Felix's support alone with dedue says why i dont like "blind obidence" he even calls himself an inanimate object "sword and shield" the same reason i dont like cyril
Honestly the line "why not speak up against how I and so many others feel" is what made me think Ingrid grew as a person. My interpretation of that line is that Ingrid doesn't want people to repeat that same prejudice mentality and their ending card pretty much said their friendship helped ease the tension between Faerghus and Duscur so I honestly don't believe Ingrid is racist. I think she's more of an ally after their supports. If her mentality was "I think all people from duscur are bad except you" I don't think she'd go through the lengths of reconciling Duscur and Faerghus if she hadn't grown. Plus, as Byleth, you pretty much have the control of your units' growth and character depth anyways. I view Ingrid as a grieving person, doesn't excuse her actions, but explains them. She was around 13 when the tragedy happened and she was 17 at the start of the game, so honestly I doubt any normal person could shrug off death of a lover that easily when we literally got best boy Dimitri admitting he killed men, women, and children before from insanity. (((Three Houses is reeaaally morally gray and as much as the units and route of Blue Lions is my absolute favorite, I think Golden Deer is just the very "lightest" gray compared to all houses))))
It even More Tragic That The Argathians Were The Ones Responsible for The Tragedy of Duscar.. The People Of Duscar Were Innocent... Even after end Each Route the People Duscar Never Got Justice for Wrongfully Being massacred... What Will Happen if They were Proven Innocent During The Game.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 LMAO the loptyrian cult DEF manipulated the continent into almost apocalyptic status. Child hunts became common occurance, famine is everywhere, especially in Thracia, and the corrupt royals who didn't act until the Loptyr Cult take over the throne with Arvis finally come out the woodwork and only tax and torture their people.
Beforr watching the video, I expected that their support wouldn't be so sweet since we know Ingrid's feelings toward the Duscur people. But it turned out pretty well at last: they don't get a lovers ending but a close friendship bond which is great because that sounds more realistic and better for the both of them :)
I love how people reply with the "They just have preconceived negative stereotypes" argument when it comes to Hilda's take on Almyrans and Dorothea's hatred towards nobles but somehow it doesn't work with Ingrid's dislike for Duscur.
Honestly, i feel bad for dedue's face in 3:56, i just hope he know how to smile without being forced. Getting prejudice for a long time must've been hard for him.
Ah, the whole racist Ingrid debacle... My take on it? When Ingrid says "But you? You seem nothing like the people of whom I speak" she's referring to what she called on her previous line "people cruel and heartless, deserving of the tragedy that ultimately befell them" and she says it was "punishment well earned", because "she lost someone very dear to her in Duscur" So... Viewing the whole picture... No, Ingrid is not racist, she just let her emotions get the best of her She lost her feyance, and then the people of Duscur where held accountable for the tragedy it isn't farfetched if her anger and feelings turned against them. But now that time has passed, and she gets to meet one of the people she thought deserved punishment, she sees how wrong that is, that "the people of Duscur" aren't who she should hate or resent, but "the people who are culprit for the tragedy" Even she herself calls it "an unfair prejudice" and that Dedue "is not to blame" If that is what a racist people would do (holding a grudge towards a nation cause you were lead to believe they were the culprits from killing someone close to you, but then realizing that generalizing is incorrect by definition), then I don't know what racism is :/ because this doesn't look like it.
People that call her racist don't seem to understand what a racist even is. A racist is someone who judges others for their race, it's literately in the word. Ingrid's feelings towards Dedue was not because of his skin tone or any physical appearance. Had her lover been killed by the empire or the alliance, she might have mistrusted people from those places too.
If Ingrid was indeed racist, I don't think she would have admitted her prejudice was unfair or apologized to Dedue for her cold remarks. I mean, realizing she's prejudiced for an unfair reason makes her better than actual racists.
@@trevorphilips4925 Yeah we cannot truly help it here since 9/11. There will be those who remember and never forget it and blame the whole people as the ones responsible.
"You're different from all the others (whom I still hate)" is not an adequate apology lol. It sucks and is still racist. What would have been much better is "I now realize I shouldn't generalize an entire race, I was blinded by my grief and I'm truly sorry. You deserve better" But. We didnt get that. :/
N C Exept no, that’s all wrong lol. She never said she’s still against the people of Duscar. She is against it at first but gets over it. Stop making shit up.
@@aero235 they way it was put was that she only hates the people responsible for the kings death. She apologized and said how bad the prejudice was, which prejudice affects everyone of that certain thing. I know racism when I see it, I've experienced it many times she learned.
@@lankthedank6931 lmfao she never said shes stop hating all of duscur either. Just dedue. *For all we know*, shes still prejudice against duscur natives that aren't him bc it's never elaborated on what is meant by "the people responsible" bc the narrative never goes into that. She could still blame duscur as a whole if she thinks they're the ones responsible. It's bad writing. Extrapolating from what the game gives us (or doesnt in this case) isn't making shit up. Which leads to another thing; this support is quite possibly the only place where her racism is addressed and it's totally optional. If ingrid's apology is conditional then that's bad writing too
Oh my goodness I love their endingggg I think I’ll still always end up going for Ashe and Dedue’s ending and marrying Ingrid when I pick up the game for another playthrough, but this was so wholesome
The people saying she's somehow not racist are using really narrow interpretations of racism. A racist isn't just someone who constantly and openly uses racial slurs. A racist doesn't have to necessarily hate every single person of a race. But she still immediately hated him based on his race. Ingrid's the "You are a credit to your people (that I hold a blanket negative opinion of)" type of racist. The kind who only makes exceptions for the people she knows, or has gotten something from. This is the BS "I can't be racist, I have a ____ 'friend'/neighbor/coworker'!" racism, as if being in proximity to specific individuals (who may just have to put up with you) counters your attitude towards all of their people. The "You need to prove your worth to me as a human being before I remove my prejudice towards you (and not my prejudice itself)" racism. And at no point in their support chain does she actually change her opinion on his race.
