up too much floor and wall space. But as with almost all models I HATE the 3 burner stove tops. One frying pan fits nicely to cook up some breakfast but then doesn’t allow enough space to use the other 2 burners. Even putting a pot of water on one of the burners takes up space needed to use the other 2 burners effectively. I wish they would make the 3 burner range into a 2 burner one. Keep the stove top the same size just with 2 burners. Another thing I see with this model is the TV being too far from the living room area. You are right though it’s a nice couples floor plan but it isn’t one I would purchase.
We purchased from Bishs in Meridian, Idaho. We have a Crossroads 299QB. I lived in it full time from April through October 2022. Absolutely love it and am looking forward to spending this next season in it full time again.
Wow! Ty for choosing our door step and thank you for all the insights
I got the 22 rls. Having the window in the side of the slide would make a big difference. I am going to add a medicine cabinent before spring time. Having the vents in the floor and gaining 2 more drawers would be great. This model doesnt have much storage, but for just me and my son its amazing. AND we tow it with a half ton. The truck drinks gas like a divorced pirate but holds the road with confidence. I really enjoy your videos, thanks for taking the time.
Ty Buster!
I’d move the sleeper sofa where the recliners are and put a pull down bunk above it instead of the cabinets. It would make it more family friendly as I consider taking grandkids camping, yet still have a couples camper the rest of the time.
Oh, I agree! Put the sofa where the recliners are. That would work with the slide issue, too, right Josh? Then I'd like a work station/desk where the sofa was originally.
It would be unsafe to have the sofa sleeper open in that position blocking the exit in an emergency
You would still have the front door for egress, and it’s possibly there’s an emergency window too. The convenience factor is the issue.
I live in Idaho and drive past that location everyday. When I was at the RV show, the guy answering my question said he met you while you were here ❤
Well, hopefully you and I can meet the next time I’m out that way
That would be great 😊
I would love to see the option for replacing the recliners with a desk/workspace setup for those of us who can now take our work on the road.
Imagine, a desk built for two users and maybe file cabinet/storage on either end. Add a 120v outlet on either side, too.
You could then replace the jackknife sleeper with theater seating. Why? Now you have a great couple’s camper that has eating space, relaxing space, and work space.
Hmmmmm?
Sounds pretty cool
I guess you could say that this floorplan and most other rear living room travel trailers are kind of simular to average 5th wheels from about 20 years ago, but with flat panel tvs and some other recent technology made standard.
Kinda yeah
Welcome to my state!!!! I'm way up north though (the beautiful part of the state) lol
This is a nice model. I think the larger refrigerator is really nice.
I always enjoy it out here!
I live in Joliet, iL. I like this model but I would have to have the bigger refrigerator and the 80 gallon fresh water and 60 gallon propane. We plan on boondocking a lot. We won't be starting for a while.
When you’re ready, we can have usually get the one that fits you!
Thanks Josh!
My pleasure Tom!
A theater seating area instead of a couch,and the biggest refrigerator that will fit.they would sell A ton,for the couples that camp with no guest.
In the Northeast. I would want it outfitted exactly like this one with the better jacks. This is a similar layout to my existing RV.
We have this floor plan on a Jayco Whitehawk. Bathroom door is hinged on other side so bathroom is still accessible in road-mode from both sides. I have more counter but no pantry on the left of fridge. I like that change. I like the why-not pocket. The recliner by the door/behind counter - yes you can see above it, but it’s my biggest dislike. Ours came with true queen. But this model has been great and was our choice in part because of the road-mode ability which we’ve put to good use during trips. Nice changes though. We are in central Calif, and yes - holy cow - it’s hot 🥵 out here. 😂. Thanks Josh
Yeah that was the only day I ever had to literally just stop recording and cool off myself. I've had the camera overheat but never personally got cooked like that before
I like it and would like the western amenities in my midwest market , thanks Josh .
Ty Michael!!
We have this floorplan in the Whitehawk version. Great living room space and the slide and rear windows bring in the outside views. My only complaint is kitchen storage is very small but this one addresses that with the pantry.
