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Sewing a sail with a Singer Heavy duty sewing machine. Part 2 | Paragon’s Favourite Stuff Ep. 13
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- Опубликовано: 22 апр 2022
- I figured out how to sew the tear in the leech of our W42 main sail by using an inexpensive Singer sewing machine. Definitely not as good as a Sailrite machine, but maybe good enough?
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It's crazy how we are not taught how to sew anymore. I built our house thinking my wife would make the curtains...yeah right, I made them.
Married an American lady expecting her to know how to sew, did you? 😂 Wait 'til she takes you to the cleaners and shows you her excellent housekeeping skills (ie, keeps YOUR house) 😢
Looks like you need an edge guide to keep you sewing parallel to the edge. It works like a fence for a table saw so you sew straight lines.
i actually just got one myself today after getting my machine :) btw your description is perfect!
That, and the walking foot would aid greatly in pulling the work through in a straight line. That machine just doesn't have enough pulling power without the walking foot. Your mom tried to help but was wrong this time. You can't skate with dull skates unless someone pulls you, and that's what the walking foot does.
This two-parter has been very interesting to me. I want, and feel like I need, to learn to sew to be as self-sufficient as reasonably possible on my own boat. Thanks!
I think being able to sew with your own sewing machine is great, but I also think that knowing how to sew by hand is a great apocalypse skill, which makes it pretty bad ass in my book. :)
- Drake
I bought my boat in oriental NC and sailed it back to FL. Nice to see ya still out there on your boat making your way around the world.
This makes me so happy knowing my sewing machine can do this! I'll definitely be coming back to this video in the future for reference.
Like a lot of projects…the last step is usually perfect. Fun watching. I used my household machine to create a sail pack. It took some work to get the tension and stitches working the way I wanted but it worked. Looks like your sail is going to hold for as long as u have the sail.
As a 70 year old sailing newbie, I love your how to vids.
Thanks John! Happy sailing! :)
You did well given the type of sewing machine you were using. Sail makers use sewing machines that have a roller or puller that pulls the sail cloth through straight. There is also a smaller puller just behind the needle which is synchronized with the larger puller. By having two pullers it increases the pivot point area therefore making it much easier to sew a straight line. Also sail makers sewing machines sew seams at a very fast rate which makes sewing lines straight easier. Your sew lines got straighter with experience. After sewing for a long time, you will find your mind wandering or thinking about the next step. You were one of the first sailing You Tubers, great job.
Great job, my wife knows how to sew and we just bought a used Sailrite LSZ-1. I look forward to learning to sew myself,this was very helpful,
thanks
Singer + skill + practice + help = success. Congrats.
someone's been having fun in editing.
Been attempting to sew a seat cover for one of my motorcycle seats. a machine not made for large thick fabrics/vinyl/leather, might well punch through, but the tight confines can make it really hard to stay straight.
Great video. Drake is great at explaining things to us through camera, maybe some teaching history? Looking forward to more sailing stuff :)
I always learn so much on this channel. And glad I have the same machine!
I have always enjoyed your vids and your take on sailing - thank you 😊
Nice one thanks Drake and
Mo. Looking for a sewing machine myself and this was enlightening.
I knew you could do it...or at least I thought you had a 95% chance. It worked on our Catalina 30 sail for an almost identical repair. I did see you picked up the Schmetz leather needles like I suggested. They really make all the difference for the heavy stuff. Though I know you have to go with your mother's suggestion with the foot, most sail repair shops all seem to run a complex walking foot. That is also what we used and it held everything down for a second and sewing it, then letting the material move. You could certainly do a lot better by yourself if you were sitting at a sewing table for this task, instead of kneeling over the unit. Good show regardless.Though my wife and I also tag teamed our repair too; just to keep the sail manageable.
Respect for your can do, will do, have done attitude! Happy sailing.
Really enjoyed this methodical follow up and I would consider that a successful outcome. As with so much in life, assessing how far up the quality (and expense) ladder you need to go for your purposes can take consideration and wisdom but I think you've chosen well and have a great bang for your buck machine that does what you need of it.
