Dualtron Victor Range test PT1 *How far will it go on Dual Motor mode???*
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2021
- Alrighty. I will have links alittle later incase this video uploads before i get back.
In this video i took the dualtron Victor for a max distance Range test. We put all of the P setting on the eye controller to maxed out and did this test in eco mode with the motor dial set on Dual motor. This test was freaking painful but rewarding. This will give you guys an idea on how far you can take the victor if you really try. This test does havee room for improvement if your rider weight is less then my 204lbs and you ride a route that is just about completely flat. For now enjoy the video and thank you guys so much fo your support on this Dualtron victor journey as i am happy to share this content with you! Keep an eye out for any links or just look at some of my previous videos for some useful links.
😎👍... These are the video I enjoy the most informative non bias review
Thank you. Thank you very much!
My man thank you for making this video. If like to see with you going fast and/or stop-go. I only use dual motor on these things. The single mode will burn out the controller. I just adjust acceleration before the ride so I still can get a smooth ride without being jerked around from the acceleration
You can burn the controllers out going long distances in single motor. MiniMotors suggests always riding in dual. Great range on the Victor. Nice vid👍🏽
Thank you very much. I may ask them to sponsor that video so if that controller goes out, they can send me another one just for research purposes lol. I'm about to do a range test here in another 20mins from the death valley junction to the pay kiosk in death valley. I've been trying to get out here for the longest. It's a 2009ft incline and outside temps will be 90-95°f. Stay tuned my guy lol
Also. I always wonder about the single motor. My Ninebot max for example. Yes it has a 7.5a controller 350w rear motor. It weights around 42-43lbs and it runs single motor. I did an unofficial range test with it and my Dualtron in 102°f heat up aomg 992ft incline and neither scooter batted an eye. My victor was I'm dual mode and so I think. Yesy victor is alittle less then twice the weight of my Ninebot, but also has like 6x the power. Why couldn't the victor do the same in single motor mode I ain't riding it hard?
My range test are pretty easy on the equipment I'm testing in general. So I would think they would be fine. But I guess we'll see. This is why I do this stuff.
@@Jonasegway lol.. I hear you. Just giving you a heads up. They aren’t cheap. Hate to see Victor die in Death Valley…but that would be a dope place for it lol! I’ll be looking out for the vid man. I have an Eagle, but been considering Victor for the range.
O I'm loving it. I was just shooting a video yesterday and I was like man the victor is a good scooter for the size. The power vs range vs it's portability is just dam good. I'm glad I bought. It was was a tossup between It and the thunder. The guy at the minimotors store asked me a few questions like will it be my normal mode of transportation, do I plan on traveling with it? What type of rider I was, he said if I was talking to him on the phone or via email, he would have asked me a out my weight and height. He said from everything he gathered, it looks like the victor was going to be the better buy vs what it sounded like I needed vs what the scooters were offering. So I got the victor and it's like man. I really think I made a good choice. Yes more speed and range would be nice, but this victor has been satisfying me so far. Thank God I dont have any friends with superior machines. I'm sure that would mess with my satisfaction for the victor 👀
And about the victor dying out here. Lol I know right!. At least of the 17miles with this 2009ft elevation climb like 14.3miles of it will be straight downhill. So if it did die, I won't have very far to walk it where I could just coast it downhill. I'm gearing up for the trip now and I'm thinking about doing it in single motor mode 👀. I think it would make the video better. Man screw it. I'm doing it in single motor mode 👀👀
Great 👍🏿 range test I will be posting more videos also just waiting for my new battery 🔋
Well I definitely subbed! So what's the deal with your battery?
@@Jonasegway had a error code popped up had to send videos pics so they figured out it was the battery 🔋 so I will be doing two fixing videos one for battery 🔋 and taillight for the Varla Pegasus thanks buddy I appreciate it and gotta try out my new camera 🎥 that’s great range on ur scooter 🛴
@@fatcatelectric ahh ok ok. Did something specifically happen that caused the battery fail or it just happened one day?
Like we're you riding real hard and you ended up getting an error code? Did you just have too many charge/discharge cycles? We're you operating in extreme heat?
@@Jonasegway no heat didn’t ride it heavy I did 10.1 miles and error popped up and cut off battery is fully charged after taking it off charger it won’t cut on unless charger pugged up to it this my 1st time seeing the inside of the scooter and opening her up
@@fatcatelectric wow. That's crazy! Yes I was always reserved about opening up my Victor but after doing it the first time, I was comfy with doing it again.
