It's amusing just how many of these bands I find utterly intolerable. The Velvet Underground in particular I absolutely despise yet I agree there was no other group that sounded like them in America at the time and they do deserve to be in your list. Procol Harum bore me to tears while Pink Floyd send me to sleep yet, again, both groups merit a mention in this context since they were part of the process that generated what became progressive rock. However, I want to say THANK YOU for including not one but two albums by The Bluesbreakers whose influence upon and within the 2nd wave of British blues can never be under estimated although I find the focus on guitarists irritating but then I think you know my aversion to electric guitars by now. Also you remembered to include Brian Auger & The Trinity, a group frequently forgotten or ignored by pop, rock and jazz enthusiasts. Well done to both of you!
Buffalo Springfield Again was an incredible album by artists who would influence music for years to come. Mr Soul, Expecting To Fly and Bluebird! Need I say more.
Well done Dermot. An excellent insight in to 1967 . Very well executed. You covered the year Very well indeed, all specialists. I got into most of them later on in life , having been only 7 when this mix of ingredients to start a musical memory explosion. Well done indeed.
Thank you Dave. It's always scary making these things and putting your opinions out there. Support from people like yourself keeps us going. Thanks again. 👍
Excelent classic albums from 1967.Excelent picks.Another great album from 1967 you did mention the band,it is "Surrealistic Pillow" by Jefferson Airplane,and "Mr.Fantasy"by Traffic from 1967.See you soon on the Prog.Corner.
Yeah. I couldn't find my copy of surrealistic pillow before the show. Otherwise I'd have shown it. And you're right... We completely overlooked Mr. Fantasy. 👍
Show!! Fantastic video!! Thanks Dermot I think you know a lot about rock music and still you seem an humble guy. I would add "Between The Buttons" by The Rolling Stones and "Something Else" by The Kinks but you showed so many good albums that it is not important.
As ever a very thoughtful selection about a point of transition in music. One under recognised album from 67 that I think deserves a mention is 'Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn and Jones Ltd' by The Monkees. It marked the transition from being product to being a band and included more West Coast experimentation. It sold over 3 million copies and , I think, along with Sgnt Pepper and Pet Sounds, primed the mainstream audience for the musical explosion that was to come.
We must check that one out. You're right. The Monkees had a very mainstream audience that they could bring them with them into deeper experiential musical realms. A great point. Thanks. 👍
Good Show! Tara was mentioning bands getting brave Vanilla Fudge with Carmen Apice smashing his drums on a pop song and some heavy hammond organ.Very good early psychedelic sound.Great choice!
Interesting stuff as always. Love - Forever Changes for me remains not only the the finest album of '67, but of any era. So influential. Also, The Pretty Things - S F Sorrow, although they bettered it a few years later imo with the excellent Parachute. Keep up the good work. Love it.
Thanks Peter. We could only mention Love. I had a cd and DVD combined album of Forever Changes and I couldn't find it. Otherwise it would have been in the video. I should move house less if I want to hold onto these things. 👍
Hey folks, just discovered your channel through Vinyl Monkey who put in an entry to my contest and mentioned your channel. Great selection of records and insights into the year. I understand you can’t mention them all, but another couple of big ‘67 albums for me would be: Moby Grape’s debut, which mixes psych, rock, soul and helped plant the seeds of country rock. And Love’s Forever Changes, because they were a band that broke down racial barriers, they covered darker subject matter than other bands of the time, the album has beautiful orchestration and is my favourite album of all time!!!! Loving your channel guys. Liked & subbed. Cheers, Jack
Thanks Jack. We mentioned Love and I have a big package of the album with a CD and DVD but I just couldn't lay my hands on it for the video. A great favourite album to have. Vinyl Monkey was an inspiration to us starting this. We love him. Welcome aboard. 👍
And also the year my 2 favourite bands were formed Dermot... Genesis and Van Der Graaf Generator. Even such an important band as The Nice this year too. Are you experienced.. one hell of an album , Beatles , Moody Blues , Velvet Underground and Floyd's debut. Wicked , great video Dermot and Tara !!! 😍🤘 As a side note , actually distraught that Hackett's The Lamb tour Manchester coincides with Dream Theater's gig !! 🙄😍🎵🤘
Another brilliant video, Dermot! You should teach a college course about this era of Rock music. The Convergence/Divergence point so permeates the music and you voiced it (and named it) so well. I was born in 1960 and still haven't heard some of those artists: Country Joe and the Fish (and I live in California!), John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers. Though I'm not a fan of the more blues based rock of the era. I much prefer Psychedelic. I guess I had a good start: we had the Revolver album when it came out! The original American mono version had Paperback Writer on it! Thanks again professors! - Matt in Los Angeles.