She grew up in a racist environment and became racist herself. Then she met Dedue, the first Duscurian she got close to. Between the C and B supports, she realised that not all Duscurians are bad and that she only hates those who attacked the King. She no longer has a prejudice against Duscurians. The line were she says that Dedue is not like the others doesn't refer to the real Duscurians but to the idea she had of Duscur. She later explain "the people I hate are the ones responsible for that whole mess" = only the criminals, not all Duscurians.
“At no point in their support chain does she actually change her opinion on his race.” This is literally false. Ingrid in her B support straight up says “The ones I hate are the ones responsible for the tragedy, not you specifically.” Admitting that she realizes there are good Duscrians out there.
It's the ending I got in my Blue Lions Route, and I can't explain how much I love it Those support conversations are amazing, Dedue is obviously adorable as always, and Ingrid... Sure, she is flawed but the way she is self-conscious all along amaze me. Even in their first support, she wasn't proud of her behavior and apologize for it... Even if it wasn't really for the correct reason yeah But the way she *really* apologize this time and realize how she was in the wrong in the next support always left me speechless. Some would argue she apologize to Dedue only, and I mean... Somehow yes, because she was harsh to Dedue specifically because of her hate of Duscur as a whole, so she apologize to him specifically for what she said to him that wasn't justified But does that mean she still thinks every other Duscurian are bad person ? No "If you'd just speak to me- *if you'd tell me the truth about all of this* -I do not know the truth of it myself. His Highness says the tragedy was not the fault of my people" That obviously imply that she is aware by now that it was NOT Duscur's fault. That they weren't behind this. I don't remember much of the game right now because it's been years, but it was probably adress at some point in the story. If you add this to everything else she says "You seem nothing like the people of whom I speak" "The people I hate are the one who are responsible for that whole mess" I think it's enough to prove she change her mind and grew-up by now. She understood that Duscurian aren't necessarily bad, and that most of them, if not ALL of them, haven't actually done anything wrong. She grew-up, overcame her misconsception and change her mind, and she's so incredible for this. An other important point to adress though... Some people straight say that "She wasn't/isn't racist". And uh... I disagree. I mean, she understood at the end so she is not racist anymore, but she was at the start. Of course, she lost her loved one in a genocide when she was 13 years old and of course it's traumatizing. And of course, if the one who ended up blamed for it weren't the people of Duscur but the one of anywhere else, she would've hated them all the same. So yeah, her hate it isn't really directed to Duscurian when you take it that way. But, considering she WOULD have hate any other people who could've have been blame for it instead, in other circumstance... Depending of who and where it would've been called differently, but hating a whole communauty/population for a misconception... is pretty much what we call discrimination. (I don't have any better umbrella term for those kind of situation) You can argue she had her reason and honestly she's understandable, it's not easy for a 13-16 y.o kid to deal with what happened to her... But it don't make her less racist. Wait guys I wrote too much for youtube I need a second comment
Discrimination doesn't start from nowhere- well, kind of. I mean, it always takes its roots from... something. And by "something". I mean someone who thought it was a good idea to spread bad rumours about a category of person without any reliable source, only to create a generalized hate over them. And it sucks. (tbh the bastard spreading misunderstanding purposefully is the one to blame first) That's what happened to Duscur, their people were blamed for something they haven't done and it lead to them being discriminate. And though people couldn't know, and to quote Dedue "their hate were justified" (wrongly justified, but justified, unfortunately), well... It was "justified" NOW, but admitting no one fix the misunderstanding and let the people of Duscur being blamed for years, decades, centuries... Here you go, 500 years later Duscurian would still be hated. But why would they be hated ? Oh, because they... Because... Because..! Most people wouldn't even know why anymore. That's the racism we know now in our society, mostly. One that isn't even "justified" anymore, because that justification never really mattered in the first place. They just needed any reason they could find to create hate and conflict. And if they can't find a reason, they will invent one. So yeah. Ingrid was still racist. Not in the way most people are now, because whatever the reason that started this mess in the first place was lost since long ago, but it doesn't make it something different. The only difference between Ingrid and intolerant people we know now is that *she* was hurt. *They* are nothing but close-minded idiot stuck in hate and resent without even knowing why. That makes them quite ridiculous. Sorry if my english is bad or if I poorly phrased something. I hope nothing I wrote seems offending, since it was far from my goal. So uh... Thanks for reading and have a nice day, I guess
I honestly don't think I would have an A support with Ingrid, was I one of the characters. She is just too by the book and just too Knightly. But I like some of her supports, especially with Ashe. But I think she is one of the very few characters that has a better solo ending than a couple ending.
