I’m so glad I watched this one. After probably 20 of your videos I finally understand it way better than before. Also would love to see his stats after this lesson. Wish him the best on his journey.
Just wanted to thank you Dr. Kwon. Shot my personal best 3 over par thanks to your drills!! With a little more practice at putting, I think I can break par someday. Thanks for all the tips and drills!
I think the faster backswing = faster downswing doesn't get communicated well by many coaches. The faster backswing creates more loading or winding up. It means you don't have to try and speed up the downswing but I see many who think this.
Bryce has as fast a clubhead as I have seen in any of your students. When you tell him to practice at home, what is he practicing and what would his workout/practice session look like and how much time would he put into each session.
I suggest to read Percy Boomer 'On Learning Golf' (1942). Left arm parallel is certainly enough.The efficiency comes from an active movement below the waist and passive movement above the waist. Just swing the mass of the club head, but make sure that it is leg driven. It is like dragging a fisher net and throwing it out.
17:26 he grabs his left wrist like there is pain there. I am feeling that same pain after 2 weeks of swinging hard with Kwon's genius movement. Anyone know why that pain is there? it's the left wrist extending too much after contact, but why?
Why do you think it is because of the step drills? The step drills promote a more body driven swing to make the swing easier for the upper body. See what you do with your left wrist. The answer should be there. Use the forearm pronation/supination properly so that your wrist does not get stuck. Using a Ficor band will also help as it stabilize the wrist. For last 14 years, I've had several professional players with wrist issues and they actually reported that the lower-body driven swing was easier on their wrists, not the other way around.
@@drkwongolf thanks for the response. The reason i thought it was the body driven motion was because of the speed the arms "fling" into the ball, the wrist extension speed was dramatically increased with the body motion. Maybe I am doing something else wrong there. I will say my fastest swing speed hitting balls was with your swing. 121mph I will look into the ficor band Thanks again!
Stretching the entire body upwards from the ground while keeping the arms stretched down to keep the club head down along the ground is a thought from Percy Boomer's 'On Learning Golf', (1946). If I am not mistaken, it would make the use of the centrifugal effect in this swing even more efficient and take care of that slight tightness and the hurry at the top.
Centrifugal force is not a real force so stay away from it when you explain the golf swing. What causes a curved motion is the centripetal force, instead. The tendency of an object to keep moving in the same direction w/ same velocity is called inertia.
@@drkwongolf I appreciate your answer. My argument seems a bit different from yours. It is not as easy to express as one would like. It depends on the frame of reference used to describe the motion. In accordance with your argument I write centrifugal 'effect"; this is correct in a rotating frame of reference. In other words, from the perspective of the golfer, there is a centrifugal ("fleeing") effect. Inside the rotating frame of reference of the golfer, there is no centripetal effect, as he does not feel the club head move closer towards him. From the reference of an outside observer it is obviously the opposite, thus no centrifugal, but a centripetal effect observable. If I am not mistaken you yourself explain your rope drills with centrifugal effects to your students? I agree, because the student perceives chiefly from his reference position. Actually, the student perceives both reference systems simultaneously, his own rotational and, by observing himself from an outside person's position, the outside inertial reference system. My post relates rather to the golfer's experience of his rotational reference. Paraphrased - "feel a stretch of the body upwards and keep a full stretch of the arms "down" throughout the entire swing" (" pushing a ball under water while standing tall"). This sort of "fixes" the axis/center of rotation in space "up" and keeps the radius "constant" in my interpretation of what is described. Implementing these "feels" results, I observe, in a more effective sense of a "fleeing" sensation, e.g. at max, a pulling sensation in the sockets of your shoulder joints. This requires a specific "passive" tension in the upper body. Or, trying to say it in yet another way, a "fleeing" aspect relaxes the musculature and allows 'the rope to be pulled to maximum length', a "centripetal" thought might, however, tighten the musculature - at least in my case. It is indeed very interesting that you have come to emphasise a different conclusion. Do you see a specific value in swinging with a "centripetal" concept?