Thanks Matt. Praise indeed. I was in touch with a local college and asked them if I could do a PhD on the subject. I think they thought I was mad because they never came back to me. 😂
Always thought that 67 was the birth of the Rock album , Experience, The Doors, etc . But I think it's when bands had complete control of the product. Pepper being the prime example, no notable name on the cover, the lyrics and more time in the studio . And targeting an adult audience. It's was the beginning of when the album ruled the world
Amazing Year , you could easily argue and say the best For me the are 2 albums that shaped the coming Decade Disraeli Gears : Cream which you featured John Wesley Harding : Bob Dylan Bob unplugged and gave us one of his most complex and soul searching albums Influenced so many artists
A very insightful look at '67, those are certainly all important albums. I can only add 2 others, the 1st self titled Bee Gee's album (nothing like their later output) is a psychedelic nugget and Traffic's Mr. Fantasy. Good idea this!
Dermot, you are a professor in the School of Rock! 1967, the "Summer of Love". A most excellent year for music! I'd like to mention a bit of a lesser known album that fits well into the creativity of this year, the soundtrack to the movie The Trip by The Electric Flag. This album features Paul Beaver on a Moog synthesizer. Very psychedelic freaky stuff!
11 years before i was born but whst a year for music Jefferson airplane, the Beatles, the doors and so much more such an essential year for music indeed
Although there's not a single note to be heard from a mellotron, I've also always liked these albums from 1967. Ireland's very own David McWilliams - David McWilliams Vol. 2, John Fahey - Volume 1 Blind Joe Death, Roy Harper - The Sophisticated Beggar and Scott Walker - Scott.
I was but a wee shaver 13 years old, i hated my School, i was on holiday in my Dads Caravan in Abersoch and i had little Transistor Radio which at night could pick up Radio Luxembourg and Radio CAROLINE but it was like the signal was on a Satellite, it faded away before returning...i heard Cream and then Jimi, it was a WOW to me, the i got into early Fleetwood Mac (Mr Wonderful) then The Nice, then I was done, completely addicted. Still am My dad wouldn't let my Sister go to the Tabernacle Club (owned by the Salvation Army) to see some American...it was Hendrix. That was 1966 then it was 67 and Hey Joe and he didnt play the likes of the Tabernacle anymore
@@SpinninProg yes that will be nice and in the meantime you are being busy on the channel .i saw yes is coming . looking forward to it . for me is it the yes album .maybe because it was my first
Could only afford one band's albums then, and it was the Beatles. I didn't explode into action until I could afford Hi Fi gear early 70's. I was up and running then!