Thx John! Love I put from real owners 😊
I would like to see them integrate with any solar I might buy off of eBay. With plans on using an electric truck, I really want to be able to run as much as possible off of the solar panels.
I'm here to give Josh a thumbs up, but outta here fast because a walk-thru bathroom is a deal breaker. 😆
TY for the quick 👍🏻! Visit always appreciated :)
I would like to see the western version available nationwide as well, as for the short queen, most of us are going to replace the factory mattress anyway, so as long as a full queen will fit it really isn't a deal breaker. The twelve volt fridge would be my choice, I'd keep the recliners in back, if it were an option, I might replace that sofa with theater seats.
But Josh, it's a dry heat...brahahaha 🤣🌅🔥🔥🔥 The bigger water/grey water tanks make more sense out here in the west. We typically have to travel farther or we are boondocking in the desert (117°) this past summer. I'd swap the theater seats/recliners to where the tri fold sleeper is and then make the dinette a desk with 2 chairs making it multi purpose. The bigger fridge and propane tanks are a must have. I could see where most if not all west coast options would be appreciated on the east coast. Sending love from San Diego.❤❤❤😘🏄♀️🏝
Sure. Low humidity. But also no respite from the heat. Just pure exposure
The cabinets over the bed would be nicer if there were doors in front. Do they make this in a laminated model? And yes a full queen would be much better.
They don’t currently make one exactly like this layout in a laminated model. Interestingly, this floorplan, the ones popular, has really phased out of most of the industry.
I’d store the recliners and maybe fit an IKEA bunk bed, desk or prep area in their place.
Well, that could be very cool
I really like this one. Better than the other Jayco you posted today. We just don't need bunkhouse. I will say, the theater seats are pretty far away from the TV.
Yeah kind of a classic longer rear living
Love this floorplan with the recliners, the much nicer darker decor and the standard attached ladder👍but a $40,000 stick and tin trailer should also have a porcelain toilet, a real bathroom fan and a decent standard solar package😕
For a unit this big, it really has a skimpy kitchen, particularly counter space. I would prefer that they get rid of the chairs at the end and use that space to enhance or move the kitchen. With both dinette and couch you don't need those chairs. By doing so, the entertainment center could be moved to be across from the sofa.
It’s definitely one focused more on open living space and kitchen space. you are correct
I would like to see the dark wood also be done with the light color. Too much contrast in color. A full size queen is a needed for my 6'7" husband. There were some nice features here. I do like this style sofa better than the theater ones. I noticed that inside the full storage it has wood frame on the top instead of aluminum. Which is stronger? How does this compare to Forest River products? I like the extra solar plug options Forest River and some other features that are standard that didn't seem to be standard.
Forest River makes an entire variety of things. You really need to compare again specific brands like Wildwood or Cherokee. It will be a very comparable head to head in that kind of segment.
Jayco owner here. Quality all the way around. I like how open the kitchen/living/dining area is. I dislike the radius shower. Could Jayco possibly swap the shower and toilet to make a nice big shower. I know it would sacrifice the large closet and outside storage, but, maybe engineer a smaller closet behind the shower that opens from the bedroom?? Just a little creative thinking on my part. I’ve always wondered why the same models are different depending on where they are built (east vs west). Maybe you could do a video explaining this. I for one, don’t think it makes sense. Thanks again, Josh!
I get what you’re saying I think. Not sure what they could do but it sounds possible..
I don’t care for the control panel on the kitchen wall. They could put it on the side of the cabinet that’s at the entrance of the door better I think
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It's not bad. Wish it was standard 12 volt fridge and heated under belly
Would be my preference as well
Dual fuel would work best for us because we boom dock most of the time. Love the way this is laid out. Would love to this layout in the Indiana models.
For clarity: Indiana models have this layout, but not quite trimmed out the same way
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thank you for that information.
This helps me a lot, I'm just beginning in this.
Enjoy!
