How to Automatically Descale a Gaggia Brera
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Learn how to descale Gaggia Brera super-automatic espresso machines. Please note: the procedure in this video applies to machines manufactured from mid-2013 and on only.
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Best company ever! Love this video for helping me to descale my Gaggia Brera I purchased for my hubby though Whole Latte Love. I use it each time I descale! They are always quick to answer questions or concerns via chat. I get all our Lavazza Espresso Beans and cleaning products through them too. Thanks!
Hi Chrissy, Thank you for the kind feedback! We do our very best to support before, during and after a purchase!
Marc
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same here. 😂 somehow i can’t remember how to get into the descaling mode.
I watch your video every single time I have to descale my machine. Thank you ❤
You're welcome and thank you for the comment!
Love this video I have to refer back every time my machine needs descaling
Hi AH, Happy to help and thanks for the comment!
Me too - have watched it so many times in seven years of ownership and the machine still works perfectly . .
@@orrbarone got mine in 2012 and use it everyday. Great little machine if you keep it maintained 😀
Yea me too lol
Me too lol
Great video! A tip for everyone, put the machine above the sink and detach water leak system. Then you dont have to use a cup
Great tip!
This video is housed in my RUclips video favorites for easy access every few months. Honestly would not be able to descale this wonderful unit without this easy to understand video. Yet another reason to purchase all of your coffee needs from Whole Latte Love! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Hi Mike, Thanks for the comment and you are welcome! We do out best to provide top-notch support to our customers!
@@WholelattelovepageGreat video! Is there a way to force a manual descale cycle? Thanks!
I use this video every time. Thank you!
Hi RR TF, You are welcome and thank you for the comment!
Lol me too. Still didnt memorize it 😂
@@e.r.6147 it's complicated 😂
I agree with Nicholas! I spent two hours trying to extinguish the descale light first by following the directions on the descale bottle and then the machine instructions. Finally, I wised up and looked to Latte Love.
Hi Jim, Glad we could help! Here's a link to our support wiki for the Gaggia Brera. Pretty much everything you would ever need to know for use and maintenance. Videos, troubleshooting, manuals, etc: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia_Brera
Step by step, just what I needed! Thanks so much 🙏🙏🙏
Hi Francisco, You are welcome and thank you for the comment!
Yes, I'm back. Two months have passed since I was here last. Cheers Whole Latte L❤️ve.
Hi RRTF, Welcome back!
Thank you for this! I was racking my brain trying to clear the descaling light after performing the cleaning. The manual says to hold the measure button 6 seconds but does nothing. Turning the machine off and then holding shot and lupo buttons at the same time did the automated descaling as in your video. Man on the one side I wasted 30 minutes doing descaling a 2nd time, but on the other side, the next time I descale I can let it go auto. Thanks again.
Hi, You are welcome. A few years ago Gaggia added the automatic descaling to the Brera. Think a few machines got out without updated manuals.
Here I am again for my quarterly clean. Cheers for the video!
Hi RRTF, Glad to have you back!
Marc
This is my go to video , easy peasy!
Hi r, Thanks for taking the time to comment!
Thank you for this video! It helped immensely.
Interesting. Manufacturing date on my door indicates 2021, but Gaggia logo is on top.
Thanks you guys are awesome. You guys are my go to when I need to perform maintenance on my machine!!!
Any time!
Cheers once more, with a whole latte love the Brera keeps going strong ❤️💪
Hey BT, Thanks a whole latte for the comment!
Marc
Back again, cheers whole latte love.
Hi B-s T, Nice to have you!
Love this product! Love your instructional videos! You have made a very happy coffee drinker. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Hi Tim, You are very welcome and thanks for the comment. We love hearing that a whole latte!
Thanks for the video and all of the other videos you guys do! Loving my Gaggia Brera!
Hi Amanda, You are welcome! Happy to hear you are loving your Brera and thanks for taking a moment to leave your comment. Truly the best value in a super-auto machine!
Marc
Thanks for the video's. I got the machine about a month ago and love it.
Hi Matt, You are welcome and thank you for the comment!
Marc
Very helpful and easy to follow.
Hi Anthony, Thanks for taking the time to comment. It's appreciated a whole latte!
General tip: put the device above the sink and you don't have to empty the cups during the process
Thanks for the tip. When descaling super-autos I usually set next to sink and use tin foil to direct water from spouts directly into sink.
Back again for descale 😆
Hi AH, It's the video that keeps on giving!
Thanks great video
Hi Johnny, You are welcome and thank you for the comment! We love it a whole latte!!!
Marc
Thank you so much.
1:15. 2:20. 2:49. 3:08. 4:05.