Is it cramped inside of your board? Like with the wiring and all that good stuff?
First time here good content keep up the good work be checking back soon..Question: Camera on chin or top helmet any suggestions?
Thank you very very much on the compliment.
In this video I had my mount on top of my helmet using my GoPro hero 9 Inside one of those foam covers to block out the wind.
Where do I recommend you mount yours? I think it depends on the type of helmet you have. I have a chin mount on my motorcycle helmet and with the helmet In this test which is more of a "skater" helmet, I have it mounted on the top.
I really like both mounting positions but I would say the chin mount is better if you want the viewers to see your handlebars and eye controller more then go for the chin mount. Also depending on what camera you use, you might not need any external microphones for audio quality IFFF you plan on talking while riding in your videos.
vs mounted on top will give people more of a view of everything around you and not so much of a view of your dash and handlebars.
The chin mount I have on my motorcycle helmet is this one: QKOO Motorcycle Helmet Chin Mount Kit for GoPro Hero 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, Session, 3+, 3, 2, 1, Hero (2018), DJI Osmo Action, AKASO, SJCAM, Xiaomi Yi Action Cameras www.amazon.com/dp/B091HXYQ6B/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_70NVRXXV82518RHRM029?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
The mount on the top of my skater style helmet is just a regular GoPro adhesive helmet mount that usually comes with the GoPro when you buy one.
@@Jonasegway Thanks for reply that really helped i'll be ordering that chin mount you posted good price and i like the wrap around the front chin.. great video by the way "keep on riding and stay safe".
@@vramz210 thank you very much. I went with the chin strap I went with because my helmet is modular. Most other chin mounts just didn't look like they would work good. Also....I usually would mount my GoPro in it's media mod when I use the chin strap. The good thing about the media mod is it comes with a wind muff over the microphone and I can choose to get the audio from the rear facing microphone which points right at my face. So with that, my voice can be heard easier with less wind noise if any.
@@Jonasegway Oh ok I see makes sense..I need one of those wind muffs as well or might buy the Insta 360 One X2.
@@vramz210 yessss. I said if one of my gopros go out, I'm getting the insta 360 one. Just go on eBay and look for "foam cover" for insta 360. They may have one. Those things are the truth!!
I got 45.3 miles that's 72.9 kms I was in dual eco mode 3 I'm gonna test out mode 2
I think 45miles isnt bad. now what was your average speed?
- were you on paved roads?
- was there alot of hill climbing?
- how was the weather? Temperature?
- How much do you weight? and how much tire pressure was you running?
- When your battery got low, what was the voltage? and how did you ride when it got that low?
- did you run the battery down till it shut off?
Well I think this explains the difference we were chatting about on facebook... You were only going 10-15mph.... still really impressive that you got 72 miles compared to claimed 62mile from minimotors who probably tested it in the same way you did... And you are not a small guy hahaha. Guess the victor over delivers!! Would love a range test at 30mph! I dont think we will get more than 30 miles
Yes sir. I can't wait to see how far it goes in eco mode/single motor with the acceleration turned down with no battery save. I think at least 80miles.
Hey. If you really want me to do a 30mph range test I will. It should be easier. Maybe not, finding the right roads to maintain 30mph or at least just make my target speed 30mph would be fun. At least it won't take me almost 6hrs 😳.
But yes I always look at range test as if I wanted to do a really long ride and it I ride accordingly, how far can I go? I travel with my victor and I always think. Hey....how far do I need to be from a town or city to make it with the victor if my car were to break down? Stuff like that makes me think of doing range test. But here in a week or two I'll have my answer in single motor mode. Although I am curious if a single motor has the capability to use more energy then just riding with both motors on?
@@Jonasegway be careful i hear that a scooter that have dual motor it's not good to use in single motor, it can burn down, btw thanks for the test
Yes sir. I can't wait to see how far it goes in eco mode/single motor with the acceleration turned down with no battery save. I think at least 80miles.
Hey. If you really want me to do a 30mph range test I will. It should be easier. Maybe not, finding the right roads to maintain 30mph or at least just make my target speed 30mph would be fun. At least it won't take me almost 6hrs 😳.
