I think one of the more interesting things about Triples is that Mega Blastoise may have been designed around that format. It has 3 cannons and all moves boosted by Mega Launcher can target any opponent regardless of where they are positioned on the field in Triples
I still want Inverse rules back, but not as a full format. I want an Inverse Room move. Make Avalugg the tankiest thing in official VGC, GameFreak. I dare you.
i unironically want to see the slow and bulky ice types and the frail bug types get their revenge on the fairy and steel types. like, if they're not going to actually fix the type chart, at least give us this.
@@CJdoesntlikehandlesif you start seeing "bad" mons, I think you'd be safe to assume inverse team is coming. I think open team sheets are here to stay at least for vgc.
I think it might actually work better as a unique ability on some new mon. As someone else pointed out, a move is way too unpredictable, even with open team sheets. An ability that announces itself and both players know exactly what's happening would be better. It has to work like a terrain setter though, if it's just an aura the unpredictability returns as there would always be the possibility of just swapping the Mon
@@yemmohater2796the 5th Gen story and mechanics were some of the best in the franchise. But the pokemon design still cause my eyes physical pain thought.
The worst thing about Sky Battles is that the main reason they were added was just because of it being Pokémon’s first time in 3D and GameFreak wanting to use the new camera as much as possible
I mean thing is, the sky battles weren't even the reason these animations where everywhere. Sure, they where the reason these animations where made, however many of the Pokemon that just permanently used the flying animation in battle actually had standing animations in the code of the games. However for some reason they never actually used them, perhaps cause Gamefreak forgot to add a check for them to see if they are in a sky battle or not, so they default used the flying animation everywhere.
I do kinda wish Triples had stuck around as an option online. While they may not have been as interesting as Singles or Doubles, they had their merit and unique strategies - a niche, you might say.
While i would also love to see it back, i doubt it will be popular anyway. With how poorly optimized Scarlet and Violet are (no, dare i say, most Pokemon games as a whole), i don't think it would make for a good experience. If Gamefreak learns their lesson by delaying games with Legends ZA, and if the Swirch 2 is as powerful as a Ps4 at least (or even more) then yeah. I can see it coming back and being great. But as its stands... uhhh...
Even the gen 6 games struggled in Double Battles. I remember getting motion sickness from watching double battles in tournaments with Mega Rayquaza's ability going off as well
@@Otherface "Poorly optimized." Brother, Showdown videos featuring Gen 3 graphics are some of the most popular Pokemon videos on RUclips. I don't think the community cares as much if the graphics are glitchy or the gameplay is slow. I don't even think the actual Pokemon community cares about the graphics in the main games, that seems to be an issue other gamers who don't like Pokemon in general obsess over.
Kalos would have been so much better if instead of sky-trainer there were a bunch of inverse-trainers scattered around the region. A huge problem with sky battles was how restrictive team composition was for them, but inverse battles wouldn't have that problem. Conversely, something like sky battles really should have been limited to just a single gym or other facility, maybe a singular sky route. Point being it's a gimmick that should only require a player to switch up their team once, not every time they stumble across some random trainer unexpectedly.
Pretty much, it almost feels like those two got switched at some point in development, because there's no way someone actually thought the Sky Battles were a good idea worth scattering everywhere and Inverse battles were to be for one random guy on a late game route
As Watchhog's second strongest soldier, I appreciate the shoutout. Even if it's shouting out our misery, we'll take what we can get. Also, there's a tool for the Gen 5 games that turns everything into Triple/Rotation Battles, makes for a really fun Nuzlocke. Edit: For anyone curious, the tool for this is called _Pokemon Gen 5/6 Battle Converter,_ made by Michael Does Coding.
@LawfulWaffle Technically it's a tool, not a mod (I misremembered), it's called the _Pokemon Gen 5/6 Battle Converter,_ made by Michael Does Coding at the request of Don Schnack. You can find it on Michael's website, just google the name (I'd link it but youtube has a tendency to not like that). It's also linked in the description of Don's videos.
Triple battles were super cool, I think there were some moves that affected the whole board regardless of position so that was another avenue that could be explored on them. Also, Sky Battles gave me crippling depression and made me drop out of university.
They couldn't have bungled the introduction of Triple and Rotation battles more, with ONE random NPC who plays with them (and you only get one format or the other depending on whether you're in Black or White). They basically guaranteed them to flop in exactly the way that they did. Doesn't help that rotation battles are such a massive departure from the ordinary rules of the game, which made triple battles seem like a gimmick due to their pairing.
