Are These TEN 90's Amiga Games Worth Playing Today? Evercade Team17 Collection 1 Review!
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My mom was always into Games like the bowling game you didnt like. SO yeah there is always a niche for games like that and the pool game.
Did qwak remind you of bubble bobble? Is that why it felt familiar?
@@eelobrian6727 nah, i mean it does remind me of bubble bobble in a way, but I think Ive played Qwak before at some point.
I think the Amiga shined more as a computer. Games that used point and click, like Monkey Island etc. Or art and music applications. Things that worked to its strengths. Nowdays we see a lot of people being exposed to the games that were trying to be arcade/console style and a lot of them were terrible. A few gems for sure, but a lot those are best forgotten.
arcade game can be very good like Silkworm but many ports was made by this lazy people from us gold so game looks like crap Outrun the best example
I appreciate your honest opinion on this cartridge, i think blaze should be loading these collections right up to at least 30 games even more per cartridge, then it wouldn't be as bad getting a few crummy games.
Love these Evercade reviews, even if just for discovering old games I've never heard of before.
Looks like a very mixed bag, this collection but still nice to see these games get another chance for someone like me to check out. I love this stuff. Thanks for the solid review MLP.
I am buying an Evercade this week.
its only good if you like collecting carts.... otherwise just buy a retro handheld like anbernic.. and have all the libraries from all the systems in your hands....not just 4-5 crap games you have to pay 20 euro to get them for evercade..... i havc almost all catridges from evercade and the handhelds..now i ordered the new dukenukem evercade vs...but i never ever play with them....its just for collection.....you will have more fun by getting an emulator handheld..and ofcourse will cost you less in the long run.
I appreciate the advice, I have looked at the library of carts slot of classics from youth. I don't mind cart collecting (you should see my Switch collection). It's in a nice neat easy digestible package. It will sit in my garage next to my mini consoles and I will flick it on and chill when I am smoking or whip it out when company comes around. I am well aware of the novalty it. I own a Shield Tv an emulating beast, with tons of games, running games on a hard drive. Meh. Even the best emulators still have some jank. But I am not of that ideology. I am from the time of, "get up and hit the reset button." But I do like to hear what people like yourself have to say on the matter.
You calling the Amiga a console? A crime! ☝️😅
Besides that, great video! 👍
We'll just pretend he's talking about the CD32 and give him a pass.🤣
Agreed!
I had the Amiga for producing music first and played games as an after thought.
Calling it a console is really showing his lack of knowledge 😂
We all can’t be blessed with British microcomputers growing up
CDTV was technically a console even though it was just an A500 with the keyboard chopped off in a vcr shell. CD32 was deffo a console though.
6:21 Joe's got his own fighting game LOL
The way these carts work, if you can find 2 games you want to go back and replay, for 20 bucks for the first run, its worth it. And the other stuff are good to mess around with and check out.
Good video and review of this Evercade cart. I never had an Amiga computer either! Some interesting games on this one!
Amiga games for the most part utilized, just like the C64 before it, the single button Atari 2600 style controller. That's why the control scheme sucks for fighting games. The controller port very well had the means to do more buttons, but developers settled for the good old single fire button scheme. :(
The other thing to mention, is that most Amiga games of the era (1990+) came out in PAL territories, and likelihood of these Evercade ports playing at 25fps / PAL is very high.
Amiga was a computer, and it came with lots of amazing games. Some utilized the mouse and keyboard as well, and some stuck to the single button joystick scheme.
Super Skidmarks was the best Amiga overhead racer, I'd like to see that make an appearance on the Evercade.
Alien Breed needs to be revamped as a twin-sticks shooter.
Supercars 2... By far...
I'm sorry but I was laughing so much when you were playing Alien Breed 2 and getting run over by the helicopters! Ridonculous indeed! Great vid!
Thank you, always, for your honest review! I might skip this one, but didn’t skip preordering the Duke console… oh well 😏
I like pool and bowling with friends but your opinions are pretty on point for most Evercade releases. 8)
Quack is definitely the best one. Here's hoping for a Nintendo Switch version.