Good one. I couldn't find my copy of surrealistic pillow before the video. So I didn't include it. If I had it, definitely it would have been there. Good shout for the first Ten Years After album. They also did the fantastic Undead album in 67 if I'm not mistaken. 👍
Hi Spinnin' Proggers👋🏻 I can't disagree with your hypothesis Dermot. 1967 was arguably the year when albums took on more cultural significance than ever (I'm struggling to think of many notable albums pre-67. Revolver and Rubber Soul are all that spring to mind🤔) but as you rightly pointed out in 67 we had several. I'd argue that most of those albums were stepping stones, and although lauded for their cultural significance many are overrated. The concepts behind them were interesting but few of the actual songs would rank among the best by those artists (you mentioned Pet Sounds but song for song Sgt Pepper is easily the weakest of The Beatles late-60s albums). Your video got me debating a question tho. Was Pete Townshend more innovative, and influential in the evolution of progressive music than The Beatles? You've left me with more questions than answers Dermot 😂
Hi Terry. Yes. The hypothesis is just that a singular quest, if you like, emerged that caused a movement. It's obviously much more complicated than we can represent in any one video. I think a lot of time was spent looking at bands, but not managers and record company business models that enabled this outburst of creativity. I agree... None of these albums are an end in themselves, but they are the start of something that led to a divergence under this umbrella that added rocket fuel to the process of creativity in music. This led to a further convergence. I'm still trying to think when this was, but I'm leaning towards 71 or 72. That's when prog established a format. This trapped it and stopped it from evolving further. Then jazz fusion, krautrock etc started to kick in and by 75 the momentum was really flagging. More videos to come on the subject when I nail it further. Good point on Pete Townshend. From A Quick One onwards, he was moving towards producing works that were transcendental. Perhaps he was "the" influence. I know Tara would agree with you on that. 👍
@@SpinninProg I'm not sure that prog established a format which ultimately trapped it Dermot🤔. It's a complex topic to unravel but an interesting one. Did bands alienate listeners by producing albums which were too musically dense? (Topographic Oceans, A Passion Play, Larks Tongues etc). Did record companies pressure bands to copy the sound of previous commercially successful albums in order to strike gold again? Back in 72 were bands such as Yes, Tull, and ELP labelled as rock bands alongside Purple and Zeppelin or were they already being pigeonholed as progressive? You've given me even more questions than answers 🤭. We need you to write that book Dermot🤞🏻 That's a good point about the influence of managers and producers on the evolution of prog. Kit Lambert certainly pushed Townshend to be creative. Would we ever have heard Genesis or VDGG without Tony Stratton Smith? What would The Wall and Welcome To My Nightmare have sounded like without Bob Ezrin's influence?
@@terrywalker8446 I don't think prog existed until the term emerged later in the seventies. I do think a format evolved for this music in about 72. The main reason I say this is because a lot of people seem to regard the format of some of these albums produced at this time as the touchstone. Things must sound like that to be prog. It holds us back even now and is the reason why I keep asking what is modern prog? Is it something that embraces innovation or is it nostalgic. If it's the latter, then there is a format that was cast in stone in the hearts and minds of listeners at some time. Then it just eats its own tale. I think the overblown albums you mentioned are examples of that, whereas something like the Wetton era King Crimson was an example of breaking out of that mold. Yes... A few years research and a book is definitely needed.😱
@@SpinninProg Ask 100 people to define progressive music and you'll get 100 different answers. Maybe there's a book to be written on that topic too Dermot? For my money it was originally music which progressed beyond the simple structures of mid 1960s pop songs, but that was a long time ago and a lot of music has been written since then so the progressive waters have become cloudy. Some seem to value complex song structures, other prioritize virtuosity, dynamics, lyrical themes, etc. For me, modern progressive music is lacking in dynamics, but perhaps that's because I'm old and very little feels fresh and exciting to my uncouth, jaded, Northern ears 🙉
@@terrywalker8446 spot on about the modern prog. I don't know if you're ever unfaithful to the spinnin' prog channel and look at others. Sometimes I do and there's a fixation on song length, sounding like early Genesis and Dave Gilmour type guitar solos. You see, we're very alike, and we think too much about these things. About 80% of prog fans aren't any way near as deep. So, they just want this familiar comfort zone. Don't get me wrong too. I don't see the second convergence as a bad thing. It's the nature of how these things go. I get what you're saying about 100 different opinions. That's how it should be because it's all subjective at the end of the day. Again, we're both pretty cynical too. But everyone isn't. There's consensus out there too and I think it's just fashion. If I hear someone else describing In the court of the crimson king as the first prog album again I'll pull my hair out. 😱😱😱😱
all those first albums that i bought from my paper money .passing by.still like them very much . also i think the stones satanic record . you where right dermot if god only knows and sloop john B weren.t on pet sounds .its a oke record .