You're welcome!
I got scared when read the manual, after watching your video I'm ready to go! Thanks
Glad I could help
Great video - you saved my Gaggia from ending in a garbage can....This machine is not worth the money $600-$700 . Water and coffee coming out of the wrong places constantly and Gaggia would not replace the machine even though is still under warranty. Also not to mention the manuals which came with the machine are outdated. If you decide to buy any coffee machine make sure the manufacturer stands by it.
Hi Peaches, I'm a little confused. Hopefully you did not purchase the machine from us! We are definitely here to help our customers. May want to bookmark our support wiki for the Brera: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia_Brera It has the latest manuals, diagrams, use tips, troubleshooting info and more. If you did purchase the machine from us and need onon on one phone support here is our contact info: www.wholelattelove.com/contact-us
Marc
Great video, thanks
Thanks so much for this video - otherwise, i don't know if I would have ever done it on my own!!
Rosalie Majerus You are welcome!
This video is very professionally made 🥂
For those who ask about the need to descale when using bottled water. Bottled water is not distilled water, it still contains ions that will eventually clog the machine, even though it takes longer
Hi ML, Thanks for adding that. I'll mention a few more things... Not a good idea to use distilled water in espresso machines. Lacking minerals distilled water or pure reverse osmosis water will over-extract coffee resulting in bitter flavors. Also, distilled and RO water can cause corrosion of metal components. That's why you never see those water types stored or transported in metal containers or pipes. Not all bottled waters are the same. There are some which are unlikely to cause scale but others like mineral or spring waters which have high mineral content.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Agree, distilled water is a very corrosive liquid!
@@Wholelattelovepage what kind of water would you recommend is best? Perhaps just regular Brita filtered water?
THANK YOU !!!
No problem!
0:36 just fyi, this isn't true. Our model has Brera below and has an automatic descaling function too, exactly as this video works.
The jingle at the end tho 😂
Thanks for the comment - guess it made an impression!
Thanks once again
Always welcome
Thanks for this video, it's clear and well made. Question: Is it normal to have to descale every month? That's roughly how often the light comes on. We filter our water and brew 6-10 cups a day. Just wondering since I've seen 2-3 months given as advice more often. Doing the descaling that often is not a problem for me, just curious if it means the machine will wear more quickly. Would you recommend using store-bought filtered water?
Only about 10% of the descaling solution flows through the group head and 90% through the steam wand. It seems there should be more liquid coming through the group head. Any suggestions or guidance?
Starts at 2:00 for those that need to get to it ASAP
this is confusing. some of your other videos DO NOT distinguish and say we can use either decalicifiers. So what exactly do we have? Older pre automatic descaling option and newer ones? Which ones have an aluminum boiler and which ones have stainless steel or brass?? I need to know because on the other video your experts are adamant about using Durgol Swiss Decalcifier for aluminum and dezcal for stainless steel?? I want to know what I have--and purchase the correct decalcifier and you need to put one version on your videos. Because in this video you do not distinguish at all and led me to believe I can use any of the assortments in your pictured video.
Hi Lisa, Descalers can be confusing! Gaggia Breras have a stainless steel lined boiler. You can use any of the descalers shown in the video. As you mention, Durgol Special Swiss is a better choice for aluminum boilers. But even for those any of the descalers can be used but you should limit aluminum boilers to no more than 20 minutes of contact with a descaler containing citric acid as the active ingredient according to Urnex. In older videos the Durgol may have been recommended out of an abundance of caution.
So use Dezcal on a 2015 Brera? What's best?
If using water filtered with a Zero Water filter is descaling still necessary? Is the machine requiring descaling based on a set number of brews or can it sense scale?
Yes its that time again to descale my Berea
I’ve descaled ours many times and never once has it rinsed the group head. Is this a flaw in the machine? My drip tray is always completely full after descaling, and I’m wondering if it’s going there instead. My sister and BIL have the same machine and have the same issue. It comes out of the steam wand fine.
same here, I think it did rinse the group head the first time just like in the video but since then the water just collects in the reservoir before moving on in the process. I purchased my unit from @wholelattelove due to the community and support knowledge you all publish and of course ties to Rochester, NY.
@wholelattelove Can I used regular white vinegar to descale if I don’t have the recommended descale solution?
So, what are differences between the models before mid-2013 and after?