I’m in the west. 12v preferred.
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Those kitchen counters aren't my favorite. They stick into the isle and usually hinder road mode. I prefer the galley style kitchen as it usually has a little more prep space.
Welcome to the west coast Josh. Personally if we didn't have the larger fridge it would probably be very tight on food storage for a family of 4.
TY Stan
Very nice lookin Jayco 😊😊👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
What I hate the most the thin wood panel cover that goes to water tank and where you close the water tank. In that in most camper why don't they up a small sliding door or cabinet door because screwing in and off when winterize is going to worn it out.
living now in dfw texas, but was in Meridian ID (did you go in July?)....i do love the western overall plans vs the eastern plans
I think it was about then yeah
I like all the seating, and I like the recliners (even more if they rock). The recliner in the corner is useless when the sofa is folded down and there would be a death match to see you got to recline if there was a theater seat where the sofa is. I'm pleasantly surprised at the weight. Tv is in a bad place, but there really insn't much that can be done about it.
We had this layout before. If you are sitting in the recliners the TV is perfectly placed. The only downside is that there is no room for a larger TV.
Take the propane refrigerator. I have a 12-volt Furrion that works very well, but stops at rest areas and rustic campgrounds require more watt hours from the battery. The gas units work very well and consume very little propane.
They've since standardized 200w of solar to help with that. On a clear day it will offset that fridge
Gets trickier under trees and clouds of course
This was recorded much early this year because today the high was 32 degrees. Hot weather, I love it, 100 degrees is the best cycling weather. Nice layout and design. Get this, I am having Bish's in Meridian preform a Gen and chassis engine service and a Fleetwood recall on our Bounder, (I am paying for it) because the service at Bish's is fantastic.
Yeah I have a huge backlog of footage I am pushing thru
Uncle Josh, I’ve never been to Idaho so I’m really curious here, is it crazy hot out there in Idaho? 🥵 😊 Utterly appreciate you Josh! 👍 🚀🌘✨🌎☀️✨🪐
Boise resident here.... I would go with the option for the 12v fridge, simply for off grid. However, one could debate that the gas fridge off grid is just as efficient and reliable.
Ty Scott. 2-way fridges are starting to vanish quickly from the industry. Fewer are becoming available
Love this RV. We had a Jayco hybrid before getting our Grand Design and were very happy with the quality. Speaking of Grand Design, 🙄😁 I see Bish's has a 245rl in Idaho Falls(close to you?) and one in Davenport, IA. Gonna be near either location soon? Sorry Uncle Josh, you know I will keep asking for a video on one until you do one or they stop making them.
I don't believe I'll be traveling there in the near future no
Idaho Falls is on the other side of the state.
Hey Josh. We just took delivery of this 2023 model. We previously had this same floorplan in a White Hawk.
One thing bummed me out just a little. We live in Pa and the version we got does not have that very cool extra outside compartment. The furnace is there instead.
...I didn't realize they had them positioned differently. TY for the head's up
The western built is better than the Indiana.
Switch out the booth for a MEGAdinofa
No big deal on the bed, we will buy a queen size purple mattress.
We are in Minnesota
I’ve heard good things about those purple mattresses
We live in Georgia and travel out west a lot. We prefer the Western model.
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We are in NH and prefer the 12V fridge with a solar package
Ty Judi
Idaho in December is hot?? What u sweating for??? Great video Josh!!
Wasn’t December when I recorded
Sometimes I have a big backlog o am working thru
Wish they could put the kitchen in the slide...
this is screaming for a wildwood /salem vera-lounge! (11!)
Uncle Josh, I do not care for the floor mounted heater vents especially by the entrance door in front of the recliners and in the kitchen / cabinet area.
Ty
Them chicken arms were sweating in the heat? LOL
Like crazy
ROOOOOOOAD MOOOOODE!!!
Calling my name!
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8 cu ft or larger for a fridge! Larger tanks please too. We walked away from buying a Jayco last year because of the smaller tanks.
