Cleaning Up Someone Else's Mess - The Scout Hut - Episode 1
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Was there ever even an electrician?? Maybe there’s a special scouts badge for having a go at the electrics 😉😂😂
Good question!
As an ex Scout Leader there are badges that cover some things electrical....but not quite to that level ;-) That said, the Scouts I worked with couldn't have stuffed up that badly if they tried! Basic stuff like not putting their outside connections in the correctly IP rated box....looks like one of the dads said they 'knew a bit about electrics' and went to town.
Scouts would've done a better job.
Dib Dib bang
seems like a cowboy who realised he was in over his head on a job and disappeared.
This is my favourite type of video, wandering around discovering the mess left behind by others.
Haha thanks
The Consumer unit being plastic is not an issue. The reg regarding metal consumer units applies to dwellings.
Good point, still not great though in a wooden building with kids around
Artisan Electrics .....No, but EICR’s are carried out in a way that you should consider the British standard the installation was installed to, and also British standards that are current on the day of inspection. Your opinion doesn’t actually come into it. Your judgement on whether the installation conforms to the standard it was installed to, and if it departs from today’s standards is what should be recorded, and graded.
A plastic consumer unit in a commercial building, installed to the 17th edition is not even worth a mention. Even if it was in a school filled with children.......regardless of whether you personally think that is right or not.
@@artisanelectrics might not be a good install but still not a fail (fuseboard wise),, if you wangle a board change use a crabtree and you got all the mcds saving client a few quid
God I love videos of crappy installations. You're really cranking out these videos Jordan, thanks for keeping us entertained during lockdown.
P.S. I'd have just used PVC conduit to isolators for those AC units rather than putting up some tray to go rusty outside. Gets the T+E out of the sun as well.
Glad you like them!
Good idea!
"Yep, Yep, thars your problem right thar !" - what do you mean?
"the whole thangs the problem maaaam, dis gonna need reeee-wire right here" YEEEHAW
HAHAHA 😂
Point 1: Bollocks. It is not in a domestic setting so does not need to be metallic.
True, but still metal is pretty standard now.
@@drfc94 why even comment? If you dont like what he does, then dont watch it, there is no need for a comment like that.
@@honisoitquimalypense1316 If one is to go on YT pontificating about others' work practices and pointing out irregularities for the sake of views, best get their facts straight; No?
@@lornemalvo3298 yes I understand what you're saying but the comment was unnecessary dont you think? This guy is honest and even when he messes up he keeps it in as this is real life, nobody is perfect.
As for the board being metal, I've worked on construction for the last 15 years (schools, hospitals stadiums etc) and I have never seen anything other than metal boards, the 18th edition says that domestic are to be metal, so I would also assume that the board in this video should be metal.
Unless the 18th has changed, the reg requiring non-combustible enclosures or cabinets is only for domestic properties. Other properties are covered by fire safety legislation, which domestic property is not.
Good point! Still it would be normal that it was a metal board if he hadn't installed an old plastic one ripped out from somewhere else.
You're technically correct. I'd be more interested in reg 511 - you use a recycled consumer unit then you've not a clue what it's supply chain looks like and have no manufacturers notes. You can still buy plastic consumer units and there are places [not domestic] where they are very appropriate such as external influences. But this clearly isn't such a board and is best put in a bin.
It’s a non domestic installation, the requirement for non combustible consumer units is for domestic dwellings/installations only. You can’t say the CU is non compliant based on it being plastic as it’s perfectly acceptable
Think he forgot lol
But if people on occasion stay over night in the building would that not mean the consumer unit must be 17thAmd3 standard
Graham McHardy
No, it’s for dwellings only.
We've never even seen or used a plastic or composite panel enclosure in North America, plus our panels come with a bus in the panel that the breakers( switches in the panel) connect to. Plus we install mounted boxes to splice in for ceiling lights and alarm devices.
How do you manage to always be so happy? I’m a grumpy twat on the tools 😂
As I've always said (this can be applied to most things) as an NDT inspector: 'if it looks neat, it's half way there'.
