How To HELI LOOP / DOWNLOOP / LANDING LOOP FOR BIG JUMPS BIG AIR Kitesurfing | Get High with Mike

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  • Опубликовано: 9 фев 2020
  • A heli loop, downloop or landing loop, is the loop you throw before landing a massive jump! You need to use one of these if you’re coming down from big heights, because generating enough lift at the right time becomes increasingly difficult with higher jumps. This is the maneuver that encouraged me to start coaching. Let me know what you think or drop questions in the comments! N’yeowww!
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Комментарии • 187

  • @octavtirziu7455
    @octavtirziu7455 4 года назад +14

    Hey Mike, great video! Could you do a video about the thenique of doing a small bounce right before the pop? I’ve seen a lot of pros like Janek doing it , but never found a clear explanation.

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад +4

      Hey Octav! I've actually made a How To manual for this! You can get it on my website by signing up to my newsletter :D You'll find it on the bottom of the home page :) www.gethighwithmike.com

  • @thelukeandrews
    @thelukeandrews 4 года назад +7

    DUDE I have been searching for YEARS for this video!!!!! All the "landing big jumps" videos I've seen did not take Cape Town into account! Deffo hitting you up for a coaching sesh next time I'm in CT.
    Especially useful: 4:45 where you see the kite AND the bar!! Even if you just filmed yourself with a bar in the garden. Showing what to do with the bar in the corner, and the kite on the main screen, is amazing.
    Thanks boet

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад +1

      Yeah I had to learn this the hard way when I was already jumping 15m but didn't know how to land 😂 so I had to fill the gap! Stoked you dig it bru! Please do come for a session 🤘

  • @AndiMannott
    @AndiMannott 4 года назад +6

    started heli loops by the end of last season and was searching a good tutorial like for this forever... finally found this one right in time before season starts again! thanks!!

  • @paulunderpressure4445
    @paulunderpressure4445 4 года назад +6

    Seriously the best tutorial by far that Ive seen for helis THANK YOU!

  • @RonaldRegelink
    @RonaldRegelink 4 года назад +1

    Thank you for this video! This was my only problem with big jumps!

  • @joh5417
    @joh5417 4 года назад

    Perfect explanation with really helpful footage. I hope finally my friends understand what I want them to do :D

  • @KiteboardingInUruguay
    @KiteboardingInUruguay 4 года назад

    Awesome video Mike! Just what I needed to help me progress!!

  • @patrickgagne8795
    @patrickgagne8795 4 года назад +5

    “Just fucking send it” man that was hilarious

  • @HectorNiembroSindromeViajero
    @HectorNiembroSindromeViajero 4 года назад +3

    These videos are amazing! Love the diagrams and how you explain all of it from a technical point. Much easier to understand and to put into practice. Keep it up!

  • @ooBaraHoo
    @ooBaraHoo 4 года назад +13

    This is really great content - thanks for being so technical and talking about specifics in terms of what, when and why. The diagrams on bar position and timing, and kite position are a huge help! Perfect!

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад +1

      Thanks Benguin! Stoked to get such epic feedback!

  • @stefanlippeck6230
    @stefanlippeck6230 4 года назад

    First video i saw from you. Just my level of detail when i want something explaned properly. - Subbed

  • @ride_the_wind
    @ride_the_wind 4 года назад

    Perfect explanation, thanks mate :D

  • @gBayCanada
    @gBayCanada 4 года назад +1

    Been waiting for this video for such along time. Big Ups!!!!,

  • @TheRealJLS
    @TheRealJLS 4 года назад +3

    I needed this so much, thank you!!

  • @antonchernyshov8759
    @antonchernyshov8759 4 года назад +17

    Cool stuff, dude, informative and fun! Keep them coming, man!

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад +1

      Thanks bro! Frothing for our video! :D

    • @Witjes
      @Witjes 4 года назад +2

      @@gethighwithmike Will you guys be doing a video together? That must be epic

    • @pedhead
      @pedhead 3 года назад +1

      Anton and Mike make best kite videos!