I remember hearing one more battle format where while fighting you get points and you use those points to exchange for a use of an item like a potion of an X attack
yeah FFA(free for all) was unofficially played before the battle royale in gen 7. there is a major distinction that in ffas the game ends when there are no pokemon on one side of the field(ideally when theres only 1 person left but due to being limited to the double battle format, it can end sooner). but with battle royales it ends when 1 person is all out of Pokemon. I think this distinction might be why it wasnt as popular
The best part about rotation battles is the fact that you can switch and attack or use a non damaging move in the same turn, which is crazy considering that individual battles have a heavy consideration on the opportunity cost of switching (that's why u might want to sac a pokemon to get a free switch) but i think if also implemented in Showdown, it would be superfun (3v3 format) might even dare to say more enjoyable than convencional individual battles
Unbound's fourth gym was entirely Inverse battles, and specializes in Normal types. It is brutal, especially on Insane Mode. "Inverse Room" was also added as an effect to R.O.W.E. and Elite Redux, with the latter giving it to *PORYGON-Z (RUN FOR YOUR LIFE)*. Wide Guard is basically a requirement for Triples. Of course, you just know *someone* is going to run Imprison Wide Guard...
While I would always get confused at some point in them, the inverse battles were such a fun concept. I almost feel like it’d be fun if they introduced “Inverse Room” or whatever to swap the type matchups. Wouldn’t want it to have much distribution, but make it a signature move for a pokémon and it could be fun
Triples are even cooler once you realize that some moves can target anywhere, mostly those pulse-based moves boosted by Mega Launcher. So stuff like Aura Sphere could fly from your leftmost Pokémon into your opponent's leftmost (aka the rightmost from your perspective) so your side Pokémon could maybe consider them to snipe safely from the other side of the field. Healing Pulse is also such a move so even though your side Pokémon can't normally reach eachother for support, that move can! Or just use Surf three times that's also just hilarious
The funny thing is, with how they've added walking AND flying animations for pokemon that can fly/float, a sky battle gimmick could be re-implemented if Game Freak wanted to and it wouldn't be so confusing who is/isn't legal. Whether or not it is interesting enough to bring back though... Also loved the Battle Royale style that fans created before Sun/Moon. The official mode never really felt satisfying since usually when you think of a battle royale in a game sense it's when only 1 player is left, which for the official mode wasn't always the case. Would love to see it come back as a party-style game mode you can play online, I'd play that even with randoms.
I think the biggest reason Battle Royals failed (aside from apparently needing their own specialized building?) is that it ended the moment the first person lost all of their mons. Of course, you wouldn't want to intentionally knock someone out while others still have mons, but if it does accidentally happen… fun's over! Just get rid of that and it would've been much better imo. Also the fact they made it purely as a response to fan FFAs is HILARIOUS to me
That triple battle rain team you mentioned is so satisfying. Three Water types, all with rain synergy and no shared weaknesses is quite a beautiful thing. The fact that none of them have double weaknesses is also great and the Muddy Water accuracy drops could be awful to play against. Their weaknesses are Electric/Grass, Dragon(/Fairy Gen 6 onward.), and Flying/Poison/Bug respectively. Due to Water STAB and Rain, there's little need for coverage, except against Water-resistant and Water-immune targets. Kingdra has Hurricane, which hits non-adjacent targets, and all three of them can learn Ice Beam and Blizzard. Sadly, only Ludicolo can learn Grass moves, but it's not that terrible of a drawback since you're better off running STAB and Rain boosted water moves that are resisted than non STAB moves that aren't super-effective. (3/2) x (3/2) x (1/2) = 9/8 > 1
Sky battles were just one of those things where you'd accidentally run into a sky battle trainer and then realize you only have 1 flying type and get pummeled
Inverse Battles felt like they were meant to be an ability that Zygarde could access in the scrapped Pokemon Z - he's meant to be the counter to Yveltal and Xerneas, but they're each immune to one of his STABs. However, an inverse battle would flip this on its head, making his attacks super effective against them, and it would also fit thematically with his underutilized "Aura Break" that inverts the aura abilities that those two Pokemon have.
I've always held out for Triples, but Showdown recently had a spotlight for a Random Triples format. And yeah, just being able to play a bunch of Triple Battles is as fun as I remember! There's absolutely no reason not to bring them back
I kinda miss Tripple battles, I had a fun combo that I loved pulling off. Dragonite with Skydrop, Golurk with Fly, and finally some sort of AOE move. Since Golurk was slower than Dragonite Skydrop would activate before Golurk's fly. So Dragonite would kidnap the one of the opponent's Pokemon, Golurk would follow them up, and then my Swampert would follow that up with either a Surf or Muddy Water to do some stab damage to the other 2 opponent Pokemon.
Honestly, if there were just a bunch of different ace trainers of different types where you had to only use that type, that would’ve been kinda cool. You could like battle them every day or so to get random type-based items and maybe some rare TMs, or maybe just make them really hard but make them shops for those items. I think it would work, since Game Freak wants people to like the exploration aspect of pokemon, and giving players a tough challenge to face and a good reward would work pretty well. But nope, we got…sky battles. Which are just normal fights but now I gotta use like my Talonflame and three other losers I got with me just in case.
I feel like if the specs leaks of the switch 2 are true, then triple- and rotation battles might come back. I'd especially like rotation battles now that you've gone into detail with 'em. That sounds so cool
Worth noting that all flying attacks and pulse moves can hit anyone in triple battles even if you're on the side. It can definitely lead to some degenerate moments. But we were robbed of rotation battles
I would love for battle royale or a similar mode to return to the mainlines! I remember this one match where everyone had a rain team and it quickly turned into a 1v3 as no one could stop my lead storm drain cradily. A primarina even used their signature Z-move just to +1 my "raid boss," it was hilarious!