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Andra Papuc Indeed! Mine is many years old and still making kick ass espresso 😊 of course Im descaling and taking care if it well but it’s proven awesome 👏 made in romania ! 🇷🇴
Bine ca inca se mai fac lucruri de calitate in Romania, poti sa mi zici cum se prezinta acest expressor de la gaggia in opinia ta?de cat timp il ai?ai avut vreo problema cu el?am inteles ca la fiecare 15 minute isi face autocuratarea?sunt in cautarea unui expressor automat de calitate si mi-ar fi de ajutor opinia ta in a lua o decizie finala
I can't find the video for decalcifying older models. Could someone please post that video for me?
I could do with the old model descaling video too whole latte love can you sort us out please help
Buy the new machine
🤔🤔 When I have descaled my machine, the solution was coming out the steam wand just fine but when it came time to cycle through the group head, all the solution leaks out the bottom of the machine and all over the table. No solution went through the group head, all to the bottom of the machine and a little on the drip tray. Has this happened to anybody else? What’s the solution to this? My machine been only used for about 6 months. HELP‼️
Hi Fudge, Leaks are no fun. here's a video which covers a common cause of leaks and how to easily fix: ruclips.net/video/nra9Wrlm1MU/видео.html
If it's not the issue in the video and you are in the US or Canada go here for help from our Tech Support team: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=1500000236921
@@Wholelattelovepage I contacted WholeLatteLove tech support and they’ve been working on finding a fix for the situation, thank you!! :)
you talk about the solution but i don’t see you using it?
What is your definition of 'normal use'? Also, what is low use? and how often should it be descaled then?
Normal use is a family of 4or 5 drinking 5 cups a day . Low will be just wife and husband, 2 to 3 cups a day . How often ? The machine is smart and uses its fuzzy logic to turn on the descale light. So for heavy use the light comes on more frequently . For low and normal use around 3 to 4 months . However after 3 months of use if the light doesn't come on wait 10 days and still the light is not on, do a descale any way . Marc did not answer your question because he did not want to go on record by defining "normal " "low" and heavy . As a seller of coffee machines he is liable to stand behind what he quoted, because Marc also does after sales machine repair service . Several variables such as water quality and carefully following maintenance procedures and machine use methods prevent one from putting a value/number to " Normal/Low/& Heavy use . Hundreds of customers follow his channel to get answers after they purchase a Gaggia brand coffee machine . So each have to figure out what their " normal/low/and heavy use numbers are. Your question was just a common sense question and therefore I answered it using my common sense. It may not necessarily work for everyone. Remember the "variables" !
does anyone know how to descale an OLDER gaggia brera? The date on the panel of mine is 06/2010
Found the 0wner's manual!
Happy to hear!
What do you recommend to do with water filter while D scaling and how often should I replace water filter
Hi MP, Thanks for the questions. Remove the water filter when descaling! You would generally replace the water filter with a new one each time the machine is descaled.
Hi Marc,
I remember seeing a video that said that the Brera machine uses some sort of logic and usage patterns to determine when the machine needs a descaling. My question is what if I use just water without the descaling solution and complete an entire descaling cycle and clear the descale light Etc. Next question is what will the machine do? Under such circumstances, where you just mimic the descaling process using only water and no descaling solution. Will the machine notice/catch what we did and ask for another descaling process when it notices that the boiler still has built up scales. Thanks Marc for all your videos and thanks also to the other gentleman who does the demo while you do the shooting of the video. I forgot what his name is,
Hi RD, Thanks for the comments and question. The other gentleman is Todd.
You can clear the descale warning by going through the descaling procedure without using descaling solution. The machine will not know the difference. The descale alert is triggerd by the machine counting brew cycles. There's no actual sensing of internal scale deposit levels. Question is why would you not use descaler?
Marc
Hi Marc and Todd,
I was not going to dupe the machine but my plan to do a test run using no descaler and get some hands on experience before I do my first descaling. My machine is 3 months old and I am learning everything I need to by watching your videos and videos made by the manufacturer office in London. Like I said my very first test run will be a dummy one and when I do everything right the next one will be with the descaler solution. Also I wanted every one out there to know what exactly would happen if they fake or cringe on the process by using less descaler solution or not use at all. You answered the question by confirming that the machine has no fuzzy logic to determine when to descale other than keeping track of number of shots made Etc . How ever the manufacturer mentions it and you plus Todd mentioned it that the machine has a self learning feature that automatically adjusts the shots made based on some sort of fuzzy logic. I now stand corrected that the self learning feature is only restricted to the quality of coffee made and nothing else. I asked you this question on behalf of all subscribers to let them know that they need to follow the proper procedure as mentioned by your videos to keep their machines in top condition. Thanks for your instant reply, highly appreciate it.
I have a 2020 model Gaggia is on top
I watch this video every six months! Ty. Anyone noticing that the buttons are starting to get loose and spongey? My brew button feels like it's starting to go. My machine is only 2 years old. I wonder if the buttons can be replaced.