0:58 my grandfather used to always tell me shit like that. Back in his time how ever. Anyways I thought she was racist but I didn’t know she didn’t hear what Dimitri said about “ they were not men of duscar” etc etc after a while I went from not liking her to likable to her. She’s a respectable person after a while. Anyway yea ngl shit she still came off racist to me and when I was playing this and my grandfather was in the room...... don’t come in with the triggered replies.
Honestly those who say Ingrid was racist doesn't even seem to know what a racist is. Her distrust of Dedue was not because of his skin tone, or the way he talked or any physical appearance. It's just she had a hard time trusting people from Duscar since her lover was killed by them, not because she felt they were animals and inferior to people like herself. Had her lover been killed by people from the Empire or Alliance, she more than likely would've had a hard time trusting people from those places too. Having said that though, demonizing an entire people due to the actions of a few is still wrong and she was being very unfair for that. But as we saw in these supports, she realized she was in the wrong and need to make up for it. If you want to see a better example of a racist character in Fire Emblem, then you don't need to look any further than Jill from Path of Radiance, she was pretty much raised to be racist.
@@blues4509 I wouldnt doubt it. A lot of pair up endings (especially the "lesbian" or "gay" ones, unless it explicitly has a character who has same sex s ranks, but even thats not a reliable rule), say they were "close friends", but its pretty easy to tell that its much deeper than the description says.
SPOILERS. During the tragedy of Duscur, Ingrid lost her fiancé, Glenn(Felix's older brother). That's why one of her dislikes is the people of Duscur. And therefore the reason why Ingrid doesn't really talk good to Dedue.
I wonder why Ingrid dislikes the people of duscur? Is that how people is calling her racist? Felix’s brother died at duscur when Ingrid was 13, but in the C Support she doesn’t seem to get along with Dedue but in B-A Things change
When the meme started everyone started taking it too seriously and then of course Claude's VA started calling her racist, now they hate her??? I mean Hilda is also pretty racist, not to mention Oboro and literally 80% of the Hoshidian cast
She hates them because like many others believe, the people of Duscur were behind the tragedy of Duscur, the regicide on the King and his closest friends and allies. However it were the Agarthans, who caused it to happen and they framed the People of Duscur for it.
Ingrid in the first part of the game: Don't dare to speak to me, you N-! Ingrid in the second part of the game: I am poor, I ran away from my family and now everyone rejects me, I have learned my lesson, will you marry me?
@@162krptonite Honestly that's what really upsets me about the Verdant Wind route it's good but it could have been as great as Azure Moon if when Claude actually outright reveals he is the Almyran Prince (which he never outright says and i hate it) that people actually question him and even to an extent turn on him, which proves his point about racism And yeah Hilda's pretty prejudice towards Almyrans and she should doubt Claude but never leave him because retainer and stuff, and maybe Edelgard could have taken advantage of the turmoil in the Alliance or something, idk maybe I should do a rewrite video I love Claude and his route, I do, I loved that we invaded Area 17, but his route is not as great as my boy Dimitri's and I'm gonna be really sour if Edelgard's route feels more like Verdant Wind than Azure Moon
@@asherville7163 Oh as a Black Eagle, I can guarantee that Crimson Flower is the most radically different route in the game for obvious reasons, it's Silver Snow that's similar to Verdant Wind
@@162krptonite I didn't mean the route in general I meant Edelgard's development as a character, I don't expect it to be as great as Dimitri but I do expect it to be more than Claude who was still vague as hell about who he really was
Coming to this support i hate how people know Ingrid as Racist despite not reading the full support one idiot i even knew said it was funny when Ingrid was being mean to him :( i wouldn't wanna find any mistreatment funny i know at the end of the day it's a game wanted to just say that Dedue is great these supports developed well
Is Ingrid a wonderful character that is growing? Yes. Is she racist? Also yes. She's making baby steps but I'm not about to coo over a white girl making baby steps.
I swear, people who accuse Ingrid of being a racist has no idea what a racist even is. A racist, like the word clearly states, is someone who dislikes people based on their race, but that was not Ingrid's problem at all. Her distrust of Dedue had Nothing to do with his skin color, she was distrustful of him because he came from Duscur, a people who killed the man she loved and destroyed her best chance for a happy life. Yes, judging a whole people due to the actions of a few is still really horrible, but it has nothing to do with racism. Had her fiance been killed by people from the Empire or the Alliance, she likely would've been distrustful of people from those regions too. Calling her a racist is completely unsupported, since there is not a single other moment where we see her being hostile towards someone due to how they look or how they talk. People only call her racist because Dedue just happened to be black, had he been white, then people wouldn't say anything. If you want a good example of racism within Fire Emblem, look no further than Shinon and Jill. Shinon is openly racist towards anyone who isn't human, and Jill was pretty much raised to be a racist.
@@venomrulesall "A racist is someone who dislikes someone based on their race" You answered your own question. She *was* racist. Her reasons were empathetic but the result was the same. Lmao.
@@obara7366 She was never racist! She didn't mistrust Dedue because of his skin color or the way he spoke, it was because of where he was from, and black people doesn't come from only one place, they come from all over the world. Racist people judge other based on how they look, mainly their skin color, like how black people and Asians have been victims of rasism for decades. Had she said these things to a white man, people wouldn't be calling her racist... Then again, given how the SJW world works, if he was white, people would just call her sexist instead, despite the mountain of evidence that proves she isn't. So maybe I should say, if she had said those things to a white Woman, then people would have no leg to stand on. Ingrid is a prime example of a character getting an undeserved reputation due to memes on the internet who over exaggerate every single detail and make them look like serious offence.