I remember being the only person to ever post a sky battle team to the smogon forums back in the day. I was like 14 and I thought the limited selection of Pokémon was interesting but nobody agreed with me 😔
Honestly I like all of them but Gamefreak Why you make so many battle styles BUT SHOW THEM NOWHERE Not a Gym leader Not a single tournament based on it Not an option as a ruleset online F%(K IT! Not even an option on the Battle maison or the Battle Tree!!! I think in Gen 5 they tried to make the first gym into a Triple Battle but scraped it because maybe it was too complex for the first gym But Why not make the Third gym leader themed around Sky Battles You can have an Aerodactyl close to give you advantage Or force the other Pokémon to Hold an Air Balloon that’s a fun concept Why you can’t play online inverse battles? Why Sky Battles is not a rule set on any tournament?
Something I’d like to see is a FULL type matchup inversion. Like instead of what happened where like Ghost being immune to Fighting being turned into Ghost being weak to it, it’d be flipped to where now Fighting is immune to Ghost and so on. Would be interesting to see how that would work.
My fave part of triple battles is that some moves get utility in being able to hit from long ranges. This was mostly flying moves and Pulse moves. Made flying stab super valuable and even moves like Water pulse had a purpose of pulling off triple targets
Does anyone of you guys remember MULTI BATTLES? The 4 player 2 Pokemon each double battle was absolutely hilarious chaos for me and my friends since we'd have to find some sort of coordination but it just lead to trolling but I remember one time where the power of friendship allowed me and a friend to clutch up against a would have been unstoppable force
A beef I’ve had with Battle Royale is if you’re playing with the in-game trainers it goes from a 3v3v3v3 to a 9v3 and the rewards aren’t nearly good enough to make up for it. 1 BP for losing and then only 2 BP for winning.
Free-For-All is a pokemon showdown battle format with rules like battle royale only in FFA's case, you have 4 seoerate players, each with a team of 6, and the battle doesn't end until only one player has any pokemon remaining. It's rather bulk focused, so games tend to take forever, but ai find it cool to be able to have 24 pokemon in a single battle.
I wasn't aware of the meta issues around sky battles at launch since 12 year old me wasn't paying that much attention to the models, I just remember not liking them because in my first playtrhough of X there were a bunch of trainers throughout the region the game wouldn't let me fight because I had the audacity to not have a hovering model pokemon on my team (I couldn't even use the box legendary, Xerneas obviously doesn't fly like Yveltal)
it would be cool if they added more types of gimmick battles, showdown has so many fun made-up ones like twisted dimension (permanent trick room), type split (removes the physical-special split), the loser's game (you win if your entire team dies before your opponent's, but self-ko moves are banned), and even some really insane ones like shared power (whenever a mon dies its ability gets added onto the rest of your team, and it stacks up) and godly gift (you're allowed one legendary on your team, and each of the other 5 mons on the team inherit one of its base stats depending on their slot), there's so much potential with this kind of thing even if it were just for temporary events like inverse battle
I have a feeling Inverse Battles are going to happen in ZA due to Zygarde stuff, could be the bosses are such a threat because of their weaknesses being inverted. If doubles had been more widespread and standard prior to SV (or even in them) Blueberry Academy could have been all Rotation Battles instead.
Back in Gen4 we had our own Battle Royale, since you can have a Double Battle with 4 people. That was the most Fun my friends and I had during High School Pokemon.
Got mention the Anti-Gamemode on Showdown being Battle Royal Randoms... It takes a tad longer than normal to generate everyone's team, then 9.99 times out of 10 one player will IMMEDIATELY leave the match even if they had viable Pokemon, then it's a coin flip if the second person gets pissed due to that or getting 2v1d and leaves, then it just becomes a regular 1v1 with awkward placements... Seriously I'm not joking when I say I have **Never** gotten a full 1v1v1v1 in that gamemode without people leaving in the first 3 turns at the absolute latest.
9:15 IIRC, multi target moves still work in Battle Royals(with a 50% damage nerf). You can KO every corner’s final pokemon with something like EQ and get 12 points.
I feel like they should bring back Battle Royals, but just have it end once only one trainer remains instead of worrying about some weird point system. Like, yeah, one or two people might need to sit still for a bit while the others finish the match, but that happens in other games all the time.
I was, as a child, completely unaware that there was such a vehement dislike for Gen 5 among Pokémon players. But as time goes on I’ve become more and more convinced that most Pokémon players are out of their fucking minds.
Triple/Rotation battles deserve so many more roses. I knew that they didn't return in gen 7 because of the in-battle assets-reminder that gen 7 added the trainer model in the battle and double battles lagged like crazy unless you were playing on a >new< Nintendo 3DS. But surely they would return for gen 8 when they would have stronger hardware right? RIGHT?!
