Side by Side Comparison...Pelican Catch 120 and Lifetime Yukon 116!

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  • @Strikeslip
    @Strikeslip 2 года назад +9

    That was the best kayak review I've ever seen, and I've been watching a ton. I'm researching to get one for my dog and I. I'm 235lbs and my dog is 90lbs. We're just looking to relax along some smooth waterways. Thanks for the video. The camera work was great too!

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      Hi! Thanks for watching, and thank you so much for the kind words! Got a recommendation for you if you're not set on a specific kayak yet. I don't own one and have never used one, but my ex-wife and her husband, who we kayak with often, both have NuCanoe Frontier 12's...they are very stable with a ton of open deck space; she brings everything but the kitchen sink with her when she kayaks, and he's a big guy and often rides 1 or more of their dogs along, too. You can see in this video ruclips.net/video/vNc0KJs1oi4/видео.html both of their kayaks and how they're loaded, though I don't think any of the pups made this trip. At 1:43 in that vid, you can see Pepper and Mike at screen left, and their kayaks just beyond them. Their dogs are a good bit smaller than 90 lbs, but Mike is a good bit bigger than 235! Their kayaks, along with the Pelican and the Lifetime from this video, all perform very well on our trips, which are not always smooth, relaxing waterways, but between you and your dog, you wouldn't be leaving much margin for gear on the Lifetime. I'll be picking up a new kayak later this week, and there'll be videos to follow testing, using, and reviewing it, but I don't think it'd have room for the dog, unless he rode in the tankwell behind you. I have experience with the Pelican, the Lifetime, a Perception Striker, and an Ascend, but I know lots of people with lots of different boats, so if you have questions, ask them, and I might have or be able to get an answer for you. Stay safe!

  • @zacchurch502
    @zacchurch502 2 года назад +2

    Great review. Simple but you hit all the points and you actually show us the tipping points which I’ve not seen anyone else do. Thank you.

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      Hi, Zac, and thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it! Stay safe!

  • @PITUF.0
    @PITUF.0 Год назад

    Thank you for taking the time to review these kayaks! Very informative and fun video. My local store has the Lifetime Yukon on sale for $400 and I can't pass it up! Your family seemed to be having a blast, The young ones will cherish these memories forever 🥲

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад +1

      Hi, thanks for watching…glad you enjoyed it! $400 is a good price on the Yukon! We got my wife’s for $478, and that was a couple years ago. We had a lot of fun shooting this video, and we need to do it again with some of our other yaks. Stay Safe!

  • @michealbass5908
    @michealbass5908 Год назад +2

    I do appreciate the comparison sir. I am in the market for a fishing kayak and have settled on either the Pelican or Lifetime. I have been watching reviews of both and yours has both as a comparison. I needed this video. Thank you very much!

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад

      Hi! Thanks for watching and for the kind words. I’m glad you found it useful. While the Pelican is my favorite, you certainly can’t go wrong with either. The Pelican was my first kayak, and to this day is my goto for most trips, and the Yukon is my wife’s…we’ve been impressed with it enough that we bought another as one of our spares! Whichever you choose, good luck with it…check back by and let me know how you like it! Stay Safe!

    • @marcbazuin8687
      @marcbazuin8687 3 месяца назад

      What did you pick

    • @michealbass5908
      @michealbass5908 3 месяца назад

      @@marcbazuin8687 the Pelican catch 120. Best decision i have made:

  • @blindowl-bushcraft-survival
    @blindowl-bushcraft-survival 2 года назад +1

    wow some great looking boats, i have dreamed of getting a kayak, take care

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      Thanks, Dan! One of my favorite things about kayaking is being able to access water that boats can't! Stay safe!

  • @billb3374
    @billb3374 2 года назад

    Thanks these are the two boats I've been looking at it's nice to see them side by side.

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      Hi, Bill, and thanks for watching! Either one would serve you well…the best kayak is the one that lets you get out on the water! Stay safe!

    • @billb3374
      @billb3374 2 года назад

      @@DEADorALIVEkayaking I have a kyack already I'm just looking to upgrade.

  • @kekoadavidson581
    @kekoadavidson581 Год назад +1

    You’re the best!!!! This was a great user experience of these kayaks. Thank you!!!

  • @Robert-ly2ve
    @Robert-ly2ve 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for the comparison video it was very helpful and informative. From what I have seen the catch looks to be more stable, and Brandon had made mention that the seat is higher than the Yukon. With this helpful video and all my research I will definitely be getting a catch. Thank you again and thank you for all your great videos.