  • @lucasmacewan
    @lucasmacewan 4 года назад

    Great video! Much appreciated!

  • @Maj000000
    @Maj000000 4 года назад

    Very nice, thanks!

  • @localToGlobal
    @localToGlobal 4 года назад

    Finally boss 🥳
    Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
    I'm looking forward to smooth landings. 🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼

  • @a.lame.username.
    @a.lame.username. 4 года назад +3

    Dude! Thank you, that was absolutely excellent!

  • @janhantke2689
    @janhantke2689 4 года назад +2

    Thats exactely what I was looking for Mike! Thanks so much!! Will check if I can do a training with you

  • @richardhamilton1436
    @richardhamilton1436 4 года назад +1

    Great and much needed video!

  • @volkspc555
    @volkspc555 3 года назад

    Sick video tutorial! Keep it up

  • @chill3525
    @chill3525 Год назад

    never done kiting before but am taking notes, thanks

  • @guruadventuretravel2958
    @guruadventuretravel2958 4 года назад

    Nice work Mike, thanks for putting the time in to share this knowledge. We also love that your light wind reco is a 10 or 12m day - wish we lived in CT!

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад +1

      Hahaha yeah I need to make sure I don't take CT for granted. And thanks so much!

  • @stephenbright7605
    @stephenbright7605 4 года назад

    I've been trying to heliloop all season without much success. I thought the video posted last month by @kite-surf-college was great, but it missed some key points you have provided such as swinging under the kite and releasing the bar a little. No wonder I've been accidently power looping. While I'm a bit discouraged by just how technical the heliloop is, this video has inspired me to get somebody to video what I'm doing and look for the new elements described in the video. Thanks Mike :)

  • @and10101
    @and10101 4 года назад

    THESE ARE VIDEO TO LEARN KITESURF ! ....and finally fantastic idea to subtitle for who doesn't know english 😁

  • @pallevan1977
    @pallevan1977 4 года назад +1

    Finally! Thx very much.
    Which one give the most soft smooth landing? Front or back heliloop?

  • @thomasvanopstal
    @thomasvanopstal 4 года назад

    Jow Mike sick video again! you are putting a lot of effort in it keep it up! see ya bro

  • @kitingholger9826
    @kitingholger9826 4 года назад

    Great! Thanks for this! Will check out your clinics

  • @dainebatchelor9382
    @dainebatchelor9382 3 года назад

    Sick video man! Ive had my helis down for ages but never had perfected the doubles on those real big jumps. Ill try parking it after the first heli next time and hopefully nail it. Cheers mate. PS we get a solid seabreeze in perth, WA from november onwards. If you havnt already should book a trip. Theres some killer spots!

  • @phillarcher8104
    @phillarcher8104 4 года назад

    Sick video mickey ;p I m impressed I. The edit. And it strue that it was quite an obscure concept so thanks for breaking it down;p

  • @hakanaugustsen8102
    @hakanaugustsen8102 4 года назад

    Grate video, finally all kite piloting explained for heliloop. Would have needed to watch this one before my Cape Town visit😁

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад

      Thanks! A little bit late in season hey 😁

  • @madsteeez
    @madsteeez 2 года назад

    I've finally got this yesterday in Sankt Peter Ording 🙏. I've been doing pretty high jumps for a while where I was swinging far under the kite and had to bring it back before landing. I wasn't aware I could just keep turning the kite in one direction and looping it instead of flying those aggressive s manouvers I got used to..

  • @davidmanion5369
    @davidmanion5369 4 года назад

    Great vid m8 thanks 👍

  • @marcusfrick9575
    @marcusfrick9575 4 года назад

    Great video🤙

  • @daneom5365
    @daneom5365 4 года назад +1

    Finally a good Heli Loop video!!! Awe

  • @Roepstek
    @Roepstek 3 года назад +1

    Mike! great vid, keep it up! Is it possible to explain in a video the way to trim you kite for pulling loops?

