this not about anything of the "peace movement" (right or wrong) the point is about the ProPalestine Movement which is not about peace.. they may try and co-op the peace movement.. but only when the Palestinians are suffering negatively from violence... yes now we are hearing calls for ceasefire.. but where were these calls from these people on the 7th Oct.. or the 8th or 9th.. or even on the 6th I dont remember jeremy corbyn calling for peace in the middle east in 2022 asking for a descalation or trying to tell Hamas to de-arm.. the supporters of Palestine talk about the "right of armed resistance" that is not a peace movement. that is taking one side in a conflict. (and then complaining about the consequences) the ProPalestinian movement is a war movement, they support armed actions and violence.. just listen to them
America: Muslim Vs Christian Europe: Muslim Vs Christian India: Muslim Vs Hindu/ Buddhist Bangladesh: Muslim Vs Hindu Pakistan: Muslim Vs Buddhist Myanmar: Muslim Vs Buddhist Israel: Muslim Vs Jewish The rest of the WORLD can’t all be wrong!!!!
I honestly think nihilism is very misunderstood as a concept and should not be equated with this destructive ideology of hamas. Actual nihilists, are not that bad at basic game theory as to support an ideology that has potential to start world war 3 and nuclear winter. Most either find a meaning in the world, or go the ubermensch route or simply live in crystal clear understanding of the world passively as part of its systems.
@@luxeadawnlight i dont know about game theory thats too modern for me.. but; real nihilists understand that all things are equal and therefor add up to nothing, they understand that all action is futile and irrelevant.. therefore they have no goals other than accepting the finite futility of life. they may then choose a form of distraction which would most probably lead to Hedonism, or probably depression no goals.. no processable actions. therefore no position.. therefore.. what ever so Hamas that has a goal (the final world caliphate of all Islam on Earth to bring Allah and a final destruction of all impurities) they are not technically Nihilists they are fundamentalist Islamic absolutists.. but to an outsider we can attribute their behaviours, beliefs and values to be nihilistic (from our perspective if we do not believe in their narrow beliefs). So to do something (Nihilistic) and to be something (a Nihilist) is not always synonymous Another example could be “your action is crazy but you are not crazy”
Agreed. A ceasefire works in israel's favor only ~ not the Palestinian civilians and certainly not Hamas. A ceasefire would still allow israel to withhold food water and medical supplies for the Palestinians ~ not just the bombs. Jews have certainly come full circle. Holocaust 1.0 was inflicted by others on the Jews. Holocaust 2.0 is now being inflicted by the Jews on 'others'. Israel has a helluva way of acquiring property they want to own using the blood of another group of people as payment. Who will be next after the Palestinians???
Too many people today have forgotten about 911. Many Americans today were not even born when that attack happened and are clueless about the world around them.
The oppressor always complains when the oppressed reacts to being oppressed by the oppressor, the oppressor then sheds '000s of crocodile tears. Always have always will. Shame on Israel. Shame on the IDF. Shame on Netanyahu. Shame on their continued killing of innocent children.
Leftists have denied it for a while, but Karl Marx wrote an essay titled "On the Jewish Question" where he goes on a horrific antisemitic rant about how the Jew's only religion is money, they're all "greedy hucksters" and that a hatred of capitalism is a hatred of Jews and Judaism. Now we are seeing that thought really manifest itself in the modern left. It's weird how they have flipped too. Just a few months ago when they pretended to care about "far right antisemitism" they'd argue Jews weren't white, and that antisemitism was a symptom of "white supremacy". Now that they hate Jews, Jews are suddenly white people oppressing "brown minorities".
@@bigmouthstrikesagain4056 well one major difference is the far right is a fringe faction that's widely disavowed by conservatives, libertarians, and every other moderate person that aligns themselves more with the right than left. The far left is an ever expanding, militarized arm of liberals and democrats, that they consistently downplay, run cover for, and outright deny the existence of, depending on what excuse they think they can get away with. Far right and far left are both bad, but the far right is barely relevant.
I grew up in the 1970s and although we learned about the holocaust, it seemed remote, like something from another age. One thing I was absolutely sure of was that when civilized society said “never again” it was unthinkable that such barbarity would ever be seen again - at least in Europe. To see huge marches in London calling for Jihad, or Stars of David being daubed on the front doors of Jewish households in Berlin, just chilled me to the bone. None of my cosy assumptions seem justifiable anymore. IT SHAMES US ALL. Am Yisrael chai.
The left are good at organising protests, they know how to rent a mob. Unfortunately as they did in Iran, they may succeed in bringing these Islamists to power across the west.
@@camphor_dance”Not unique”. Liar, it certainly was. When did we hear 6 million of them packed to the gas chambers in concentration camps within just a span of 3 years? And if Nazi Germany hadn’t stopped they would’ve scouted for more Jews and dissidents from all over Europe into their furnaces!
It freaks me out that 4 replies were hidden. I’m sure they were real nice….. I dropped out of university in the early 2000’s because I saw the anti white male nihilist collectivist propaganda everywhere! I was branded from day one. It happened in my private white Christian high school and I’m in the southern United States ! They were going after every tenured conservative truth teller in every university first. They silenced them. Then they took complete control of all of our academic institutions. I have no idea how we undo this mess!
"The terrorist sympathizers" Who are you trying to persuade with this ridiculous comment|? Most people opposing the Israeli action are people who don't like seeing children killed. It is that simple. You are alienating the whole world by conflating that with terrorism.
The zionist state of Israel is a terrorist state that's guilty of war crimes and atrocities for the last 70 yrs. So objectively, you're the terrorist sympathizer...
The Israelites are the terrorists. You might want to look into it more and not believe people like these who are COMPLETELY dismissing Israel's GENOCIDE of Palestine. I took down my Israel flag. I've thought of burning it. IT'S THAT BAD. Then you have people like this turning a total blind eye. Unreal. Your own words apply to Israel. Wake up.
I don’t even feel safe here in Sydney! I’m absolutely shocked seeing angry people attacking the Jews and the Jewish Museum here 🤯 True Colours have been revealed now I’ve lost all respect for any ‘Pro Palestinian’ cause now
Thank you, jews around the world feel like this, very sad! Yet, white house spokeswoman claims there are no threats to jews, utterly gutted by her antisemitic comments that fuels the hatred even more and legalises this ideology!