@@venomrulesall it is extremely reductive to say race is only about skin colour. I can have the exact same skin colour as someone who is Indian or Pakistani but I am African. Ingrid is racist towards Duscurian people. I love Ingrid but the writers did a poor job of communicating her growth. Well, Japanese have never been good with race sensitivity in general in their media. Duscur is a race of people, they are wholly distinct from the Almyrans in the game. You are being absolutely pedantic (while still being wrong) and are trying to use the specificity of words to shade the fact that Ingrid was still abigot. Fine, even if we don't use the word racist (also American black people can still be racist to Africans, buddy) she was still a prejudiced bigot. She WAS.
@@obara7366 Like I explained, Ingrid's problem with Dedue had NOTHING to do with his race. But the region he was from. She didn't act this way because she believed she was racial superior to him. Had her fiance been killed by any other person from any other region, regardless of their race, she would've acted the same. She wasn't racist, she was unfairly judging the people of a region due to the actions of a few. Which is still horrible, but it's not racism, it's ignorance brought on grief. Like how many people hate crocodiles and sharks because they've lost loved ones to them, believing they are evil monsters, even though they are not. Racist people are those who believe that people from different races are inferior to them, like how black people were treated like slaves because of ignorant white people who believed themselves superior based on skin color or other traits. I am not saying Ingrid was right in her treatment of Dedue and I honestly wish he had snapped at her and called her out on how unfair she was being, since he had nothing to do with what happened. I know I would snap if someone bad mouthed me for something I had nothing to do with. But people who call her racist is Wrong. She is not racist, she is just letting her past grief blind her. Ignorance is not racism, and given how quickly she began trusting Dedue further proves it, since a racist wouldn't just change their mind so easily. And she has never judged anyone based on their race in any other support.
guys its not racist if she just was prejudiced against a group of people from a specific region based off of her own experiences!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /s :v
Te vi el otro dia agradeciendole a un profe en un video de física xD In any way, yeah, she hates people of duscur because she thinks they killed Glenn, but at the end of the day she was still being mad someone who didn't have the fault for what his people supposedly did, but at least she learns she's wrong
@@katharsis101- Gotta remember that Ingrid was also a teenager. It might be well into adulthood for the Japanese, but her worldview would still be very simple. I was pretty racist when I was younger, too; and nobody killed my fiancé. It takes meeting people and seeing things to show you the error of your ways. But most importantly, as the game shows, it takes kindness and an open mind to pry open that oyster.
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I don't know how anyone can hate Dedue.
He's literally a lovable human mountain.
Felix's support alone with dedue says why i dont like "blind obidence" he even calls himself an inanimate object "sword and shield" the same reason i dont like cyril
Dedue’s maturity level thooooo that’s inspiring as hecc
Honestly, their ending fits for them. Even despite her initial attitude towards best boy.. They are fit to be Dimitri's bodyguards
OmegaYordle heck no
@@goemon9118 yes nigga
i'd say ingrid had prejudice toward the people of duscur due to her trauma but dedue helped her move past that.
Honestly the line "why not speak up against how I and so many others feel" is what made me think Ingrid grew as a person. My interpretation of that line is that Ingrid doesn't want people to repeat that same prejudice mentality and their ending card pretty much said their friendship helped ease the tension between Faerghus and Duscur so I honestly don't believe Ingrid is racist. I think she's more of an ally after their supports. If her mentality was "I think all people from duscur are bad except you" I don't think she'd go through the lengths of reconciling Duscur and Faerghus if she hadn't grown. Plus, as Byleth, you pretty much have the control of your units' growth and character depth anyways.
I view Ingrid as a grieving person, doesn't excuse her actions, but explains them. She was around 13 when the tragedy happened and she was 17 at the start of the game, so honestly I doubt any normal person could shrug off death of a lover that easily when we literally got best boy Dimitri admitting he killed men, women, and children before from insanity. (((Three Houses is reeaaally morally gray and as much as the units and route of Blue Lions is my absolute favorite, I think Golden Deer is just the very "lightest" gray compared to all houses))))
Bruh their character development is amazing in these supports.
Love the line delivery on 4:11
Brittany Cox is HILARIOUS!!!😂
Ingrid and Dedue literally ended racism, damn.
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Claude can fuck right off Ingrid and Dimitri are the true anti-racist queens we need. Plus Claude's best friend is kind of a racist so :|
Not as much Claude and Byleth 💛!
@@prowolf633 they literally slaughtered a race + claude's bestie is a racist
I love how it teach a life lesson. And that is: "You should never judge someone before getting to know them".
It even More Tragic That The Argathians Were The Ones Responsible for The Tragedy of Duscar.. The People Of Duscar Were Innocent... Even after end Each Route the People Duscar Never Got Justice for Wrongfully Being massacred... What Will Happen if They were Proven Innocent During The Game.
Yeah, fuck Agartha. Man, they might be the most evil faction in the entire franchise.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138
Loptyrian Cult: Hold my child
@@dandelion40k87 They never started a war that turned the Continent into a wasteland.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 ok...