The battle royale mode tutorial is a recurring problem in my nuzlocke runs. I don't wanna overlevel, but the NPCs always focus me for some reason. I've had to start planning sacrifices for that cursed tutorial.
Against NPCs: Triple Battles were fast and fun. Rotation Battles were annoying because the AI felt unpredictable. Sky Battles were likeable. Its been jarring to find out in recent years that people hate them. Inverse Battles were kinda neat against that one NPC in XY. Battle Royal neat for the one mandatory battle but I realised when you go back the place for them acted like a Battle Facility. The levels were set and the Pokémon felt bred and trained. This made me realise I wasn’t gonna be able to have some fun and wins unless I bred and trained a Mon specifically for it leaving me to feel sour about them. All the other battle formats at least had ways to replay against regular NPCs giving one a way to have some fun and win with whatever players were using.
Freezai ran an inverse battle tournament and the format is ridiculously unbalanced. Normal and Grass types are utterly dominant, far more dominant than any type has ever been since Gen 1. Also, regular Avalugg is MUCH better than Hisuian Avalugg because the latter is weak to Normal, which is a death sentence. Somehow Rock still manages to be a terrible defensive type even with the type chart reversed.
They really need to explore triple and rotation battles in the next main game, or something like them, make them the draw over some new gimmick that further pushes power creep
Inverse Battles should come back, but as a bug-type move. Think Trick Room, but it sets up 3 turns of type inversion. It would be a great counter in meta and actually make bug-types threatening.
Pokemon making their official battles doubles battles despite the entire game being designed for single battles, while knowing anybody who battles seriously does singles, will never not be hilarious.
I would love gen 9 triple battles! In one turn, you could set up trick room, have caly-ice get 3 ko's and thus 3 attack boosts, and have alolan ninetails set up trick room for it so it is the most physically bulky Pokémon EVER. Perfectly balanced. (With amoongus and incin in the back obviously)
I'd like to point it out that rotation battes had the potential to make tailwind and trick room viable outside of doubles, which I think is very school
Video made me nostalgic about doing Triples/Rotations in Maison back in Gen VI. I understand why they got axed in gen 7 onward bc of performance issues but I still think about how fun and engaging those formats were. Also, I still blame Sky Battles for indirectly contributing to Gengar losing Levitate for a trash ability the following gen.
inverse is pretty neat, but imo they would need to add some immunities to balance out how busted bug, grass and normal moves become. maybe rock immune to grass psychic immune to bug normal and ghost still immune to each other
I think one of the more interesting things about Triples is that Mega Blastoise may have been designed around that format. It has 3 cannons and all moves boosted by Mega Launcher can target any opponent regardless of where they are positioned on the field in Triples
I still want Inverse rules back, but not as a full format. I want an Inverse Room move.
Make Avalugg the tankiest thing in official VGC, GameFreak. I dare you.
i feel like inverse room would totally turn every (closed team sheet) match into a coin flip
Ah a fellow avalugg Stan I see...
i unironically want to see the slow and bulky ice types and the frail bug types get their revenge on the fairy and steel types. like, if they're not going to actually fix the type chart, at least give us this.
@@CJdoesntlikehandlesif you start seeing "bad" mons, I think you'd be safe to assume inverse team is coming. I think open team sheets are here to stay at least for vgc.
I think it might actually work better as a unique ability on some new mon. As someone else pointed out, a move is way too unpredictable, even with open team sheets. An ability that announces itself and both players know exactly what's happening would be better. It has to work like a terrain setter though, if it's just an aura the unpredictability returns as there would always be the possibility of just swapping the Mon
Gen 5 was seriously cooking with Triple and Rotation battles, as if the main course wasn’t good enough
rotation battles are mid af
@@SuperM789 you just don't see the vision sadly
I’m so glad people are done pretending Gen 5 is shit
@@yemmohater2796the 5th Gen story and mechanics were some of the best in the franchise. But the pokemon design still cause my eyes physical pain thought.
Too bad Gen 6 made the tables too small so most of the meal just ended falling on the floor.
The worst thing about Sky Battles is that the main reason they were added was just because of it being Pokémon’s first time in 3D and GameFreak wanting to use the new camera as much as possible
Unfortunately, it came at the cost of some Flying type pokemon with lifeless animations.
I mean thing is, the sky battles weren't even the reason these animations where everywhere. Sure, they where the reason these animations where made, however many of the Pokemon that just permanently used the flying animation in battle actually had standing animations in the code of the games. However for some reason they never actually used them, perhaps cause Gamefreak forgot to add a check for them to see if they are in a sky battle or not, so they default used the flying animation everywhere.
@@hamdepaf6686: the standing animations were for the Amie feature.
@ ah, makes sense, doesn't really change that they should have been used for normal non sky battles tho.
Qwillian Shakespeare and Sawkrates are my favorite poets
Sawkrates was a philosopher
@DaveAdams222 No, he was a fighting type
@@lordgrub12345In ancient Unova you were expected to be both
Big fan of his seminal work "Throhmeo and Mewtwoliette".