But yes I always look at range test as if I wanted to do a really long ride and it I ride accordingly, how far can I go? I travel with my victor and I always think. Hey....how far do I need to be from a town or city to make it with the victor if my car were to break down? Stuff like that makes me think of doing range test. But here in a week or two I'll have my answer in single motor mode. Although I am curious if a single motor has the capability to use more energy then just riding with both motors on? 🤔
@@dontknowbetternameatm I've heard that too. I think it's bad when the ambient temps are very high or maybe when you're route is pretty hilly. The test route I've used for this range test doesn't have any aggressive hills so I HOPE it will be fine. I think it will be. I anticipate 80 something degrees Fahrenheit. Plus I will dial the settings down to not give me full power on acceleration.
nice video!II have a question.If you have a chance to choose a e scooter again,would you choose it again?
I keep searching on victor but there are so many not good comments on it.
To be honest,victor or vsett +10?
THX :)
Let me look at the vsett 10+ and I will get back to you In lets say an hour.
But right now? Off the top of my head? I think I would buy it again. (I think) but before I make that answer definitive, let me check out the vsett 10+ and I'll respond again within an HR of this response
@@Jonasegway thanks a lottttttt!I am on the fence for two weeks.OMG :(
@@cooper2314 while I am looking at vsett 10+ videos I want you to make a list of things to consider. I I've said this before but I wish I could ride all of the scooters out there so I could really give you guys the most unbiased...accurate information I could think of but here's what I want you to do:
- make a list of wants
- make a list of needs
After you've done this, figure out what type of rider you are and how you intend to use your next scooter. Now figure out which one fits those wants and needs the best. If it's too close to call, pick whichever is most appealing to you.
- I personally was looking for something as portable as possible
- that could at least do 50miles on a charge.
- wasn't over 80-90lbs because I needed to travel with it
- water resistant
- durable
- doesn't come maxed out (spec wise)
- comfortable to ride
Figure out which checks more boxes then the other. Now minimotors NYC remind me of myself as you can call them during business hours and they were super super helpful. Customer service is just super super good with them and the dualtron scoots. My response to you can go on and on because there are so many things to consider but let me get back to my vsett 10+ research lol
@@cooper2314 ok I think I've seen enough on the vsett 10+
If I were shopping (the same way I actually did shop) and the scooter dealer had a victor and the vsett 10+ sitting on the showroom floor, I think I would have bought the vsett 10+ why?
- Both decks seem cramped but at least the vsett has a foot rest to give you that extra foot area
-ip 54 ratings are always attractive to me. I don't plan on riding in rain, but I don't want to be restricted to dry weather either. I travel with my scoot and practicality is one of my main concerns
- the headlights and turn signals are something I feel a midrange+ scooters have and the vsett 10+ has them both
Overall I see more value for your money with the vsett. I still don't think it will get more real world range then a victor nor do I see it lasting as long 28a 1400watt motors vs the victor's 30a 2000watt motors shows me the victor's motors are hardly working @ 30a.
Bottom line? I THINK if they were both in front of me just looking at the specs, I probably would have went with the 10+ if it was physically smaller when folded then the victor!
@@Jonasegway Thank you for your clear answer but u know vsett 10+ is way more expensive I guess
28 ah-4,490 dollar in aus
30 ah-3,500 dollar in aus
how much did you get the victor?
Yo Dawg I've been scratching my head about Speed Step, I see you can adjust it on the instrument panel 1,2,3 what do they actually do?
Well they are basically gears. The maximum speed really depends on your weight and resistance while riding.
For example:
1 takes me to a put 9mph when turbo is off
2- 18mph with turbo off
3- full speed but won't go over 38-39mph until I hit the turbo button and that opens it up all the way to 50+mph depending on rider weight, resistance and battery life left
@@Jonasegway you’re a legend thanks man! Can’t wait to try this scooter out Saturday it’s been wrapped up in cotton wool in my lounge man
@@Lynx-rw3kq 😂😂😂😂@ wrapped up. O you'll enjoy it. Don't forget to download the online manual here just to have for reference
minimotorsnordic.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Dualtron_victor_usermanual_US_c.pdf
If you ever put the battery save to "no save", just be careful when your battery gets too low on percentage. That's when I always go the easiest. but you may never get close to draining the battery. Deal with the slow charger as much as you can as it's like a trickle charger and doesn't stress the battery out like a fast charger would. At most, I would charge it with two regular chargers before I charge with a fast charger unless I really needed it to be charge fast which hasn't happened yet
@@Jonasegway aha thanks my man I done that a while ago I was religiously reading about speed step setting last night in the victor manual and they say nothing about what it does just how to change it 😂😂😂
Does the victor have tubeless tires? I know my wolf warrior 11 tires say 45 or 50 max psi are yours the same? And do you like the higher psi im 250lbs with gear and been riding about 45psi do you think I should try the higher 50psi.... good true video!