There are 15 million Jews in the whole world. Muslims are over 2.2 billion. With only 20% of them sympathizing with the Palestinians, and only 3% willing to take their opinion to the extreme... We are talking about 500 million very angry Muslims, and another 80 million, many of whom are scattered around the world, who are ready to take their opinion to the extreme. And that's without the anti-Semites, haters of Christians and haters of the West who would be happy to join.
The most frustrating part about this whole conflict is being repeatedly told by academics, misinformed/ignorant friends & media pundits, and public "intellectuals" to not believe our lying eyes and ears about these people and what their intentions truly are. The moral confusion in our civilization and inability to accept reality and call things by their rightful name is truly depressing.
Especially when one only needs to read the Quran to understand what a fundamentalist Islamist believes. To assume they do not believe what they overtly claim to believe ..... well how do I say this without offending...... Many of these folks, are the same people who date an abusive partner, and keep trying to change them. Saying, oh, they are trying to change, really, they didn't know what they were doing. I mean there are also the naive and ignorant in other regard, but the general person that takes part in these, they think they are on the right side of morality and humanism. The issue to me is why they think that in the first place. And I think part of it, aside from this this intense naive nature, is an intense narcissism, authoritarian minded control addicts, who do not have an actual moral compass and thus depend on an outside source for their morality. Like legalism. Like Quran. Like marxism masquerading as "liberalism". Consider someone like Norman Finkelstein. People actually respect him, but he's incredibly ignorant and I think completely morally corrupt. He just repeats cheap legalism, over and over, as if international law were the definitive metric on morality, and what is just.
@@camphor_dance Well I agree with some of what you said, about stereotping at least. But Finkelstein is a naive, morally infantile, or maybe just morally corrupt, marxist ideologue who pushes, insane modern social justice rhetoric and hardline legalism, even if the justness of those legalities are at best questionable and at worst, completely supportive of terror and aggression. A sort of unwitting nihilism. Or maybe witting. It's hard to say what someone actually understands. So it's no surprise that other naive marxists, who view everything through the lens of a power dynamic, would feel reassured by his childish ideas. And make no mistake, they are incredibly childish. It's a child's conceptualization of morality, social dynamics, economics and justice. It completely depends on the fallacy of misleading context, or removed context. It's utterly simple minded.
@@camphor_dance The A. Rand Institute YT has some wonderful videos that might educate you on why the ideology behind Finkelstein's words are deceptive and morally corrupt. And maybe then you'll understand why the fundamentalist Islamist Palestinian national movement, which is NOT an ethno-national movement, has been an absolute sham from the beginning. It's a theologically driven ACTUAL colonialist project. Lol. As pretty much the accusations made at Israel, are projections of things the Pal authority and predecessors are actually guilty of. Like attempted ethnic cleansing, like apartheid under Mandatory Palestine due to British interests in the Arab world, like the British support of the Palestinian movement and NOT the Jews or Israel, like the Jewish land and homes stolen throughout the years, like the fact that this is an 80 year long continuous war being waged against Israel with hot and cold periods, like the oppression of the "Palestinian'" people and why they have no rights, well, you get the drift I'm sure. They got some great ones. Like: Did Israel Steal Palestinian land? ----- Which doesn't touch on the modern settlement issue, which is far more debatable than the original claims of stolen "Palestinian" land, which are mostly bunk. And Making sense of the Israel Palestine conflict. And many others. Good luck with that.
I thought jews were too sensitive when I saw them eyeing everyone as a potential threat whenever I came across them, thinking the same as you, I get it now.
@@newug3347 You do understand that there are marriages not just in Jew but also other inter-marriage existing right? Are they required to follow the Jewish customs or can the offsprings follow other customs of another religion or culture?
I blame hamas for this and i blame isreal for hamas. Half a decade brutal occupation, apartheid and massacres tends to cause radicalism. The Israeli are the enemy of the jewish people, their actions put all jews around the world in danger, which is unfortunate, because most jews want nothing to do with this government.
I’ve never been religious but this whole thing has caused me to seek Christianity….I’ve never prayed as much as I have since all of this has started. I pray for Israel 🇮🇱
Welcome Leigh! There is no other faith that requires repentance, faith, and love for Salvation. Our sin’s consequences were paid for through Christ’s death. That is the purest act of a Father’s love.
Now the imaginary voice inside your head that you talk to known as this invisible sky wizard has made you part of the problem. Your religious BELIEFS will confuse your objective logic. Don't forget 10% of Palestinians are Coptic or Oriental Orthodox Christians! Do they support the jihad of Hamas? Do the Coptic Christians in Gaza deserve to have ZERO food water or medicine in the last 3 weeks? Do the Coptic Christians in East Jerusalem deserve to ride a separate and inferior bus to work on separate and inferior roads and if they get into an accident do they deserve to go a separate and inferior hospital further away because of the colour of their skin? Is this what Jesus wants for some of his oldest believers? The TRUTH is Israel is a government with a military commiting commiting war crimes in an apartheid state against Muslims, Christians, and Druze only based on the color of their skin!
85 percent of these protesters couldn’t find Israel on a map. To be fair, I’m having a hard time finding Palestine. It seems like it doesn’t exist and never has? 😮
@@TheConquest88they called themselves that since the early 1960s (first PLO Charter 1964). From 1920-1948 it was the local Jews who used the name (Palestine Philharmonic, Palestine Post newspaper, Palestine pavilion at world fair, Palestine national football team that attempted to qualify for the 34 and 38 World Cups and toured Australia). The mandate banknotes etc had ‘Palestine’ in English, Arabic and Hebrew. The Hebrew instance read ‘Palestine (E.I.), the abbreviation meaning Eretz Israel or Land of Israel. The Arabs demanded a customisation of their own. They wanted ‘Southern Syria’. The 1947 UN partition resolution talks about an Arab state and a Jewish state. The Arab militias who the attacked the Jews were the Arab Liberation Army and the Army of the Holy War. The Arab leadership body was the Arab Higher Committee. In June 1967, a load of ‘Jordanians’ became ‘Palestinians’ overnight. Corey Gil-Shuster has a vox pop with West Bank Arabs asking them if they are different from Jordanians etc. interesting replies.