Also, Yukari is my spirit animal.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 LMAO the loptyrian cult DEF manipulated the continent into almost apocalyptic status. Child hunts became common occurance, famine is everywhere, especially in Thracia, and the corrupt royals who didn't act until the Loptyr Cult take over the throne with Arvis finally come out the woodwork and only tax and torture their people.
Beforr watching the video, I expected that their support wouldn't be so sweet since we know Ingrid's feelings toward the Duscur people. But it turned out pretty well at last: they don't get a lovers ending but a close friendship bond which is great because that sounds more realistic and better for the both of them :)
I love how people reply with the "They just have preconceived negative stereotypes" argument when it comes to Hilda's take on Almyrans and Dorothea's hatred towards nobles but somehow it doesn't work with Ingrid's dislike for Duscur.
And you even had to show Sylvain’s solo ending
lol oh no.
I'M GONNA SAY THE D WORD
YOUR HIGHNESS GET DOWN
DON'T SAY THE D WORD OR WE'LL OPEN FIRE!!
Lucario Pokemon Duscur
Lucario Pokemon Dedue
@@monsoon1303 OPEN FIRE!!!!
She is self aware and so is he.
Are you injured? *pause* No. *pause* Good. *pause* bruh that's so damn awkward
Jokechi I know, I wish the dialogue would be faster while it’s on auto-scroll.
Aidan Monner But it’s not just with these support conversations. 90% of the support conversations in the game have this problem
This game does that a lot
you would be too if you were a 36 years old at 18.
@Aidan Monner The thing is, anytime AA is on when someone only says a few words, it always takes a while before it moves on to the next line.
Honestly, i feel bad for dedue's face in 3:56, i just hope he know how to smile without being forced. Getting prejudice for a long time must've been hard for him.
he got that dreamworks smile
Glad im not alone as soon as i started the A support a big wave of the big sad hit me seeing Dedue like that
Ah, the whole racist Ingrid debacle...
My take on it? When Ingrid says "But you? You seem nothing like the people of whom I speak"
she's referring to what she called on her previous line "people cruel and heartless, deserving of the tragedy that ultimately befell them"
and she says it was "punishment well earned", because "she lost someone very dear to her in Duscur"
So... Viewing the whole picture...
No, Ingrid is not racist, she just let her emotions get the best of her
She lost her feyance, and then the people of Duscur where held accountable for the tragedy
it isn't farfetched if her anger and feelings turned against them.
But now that time has passed, and she gets to meet one of the people she thought deserved punishment, she sees how wrong that is, that "the people of Duscur" aren't who she should hate or resent, but "the people who are culprit for the tragedy"
Even she herself calls it "an unfair prejudice" and that Dedue "is not to blame"
If that is what a racist people would do (holding a grudge towards a nation cause you were lead to believe they were the culprits from killing someone close to you, but then realizing that generalizing is incorrect by definition), then I don't know what racism is :/ because this doesn't look like it.
People that call her racist don't seem to understand what a racist even is. A racist is someone who judges others for their race, it's literately in the word. Ingrid's feelings towards Dedue was not because of his skin tone or any physical appearance. Had her lover been killed by the empire or the alliance, she might have mistrusted people from those places too.
sounds like america towards muslims
If Ingrid was indeed racist, I don't think she would have admitted her prejudice was unfair or apologized to Dedue for her cold remarks. I mean, realizing she's prejudiced for an unfair reason makes her better than actual racists.
@@trevorphilips4925 Yeah we cannot truly help it here since 9/11. There will be those who remember and never forget it and blame the whole people as the ones responsible.
I agree everything you say here except for your spelling of fiance
I... feyance? No, please...
I swear everyone calling Ingrid “racist” haven’t even seen these supports.
"You're different from all the others (whom I still hate)" is not an adequate apology lol. It sucks and is still racist. What would have been much better is "I now realize I shouldn't generalize an entire race, I was blinded by my grief and I'm truly sorry. You deserve better" But. We didnt get that. :/
N C Exept no, that’s all wrong lol. She never said she’s still against the people of Duscar. She is against it at first but gets over it. Stop making shit up.
@@aero235 they way it was put was that she only hates the people responsible for the kings death. She apologized and said how bad the prejudice was, which prejudice affects everyone of that certain thing. I know racism when I see it, I've experienced it many times she learned.
@@lankthedank6931 lmfao she never said shes stop hating all of duscur either. Just dedue. *For all we know*, shes still prejudice against duscur natives that aren't him bc it's never elaborated on what is meant by "the people responsible" bc the narrative never goes into that. She could still blame duscur as a whole if she thinks they're the ones responsible. It's bad writing. Extrapolating from what the game gives us (or doesnt in this case) isn't making shit up.
Which leads to another thing; this support is quite possibly the only place where her racism is addressed and it's totally optional. If ingrid's apology is conditional then that's bad writing too
N C She says she’s against whoever is responsible for the killing. Not Duscar specifically. Please stop overlooking things.
Takumi would be proud of those first 30 seconds
that a support is a lot sweeter than I expected, I wish more supports showed dedue's adorkable side
People say Ingrid is a racist but put into context that her fiancè died in the tragedy of duscur and how it's people are blamed.