@@wordclouds2906 I think the term 'effect' used in centrifugal effect or centripetal effect is causing trouble. The effect that comes from a force is the acceleration. Regardless of the reference frame used, the radial force acting on the club by the hands is 'centripetal,' not 'centrifugal.' And the club experiences 'centripetal' acceleration in the radial direction. The centrifugal force is a 'fictitious' force or illusion so it does not have any effect no matter what reference frame you use. In the rotating reference frame, when you don't know the fact that the frame is accelerating by rotating, you must invent a fictitious force instead. But if you know the frame is rotating, no need to invent this force in understanding the mechanics. Fictitious (or apparent) force is not a real force so it does not have an effect (acceleration). Knowing this, I never explains golf swing using the 'centrifugal' force or effect. While the club has the inertia to continue the current motion (moving away from the body) but the hands do not allow it. This gives a centripetal force to the club. What the golfer feels during the swing is the reaction to the centripetal force. The centripetal force acts on the club by the hands and its reaction acts on the hands by the club at the same time. So just use 'inertia,' not 'centrifugal force.'
Thank you for your interest in the topic. I am critiquing the term centrifugal which belongs to an accelerated, non-inertial reference system. Your statements regarding fictitious forces and reference systems do not strike me as being entirely correct. 'fictitious' does not equal 'illusion' and (or because) the reference system does matter (non-inertial vs. inertial or accelerated vs non-accelerated system). I observe the golf swing with a non-inertial reference, as I am a rotating observer (player) and the club is rotating around a centrum. Centrifugal fictitious force and Coriolis force apply and are real. In a non-inertial, e.g. accelerating, reference system it is not possible to argue with inertia. You seem to observe as a non rotating observer (golf coach) and consequently from an inertial frame of reference and use terms correctly applied in an inertial reference system. That is, correctly, you cannot argue with centrifugal force. I prefer the non-inertial reference because I am rotating. I have to account for Coriolis force ('feel' - 'throw club head out to the right') and I am allowing the centrifugal force to stretch out my arms and position the club face correctly 'for me' ('feel' - ' "passive" above the waist'). For example, this 'stretch' is already factored into the position at address ( rather 'upright', wrists 'up', left arm/club 'straight line') As your point of view differs, your teaching will differ. I am very much interested to learn from you how the teaching from the inertial reference perspective might be preferable for a player's understanding about how to optimise the motion of the club head. Add on: I am not a golf coach, simply interested in contemplating a golf swing that makes use of correct principles.
I have been testing this out on my own a little bit. Question to Dr Kwon or anyone else which have actually been taught by him: do you find that your grips needs to be stronger than with normal swing? Since it's more body driven and not arms driven i find that the club is more open.
Open face is not a typical outcome of the body-driven swing. See your impact position. Are you sliding the pelvis toward the target because the back of your left hand faces forward toward the ball?
Bryce swing was a slightly old-fashioned arms driven swing, reminded me a bit of Payne Stewart. Bryce's uncle was a very successful player, noted for having very little leg and body movement. Did Bryce ask to move to a more body-driven swing? Seems too big a change to me.
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I’m so glad I watched this one. After probably 20 of your videos I finally understand it way better than before. Also would love to see his stats after this lesson. Wish him the best on his journey.
So happy to see Dr Kwong excited with this student crushing the ball.
Just wanted to thank you Dr. Kwon. Shot my personal best 3 over par thanks to your drills!! With a little more practice at putting, I think I can break par someday. Thanks for all the tips and drills!
Congrats!
Another amazingly great session! I so glad for your channel. I've learned so much from you.
So interesting to watch a plda player. Very cool.
I just love it when Dr Kwon laughs
I don't like the way I laugh. You will see changes. ^_^
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Like the golf swing shouldn’t the laugh be natural and not contrived ? Your laugh is just fine the way it is.
@@tedblaikie1580 haha!
@@drkwongolf it's a great laugh, push, turn, laugh....
I think the faster backswing = faster downswing doesn't get communicated well by many coaches. The faster backswing creates more loading or winding up. It means you don't have to try and speed up the downswing but I see many who think this.
Exactly! Fast BS also eliminates unnecessary movements effectively.