The western additions have a really good fresh capacity, thankfully. That’s one of the things I would like to see them homogenize
I've found my new windmill to tilt at, cargo carying capacity. ~1100lbs is just plain bad.
Totally fair
I definitely like the west build better. Would live to see a fireplace in it.
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Josh I love this RV but how difficult would it be to put a Aquaview's Shower Miser in this unit?
I don’t really have the experience necessary to offer a good answer to this one for you. I know that at my home store we’ve never added one to an RV that didn’t already have it as customers generally found the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze.
I like the back splash in the new units. How can I find one of those sheets so I can put it in my unit.
Jayco dealers should be able to get the material from the factory for you
Ooo this is nice! Just one question: what is under the stove? You had everything open so I’m guessing it doesn’t open but just curious what’s there?
Fun to see warm weather on this chilly day (9 degrees in No. Wisc)
As always you do a great job and our fav nerd!
It’s the furnace.
Team True Queen and Medicine Cabinet.
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There is a lot to like about this design, but I will *ALWAYS* prefer bigger windows instead of overhead storage. I will also *NEVER* consider a trailer with a radius shower. I would consider this model if it had a rectangular shower. This would be better, as you note, with a full queen mattress from the factory and I would prefer it without the door in the bedroom, which would allow for a longer awning.
Just curious, why not the radius shower? Coming from a 2011 JayFlight, it looks so much nicer.
@@elizabethscharnell9787 I don't like feeling cramped in a shower. If necessary I can accept some other compromises in space to have a larger bathroom space with a rectangular shower.
Please don't discriminate against us easterners. Bigger is better on all components and we DEFINITELY NEED and WANT that medicine cabinet! 😂 But really!
Bigger fridge is always better.
Does this mean the new 267 BHS is a top option for all us family campers? Any indications if Jayco is extending their 4-seasons ratings to these new JayFlight models? For all us Canadian (and North Michigan) campers. 😂😂
I can tell you these flights are definitely not insulated to that degree nor is that happening
Hi Josh can you show how to lower the jack leg because we bought 2022 jayco jay flight 28bhs and we had to lift up to max and 2 wood block to remove it off of truck. The dealer told us to lower But I want to make sure I do it right and how high can I put it.
Josh any idea what a decent interest rate is right now? Put a deposit down on an XPL boost and they are getting back to me soon, put 50% down.
I think you can secure around 5.99% in some cases but please don’t quote me on that
My gosh, dude. How hot was it when you were filming?
I like the farmhouse look, but I've always wondered; can the upholstery be ordered in different colors, or are they DiYable easily enough that folk just normally do it themselves? I don't know how I feel about the two chairs, personally. I think there's enough seating in there already that the two chairs just feel like Missing Storage Space rather than anything actually contributory, but I like the window so I'd also be conflicted about losing it in favor of a closet/pantry and storage bench combo. Maybe a smaller window to allow for storage and a single chair? This Midwestern chick desires mud-shoes / snow boot and coat drop-off as close to the door as possible (or extra pantry / storage space) for longer stays, but can't deny the appreciation for natural light.
I don’t know but it was the first time I ever literally stopped just to physically cool off. I have always been able to gut thru it but that day finally got the best of me
I like the front on this one, would prefer a 12v refrigerator, recliners, jackknife sofa with storage, and the camp queen is fine. I maybe looking at a used 2023 in a couple of years. Michigan
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Window's don't have wooden trim? Is that a change?
The entire Jay flight family changed almost violently last year
What was known as “jay flight” with feature like the window trim is gone
What was known was “slx” remains with a simpler trim package and is called simply Jay flight
Is the sofa a microfiber cloth ? Please say yes
Apologies I cannot recall exactly but I don’t think it is. Contact one of our local Jayco stores directly and we can verify for you
Meridian?! Welcome to my neighborhood! (But if you are suffering from heat, this video was made quite some time ago! 😂)
Yeah it was. I didnt want to blast out like 30 jayco videos in a row so I spread them out a bit