Hi V, You are welcome! I have not run into spongey buttons on the Brera. Should it become an issue it can be replaced/repaired.
@@Wholelattelovepage is this a service you offer? Is there a part you carry with an online how to I can use to attempt myself?
Why the hell don't they update their manuals for the newer machines (mine is from 2016) and are not even telling you on the helpline about it??
I am using brita filter with my gaggia brera coffee machine but the descaling icon appears every 2 months, just like before, there's no difference whatsoever. Could you please advise what I should do - descale it every 2 months despite using brita filter or not? Does the coffee machine actually sense scale level or it only counts the number of brewed coffees to establish time for descalling?
Hi M, Thanks for the question. So a couple things... The descale alert comes on based on the number of brew cycles. Regardless of the water being used the descale alert will always come on after a certain number of cups. Machines do not sense the scale. For the most part, Brita and similar filters only remove sediment through mechanical filtration and chlorine and other chemicals via carbon filtration. Scale is caused by minerals (mostly calcium) in water. Brita filters have little if any effect on minerals. I would definitely continue to descale the machine. If you use an in-tank filter designed for the machine you will get all the benefits of Brita type filtration plus water softening which replaces much of the calcium with salt (salt stays within healthy levels) to prevent scaling. It's still recommended to descale when using in-tank filter but you can descale less frequently. Here's the in-tank filter for the Brera: www.wholelattelove.com/mavea-intenza-water-filter-for-gaggia-and-saeco
Thank you for the response. I am using exactly the filter which is shown under the link you have provided- in-tank one, hence my question. The purpose of my question was to establish what that "less frequently" is. Without the filter it should be more frequent than every 2 months for me, but with the filter can I double or triple that time? BTW: my intenza+ filter looks exactly the same but on the box there's 'brita' not 'mavea' shown, the rest of the box looks exactly the same.
I use a reverse osmosis filter with 5 stages. It isn't going off of water hardness, but instead it goes off of liters dispensed. If you want to know how long it can really go then purchase a 10 dollar water impurity tester from amazon. It's a little digital meter. You dip it in water and it will tell you PPM of dissolved solids and purity. Compare your brita to tap water. If it's 4 times lower, you can go 4 times longer between descaling. However, a carbon filter will not remove dissolved minerals as it's a physical medium, and the minerals are in solution (nothing to filter, it's all liquid) . Reverse osmosis does remove minerals but it's requires installed systems due to size and complexity. About 300 on amazon and fits under the sink. Took an afternoon to install.
Subparanon I have the same problem I have use nothing but bottled water in my machine I failed to see the need to D scale it ever
Hello! I'm also having the same issue as a user below: model from 2015 and no matter how long I've held both buttons, the machine will not enter descale mode. The dial is on the dot. I've turned the machine on, off, unplugged, everything. Held for 3, 5, 10, 20 seconds and nothing! Please help!
Hi AC, I would call our tech support at 888-411-5282. They can verify your machine has the automatic descaling cycle and walk you through the process.
Why the HELL did Gaggia not put the right manuals into the newer models? Seriously bad quality control.
+Nicholas Burmeister Hi Nicholas, From your comment assuming you purchased a Brera and it had a manual for another machine? Very odd!!! Did you purchase the machine from Whole Latte Love? Here is a link to Gaggia manuals: www.gaggia-usa.com/machines/support-library/nav/14
+Whole Latte Love Nope, it came with the machine, in the box, which I can only assumed was packed by the company itself. It was the right instruction manual for the model, but as you mention, the system changed after 2013. They never bothered to change the manual itself. Its fine now, thanks to this video, but I had to go through the process twice, two hours of futzing about, to clear the descaling alert indicator on the machine, once manually 'old school', and once with the automated process you describe.
Nicholas Burmeister
Sorry you had the problem, but happy we could help you resolve.
+Whole Latte Love I had the exact same issue, machine purchased from Whole Latte Love. Went through the manual way of descaling. It wasn't until I couldn't clear the descaling symbol that I realized there must be a different way. As Nicholas said, this doesn't seem to be on you, but maybe you can contact your supplier to help fix this
+Harley Inbody Hi Harley, thanks for the comment and believe me, we have had some conversations with Gaggia about this!
que pasa si realizas el proceso mal? intenté hacerlo sin apagar la maquina antes y preparó varios cafés con este líquido descalcificante, despúes hice el proceso correctamente, puede afectar esto a mi café? cómo puedo arreglarlo
Pues yo no bebería el café hecho con el líquido descalcificante! No debe haber ningún problema. En el proceso de descalcificación normal, la solución descalcificadora pasa por los componentes de la máquina que preparan el café. La máquina simplemente se detiene más en ciertos puntos para dejar que el descalcificador haga su trabajo.
translated ?: What happens if you do the process wrong? I tried to do it without turning off the machine first and it prepared several coffees with this descaling liquid, then I did the process correctly, can this affect my coffee? How can i fix it
Well I would not drink the coffee made with the descaling liquid! There should be no problem. In the normal descaling process the descaling solution runs through the machine components which brew the coffee. Machine just pauses more at certain points to let the descaler do its thing.