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      Our pleasure, Robert…we had fun doing it! You’re going to love the Catch, too! Stay safe!

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад +1

      By the way, if you check out my video on safety equipment and emergency preparedness, you can enter to win a knife I’m giving away towards the end of the month!

  • @davidmantia4575
    @davidmantia4575 Год назад

    That was a GREAT review. I have never seen a reviewer try and take it all the way to failure. Guess they were scared to get wet. I went with the Yukon personally because Lifetime products are Made in the USA. Most of the Pelican products are made in Canada.

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад

      Hi, David, thanks for watching and I’m glad you enjoyed it! When we bought Melinda’s Yukon, we got it (1) on recommendation of a close friend (2) because Melinda had tried one and found it stable and comfortable, and (3) because it’s a quality American made product at a very reasonable price! Stay Safe!

  • @psychopathicunity
    @psychopathicunity Год назад

    THANK YOU! This is exactly what I was looking for but I wish you had included the catch 110 on the reach test. Still very much what I was looking for

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад

      Hi, and thanks for watching...glad you found it useful...we had fun making it! I would LOVE to have included a Catch 110, but I not only don't have one, I don't have access to one. We've got 5 kayaks (3 when this vid was shot), and immediate access to 1 more. If anyone would like to see more in depth comparisons between any combination of the Catch, the Yukon, the Striker, the Bull Shark, and the FS-12, just give the word and we'll go get wet! Stay Safe!

    • @psychopathicunity
      @psychopathicunity Год назад

      @DEADorALIVEkayaking oh, I was pretty sure the green camo one was a catch 110 lol if it's not then my comment musta seemed very random 🤣🤣🤣

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад +1

      @@psychopathicunity Perception Striker 11.5, and after Morgan failed to flip it, she decided she was going to be a spectator for the rest of the shoot! LOL Stay Safe!

  • @Fishing_with_Domingo
    @Fishing_with_Domingo Год назад

    Awesome view of the kayaks! Thanks for sharing!👍💯

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад +1

      We had a great time making this video, and it's apparently been pretty useful to a lot of people. I need to get my hands on some other brands and models and do this again! Stay Safe!

    • @Fishing_with_Domingo
      @Fishing_with_Domingo Год назад

      @@DEADorALIVEkayaking Yes, you had some great information too! There are alot people that don't know what kayak to get or making a decision on one and this helps them out with your information given. Even if they are nor choosing those kayaks at least they have more information on what to look for in a kayak. Thanks again for sharing!

  • @bmf0003
    @bmf0003 Год назад

    AWESOME DOG! the kayak stuff was interesting too...

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад +1

      Hi, and thanks for watching! Chill can be the sweetest and most aggravating dog in the world at the same time, but we love her to no end! She's featured in a couple of my other videos, including the results of a DNA test we ran on her. Stay Safe!

  • @OJA1965
    @OJA1965 2 года назад +1

    Love that you rescued that sweet girl

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching! She's a great dog, too...smart, playful, and sweet-natured. We have 3 Standard Poodles, of which 2 are MUCH older, and 1 is just over a year old, so the younger of those is Chill's best friend and playmate, but we'd love to find her her very own child to match her energy...until then, she's a delight to have around and a comedian in her own right! Stay safe!

    • @OJA1965
      @OJA1965 2 года назад +1

      @@DEADorALIVEkayaking Great family of dogs.

  • @marcushalvorsen5189
    @marcushalvorsen5189 Год назад

    REALLY good thorough review. Thank you very much!

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад

      Hi, Marcus, and thanks for watching...glad you enjoyed it! Stay Safe!

  • @Offthegridfishing
    @Offthegridfishing Год назад

    You are a angel for saving that dog

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад

      Thank you. I promise you, I'm no angel, 😄 but Chill is a loved part of our family, now. Thanks for watching...Stay Safe

  • @oinc7320
    @oinc7320 2 года назад

    OK we have a pair of 120 scissors, a pair of 116 scissors, now we are going to see how far we can run with them.
    I don't know why this video reminds of that. 😕 😀
    Was interesting.
    Needed one of those RC alligator's heads in the water, coming up from behind Brandon.
    I like a little tipping in a kayak, canoe, if it has solid secondary buoyancy, a slightly rounded bottom will roll over a wave, wake. Less likely to hinge flip, one side gets lift, other digs in, as in total flat bottom.