I love how he says "personality?" at 5:27 like, what, I got one? XD
Oh my goodness I love their endingggg I think I’ll still always end up going for Ashe and Dedue’s ending and marrying Ingrid when I pick up the game for another playthrough, but this was so wholesome
4:11 Ingrid’s “whaaat” was just hilarious!😂
The people saying she's somehow not racist are using really narrow interpretations of racism. A racist isn't just someone who constantly and openly uses racial slurs. A racist doesn't have to necessarily hate every single person of a race.
But she still immediately hated him based on his race. Ingrid's the "You are a credit to your people (that I hold a blanket negative opinion of)" type of racist. The kind who only makes exceptions for the people she knows, or has gotten something from. This is the BS "I can't be racist, I have a ____ 'friend'/neighbor/coworker'!" racism, as if being in proximity to specific individuals (who may just have to put up with you) counters your attitude towards all of their people. The "You need to prove your worth to me as a human being before I remove my prejudice towards you (and not my prejudice itself)" racism.
And at no point in their support chain does she actually change her opinion on his race.
She grew up in a racist environment and became racist herself. Then she met Dedue, the first Duscurian she got close to. Between the C and B supports, she realised that not all Duscurians are bad and that she only hates those who attacked the King. She no longer has a prejudice against Duscurians.
The line were she says that Dedue is not like the others doesn't refer to the real Duscurians but to the idea she had of Duscur. She later explain "the people I hate are the ones responsible for that whole mess" = only the criminals, not all Duscurians.
“At no point in their support chain does she actually change her opinion on his race.” This is literally false. Ingrid in her B support straight up
says “The ones I hate are the ones responsible for the tragedy, not you specifically.” Admitting that she realizes there are good Duscrians out there.
I was watching this in 2x because fe text is really slow, but “I made a village child cry” is funny asf.
Same, and yES-
In other words, Racism CEO herself ended up shutting down racism
No I don't think she was racist
@@assiaelmabrouki5552 Well she was, so you'd be wrong. She literally pre-judged and hated someone based on their race, until he did enough for her.
It's the ending I got in my Blue Lions Route, and I can't explain how much I love it
Those support conversations are amazing, Dedue is obviously adorable as always, and Ingrid...
Sure, she is flawed but the way she is self-conscious all along amaze me.
Even in their first support, she wasn't proud of her behavior and apologize for it... Even if it wasn't really for the correct reason yeah
But the way she *really* apologize this time and realize how she was in the wrong in the next support always left me speechless.
Some would argue she apologize to Dedue only, and I mean... Somehow yes, because she was harsh to Dedue specifically because of her hate of Duscur as a whole, so she apologize to him specifically for what she said to him that wasn't justified
But does that mean she still thinks every other Duscurian are bad person ? No
"If you'd just speak to me- *if you'd tell me the truth about all of this*
-I do not know the truth of it myself. His Highness says the tragedy was not the fault of my people"
That obviously imply that she is aware by now that it was NOT Duscur's fault. That they weren't behind this. I don't remember much of the game right now because it's been years, but it was probably adress at some point in the story.
If you add this to everything else she says
"You seem nothing like the people of whom I speak"
"The people I hate are the one who are responsible for that whole mess"
I think it's enough to prove she change her mind and grew-up by now. She understood that Duscurian aren't necessarily bad, and that most of them, if not ALL of them, haven't actually done anything wrong.
She grew-up, overcame her misconsception and change her mind, and she's so incredible for this.
An other important point to adress though... Some people straight say that "She wasn't/isn't racist". And uh... I disagree.
I mean, she understood at the end so she is not racist anymore, but she was at the start.
Of course, she lost her loved one in a genocide when she was 13 years old and of course it's traumatizing.
And of course, if the one who ended up blamed for it weren't the people of Duscur but the one of anywhere else, she would've hated them all the same. So yeah, her hate it isn't really directed to Duscurian when you take it that way.
But, considering she WOULD have hate any other people who could've have been blame for it instead, in other circumstance... Depending of who and where it would've been called differently, but hating a whole communauty/population for a misconception... is pretty much what we call discrimination. (I don't have any better umbrella term for those kind of situation)
You can argue she had her reason and honestly she's understandable, it's not easy for a 13-16 y.o kid to deal with what happened to her... But it don't make her less racist.
Wait guys I wrote too much for youtube I need a second comment
Discrimination doesn't start from nowhere- well, kind of. I mean, it always takes its roots from... something. And by "something". I mean someone who thought it was a good idea to spread bad rumours about a category of person without any reliable source, only to create a generalized hate over them. And it sucks. (tbh the bastard spreading misunderstanding purposefully is the one to blame first)
That's what happened to Duscur, their people were blamed for something they haven't done and it lead to them being discriminate. And though people couldn't know, and to quote Dedue "their hate were justified" (wrongly justified, but justified, unfortunately), well... It was "justified" NOW, but admitting no one fix the misunderstanding and let the people of Duscur being blamed for years, decades, centuries... Here you go, 500 years later Duscurian would still be hated.
But why would they be hated ? Oh, because they... Because... Because..!
Most people wouldn't even know why anymore. That's the racism we know now in our society, mostly. One that isn't even "justified" anymore, because that justification never really mattered in the first place. They just needed any reason they could find to create hate and conflict. And if they can't find a reason, they will invent one.
So yeah. Ingrid was still racist. Not in the way most people are now, because whatever the reason that started this mess in the first place was lost since long ago, but it doesn't make it something different.
