My Y-DNA 111 results also have a lot of surnames, especially from Ireland, but also scattered other European ones. I have strong Y matches that confirm my surname back to the 1700's, but I don't have genealogical trail beyond this period. As you suggest, some surname flips occur due to NPEs, but another scenario that I have seen often enough is when a widow with yound children remarries, these children often adopt their stepfather's surname.
It's not just trade and migration which can affect ethnicity. There also war. I'll give an example of this. So back during the War of the Three Kingdoms, when Oliver Cromwell fought his wars in England, Ireland, and Scotland, captured soldiers were invariably deported. After the 2nd Battle of Dunbar, for instance, some captured Scottish soldiers of the Covenanter army were deported as indentured servants to England's growing North American colonies. Not everybody migrated voluntarily, if you get my drift. In other cases, Scottish soldiers were recruited and fought as mercenaries for the Kingdom of Sweden. Many of them would have settled afterwards in Sweden or the Baltic states. In my own MyHeritage kits I've found matches from Estonia, Lithuania, as well as all the Scandinavian countries. Scottish soldiers settling in these places would explain that. Some of these matches have in their trees surnames which vaguely look like Swedish-fied versions of Scottish names. (It's not the only explanation, but it is definitely something to bear in mind.)
My results were very accurate. Very interesting discussion. I enjoyed it. I had a tiny trace of DNA that they classified as Sardinia first; then Cyprus, and then something else last time I looked. But, I do have distant relatives in Italy because of it…. Maybe.
The transatlantic trade in enslaved people started in what’s now known as the Early Modern Era (used to be called Late Renaissance), c. 1500-1795. One way to refer to the time period in the Americas before 1492 is as Pre-Columbian. My brother’s Y haplogroup is V15. Our paternal grandfather was from England which, as we know, was invaded and then colonized by Scandinavian people. V, in particular, is found among native Sami people, who now live in northern Finland. So V can be found in central and eastern Europe, too, as well as in parts of Spain and in northwest Africa, which we know was colonized by Europeans, going back to the ancient Roman period, at least. As to raping and pillaging, and carrying off - yeah. But also, remember that romantic love was not particularly desirable to most people. And marriage itself was more of an economic arrangement than anything else. Many people around the world actually thought about lust and infatuation as sickness. Literally lovesickness. Often, demon possession. So while rape and kidnap is unspeakable , the absence of romantic love was actually considered desirable. That’s why we refer to “falling” in love. Great factoid about Diana’s mitochondrial DNA, wow! Anyway, it’s fun to think of my remote ancestors as being from native Sami people! Nice rapid review of major migrations.
Hi, I'm André Hammann from Brazil and my Y-DNA is from HG R1a, detailed R-BY111801, and reading some articles it indicates to be very common between balto-slavic peoples, and my at-DNA at FTDNA and Ancestry indicates some Baltic origins, respectively 10 and 2%. Very recently I discovered that my ancestor came from a small town in East-Prussia (today Kaliningrad), and that makes me think maybe my Hamanns are descendants of the old prussians (baltic tribes), later germanized by the Teutonic Knights, my paternal ancestor is the only one came from there to Brazil. What is your opinion about this old-prussian theory?
Your migration map is slightly outdated, given more recent paleological discoveries. For instance, it appears that early hominids started in southern and western Africa, too, as samples from these locations have tested as older than those in eastern Africa. So those very early hominids that migrated out of Africa were likely to have been mixtures of those very archaic ancestors. Also, the thinking now is that ancient peoples from the eastern European steppe lands, who had horses, migrated west over generations, and one branch probably became the Celts. So what would be labeled as Irish today were probably settlers with roots in central and eastern Europe. Truly, with literally thousands of ancestors for each person, we’re all a mixture of everything, when you go back far enough. For those who don’t want to learn some history, some geography, and some basic genetic info: you won’t understand your family’s history without it. And if you only test with one DNA testing company, and you allow that company to tell you who you are, you’re likely to go off track.
The map's accurate could very well be outdated but for genealogists, the main principles of how migration and trade effects their ethnicity inheritance and percentages will likely hold true. Does it not?
My Y-DNA 111 results also have a lot of surnames, especially from Ireland, but also scattered other European ones. I have strong Y matches that confirm my surname back to the 1700's, but I don't have genealogical trail beyond this period. As you suggest, some surname flips occur due to NPEs, but another scenario that I have seen often enough is when a widow with yound children remarries, these children often adopt their stepfather's surname.