Knee bend will allow the hips to shift and turn. While maintaining a stationary head
Knee action brings the hips up/down mainly while the head position is fairly maintained.
DrKwon i think your teaching is the best out there, is this swing method for all of the clubs in the bag, thanks.
Similar w/ minor adjustments. For example, the magnitude of the BS can be smaller in the shorter clubs. Mature BS/transition does not change.
@@drkwongolf great thank you, keep them coming sir
Bryce has as fast a clubhead as I have seen in any of your students. When you tell him to practice at home, what is he practicing and what would his workout/practice session look like and how much time would he put into each session.
At age 85, when the left arm, at best, swings parallel to the ground, how do you make an efficient swing?
I suggest to read Percy Boomer 'On Learning Golf' (1942). Left arm parallel is certainly enough.The efficiency comes from an active movement below the waist and passive movement above the waist. Just swing the mass of the club head, but make sure that it is leg driven. It is like dragging a fisher net and throwing it out.
Is the limited range of motion due to an injury or loss of flexibility or because of the swing style you are using?
17:26 he grabs his left wrist like there is pain there. I am feeling that same pain after 2 weeks of swinging hard with Kwon's genius movement. Anyone know why that pain is there? it's the left wrist extending too much after contact, but why?
Why do you think it is because of the step drills? The step drills promote a more body driven swing to make the swing easier for the upper body. See what you do with your left wrist. The answer should be there. Use the forearm pronation/supination properly so that your wrist does not get stuck. Using a Ficor band will also help as it stabilize the wrist.
For last 14 years, I've had several professional players with wrist issues and they actually reported that the lower-body driven swing was easier on their wrists, not the other way around.
@@drkwongolf thanks for the response. The reason i thought it was the body driven motion was because of the speed the arms "fling" into the ball, the wrist extension speed was dramatically increased with the body motion. Maybe I am doing something else wrong there.
I will say my fastest swing speed hitting balls was with your swing. 121mph
I will look into the ficor band
Thanks again!
Stretching the entire body upwards from the ground while keeping the arms stretched down to keep the club head down along the ground is a thought from Percy Boomer's 'On Learning Golf', (1946). If I am not mistaken, it would make the use of the centrifugal effect in this swing even more efficient and take care of that slight tightness and the hurry at the top.
Centrifugal force is not a real force so stay away from it when you explain the golf swing. What causes a curved motion is the centripetal force, instead. The tendency of an object to keep moving in the same direction w/ same velocity is called inertia.
@@drkwongolf I appreciate your answer. My argument seems a bit different from yours. It is not as easy to express as one would like. It depends on the frame of reference used to describe the motion.
In accordance with your argument I write centrifugal 'effect"; this is correct in a rotating frame of reference. In other words, from the perspective of the golfer, there is a centrifugal ("fleeing") effect. Inside the rotating frame of reference of the golfer, there is no centripetal effect, as he does not feel the club head move closer towards him.
From the reference of an outside observer it is obviously the opposite, thus no centrifugal, but a centripetal effect observable.
If I am not mistaken you yourself explain your rope drills with centrifugal effects to your students? I agree, because the student perceives chiefly from his reference position.
Actually, the student perceives both reference systems simultaneously, his own rotational and, by observing himself from an outside person's position, the outside inertial reference system.
My post relates rather to the golfer's experience of his rotational reference.
Paraphrased - "feel a stretch of the body upwards and keep a full stretch of the arms "down" throughout the entire swing" (" pushing a ball under water while standing tall"). This sort of "fixes" the axis/center of rotation in space "up" and keeps the radius "constant" in my interpretation of what is described.
Implementing these "feels" results, I observe, in a more effective sense of a "fleeing" sensation, e.g. at max, a pulling sensation in the sockets of your shoulder joints. This requires a specific "passive" tension in the upper body.
Or, trying to say it in yet another way, a "fleeing" aspect relaxes the musculature and allows 'the rope to be pulled to maximum length', a "centripetal" thought might, however, tighten the musculature - at least in my case.
It is indeed very interesting that you have come to emphasise a different conclusion. Do you see a specific value in swinging with a "centripetal" concept?