Thanks for the great tutorial. The singer sewing machine can do it, but it sounds like it’s at its limit. Enjoy your videos.
Before going out and spending a fortune on a Sailrite machine look for any 80's sewing machine like a Jean Machine etc. These units have steel gearing and have larger motors to push through thicker material. Since nobody sews anymore these machines go for $50 or less and I have had years of boat use with them. A lot of them have motors that can be swapped out for 12 volt motors however we just use an inverter. The build quality of 1970 and 1980 sewing machines is also better and with proper timing and lubrication will last for years and not take money away from the cruising cash. A magnetic guide from sailrite will help to keep things a little straighter and thread lubrication will help with lots pf materials as well. Basking tape makes sewing fabrics a lot easier and sometimes better then pins.
Great video
Thank you. I think you might find this video interesting. In it, Davie in Shetland shows us all of his wonderful old sewing machines. Some very capable, and classy machines. They don’t make them like they used to! 😊This Sailor Saves Sewing Machines - Sew Far North
ruclips.net/video/EtRE3Ysu4_A/видео.html
I've also seen various material edge guides of various designs. Some attach to the presser foot and some attach to the deck
Good job Drake.
There are also special needles available for stitching thick and multi layors. These have a sharp triangle shape tip. They dont puncture trough but cut the fabric.
Such leather point needles are not recommended to be used on woven fabrics, because in cuts the threads in fabric and makes decreases its strengt. You use such needles for leather, because you can get too high friction between needle and leather if you don't.
Nice one Drake, I have a heavy duty industrial Singer in my workshop and it’s not easy even then despite the large motor. I also have a Husqvana which I like as it has a low gear so you get lots of power at a slower speed. I think that’s why some machines are difficult to use as you need the speed to get through tough fabric and it is hard to control. The Husqvarna is easier to control. In fact when I bought it second hand for £30 I also joined those groups and chatted with Davie a lot, he has been a mine of help and information. Look forward to seeing you meet with him, that will be a great video I’m sure. Best of luck, Andy UK
Thanks for following up on part one episode. The heavy-duty seems to be a valuable piece of equipment on the boat. Cheers.
I watched your first video then I bought a sailrite. For what you are sewing both machines can do the job. The advantage on my sailrite is I could go slower. As a beginner learning how to sew has it's up's and down's but doing it makes us better at it. I enjoy your video.
I've seen the lady in the Sailrite videos use Super 77 adhesive spray instead of tape. When I sew I start off a bit slower and pick up speed as I get better control and it seems to help me get straighter stitches. Was a tip from a quilter friend. I haven't tried sails yet though, so it could be harder to go slower. Thank you for the video! You've inspired me to go ahead and tackle a project I've been avoiding and see what happens!
Thank you! I wish our Singer Heavy Duty sewing machine could sew slower. It's really fast, but it's can be challenging to get it to sew slowly, especially at the beginning of stitch. I even took the pedal apart and to adjust the speed to get it to go slower, but I think it's still too fast. Good luck with your next project! :)
- Drake
@@drakeParagon I wondered if it was the pedal. You got really good there at the end! Thanks again, love your channel!
@@drakeParagon Turn it down. There is an adjustment screw for the sewing speed. If you have a manuel please consult it.
They make a magnetic bar that will prevent the sail from wandering. It holds to the metal base...works great.
Success!!! The Sailrite or the barracuda are great I have an LZ1 but the new LZ1 have the super motor on them make sure you get it!! Also the monster wheel is amazing to see by hand or to go through 10 or so layers
Stoked to have come across this. We have the same Singer, and I'm just getting set to redo the UV strip on my genoa. Hopefully your tips serve me well!