I had an Amiga 500 but most of my games were late 80's- early 90's before I switched to A Sega Mega Drive
There's an Amiga game called Cyberblast that I played all the time on my old Mac back in the day. It's a long shot but I'm hoping it makes it into one of these collections someday.
Never heard of this one, reminds me of gauntles IV on the md/genni that i tried out yesterday (but obviously space vs DnD themed :) ) i guess with over 3000 games its hard to remember all of them :P
I did grow up with the Amiga and I also owned a SNES at the same time. I loved the Amiga more for earlier A500 games, OctaMED and Dpaint for Music and Art. The Amiga was a machine which I enjoyed a lot but unfortually it's hit and miss with many games. Beat 'em ups are probably the worse genre on the Amiga as they don't translate to a 1 button joystick very well. I agree with your thoughts on this one too.
Nice review Ron!
tbh mate growing up with these games i loved them (i had both the snes and mega drive as well) however playing them again through emulation is painful, nothing like the games i remember, canon fodder, alien breed and sensible soccer where the highlights for me
Why didn't they include Superfrog? That's the best Amiga Team17 game.
Future collections of course, can't blow all the good ones in collection 1
The Lucozade branding might be an issue?
My rule with Evercade carts is that if there is at least three games that I want to play, it's a buy for me.
The Amiga was not designed for arcade games like the ones in the 90's with big sprites. The games you shown like the fighting games was the Amigas attempt to compete with the SNES and Genesis but it wasnt designed for that. So no an Amiga owner would probably not have much nostalga for these games. Someting like Monkey Island point and click is a native Amiga game as well as Another World or Out of this World which was ported to the SNES. The SNES version was worse than the Amiga as they dripped the cinematic music and the graphics were a lower resolution.
As an Amiga lover i was with you until you said Project X gfx reminded you of a FLASH game?? Whats wrong with you! 😂😂😂 No, but thats polished gfx , which really has stood the test of time! Anyway thank you for giving the beloved Amiga some attention. Keep up the good work. 👌✌️
The Amiga tried to be a PC and an arcade machine at the same time.
It failed miserably at arcade games, with the notable exceptions of Turrican, Silkworm, Rod Land and Giana Sisters. Turns out running games at 25 fps with only one action button ain’t ideal for arcade games :P
The home computer side was where the Amiga shone brightest though. Keyboard and mouse controls were perfect for strategy, adventure and RPGs like Dungeon Master, Monkey Island, Lemmings, Populous and Eye of the Beholder. Everything else is best left to the Mega Drive or the Famicom.
Well said. Even its platforming games like Magic Pockets and GODS, while looking lovely, were really dull and a chore to play. Then there were the real stinkers like Captain Planet. Shadow of the Beast was probably one of the most overrated games at the time.
Flashback, Prince of Persia and Another World were excellent, though... but you could get them on the SNES.
The original Super Mario Brothers on the Famicom is as playable now as it was back then, which is a testament to how great it is.
Whereas all these Amiga games will maybe hold your interest for 1 minute.
Let me give you many more examples of arcade games that were awesome on the Amiga. It was a good arcade machine at the right hands. So off the top of my head we have: rainbow islands, bubble bobble, toki (best port of it on any system at the time), ghosts and goblins (same as toki, best on any system, miles ahead of shitty nes version), new zealand story, snow bros, pang (as arcade perfect as you could get), and these are just staight arcade ports (and I am sure I am missing a few). Then arcade like games (since you mention turrican and gianna sisters) we have swiv (again best port of the game, certainly better than both the MD and the SNES), superfrog, jim powers, leander, parasol stars, bc kid (both it and parasol stars equal to if not better than their original pce versions) and the list is long if you want me to continue... Oh and racers (just for the fun of it) there is Lotus Esprit 2 (all 3 of them actually but especially the 2nd one) that many consider the best arcade style racer of the time for home and super hang on which (at least the arcade part of it) was better than the MD version if nothing else, just for the option of having analogue controls via the mouse...
