You Bet Your Life #59-29 Groucho shares his views on marriage ('Name', Apr 7, 1960)
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- Опубликовано: 30 авг 2014
- Interesting discussion-- not too many big laughs, but very interesting-- about gender roles and marriage in the first segment. Groucho reveals his opinion that men are the true romantics, and women the true cynics. His attitudes from start to finish of this segment go a considerable way toward illuminating his unhappy marriages. Even the jokes he makes are quite revealing.
P.S.-- Not related to the above, but personally, I miss the duck.
COUPLE #1: Pat Winrurnan, housewife / Dr. Proctor Thomson, an economist who argues for women taking control of household finances
COUPLE #2: Penny Kelly, a teenaged high school student who likes boys (that's just about all we learn about her) / Jim Balboni, from Palo Alto, also a teenaged high school student. He likes girls. Who'd ever have guessed. Time runs out for this Algonquin Round Table-level discussion, so they're invited to come back the following week.
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Episode identification and basic description based on "Tell 'em Groucho Sent You", © 1997 by Mark Petty. Used by permission. 
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Amazing to think the greatest, wittiest, funniest gameshow ever made is over 60 years old. Groucho was a genius
and he was no spring chicken...humor is timeless
The innocence of that era is so endearing, especially the kids.
That lady was very forward thinking..brilliant.
And she was intelligent, she answered all the questions correctly
I really like Pat - seems authentic, intelligent and fun. She has a great laugh, too.
What I enjoyed from this is the voice of the hard working husband is heard... but hard working housewives should be heard also. I think there is a lot in respect and love for one another. I have found that recognizing, appreciating and saying “thank you for all you do” to my husband has gone a long way. His hard work helps us!
notice how articulate everyone is. they don’t acted like giggling fools and talk gutter english.
My mother was sporting Beehive hairdo's right up into the 1980's lol.
This discussion of marital sexual dynamics is absolutely amazing. _He_ says that when it comes to the money, the wife should be in control, as women are more practical and less sentimental. _She_ says this is an inappropriate abrogation of male responsibility, which ends up feminizing men, something which women - relying on the strength of the masculine - must resist. He then counters that matters of money are not existentially important at all in the broader picture - let the women deal with the money, because the money doesn't really matter! This is fascinating.
Pat Winrurnan, was ahead of her time in speaking about being a housewife was not the end all for happiness in life for a woman. That there needs to be more in life for a woman to have happiness. I think she was actually speaking for many women of the era, but most were too afraid to say so.
not easy to defend urself with 2 chauvinist at her side
If many women shared her view, she was not ahead of her time.
Jet Ace, you mean you're a husband aged 55? And your last sentence needs some work. "She should have written a book." Obviously you can't. LOL!
And now European and American women are giving birth to children at such a low amount that our countries birth rates are no longer sustainable.
Europe will be unrecognizable in our lifetime and the US not long after that. Feminism has done more to destroy western civilization than two world wars. Congratulations.
@@brunneng38 Yeah, but every woman that "smashes the patriarchy" is stunning and brave, so they have that going for them.
This is the USA I cherish greatly, and which, to my chagrin, I never lived to experience!
Well. I left America 20 years ago and never regretted it. I’m home here caught in the Covid-19 virus. But, I loved these shows and yes they actually articulated very well back then. Groucho had a lot of famous people and going to be famous on his show. Love his wit! Watching this episode my mother worked in the 50s to help us get by. So, this wasn’t always true the wife stayed home. My mother worked at the Piggy Wiggly market nearby.
Patsy has a lovely laugh!!
A bit like Joanna Cassidy's laugh, a true force of nature.
As always, thanks for posting! Interesting to see Groucho talk about marriage. He seemed to even get a bit upset. This could never air today. Groucho would be called a sexist, misogynist etc in today's world. The strange thing is though.. I recall he was debating a woman in one of the You Bet Your Life episodes you posted... who said a woman should never be president. Groucho firmly believed that a woman could be president, and he seemed almost upset that the woman didn't agree with him on that.. That was quite progressive to think that in the 1950's. Groucho was all over the map I suppose when it came to politics, marriage and life in general.
Btw.. the 10,000 won in 1960 is the equivalent to about 80,000 today. Not bad.