  • @michelgoulet7538
    @michelgoulet7538 4 года назад +1

    Very much instructive vid Mike! It reflects your passion for the sport and teaching. Suggestion; show tips on ways to proper move or orientate the body while up there. very little vid out there on this. cheers!

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад

      Thanks Michel! Orientating your body to the pull entails opposing the force the kite is generating. So when the loop pulls in one direction, your body needs to pull in the other direction to remain balanced :D Thanks for watching!!!

  • @herbertvuijk8
    @herbertvuijk8 4 года назад +2

    Nice Mike! Heli loops are awesome. Getting 8-11 seconds airtime sometimes now on jumps, even jumps around 10-15 meters are now sick. Getting lifted up a bit by a heliloop is the best feeling, especially when you than land it with 1-3G. Nice and clear vid! I will try the tip on letting go of the bar a bit to swing faster underneath :)

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад

      Yeah I love being up there as long as possible :D Let me know how it goes!

  • @kitingkai
    @kitingkai 2 года назад

    Good example Mike ✌🏼

  • @filipimarcondes9986
    @filipimarcondes9986 4 года назад

    Cool mate

  • @thomasderidder5741
    @thomasderidder5741 4 года назад

    Really usefull! Gonna work on them tomorrow🚀🏄🏽‍♂️

  • @ktkktlzubi
    @ktkktlzubi 4 года назад

    thx for the great video.. exactly where I am right now, I am looping the kite like crazy recently, just trial and error type. It’s much more technical as shown in the video.. all depends where u are in relation to the kite.. its not just only.. committing to it 🤙👍😎Thx again

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад

      You've got it Zarko! *all depends where u are in relation to the kite* Let me know how it goes :D

  • @RalphMelis
    @RalphMelis 4 года назад

    Mike! Landed my first heliloop jump today in Dubai after watching your video. Just gave me that little bit of extra confidence :D

  • @mathias2410
    @mathias2410 3 года назад +1

    Can relate completely. Jumping high and no idea how to land safely first 3 years😀

  • @FlyingFlo1
    @FlyingFlo1 4 года назад +1

    Yeah, Mike, Amazing Video!
    Great Footage, well-demonstrating graphics and, of course, absolutely incredible sound-effects! Yieeewwww!
    Thanks again for giving me that board a few days ago. Keep up the good work!
    Cheers,
    Flo
    P.S. Some Katarina was watching me on the beach and asked for coaching. I gave her your contact info, hope she reached out!

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад +1

      Bru, thanks for sharing my details! You're shredding. Sick to watch you ride 😬🤘

  • @as_the_dodo_do
    @as_the_dodo_do 4 года назад

    What a legend!

  • @kieransammon666
    @kieransammon666 4 года назад

    NEEEAWW🤙 🚁

  • @Mac83Gyver
    @Mac83Gyver 4 года назад

    Hi Mike, I really like your tutorials (the intro too)! Anyways - the only question I have left is, why would you do a heli loop with the back hand (beeing way more difficult..)?
    Only if you want to cover more horizontal distance or if you did a steering mistake during the jump (where the front hand wouldnt work anymore)?
    Cheers :)

  • @joshperry9468
    @joshperry9468 2 года назад

    "Make some eggs" - classic. Loved this bru, thanks!

  • @sjowett777
    @sjowett777 4 года назад

    Hi Mike awesome vid! What settings do you run on your XR6,s and line length for going big ?