My Brera has a 2015 date but the automatic descaling cycle won't start. How long do you need to hold the buttons?
Hi Ed, Hold the buttons until the triangle symbol flashes in the display as shown at 2:00 in the video.
Is there a video for descaling a 2010 machine?
Hi RD, We do not have a video for descaling Breras made prior to 2015. But happy to hear your still using yours a decade later! For machines of that age follow the descale instructions in the manual. If you do not have the manual here's a link: xwiki.wholelattelove.com/images/a/ad/BRERA_Machine_Manual.pdf
Descaling instructions in English begin on page 37
Marc
thanks for the instruction! The manual I got is an old one and they did not even print a corrected descaling procedure attached to the manual. What a poor company and poor service!!!
Hi SP, Sorry about the manual confusion - happy to hear we were able to provide the correct information.
It seems the descale light comes on every six months. I’m using only filtered water. So I ignore the light and descale less often than the machine suggests. Ok?
Hi Daniel, Thanks for the question. What type of filtering and how is you source water quality?
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I have a big under sink charcoal cartridge filter. I end up descaling once a year, I often wait several months after the descale light comes on to go through the process. I've had the machine for 5 years, no problems. I also clean and re-lube the brew unit regularly.
my grandma gave me her 2017 brera gaggia and ive descaled it but it seems like its stuck on rinse cycle. i refilled the water compartment like 10 times but its stuck on rinse. also, most of the water got released at the steam wand and only less than a cup at the dispensing spout. im not sure if im having a machine issue or if im doing something wrong with descaling. please help! i bought almost $40 of parts from @wholelattelove already and its still not working. i dont wanna keep dropping money if its not gonna be worth it :( any advice of help is much appreciated
Hi TC, Thanks for the question. To quickly resolve your issue please call our tech support pros at 585-924-7170. They'd be happy to help diagnose and resolve the issue.
Are the models on sale mid 2013 and newer, the links pictures have Gaggia above Brera ?
spectre696969 Good catch and good question. Thanks! We need to update the image. Units on sale now are all manufactured mid-2013 or later and have the automatic descaling feature.
Where is the video to descale the older model???
Hi Lynn, Thanks for the question. You can find descaling instructions for older Brera machines here: wiki.wholelattelove.com/images/a/ad/BRERA_Machine_Manual.pdf See page 37 for descaling instructions in English.
Marc
Hello guys, i did the manual descaling process (the one in the manual), my machine was made in 2017. At the end of the process i'm supposed to press the "Bean/Pre-ground" button (bottom right) for 6 seconds so the machine re-starts and the descaling warning dissapears, however my machine does nothing. I see no way to turn off the descaling warning. Have you ever had this problem?
I used Saeco's descaling solution. I hope you guys can give me a hint! Thank you!.
I guess if i can't find a way to turn the warning sign off manually, i can always do the whole automatic descaling with water only so the warning turns off.
Saeco's descaling solution is fine. Sounds like you may need to run the automatic descaling process to get the warning light off as you thought.
Thanks!
I'm back again after 5 months, does this mean I have had 500 cups of coffee since the last descale ? 😋
Welcome back! Something around that number!
Starts @ 1:59 btw
Thanks!
한국어 부탁해요. Korean direction plz
come mai non c'è su youtube un video in lingua italiana per questo modello "Gaggia Brera"?
Ecco il link al sito italiano di Gaggia Brera:
www.gaggia.it/macchine-automatiche/brera/
🎉😂❤
The paper instructions included with the Gaggia descaling solution are completely inconsistent with this video.
Throw away the paper instructions or you"ll waste a bottle of this expensive solution.
I’ve had my machine for over a year and I really do enjoy it but the D scaling process is for the birds I only use bottled water
Hi T, Do be careful. There are some types of bottled water which can cause scale. The opposite of scale is corrosion which can be caused by pure distilled or reverse osmosis water. Ultra pure water will over-extract coffee as well.
1 year is no time (we use filtered water). After one and a half years our machine needed sending back to be fixed. Solution is to descale/ deep clean regularly, as advised in this video.