@@secallen thanks, I understand your point, but this is semantic - the historic use of the term 'Palestine'. What I am referring to is the people who have been residing and who we now refer to as 'Palestinians'. Regardless of how you want to call them or the land they were living on, they were living there and they have rights, no?
@@TheConquest88 of course, but there are many clans, religions, nationalities who resided there. None of them had the right to attack their neighbour and steal their land as the Muslims did. They stole the land in the 7th century (from Byzantine thieves), and when the Jews organised and bought back overpriced land they assumed they could just steal it again. The Jews fought back. The Arab states invaded but failed to destroy the Jews. So they destroyed their own Jewish communities instead (who existed before the Muslim conquests). More than half of Israeli Jews are refugees from Muslim countries. Israel has 20% non-Jewish minority mostly arab Muslims. Muslim states have zero Jews and other minorities are dwindling.
@@TheConquest88 i think the point is that they never identified as a people, definitely not as the Palestinian people, prior to 1960. they saw themselves as just arabs. Egyptian/Jordanian/Syrian at best. the Palestinian people is modern invention that was brought up as a response to the state of Israel not going anywhere.
They see the situation as oppressed vs oppressor, with Israel of course being the oppressor. "Grrr, oppressor bad, oppressed good. We stand by the oppressed and support whatever it takes for them to overthrow their oppressor." It's a simplistic victim mentality mindset that they see the world through.
Actually, it's Israel, who is the oppressed. Israel is surrounded by countries wanting to destroy it, surrounded by enemies. Israel has been in the history of humanity always been invaded and massacred, and taken als slaves to other countries. Arabers were in history war lords, they invaded and forced other folks to convert to Islam. From North Africa to Europe, India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.
@@LeeGeeindeed, and a more psychologically sophisticated perspective on the matter. Would highly recommend the interview with Jordan Peterson just released on Piers Morgan's channel
I think it's strong vs weak mentality. Since Israël is strong when it hurt the other it is bad, but when the weak hurt the strong it is self defense. As for me, I see that if the ennemies of Israël had the means that Israël has it would have been worst for Israël rightnow than it is for them. We should not just look at who is able to cause more damage but we should also look at the hearts and intentions; Hamas want to destroy Israël and among the palestinians they have a lot of support, they were not forced by Hamas to celebrate october 7 for example they rejoiced over the news of deaths and sufferings from the civilians of the other side. In term of morality they are not innocent. Israël also obviously is guilty of a lot of sins, but I will not join this agenda the world seems to have to always defend and justify the parties that are weaker just because they are weaker despite their abominable intentions.
Yup, Marxist indoctrination 101. We saw the same in 2020 when the useful idiots were used to get Biden elected. I say that as an actual liberal Democrat, and non Trump supporter, who understood clearly what was going on. Almost felt a little bad for Trump even that they were railroading him so hard and lying to the American public on a daily basis. Which they then bragged about, narcissistically in a Time magazine article where they bragged about all their lies and corruption, that they claimed saved the election. But they used cheap Marxist rhetoric to rally that chaos and anger, appealing to the lowest common denominator. And that's what they are doing here. As some so called "prophet" once supposedly said "war is deception". An damn, they are good at it.
"The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually ceased or destroyed by the intolerant."
Its adult sized children that will take any excuse they can get to destroy property and make the lives of normal people more unsafe and chaotic. It's really not deeper than that. They're miserable people who hate their lives, and they want you to be miserable too.
Well you're right about the backbenchers followers but the people who are spewing this sort of nonsense in the first row truly believes in that BS! Don't have any doubt about that.
Until a few days ago I thought this too, but I think it's also latent antisemitism made manifest by events and the sudden social acceptability of hating on Jews, kind of like how riots turn seemingly "normal" people into looters and sometimes even worse. But, decent people always avoid succumbing to such temptations, so it's got to also be about latent attributes, like being unhappy and angry in general and needing ways to vent it, and antisemitism specifically, directing such anger at Jews when "permitted".
As a millenial who is not indoctrinated or brainwashed, I believe this event should be a major wake up call for our parent's generation aka "boomers". Y'all failed to understand what was really happening in these educational institutions which I liken to "re-education centers". Theyre not teaching these kids HOW to think anymore like they were doing back in my dad's days as a Syracuse undergrad in the 1970s. The curriculums are now teaching them WHAT to think, WHAT opinions they need to have to be a "enlightened progressive member of society" aka woke. The West and its traditional held values and beliefs are inherently racist, theyre all a bunch of oppresive colonizers who need to be rooted out so the world can be a better place for all its victims. The fact that these folks have absolutely no coherent thought to what the alternative is goes to show exactly what you guys are saying... its anarchy and nihilism pure and simple. They are absolutely willing to throw themselves and everyone else at the alter of societal self sacrifice and degradation to rid the world of what they deem "bad". As evidenced with this latest spectacle they are also willing to become violent. What happens afterwards? They dont care! As long as they can get rid of traditionally held Western values that ironically enables these clowns to have a platform. Are you understanding now? The most cruel joke thats being played on those of us in the West is that there is a cost to enabling trash to have a platform on a continuum. There is a cost to allowing twisted ideologies to run rampant and unchecked in our society. There is a cost to allowing morality/priciples to become so flawed and skewed that these folks genuinely believe they are on the right side of history. Scary stuff
So true. It's pretty warped to have so much passion and rage immediately directed at the victims of such heinous crimes and terrorism while justifying or making excuses for the perpetrators and acting just as the terrorists hoped and predicted. Organized non violent unity for a just cause or serious threat can be helpful and beautiful. Mob mentality expressed with disregard and impunity is ugly. The violence can be felt, the hysteria can be heard.
Look at Left-wing vocabulary. It's all about "smashing" and "tearing down". It's always anti-something, (which usually means becoming whatever is the opposition.) There's never anything constructive in the rhetoric.
It's a form of infantilism, a proxy for unresolved issues these people likely still have with their parents, for either not loving them enough, or loving them too much. Not that there aren't legitimate grievances that many people on the left rail against. But it just feels like it's not just that, but something more personal and psychological having nothing to do with whatever they're protesting against, and I can only think that it comes down to parent issues, the cause of most psychological issues of course. But until these people grow up and resolve such issues, I think that they're of limited use as activists and protesters.