@@jimkrom Well, I’m happy for you, if you can tolerate 25 FPS action games just like that. After playing Ghouls’n Ghosts, R-Type and Pang on console, I got rid of my A500 immediately. Amiga Rainbow Islands has 25 FPS sprite animations with 50 FPS scrolling, which is jarring, but still sort of a decent effort for 1990. One also had to choose between either music or SFX in most Amiga games, which was just naff.
@@jimkrom Shadow Dancer is very authentic to the arcade, as well. :)
They should have done just one collection and put the best in there, or all of it. It's definitely missing Superfrog, it's got great level design, catchy music and it's really fun. I liked Body Blows Galactic better than the original. The graphics remind me of Streets of Rage.
Pool and bowling may be boring to you, but not to some people. But I see what you mean about the quality in regards to the games included in these cartridges. My issue with having them in collections like these is that there will be ones that may have one or two games you really like, but you don't care about the rest, so you end up missing out on it entirely. While I wouldn't personally say the Team17 Collection is a prime example, I do find there are other more egregious examples to put it bluntly. Something I find is occurring more and more with these collections over time.
Thanks for review
Body Blows is far from being the best Amiga fighting game, some people enjoy it, but I think Shadow Fighters, Fightin' Spirit (despite the constant disk swapping on the Amiga, is one of the best looking fighters on the system) and even Elfmania are better options (none of these are from team17, but hey ho).
I had Amiga as a kid / teenager. I loved it, it's awesome computer.
BUT
People don't understand (especially in US, grown on SNES / Genesis) that Amiga is totally NOT about arcade games - it's the worst thing you can do on Amiga.
The best games, many of them you cannot find on any other platform are games ... controlled with mouse and keyboard.
1. Awesome Point n click adventure games
- Secret of monkey island,
- Indiana jones and the fate of atlantis
- Beneath a steel sky
2. RPG games, but not jRPG, not boring japanese dungeon crawlers, not even isometric / top-down ones.
- Ishar series - first person, with pretty graphic, mouse controlled, story driven. Open air, dungeons etc.
3. Awesome economic games
- Detroit - still one of the best of running your own ... car making company :)
- Championship Manager - yep, the best Football Manager series started on Amiga. It has more than 30 years now.
4. Strategy / City Builders etc.
- Settlers
- Utopia
- Deuteros
- Railroad Tycoon
- Millenium
- K240
5. Adventure games, pretty often First person perspective or isometric, futuristic, cyberpunk
- Dreamweb,
- Elvira series,
- Burntime,
- BAT2,
- Transarctica
- Lost Patrol (your squad is left behind enemy lines (in Vietnam ?) and you need to go back - one of the best games when it comes to building immersion at that time to me :) ).
- Perihelion
Do you know any of these games ? Most probably not. Maybe one or two games were ported and released on SNES / Mega-Drive
It's not a bad cart, BUT it would be probably very difficult to license all the best games controller with pad / joystick, because literally you would need to pick like the best of the best. Alien Breed is great, but other games are rather anonymous.
The games that come to my mind played well with pad / joystick on Amiga are:
- Sensible World of Soccer
- Chaos Engine
- Great Giana Sisters
- Pang
- Panza Kick Boxing
- Rodland
- Ruff n Tumble
- Silkworm
Summary - the best, classic, nostalgia games, or games that other platform could be jealous about are games ... controlled with mouse.
On Amiga you literally could play genres / mechanics non existing on consoles, while for pure arcade pad / joystick controlled games was pretty much always worse than on SNES / MegaDrive
Evercade needs to make a CRT-based console so we can play our cartridges through component or composite on our retro TVs!
Just get an hdmi to crt converter. Nothing diffefent to what such a console would use
Hey as always another great video thanks. I agree the alien breed game looks ok. The all terrain race again ok. But the duck game looks fab. Going to look at that in-depth. Thanks mad pixel
Amiga has tons of classics that are great, But only 2 of them on that cartridge sadly !