@@wordclouds2906 I think the term 'effect' used in centrifugal effect or centripetal effect is causing trouble. The effect that comes from a force is the acceleration. Regardless of the reference frame used, the radial force acting on the club by the hands is 'centripetal,' not 'centrifugal.' And the club experiences 'centripetal' acceleration in the radial direction.
The centrifugal force is a 'fictitious' force or illusion so it does not have any effect no matter what reference frame you use. In the rotating reference frame, when you don't know the fact that the frame is accelerating by rotating, you must invent a fictitious force instead. But if you know the frame is rotating, no need to invent this force in understanding the mechanics. Fictitious (or apparent) force is not a real force so it does not have an effect (acceleration).
Knowing this, I never explains golf swing using the 'centrifugal' force or effect. While the club has the inertia to continue the current motion (moving away from the body) but the hands do not allow it. This gives a centripetal force to the club. What the golfer feels during the swing is the reaction to the centripetal force. The centripetal force acts on the club by the hands and its reaction acts on the hands by the club at the same time.
So just use 'inertia,' not 'centrifugal force.'
Thank you for your interest in the topic. I am critiquing the term centrifugal which belongs to an accelerated, non-inertial reference system.
Your statements regarding fictitious forces and reference systems do not strike me as being entirely correct. 'fictitious' does not equal 'illusion' and (or because) the reference system does matter (non-inertial vs. inertial or accelerated vs non-accelerated system).
I observe the golf swing with a non-inertial reference, as I am a rotating observer (player) and the club is rotating around a centrum. Centrifugal fictitious force and Coriolis force apply and are real.
In a non-inertial, e.g. accelerating, reference system it is not possible to argue with inertia.
You seem to observe as a non rotating observer (golf coach) and consequently from an inertial frame of reference and use terms correctly applied in an inertial reference system. That is, correctly, you cannot argue with centrifugal force.
I prefer the non-inertial reference because I am rotating. I have to account for Coriolis force ('feel' - 'throw club head out to the right') and I am allowing the centrifugal force to stretch out my arms and position the club face correctly 'for me' ('feel' - ' "passive" above the waist').
For example, this 'stretch' is already factored into the position at address ( rather 'upright', wrists 'up', left arm/club 'straight line')
As your point of view differs, your teaching will differ. I am very much interested to learn from you how the teaching from the inertial reference perspective might be preferable for a player's understanding about how to optimise the motion of the club head.
Add on: I am not a golf coach, simply interested in contemplating a golf swing that makes use of correct principles.
Dr kwon get bryson at a reprogramming session
I have been testing this out on my own a little bit. Question to Dr Kwon or anyone else which have actually been taught by him: do you find that your grips needs to be stronger than with normal swing? Since it's more body driven and not arms driven i find that the club is more open.
I haven't noticed that at all.
Open face is not a typical outcome of the body-driven swing. See your impact position. Are you sliding the pelvis toward the target because the back of your left hand faces forward toward the ball?
Bryce swing was a slightly old-fashioned arms driven swing, reminded me a bit of Payne Stewart. Bryce's uncle was a very successful player, noted for having very little leg and body movement. Did Bryce ask to move to a more body-driven swing? Seems too big a change to me.
I tried to improve the flow by speeding up the BS and connecting it to the DS better.
Wy you are not using the force plate or the sensor?
We did. This reprogramming is done after the swing analysis and feedback.
Interesting lesson. What do you think about his left arm bending in transition? Mine does this a bit.
Bending the arm slightly is OK. Actually it is more natural.
The way Bryce moved his legs in the beginning is taught by many others.
Yup. A couple big names right now in particular come to mind. I cringe every time I see it
I, unfortunately, learned that in early 90s but changed back. That is a way to play.
Wow, nice to be young, flexible and athletic. What was his clubhead speed?
He is a professional long driver.
Dr. KWON...Scott Verplank's (former PGA TOUR PLAYER) son?
Nephew.
@@drkwongolf Dr. Kwon, how do I schedule a reprogramming lesson with you? Think my areas to improve are very much similar. Thank you.
I was wondering the same.
Why not show the data at the beginning of the session and the data at the end? It's impossible to know if this works without any data. Thumbs down.