@@LeeGee I have to disagree if by LW you mean anyone left of center, which includes liberals and progressives such as myself. I was specifically thinking of folks on the far left who seem to always be angry about something or someone and needing to protest it, whom I've often referred to as idiots who think that smashing Starbucks windows is legitimate protest or social activism. Those people have clear psych issues.
I'm shocked that too many people are taking the side of darkness...I mean dicatorship, violation of basic human freedom (anti-LBGTQ+ stuff too (I found ironic that most anti-Israel people support those who say explicitly that these people will be killed) in Palestine for having that lifestyle))
The day Nixon announced the end of the Vietnam war, I worked as a pizza deliverer in what was probably the most radically left-wing, counter-culture college town in the Midwest. I remember bracing for dancing in the streets and for at least twice the usual number of pizza orders. There was no dancing though, no parties, no extra pizzas. Just a nothing burger. "We" had finally gotten what we supposedly wanted, but it was obvious nobody cared. If anything, people seemed annoyed, maybe even a little depressed. Was kind of a rude awakening.
If others can co-exist along with Muslims ? Unfortunately not!! Read the history of the following countries and please ask Christans in Turkey, Egypt, Lebanon and many more, Zorastarians and Jews in Iran, Buddhists in Afganisthan, Hindus in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Indonesia. Co-existance is impossible specially when the Muslim Ashrafs are rulers of the state along with Mullas indoctrination. Message is same and pretty clear everywhere.
Coexistence with Muslims is completely possible and it is happening in many countries today. Maybe in the past this wasn’t true but the world is diferent now.
I think the cowards and followers are afraid of offending a billion Muslims. The leaders of society actually have to consider that capitulating to jihadis is an irrevocable evil.
Thank you for this interview. They were both very well spoken and have answered some difficult questions about the current situation in the Middle East. Very well done and I have learned lots and completely agreed with what they said. Thank You
Theres an online photo of an Hamas rifleman near a group of Gazans, shooting at Israelis, presumably assuming that the Israelis wont shoot near the Gazans.
Growing up Muslim I can confirm. Jews are number one on the black list they’re deemed as evil, wicked, sneaky all over the scriptures. I no longer believe in the doctrine keep in mind majority of Muslims didn’t even get to interact with a Jewish person. I am a bisexual guy currently living in Israel Tel aviv, engaged to an Israeli man too. You can only imagine how my community reacted lol.
They waved the same flags in my country (Ireland) and were shouting anti Israel slogans. I asked two policemen who are there protesters? They responded by saying they are Muslims ! Ah yeah I responded so they have bought their hatred for the Jews to my country and expect me to bend. Do they not know of our history and culture. Anti colonialism placards , and some Irish people shouting anti colonialism. I asked an Irish young woman, Why aren’t you protesting against the colonialism in your own country? She replied by saying Ireland isn’t being colonized. I replied, The six countries of our country is ruled by Westminster. That’s different she replied. It’s not Israeli. Only the English.🤦♂️
Dr Wahid Shaida, aka Abdul Wahid, a practising GP in London, now a JIHADI, celebrated the barbaric Hamas terror attacks that slaughtered 1,400 Jewish men. What the hell is going on in our country ??😎
It also refers to treacherous Christians and that there must be none of them left. But it seems people haven’t become aware of that. I’m sorry I didn’t make a note of the verse (?) numbers.
As Israeli, free speech is crucial. I rather see this moral derangement in the open. I am not afraid of the open discussion. That's why we have discussion like yours in the open. Before it was so difficult to explain the core ideological difference between Israel and the Palestinian causes. It was so difficult to explain the corruption of the mind, the capture of institutions, that happened on the left (as bad or worse than populism on the right). Now it is clear. Let it be exposed. That's the power of free speech too.
Book of Esther chapter 6 verse 13 There Haman told his wife Zeresh and all his friends everything that had befallen him. His advisers and his wife Zeresh said to him, “If Mordecai, before whom you have begun to fall, is of Jewish stock, you will not overcome him; you will fall before him to your ruin.”
I’m impressed - a distinct departure from this channel’s other woolly discussions and anti-Israel sentiment. Ayn Rand herself was a sloppy thinker and her ideas are clichéd and overly simplistic. When it comes to Israel and the so-called Palestinians, most people seem to overlook the “elephant-in-the-room” facts: 1. There is no one, homogenous Palestinian culture or people. There were Arabs (and Jews and Christians and atheists) living in Palestine during the Ottoman occupation and they were displaced by WWI and the anti-Israel wars from 1948 onwards. The Jews were “cleansed” from the Arab regions in “Palestine” (the greater part of which is now Jordan), the Arabs that were in the now-Israel region were either absorbed into Israel and are now citizens with the same rights as Israelis (albeit with lesser privileges or opportunities similar to the status of blacks in USA) or they ended up as refugees in neighboring Arab countries or they became the present-day “Palestinians”. The latter group are not unified or culturally the same: Muslims, Christians, Druze, Sunni, atheists/apostates, Gazans, Egyptian, “Jordanian”, etc.; and they mostly hate each other and would wage war against each other if there were a single Palestinian state. 2. The Gazans in particular are themselves victims of Hamas, their imams and mullahs and educators and the Palestinian leaders and their supporters (Qatar, Iran and even Western sympathizers) who oppress them ruthlessly and indoctrinate them and their children. Some, like Mosab Hassan Yousef (Son of Hamas), began by believing what they are told or exposed to in the media or at school or in the community, and are prepared to wage war, kill and become martyrs because of sheer ignorance and stupidity (or the inability to question the facts as presented to them). How do deal with people like that? Are they enemies (because they’re pointing a gun at your head with the intention of pulling the trigger) or are they victims that need help (like a wild tiger that has developed a taste for human flesh)? There are dissidents or moderates, but they are viciously silenced (often killed). Likewise for the non-believers or apostates. Mosab, at least, had the “good fortune” to be arrested by the Israelis when he was still a low-grade terrorist and soon realized that it wasn’t the Israelis who are the enemy, but Hamas itself. He experienced for the first time in his life what it was like to be respected as an individual, given the freedom to decide for himself, and treated humanely by the “evil occupiers”. 3. Israel started the process of implementing a Two-State Solution when it unconditionally handed Gaza over to the Arabs in 2005. But instead of all the “Palestinians” and their supporters celebrating their opportunity to build a sovereign state (and strive towards a Singapore of the Middle East, with infrastructure, opportunities for Arabs and Palestinians to develop themselves and their businesses, create FTAs with Israel, Egypt, Turkey, EU, SE Asia, USA/Canada/Australia, and to become a beacon for Palestinian identity and self-rule), they voted in Hamas, who then killed the twin ideas of a Two-State Solution and Palestinian Prosperity stone dead in 2007 and beyond. 