Being in high school at that time you wouldn't believe the great music on the radio.Their wasn't any real pop songs it was 99% rock songs and albums that year
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It's amusing just how many of these bands I find utterly intolerable. The Velvet Underground in particular I absolutely despise yet I agree there was no other group that sounded like them in America at the time and they do deserve to be in your list. Procol Harum bore me to tears while Pink Floyd send me to sleep yet, again, both groups merit a mention in this context since they were part of the process that generated what became progressive rock.
However, I want to say THANK YOU for including not one but two albums by The Bluesbreakers whose influence upon and within the 2nd wave of British blues can never be under estimated although I find the focus on guitarists irritating but then I think you know my aversion to electric guitars by now. Also you remembered to include Brian Auger & The Trinity, a group frequently forgotten or ignored by pop, rock and jazz enthusiasts. Well done to both of you!
Buffalo Springfield Again was an incredible album by artists who would influence music for years to come. Mr Soul, Expecting To Fly and Bluebird! Need I say more.
No. You needn't add anything. You're right. Ground breaking. 👍
Well done Dermot. An excellent insight in to 1967 . Very well executed. You covered the year Very well indeed, all specialists. I got into most of them later on in life , having been only 7 when this mix of ingredients to start a musical memory explosion. Well done indeed.
Thank you Dave. It's always scary making these things and putting your opinions out there. Support from people like yourself keeps us going. Thanks again. 👍
Excelent classic albums from 1967.Excelent picks.Another great album from 1967 you did mention the band,it is "Surrealistic Pillow" by Jefferson Airplane,and "Mr.Fantasy"by Traffic from 1967.See you soon on the Prog.Corner.
Yeah. I couldn't find my copy of surrealistic pillow before the show. Otherwise I'd have shown it. And you're right... We completely overlooked Mr. Fantasy. 👍
Another superb discussion. love it! cheers! Elliot
Thanks.
Show!! Fantastic video!! Thanks Dermot I think you know a lot about rock music and still you seem an humble guy. I would add "Between The Buttons" by The Rolling Stones and "Something Else" by The Kinks but you showed so many good albums that it is not important.
Fantastic collection. I am happy to say that I own a few of these great albums
As ever a very thoughtful selection about a point of transition in music. One under recognised album from 67 that I think deserves a mention is 'Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn and Jones Ltd' by The Monkees. It marked the transition from being product to being a band and included more West Coast experimentation. It sold over 3 million copies and , I think, along with Sgnt Pepper and Pet Sounds, primed the mainstream audience for the musical explosion that was to come.
We must check that one out. You're right. The Monkees had a very mainstream audience that they could bring them with them into deeper experiential musical realms. A great point. Thanks. 👍
Good Show! Tara was mentioning bands getting brave Vanilla Fudge with Carmen Apice smashing his drums on a pop song and some heavy hammond organ.Very good early psychedelic sound.Great choice!
Thank you. 👍
Interesting stuff as always. Love - Forever Changes for me remains not only the the finest album of '67, but of any era. So influential. Also, The Pretty Things - S F Sorrow, although they bettered it a few years later imo with the excellent Parachute. Keep up the good work. Love it.
Thanks Peter. We could only mention Love. I had a cd and DVD combined album of Forever Changes and I couldn't find it. Otherwise it would have been in the video. I should move house less if I want to hold onto these things. 👍
Enjoyed the video - Great discussion. The late 60s produced a lot of great albums and these bands were really progressing in their music.
Thanks a million. It's a massive area to get into. We've subscribed to you. Great content.
Hey folks, just discovered your channel through Vinyl Monkey who put in an entry to my contest and mentioned your channel. Great selection of records and insights into the year. I understand you can’t mention them all, but another couple of big ‘67 albums for me would be:
Moby Grape’s debut, which mixes psych, rock, soul and helped plant the seeds of country rock.
And Love’s Forever Changes, because they were a band that broke down racial barriers, they covered darker subject matter than other bands of the time, the album has beautiful orchestration and is my favourite album of all time!!!!