  • @sergiimas2365
    @sergiimas2365 4 года назад

    Great job!
    Is there a difference of heli looping XR vs GTS? I feel like GTS do not hurry to go backside so it needs more time to get into a start position for heli loop or I do something wrong. Please do a video how to take off from a wave stable and DO NOT start rotating - it is the scariest part for many ;)

  • @ryanvdmerwe
    @ryanvdmerwe 4 года назад

    Hey man. Great video. I've been trying to learn the heli loop this season without much success. Your video is the best one out there and offers tips that others seem to have gotten wrong. Gonna give it a bash. Would love some personal coaching but the Rand vs USD is a not kind to us 😁

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад +1

      Thanks Ryan! Start out on a lighter day and make sure it's going upwind of you. Let me know how it goes :D

  • @SteveHofsaess
    @SteveHofsaess 4 года назад

    Mike, you are the man,,, When jumping , some people move the kite to 11 or 1 and then pull the bar,,, other kiters pull in the bar first and then mover the kite to 11 or 1,, How does the highest jumper in the world do it?

  • @glennheijnen4845
    @glennheijnen4845 4 года назад

    Yeeaaah very good instructions bro! I'm going to contact you for some lessons this year! Whhooppp!!

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад

      Yewwww thanks bro! Looking forward to it! 😬🤘

  • @andrewclayton6394
    @andrewclayton6394 11 месяцев назад

    Hey Mike can u do a video on how to do a massive jump start off the beach?

  • @upwindstockholm961
    @upwindstockholm961 2 года назад

    My mission this season to learn proper heli loops! :)

  • @mrkakbuhn5781
    @mrkakbuhn5781 3 года назад

    After all these years this manouver with a foilkite still scares me. Its just somewhere back in my head, that looping this kind of kite will send me to the moon 😂

  • @hughward2257
    @hughward2257 4 года назад

    Going to be in Tarrifa at the same time as you! Fingers crossed for some wind to hit the offshore spot!!!

  • @pandelisbouboukas8964
    @pandelisbouboukas8964 4 года назад

    youre the fooooking best! thanks bro :)

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад +1

      Glad it helped bro :D

    • @pandelisbouboukas8964
      @pandelisbouboukas8964 4 года назад

      Get High with Mike - Advanced Kitesurf Coaching starting to do my first kiteloops these days in Greece! Getting massive hits on the water (probably looping too soon). would be great to have a video about how to start these as well step by step, though I hope I will have learned by the time it comes out!!
      Big ups mate keep it up the awesome videos!!! :)

  • @windjunky
    @windjunky 4 года назад

    NEEEOOOOWWW!!!!

  • @robb1708
    @robb1708 3 года назад +1

    Hi mike, nice video!!
    what kite is easier to learn megaloops? Gts 9m or Xr 9m? And what line lenght? Greez

  • @netopantoja8988
    @netopantoja8988 3 года назад +1

    O Brasil é um celeiro do kitesurfista

  • @508Sunny
    @508Sunny 4 года назад

    Hey Mike! Awesome tutorial thanks so much!

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад +1

      You're welcome bro! Digging your CD 🤘🤘

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад +1

      And thank you!

    • @508Sunny
      @508Sunny 4 года назад

      @@gethighwithmike ORIGINAL SURF ROCK!!!!!!!!! BLAST IT!

  • @fraboat
    @fraboat 2 года назад

    Dude...ur f..ING amazing...I'd love to spend 1week with u ...UR A DREAMCOACH

  • @manzanaudiovisual
    @manzanaudiovisual 3 года назад

    Hi Mike, I'm writing from Chile.
    I would like to be more clear about the heli loop, the position of the hands, when to throw it and the directions. I can only do it in high jump or in mediums equal to 4 or 5 meters. I am confused a little the hand that I have to throw.
    can you guide me more

  • @ABESuperKiteDay
    @ABESuperKiteDay 4 года назад

    NeeeaaaaawwWWW 😎👍🚁

    • @ABESuperKiteDay
      @ABESuperKiteDay 4 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/6mCQuzvL2hQ/видео.html here is one of my latest heli loops on a 18m foil kite NeyaaaaawwwWWW

  • @petervandewalle9803
    @petervandewalle9803 4 года назад

    Hey Mike, i be heading to cape town in a cpl days, are you stil there and doing a day clinic or 2 days with a beginner?