4. The notion of identity or historical “rights” to the land or sovereignty or even religious expression is outdated and irrelevant. The Aboriginals aren’t;t fighting a war with Australia for the lands that they have occupied for the past 30,000 years (!), nor are the Native Americans fighting the USA to recapture the lands stolen from them (in fact the various tribes were mostly at war with each other for centuries before the Europeans arrived and also have no homogenous identity either). And so on for similar peoples around the world whose ancestors have lost their lands to colonialists or overseas investors or military invasions (Tibet, the Uighurs, the Rohingya, Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Crimea, etc) The issue now is (should be) about *equality* and freedom to live one’s life as one sees fit (freedom of movement, right to purchase property, freedom of expression,freedom of religion AND the freedom to not practice any religion without fear of reprisals or death, and opportunities to work or build a business and sink or swim as in any market economy, with safety nets for the ill, the lazy and the retarded, and protection against fraud and health hazards and exploitation). Who or what the ruling classes are is somewhat irrelevant, as it is in the USA or UK. (The issue then becomes about voting equality and equal representation and dealing with corruption and lobbying, rather than political or religious identity.) One can still be a Palestinian under Israeli rule, just as there are Jews, Christians and Arab Muslims and atheists living under Israeli rule now (usually with the right to vote or represent your group in the Knesset). 5. The only solution left is to wipe out Hamas and divest from any group that supports terrorist activities against Israel (and therefore the Palestinians), for the Palestinians and their sympathizers to renounce violence, lay down their arms and accept Israel as the defacto legal nation in the region. And to (horror!) give up the aspirations for nationhood in a separate state. There cannot be one (in fact, there would have to be several, see 1.) because the opportunity or even relevance of a separate state has long passed.
They have been told that Jews took their land due to colonialism and apartheid and they see Netanyahu with his sort of brash dismissive character which they associate with right wing facism that is on the rise in America with the words apartheid and colonialism flashing in their heads which really strikes a chord with the Black population and the struggles they faced in America and Whites who did not supports such things usually on the liberal side. Universities are all about inclusiveness and more supportive of liberal values, and they do not want to be associated with the word Islamophobia as the right is known for so that blocks them from scrutinizing the theology (when they really should) as Muslims somehow convinced everyone that it is also racist, as the word is Zionism flashing in their head, and they see Jews holding the most the power so then it becomes the big man beating up on the little guy and they simply run with the Pro Palestine narrative without looking any further into the conflict. It's not because they are immoral or anti Jew, they truly want to do the right thing it's just that they have been misinformed.
I disagree with some of your views, although there was a time I would have agreed. I think it’s willful ignorance. They choose to not know the facts. We live in the Information Age so there is no excuse for being misinformed. Our campuses have abandoned academia for activism. The Germans were considered a civilized society yet quickly devolved into feral barbarians. As one mother of a murdered child said, “Hatred is easy.”
Israel is non existent for PLO, HAMAS, Qatar, Iran, Lebanon, Al Jazeera etc. They consider Israelis were thrust upon them and their land by western axis power. Second, Islam doesn't recognize any religion other than their own. Palestinians are not like any religious groups where other religion, philosophy is also welcome any religious group or invaders in their land are accepted. Even though Jews were earliest inhabitants in that land but driven away for 1000+ years. So both can not co-exist peacefully ... this conflict will never end. This is an existential threat to Jews in Israel and elsewhere. Anyway given the way things are developing, they will find it very hard to live peacefully in western Europe in near future. - Ex Muslim
And it will become increasingly difficult for Christians too. This is a religious war that is heating up with Islam and secularists(atheists) pitted against Jews, Christians and then Islam against everyone else.
No No need to ban But have a open debate in campuses which is objective in nature The problem is that opposite point of view is not finding any voice at campuses because of mob backlash.
"from the river to the sea" is basically the same as saying "bring back Auschwitz", I'm beyond sickened to hear people I used to respect calling for another holocaust.
I ❤ israel she has walked the paths of Almighty God. With God, Israel will prevail with men. It is as I have read the meaning of the word. Israel is the name given to Jacob by the Almighty himself. It means you have been strong with God. You shall prevail with men. The God of Israel never takes back his word faithful and true. May God's will for Israel prevail. As a beliver in Jesus in my heart, May she be blessed as the light of nations. Great righteous light has come from the land and people of the holy bible. To me in my heart it is the birthplace of the light given onto men.
Never has the world felt so unstable and insane. Im really embarassed for the American response to such a tragedy. I apologize on behalf of my country for my peers. Trump really tipped the scales.
Trump was de-escalating foreign wars, the first President in 30 years you can say that for. You think it was a coincidence that the Russia and Israeli conflicts started with Biden in office?
@@johndiraimo1444 my guess would be she dedicated the last several years of her life to Trump being the worst thing in the history of all things, and she can't really articulate why Biden's shortcomings are his fault (because they aren't), but she still wants to blame Trump anyway.
You asked why. Just follow the money in academia from Russia, USSR in the past, China and Saudi Arabia. The recent Confucius Institutes on campuses was a great example of academia accepting money without close scrutiny.
I think that it's less anti-war or pro-Hamas than anti-Jew. Without the latent, widespread and deep animosity against Jews that until now I didn't realize was still this big, among people I didn't realize possessed it, I don't think that we'd see these sorts of protests promoting these sorts of messages so aggressively and pervasively. I'm not saying that the protesters are not anti-war and that some are not even pro-Hamas, as these things are always overdetermined. But I think that most of this feeds upon deeply-held antisemitic views and feelings that are usually more submerged but which this situation has allowed to come to the fore and so virulently. When Jews do something arguably bad, it's often responded to much worse than when non-Jews does such things. Or else how to explain the utter lack of comparable protests against Russia, Syria and Saudi Arabia, who have done far worse things in recent years? I can think of no other explanation than antisemitism.
