love the content! i was there the day before playing a bit with a dsr+ im prokit, over 2k balls no breaks using .684. that many ball breaks with a 1500 marker id be furious.
I appreciate Dye trying their best with this engine. It's a really unique gun with neat history behind it and I just want it succeed even just for Lurker's sake.
I wonder if the bolt speed plays a factor in the balls breaking in the barrel. I’m no physics major but maybe someone can explain. Is the ball travelling at its fastest in the beginning of the barrel back or just as it leaves the barrel tip
100% the bolt speed plays a factor. Ideally you would want the ball to be pushed into the barrel, and then the burst of air starts the ball's main acceleration down the barrel. However if you want a system that's very efficient you would want something that opens and closes very quickly. If that something is tied to the bolt speed operating very quickly then paint handling will suffer. I'm not intimately familiar with the Paragon Core, but it seems to have the same problems the old Dye NT's had.
@@BonusBaller585 to me it just seems like it’s not a gradual push>>>> it’s more of a slap due to the speed. Even though the breach is clear that doesn’t mean the breaks are not related to the bolt itself. Just some food for thought. I’m by no means a professional or qualified on the matter. I’m just intrigued by the issue.
@@foolishcreations2259 Yeah I agree with you. I think it's bolt speed issue too, but I don't know enough about the Paragon Core to completely blame the bolt speed. The only other marker I own that has come close to breaking this much paint is my Dye NT, and the NT has a bolt speed issue.
There's more to it than "bolt speed." This core has 3 stages. The separation between the stages and the *acceleration* of each event are really what matters. Stage 1: When signaled, the pilot drives the first stage by supplying a small chunk of pressure from the shot chamber and applying it behind the bolt. This pressure is fed through a small 0.7mm orifice in the pilot and accesses the bolt through the set of holes in the rear can/front valve chamber. The bolt carries the stalk (valve) forward for 0.2" during this soft first stage. The bolt is able to carry the stalk thanks to the 110 clutch seal. Stage 2: Once the stalk vents clear the front valve seal (U-Cup in V1, Oring in V2), that exposes the bolt sail area to the shot chamber (second "diesel" stage), which drives the bolt + valve (still coupled) all the way forward. Note: At this point, the pilot is no longer doing anything and the dwell time has expired. The only roll the pilot plays is the first stage of the bolt action. After that, the shot chamber does it all. Stage 3: Once the stalk bumper contacts the can, it stops and the bolt continues on without it (clutch ring decouples). Once that happens, the shot chamber is able to vent (propel the ball). That pressure pulse launches the ball and pushes the valve closed, which = no more shot chamber pressure acting on the bolt. At that point, since neither the pilot or shot chamber are no longer feeding air to the back of the bolt, the air spring becomes dominant and returns the bolt, coupling it with the clutch ring once again. More information: ruclips.net/video/hOHpkeT_6SQ/видео.htmlsi=8rUFWzJumm2qQBOR
Are you able to put an eclipse or luxe up next to that setup, same paint and barrels and conditions, to see if paint breakage is the same in the other company's markers?
I shot this video after a team practice where everyone was shooting all the major marker brands all day, and no one had paint breakage issues as bad as you see here.
love the content! i was there the day before playing a bit with a dsr+ im prokit, over 2k balls no breaks using .684. that many ball breaks with a 1500 marker id be furious.
I appreciate Dye trying their best with this engine. It's a really unique gun with neat history behind it and I just want it succeed even just for Lurker's sake.
It’s a piece of shit. No matter what bolt they put in there
@@GeoR5shooter Cool story bro. God forbid someone wants a legacy design to work instead of gamma core clones
@@atracin yeah to bad it doesn’t work.
id be interested in bringing mine up sometime. swapping bolts between the markers to see if anything changes
Thanks for making PB content :-)
I wonder if the bolt speed plays a factor in the balls breaking in the barrel. I’m no physics major but maybe someone can explain. Is the ball travelling at its fastest in the beginning of the barrel back or just as it leaves the barrel tip
I was thinking that at one point too when my m3s had the same type of paint breaking occurring.
100% the bolt speed plays a factor. Ideally you would want the ball to be pushed into the barrel, and then the burst of air starts the ball's main acceleration down the barrel. However if you want a system that's very efficient you would want something that opens and closes very quickly. If that something is tied to the bolt speed operating very quickly then paint handling will suffer. I'm not intimately familiar with the Paragon Core, but it seems to have the same problems the old Dye NT's had.
@@BonusBaller585 to me it just seems like it’s not a gradual push>>>> it’s more of a slap due to the speed. Even though the breach is clear that doesn’t mean the breaks are not related to the bolt itself. Just some food for thought. I’m by no means a professional or qualified on the matter. I’m just intrigued by the issue.
@@foolishcreations2259 Yeah I agree with you. I think it's bolt speed issue too, but I don't know enough about the Paragon Core to completely blame the bolt speed. The only other marker I own that has come close to breaking this much paint is my Dye NT, and the NT has a bolt speed issue.
There's more to it than "bolt speed."
This core has 3 stages. The separation between the stages and the *acceleration* of each event are really what matters.
Stage 1: When signaled, the pilot drives the first stage by supplying a small chunk of pressure from the shot chamber and applying it behind the bolt. This pressure is fed through a small 0.7mm orifice in the pilot and accesses the bolt through the set of holes in the rear can/front valve chamber. The bolt carries the stalk (valve) forward for 0.2" during this soft first stage. The bolt is able to carry the stalk thanks to the 110 clutch seal.
Stage 2: Once the stalk vents clear the front valve seal (U-Cup in V1, Oring in V2), that exposes the bolt sail area to the shot chamber (second "diesel" stage), which drives the bolt + valve (still coupled) all the way forward.
Note: At this point, the pilot is no longer doing anything and the dwell time has expired. The only roll the pilot plays is the first stage of the bolt action. After that, the shot chamber does it all.
Stage 3: Once the stalk bumper contacts the can, it stops and the bolt continues on without it (clutch ring decouples). Once that happens, the shot chamber is able to vent (propel the ball). That pressure pulse launches the ball and pushes the valve closed, which = no more shot chamber pressure acting on the bolt. At that point, since neither the pilot or shot chamber are no longer feeding air to the back of the bolt, the air spring becomes dominant and returns the bolt, coupling it with the clutch ring once again.
More information: ruclips.net/video/hOHpkeT_6SQ/видео.htmlsi=8rUFWzJumm2qQBOR
Are you able to put an eclipse or luxe up next to that setup, same paint and barrels and conditions, to see if paint breakage is the same in the other company's markers?
I shot this video after a team practice where everyone was shooting all the major marker brands all day, and no one had paint breakage issues as bad as you see here.
A giant FU would have been to run a CZR next to the DLS and see a clean hopper dump thru the CZR.
is that GRC?
It was, yes.