(Hearthstone) The Education of Archmage Arugal
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- (Boomsday Project Standard) Elemental Mage VS Druid
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I love it when Kibler schools keyboard warriors.
I was just about to say this. Hahaha
Yea it's so great. He is very good at debating he never directly insults the dumbies and states his points very clearly so that even an idjit like me can understand.
He’s got class when dealing with the classless
Captain Eggcellent me too. Mainly because he doesn’t use emotion or call people names. Just straight up schools them with facts.
Chat being wrong again. Lol. Nice play, I probably would have walked into that primordial drake, tbh.
mfmageiwatch same
Same. >_
Actually, if you follow closely, that trade gave him 10 more face dmg. So yes, it was a really nice read from Kibler.
@@MrStealthWarrior actually, i said it was a nice read. I said chat was wrong, not kibler. Try reading next time!
Chat was wrong again! :P
It's really rare to see Kibler so worked up about something.
Edit: Oof, I just made a simple observation, dunno why it got upvoted so much, but thanks!
Yeah. But that guy was being a dick and insisted on being right even tough he was entirely wrong.
Not lately, last few videos he's gotten a little pissy. Usually at chat. He's had enough of their shit
Kibler always gives his reasoning as to why he makes his plays so the viewer can learn and understand what is happening. It's one of the many reasons he is a great streamer to watch. Having someone try and call you out on a "misplay" even though you give solid reasoning because you understand the deck you are playing against, it would get you worked up as well.
Rank 50 chat at its finest
Nah he's been going ham in the couple recent videos
Alright, so let's follow the keyboard warriors line of play.
He swings into the Golem with Bonfire, killing it, and leaving him with a 5/2, 5/5 and 5/8.
His opponent summons Drake, killing off the 5/2, and leaving him with a 5/3 and 5/6.
He summons Phoenix targeting drake, pings it, hits Drake with Cenarius, pushes 5 damage and summons a 1/2 alongside his onboard 3/3, 5/3 and 5/2.
We're now at effectively the same outcome as Kiblers line, but Cenarius has 1 fewer health.
His opponent summons the 2nd Drake, now killing his Cenarius, and spellstone'ing the 5/1. Kibler is left with a 3/1.
Kibler still has answers in hand to the Drake, but now he's down 1 resource from his original line.
He summons Blazecaller and trades in his 3/1 to kill Drake. He's now missing 5 damage that he pushed in his original line.
Since the 5/1 doesn't exist (Destroyed by Spellstone), his opponent doesn't have to swing into it now; that's 10 total damage missed and an established creature.
Does Kibler probably win that game anyway? Almost definitely, but that's not really the point. How does Kibler get punished for his line of play? What combination of cards could the Druid cast to make not swinging into Golem the incorrect choice? He's setup to kill any x/8 (Lich King and Drake) and the opponent turning on the golem doesn't present any good trades. Kibler has complete board control, so establishing multiple minions isn't going to help. There was nothing his opponent could have reasonably done to punish.
So Kibler's line basically equated to 1 additional health on Cenarius. A single stat-point that ended up snowballing into ~7 mana worth of tempo. I understand wanting to discuss other lines of play, and weighing their pro's an cons, but maybe think more than 1 turn ahead before calling a pro out on stream.
ERROR ERROR
TESS GREYMANNE NOT FOUND
We need Tess to be a neutral card so she can be in every deck
Impossible! He used Academic Espionage to change his class into Mage!
Just joking, I missed this deck a little.
I love when Kibler BTFOs rank 25 chat members who think they're smarter than he is.
It was only one guy, and the rest of chat kept making fun of him XD
Ben Meulink as in, I climbed to rank 2 and still think it’s a game of luck.
Bromora It’s a bummer how bad luck can lose you games sometimes, but as long as it’s fun, I don’t really mind. The only “bad luck” that bothers me is cue’ing up into three Zoolock decks in a row and all three of them have amazing draws and you just get blown up for free. FeelsBadMan
Ben Meulink You’re right. To be fair, I only said bad luck can lose you games *sometimes*; never said the game is purely luck-based. :)
Ben Meulink Oh, haha. My bad. >_
4:08 it's slowly happening guys. Kibler is snapping!
knowing twitch chat, He was probably getting trolled
He probably has to deal with idiots in chat all day long
I watched this game live, and this game keep pestering him saying that he's play was wrong, not considering all things that Kibler already mention a bit earlier, and kept explaining over and over.