The only difference between Ingrid and intolerant people we know now is that *she* was hurt. *They* are nothing but close-minded idiot stuck in hate and resent without even knowing why. That makes them quite ridiculous.
Sorry if my english is bad or if I poorly phrased something. I hope nothing I wrote seems offending, since it was far from my goal.
So uh... Thanks for reading and have a nice day, I guess
I honestly don't think I would have an A support with Ingrid, was I one of the characters. She is just too by the book and just too Knightly. But I like some of her supports, especially with Ashe. But I think she is one of the very few characters that has a better solo ending than a couple ending.
D U S C U R D
0:58 my grandfather used to always tell me shit like that. Back in his time how ever. Anyways I thought she was racist but I didn’t know she didn’t hear what Dimitri said about “ they were not men of duscar” etc etc after a while I went from not liking her to likable to her. She’s a respectable person after a while. Anyway yea ngl shit she still came off racist to me and when I was playing this and my grandfather was in the room...... don’t come in with the triggered replies.
Honestly those who say Ingrid was racist doesn't even seem to know what a racist is. Her distrust of Dedue was not because of his skin tone, or the way he talked or any physical appearance. It's just she had a hard time trusting people from Duscar since her lover was killed by them, not because she felt they were animals and inferior to people like herself. Had her lover been killed by people from the Empire or Alliance, she more than likely would've had a hard time trusting people from those places too. Having said that though, demonizing an entire people due to the actions of a few is still wrong and she was being very unfair for that. But as we saw in these supports, she realized she was in the wrong and need to make up for it. If you want to see a better example of a racist character in Fire Emblem, then you don't need to look any further than Jill from Path of Radiance, she was pretty much raised to be racist.
@@venomrulesall her lover wasn’t killed but duscar people but I get what your trying to overall explain .
shotouts to my man sylvain sneaking on their paired ending
Still can't believe people hate on Ingrid for her racism, but no, Hilda is totally fine. :/
Ingrid be like "you're one of the good ones"
"Friendship" pffff I disagree. Idc they're married lol
Blame english translation. :feelbadman:
@@Calcedny oh the Japanese script had them married?
@@blues4509 I wouldnt doubt it. A lot of pair up endings (especially the "lesbian" or "gay" ones, unless it explicitly has a character who has same sex s ranks, but even thats not a reliable rule), say they were "close friends", but its pretty easy to tell that its much deeper than the description says.
SPOILERS.
During the tragedy of Duscur, Ingrid lost her fiancé, Glenn(Felix's older brother). That's why one of her dislikes is the people of Duscur. And therefore the reason why Ingrid doesn't really talk good to Dedue.
That's not a spoiler. That's revealed early on in game.
I wonder why Ingrid dislikes the people of duscur?
Is that how people is calling her racist?
Felix’s brother died at duscur when Ingrid was 13, but in the C Support she doesn’t seem to get along with Dedue but in B-A Things change
When the meme started everyone started taking it too seriously and then of course Claude's VA started calling her racist, now they hate her??? I mean Hilda is also pretty racist, not to mention Oboro and literally 80% of the Hoshidian cast
Tafushi oh I think I read the Hilda and Cyril support conversation and why is Hilda taking about his race?
@@airiin220 yeah
She hates them because like many others believe, the people of Duscur were behind the tragedy of Duscur, the regicide on the King and his closest friends and allies. However it were the Agarthans, who caused it to happen and they framed the People of Duscur for it.
Yuwan oh, that makes sense
Ingrid in the first part of the game: Don't dare to speak to me, you N-!
Ingrid in the second part of the game: I am poor, I ran away from my family and now everyone rejects me, I have learned my lesson, will you marry me?
Ah yes, the CEO of Racism's character development
If Ingrid's the CEO then Hilda is the GOD. :v
@@Yic17Studio true, I don't see many people talking about Hilda's prejudice towards Almyrans.....
@@162krptonite Honestly that's what really upsets me about the Verdant Wind route
it's good but it could have been as great as Azure Moon if when Claude actually outright reveals he is the Almyran Prince (which he never outright says and i hate it) that people actually question him and even to an extent turn on him, which proves his point about racism
And yeah Hilda's pretty prejudice towards Almyrans and she should doubt Claude but never leave him because retainer and stuff, and maybe Edelgard could have taken advantage of the turmoil in the Alliance or something, idk maybe I should do a rewrite video
I love Claude and his route, I do, I loved that we invaded Area 17, but his route is not as great as my boy Dimitri's and I'm gonna be really sour if Edelgard's route feels more like Verdant Wind than Azure Moon
@@asherville7163 Oh as a Black Eagle, I can guarantee that Crimson Flower is the most radically different route in the game for obvious reasons, it's Silver Snow that's similar to Verdant Wind
@@162krptonite I didn't mean the route in general I meant Edelgard's development as a character, I don't expect it to be as great as Dimitri but I do expect it to be more than Claude who was still vague as hell about who he really was
MARRIAGE BELLS. NOW.
Coming to this support i hate how people know Ingrid as Racist despite not reading the full support one idiot i even knew said it was funny when Ingrid was being mean to him :( i wouldn't wanna find any mistreatment funny i know at the end of the day it's a game wanted to just say that Dedue is great these supports developed well
Sooo... not full-on racist, but still a tad bit prejudice???
racism degrades people for who they are, not what they do.
