Girsan MC P35 PI Shoot & Review - Browning Hi-Power Clone
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I picked one of these up a couple weeks ago; I already had the full size. The PI does balance better as you say; feels great.
Love these guns.
The lowers are 100% the same; as you said the slide length and sights are the only differences.
Good video.
Girsan makes fine weapons, never had a issue with mine.....have 6 different models, not this one though. Good video, thanks. I'm sure it will work out and it will run smoothy.
Thinking it's the extractor. More on that in the next video...
Yeah its bascislly the Compact version of a standard full size Hi-Power. They both Operate and run like A dream. Have em both and they'll Eat about any jhp,fmj,or ball ammo you feed it,with no problems. If you ever get the chance to get ahold of the regards MC model..their basically A M9 beretta clone. They run flawlessly.
I love the MC, have already featured 2 on the channel...
Back in the day. The original Browning Hi Power didn't like having a full 13 rds in the magazine. In fact the British Army loaded 12 rds in the mag with one in the chamber when going into action. Otherwise it was 12 and chamber empty when in garrison. I load my Girsan with 13 and one in the chamber.
Several times these ftf's happened with less than 10 left in the mag...
I have an Original Browning Hi Power Practical that I absolutely love. I bought it new in the early 90's and have been happy I did ever since. Everyone that has shot that gun has wanted to buy it. They point very well and shoot accurately. I once killed a porcupine at 80 long paces unsupported with it.
A very good friend of mine has the Girsan MC P35 target model and I shot it well. It's accuracy, reliability, fit and finish are all excellent and he's very happy with it
I don't have experience with the shortened slide variant of the Hi Power, but just like with the 1911, the shorter you make the slide the more difficult it becomes to achieve 100% reliability. There is less room and less time for the rounds to come up from the mag and feed into the chamber and the angle becomes steep and critical very quickly. It's new so I'd return it to the factory as it should run.
Sometimes a little polishing of the feed ramp helps, sometimes the mag spring weight can be changed to increase or decrease the time it takes the round to rise prior to the slide grabbing it. Sometimes the recoil spring weight can be increased or decreased to increase reliability.
I think it's the extractor/break in needed, more on that in the follow up video.
@@BuckeyeBallistics Too little extractor tension can leave cases in or partially in the chamber. Too much extractor tension can sometimes interfer with the next round coming out of the mag. There's also extractor length and shape which both can contribute to failure.
It's too tight and the shape is less than ideal (no taper, sharp edges). I'm thinking break-in and hotter ammo will help/resolve the issue. About to find out here in a couple hours...
Was the porcupine attacking?
@@BuckeyeBallistics Another thing You might try is a little Butch's bore shine, or Break Free Bore paste on a cleaning patch & polish the chamber.
It is the ammunition that lax ammo is made by freedom which is notoriously low powered ammo and since that is a Turkish gun they are designed around nato ammo which is hot 124 until they get broke in and those do require a break of n of about 2-500 rounds judging by the ejection it’s the ammo hope this helps
I was gonna try hotter ammo in the follow up video
Yeah, I was going to buy some LAX/Freedom until I read many reviews regarding underpowered rounds.
... I'm a big Hi-Power fan, I bought a full size Girsan p35 when they first came out, watching a few videos on these pistols it seems that reliability problems stem from the fifteen round mags, ether down load the fifteen to thirteen ( the original round for the weapon) or buy some thirteen rounders and it will run fine for you ...
Hmmm. In my update video I ran hotter ammo and it ran 100%. I found the extractor to be a little tight...
Even though your CZ ate the ammo, the problem could still be that ammo. It looks like the extractor needs to be tuned or adjusted. But the problem could be the brass is thicker at the rebated rim. Basically, that would mean a tolerance stack between the brass and the extractor, which would probably work fine with many other brands of brass. But put them together and you wind up with problems.
I posted a follow up video to this- the extractor was too tight. I chambered a steel case bullet about 100 times and it helped a lot. Either needed slightly tuned as you said or just broken in...