I would go crazy having twitch chat blaring at me for hours, day in and day out. It's a wonder he's still a functioning human being.
Kibler's chat is for the most part very chill, mostly people trying to pick his brain about the state of the game, his deck building decisions and stuff. Know-it-alls like this are not so common.
Love listening to a good smack down of 'experts' in chat by streamers
Banning them after the second dumb question would probably be best for his mental health.
Zalae's chat is so much smarter than Kibler's. They're almost rank 24.
Zalae's chat is usually cancer :s
LMAO
It always makes me chuckle when people try and correct Kiblers plays. He's one of the best players in the world and does this for a living. Blizzard ask for his feedback and advice. I believe he was even offered a job with them.
You're on chat. That's it.
Everyone can make mistakes but being a jerk is the problem dude
kibler is not above mistakes. no one is. he generally owns up to them but there a few where hes been wrong and doesnt accept it.
for ex. he played tesspionage vs priest and needed to clear the enemy lich king to live. he defended the fact that he went for prep sprint to find a possible espionage’d psychic scream/SW:D out instead of playing tess that had a 50/50 hit on SW:D that was previously played. entire chat called him out and he still said he was right.
ive seen him not use his candleshot to pop a 1/2’s divine shield. he got called out, he said he was right, until the 1/2 traded w his minion and he admitted being wrong. happens to the best of us especially considering the volume of HS games he plays hes still an amazing player
Well in your example, I'll agree that sounds like a silly play! Hahaha! I was referring to the play in question in this video and he explains it. To me too, it seemed like the only correct play and his explanation was solid. And he was still being called out on it.
Maybe I should watch more as I have never seen him act like he does in this video. That was the first time I've ever seen him get even close to defensive! Thanks for the friendly reply too! Rare to see these days XD
Like I said before, Kibler was right on the play, but wrong on the explanation. The difference between not trading before and after Primordial Drake is leaving Cenarius with 1 more health, not "Bonfire attacking multiple times", so... Yeah... Even the best makes mistakes.
Sassy Kibler = Best Kibler
Maybe the dude forgot the Ironwood Golem can't attack with the low armor.
That's what I was thinking, if he could've attacked with it the read was completely pointless.
Top ten merciless anime kills.
I just like how Kibler explains all of his plays so even if you don't agree with one that he does at least you know the thought process.
You put this video up to shut up that troll ;)
I think there should be a seperate channel just for tesspionage
I would sub.
I LOVE how Kibler whips the the shit out of his viewers when they try to correct him. Like guys, Kibler knows his shit alright.
Daaamn Kibler was so fed of his bullshit that he adressed it. Love it.
Kibler's patience is amazing. If they didn't get your explanation the first time, I don't think they will get it the second.
I appreciate you explaining your decisions, even when you choose wrong you often explain it enough that it isn't a misplay rather a miscalculation.
In this case, the person from chat was just a troll
I really like this deck and your way to approach the game.
A new, mage-only player has subscribed :)
I love your music choice for videos its so different from that of a lot of other video game streamers/ youtubers
I admire the way Kibler fires back at people who insist they are correct and the plays he is making are wrong. No name calling. No belittling. Straight facts and simply telling the person they are "incorrect" while providing the reasoning as to why they are incorrect.
Interesting deck, it feels like a fair tempo style with a lot of synergy in between, love to see it.
I feel like Kibler has been more riled up in his videos as of late...and I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. I feel like many Twitch chats are becoming super Toxic. Becoming a "look at me and read my comment so I can feel kinda famous" or "here's why I'm better then you" type place. In most streams, I just keep chat closed for that particular reasoning. Kibler spanked the opponent. Does it matter if YOU think he missed a trade? No. It does not. Geez. Unless you have made a living off of card games, I don't think you have the right to correct something you think is wrong. Huff. Okay, rant over. Had to get that off my chest.
Thank you to ALL the people that do make chats fun and interactive though! You guys rock! I wanted to at least get that out into the World to keep up the positive vibes!
Not only that, but Kibler is very clear when he does mess up, which of course he does. He never tries to cover up, he just goes "ooops, should have done that, and stuff". When he goes a different way, like this case, he explains his decisions step by step. Specially when it's something that looks weird for some reason, like this does. But not only he made a correct analysis, predicting his opponent's next steps, but he won the game quite easily.