Groucho was a master of what he was doing by this point, and I think his main goal was to make the program entertaining rather than to get across a political message. The producers were very good at finding interesting guests who were very opinionated about their beliefs, and Groucho was very good at playing the devil's advocate in order to keep them talking. He seems a lot less misogynistic when talking to that H G Morton guy the previous season. I got the sense that he was partially goading pat on, and partially amused by the idea of reading a fishing newspaper being offensive. But the point he makes about the poetry of Shakespeare vs. Dorothy Parker sounds sincere.
charleshberman westy40 You both make excellent points. Thank you for the comments.
Wow! They really got into that conversation! Two definitely cannot live as cheaply as one, but two together can certainly live cheaper than two apart. "You certainly can!" That was priceless! And it's always fun to see the young people on this show. They just don't know how to respond to Groucho, and he takes that for all he can.
Are you sure its only x 8 the money? If it was UK pounds it would be about x 20 from 1960 to now.
But you have to take into account the tax rate in those days, which went into astronomical figures the higher your income. Worth looking into. I seem to remember it going as high as 90% or so for millionaires, which led some to incorporate themselves so that they could drop down to the maximum rate for corporations, which was something like 54%. Similar for residents of the UK. Many film stars got in big trouble with the tax people because of it. Any experts out there to set this matter straight (I'm just talking off the top of my head here)?
I just love this show. What the hell happened to modern television?
Whoopi, Ellen, Joy, Kathy, ugggghhhh.
Liberalism.
Conservatism.
@@wardka We have gone, in just about every respect, well to the left of center. Well, I shouldn't complain. It's working well in the Soviet Union.
@@timjohnson1199 Moron. The Soviet Union has been gone for a long time. You see folks, this is the intelligence level of the neo-fascists. In fact you don't even know that Russia is ruled by fascists, where a right-wing moron like you would be very comfortable.
The woman in the skit has a beautiful, natural laugh.
I think Groucho's views on marriage helps explain why Chico was the brother that got all the ladies.
Atsa some joke eh boss
I like Groucho's joke when he asked the doctor if he's a doctor from MD or from IL. The doctor missed the joke.
The doctor was a dimwit
@@mehboobkm2018 You used bad grammar in your comment. You should have said "The doctor was a dimwit."
@@lynettepalecek3141Thank you for bringing that up. I know when to use 'a' and 'an', that was a typo and it doesn't change the fact that doc was a dimwit.
@@lynettepalecek3141 and talking about the grammar, in your original thread, it should have been 'if he was', not 'he is'.
@@mehboobkm2018 You're welcome. I understand about typos. Touche! You're right. I should have said "he was" instead of "he is."
That woman seemed to have struck a nerve with Groucho. Those were different times, but that’s not to say every married couple thought the same way as Groucho and the male contestant. My mom and dad raised 10 of us as a team. My dad had a paid job, but more than did his part when he came home. The woman was trying to convey how much work goes into raising children when you are with that child 24/7. My mom worked equally hard being home raising us, so my dad could focus on working outside of the home. They fully respected each other’s role as husband/wife and mother/father. My dad never had the attitude that his contribution to raising a family was more important than my mother’s. After my youngest brother was born, child #10, my mom went back to school and graduated from a four year university magma cum laude (highest honors) She also worked as a teacher’s aid while going to school. She would come home and retreat upstairs to do her homework and my dad would cook dinner, wash the dishes and do laundry. Of course we pitched in, but it was my dad who took on the role and duties my mom carried out when she was home full time. To this day, I have adhered to the example my parents set for me and have always looked at my wife as my equal, my partner. She too stayed home so I could focus on working outside the home. It was a decision we BOTH came to when we were younger in our marriage. I recently retired and I always tell her this is OUR pension. And I always thank her for supporting me when I too went back to school and eventually worked in a career related to my degree. She is my rock.
Wonderful! Love your story! ♥️
When was that though? 10 years after this episode perhaps?
Bull we women didn't stop working so you could work ....when we stop working.. YOU HAVE TO WORK. Women really tricked me into thinking this is work, and some of you stupidly still do. Lucky when it's a mutual decision
I don’t think anyone has won as much as this couple, even in the first round!
“Doctor proctor went to Gloucester in a puddle of rain, He fell in a puddle up to his middle and never went back again” GROUCHO IS THE BEST!
I'll take ten little laughs for a big laugh anyday.
The first time I see Groucho standing up for his beliefs like that.