.....its the Ammo!!!!!!!! ......TULA is substantially better than LAX!!!!!!
@jack - That's funny, because I have ran a bunch of LAX and Freedom Munitions (same company) through a bunch of other guns with zero issues. Even today, ran another 100 rounds of it through another gun, no problems...
CZ - end of story
I have the full size . It groups way better with the 115 . No malfunction like your experiencing. Removing the mag safety makes all the difference
Interesting about the 115gr. I recorded the follow up video yesterday, will be up soon. I managed to resolve the issue in the video...
i own a old fn hipower my grandfather brought back from Europe after ww2. i carry it daily and learned to point/cowboy shoot in a defensive situation. carrying a full size HI power daily can be rather a bitch. lol. thank you for the review i am headed to Vance's in Obetz Ohio to buy one. btw I'm a Ohioan to
I seen they had them on sale recently for like $470 or something
@@BuckeyeBallistics just bought the compact
I have always dreamed of a Compact HI- POWER BROWNING 😊..
TO the extent of planning to Chop one of my Belgian FN HIGH POWER 😮..
I WILL definitely get one of these Compact HI-POWER as soon as they become available to where I live 😁👍
Stop just forcing the slide closed after a FTF. Stop, pull your mag and investigate! It is generally very simple to ascertain the problem and often an easy fix. Possibilities: a burr on the extractor, a burred or rough breech face, a rough feed ramp or a mag issue. Ammo is also a possibility but not too high on my list as the GP-35 was designed as a military pistol and with eat pretty much any reasonable quality 9x19mm
That's what the follow up video is for which posts today...
Yep I agree.
I think I'd wait until Girsan introduces an alloy frame to take full advantage of a "compact" model. I have the steel full size one on order.
I like these Girsan Hi-power makes. They are good looking. I have three Hi-power and love them. I've wondered how these economy reproductions run. I'm looking forward to the follow up to see what that feeding issue was. It may work itself out over time. It could be the magazine too and not the gun. Who knows. Anyway, thanks for sharing.
Every review I've watched, they run great. Figures my luck is I get a picky one. I think it's the extractor- more on that in the follow up video. Thanks for stopping by.
@@BuckeyeBallistics late to the party, but as a H-Power shooter for thirty years I've learned to throw away any mag that isn't FN (made by Mec-Gar) or Mec-Gar aftermarket mags. That includes Argy, Czech or other mags, especially ProMags which are the worst. Anyway, I'd try a Mec-Gar before going to the trouble of mailing it back. The Hi-Power design is just peculiar about mags. Everything about the mag has to be perfect, height, feed lip shape and angle, everything... Mec-Gar are the only ones that I trust.
@kodiac - Mec-gar is the manufactuer of the MC P35 mags...
@@BuckeyeBallistics Then I'd bet it's not the mag...
@@BuckeyeBallistics And that's good to know because EAA announced an aluminum frame PI sometime this year. I'm salivating at the thought and will order as soon as it's available. That would be the perfect carry gun.
I like a nice Hi-Power. I'd have to go for a standard length barrel personally.
Funny story about that. When I looked at it in the shop, I knew nothing about the "PI" model, or any of the other models for that matter. I just saw it, knew what it was, and it was on my "to get" list. I thought it looked shorter than normal though, and I asked the guy (who is always there and runs the place) if it was a shortened model. He said "no they're all that length." I told him I was pretty sure an original Hi-Power was longer than that but took his word for it, assuming he knew what he was talking about since he runs the shop. Well, he was wrong lol. Not a big deal and I'm glad I got the newest release (good for the channel), but I hate it when I know more about guns than the salesman, especially when they misinform me because they don't know what they're talking about...
Damn shame about the malfunctions; Girsan's are typically pretty solid.
I'm actually beginning to doubt that- that or I have terrible luck. Had issues with their 1911 a couple years ago as well. Only Girsan I've never had an issue with was the Regard- two of them actually. I'll stand behind that one...