My wife left me so that she could become a Sky Battle streamer, so I definitely have a bias against them.
cannot express how much i NEED free-for-alls to come back
I do kinda wish Triples had stuck around as an option online. While they may not have been as interesting as Singles or Doubles, they had their merit and unique strategies - a niche, you might say.
While i would also love to see it back, i doubt it will be popular anyway. With how poorly optimized Scarlet and Violet are (no, dare i say, most Pokemon games as a whole), i don't think it would make for a good experience.
If Gamefreak learns their lesson by delaying games with Legends ZA, and if the Swirch 2 is as powerful as a Ps4 at least (or even more) then yeah. I can see it coming back and being great. But as its stands... uhhh...
Even the gen 6 games struggled in Double Battles. I remember getting motion sickness from watching double battles in tournaments with Mega Rayquaza's ability going off as well
@@Otherface "Poorly optimized."
Brother, Showdown videos featuring Gen 3 graphics are some of the most popular Pokemon videos on RUclips. I don't think the community cares as much if the graphics are glitchy or the gameplay is slow.
I don't even think the actual Pokemon community cares about the graphics in the main games, that seems to be an issue other gamers who don't like Pokemon in general obsess over.
Kalos would have been so much better if instead of sky-trainer there were a bunch of inverse-trainers scattered around the region. A huge problem with sky battles was how restrictive team composition was for them, but inverse battles wouldn't have that problem.
Conversely, something like sky battles really should have been limited to just a single gym or other facility, maybe a singular sky route. Point being it's a gimmick that should only require a player to switch up their team once, not every time they stumble across some random trainer unexpectedly.
Pretty much, it almost feels like those two got switched at some point in development, because there's no way someone actually thought the Sky Battles were a good idea worth scattering everywhere and Inverse battles were to be for one random guy on a late game route
Heatran surviving that hit after all that is such a heatran moment. Nobody can stop the goat
Inverse battles: “You hear that?”
“That’s the sound of Parasect stonks”
AWWW YEAH LEAVANNY FANS BE EATIN TONIGHT
*Laughs in ground-type move*
Qwilliam Shakespeare lol
And his cousin, Qwilliam Fancyson
As Watchhog's second strongest soldier, I appreciate the shoutout. Even if it's shouting out our misery, we'll take what we can get.
Also, there's a tool for the Gen 5 games that turns everything into Triple/Rotation Battles, makes for a really fun Nuzlocke.
Edit: For anyone curious, the tool for this is called _Pokemon Gen 5/6 Battle Converter,_ made by Michael Does Coding.
Whats the mod? That sounds really interesting
Is his strongest soldier Scott the Woz?
@LawfulWaffle Technically it's a tool, not a mod (I misremembered), it's called the _Pokemon Gen 5/6 Battle Converter,_ made by Michael Does Coding at the request of Don Schnack.
You can find it on Michael's website, just google the name (I'd link it but youtube has a tendency to not like that). It's also linked in the description of Don's videos.
@@Isabelle-mp8rk I'd have gone with Lenora but Scott's definitely up there too.
while not related, find it weird how as of gen 9 that Watchog now has something in common with Delibird of all things?
should've given the Substitute balloons in a Sky Battle -- they already made it change size in XY
Ngl, you did in fact snap my ankles with the Membership plug Mr. Boosted.
I'm with you saying rotation battles would be cool with modern capabilities
Triple battles were super cool, I think there were some moves that affected the whole board regardless of position so that was another avenue that could be explored on them. Also, Sky Battles gave me crippling depression and made me drop out of university.
They couldn't have bungled the introduction of Triple and Rotation battles more, with ONE random NPC who plays with them (and you only get one format or the other depending on whether you're in Black or White). They basically guaranteed them to flop in exactly the way that they did. Doesn't help that rotation battles are such a massive departure from the ordinary rules of the game, which made triple battles seem like a gimmick due to their pairing.
I remember hearing one more battle format where while fighting you get points and you use those points to exchange for a use of an item like a potion of an X attack
Qwilliam Shakespeare 🔥 ✍️
Fun fact, in triple battles. Pulse moves can hit anywhere them want. Like heal, dragon, and water pulse.
yeah FFA(free for all) was unofficially played before the battle royale in gen 7. there is a major distinction that in ffas the game ends when there are no pokemon on one side of the field(ideally when theres only 1 person left but due to being limited to the double battle format, it can end sooner). but with battle royales it ends when 1 person is all out of Pokemon. I think this distinction might be why it wasnt as popular
The Chavo Guerrero theme in a pokemon video I've seen it all.
The best part about rotation battles is the fact that you can switch and attack or use a non damaging move in the same turn, which is crazy considering that individual battles have a heavy consideration on the opportunity cost of switching (that's why u might want to sac a pokemon to get a free switch) but i think if also implemented in Showdown, it would be superfun (3v3 format) might even dare to say more enjoyable than convencional individual battles
I never really though much about the metagames of gimmick battles, but it makes complete sense that certain pokemon become crazy good with more help.
I miss triples so much. I loved being able to bring my entire in game team in to battle facilities with improved EVs and such.
Shofu was such a competitive legend. Decent amount of folks probably don't know how much he used to stream singles battles.