Thank you my guy I appreciate the love and support.
The victor DOES have tubes in the tires. At 200-204lbs (rider weight) I run 50psi. I have a friend who is 245lbs and with gear maybe about 263lbs. I actually keep his tires at 50psi as well but maybe I should make it 53-54psi.
With tubed tires especially I wouldn't worry about the max psi on the sidewalk of the tire because you aren't actually filling that tire with air but are the inner tube. The dualtron community stands by the 50psi rule. It keeps us away from flats. I would run 50-52psi in your wolf for comfort and 53-54psi for tire longevity and more range
@@Jonasegway wow that was a fast reply,thanks! The wolf are tubeless,still same psi you suggested
Did you delete your comment about a "true" range test? I was talking with two other folks about this.
So my version of a true range test is getting the most miles per charge. I couldn't count riding fast to see how far I can go while riding 30-40mph because it isn't consistent enough of a riding style to call a true range test.
HOWEVER!!!! I am open to the idea. I just need a good route to do this on. I'm my area (or at least where I live) they aren't used to nor familiar with these high performance scooters. They are only used to the 15mph rentals. I stopped telling people how fast it really go to keep them from getting "hot" on these skreets lol. But anywhuuu I will do a high performance range test. I can definitely do that. Personally just based off what I know now after doing like 3 range test in different scenarios, I don't think this victor will see over 35miles on an endurance ride. At my weight at least
@@eddiekytia yes. Tubed or tubeless I'm thinking for your size I'd go with my suggestion
@@Jonasegway your reasoning does make sense. I like that the scooter has 21700 cells. My wolf warrior 11 has a 35ah 60v battery and with every setting turned up and my 250lbs i only get about 25/30 miles riding 20-35mph.... wish I had a pure sine controller with a 45ah 21700 battery... glad I found your channel, your doing good content and actually answer your subscribers questions...... good on you brotha
can you do a 30mph range test?
Ok I will try and do a 30mph range test. I will have to pick a day that is warm enough to do this and I'll make it happen. The challenging part is finding a good place to do such a test but I will because there seem to be some interest in such a test
@@Jonasegway I think you should do it in the same spot you did the other range test. That way the road conditions are the same.
@@brokejaw the trail system I've been doing my range test on isn't really suitable for a 30mph range test. I see this needing to be through the use of city streets. There are few places I have in mind that would otherwise make good 30mph test trails are in Utah along the salt lake city area, I've ridden a trail system in the Denver area that was also pretty good for a 30mph test but I don't know very many. I don't want to do it on a trail with even moderate human traffic. I'll figure it out. I have an idea on where I could do it. If I don't get at least an 80°F day, I won't do it. Temps lower then that really seem to affect battery life
@@Jonasegway lower temps lowers the battery range? I'm in NYC and temps are already dropping to 60 and I'll be around 30 for a few months...maybe I should get a bigger battery scooter...
Yes. They drop performance but a good amount. I will be uploading another range test on my test course but in single motor mode. I put the output to 75%, no turbo mode, kept the speed around 13-14mph total avg and it ran out of juice just over 62miles. I was expecting much more. To give you an idea on what I was dealing with, I started my ride with the temps around 42°f. Battery was depleting pretty quick till the outside temps got close to 70°f and by then I had only 30% battery left.
I've noticed the battery consumption decrease by alot at that time but like I said, it was kinda too late. 62miles might not be bad to most but this is with me riding economically. Riding fast would have probably only given me 25miles and riding in exploring mode maybe just 40-45miles.
I explain in a near future video 3 different riding modes. I have a fly mode, explore mode and economy mode.
As far as a bigger battery scooter goes, you have to buy the scooter that meet your needs. Think about the 'practical' range that you require, the portability, reliability, IP ratings, weight, customer service from any specific brand or dealer.