I think it's fine to offer what you think was a better play (top tier pros make mistakes all the time), but when Kibler offers a solid explanation (which should have made sense immediately once he explained himself) and then clarifies his reasoning to you later, it's rude to keep pressing.
Kibler has had plays suggested to him in the past from chat that he legitimately recognized as better than what he was considering. If he doesn't recognize your play as at least a viable alternative, it's probably wrong.
WMDistraction I disagree. No one really gives a shit what a random chat member thinks is a better play. They’re here to watch Kibler.
@@hippaul It's kind of his job to interact with chat, and one of those ways is discussing plays. Twitch chat sometimes comes up with good ones, and when that happens, Kibler's more than happy to acknowledge them.
Kibler is in the MGT Hall of Fame, won a bunch of Hearthstone Tournaments, is generally well-respected by the pro community and the game's developers, and he professionally designs card games. And people in chat who watch him because of those reasons are like "nuh uh you're so dumb and I'm so smart"
I mean, the guy WAS wrong but its not like Kibler hasn't made mistakes. Also when you're not in pressure to be playing, its easier to see certain things sometimes. Or maybe you have a good memory and the streamer brain farts and forgets that card X isn't in the deck anymore or something like that.
The real problem is when Kibler very clearly explains his reasoning behind his play, the play works exactly as intended, and the guy still argued that Kibler was wrong even though everything went according to keikaku. But I see streamer brain farts/accurate chat corrections a couple times a day from various streamers. We even see people making play errors at world championship events. These guys ARE still human.
Kibler's play with the Drake that people were seemingly upset about in chat was correct, although the net result was just 1 additional health on Cenarius. (Having attacked the Golem instead of the Drake, and being a little safer from Spellstone).
The reason why kibler streams and the haters watch is perfectly illustrated in this video. I'm surprised Kibler even has the patience to deal with the plebs. Keep on keeping on. My favourite streamer. Good video once again!
Sorry Kibler, you're wrong on your reasoning
Bonfire attacked once, not "multiple times" like you said.
If you had traded before, then he'd play Drake into the Astromancer board, you'd play Fire Plume + Ping + Cenarius to kill it, and smorc with Astromancer.
The REAL difference between trading before and after is leaving Cenarius with 5 or 4 health.
So yes, your play was the most optimal, but not because Bonfire attacked multiple times, but because Cenarius would be left off with more health.
I started rapidly tapping tapping the pumpkins in the middle of the video
Kibler roasting Rank 50 chat
FeelsGoodMan
I went back to check just because of that stupid argument about why what brian did didn't matter, and the way brian did it, left his cenarius at 3 health instead of 2, which made it survive the next primordial drake at 1. turns out it mattered.
If I'm reading the situation right, and hindsight IS 20/20 after all, Kibler NOT smacking the *Golem* with his *Bonfire Ele* essentially saved 1 health for his *Cenarius*, which meant the opponent was forced to use his second *Spellstone* to destroy it; from there, I'm guessing they didn't have a *Swipe* or *Naturalize* to deal with the *Blazecaller* or *Arugal* in one turn, so they settled for face-checking the *Astromancer.*
In all fairness, I think the opponent got somewhat unlucky with their draws, while Kibler had all the answers right when he needed them; it's possible the chat fool was in the opposite situation, with a bad hand versus the opponents' lucky draws, and judged Kiblerino's moves from that perspective. Regardless, even if *Blazecaller* didn't get copied for (almost) certain victory, his foresight definitely helped put him in a better long-term position.
"Elegiggle" with no giggles in it.
Kibler schooling these fools, always a pleasure to see.
Kibler is Mad pt. 2
Kibler vs toast, kibler vs toast kibler vs toast, everyone wants to see it happen...
I feel bad for you Kibler, the kinda people you just have to deal with, oh well great video as always
I just love when people watch Kibler's stream and go "You know what, my Rank 25 advice is needed here, this Legend player is clearly playing wrong."
I love it when Kibler takes the chat to school.
Savage kibler. I kinda like when he let's people know when they're being dumb. Keep up good work kibler love your videos
Kibler reminds me of me when telling someone off that's incorrect, or literally listens to nothing you say when giving your reasoning behind doing something. It's like they listen/watch with the intent to reply, instead of understand.
Gotta love Kibler educating twitch chat
As is the standard, Hearthstone can't make Kibbler Salty, but Twitch Chat certainly can.
who is that idiot that says that kibler is loosing, even through he is clearly winning?