Found these videos while researching the 4411 for sewing camping gear. My suggestion is to test sew more samples to refine settings, stabilize your machine so it doesn’t move, keep the sail from binding and bunching on itself and surrounding, and slow down, let the machine do its thing, don’t fight the machine and sail. Thanks for posting these. I’ll learn from your experiences
See I'm old and you refreshed a memory of about 40 years ago when I was young . My nextdoor neighbor was a retired singer sewing machine mechanic my garage was full of car stuff his was full of old restored singer sewing machines from the first model industrial to the 1960s or 70s it was like a museum.. he said that a good singer tuned properly could sew leather and I have seen on RUclips asian feather jacket makers using old home model machines sewing leather jackets. The gearing is strong enough in the old machines . I bet the more modern machines would have issues with nylon gears stripping etc. So I'm thinking get your machine to a old sewing machine mechanic have him tune it and advise you on durability for your needs $1-200 to know and have toys running like a super stock sewing machine will save a lot over a new sailright machine.
I have always thought the distance between the needle and base where the motor is was the important thing but sailright machines appear to be the same as yours or close enough anyway happy sails.
My boat came with a Sail Rite. I’m looking forward to seeing what it can do.
I bought a sailrite. Great machine to get any job done on the boat. Made a dodger and repaired sails.
I’m really looking forward to checking out the Sailrite machine when we get to Shetland in a few weeks. 😁
Actually, a proper walking foot machine allows more pressure to be placed on the material and clamps it in place while push/pulling it thru in unison
I bought a Singer Heavy duty to try to fix my sprayhood that was falling apart. I had the same problem as you had. It worked just fine when sawing common fabric but I couldn't fix the sprayhood at all. I gave up. Now I know what I can do to remedy the problem :)
It really is a practice thing. As you seem to have gathered for the later runs, controlling the speed is crucial. Don't go faster than you can control. And having someone helping when the item is bulky, like a sail, is a good thing. Am I an expert? No way!!! lol
Drake is just a spaz ! CHEERS !
The machine the machine 👹
I think you did a good job there considering it was your first attempt. I actually worked as a sailmaker for a few years in my youth (which was a VERY long time ago). and I'd say the Singer performed quite well. A walking foot is not a necessity for making or repairing sails in my experience although it is nice to have. I've made and repaired many, many sails using the standard metal presser foot.
I just bought the same walking foot for my machine. I'm not ready to start making or repairing sails, but was hoping to use the machine for stuff like interior cushions on the boat.
Another very watchable and useful video. Thanks. Could you give a demonstration of the walking presser foot on sail material? What thread tension setting did you use? I have used a sewing machine needle for leather hoping it will be useful for thicker materials. My thoughts on your machine are if it works keep using it and it gives you a range of stitches for other jobs.
Gotta dive into the solar panel setup and how you networked the boat for in port and at sea! :-)
Thanks! I'd love to make a video about our solar and wind power.
seems the main issue is the mass and weight of the sail on the left tends to make the cloth go in a curve or circular path instead of straight. Maybe a portable bag sewing machine could help.
One of your best "practical" videos - good on you. Thanks.
Interesting -- I wish you demonstrated the walking foot and increased the stich count and made the zig zag bigger. That would be ideal. For what it is worth, we now understand that Zig Zag stiches are not actually stronger than straight stitches and not better. This has been proven and awards given to the athor of a definative study on the topic. It was originally used in sailmaking when they used cotton sails and thought that the "stretch" in the sail required this. But modern sails don't stretch in any meaningful way and if they do "bag out" it is due to deterioration in the dacron materials. Buy an older excellent condition Juki 563 with a servo motor and slowely stitch straight stiches and double the rows. Any failure later on will be fabric related. The stitch will hold.
Too bad you didn't sail a bit farther south to Glasgow and took time to visit Kelvin Grove/ Glasgow art gallery and museum as well as other parts of Glasgow. Thanks for the video.
This is awesome! Thanks for this video! I’ve been trying to figure out whether or not this machine could get me started with making cushion covers and sail covers for my 28’ sailboat. Have any opinions on this since making this video?