Loving your channel guys. Liked & subbed. Cheers, Jack
Thanks Jack. We mentioned Love and I have a big package of the album with a CD and DVD but I just couldn't lay my hands on it for the video. A great favourite album to have. Vinyl Monkey was an inspiration to us starting this. We love him. Welcome aboard. 👍
Just subbed to your channel too. 👍
And also the year my 2 favourite bands were formed Dermot... Genesis and Van Der Graaf Generator. Even such an important band as The Nice this year too.
Are you experienced.. one hell of an album , Beatles , Moody Blues , Velvet Underground and Floyd's debut. Wicked , great video Dermot and Tara !!! 😍🤘
As a side note , actually distraught that Hackett's The Lamb tour Manchester coincides with Dream Theater's gig !! 🙄😍🎵🤘
Thanks for your kind words. About the coincidence in Hackett and Dream Theater concerts.... Why not have a continental trip for one of them? 😁
@@SpinninProg Now there's a thought 🤔 😅
Another brilliant video, Dermot! You should teach a college course about this era of Rock music. The Convergence/Divergence point so permeates the music and you voiced it (and named it) so well. I was born in 1960 and still haven't heard some of those artists: Country Joe and the Fish (and I live in California!), John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers. Though I'm not a fan of the more blues based rock of the era. I much prefer Psychedelic. I guess I had a good start: we had the Revolver album when it came out! The original American mono version had Paperback Writer on it! Thanks again professors! - Matt in Los Angeles.
Thanks Matt. Praise indeed. I was in touch with a local college and asked them if I could do a PhD on the subject. I think they thought I was mad because they never came back to me. 😂
SF Sorrow by The Pretty Things
A great addition to the list. Spot on. 👍
Always thought that 67 was the birth of the Rock album , Experience, The Doors, etc .
But I think it's when bands had complete control of the product.
Pepper being the prime example, no notable name on the cover, the lyrics and more time in the studio .
And targeting an adult audience.
It's was the beginning of when the album ruled the world
Yeah. A great analysis there. It would be interesting to try and work out how the business model for music looked at that time. 👍
Jefferson Airplane released Surrealistic Pillow early. I really like that album
Yes. We couldn't find our copy before we started filming. Otherwise we would have had it in there. A great choice. Thanks. 👍
Amazing Year , you could easily argue and say the best
For me the are 2 albums that shaped the coming Decade
Disraeli Gears : Cream which you featured
John Wesley Harding : Bob Dylan
Bob unplugged and gave us one of his most complex and soul searching albums
Influenced so many artists
Thanks for throwing in Dylan. We should have put that one in ourselves. 👍
A very insightful look at '67, those are certainly all important albums. I can only add 2 others, the 1st self titled Bee Gee's album (nothing like their later output) is a psychedelic nugget and Traffic's Mr. Fantasy. Good idea this!
Brilliant choices. I can't believe I forgot Mr Fantasy. 👍
Dermot, you are a professor in the School of Rock! 1967, the "Summer of Love". A most excellent year for music! I'd like to mention a bit of a lesser known album that fits well into the creativity of this year, the soundtrack to the movie The Trip by The Electric Flag. This album features Paul Beaver on a Moog synthesizer. Very psychedelic freaky stuff!
Great. Yes. That's another key artistic statement. 👍
11 years before i was born but whst a year for music Jefferson airplane, the Beatles, the doors and so much more such an essential year for music indeed
Thanks. It must have been great to have been around listening to such fantastic music. 👍
is that jade warior
Although there's not a single note to be heard from a mellotron, I've also always liked these albums from 1967. Ireland's very own David McWilliams - David McWilliams Vol. 2, John Fahey - Volume 1 Blind Joe Death, Roy Harper - The Sophisticated Beggar and Scott Walker - Scott.
Great choices. Scott Walker is often overlooked and Roy Harper's contribution can't be overstressed. 👍
It had to be the year I entered the world. 🤘😍🎵
The same year that Dermot entered the world too, a year of greatness Peter 🙌🏻
@@SpinninProg Wow , it sure was an excellent year !!! 😍🤘
That was year I was born dj Paul from Dublin together fm
Hi Dermot Vanilla Fudge allait donner naissance par sa section rythmique ( Bogert- Appice) a un grand groupe de hard blues CACTUS!