Yes, I am trying to make sense of this.. it is very confusing.. How can people protest for a perpetrator, against a victim.. it is highly unusual.. Either the victim is really a perpetrator (which is what often happens), or I don't know enough about the situation.. I am inclined to abstain from any judgment.. I will be supportive of the victim, based upon this specific atrocity.. however, will not make any further decisions until I understand the situation more appropriately..
I applaud your wanting more information before holding an opinion. The history of this most important piece of land is well explained on this site. It’s important to know this is not a political war. It is a religious Jihad. God bless!
I also think that it's awesome how you really seem to want to know the truth. Too many people are quick to judge. Education is always important. A good place I would start people is the book Israel by Noa Tishby. It's a good read and explains a lot of the historical and political nuances without being too confusing.
At 24:01 Mr. Ghate makes me think of Fedrick, Nietzsche and his character the tarantula: “equality! Equality! We must have equality! For, after all, what is equality, but that the universe be filled with the storms of our revenge against all for whom we are not their equal.“
I'm pro-Isreal which means that I don't agree with everything IDF does. I'm studying in an Ivy league university and I'm afraid of speaking my mind about this war -- I don't want to isolate myself from literally all of my colleagues.
Dig down and comprehend what YOU mean by "pro-Israel" or "I support Israel" What exactly does that mean? Take all the time in the world to do this before launching yourself on the public.
The UK government already placed that terror group on an official list, in 2021, and made it illegal to support or promote it within the nation. That carries a punishment of up to 15 years in prison. Authorities have not been seen to act on this at all thus far despite the inciteful chants being shouted during protests. Incitement is also a crime within the UK.
13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, He questioned His disciples: “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” 14They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15“But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?” 16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
13 When Tony Stark came to Valhalla, he questioned Thor: "Yo, bro, Jarvis is not finding any wifi signal here. Where is the nearest and best Shawarma?" 14 Thor replied, "Some say Abdul ran the best shawarma, but that was before Ragnarok, and still others say it is Muhamed near the ruins of the palace." 15 "But what about you?", asked Tony. "What do you say, MacOdin"? 16 Thor answered, "Are thou not Iron Man? Can thine quest for food not resolve itself in a vain attempt to eat some ground cereal mixed with olive oil and surrounded with part cooked sheep? Have thee a proper feast, son of Howard Stark! ".
the fact that Israel did not exist before 1947 and never existed in any map then but Palestine has been there. Yet the foreign jews forced Israel to exist but in other people's homeland by wiping the native off the map instead. why blame the hamas because west bank has no hamas yet IDF still murdering innocent women n children. the only solution now is Israel to abide the international law. Return the rights of those native people whose homeland Israel stole by granting them citizenship equal to new foreign jews are enjoying in ISrael. no 2 state solutions needed and hamas will automatically disband.
Mandate Palestine reffered to the whole land encompassing gaza , Israel, Jordan and parts of Syria. The jews wanted a state of their own due to Arab Muslim persecution, the Jews we're never the aggresors 5 of the 20 arab league nations waged a war agaisnt the jews in 1948 , it is telling that Iraq , Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan who have never have anything to do with jews sought it right to attack them and annihilate them in 1948 There was enough land for an Arab state and a Jewish state. The issue was never Palestinian vs Jew After the 1948 war , didn't the Arab Muslim world expell 1 million jews whom all fled to the newly created state of Israel? Has anyone ever told you that contributed to Zionism 650,000 Arabs we're displaced during the 48 war , they all settled in the westbank and gaza Jordan annexed the westbank and Egypt annexed Gaza, for 18 years ( 1948-1967) it never occurred to Arafat that their lands we're annexed by fellow arabs and neither did they ever demand a state of their own rather they chose jihad and waged a second war against Israel in 1967 in which they lost and they ended up loosing the westbank and gaza too Until the arabs take accountability for the anti-Semitism propagated in their religious scriptures there'll never be peace The first line of the Hamas constitution is - Israel will exist until Islam wipes it off the face of the earth
@@danieljakes5949 jewish problem was the ancient roman problem. Nothing Arabic nor pals problem about those roman some 3k yrs ago. Blame them for all your suffering. Native pals belong to their homeland so the polish ben gurion n his foreign jewish legions. Their homeland is not palestine except for the native jews of pals. Who are the minority. Your jewish lies cant sell to legalize your jewish claim. Ben gurion can return to poland for guaranteed citizenship so with other foreign jews can return to their countries of origin. The native pals have longed fought for pals independence from the brits until you foreign jews invaded n stole it from them by making pact with that brit balfour. That is the historical facts prior to 1947. israel doesnt not exist if every foreing jew return home after ww2. Sorry...
I agree with many things but I disagree with others. I agree that the anti-war movement was inherently wrong and I think it was used by the USSR, China, and many totalitarian regimes. Even the war in Vietnam was a support of the Southern Vietnamese for a more democratic regime. We see the difference between South Korea and North Korea. Vietcong committed many war crimes, but the society only focused on the US. I grew up in the USSR and when I moved to the US and met people who ran away from Vietnam I realized the other part of the story, that the USSR never disclosed. Still, I see that the protests back then helped the US to reform. The US created a more professional army and stopped the use of the draft, monitored the training and psychological conditions of the soldiers, and developed more precise weaponry to minimize casualties. Agree with you on Iraq. It might be was not a priority but it was a legitimate action against a tyrannic Saddam's regime. I disagree with your interpretation of egalitarity. It is not to take away the results of your labor. It is about equal opportunities for every player. If you are from an aristocratic family with a lot of money you have a better choice of opportunities, and if you are from a poor family you might never will be able to achieve anything because you will be looking for any job to survive. Taxes don't have a goal to take all the money that you made, but a goal to take your power to suppress other people who want to pursue maybe a better approach than yours in business. It is totally legit and promotes individualism. That is why a successful person definitely should enjoy their nice house or yacht or multiple properties, but they should not have money to influence the market in their favor. And it is the principle that defends individualism for all, not just for the Dugin's great men ;) Collectivism is also a wrong term. There was no collectivism in the USSR. There was individualism to the max. The great man rose to the small group of leaders (Central Committee of the Communist Party) and they considered the rest of the population as a uniform collective mass. It was not the collective mass that suppressed the individuals it was a few tyrants that suppressed everyone, sometimes using the less educated ignorant people that are easy to manipulate. In the USA or any other democracy sometimes people have common interests. For example in a time of economic recession and huge unemployment, the job market is the employer's market and workers can unite to push for better laws like minimal wages. In the long run, it will benefit the employers too because it will support the demand for the products that businesses make. But the short-term interests often prevail. On the other side of collectivism for rich people is the monopoly, trust, that fortunately is regulated in the US by Antitrust law, although maybe not enough. However, the common interests have a danger of falling into tribalism. I agree here as well. We see sometimes ultra-left groups that pressure the interests of the group when it already doesn't benefit individuals. We see it in ultra-right as well, as fascism.