I think you could make canvas cushion and sail covers with the Singer machine, as long as you’re not going to be sewing through too many layers at a time. For sure, the Sailrite sewing machine would be better though. We’ve got a video on the Sailrite machine too if you haven’t seen it.
I bet your mother really liked that old lady voice you gave her. 😳😳
😂
I use the Singer Heavy duty on marine grade vinyl with leather needles and I can go through 4 layers. Crazy but true. Sewing vinyl takes practice and lots of concentration and taking your time. I was thinking about a Sailor machine but may singer keeps doing a pretty good job. 209 dollars for the singer goes a long way when the sailor are 1200 dollars. I will try the Teflon foot.
Hi, what was the thread that you used on the sail that stitched better?
How has your repair held up? Have you purchased another machine to replace the singer? Thank you
I watched the video with the teflon presser foot and seeing the sail material moving around and producing a less desirable stitch pattern.
No disrespect to your mom but I have you tried the walking foot on same Singer 4411?
Results?
Hi. I liked your video. Will you please tell me what kind of thread was better for your sewing?
Thanks!
Here are the threads I used.
- www.ebay.com/itm/223916011083
- www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B06Y5YJFG6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
They both seem to be about the same.
did you turn up your pressure foot pressure to maximum? I still hate this machine haha. if you want a cheaper option than the sailrite the mk 1 sailrite was a re badged brother. if you can find the brother version second hand it could be much cheaper
Yes, I did. Davie from Sew Far North recommended that I turn up the pressure foot pressure. I think it may have helped.
Thank you for showing this. I was not aware, that this modern Singer is able to sew V92 (Tex 90) thread. However when I see stitch quality is not in order. It is not balanced and got loops below. So you need to use higher needle thread tension, and it may not be possible. The other problem I see is that you sew way too fast in order to control what is going on. And I think it is because this machine do not have ability to sew slow, controlled and heavy duty at the same time. So you need to go fast in order to sew at all. Perhaps some test sewing (not in final product) and playing with thread types, needles and thread tension could make things work better, but I doubt. I think this is over the limit for this sewing machine.
If you look at vintage household sewing machines, some of the Husqvarna Viking machines can do this, because they got a low gear. Cheap alternatives is to make some modifications to sewing machines like a Singer 237 or a Pfaff 130.
Thanks! Yes, we were really pushing the Singer Heavy duty to its limits on this. The canvas patch material was the thickest and toughest available, and the machine could barely work with it at all. I have since used the machine to sew patches on our other sail, which is made of lighter material, and it worked perfectly. Please check out our latest video, an interview with Davie Meddes in Shetland. He repairs all sewing machines, especially vintage ones, and gives us a wonderful tour of the many different machines in his workshop. :) ruclips.net/video/EtRE3Ysu4_A/видео.html
@@drakeParagon I did actually saw this video first via link from the UK vintage sewing machine FB group, and then I found your channel and Davie, Sew Far North. I live in Denmark and make a few videos about vintage sewing machines and a few modifications, that can make them sew heavier fabrics. But it is only some of them that are capable, when you go to V92 or V138 thread.
Thanks for checking out our channel. :) We are sailing in Limfjord now. Such a sailing paradise! :) I love using our Singer Heavy duty for lighter material projects. But for heavy sails and canvas sewing, I think I'm just going to have to buy the more expensive Sailrite machine. ruclips.net/video/Dw_GvuOk3O8/видео.html
I would have sewed slower because of the sailcloth, and used a much wider zigzag, using a seam guide. But, overall, the machine handled it ok, but it could have looked a lot better and wouldn’t have to stop to fix the thread. As far as guiding the fabric through, it is a lot better for the size of the patch to have another person guide it from behind like you did. The reason you have to do this is because your machine is not inset in a table, it’s on a table, so naturally the fabric, any fabric, especially slippery fabric will slide off the back of the machine not helping the process of the machine feeding.
Plus he's doing on deck 😂
so...TLDR....listen to your mother :)
Hi Drake and Monique! Where are you now? We really enjoy all your videos. We are ready to sell our Westsail 43 yawl. It is in good condition, just need little TLC. If you run into someone who might be interested then guide them to us. We have not listed it yet.