A Shofu shoutout followed with an outrageous Blunder clip and some Pokeaim footage as dessert? The taste on show in this video is immaculate 😭
Unbound's fourth gym was entirely Inverse battles, and specializes in Normal types. It is brutal, especially on Insane Mode.
"Inverse Room" was also added as an effect to R.O.W.E. and Elite Redux, with the latter giving it to *PORYGON-Z (RUN FOR YOUR LIFE)*.
Wide Guard is basically a requirement for Triples. Of course, you just know *someone* is going to run Imprison Wide Guard...
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i've never heard of this but sounds like so much fun
While I would always get confused at some point in them, the inverse battles were such a fun concept. I almost feel like it’d be fun if they introduced “Inverse Room” or whatever to swap the type matchups. Wouldn’t want it to have much distribution, but make it a signature move for a pokémon and it could be fun
Triples are even cooler once you realize that some moves can target anywhere, mostly those pulse-based moves boosted by Mega Launcher.
So stuff like Aura Sphere could fly from your leftmost Pokémon into your opponent's leftmost (aka the rightmost from your perspective) so your side Pokémon could maybe consider them to snipe safely from the other side of the field. Healing Pulse is also such a move so even though your side Pokémon can't normally reach eachother for support, that move can!
Or just use Surf three times that's also just hilarious
GAME FREAK AND THE POKEMON COMPANY INTERNATIONAL
MAKE AN OFFICIAL TRIPLE BATTLE CIRCUIT
AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!
The funny thing is, with how they've added walking AND flying animations for pokemon that can fly/float, a sky battle gimmick could be re-implemented if Game Freak wanted to and it wouldn't be so confusing who is/isn't legal. Whether or not it is interesting enough to bring back though...
Also loved the Battle Royale style that fans created before Sun/Moon. The official mode never really felt satisfying since usually when you think of a battle royale in a game sense it's when only 1 player is left, which for the official mode wasn't always the case. Would love to see it come back as a party-style game mode you can play online, I'd play that even with randoms.
I think the biggest reason Battle Royals failed (aside from apparently needing their own specialized building?) is that it ended the moment the first person lost all of their mons. Of course, you wouldn't want to intentionally knock someone out while others still have mons, but if it does accidentally happen… fun's over! Just get rid of that and it would've been much better imo.
Also the fact they made it purely as a response to fan FFAs is HILARIOUS to me
00:47 - “For some reason”
Hope we get Triple and Rotation Battles in the Gen 5 remakes 🙏
"Where am I gonna get Rotation Battle footage from a 13 year old game?"
Shofu:"Bet."
8:41 they changed that in SV. If a flying/ levitating pokemon used substitute, the doll floats now.
You forgot to mention that Triple Battles allows pulse moves to ignore the rule of adjacent target only
As a prediction-heavy teen I LOVED rotation battles. The dopamine of pulling hard read after hard read was unmatched.
My greatest regret is once hitting top 25 on showdowns sky battle ladder…
I truly wasted my life there
That triple battle rain team you mentioned is so satisfying. Three Water types, all with rain synergy and no shared weaknesses is quite a beautiful thing. The fact that none of them have double weaknesses is also great and the Muddy Water accuracy drops could be awful to play against. Their weaknesses are Electric/Grass, Dragon(/Fairy Gen 6 onward.), and Flying/Poison/Bug respectively. Due to Water STAB and Rain, there's little need for coverage, except against Water-resistant and Water-immune targets. Kingdra has Hurricane, which hits non-adjacent targets, and all three of them can learn Ice Beam and Blizzard. Sadly, only Ludicolo can learn Grass moves, but it's not that terrible of a drawback since you're better off running STAB and Rain boosted water moves that are resisted than non STAB moves that aren't super-effective. (3/2) x (3/2) x (1/2) = 9/8 > 1
Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
& yeah, would love to see these come back!
Sky battles were just one of those things where you'd accidentally run into a sky battle trainer and then realize you only have 1 flying type and get pummeled
1:51 porygon2 “am I a joke to u”
Inverse Battles felt like they were meant to be an ability that Zygarde could access in the scrapped Pokemon Z - he's meant to be the counter to Yveltal and Xerneas, but they're each immune to one of his STABs. However, an inverse battle would flip this on its head, making his attacks super effective against them, and it would also fit thematically with his underutilized "Aura Break" that inverts the aura abilities that those two Pokemon have.
I've always held out for Triples, but Showdown recently had a spotlight for a Random Triples format.
And yeah, just being able to play a bunch of Triple Battles is as fun as I remember!
There's absolutely no reason not to bring them back
I kinda miss Tripple battles, I had a fun combo that I loved pulling off. Dragonite with Skydrop, Golurk with Fly, and finally some sort of AOE move. Since Golurk was slower than Dragonite Skydrop would activate before Golurk's fly.
So Dragonite would kidnap the one of the opponent's Pokemon, Golurk would follow them up, and then my Swampert would follow that up with either a Surf or Muddy Water to do some stab damage to the other 2 opponent Pokemon.