  • @jono5358
    @jono5358 2 года назад

    I dig motor sound affects - "neeraw"

  • @uw7491
    @uw7491 4 года назад

    Great video! Thanks!! Any plans to come to the east coast/Boston anytime soon? Personally I work on my board offs so keen to get some tips form a pro like you!

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад

      Thanks so much! Maybe in 2021. I've seen some sick videos in Pleasure Bay! But please join another clinic like the ones in Brazil if you get a chance!

  • @s0235857
    @s0235857 4 года назад

    Gonna be my kite mission for 2020

  • @Ragnaroc25
    @Ragnaroc25 Год назад

    Thanks Mike for this fantastic video. Do you look at the kite when helilooping or the line feeling tells you more or less where is the kite ? Or both maybe ? In my case I pull the heliloop focusing on either the surface of water to land but sketchy on the loop of the kite or focusing on the kite but crash the landing... I guess a bit more practise will fix it .

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  Год назад

      Thanks Vincent! When I was starting out I looked at the kite to make sure it was upwind of me but with enough repetition it becomes second-nature 🚀

  • @jimmyjames1411
    @jimmyjames1411 2 года назад

    is there a minimum height to do a heli loop? Can I do it at 15' or 5m?

  • @louishugue999
    @louishugue999 3 года назад

    so If I understand well you jump, wait for it to feel like he is going upwind and then do a loop ?

  • @joshparry2867
    @joshparry2867 2 года назад

    Thanks for the tip bro like always 👍 fuck yeah

  • @mausebiker123
    @mausebiker123 4 года назад

    I wish I did know this today and yesterday!

    • @mausebiker123
      @mausebiker123 4 года назад

      Mike, awesome video. Can you tell something more about body position?

    • @Materazzi23
      @Materazzi23 4 года назад

      niauwwww

  • @SammyC27
    @SammyC27 Год назад

    3:10 how do you loop 'in the direction you came'? wouldn't that be pulling on the back of the bar, i.e. not a front hand loop. so confused

  • @arnaudlemeur1223
    @arnaudlemeur1223 4 года назад

    Awesome video mate. I could not get proper explainations from friends on why my downloops are wrong, now I know ! Question on the landing: in terms of body position and ease, do you recommend landing the same way of jump, or using kite movement to transition ? Cheers !

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад

      Thanks Arnaud! I recommend landing with whichever foot feels most comfortable forward, regardless of loop direction. Both will work

  • @roadnkite
    @roadnkite 4 года назад

    Gniiiiiioooaaaan.

  • @farazfiroozabadi
    @farazfiroozabadi 4 года назад

    Mike how do you make that Meeeaw 😺sound ?!😬😂👍👍

  • @netopantoja8988
    @netopantoja8988 3 года назад +1

    Coloca essa legenda em português

  • @keaninwelgemoed2966
    @keaninwelgemoed2966 4 года назад

    Howzit bru, do you charge a local rate in cape town for someone who stays here for lessons or is your 240$ per lesson thing for everyone?

  • @vinifons
    @vinifons 4 года назад

    Another sick tutorial! Nyeeeew!

  • @tomschuelke7955
    @tomschuelke7955 4 года назад

    Well this is defnitely on my ... have to learn ... list.. just last Oktober i tried my first landing loops.. so ill go on with your tutorial in my head..
    but befor .. i still have to learn how to get a bit more hight.. because usualy i dont get above 5 m..
    so a tutorial on how to improve hight. would be welcome.. i also would like to know if a smaler bord would make higher jumps in stronger winds easier...

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад

      I'll add that to the list! I always ride either 137 or 135 and I'm 177cm. I have found 133cm to be too small. Also I wouldn't recommend going 137+ for someone my size and weight

    • @tomschuelke7955
      @tomschuelke7955 4 года назад

      @@gethighwithmike Hi MIke, Well i am also exacly 1.77m.. but. well my 51 year old belly... makes up to 82 Kilo.. arrrggghh..
      So maybe my 152 isnt that bad. But i sure will try to rent a 136m... to try out in stronger wind.