Also the speed and your right but it cost a lot more
I don’t know why you don’t have more views and subs.....you been putting out quality videos for years. Maybe something to do with algorithms.....maybe put “Sailing Drake Paragon”
thanks for the suggestion. :)
@@drakeParagon hope you guys are well. I really enjoyed you guys exploring the Faroe Islands 🇫🇴, it is beautiful there
I watched this video and others in preparation for repairing the Luff of my Super Cat 19 main sail. It's about 30 feet tall. In the past I've struggled with sew lines that are not straight like Drake. I wanted straight lines on this repair so when I set up to do my repair I clamped the machine to the table so that it was very stable, and my lines were very close to as good as the lines that came with the sail. I put a 6 minute video about it on youtube under my name in case anyone is interested:-)
get a magnet to put on the platform to align the edge of the material, and then just go a bit slower
I tried to do a reenforcement patch for a second set of reef points. My machine, a singer from the sixties, died. I’ll try a new singer heavy duty.
Did you try the walking foot?
Yes, but in this case I think the teflon foot did a better job.
@@drakeParagon Thanks for the reply. Been watching for YEARS. I like how authentic you are. You and "yacht teleport" (now sold) - are the last few honest, none bikini-clad, clickbait-free RUclipsrs. Thank you.
a speed controller to slow it down. i think there are a couple of hacks out there.
I think your biggest issue is the foot pedal controller, see if you can set something under the pedal to limit your speed? Or maybe tap a hole in the bottom and feed a bolt up to work as a limit?
Right at the end you managed to go nice and slow, didn't that make you feel like you had more control? Anyway! I hope this helpS!
I hadn't thought of using a bolt to limit how far you can press the pedal down. I did open up the pedal and turn the screw that slows it down, but I think it's still too fast.
Definitely. It's just that getting it to go slow is really difficult, especially at the beginning of the stitch, and especially with going through more layers at a time.
@@drakeParagon you had the same thoughts as me then, I actually use the pedal under my heel, I find it more controllable when at a table or like you are on deck trying not to take the sail down!
I bought a few different sew machines Pfaff industrial is the best by far Are available second hand, might be too big 4 u
mate what you need is to secure that machine down. it sounds and looks like it could be falling apart any second. im surprised it didnt fell onto the deck
Ya, you're right. The machine is so light, and I just had it sitting on top of some books. We had problems with the sail sliding around, but also the machine itself was sliding too. Next time I might try to figure out how to clamp the machine down in place.
A blind man would be pleased to see it... As my old man used to say..
I'm on Brimil's other crew. I'm sorry for what happened.
You just needed "Mo" practice!
Ha! I approve of this message. *·゜ﾟ·*:.。..。.:*·'ヽ(^▽^)ノ'·*:.。. .。.:*·゜ﾟ·* -Monique
Hi, I think that you are holding the work going through the sewing machine too far from the needle. You will have way better controle if you hold your work just in front of the presser foot and let the work move through your hands. Also, did I see loops in the stitching at the back of the work? If so, then you need to tighten your tension for your top thread. You also could try to increase the pressure of your presser foot to hold the work a little tighter, most machines allow you to do this. it may or may not improve things, testing on scraps of fabric is always recommended. Cheers.
A guide attached to the sewing machine, it guide the stitches become straight.
Little late, but your thread tension looks off. you defiantly need a guide for a straight line
Buy a Sailrite LSZ-1 if you want to sew canvas. It wouldn’t be so good for lighter fabric. It wouldn’t be good for making a sail unless it was for a dinghy.
:)
If you go slower you will have less problems, with binding, skipping, wandering etc. Just go as fast as required for the Power needed. Sewing machines are fast because experienced sewers can run them fast/efficient and straight.