Other sub categories can come into play like lights (turn signals, brake lights), horn, durability etc. The victor met my needs more then anything available for the price when I got it. I needed that portability, light weight and range (although I wanted alittle more range, this is probably the best I can get for the size without spending $7000++ (i.e. rion models)
Why 12 MPH average. This scooter isnt suppose to be driven that slow. Would be much more interesting if the test was without limitations - you just drive as fast you feel it fits the situation. Thats the real test since thats how you will use it.
I only want to sit you down in the chair in front of me and ask you a serious question. You ready? Ok here goes .......
Do you truly believe everyone rides without limitations?
No there are two questions. The second question is what does the word RANGE mean to you? The word RANGE has two different variables. It has a maximum value and a minimum value. This video expresses the maximum range attainable at a specific weight given the conditions. NOT the minimum. Now do you understand why the avg speed was 12-13mph?
I always want to let you know, this is how I personally ride. I like to take loong rides so riding this slow is exactly what I do. This video is basically for those people who like to get the absolute most out of their batter range.
I have a friend who likes to use his scooter on group rides and when the spring time comes back, I will do another minimum but realistic range test for people like you who may be "faster" riders so you have an idea on what the minimum range would be for this particular model and the other two scooters i have.
I am sorry it will take me a few months to produce those videos because the distances covered would be drastically low if I did these test now.
If you have any questions regarding this scooter or any questions in general, let me know. I have almosy 800miles on my Victor and 800miles on my ninebot Max. I do have some information on range while riding faster
link of garmin navigator?
I prefer you choose where you will order it from by going to your Google search and type in "Garmin Edge 530".
Personally....if I will throw my recommendation out there, I 29uo recommend you go with the "Garmin Edge 1030" instead. It's slightly larger but also is a touchscreen model which I think would be better for the simple fact these how's have soo soo many options and features within. Having a touch screen version would be so much more convenient.
If I had an affiliate/discount link I would give it to you but I don't. So I want you to look at all of the sellers on your Google search and pick whichever will be best for you! Maybe wait till black Friday to buy one to get it alittle cheaper.
İs this LG battery or chine battery
That is a very good question. I want to say Chinese battery but after all of these years and all of these miles, the battery still performs great for it's age so it might not matter
yo man, is your scooter 30 ah or 24?
30ah
@@Jonasegway how far u think the 24 ah might go bro?
O man there are waaay too many variables to tell. Like waaaaay too many but if I simplified it and emulated what I did with mine with a 24ah setup, I would say 50-55miles TOPS.
My Nami is a 32ah scooter and weighs 30lbs more then my Victor and gave me about 25miles more range just to put it into perspective.
@@Jonasegway alright man, thanks i appreciate it
Remember....that's perfect condition, eco friendly riding. Having at least 45-48psi in the tires, your body weight can't be too much more then 195lbs (the lighter you are from there, the better your range), it can't be pretty windy, your route can't really have any sorta serious hills, delicate acceleration, onboard ights turned off, healthy battery.....stuff like that. After 3kmiles on the odometer I am willing to bet my 30ah Victor won't give me more then 60-65miles of range.
You can tell me how much miles i can drive with speed 24 miles/h
Ok so at 24mph at 195lbs depending on the temperature and type of route (hills, gravel) you should get 30-35miles and at that range you should have about 15% battery left.
These can all vary but when I hard charge the entire battery, I've never gotten less then 33miles on a charge.
The lower the battery gets below 20% the slower you should ride to avoid (stressing) the battery cells. Definitely let it cool before recharging (if you could) to extend the battery's lifespan
@@Jonasegwayokay thanks for responding, i can ask you one more time something? I have a fast charger you can talk something about this ? And i can take little load maybe 1-2 hour's or only full load is possible?
@@andrzejandrzej67 yes yes no problem. So it depends on the fast charge you have. I have a 6.5a fast charger and a 1.75a regular charger. When I combine my 6.5a and 1.75a chargers to charge, it takes around 6hrs to charge if my battery is around 15%
@@Jonasegwayyes i have 6.5 too, but I can take small charge, maybe from 60% to 100%, or only full from 15% to 100%
@andrzejandrzej67 ahhh yes. Try not to charge over 75% battery unless you know you will ride the scooter within 10hrs. These batteries lose a lot of life when they stay above 75% charge for too long without discharging