Cool 💕💕💕
Ingrid: you stupid digger
Dedue: bruh
this is not funny by any means and I don’t care if this was a year old comment-this comment is disgusting and you should take it down
@@girisharma7168 lmao
rare footage of Malcolm X having conversation with the KKK's Grand Wizard
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Ingrid 👏🏻 is 👏🏻 not 👏🏻 racist 👏🏻
She has prejudice due to trauma but she’s not racist 😬
xenophobia is the word your looking for
ingrid is racist, you absolute twat lmao. being discriminatory bc of trauma doesn’t make it NOT discrimination.
@@noboy793 Racism is a form of xenophobia/tribalism.
I came here because someone on insta said she’s racist...so...I’m just curious
She’s not lol
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Is Ingrid a wonderful character that is growing? Yes.
Is she racist? Also yes. She's making baby steps but I'm not about to coo over a white girl making baby steps.
I swear, people who accuse Ingrid of being a racist has no idea what a racist even is. A racist, like the word clearly states, is someone who dislikes people based on their race, but that was not Ingrid's problem at all. Her distrust of Dedue had Nothing to do with his skin color, she was distrustful of him because he came from Duscur, a people who killed the man she loved and destroyed her best chance for a happy life. Yes, judging a whole people due to the actions of a few is still really horrible, but it has nothing to do with racism. Had her fiance been killed by people from the Empire or the Alliance, she likely would've been distrustful of people from those regions too. Calling her a racist is completely unsupported, since there is not a single other moment where we see her being hostile towards someone due to how they look or how they talk. People only call her racist because Dedue just happened to be black, had he been white, then people wouldn't say anything.
If you want a good example of racism within Fire Emblem, look no further than Shinon and Jill. Shinon is openly racist towards anyone who isn't human, and Jill was pretty much raised to be a racist.
@@venomrulesall "A racist is someone who dislikes someone based on their race"
You answered your own question. She *was* racist.
Her reasons were empathetic but the result was the same. Lmao.
@@obara7366 She was never racist! She didn't mistrust Dedue because of his skin color or the way he spoke, it was because of where he was from, and black people doesn't come from only one place, they come from all over the world. Racist people judge other based on how they look, mainly their skin color, like how black people and Asians have been victims of rasism for decades. Had she said these things to a white man, people wouldn't be calling her racist... Then again, given how the SJW world works, if he was white, people would just call her sexist instead, despite the mountain of evidence that proves she isn't. So maybe I should say, if she had said those things to a white Woman, then people would have no leg to stand on.
Ingrid is a prime example of a character getting an undeserved reputation due to memes on the internet who over exaggerate every single detail and make them look like serious offence.
@@venomrulesall it is extremely reductive to say race is only about skin colour. I can have the exact same skin colour as someone who is Indian or Pakistani but I am African.
Ingrid is racist towards Duscurian people. I love Ingrid but the writers did a poor job of communicating her growth. Well, Japanese have never been good with race sensitivity in general in their media.
Duscur is a race of people, they are wholly distinct from the Almyrans in the game.
You are being absolutely pedantic (while still being wrong) and are trying to use the specificity of words to shade the fact that Ingrid was still abigot.
Fine, even if we don't use the word racist (also American black people can still be racist to Africans, buddy) she was still a prejudiced bigot.
She WAS.
@@obara7366 Like I explained, Ingrid's problem with Dedue had NOTHING to do with his race. But the region he was from. She didn't act this way because she believed she was racial superior to him. Had her fiance been killed by any other person from any other region, regardless of their race, she would've acted the same. She wasn't racist, she was unfairly judging the people of a region due to the actions of a few. Which is still horrible, but it's not racism, it's ignorance brought on grief.
Like how many people hate crocodiles and sharks because they've lost loved ones to them, believing they are evil monsters, even though they are not. Racist people are those who believe that people from different races are inferior to them, like how black people were treated like slaves because of ignorant white people who believed themselves superior based on skin color or other traits.
I am not saying Ingrid was right in her treatment of Dedue and I honestly wish he had snapped at her and called her out on how unfair she was being, since he had nothing to do with what happened. I know I would snap if someone bad mouthed me for something I had nothing to do with. But people who call her racist is Wrong. She is not racist, she is just letting her past grief blind her. Ignorance is not racism, and given how quickly she began trusting Dedue further proves it, since a racist wouldn't just change their mind so easily. And she has never judged anyone based on their race in any other support.
guys its not racist if she just was prejudiced against a group of people from a specific region based off of her own experiences!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/s :v
not even just from her own experience, the kingdom is really racist as a whole
I think her "racism" is a bit justified
Te vi el otro dia agradeciendole a un profe en un video de física xD
In any way, yeah, she hates people of duscur because she thinks they killed Glenn, but at the end of the day she was still being mad someone who didn't have the fault for what his people supposedly did, but at least she learns she's wrong
@@katharsis101- Gotta remember that Ingrid was also a teenager. It might be well into adulthood for the Japanese, but her worldview would still be very simple. I was pretty racist when I was younger, too; and nobody killed my fiancé. It takes meeting people and seeing things to show you the error of your ways. But most importantly, as the game shows, it takes kindness and an open mind to pry open that oyster.
It's understandable, but that doesn't make it right, which is shown through these supports.
Understandable yes. Justified no.
jesus christ, mate.
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