  • @robboerman9378
    @robboerman9378 4 года назад +1

    Step 1: JUST F*ING SEND IT
    😂💪💪 awesome tutorial, thanks

  • @rabokel
    @rabokel 4 года назад

    Great video !What is the cool beat during the intro?

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад

      Thanks so much! 😝 Send me an email and I'll let you know there #tradesecrets

  • @martinbredici5405
    @martinbredici5405 4 года назад +1

    Awsome video! Question! If i jump right, and mi kite is at 1 oclok it`s easier to do a front hand right? And if i sent it to 11 it`s better to do a back hand?

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад +1

      If you jump right and your kite is at 1 o clock (on the right) you'd need to do a back hand loop :)
      Think of it this way: you need to loop with the opposite hand to the side your kite is on when you're descending

  • @sakertz
    @sakertz 3 года назад

    nyeooooooooouu

  • @luispineres3212
    @luispineres3212 Год назад

    Ly

  • @B23Shiky
    @B23Shiky 4 года назад

    First step of a back hand heli loop is to JUST FUUUUUCKING SEND IT!!! Haha love it!😂😂😂😂

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад +1

      Haha bru, check this shirt out: bigairkite.com/collections/merch/products/just-send-it-premium-tee

  • @Witjes
    @Witjes 4 года назад

    When will you be showing high rotations or kiteloop with rotations? would be awesome

  • @Caleres
    @Caleres 11 месяцев назад

    Lmao “Go cook yourself some eggs while you wait for me to land” 2:04
    Humble brag

  • @AndrewPattullo
    @AndrewPattullo 2 года назад

    Been kitesurfing 13yrs... can jump .. but cant loop ffs... i get cant tell whats up and down.. last timei tried i was 20ft up and kite was sat on the water! ... Ouch !

  • @sagelourenco5398
    @sagelourenco5398 4 года назад

    Board off lesson please

  • @timoboersema7484
    @timoboersema7484 4 года назад +1

    Can you make a vid frim how to jump over broken waves I always lose my speed while riding to a kicker

    • @keaninwelgemoed2966
      @keaninwelgemoed2966 4 года назад

      Find yourself a flat water spot and teach yourself to jump there, once you got flat water jumping down its the same as jumping over broken waves :)

    • @mrmonkeboy
      @mrmonkeboy 4 года назад

      ollie over them, park the kite at 2 o clock, zoom at white water, ollie and sheet in a bit, sheet out, land and edge like fuck. If you move the kite you lose speed. Now try with the kite at 3 o clock - more speeeeeeeed!!

  • @adrianmaurer6491
    @adrianmaurer6491 4 года назад

    hey mike, do you use the standard connection points on the xr6? what length of line do you fly?

    • @gethighwithmike
      @gethighwithmike  4 года назад +1

      Hey Adrian! Yeah I use standard. 22m lines on 9 and smaller. 24 on 11m and bigger. Still undecided about the 10m 😝

  • @hugowigglesworth
    @hugowigglesworth 4 года назад

    Tell us how to do a boogie loop

  • @outm6900
    @outm6900 4 года назад +1

    Legendary video. I will cook some eggs while you land, Mike.

  • @madsteeez
    @madsteeez 3 года назад

    Now I understand why I got yanked laterally off my board mid air and ate shit the first time i tried one of those "loops". Didn't even know there are different ones 😅

  • @Sam.constable
    @Sam.constable 2 года назад

    is it normal for my front hand helis to end up as a transition? My technique has become: front hand for transition and back hand for original direction. Is this right? Also, cheers Mike, this is the video that got me to this point safely

    • @6whiteshadows
      @6whiteshadows Год назад

      Yeah! I think it's about your body orientation, but I find that with front hand heli loops it's more natural to land in a transition.