Also, the last joke about the newspaper seemed one too many. It is not often that Groucho stresses the same (by Groucho's standards) average joke so much.
Thanks a bunch!
I'm a bit young for this program but I love it because it's live, refreshing, funny and just plain wonderful. Thank you for uploading, I have subscribed.
how times have changed ....!
It's refreshing to see there was a time when young people knew a boy was a boy and a girl was a girl and didn't think they were interchangeable!
I like Pat - a progressive woman who is rooted with conservative values
Penny is wearing a "Heart" necklace much like Arlene's on WML.....
Arlene's original heart necklace was stolen. After a show and standing out front a man walked up to her, grabbed the heart and ran off with it!
One smart woman
I think that the doctor was a robot. You could see his spring wind down toward the end.
i like her! one of the few who could out talk him too
A sincere and superb individual who could not quite settle into routines and wanted more from life than was conventionally available. He had faults like everyone else, but I do not think his shows can be faulted, unlike the performances we are familiar with from so many. Groucho would have wanted us all to enjoy his professional legacy, and more people will than ever because there are many generations to come.
WOW was that first female guest, (The 'Housewife'), ever right about so many things! But in particular how certain elements in American society have been emasculating men for decades in America! But, we men have allowed that to happen out of respect for women, so we have no-one to blame but ourselves... Oh well, Women are still awesome though!
Amen. Darkness enters the world through women, but it's encouraged by men. Genesis is brilliantly correct about so many things.
I think $1200 is the most won in the first round.
First time I've ever seen it too.
American girls surely used to look pretty and very grown up back then 👍
People were so polite back then. I watch some of the game shows of today and when some contestants win something their response is; "I'll take it". No thank you. . . nothing.
Sick.
I think Groucho was getting a bit testy on this one but i do recall, as well, the episode where the woman said "no woman president" and he didn't like it.
Great stuff and a very interesting look at times gone by.
1tigerbee he married and divorced 3-4x, i dont think he ever had a ling happy marraige. Poor groucho he was a nice guy he deserved a good wife...that loved him thru good and bad.
Thx for the show, the second segment was very funny and the first a bit different to the usual show but still very watchable
Enjoyed it, thanks!
This show, more than any other, is a window into the American culture of the times. Listen to Patsy. She is brilliant. Groucho synical too a fault. He was always miserable, yet brilliant.
Verrrrrrrrrry interesting approach on a touchy subject.
good lord how far america has fallen
And five years after you wrote this it’s EVEN WORSE
@cowboy up So true!🤬👍
@@brunneng38 He never knew we'd have a plague like pandemic back then five years later. Wow my wife was still alive smh
First and only time I’ve ever seen anyone win the $10k
R.I.P. Fenneman.
$10,000 was what my Grandfather paid for a House in LA in those days.
This is the best show I’ve seen since I last saw You Bet Your Life! Amazing!
School kids in those days matured early and looked 10 years older than they were.
And no tattoos, either.
22m25s Dr. Proctor Thomson's level of excitement at winning $5k is consistent with his previously stated priority for $$$s.
Number one problem of marriages is the broken garbage disposal. Plumbers want a small fortune to repair those things. And the cost of beehive maintenance.
That horn intro for the unicycle lady was worth the price of admission. Like Churchill Downs with out the betting racket.
I like that woman! 😀
the Bee Hive woman is pretty damn on for the 1950 about the money view
"Happiness isn't everything, it won't buy money".
Guy looks like lee van cleef.
Groucho’s views on marriage reflected the thinking of that time. I don’t think it had much bearing on his failed marriages. Those were the result of other issues.
I believe Penny Kelly also appeared in another episode of YBYL alongside Frankie Avalon when he was a special guest on the show. Seems she was well connected to appear twice. Nice young lady.
That was not Penny Kelly.
@@marymarysmarket3508 Frankie Avalon's partner was Joyce DeHart, the outstanding Junior Achievement member for 1961.
What a pretty young lady, however, and there's just something correct and very attractive about a young lady or women in a dress. Why? Because a women's best asset is a man's imagination. Most females would do themselves better by covering it up rather than flaunting it.
Their is very few wifes that bring in as much as they cost lol.
Muppetonmeds, I don't know if you are still with us, but your spelling needs to be upgraded. The beginning of your sentence should be : "There are very few wives..."