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      Hi! Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it! I can tell you that one of those RC gator heads would likely have done him in! He was already kind of nervous! Stay safe!

  • @blindowl-bushcraft-survival
    @blindowl-bushcraft-survival Год назад +1

    thanks for all the information

  • @BaitsNWeights
    @BaitsNWeights Год назад +1

    Great Review!! Thank you

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад

      Thanks! I need to do a similar video comparing my two favorites…the Pelican and the Hammerhead. Stay Safe!

  • @geo6111
    @geo6111 6 месяцев назад

    Very indepth and informational. Thanks

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  6 месяцев назад

      Thanks, and thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it…Stay Safe!

  • @mconner262
    @mconner262 8 месяцев назад

    the sea deck looks nice on the Yukon. I have mine coming in a few weeks thing I'll do the same

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  8 месяцев назад

      You won’t be disappointed! Couple years in, now, and the SeaDek still looks brand new. One bit of advice…take your time! It’s fairly expensive stuff, and you don’t want to waste it. Let us know how it turns out, and Stay Safe!

    • @mconner262
      @mconner262 8 месяцев назад

      @@DEADorALIVEkayaking how did you measure out the individual pieces? No good videos of anyone doing that, sadly. Was thinking of tracing paper or something then tracing over the sea dek

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  8 месяцев назад

      @@mconner262 here you go… ruclips.net/video/aS-Dadj-dPg/видео.htmlsi=q3uzgy4STptOMkPC. This is pretty detailed…Be sure to watch all the way through so the mirroring effect of the templates doesn’t take you by surprise! Stay Safe!

  • @royzengerle9274
    @royzengerle9274 Год назад

    Roy Z
    Walmart has the Yukon 116.
    Who carries the Pelican 120?
    Great video. Thanks

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад

      Hi, Roy Z, and thanks for watching! I got my Catch 120 at Academy Sports, and I’ve seen them before at West Marine and Dicks Sporting Goods. Stay Safe!

  • @blindowl-bushcraft-survival
    @blindowl-bushcraft-survival 2 года назад

    being on top looks perfect to me

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      I don't think I'd even know how to get and out of a sit-in kayak anymore...sit-on is the way to go, for me! Stay safe!

  • @PartlySunnyTV
    @PartlySunnyTV Год назад

    One of the, if not THEE best kayak stability test videos on youtube! This helped me decide with my purchase. Although the pelican has better stability I went with the yukon and got one today. I have been looking for a marine mat/sea deck kit for it and cant find a darn thing. I noticed you have a very nice mat on your yukon. May I ask where you got it from?

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад +1

      Hi, thanks for watching and for the kind words! You won’t be disappointed with the Yukon…we have 2 and the only thing I can say negative about them is that the tail wheel is useless…get a cart if you have to move it any distance. The deck mat is SeaDek, here’s how I did it… ruclips.net/video/aS-Dadj-dPg/видео.html if you decide to go this route, take your time…it’s a tedious process but well worth it! Stay Safe!

    • @PartlySunnyTV
      @PartlySunnyTV Год назад

      @@DEADorALIVEkayaking oh wow! You did it yourself, very well done! I managed to modify the the rear wheel section into a “cart.” I’d love to send you photos of it if you’d like.

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад

      @@PartlySunnyTV love to see them! guajalote@gmail.com

    • @davidmantia4575
      @davidmantia4575 Год назад +1

      @@PartlySunnyTV Please post. I too have yukons. We made some PVC carts that do the job but would like to see your take.

  • @tomcollier2406
    @tomcollier2406 2 года назад

    Great job ! Thanks for the video.

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад +1

      Hi! Thanks for watching and for the kind words! We had fun making it. Stay safe!

  • @matzdavid1
    @matzdavid1 2 года назад

    I'm curious to know which one is easier to climb back in. Also which hatch design staid the driest. Good video though, thanks for posting.

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      Hi, David, and thanks for watching. We were reboarding in fairly shallow water, and usually with assistance, although I do remember Brandon getting back in unassisted at least once, and I’m pretty sure that was back into the Yukon. I’ve reboarded the Catch a couple times unassisted in about the same depth water, and I’m 50 lbs heavier than he is, and nearly 30 years older…so my guess would be that successful reboarding is more a matter of form, physical condition, and in my case, maybe a little luck! LOL. As far as the hatches, I’d say the rubber snap down on the Yukon likely has the best chance of staying dry, vs the quick lock on the Catch, but there wasn’t much water in either of them when we were done. Both kayaks also have numerous screw and rivet holes that could potentially allow some water in, and the paddle parks on the Yukon are a terrible design that is more than likely responsible for the water that was in it. They are simply holes drilled through the hull with bungee cord leading through them…no thought towards watertight integrity whatsoever. Great questions, stay safe!