Wonder if there has been a change of committee at that Scout group, the previous committee perhaps allowed a "well meaning" parent or friend of a friend do the rewire on the cheap
Its possible
Richard O'Keeffe
Absolutely spot on I reckon
Bit of a mess but a good project to get stuck into. Looking forward to watching it unfold.
Thanks!
Seeing such shoddy work is why I do all my own electrics. Every single electrician I've ever had in to do a job has been deficient in some way - not running cable in prescribed notes properly, not providing test results or notifying BC, massively overcharging etc. I'm sure there are good sparks out there but in my experience they're a rare breed.
I always label my cables when I do wiring, even if I only have one 6mm twin & earth I still mark it up.
Good job!
@@artisanelectrics how many times have had to either come back to a job at a later date or you know you're going to have someone else finish a DB, always best to keep it simple.
wouldn't the t&e outside perish in the sun with the uv? Id probably put a large wiska box where the cables come out the wall then use some 25mm pipe or 2x swa along to the centre for 2z rotary isolators then swa to each ac unit
👍🏼Top video, remember commercial installations do not require metal C.U. however I agree with you. If the installation was TT, I would still prefer the board to be insulated.
Well said! It wasn't TT though.
Isn’t it classed as commercial ? Metal only for domestic
Non domestic property normally has metal DBs installed.
Jeffrey Fearn That’s becomes most non domestic installations are polyphase installations which require TPN distribution boards. The crux of the matter is that a plastic Cu/DB is perfectly compliant in an installation other than a dwelling and is not subject to regulation 421.1.201 and should never be subject to an EICR coding or simply replaced on being plastic as the sole reason.
I am not convinced it was replaced because it's plastic, mostly because its all a bloody mess and poorly installed, if your gonna re-terminate all the circuits and tidy it up why not just replace the entire consumer unit for something that's compliant with current best practice. I am also interested in that Asbestos sticker on the service head. I am guessing the fuse has some asbestos rope or asbestos flash guard? Or is there a larger asbestos problem with service heads? If so will a DNO replace a service head if it's suspected of containing asbestos? Does anyone have a gallery of potentially asbestos-containing service heads? I looked on John Wards website as he has lots of photos of old electrical gear including service heads but no mention of asbestos risk on any of them.
I've never installed plastic in any commercial place, only did plastic in domestic. Prefer metal as long as it's properly earthed of course.
It's a note or c3 on a electrical report. So stop scare mongering.
Proper little cliff hanger there Jordan, its like an episode of holby city 😂
Haha thanks
Tray of left over bits looks like a Gratnell. AWOL Sparks is probably moonlighting as a physics teacher now.
Probably
seems like a cowboy who realised he was in over his head on a job and disappeared.
Im sure bundy had a video where he said he was starting a scout hut rewire and never followed it up 🤔
😂😂😂
I'm blaming Dan at DSS or David Savery! 😋🤫
Nick nick nick, dib dib Bundy 😂👍
In my 22 years of experience as an Architect I never had an electrician that agrees with the work of other electrician... there is always something that the previous electrician has done wrong and needs to be corrected to a huge cost... not saying you're wrong in your assessment in this video but it is a recurrent issue, not only with electricians but with all trades in the construction industry.
it wasnt really recent but when me and my family moved into our house, we had over 3 electricians drop work and leave due to not being paid and then the 4th one came and finished it but after doing an electrical installation course at college, i looked at a few lights and My god, it breaks soo many regulations
Hi Artisan - I have two comments about your installation. You complained about a 16th reg board that you were putting in 4 years ago. In four years someone will say your Hager 18th is outdated.
Also you stated the cables were tight. When you put the cables into the back of your Hager board you cut them even shorter still.
Regards John.
I Liked how you put all circuits on separate RCBOs I would do the same on a Insulation like this.RCBOs are now less than £30 each. Not expensive for a electrical installation that will last for over a decade and more.