62 years later we can see how happy all these women are who went out to work to express themselves. Employers just loved it.
"Money is supremely unimportant." Something so dumb only an economist could say it.
The guy was a WACKO!!😵💫
It has its place in our evil capitalism-dominated society alas. But as Greta Thunberg astutely noted at the UN in NYC in September 2019 our climate is going over the cliff while the big shots and their owned pols obsess about "fantasies of eternal economic growth.:
This is probably the most won in YBYL
We went to the same high school cept she is 4 yrs older than me.
Were you one of the seven boyfriends, or seven dwarfs. Did you have to wait till it was your turn.
Also one of Groucho's rare laughs at 14:21 !
Yes! Great catch. I missed it because you can't hear him over the music. He never laughed when the duck came down. :)
The first couple really showed the sexism of the day!
Glad to see two contestants win the US $10,000 with question about new Brazil capital--Brasilia! Geography is one of my wheelhouses and I knew all but last of four profession questions.
Groucho did in fact go broke during the stock market crash of ‘29.
I.I.N.M., he raised a ruckus during a public appearance on Wall Street in the early '50's (probably in connection with promo'ing "YBYL") when he brought up his 1929 stock market losses.
Groucho was getting mad, but this is a guy who went after and married 20 year old girls.
100 down, 20 to go thanks a million...
The 16 year olds dressed like their parents!
I wonder if after episode, he was her No.8!
A moderately-priced new house in those days cost about $30,000, like a $180,000 house today.
Not in the late 50’s, a moderately priced home was in the 20’s
@@EL-of7gy
We bought our first home in 1968 it was $30,000, a tiny home, one bath.
@@EL-of7gy My Dad paid less than that for our home in 1950
My father designed our house in 1966 and it was built in Florida for US $16,000--not sure if that includes the corner lot land.
Big money, $10,000 was worth more than $85,000 in 1960
Would love to think the Penny and Jim got together and had lots of kids, grandkids, and great grandkids.
$1200 in 1960 - that's over $10K in 2021.
Keep talking Pat until you say the secret word.
wow 2 teenagers that don’t exist today
A very interesting episode, sociologically speaking ('I gotta speak sociology cause my English aint too good'): when the beehive haircut was new enough to need explaining, Groucho mentioning how he was wiped out in the 1929 wall street crash (which is true, and an event very much of relevance today what with us still nor recovered from the latest banking crisis, and looking like we never will unless a we come up with a NEW 'new deal' ). After the good talk about gender roles in which Groucho really does seem a bit upset, listen carefully, as Groucho jokes to the guy that he should hit the women backstage, and the guy even raises his fists (also in a joke, but it would get any host fired nowadays)...Note that one of the things the woman says is that recently men were having a crisis of masculinity. she said this in spring 1960! So much for the conservative ideal of the 1950s and early 60s being an uncomplicated era.
Everything was much simpler, although I was a kid in middle class America, dad earned it and mom budgeted it. WE had a new home, vacations, holidays, a dog, nice school clothes and when mom wanted to she got a job also and bought herself a new car.
How very well attuned you are to the catastrophic situation developing with the US economy. The US national debt is now 128% of GDP and growing much faster than the economy, and the pandemic-induced recession will make it much harder for the USA to get out of this situation. The new 'new deal' you mention would consist of raising taxes on the rich and increasing the earned-income tax credit, thus shifting the distribution of the national income away from the rich and in favor of ordinary people and the working poor. This is how Bill Clinton turned the US economy around from recession, high unemployment and huge deficits to a booming economy and record surpluses. It could easily happen again, but only if the voters make it politically possible by booting out the useless arses of those representatives and senators who seem to think their job is to protect the rich from having to pay their fair share of taxes. They didn't, in the 2020 election.
Pat Winrurnan looks a bit like Lana Gay, Canadian pop-radio host (CBC Radio 3, &c.)
Wow... thank God we have learnt to respect women and their aspirations a little more since the 60s !
I do agree however with Groucho that whether you are a housewife or househusband, you shouldn't pounce with problems on the spouse who works out of the home as soon as they get back.
AMEN! But as far as the work load distribution is concerned, the old maxim still applys, " A man may work from sun to sun, but a women's work is never done."
Jim Balboni was 16 and looks 40.