  • @jerryplesko9521
    @jerryplesko9521 Год назад

    I see you hade the seat all the way up on the pelican.Did you try the pelican on the lower settings it might be a little more stable

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад

      Hi, Jerry, and thanks for watching. You make an excellent point…it would’ve been more stable! In the 3+ years I’ve had the Catch 120, I’ve never once used it with the seat in the low position, so it never even occurred to me! Stay Safe!

  • @seanpatun9875
    @seanpatun9875 2 года назад

    Motor mount possible you think on catch 120?

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад +1

      Hi, Sean, and thanks for watching! You can definitely install a motor mount on either of these, but I think the Catch 120 would be the easiest. There are a bunch of videos here on YT showing how-to's for stern and side mounts, and they involve various degrees of detail and difficulty, from "simple and easy" on up to "complicated and time consuming"! Stay safe!

  • @BILLYBOBSTUNES
    @BILLYBOBSTUNES 2 года назад

    Great and fair comparison....best I've seen.......I really like both....but after watching your comparison....I would definitely choose the Pelican Catch 120. What is the weight capacity on the Catch ??? Have a great day 😀

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      Hi, Bill, and thanks for watching! The Catch 120 is my goto, especially on creeks and rivers. I have a pedal kayak coming this next week that I want to try out in ponds and lakes; most of our creeks and rivers are too shallow to allow the use of a pedal drive...anyway, I'll get some videos on that one published as soon as I can, too. The Catch 120 weight capacity is 400 lbs...I'm roughly 205 and with me, my coolers, camping equipment, etc., I doubt I've ever come close to that. Stay safe!

  • @tylermohn9542
    @tylermohn9542 2 года назад

    Where did u get the padding for the lifetime kayak I have the same one

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      Hi, thanks for watching! I got the SeaDek on Amazon. Here's a video that shows how I did it, and the link for the pad is in the description. ruclips.net/video/aS-Dadj-dPg/видео.html If you're going to do it, set aside a LARGE block of time and go slowly! It's tedious and time consuming, but the result was well worth it! Stay safe!

  • @counterbalancelife4305
    @counterbalancelife4305 2 года назад

    Frank Cullotta does watersports? Awesome!

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      Ya, an' I want you should watch more and subscribe, 'else I send over a coupla da boys...! LOL Thanks for watching, stay safe!

  • @quocdinh2872
    @quocdinh2872 Год назад

    love your video. very good ideas kayak review.

  • @bman3270
    @bman3270 Год назад

    What skeg is that on the Catch? I have the same kayak and would like to add one on mine.

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад

      Hi, Bruce, and thanks for watching! Check out my walkaround video on the Catch 120...I talk a little about the skeg and I'm pretty sure I put a link to it in the description. If I didn't...I'll go do that right now! Stay Safe!

  • @christopherpoxon9508
    @christopherpoxon9508 Год назад

    Thank you, really good video.

  • @RileyReneau
    @RileyReneau 2 года назад

    I have a chance to get the Yukon for about $475 used from a private seller. That seems a little steep to me. Id love to know your input tho!

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      It would depend on the condition...we gave $499 new for Melinda's 2 years ago, and about $350 for another Yukon used about the same time that was in reasonable shape, but certainly not new! Everything goes up, though, and the Yukon/Teton is selling new now for $500-629, depending on the where...plus are there any "value added" accessories? Rod holders, paddles, vests, anchor and/or a trolley, etc.? At the end of the day, I'd say that if I really liked it and wanted it, I'd probably try to talk the price down a little, but would likely still pay it otherwise. Hope this helps. Stay safe!

    • @RileyReneau
      @RileyReneau 2 года назад

      @@DEADorALIVEkayaking Appreciate this very much! My wife and I decieded to buy kayaks finally. She has one, but my seller fell through in a very frustrating way. Im looking for other options.

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      @@RileyReneau Facebook Marketplace and Craigslist can be your friends! Good luck in your search!