Absolutely thanks for watching
Nice video again look foward to seeing the rest of your work.
Awesome, thank you!
You will need to "Be Prepared" for virtually anything!!!! (Scouts' motto "Be Prepared".) Looks to be another rather interesting challenge for you. Why rewire and use an old consumer unit. Why? Because he had one salvaged from another job (or parts from several prior jobs - more profit, if he gets away with it!).
The route from the floor trap to the apex of the roof could be for signal cable for a ceiling-mounted projector. If so, and budget permits, run as many CAT6 cables as will fit (native HDMI won't travel that far). A switched mains feed for the projector would be a good idea too.
Yes it was
I'm about to plough through all these episodes on this job.
I really enjoy these types of video and playlist where it is not a 2 hour downlight job etc and requires good practice and thought processes theoughout a week or so's work.
You can really see on the other side how much work you are doing to film for RUclips let alone completing electrical work to a great standard!
Thumbs up.
Thanks a lot! Hope you enjoy!
Hi Jordan. Being a scouter and sparks, what your finding is absolutely the norm in scout halls. Be aware that so many halls have asbestos ceilings etc. Maybe the reason that store room has been covered with in plasterboard. Stay safe!
Thanks! You're right!
Bodge it & Scarper Electric Co very Ltd. I bet Henry the hoover did it 😂 those AC units are disgustingly wired. Good luck with the job.
Could have been them, or another firm, Reckitt and Legitt Ltd ;)
LOL
It may have been rewired for no cost to help out the scouts.
I would rip-off everything and start afresh. You never know what's hidden under the floor boards and the ceiling.
Did the scouts wire it themselves for a badge🤣
If they did, they never got the badge lol
True!
I suspect being a voluntary organisation they got someone in to do it for materials cost only as a favour.
This is exactly what happens, seen it locally too....
Now they are paying a lot to get it all sorted out but it will be nice when its done!
That consumer unit belongs back in the early days of the 17th edition. Shame it was never done right in the first place. Will be all sorted now though👌
Thanks!
Oooow a Scout Hut, hmmmm I wonder if I stayed there...... nope don't think I did oh the videos over. Went to Scotland, England and Wales for the 2004? Blair Athol Jamboree needless to say we stayed in a few huts.
I enjoyed marveling at the somewhat ancient Electrics noticing how good shape they are in even though they are so much older than anything in the states that's typical to come acrossed. And I did manage to take pictures of more than just wires lol.
Couldn't decide on a souvenir to get myself, a few years later I figured out what I should have got a duplex UK receptacle I'm going to start my self a collection from Everywhere I Go.
Awesome
Amendment 3 metal consumer units only apply to Dwellings can a scout Hall be classed as a dwelling?
Sticker on cover of “old” board says artisan 🤣🤣
Yeah thats our EICR sticker!
The whole building looks dog rough to me but I suppose dodgy plastering and painting won't kill you but those electrics are a fire waiting to happen .
Yeah totally!
Does it need to be metal as not in a house , asking for a friend
Terry’s Electrical Services no , the requirements for Non combustible CU’s are for domestic dwellings only
ian adams yeah I know was a bit thrown by what he was saying mate , thought I missed something
Yeah You're right guys
Wow what a mess. Why not use a 100mm X 100mm Junction for the Air source units outside to take that 2 feeds into to cover the hole. Then take kopex's or conduits to each isolator then a kopex to the units?
Good idea!
Noticed the CU had the next inspection date only 6 months from the initial one. How come such a short span?
Because it failed the inspection we gave them 6 months to rectify the faults
@@artisanelectrics Makes sense, I guess people see those stickers and assume its been tested so must be in an ok condition (without checking the actual report)
Brilliant, a new series! 🙂❤
I can't wait to see the quality workmanship as usual from you. I'd be tempted to rewire some things, especially the AC units 🧐😬🤦♂️
Thanks!
I am confused as are you.Its not domestic dwelling so does not need to be metal.Its probably been done
by a scouts dad or friend that has helped the local scout group out and hence no charge.Helps the community.