Ah Yes!!! Cactus!!!! 👍
I was but a wee shaver 13 years old, i hated my School, i was on holiday in my Dads Caravan in Abersoch and i had little Transistor Radio which at night could pick up Radio Luxembourg and Radio CAROLINE but it was like the signal was on a Satellite, it faded away before returning...i heard Cream and then Jimi, it was a WOW to me, the i got into early Fleetwood Mac (Mr Wonderful) then The Nice, then I was done, completely addicted.
Still am
My dad wouldn't let my Sister go to the Tabernacle Club (owned by the Salvation Army) to see some American...it was Hendrix. That was 1966 then it was 67 and Hey Joe and he didnt play the likes of the Tabernacle anymore
Brilliant historical context. That's a fantastic insight. Thank you for sharing it with us. 👍
Le rock et la prog sont les deux seuls courants musicaux a avoir fonctionnes avec les arts graphiques en donnant des chefs d'oeuvres!!!!
It did bring a lot of elements and disciplines together. You're right.👍
I’d add 5000 Spirits by the Incredible String Band, a psych-folk classic.
A great album. I sold my copy to an Incredible String Band fanatic. It was an altruistic gesture and, yes, I regret it. 😂👍
@@SpinninProg You should get it back!
@@MattCarter67 I wish I could. It was a long time ago. 😁
oh before i forget i am in irland between 17 juni and 28 juni
We'll work out a day with you closer to the time to meet up in the Bunker!
@@SpinninProg yes that will be nice and in the meantime you are being busy on the channel .i saw yes is coming .
looking forward to it .
for me is it the yes album .maybe because it was my first
We will try to arrange a trip to Cork and see if we can meet up. It would be great to chat again. 👍
@@51monalisa We have been talking about doing this one for some time. But, we just decided to go for it. We hope you will enjoy it. 👍
Could only afford one band's albums then, and it was the Beatles. I didn't explode into action until I could afford Hi Fi gear early 70's. I was up and running then!
We all have different journeys. But it's led us all to the same place. 👍
Bob Dylan had an Album in 67 ‘John Wesley Harding’ Not His Best Work but he’s is Vital in the 60’s
Very true.👍
Buffalo Springfield Again the 2 Jefferson Airplane albums Surrealistic Pillow and After Bathing At Baxters and the first Ten Years After album.
Good one. I couldn't find my copy of surrealistic pillow before the video. So I didn't include it. If I had it, definitely it would have been there. Good shout for the first Ten Years After album. They also did the fantastic Undead album in 67 if I'm not mistaken. 👍
@SpinninProg Undeads the following year, best thing they ever recorded.
@@shaynewest8757 Yes. I totally agree. The studio wasn't very kind to them. 👍
Very interesting Vid.tIck VG
Thanks. We try to keep putting the music we love into some historical context. 👍
Hi Spinnin' Proggers👋🏻
I can't disagree with your hypothesis Dermot. 1967 was arguably the year when albums took on more cultural significance than ever (I'm struggling to think of many notable albums pre-67. Revolver and Rubber Soul are all that spring to mind🤔) but as you rightly pointed out in 67 we had several. I'd argue that most of those albums were stepping stones, and although lauded for their cultural significance many are overrated. The concepts behind them were interesting but few of the actual songs would rank among the best by those artists (you mentioned Pet Sounds but song for song Sgt Pepper is easily the weakest of The Beatles late-60s albums). Your video got me debating a question tho. Was Pete Townshend more innovative, and influential in the evolution of progressive music than The Beatles?