Saw some people saying it was probably a troll, but the follow up makes me think its a person, that is serious about what he is saying
He was serious, he kept trying to explain why that move was not optimal, missing some key elements (like the fact that Ironwood Golem could not attack)
Really... Omg to think that Kibler have to deal with people like that... He must have been complety red in his head, when he saw that Kibler ended up winning, because of that play, he called wrong...
I don't know why misspelling losing as loosing pisses me off so much but it does. I should switch to decaf...
hahaha. English is my second language, so i make alot of mistakes!
Dont want to sit on translate every time i write a comment on youtube :D
@@4EverAwesomness92 I figured. It's my issue, not yours :)
love me some 'Entombed'
It's not that I don't agree with Kibler that the play was better this way, but the Cenarius would've survived attacking into the primordial drake aswel.
Even without Archmage Arugal, this deck is hard to deal with...
While the person in chat was completely wrong about the play Kibler made being a "losing play", I don't actually blame him for missing the benefits of Kibler's decision not to attack into the golem since it was actually a very min-max move. Regardless of whether or not he attacked into the golem the Bonfire Elemental would still have died to the Primordial Drake but by not attacking in and instead waiting a turn to trade since the Ironwood Golem could not attack he was able to make trades that allowed his Cenarius to have 1 more health while having his Astromancer still be alive to continue attacking into face in the following turns this later forced his opponent into using his spellstone to deal 1 damage to the Cenarius. Making your opponent not only overkill but use valuable removal on a generated minion against a threat heavy deck like this one is a HUGE advantage and definitely not a losing play.
Yes he “just” earn a spell stone but it was worth it
He took advantage of the ironwood golem's weakness of requiring armor to act. Also he displayed knowledge of the meta by predicting the opponents moveset. Other comments mentioned the druid didn't have a good draw in terms of not having naturalize, the druid drew two spellstones and a swipe but because the threats came in too fast the druid removal couldn't keep up.
After innovating in MTG and being put into the MTG HOF, you would think people understand that Kibler knows what he is doing in card based games.
Don’t let chat get to ya Kibler. They win once you start talking back. 😂
I haven't played in a while but Elemental Mage just lined up super poorly against the metagame with druid decks going over top and rogue/paladins coming in underneath. Is it good now or still a solid Tier 2 deck?
That play around Primordial seems obvious, but i don't think alot of players would actually make that play though. On a side note I do think he should've played a firefly on 6. I haven't really played alot of summon random x drop cards recently, but Y'sera and the occasional 8/8 aside, the average 9 drop is pretty horrible right? I'm thinking off 9 mana 3/3's and 2/4's. 8 Drops are definitely in a better shape currently.
never argue against kibler. he'll school you 99.9999% of the time lol
tbh I get what was confusing about that astromancer + the turn after astromancer plays because the first time I saw it I was really confused about the decisions being made, might be because the idle time and animations are sped up, but after seeing the chat interaction and the way it actually played out a second time the person in chat is blatantly wrong haha
Lucky Brian, he can be snide *and* educational when someone in the chat thinks they're the smartest :D
This deck and Tess rogue are my favorite decks
You just got school hommie 😂😂😂😂
It´s nice to see this Deck again but how good is it in the actuall ranked metha?
my lord kibler
Wait... What?! Stone Giant is an elemental?! How have I never noticed this until now
For some reason yt put me here after 3 years and I have to say a lot have happened in these 3 years, for example kibler aged around 15 years (not in a bad way) :D
Wouldn't it be better if kibler played the flame elemental at 2:15 to get an 8-drop instead of a 9-drop from astromancer?
Was holding for cheap elemental to probably activate Blazecaller or Bonfire. Also 8 drops aren't significantly better than 9 drops anymore.
Is aggro just so weak right now that taunt druid is performing well? I feel like I see it a lot more than any tier list would ever suggest it should be seen. It is so common on the legend climb that I've actually been just running howlfiend lock to have the coin flip to beat it.
The more popular you get, the more these haters are gonna come around. I’m glad Kibler educates them because we all learn a little bit.
wow. people are so mean here without reason. and Kibler didnt explain it well enough (at least in the video, maybe in stream there were more explanations), so its understandable if someone got confused
Is druidstone only in Legend? I'm not high rank, but I played 40 games this month and only faced 3 druids.