@@BuckeyeBallistics Gotta admit my personal experience with Girsan is very limited. I've had good luck with the TISAS guns though, so I'll probably stick with them for budget guns of this sort.
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Thanks for the vid. Did you make a follow up video? Any chance you can do a video on the OPS PI version? Thanks
Just posted this one a few days ago, will have an update out within a couple weeks max. No plans to purchase the OPS model anytime soon, though I will eventually get one.
Just ordered the PI version from Bud’s , should be at the FFL tomorrow….. I’ll know if it’s any good soon
Every review I've seen they are good. I think I found the issue though, more on that in the next video.
Good looking pistol man. Thanks for sharing
Ayyeee! Didn't think I was ever going to see you on the channel again. Thanks for stopping by...
@@BuckeyeBallistics Im always watching even if i dont comment lol
@@TheHide Oh for real? Sorry man, I thought you weren't watching me anymore lol. I tend to comment when I watch yours so you know I was there. It's all good either way, you know you're my brother...
@Guns&Cars Oh yeah I try an watch as many as I can even if I dont always comment.. 👊
I doubt it is the ammo, as your CZ consumed it without issue. The magazine on the Browning HP was originally 13, Mec-Gar who makes the 15 rounder that came in the Girsan might be an issue but the probability is low. First Mec-Gar makes quality magazines and second the 15 round hi power mags have been made by them since the 90’s and I have never heard of them being problematic before. That said, try a standard 13 round capacity Mec-Gar and see if the malfunctions continue.
I think the issue might be that the extractor tension is too high and the extractor is grabbing the rim of the feeding cartridge and it is inhibiting feeding enough to cause intermittent failures. Pinned extractors are generally reliable though and I think it is probably not what is happening here but worth a thought.
My biggest suspicion on the malfunction culprit is the recoil spring system. I think once the slide was shortened the physics changed with increased slide velocity and the recoil springs are not of the right design, or perhaps not of the right metallurgy or weight to handle the increased slide velocity. There is data online available that said Hi-Powers with shortened slide had reliability issues due to the recoil springs not being up to the job.
If it is determined that the recoil springs are the issue, Hopefully Girsan addresses the issue with an improved design. Or perhaps an outside vendor like BH Spring solutions will take an active interest in fabricating a recoil spring solution.
Thanks for taking the time to provide all that intel. I believe it is the exctractor- update video posting next week.
Good luck. Keep us posted.
BH already has updated springs for the MC 35
I want one of there 10mm 6" 1911 Hunters!! ❤❤
I'm eyeballing a few entry level 10mm 1911's for future videos...
The mag release is not ambidextrous. Altho i beleive there are aftermarket parts for that modification unless im mistaken...
About nice finds.
Last week i checked did i heard right that one sport store near is still having old cz 75b:s in shelf.
And yes they did had one left. Didnt had yet permit papers to buy it.
But 400e(tax included) from unfired 75b still in orginal case and factory grease is kind of steal.
No wonder friend got interested about it.
For fun that clerk told us that if we happen also have permits to buy 22lr pistol he could throw
mcm margolin (unfired in factory case) on that sale for free. Otherwise those will get thrown
into smelter in near future when he wants to get rid off his gun selection.
You saw the part about the CZ75 in the video? I love it. Wait till you see the review- blows this Girsan out of the water.
@@BuckeyeBallistics I heard that you mentioned cz75 bit before video ended.
For what i have experice about 75/75b shadow 1, shadow 2, tactical sport orange
i can honestly say that polymer frames wont feel same no matter how good
overally those are. And if had to mention example then i would say that canik rival
is nice gun but steel frame guns just feel about right.
And i know there are now steel framed caniks but having too similiar price
what shadow 2 have in here. So contest which one i will pick is over
very quicly.
Edit: So when you said there how much better 75 was than this gun i was not exacly suprised.
My guns hate that Lax ammo in .45... My CZ-97B will choke on it now and then, and my Sig 320 won't light off the hard primers like 1/3 of the time.