It's not just trade and migration which can affect ethnicity. There also war. I'll give an example of this.
So back during the War of the Three Kingdoms, when Oliver Cromwell fought his wars in England, Ireland, and Scotland, captured soldiers were invariably deported. After the 2nd Battle of Dunbar, for instance, some captured Scottish soldiers of the Covenanter army were deported as indentured servants to England's growing North American colonies. Not everybody migrated voluntarily, if you get my drift.
In other cases, Scottish soldiers were recruited and fought as mercenaries for the Kingdom of Sweden. Many of them would have settled afterwards in Sweden or the Baltic states. In my own MyHeritage kits I've found matches from Estonia, Lithuania, as well as all the Scandinavian countries. Scottish soldiers settling in these places would explain that. Some of these matches have in their trees surnames which vaguely look like Swedish-fied versions of Scottish names. (It's not the only explanation, but it is definitely something to bear in mind.)
You brought up an excellent point. Forced mixing from the spoils of war is also something to consider in our genetic and genealogical heritage.
My results were very accurate. Very interesting discussion. I enjoyed it. I had a tiny trace of DNA that they classified as Sardinia first; then Cyprus, and then something else last time I looked. But, I do have distant relatives in Italy because of it…. Maybe.
Yep. That's a hot bed of intermixing due to the coast.
Same here. MyHeritage actually gives me 14.2% Italian heritage, but I have none that I’m aware of.
The transatlantic trade in enslaved people started in what’s now known as the Early Modern Era (used to be called Late Renaissance), c. 1500-1795. One way to refer to the time period in the Americas before 1492 is as Pre-Columbian.
My brother’s Y haplogroup is V15. Our paternal grandfather was from England which, as we know, was invaded and then colonized by Scandinavian people. V, in particular, is found among native Sami people, who now live in northern Finland. So V can be found in central and eastern Europe, too, as well as in parts of Spain and in northwest Africa, which we know was colonized by Europeans, going back to the ancient Roman period, at least.
As to raping and pillaging, and carrying off - yeah. But also, remember that romantic love was not particularly desirable to most people. And marriage itself was more of an economic arrangement than anything else. Many people around the world actually thought about lust and infatuation as sickness. Literally lovesickness. Often, demon possession. So while rape and kidnap is unspeakable , the absence of romantic love was actually considered desirable. That’s why
we refer to “falling” in love. Great factoid about Diana’s mitochondrial DNA, wow!
Anyway, it’s fun to think of my remote ancestors as being from native Sami people!
Nice rapid review of major migrations.
Thanks for providing your insight and feedback. I appreciate you watching and commenting.
Hi, I'm André Hammann from Brazil and my Y-DNA is from HG R1a, detailed R-BY111801, and reading some articles it indicates to be very common between balto-slavic peoples, and my at-DNA at FTDNA and Ancestry indicates some Baltic origins, respectively 10 and 2%. Very recently I discovered that my ancestor came from a small town in East-Prussia (today Kaliningrad), and that makes me think maybe my Hamanns are descendants of the old prussians (baltic tribes), later germanized by the Teutonic Knights, my paternal ancestor is the only one came from there to Brazil.
What is your opinion about this old-prussian theory?
Its a good start for some further research. Do you match others with Kaliningrad ancestry?
interesting
Thank you.
Your migration map is slightly outdated, given more recent paleological discoveries. For instance, it appears that early hominids started in southern and western Africa, too, as samples from these locations have tested as older than those in eastern Africa. So those very early hominids that migrated out of Africa were likely to have been mixtures of those very archaic ancestors.
Also, the thinking now is that ancient peoples from the eastern European steppe lands, who had horses, migrated west over generations, and one branch probably became the Celts. So what would be labeled as Irish today were probably settlers with roots in central and eastern Europe. Truly, with literally thousands of ancestors for each person, we’re all a mixture of everything, when you go back far enough.
For those who don’t want to learn some history, some geography, and some basic genetic info: you won’t understand your family’s history without it. And if you only test with one DNA testing company, and you allow that company to tell you who you are, you’re likely to go off track.
The map's accurate could very well be outdated but for genealogists, the main principles of how migration and trade effects their ethnicity inheritance and percentages will likely hold true. Does it not?