Nice job sorting it all out.
Thanks
It's a case of accepting the cheapest quote, it always costs you more in the long run.
Talk about shoddy... here in america it's never ok to have things constantly running as fires can come of lights getting hot or fans getting worn out.
Hi There. Just joined the channel. Its a interesting project and will be good to see how you are sorting it out.
Thanks for posting🌟
is it in worksop
Looks like a wantabe electrician was there. Why the place is not a pile of ashes is amazing.
I know right!
Interesting to see the differences between what you guys use there and what we use here in the states. Our fuse boxes/breaker boxes are usually metal recessed. Your outdoor A/C units look smaller than what we use here. Your A/C fans are side mounted and ours have top mounted fans. Also most switch outlets here are metal recessed while the one you use are non recessed plastic.
Thanks for sharing
Regarding sockets and switches here in the UK we use a mixture. Plastic accessories on recessed boxes are probablly the most common. Plastic accessories on surface boxes are the budget and/or minimal disruption option. Shiny metal acessories on flush boxes are the fancy option and metalclad surface acessories are the industrial option.
I wish i was there as a new Lerner i would of gain lots of experience lol.
Would have thought that is a commercial property so metal not required but defo a used board. I would also not leave that external T&E for the air conditioning. I know technically you can but just not something I would ever do. Be interesting to know what cable been used for the fire alarm as well.
Fire alarm supply was in twin and earth but they did use red FP cable for the zones
It only needs to be non-combustible if its domestic
True, but still I would never install a plastic board nowadays in any situation
Would of though a building of that size would have a 3 phase supply in it. He's no spark that last fella!
Yeah true
If i had a fiver for every time you said dodgy I'd have 50k 🤣🤣🤣 nice vid and a 👍👍👍
Legend!
This makes me sick, People are always banging on about us domestic installers, calling us cowboys. If I ever left a job in that state I’d shoot myself. Anyway I can’t wait to see what you do to this place.
Thanks!
T&E external on tray,, would plastic trunking be better
I'll put money on someone who has just left the scout committee did this.
The first video of yours Jordan that I actually feel is fairly full of rubbish. I completely agree that the electrical system has faults and isn't perfect, but asking a charity group to shell out for a Hager RCBO board? Really? Why? Yes, the board is plastic and not brand new and shiny, but it did have the required protection, speil about not being amendment 3 compliant is rubbish. This video sadly feels like you're taking advantage of the situation because you have very little other work. Some remidials were completely necessary (wiring to the AC Units, for example), maybe even a tidy up of the cabling around the board, but saying things like having the AC controls in a cupboard near the CU is a bodge is utter rubbish.
The A/C controls being in the cupboard was not the issue, the fact that the cable was not properly installed and single insulated conductors were showing was the issue. Just because they are a charity doesn't mean they don't have much money, and don't want a quality install with quality materials.
@@artisanelectrics but the more money they spend on things like Electrics for their Hut takes away oppurtunities for young people to try new things. This seems like you've stepped in and they're just now trusting your judgement in terms of needing things like RCBOs etc. Apolgies for being wrong about the issue with the AC controls, the way you said it suggested that just the location was a Bodge. Quality install doesn't mean one of the most expensive boards on the planet with unnecessary RCBOs😂.
I find it hard to believe an electrician did that work, even a shit spark wouldnt do half of that.
I'm thinking they attempted it themselves and then got overwhelmed, so then got in the phone.
Who knows
That emergency light at 4:30 is really old - red LED's were changed for green 10 years + ago.
Thanks for the info!
That call point above the FP light switch is triggered but the system isn’t in fire, that definitely needs looking at.
How do you know its triggered?
I honestly don't know how some people can sleep at night!
I know right! Shocking
Hmmm ....... Wonder what that is on top of the main fuse where there should be nothing there?
Also why are they on an economy 7 tariff when they do not have storage heaters?
Another bit of dodgyness is having the CU fitted with no space for the meter to be changed!