Honestly, if there were just a bunch of different ace trainers of different types where you had to only use that type, that would’ve been kinda cool. You could like battle them every day or so to get random type-based items and maybe some rare TMs, or maybe just make them really hard but make them shops for those items. I think it would work, since Game Freak wants people to like the exploration aspect of pokemon, and giving players a tough challenge to face and a good reward would work pretty well. But nope, we got…sky battles. Which are just normal fights but now I gotta use like my Talonflame and three other losers I got with me just in case.
Quilliam Shakespeare was a legendary poet. He was truly ahead of his time!
I feel like if the specs leaks of the switch 2 are true, then triple- and rotation battles might come back. I'd especially like rotation battles now that you've gone into detail with 'em. That sounds so cool
Worth noting that all flying attacks and pulse moves can hit anyone in triple battles even if you're on the side. It can definitely lead to some degenerate moments.
But we were robbed of rotation battles
I would love for battle royale or a similar mode to return to the mainlines! I remember this one match where everyone had a rain team and it quickly turned into a 1v3 as no one could stop my lead storm drain cradily. A primarina even used their signature Z-move just to +1 my "raid boss," it was hilarious!
Rotation battles really were so cool. I hope one day someone makes a romhack completely focused on that mode because the theoretical depth is insane.
I remember being the only person to ever post a sky battle team to the smogon forums back in the day. I was like 14 and I thought the limited selection of Pokémon was interesting but nobody agreed with me 😔
I'm shaking in my rocky boots at the thought of reverse battles.
Honestly I like all of them but Gamefreak
Why you make so many battle styles BUT SHOW THEM NOWHERE
Not a Gym leader
Not a single tournament based on it
Not an option as a ruleset online
F%(K IT!
Not even an option on the Battle maison or the Battle Tree!!!
I think in Gen 5 they tried to make the first gym into a Triple Battle but scraped it because maybe it was too complex for the first gym
But
Why not make the Third gym leader themed around Sky Battles
You can have an Aerodactyl close to give you advantage
Or force the other Pokémon to Hold an Air Balloon that’s a fun concept
Why you can’t play online inverse battles?
Why Sky Battles is not a rule set on any tournament?
Fun thing about Triple Battles: Flying type attacks can target any mon from any position regardless of the user's type.
Something I’d like to see is a FULL type matchup inversion. Like instead of what happened where like Ghost being immune to Fighting being turned into Ghost being weak to it, it’d be flipped to where now Fighting is immune to Ghost and so on. Would be interesting to see how that would work.
For every bird that T poses in the air, Game Freak killed one of my family members.
My fave part of triple battles is that some moves get utility in being able to hit from long ranges.
This was mostly flying moves and Pulse moves. Made flying stab super valuable and even moves like Water pulse had a purpose of pulling off triple targets
Does anyone of you guys remember MULTI BATTLES? The 4 player 2 Pokemon each double battle was absolutely hilarious chaos for me and my friends since we'd have to find some sort of coordination but it just lead to trolling but I remember one time where the power of friendship allowed me and a friend to clutch up against a would have been unstoppable force
A beef I’ve had with Battle Royale is if you’re playing with the in-game trainers it goes from a 3v3v3v3 to a 9v3 and the rewards aren’t nearly good enough to make up for it.
1 BP for losing and then only 2 BP for winning.
I would love if triple battles were to come back (and I guess rotation battles) especially after the Switch 2 announcement
Sky battles burned my crops, poisoned my water supply, and delivered a plague unto my household.
Shofu's name popping up gave me a ratatouille moment and my knees and back stopped hurting from being old as shit
They should have expanded on sky battles with underwater battles, that only let's you use fish and other swimming mons
Maybe there should be deep sea/open ocean battle to mirror the mid air battles with swimming Pokemon models
Nearly choked on my cereal at that battle royale intro
Free-For-All is a pokemon showdown battle format with rules like battle royale only in FFA's case, you have 4 seoerate players, each with a team of 6, and the battle doesn't end until only one player has any pokemon remaining. It's rather bulk focused, so games tend to take forever, but ai find it cool to be able to have 24 pokemon in a single battle.
This is insane folks
I wasn't aware of the meta issues around sky battles at launch since 12 year old me wasn't paying that much attention to the models, I just remember not liking them because in my first playtrhough of X there were a bunch of trainers throughout the region the game wouldn't let me fight because I had the audacity to not have a hovering model pokemon on my team (I couldn't even use the box legendary, Xerneas obviously doesn't fly like Yveltal)
it would be cool if they added more types of gimmick battles, showdown has so many fun made-up ones like twisted dimension (permanent trick room), type split (removes the physical-special split), the loser's game (you win if your entire team dies before your opponent's, but self-ko moves are banned), and even some really insane ones like shared power (whenever a mon dies its ability gets added onto the rest of your team, and it stacks up) and godly gift (you're allowed one legendary on your team, and each of the other 5 mons on the team inherit one of its base stats depending on their slot), there's so much potential with this kind of thing even if it were just for temporary events like inverse battle
_Babe, wake up, new Moxie Boosted video just dropped_
I have a feeling Inverse Battles are going to happen in ZA due to Zygarde stuff, could be the bosses are such a threat because of their weaknesses being inverted. If doubles had been more widespread and standard prior to SV (or even in them) Blueberry Academy could have been all Rotation Battles instead.