  • @bushwhookie1334
    @bushwhookie1334 2 года назад

    I have the Teton pro aka Yukon.. what’s the price difference

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      Hi, and thanks for watching! We have 2 Yukons, having bought 1 new and 1 used. The new one came from Walmart for $498 about a year and a half ago, but I’ve noticed Lifetime’s msrp for it this year is $799. Not sure what the Teton Pro retails for, but I’d think they’re fairly close, since they’re the same boat. Hope this helps…stay safe!

    • @bushwhookie1334
      @bushwhookie1334 2 года назад

      @@DEADorALIVEkayaking I mean the pelican price vs lifetime

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      @@bushwhookie1334 I’m sorry! Like I said, the Yukon was $498 a year and a half ago, and I bought the Catch 120 about a year before that for $749 at Academy Sports. The msrp for the Yukon is now $799, and Academy has the Catch for $829.99. Sorry about the misunderstanding!

  • @melindabedsole7721
    @melindabedsole7721 Год назад

    Thanks!

  • @thepeopleplaceandnaturepod8344

    awesome comparison there bud! new subbie here!

  • @jdock32778
    @jdock32778 2 года назад

    The hull on the Yukon looks like it would be faster and easier to turn.

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад +1

      Hi, Joe, and thanks for watching! The Yukon has a more streamlined single bow, and is, in fact, faster than the Catch. The Catch is basically a tunnel hull, and both hulls merge right at the front of the kayak...I don't know if I'd call it a double bow, but the overall effect is very barge-like! The Catch is definitely not the fastest SOT around, but it is very stable. For turning...I don't know that I've really noticed much difference, unless I put in the aftermarket fin I installed on the Catch to improve tracking...in that case, the Yukon definitely turns easier...but I usually only use the fin on lakes or ponds, especially if there's a little bit of wind. On rivers, The Catch's tendency to yaw doesn't really matter so much because currents are constantly pushing and turning you, anyway. Stay safe!

    • @jdock32778
      @jdock32778 2 года назад +1

      @@DEADorALIVEkayaking Thanks..

  • @thatguyfishingben4794
    @thatguyfishingben4794 6 месяцев назад

    If you were gonna stand in them and do a lot of fishing the pelican was more stable for that?

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  6 месяцев назад +1

      Hi, and thanks for watching! Yeah, the Pelican was definitely the more stable of the two. As I mentioned in the video, I’m generally not one for standing while fishing, but it’s definitely doable in both of these kayaks, especially the Pelican. Stay Safe!

  • @ccscomments757
    @ccscomments757 2 года назад

    So in summary. In 'Tippyness', the Lifetime Yukon (or at least the Teton) is as "tippy' as the Pelican Catch 120 (12' for the Pelican, and about 11' 6' for the Lifetime 116). DUH!! Thanks for the video and pre-emptive "Myth Busters" episode.

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад +3

      Hi, and thanks for watching, and for the sarcasm, I LOVE sarcasm! 11’ 8” for the Pelican Catch 120. That’s 2” difference, in case you were taught the “new math”. Stay safe!

  • @blindowl-bushcraft-survival
    @blindowl-bushcraft-survival 2 года назад

    nice back support

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      They're super comfortable! We've spent all day on them many times. Stay safe!

  • @jadeviper-tw3gi
    @jadeviper-tw3gi Год назад

    I want one

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  Год назад

      Hi, and thanks for watching! Either could be yours!…the Yukon is $550ish at Walmart, and the Catch 120 is $830 at Academy Sports. Stay Safe!

  • @TheRealGrandadNo1
    @TheRealGrandadNo1 2 года назад

    You are on water that is hardly moving, try that on the sea!

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      Hi, and thanks for watching! Excellent point, Sir! The sea, or a deep, fast flowing river offer sets of additional challenges to stability and reboarding. As I said in my Kayaking Safety and Emergency Preparedness video, know your strengths, weaknesses, and capabilities, and train/plan accordingly! Stay safe!

  • @davidchubay5451
    @davidchubay5451 2 года назад

    Gosh that’s a dirty lake

    • @DEADorALIVEkayaking
      @DEADorALIVEkayaking  2 года назад

      Hi, David, and thanks for watching! The water there is always stained to a clay color, but you're right...most of this year it's been absolutely filthy! You should see the mess it makes of the bottom of my kayaks every time I go up there! The past couple weeks it's finally stopped raining so that it's a little better, but no rain brings on a whole different set of problems, not so much with the lake as with the rivers running into and out of it. Stay safe!