Yep thats quite a rough install, but that aside, its only dwellings that were/are required to have non combustable enclosures. I’d of stick in a nice type a DB
Yeah I fitted a Hager Type A RCBO board, video should be up on Saturday!
Thanks Jordan
Thanks
Obviously done as part of ‘Bob a job’ week
Yeah looks like it!
I’d of said “bodge a job” week 😳😂
holy sht batman just got to the end. this is the kind of stuff where even in america the land of the free if you are a qualified licensed bonded contractor you still need to have a permit and work inspected by the government.(of course though almost none do until they get caught lol)
Wow thanks
Plastic Crabtree board. On a new Installation you Know this job is start from scratch. Just looked at the fire Alarm with a few beers on lockdown. Do the job in stages cut your loss on the bad and Quote fairly on the job. as a new installation for the other work.
Thanks a lot
I've just had my house rewired, got the certificate, he hadn't done the gas, nor water bonding but it was marked on the sheet. Didn't do the smoke alarms, no grommets in the top of the consumer unit , no capping over any of the cabled and get this.... he wired up my boiler directly without a fuse just a switch... since he's been back to fix those "issues" my stockets in the loft now don't work anymore. Honestly don't even want to call him back.
Oh no, thats awful, I'm so sorry you had such a terrible experience, unfortunately its all too common these days. It's why you should really vet any tradesmen carefully before hiring them.
Can’t believe someone is suggesting you’re ripping them off by supplying a hager board. If they aren’t happy with your price they wouldn’t use you . Great video by the way and my money is on someone close to the organisation a friend or relative did that, knew they were in to deep, got a load of stuff just about up and running and all the bits and pieces left to get going or put right were to daunting a task and they bailed .
My thoughts exactly, they got 3 quotes and chose me! And they are super happy with the result.
A lot of C2 on that job . Should keep you busy .
Yep!
Scary to see such a mess. You who left the scene, where's your professional pride?
Totally
Bonding to structural steel too?
Good call
never ceases to amaze me what a crap job some DIYers do, because i cant believe whoever did this was ever qualified as an electrician. even the air conditioners outside wouldnt have been as bad if he had put the cables into a tupperware box.
Why does the consumer unit have your sticker on it if you didn’t install it ?
He did the EICR it's a requirement to fit a next test label even for a unsatisfactory report.
Thats the one! Thanks for answering
Jordan. I would sleeve them twin and earth cables which are feeding the condensers with black flexible conduit (kopex) to protect them from UV damage also you can fit glands on the ends which will terminate neatly into a rotary isolator. 👍
Thats a good idea! I just did the cable tray today... might have to go back and fit Flexi conduit now! 😅
@@artisanelectrics Just use cable ties to secure the conduit to the cable tray Jordan.
I was thinking the same.hate seeing twin and earth outside.Copec offers a little more mechanical protection.Great video by the way.👌
Great vid. 🐵
Thanks!
A recycled board and wiring in that state screams more of of "helpful" parent volunteer or good old "DIY enthusiast leader doing a bit of recycling". who perhaps got a bit in over their head, rather than a mysterious vanishing spark. Was the same when i was in scouts. Our old boy leader did most the wiring. Good intentions but usually done with recycled everything and questionable skills
I wouldn’t use twin & earth on tray outside - I don’t think twin & earth is UV stabilised. I’d either pull it back inside and use SWA outside on tray or use the twin & earth in conduit/ trunking. Also, as others have said, the fire alarm MCP looks to be triggered - the yellow/black chevron is showing in the window. It should be causing the panel to be in alarm (or alarm & been silenced). If I was a gambling man I’d say it probably isn’t wired in, but if it is then something more troubling has happened. Have a look for Sycall call point on RUclips, it looks to be one of them.
Yes you're right it was never connected! At either end...
The Fire Alarm Manual Call Point you showed at around 8.40 minutes seems as if it has been activated but the Fire Alarm Control Panel when you showed it didn’t look as if it was activated. Unless you were obviously testing during your visit.