You've left me with more questions than answers Dermot 😂
Hi Terry. Yes. The hypothesis is just that a singular quest, if you like, emerged that caused a movement. It's obviously much more complicated than we can represent in any one video. I think a lot of time was spent looking at bands, but not managers and record company business models that enabled this outburst of creativity. I agree... None of these albums are an end in themselves, but they are the start of something that led to a divergence under this umbrella that added rocket fuel to the process of creativity in music. This led to a further convergence. I'm still trying to think when this was, but I'm leaning towards 71 or 72. That's when prog established a format. This trapped it and stopped it from evolving further. Then jazz fusion, krautrock etc started to kick in and by 75 the momentum was really flagging. More videos to come on the subject when I nail it further. Good point on Pete Townshend. From A Quick One onwards, he was moving towards producing works that were transcendental. Perhaps he was "the" influence. I know Tara would agree with you on that. 👍
@@SpinninProg I'm not sure that prog established a format which ultimately trapped it Dermot🤔. It's a complex topic to unravel but an interesting one. Did bands alienate listeners by producing albums which were too musically dense? (Topographic Oceans, A Passion Play, Larks Tongues etc). Did record companies pressure bands to copy the sound of previous commercially successful albums in order to strike gold again? Back in 72 were bands such as Yes, Tull, and ELP labelled as rock bands alongside Purple and Zeppelin or were they already being pigeonholed as progressive? You've given me even more questions than answers 🤭. We need you to write that book Dermot🤞🏻
That's a good point about the influence of managers and producers on the evolution of prog. Kit Lambert certainly pushed Townshend to be creative. Would we ever have heard Genesis or VDGG without Tony Stratton Smith? What would The Wall and Welcome To My Nightmare have sounded like without Bob Ezrin's influence?
@@terrywalker8446 I don't think prog existed until the term emerged later in the seventies. I do think a format evolved for this music in about 72. The main reason I say this is because a lot of people seem to regard the format of some of these albums produced at this time as the touchstone. Things must sound like that to be prog. It holds us back even now and is the reason why I keep asking what is modern prog? Is it something that embraces innovation or is it nostalgic. If it's the latter, then there is a format that was cast in stone in the hearts and minds of listeners at some time. Then it just eats its own tale. I think the overblown albums you mentioned are examples of that, whereas something like the Wetton era King Crimson was an example of breaking out of that mold. Yes... A few years research and a book is definitely needed.😱
@@SpinninProg Ask 100 people to define progressive music and you'll get 100 different answers. Maybe there's a book to be written on that topic too Dermot? For my money it was originally music which progressed beyond the simple structures of mid 1960s pop songs, but that was a long time ago and a lot of music has been written since then so the progressive waters have become cloudy. Some seem to value complex song structures, other prioritize virtuosity, dynamics, lyrical themes, etc. For me, modern progressive music is lacking in dynamics, but perhaps that's because I'm old and very little feels fresh and exciting to my uncouth, jaded, Northern ears 🙉
@@terrywalker8446 spot on about the modern prog. I don't know if you're ever unfaithful to the spinnin' prog channel and look at others. Sometimes I do and there's a fixation on song length, sounding like early Genesis and Dave Gilmour type guitar solos. You see, we're very alike, and we think too much about these things. About 80% of prog fans aren't any way near as deep. So, they just want this familiar comfort zone. Don't get me wrong too. I don't see the second convergence as a bad thing. It's the nature of how these things go. I get what you're saying about 100 different opinions. That's how it should be because it's all subjective at the end of the day. Again, we're both pretty cynical too. But everyone isn't. There's consensus out there too and I think it's just fashion. If I hear someone else describing In the court of the crimson king as the first prog album again I'll pull my hair out. 😱😱😱😱
Good albums but i am agree with you Beach Boys album PS is overrated, i also like Rolling Stones ...Between The Buttons, keep up😁😉😉
A great suggestion. Thanks. 😁👍
all those first albums that i bought from my paper money .passing by.still like them very much .
also i think the stones satanic record .
you where right dermot if god only knows and sloop john B weren.t on pet sounds .its a oke record .
Thanks. 👍
Being in high school at that time you wouldn't believe the great music on the radio.Their wasn't any real pop songs it was 99% rock songs and albums that year
Brilliant. Thanks for the insight. It all helps to put it into a social context. It must have been fantastic. 👍