I’m a liberal. I do not like Ayn Rand at all. I also know the history of Middle East. I know the idea of a Palestinians ethnicity is pure crap, and the narrative against Israel is bull. I’m losing friends over this by the minute, but I will stick by Israel. Liberalism should not be used as a guise to destroy liberalism, and that is what is being done here. This isn’t about land. It’s always been about ideology.
@@glaze1106well they don't kill in the name of YAHWEH, neither do they chant allahu Akbar when they murder , neither do they call religious minorities infidels and kuffar
hallelujah! they were likely exposed to the truth of islams teachings in its wake. Taqiya is so massive. Without Lies Islam Dies. youtube Christian Prince
@theamrad You can say whatever you want. talk is cheap. are you going to kill every jew, yes or no. did muhammed rapewomen and children? did muhammed behead women for laughing at him? lets see if you lie.
@theamrad "it is not lawful to lie except in three cases: Something the man tells his wife to please her, to lie during war, and to lie in order to bring peace between the people."
@theamrad with no taqiya you will be proud about the scumbag muhammed who cursed orphan children and not lie and call him the greatest man when quran 48:2 calls him a sinner and Isa is PURE sinless and holy 19:19
The "Ikveta D'Meshicha" or the "footsteps of the Messiah" is a term used in the Talmud to describe the period leading up to the arrival of the Messiah. This time is prophesied to be one of great upheaval and difficulty for the Jewish people. (Sotah 49b, Sanhedrin 97a) The societal norms that typically guide behavior and morality may become blurred or even inverted during this time. This could lead to a state where discerning between good and evil becomes increasingly challenging. It's a time of moral ambiguity where the usual ethical guidelines might not hold, leading to confusion and potentially, a breakdown of societal order. This period is seen as a test of faith and resilience for the Jewish people. Despite the hardships, it's also a time of hope as it heralds the coming of the Messiah. The challenges faced during this period are considered part of the process that will ultimately lead to redemption and the Messianic era.
What the heck is that supposed to mean? Do you think Israel was made by German colonists? Israel was created by a mix of European refugees and indigenous Jews who had lived in the land for THOUSANDS of years. It was created as a state for Jewish people that accepts all cultures and religions. Is it perfect and does it always live up to those ideals? No, but what country does? It's a democracy striving to be democratic as much as any other country. After WWII, despite the atrocities perpetrated by German people towards the Jews, the Germans didn't want them there. To say they "should have made it in Germany" is an ignorant statement. Please, read some history books.
@@yeshevishman What I should have said is that they should have made another country in Germany. Here are pro Israel and Palestine claims I found. My solution is to shrink Israel, make Israel 2, and arm Palestine. Some claims I hear: Pro Palestine: 1) Israeli settlements are on stolen land. 2) Palestinian protests are stopped in Israel. 3) Higher casualty rate 4) I hear that Jews need a country for safety. They could also make a country in Germany. Pro Israel: 1) They have more democracy and rights. 2) They have Palestinian citizens, and they make more money. Palestine doesn't have Israeli citizens. 3) Jews get hurt in neighboring countries. 4) Hamas uses human shields. Burden of proof: I give the underdogs the benefit of the doubt. Defending your moral arguments is harder when you're weak and oppressed. Guilty civilians: Citizens have some responsibility for what their government does. They can move to another country, or resist and avoid taxes. Israel requires military service. My solution: Have Israel give a lot of land, arms, and money to Palestine. The amount is based on moral points. Make Israel 2 in Germany. Because of Nazi crimes, Israelis would have the moral authority to relocate Germans. Reparations would be calculated accurately for each person's ancestoral crimes and oppression.
I have lost two friends over this, one was 37 and the other was 69, so its not just kids. The younger one, a woman, is just in general a bitter person I think and anti-semitic (which I didn't realise) and the older one is likewise, and anti-semite, which I kind of suspected but this confirmed it. So maybe for the students its nihilism, but for others it really is just anti-semitism. Just my opinion.
I think anti-west is more relevant than the anti-Semitism, and there are elements of both, but I'm willing to bet both of the people you referenced are also the "America sucks, capitalism is bad" type of people. That's the common thread they have with Muslim extremists, it took me a while to catch on to that, since they're ideologically so different, but the one thing the far left and Islam have in common is they want to destroy western culture.
Nihilism is primary driver behind Jew-hatred. It's because Jews are a largely successful, intelligent, non-sacrificial group that they're so hated and despised.
This. I've always kind of dismissed antisemitism as mostly a fringe thing, that many people might hold vaguely negative views of Jews but don't actually hate or fear them. Now I'm starting to believe that the numbers are much higher and the fear, loathing and anger much greater, but simply get suppressed most of the time because it's seen as socially unacceptable and politically incorrect, and situations like this make it suddenly acceptable if not necessary to bring such views to the fore. What I want to know is, why such negative feelings towards Jews, and what is it about Jews that make so many people view them so negatively and have such strongly negative feelings towards them, especially in a world increasingly secular so it can't only be about religion anymore but more cultural and social given that Judaism is both a religion and ethnicity that's associated with certain cultural and social attributes and behaviors whether accurately or not. What is it about Jews that makes so many people hate and mistrust them so much? I genuinely want to know.
@@HabaneroTi I'm 31. I had never considered antisemitism a major issue in any place other than the Islamic world for my entire life. It's only after the past 3-6 years that I have really started considering Jew hatred a real problem. I started noticing it with the ((())) echoes some years back and seeing nothing but apathetic silence from the so-called "good guys."