What makes you think it was activated? How can you tell?
The black/yellow chevron is showing in the window of the manual call point. I think it is a Sycall manual call point, there’s videos on RUclips of how to reset them. As it isn’t making the main panel go into alarm / silenced, I smell a rat. Either the MCP hasn’t been wired in or something more sinister has happened.
It wasn’t connected! 🤦♂️
None of the fire alarm wiring was connected in fact, and the panel had no battery in...
Said this on your last video, its easier to do the job properly! And for people saying picking up on the plastic board is picky, its a re-wire, a brand new installation. If you were to go to Wholesaler and order a board it wouod be metal, not plastic. I agree with Jordan that it being plastic is shoddy and the installer is a lazy, useless basta.....
Thank you!
Isn't it ironic, 17th ed allows a plastic casing and 18th needs to be metal. How the he'll are you supposed to keep up with ever changing regs!!!!
Yep...
Whilst the plastic CU wouldn't be C coded for an EICR being a non-domestic premises, I do agree with you that a single-phase PME installation being fairly recently put in on a plastic board is a bit crap.
421.1.201 was brought in for residential because they don't have as stringent requirements for fire safety and fire detection as commercial buildings have under fire safety regs. But the fact it doesn't specifically apply doesn't mean the underlying reason for metal CU's, that is to offer improved containment of fire, isn't relevant.
electrical.theiet.org/wiring-matters/years/2015/55-special-edition-ii-2015/new-non-combustible-enclosure-requirement-for-consumer-units/
Yeah we just put it as a note on the EICR but not coded.
the label on it was an artisan electrics sticker, was this done by someone you know??
errr, anyone seen a sparkie there before our host?! i hope that electrical (not funny) joke wasnt for a badge!
grief thats going to be a near full rewire! you deserve the "fixer of totally crap electrical jobs" badge!! and thats before starting!
HAHA thanks mate
I am a electrical technician and a plumber technician for a property management company in the US all I do is fix stupid people's messes some of them worked for us not anymore though
Wow thanks for sharing! Welcome!
This happens all the time, I think that the building trade and all associated trades associated within it ie Plumbers, Electricians etc should be regulated, not under trade associations, who can be easily exploited. Property is so expensive, yet people given a choice will not pay for upkeep, yet will spend a fortune at Tesco, Sainsbury's, Virgin, Sky and such like, have HP on their Range Rover Evoke.. Then never take ownership when it goes wrong... Well done for keeping things good
Thanks!
Not an electrician, so completely naive, but why do circuit breakers and boxes look so different in the UK than US?
For every negative there's a positive, because there are more bodger's than decent people, there's always work to be done. I lay the blame with the governing bodies, they sign them up, they inspect their work and they take the £500 per year in fees.
Also it's a commercial job so you can fit an insulated board, it's just domestic places where they need to be metal.
True, thanks for the comment!
you're a nice bloke
Thank you!
Looking at this nothing is Easy. I can see why they now want testing and inspection. Electrician Apprenticeship started work 1975.
Nice
kk first off im from america been watching a lot of you GB sparks and into the 1st minute the service board looked very sketchy and im writing this paused 2 minutes in. like i say to most pple even if you have no real experience if something looks off it is 🤔😉
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
You're right there! Thanks for watching!
I barely know the UK regs and I could do so much better, for that matter I could throw out what little I know of the US regs and still do better.
Almost as it was done by the builder or a trainee apprentice earning a bit of money on the side, job looks a nightmare to test and inspect with potential hidden hazards.
NAPIT code breakers book is going to go be well used
Yeehaw
Do get he feeling that this was someone who used to be a sparkie/half trained and offered to do it for mates rates to a good cause?
I'm not a sparkie, merely an Elec Engineer, but I could tell that was all shit as soon as I saw the board
😂
Maybe the Corona got him
I hope not! Poor chap!
Ok
Thanks
How do companies that produce such bad work stay in business?
Hopefully they don't...