I recently downloaded a retropie image with 11,000 games running on systems from the 1980s to the 2000s. Arcade, Sinclair, Commodore, Amstrad, Nintendo, Atari, Sega, NEC. All the more successful 8 bit, 16 bit and 32 bits Computers and Consoles.
While there are a lot of excellent games (particularly the arcades), I found a lot the games I used to play in the 80s and 90s flat. I have some nostalgia for them, but beyond that, they are limited.
Perhaps it's because in the last few years, I've got used to huge AAA games with dozens, if not hundreds of hours of storyline, with detailed (and often well written) characters. The games of the 80s and 90s, if they have a storyline at all is usually pretty much at the level of "you are an unknown character who is on a moon and needs to shoot stuff".
Retro games are not about story. Its about gameplay. Try finishing Ninja Gaiden
@@steveno7058 I get that, and I still do love some of them, it's just I find some of the ones I used to love in the 80s and 90s feel a little limited now. I think it's partly due to changes in gameplay on modern games, partly due to technology and partly due to me changing. I suspect when I was younger, I just wanted the rush of completing a game, and now I want something different.
I know what you mean, I recently downloaded the entire NES library to have a look as it bombed here in the UK and I never got to play on one back in the day but Americans seem to gush over how great the games were. Erm, no, 99% of them were just drab looking repetitive snoozefests and the few worth playing have still aged pretty badly.
Conversely, I detest cut scenes and `character development` or story in modern games, especially the unskippable ones. Stop boring me with your sub par little movie and let me play the bloody game.
What would you say is best c64 collection 2 or this Team 17 cart ?
What your favorite video game
i just bought the evercade. buddy kept harping on it lol. so i bought the console AND the handheld. also the special white hardshell case to carry it i saw on amazon for like 17 bucks. anyway, my handheld came with the 18 built in capcom games AND an irem arcade game cart. nice. but why not have the capcom games on cart?! i'd have to buy a mini hdmi cable just to play the handheld on my laptop or tv. anyway, i'll hook the console up later and play the 2 carts that came with it. im not into amiga and coleco. im an american gamer, most of us didnt have amiga or coleco back then. i wanna see more arcade titles. i wanna see some black tiger an speed rumbler and pit fighter and narc and shinobi and all kinds of good stuff in the future. so far the handheld is nice, im sure then console is better, playin games on a huge tv and all. i'll be buying some more carts soon. renovation collection, lynx collection, toaplan collection, namco collection and more.
Capcom wont give them the license for a cart, only as build ins for handheld. Sounds crazy, but thats how it is.
Too bad they couldn't get some better games, especially ports where the Amiga had the best version.
Confused that Superfrog is not part of this collection.
I never owned or played an Amiga. I was a console player. There are not enough there to make me want to play them.
Team 17 are a really overrated software house. As a former Amiga owner can confirm they're only good for Worms and a couple alien breeds. It's not just you. ATR & Qwak is solid too.
Where the Amiga excelled was platformers. A Bitmap Bros. Or Psygnosis collection would showcase the system much better
The best thing they did in the modern era is Overcooked. Other than that I still think of them as budget game specialists.
Hm, i m interested which ps1 bios file Evercade uses for ps1 emulation. Does anybody know?
i dont like the amiga and the western style games in the 80s /90s. The Sharp x68000 was way better then the amiga
Just put the point and clicks on and have done with it
Why are the game selections so regularly atrocious on evercade carts??
who misses disk swapping ? 🤣🤣
Noooooope!
I’ll pass
Pretty garbage selection I think too many of these carts are pretty weak
Games like Body Blows control the way they do, because joysticks for all the major computers at the time used just one button, so fighting games had to be built around a "context" system, where you'd hold down the button and press the stick in a direction to get different moves. This was fine for games built from the ground up for it, but when you'd port something like Mortal Kombat to the Amiga, the moves no longer worked like their arcade counterparts.
Nostalgia plays a big part with the Amiga games. The truth is they ain't as great as we remember them but it's still cool to revisit. The Amiga and Atari ST were well established here in Blighty before the 16 bit consoles really took off. Plus, "sharing" games was a huge scene over this side of the pond ;-) Keep up the awesome work!