Moxiecan : confirmed
Back in Gen4 we had our own Battle Royale, since you can have a Double Battle with 4 people. That was the most Fun my friends and I had during High School Pokemon.
9:40 not going to lie that was one of the main reasons i watched Duncan knee deep/can't die good memories.
Got mention the Anti-Gamemode on Showdown being Battle Royal Randoms... It takes a tad longer than normal to generate everyone's team, then 9.99 times out of 10 one player will IMMEDIATELY leave the match even if they had viable Pokemon, then it's a coin flip if the second person gets pissed due to that or getting 2v1d and leaves, then it just becomes a regular 1v1 with awkward placements... Seriously I'm not joking when I say I have **Never** gotten a full 1v1v1v1 in that gamemode without people leaving in the first 3 turns at the absolute latest.
9:15
IIRC, multi target moves still work in Battle Royals(with a 50% damage nerf). You can KO every corner’s final pokemon with something like EQ and get 12 points.
I feel like they should bring back Battle Royals, but just have it end once only one trainer remains instead of worrying about some weird point system. Like, yeah, one or two people might need to sit still for a bit while the others finish the match, but that happens in other games all the time.
Oh, also I agree with that random other commenter that they should make Inverse Room a thing.
Imagine a combination of Gen 7’s Battle Royale and Gen 5’s Triple Battles.
I was, as a child, completely unaware that there was such a vehement dislike for Gen 5 among Pokémon players. But as time goes on I’ve become more and more convinced that most Pokémon players are out of their fucking minds.
Triple/Rotation battles deserve so many more roses. I knew that they didn't return in gen 7 because of the in-battle assets-reminder that gen 7 added the trainer model in the battle and double battles lagged like crazy unless you were playing on a >new< Nintendo 3DS. But surely they would return for gen 8 when they would have stronger hardware right? RIGHT?!
The battle royale mode tutorial is a recurring problem in my nuzlocke runs. I don't wanna overlevel, but the NPCs always focus me for some reason. I've had to start planning sacrifices for that cursed tutorial.
When you showed my boy parasect
I unironicly yelled "Ma boy!"
That Chavo Guerrero theme 😂
Against NPCs: Triple Battles were fast and fun. Rotation Battles were annoying because the AI felt unpredictable. Sky Battles were likeable. Its been jarring to find out in recent years that people hate them. Inverse Battles were kinda neat against that one NPC in XY. Battle Royal neat for the one mandatory battle but I realised when you go back the place for them acted like a Battle Facility. The levels were set and the Pokémon felt bred and trained. This made me realise I wasn’t gonna be able to have some fun and wins unless I bred and trained a Mon specifically for it leaving me to feel sour about them. All the other battle formats at least had ways to replay against regular NPCs giving one a way to have some fun and win with whatever players were using.
Freezai ran an inverse battle tournament and the format is ridiculously unbalanced. Normal and Grass types are utterly dominant, far more dominant than any type has ever been since Gen 1.
Also, regular Avalugg is MUCH better than Hisuian Avalugg because the latter is weak to Normal, which is a death sentence. Somehow Rock still manages to be a terrible defensive type even with the type chart reversed.
They really need to explore triple and rotation battles in the next main game, or something like them, make them the draw over some new gimmick that further pushes power creep
Inverse Battles should come back, but as a bug-type move. Think Trick Room, but it sets up 3 turns of type inversion. It would be a great counter in meta and actually make bug-types threatening.
Pokemon making their official battles doubles battles despite the entire game being designed for single battles, while knowing anybody who battles seriously does singles, will never not be hilarious.
You’re not like him, but definitely cooked with Qwilliam Shakespeare
I would love gen 9 triple battles! In one turn, you could set up trick room, have caly-ice get 3 ko's and thus 3 attack boosts, and have alolan ninetails set up trick room for it so it is the most physically bulky Pokémon EVER. Perfectly balanced. (With amoongus and incin in the back obviously)
The fact that Cherrim was unironically really good in triple battles validates the entire format for me
I'd like to point it out that rotation battes had the potential to make tailwind and trick room viable outside of doubles, which I think is very school
I wish Rotation Battles could have been a more prominent thing. TheFlamingSpade's Rotation Battle videos were always a delight back in Gen 5.
Video made me nostalgic about doing Triples/Rotations in Maison back in Gen VI. I understand why they got axed in gen 7 onward bc of performance issues but I still think about how fun and engaging those formats were. Also, I still blame Sky Battles for indirectly contributing to Gengar losing Levitate for a trash ability the following gen.
Inverse was my saddest loss, we couldn't even play it in game multiplayer...
inverse is pretty neat, but imo they would need to add some immunities to balance out how busted bug, grass and normal moves become.
maybe rock immune to grass
psychic immune to bug
normal and ghost still immune to each other