Kibler was so right this time. Sometimes I disagree with his plays (even though he’s a far better player than me.) This time though, he was indisputably right. I’d have walked right into that drake. Rank 50 chat, gj Kibler
Sassy Kibler is best Kibler.
Wait, where was Tess? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE REAL KIBLER?
You should put lorewalker Cho in this deck
Those kids who aren’t Legend coaching someone whose a fucking Legend.
Really enjoy your videos, but maybe turn the music in the back ground down just a touch. Normally it isn't distracting, but found this one just a bit too loud...but hey that's just my opinion. Keep up the great work!
Good to see something other than rogue, on this channel atleast
Wish chat didnt trigger you because otherwise that game was masterfully handled
Loved the video. Hope you make some Magic Arena content.
Another deck PogChamp
Smh, Kibler with all the misplays. Didn't even lethal with Meteorologist.
JK that play around Primordial Drake was pretty major. Shame they dropped that 2nd one though.
Hi Kibler! No Tess today?
Did everyone forget hes the Dragonmaster? Multiple MTG world champion.
Rank 25 chat at it again. Most misplays that Kibler does are either pure misclicks or due to time running out, making him sometimes miss out on things or do slightly inefficient trades. I very rarely see any other misplays. I see plays that were wrong guesses, but in order to win, only reacting will make it difficult. So he guesses things based off of experience and knowledge. Sometimes he's wrong, because it is a guess. Pointing out that a play could've been different based on knowledge you have of the future is pretty irrelevant to the moment. At best you can learn from it.
People are often way too focused on being right, it's annoying, even though I'm a bit of a hypocrite, since I do that as well sometimes. I don't think it's healthy, so we should all just learn how to yield at times. I did use the correct word (yield) right? I suddenly became a bit unsure. Basically, we should learn how to give up at times.
exactly this! i've been watching kibler's HS videos since day 1 and i can only remember 3 real misplays he did up to this date (plz dont make me try to remember the exact plays).
ppl who call wrong reads with information they acquired after the play happened misplays are just being captain hindsight. this is especially true if someone / kibler is in a bad spot and his best bet to win the game is an "overly optimistic" play like the opponent not having flamestrike in hand after drawing 17 cards and you have to flood the board before he gets it because you are left with no / little value to close out the game. more often than enough it is the correct play to go for a high risk / best case scenario when you are really far behind or have little to no value left and ppl still call it a misplay if you dont encounter the best case scenario that you basically needed to win. decision making is based on the current state of the board / information you have not on the information you acquired 3 turns after that mr chat.
SinceroOdio, exactly. Sometimes you're simply forced into doing bad plays as well, simply because it's your only way out of the situation. Sure, throwing out 5 minions with 4 or less health against a mage is usually a really poor play, but assuming the mage doesn't have Flamestrike to clear or Blizzard to slow down your attack, it might be the best available play. If you know you'll lose if you don't do it, then it's better to just take the risk. Losing in that scenario is not a misplay.
nice song nice gameplay
Nicest murder by words I've ever heard.
Did the opponent forget attack? 2:20
EDIT: Nevermind.
Love Kib
Is this a Lauryn Hill reference?
I love Sassy Kibler.
OOoo educating fools Kibler.
i know kibler said in a previous video that he prefers to tell those idiots/trolls his reasoning to educate them but at this point you really shouldn't waste your time with them. there's always going to be another one that does the same thing and it just ruins your mood or at least it seems like it does.
I think you should have played the flame elemental turn 6 so that you summon an 8 drop from astromancer instead of the 9 drop.
9 drops are statistically better than 8 drops now though.
Awesome! Love it
It amazes me how many tryhards will argue with an expert like Kibler on plays...
I came for my daily dose of Tess Greymane.
That trade only ended up leaving cenarius with 1 more health (as it traded with the golem instead of with the primordial drake). Both Kibler, who said it allow him an extra attack (???), and the keyboard asshole where wrong
Druid is perfect here. Brian can have all the best cards from espionage
29 rank chat confirmed.
Nice lesson of incorrectness :D
Any way this deck works without dk jaina?
Without the dk, you just have to win fast. Jaina is a late game, anti control card. She plays too late to be healthy for tempo. This deck usually focuses on smart trades and getting in that face damage to win the game quickly with board control
I am not sure that one can be 'very' incorrect. You're either correct or incorrect.
I have never seeing kibler angry with someone in the chat.. Always laughing, always chill... This guy in the chat must have been really annoying...