I disagree. On Amiga you have totally different games than on consoles. You have dozens of point n click, strategy, adventure, mouse and keyboard controlled games. You cannot replace it with consoles. Consoles took off arcade games, but to be fair Amiga wasnt even designed for such
A breakout/arkanoid collection on Evercade would be cool if it came with a paddle controller.
As someone who owned the Amiga, back in the day, most action/arcade styled games were generic and mediocre. They spent most of the time on the graphics, instead of focusing on gameplay. And the controls mostly sucked as well. That's why I spent most of my time on the consoles instead.
I like Alien Breed though. They should have made this a Alien Breed collection, and skip the other games.
How you gonna have a team 17 collection without a worms game?
They previously released a Team17 Worms collection cartridge.
@@Madlittlepixel ah
Steve Brule nice
@@ParanoidThalyyMVS indeed,it's for your health
I loved body blows ibm, and i had snes sf2.
Wait, what? You had both, but chose to play a game with *one* button over the perfection that is SF2? Please explain O_o
I can say for sure the Alien Breed games are what you would most likely be getting this cart for. Qwak and the RC racing games fill out the mid range choices. The rest are nostalgia or Niche enjoyment titles. But its nice to see these old school games get a modern release.
But what happened to Team 16 is the real question 😂
Body Blows was the best we had on the Amiga at the time. You also have to keep in mind that we had less buttons on the Amiga joysticks.
Yup a bit similar to Zool being the amiga sonic......Body blows was the amiga street fighter and by golly i think it is safe to say it is a lot better than the official amiga sf2! a shame they did not port the cd32 version which did have 6 button support i think (never had a cd32 so not 100% sure) even so i fully agree snes/md sf2 and mk were better!
Yeah, Body Blows plays a lot like Death Sword.
Body blows galactic, hell of a game on the amiga
Shadow Warrior and Fighting Spirit was the best we had in my opinion and also Mortal Kombat 2 was really good conversion i think. But for me IK+ has aged the finest. 😊
Evercade needs a Fight stick controller
The Amiga never did pull off a decent fighting game. Shame they didn't include any of the Worms games.
Well...Ik+ was a great game but an older style.
@@Scopie33 Agreed. But IK+ wasn't anything like Body Blows. I suppose I should have been more specific with my comment.
it certainly did. shadow fighter and fightin spirit both great original amiga fighters, mk1 and mk2 are great ports (only 2 buttons doh) and the super sf2 turbo port, despite the horrible gfx, is arcade perfect gameplay-wise (even supports 6 buttons).
This video review is exactly why i’m hesitant to grab an Evercade. Many of the titles on these collections just aren’t worth the money. I’m jody not seeing much i want to play. No offense to the fans, of course. Great video, thanks for posting it.
When i first saw project x the sound and graphics blew me away., sadly the games just too hard to be fun. The alien breed games were the same. In their day they were amazing. I have them on an emulator now but never play them. I do however still play lots of amiga games. When I had my amiga any game by team 17 was guaranteed to be quality, as where psygosis (not sure of spelling).
If you did a deep dive into the best of the Amiga, I would be up for that. I don't know anything about that system, and if there's anything worth playing today, I'd like to check it out.
To me, this cartridge is "Alien Breed Collection". Too bad they have not included Alien Breed 3D.
The Alien Breed games look really interesting. I would play those as well. Thanks for the review.
Love the video. One thing, Amiga was not a console. It was a full computer.
The problem with the Alien Breed games is they don't work using a gamepad. They were not designed for that.
same with all these amiga games really..
The Amiga was a home computer, not a console.
Qwak is still ace!
Thanks M.L.P
The evercade is such an awesome idea, I'm just not a fan of the games, I have no nostalgia for any of them, never heard of any of them before. Could you imagine if somebody did the evercade idea with genesis or NES games? That'd be fuckin epic.
All of these are free and legal from Dream 17 lol.