I wish I could sew slower, but it seems that it's just really hard to sew slowly with the Singer Heavy duty, especially when you start the stitch. I even took the pedal apart trying to adjust the minimum speed, but I still couldn't get it to go slower. I think maybe when you're sewing through heavier material, then it requires a heavier press on the pedal to get the needle to go through the material, and then it's too fast. I think it's much easier to sew slower through lighter fabrics with this machine.
@@drakeParagon I suspected as much. 1st thought was change the gearing or motor but idk if that is possible on that machine. Using an assistant to feed seems to be somewhat working for you so it'll probably come together....practice practice practice. I started sewing very young, and braduated to a sewing machine by the time I was 10. Even for me, it takes a bunch of practice runs if I haven’t sewn for awhile. Also you are doing zigzag which shows problems much more clearly than straight. Good sailing channel. Cheers.
My helper is called a Sailrite and I would never use anything else.
Wait….what??? A sailrite was $750 only a year ago?? They’re about $1200 right now 😢😢
Looks to me like you just need to practice, practice, practice.
MINE DOES THE JOB,, BETTER JOB IF GETTING THE SAIL OFF , ON A TABLE,,, BETTER VALUE THAN SAILRITE, FOR BIGGER JOB ,,,, SAILMAKER,,,
Take your time and sew s-l-o-w-e-r... There's no need to go 100 mph, that's how you make mistakes, and go off course and even break needles. You don't want a needle breaking off and hitting you in the face. Needles can even get bent up under the throat plate and get stuck. Lemme tell you, it's a super big pain in the ass to try to get a bent or broken needle out of the throat plate or under it. It's OK to sew slowly. Don't be a lead foot. When you sew slower, you have more time to control where the fabric is going and you have more time to correct it's direction when it starts going awry.
Also, if you want to, use a pencil or whatever will leave a mark on whatever fabric you're sewing and draw a straight line where you want your stitching to go. Having a visual line to follow can help you stay on track with the needle for straighter stitching.
Thank Moon Bear! I think the thing with the singer heavy duty is that it’s very difficult, if not impossible, to sew very slowly through very heavy sail material. It’s much easier to sew slowly through lighter fabrics, but with the heavier stuff the needle won’t go through unless you press the pedal down enough and then it goes too fast. The machine is definitely not designed for heavy sail material like a Sailrite machine is.
@@drakeParagon Going slower with the Singer Heavy Duty is possible, but you have to (A) kind of "feather" the pedal, and (B) use the hand wheel to give it a little extra torque when starting or when it stalls at a low speed.
Not too bad for absolute beginners, but not useful for others. This seems almost as though Singer is "encouraging" you to sell their machine, even though it's not up to the task.
This video is not sponsored by Singer in any way. I’d like to add that I was able to patch the sail adequately enough. And while the singer heavy duty was just barely adequate enough to sew through 4 layers of the heaviest sail material on our mainsail, it had no problems later sewing a patch onto our lighter material headsail. In addition to all of the other projects that I showed in part 1. If you want to see the perfect sewing machine to have on a saillboat then check out our next video on the Sailrite machine.
These machines are misnamed. Irresponsibly so. They are not "heavy-duty" machines for heavy canvas, heavy leather, or other heavy fabrics. "Cheapest isn't always best". They are only suitable for normal dress and light upholstery fabrics and will wear out in no time if used for heavier fabrics like the ones sailors sew.
An old Singer 15 or a Japanese clone of it (many brands) is far better for such jobs, provided they are regularly serviced (more than simply oiling).
Sorry, but your mom is wrong. You need the walking foot and an edge guide.
Why would you sew in such a terrible position with the machine moving all over the place as it is tilted and balanced on books or something weird. Very bad test. You need a proper table with proper space to spread out. No machine could sew a straight line in such conditions.
I see the problem...it's not the machine, it's that you don't really know what you're doing.
When it comes to sewing machines, you might enjoy this video from a guy who really does know what he's doing. :) ruclips.net/video/EtRE3Ysu4_A/видео.htmlsi=-CF0LzJTPRioisLQ
Omg throw that piece of junk out and get a real machine.