I had a few hundred rounds of the Freedom Munitions (same as LAX) 9mm a couple years back and everything I put it in ran it 100%. Immediately after *this* video, I ran 100rds of this same LAX through my CZ75 and had zero issues. The following week I ran 100 or so rounds of it through my Ruger Max-9 and had zero issues with it as well (all videos posted). Were yours reloads or reman?
@@BuckeyeBallistics Remanufactured. Never tried the Lax 9mm, but the regular Freedom Munitions runs fine and lights off in all my guns, both 9 and 45.
I have fired thousands (over 10,000) rounds of remanufactured 9mm from Lakeshore Ammunition and only 1 round wouldn't go into battery without some persuasion and only one primer wouldn't light the round off.
I really want to love the Girsan Hi-Power clones but I'm skeptical. A Hi-Power with a shorter slide (PI) and a rail (Ops) would be great... but no mag disconnect... and it's gotta be 100% reliable.
Yeah I've heard bad things about their reman/reloads, but mine was all new production. I posted a follow up video to this gun a few days ago, got it running good on other ammo- check it out. Generally from what I've seen these guns are pretty reliable, I must have just got a picky one.
I suspect You MAY have not done a full strip and clean. MANY times a Handgun will malfunction because of burrs or chips left over from manufacture. the heavy OIL they usually use does not help either. The only other thing that comes to mind is a defective mag or recoil spring. Might also have a rough feeding ramp, likely though since You say it gets better as the mag gets empty it may again be the magazine.
Extractor was too tight
After watching your video I have no confidence to buy this gun.
They shouldn't let them leave the factory like that huh? I discussed/resolved the issue in the follow up video, posting next week.
Every now and then you just get one that's not right. Regardless of who makes it.
I've owned several Walthers. All of them except for one, had been exceptional pistols. The p99 that I had, simply would fail to go into battery. And anybody that says the p99 isn't a reliable weapon, can argue that with all the police and military agencies that have serviced it. Just that one.
Tho, in retrospect... if I'd have known 5 years ago they were gonna discontinue it... I'd have shelved it for a while before selling it! 😭
Any hammer bite?
None for me
Their 1911 had that failure to go fully into battery also.
Turkish delight. Owned an Inglis HP and an FN mk2, and carried a military issued FN never ever had a failure to feed even with dirty old 1950s czech ammo. Mags? Rough feed ramp. Weak spring on the rod? Shame as looks good.
In the follow up video I concluded that the extractor was too tight on this one
Turkish Steel meets American Mormon know how!
But I'm not Mormon 😏😅
@@BuckeyeBallistics Browning was a mormon :D
Oh ok, did not know that!
@@BuckeyeBallistics ;)
Is it Night Sights ?
No
Oh man, smacking the slide home that often just makes range time no fun. ...I have a Beretta 84 clone that only likes certain ammo, otherwise I have to tap it home.
From Girsan? I have had two of those on the channel and they both ate anything I fed them.
@@BuckeyeBallistics Tisas's Fatih 13.
Oh sorry for some reason my dumb brain thought you meant the 92 (Girsan Regard). I'm working on getting the Fatih 13 soon for review along with a couple other new .380's.
That hammer looks like it can get you......
All Hi-Powers are 15+1. It's all about the mags.
...AUSGEZEICHNET!!!!!
I would never buy a Girsan anything after buying one of their 1911’s. Total garbage
Junk!😮 Spend the $1,200 for a real FN Hi-Power!😊 Buy Federal or a name brand cartridges too! 😊
Ever had an expensive weapon have issues.......I have.....it will all come out in the wash.
Don't have $1200 😭
Why? They're just a terrible as this one. And also find a FN or Browning that comes with a barrel shorter than the 4.7."
For being an INCH shorter, is it worth it to you comparing it to the FULL SIZE?
Especially for the fact that it is the STOCK that determines the PRINT.
I already answered your two previous comments on both videos. I don't know about you, but I'm not trying to conceal carry something that weighs this much- compact or not.