I love Pat and hate the pompous doctor. That being said, Americans who think misogyny is everywhere today need to watch this video
At least back then people were allowed to have their own opinions...popular or not.
@@marymarysmarket3508
Isn't that the truth about now days, Mary...except if you're a liberal. Then all opinions and lifestyles are acceptable as opposed to being unacceptable to some.
See: The Equality Act Biden is forcing on America...strictly liberal. Is that equality, NO.
It’s still everywhere just not so blatantly spoken.
@@sylviaplath8263 Misogyny today is not even close to what is was in the 50's
Groucho was right for the time.
It is interesting to know that six thousand dollars in todays money would be sixty thousand dollars. Those contestants won a lot. They are all dead.lol
This doctor is nuts! He may have a PhD, but he has no clue what he’s talking about.
A very classy looking 16-year-old girl.
At 13:10 Groucho said to the man as they were departing, "and bop her" ... which when I was a kid meant to punch or smack. No bopping women today Groucho
damn
THAT WAS VERY WRONG OF HIM TO SAY, I CAN PICTURE HIM BEING HURTFUL.
Marilyn Willett
I can't picture Groucho being hurtful. This was a joke, not a great one, but he wasn't serious.
@@marilynwillett804 she needs a spanking. Mouthy, Groucho coudn't stand her. "Let him read the dang paper" Didn't you hear??????
@@NoOne-kr4jc wait until Sharia Law gets here.
I have had a Wife, and a Yacht, the Yacht was cheaper to maintain, and didn't take half of my assets when I sold it.
$5000 almost doubled his yearly salary ?…Yikes !
I think the first couple won some humongous amount of money on top of the $10,000 they got for correctly answering the name of the new capital of Brazil. I'm pretty sure that this is the most money *anybody* ever won on this show!
You spelled "sure" wrong and left out the word "most." check your spelling and punctuation BEFORE you hit the reply button.
@@parsonscarlson7984 I probably wrote this on some night when I was suffering from insomnia and was not paying sufficient attention to my spelling or my diction. I apologize for the errors. Therefore, let me correct them: "I'm pretty *sure* that this was the *most* money anybody ever won on this show!" -- Finis --
Man, I'm surprised about the quick response. I accept your apology and actually find most of your comments interesting and informative, but I am also surprised at the tremendous amount of stupid, senseless, illogical, to say nothing of those containing miss-spellings, lack of capitalization, improper grammar, and punctuation that seems to characterize a great percentage of video comments. This only reveals how much things have changed and how far America has moved in the wrong direction. Thanks again, God bless, and maybe we'll meet some day and talk about these things.
Boys are different than girls? Don’t tell the liberals that!
This woman is really attractive
Patsy is the precursor to today's strong independent single women.....who complains about "where are the good men?".
Nothing wrong with a women who wants a full time career ....but like everything.......you can't have EVERYTHING.
Patsy would have been right at home in todays feminism empowered world....with a glass of wine in 1 hand and an antidepressant tablet in the other.
...and a couple cats, charged with fulfilling the roles that a husband and children should occupy.
Groucho was a philanderer, but I love his humor.
15:50 "we'll they are different from girls' Penny NOT anymore!!!!!!!! Penny b.1944 would be 78 if still alive.
Poor Pat!
She did win a hell of lot of money though!
Holy Cow, seems like Grocho was having a bad night. There was very little humor involved with his argument. Whatever the time period, he should've been nicer to the guest!
@15:10, 16 yrs.... what in the hell,😲
Seriously??
Jay Leno is redoing this show in September, let's see if he pays respect to the late great Groucho or makes it boring like Fallon
I could never put up with leeches. Ugh
I bet the woman with the beehive hairdo'''''''''''''''''s marriage came to a end with a divorce
the lady is 20 years ahead of her time,women have come along way since these sexist days.
Groucho under stands woman, the american housewife more than you would expect. And was one of the true Democrat of yesterday, not this crap socialized democrat of today.
He understood so well that he got divorced three times.
5m51s Dr. Proctor Thomson "Money is supremely unimportant" why is he on this show then?
I know this show was all scripted but by golly these people acted and talked so natural.
not scripted.
@@davisworth5114
Thanks for saying it!!
It MOST certainly was NOT!
That one woman blew enough air to sail around Cape Horn.
The PC BS today doesn`t float w/this 60 yr old show. 60 yrs frm now it won`t matter even more.