You cannot conflate solidarity with the innocent Palestinians to solidarity with Hamas. The opinion of most notable figures in the Palestinian side have explicitly condemned Hamas. However Israel has not offered any sort of solution to liberate Palestine at all, except for levelling the entire country and we know historically they have used these opportunities to establish their own settlements and annexing the land of the Palestinians. Because if this everyone is skeptical about Israelis narrative, they have conflated the entire Palestinian population with Hamas, as they have with this conversation to justify what they are doing, and people aren’t buying it. Palestinians are suffering far worse under Israel occupation than they are under Hamas, and as a legitimate world power and the occupying nation Israel has a responsibility to tread carefully. The condemnation of Israel is well deserved here.
After the 1948 war , Jordan annexed the westbank and Egypt annexed Gaza, for 18 years Palestinians we're treated as refugees in a land they'd have already established a state of their own . Yasin Arafat never condemned the Jordanian and Egyptian occupation of their lands. After the 1967 war waged by arabs towards Jews, Israel annexed gaza , westbank and the sinai peninsular for strategic Reasons. So why a two state? Its the inability of muslims to cohabitate with jews due to the pure anti-Semitism advocated in the Quran The hadith that states that the final hour will not reach till all muslims kill all jews could possibly explain the mentality Muslims have towards jews The problem isn't where Israel exists rather it is that it exists in the first place
If that were the case, then why are they all chanting "From the river to the sea"? That's saying Israel has NO RIGHT TO EXIST as a sovereign nation. The problem is that most Palestinians are educated to believe that Israel has no right to exist as a sovereign nation. If you look at the overall history, Israel has tried to GIVE the Palestinians their own land and they refused to take it, stating that "there will be no treaty as long as Israel exists." And who are these "notable figures" on the Palestinian side condemning Hamas? When this whole thing started, I searched for days online to try and find statements from all sides, and found few, if any, pro-palistinians who condemned Hamas's actions completely. The MOST I've gotten is "well, they're not right, but I understand why they're doing so..." Oh really? It's understandable that they attacked civilians screaming Kill the Jews, kidnapped and raped civilians, and tortured children and posted the videos online saying "Look how strong we are"? Now, maybe I might have missed some people who did say otherwise, but if I did, I ask you to please help me find them so I can learn from my mistakes. Solidarity with innocent Palestinians is fine in my book, but what are you actually looking to put in place of Hamas? Is there a political faction saying that Palestinians should, ya know, overthrow their own corrupt government before dealing with the one on their borders?
It was the Ukraine regime who started an eight years war against ukrainian people with russian culture in Donbas in 2014. Russia didn't start it. The United States and their european satellites did, promoting a coup with neonazi elements against the democratically elected government to turn Ukraine into an anti-russian country and invite it into NATO. Russia came into Ukraine to defend the life of the Donbas people under the R2P doctrine, just like NATO did in Libya.
For more commentary on this issue, read the beginning of Elan Journo's book here, for free: bit.ly/3QABEO2
this not about anything of the "peace movement" (right or wrong) the point is about the ProPalestine Movement which is not about peace..
they may try and co-op the peace movement.. but only when the Palestinians are suffering negatively from violence...
yes now we are hearing calls for ceasefire.. but where were these calls from these people on the 7th Oct.. or the 8th or 9th.. or even on the 6th
I dont remember jeremy corbyn calling for peace in the middle east in 2022 asking for a descalation or trying to tell Hamas to de-arm..
the supporters of Palestine talk about the "right of armed resistance" that is not a peace movement. that is taking one side in a conflict. (and then complaining about the consequences)
the ProPalestinian movement is a war movement, they support armed actions and violence.. just listen to them
"Nothing is good or bad but thought makes it so."
America: Muslim Vs Christian
Europe: Muslim Vs Christian
India: Muslim Vs Hindu/ Buddhist
Bangladesh: Muslim Vs Hindu
Pakistan: Muslim Vs Buddhist
Myanmar: Muslim Vs Buddhist
Israel: Muslim Vs Jewish
The rest of the WORLD can’t all be wrong!!!!
I honestly think nihilism is very misunderstood as a concept and should not be equated with this destructive ideology of hamas. Actual nihilists, are not that bad at basic game theory as to support an ideology that has potential to start world war 3 and nuclear winter. Most either find a meaning in the world, or go the ubermensch route or simply live in crystal clear understanding of the world passively as part of its systems.
@@luxeadawnlight i dont know about game theory thats too modern for me..
but; real nihilists understand that all things are equal and therefor add up to nothing, they understand that all action is futile and irrelevant.. therefore they have no goals other than accepting the finite futility of life. they may then choose a form of distraction which would most probably lead to Hedonism, or probably depression
no goals.. no processable actions. therefore no position.. therefore.. what ever
so Hamas that has a goal (the final world caliphate of all Islam on Earth to bring Allah and a final destruction of all impurities) they are not technically Nihilists they are fundamentalist Islamic absolutists.. but to an outsider we can attribute their behaviours, beliefs and values to be nihilistic (from our perspective if we do not believe in their narrow beliefs).
So to do something (Nihilistic) and to be something (a Nihilist) is not always synonymous Another example could be “your action is crazy but you are not crazy”
As Paul Spiegel, former chairman of the Jewish Council of Germany once said:
“The call for peace provides shelter for murderers.”
Agreed. A ceasefire works in israel's favor only ~ not the Palestinian civilians and certainly not Hamas.
A ceasefire would still allow israel to withhold food water and medical supplies for the Palestinians ~ not just the bombs.
Jews have certainly come full circle.
Holocaust 1.0 was inflicted by others on the Jews.
Holocaust 2.0 is now being inflicted by the Jews on 'others'.
Israel has a helluva way of acquiring property they want to own using the blood of another group of people as payment.
Who will be next after the Palestinians???
Douglas Murray had it right when he said …
“It is like a flare has gone up at night and for a split second you can see where everyone stands”
He is more right than he knows.
Too many people today have forgotten about 911. Many Americans today were not even born when that attack happened and are clueless about the world around them.
The oppressor always complains when the oppressed reacts to being oppressed by the oppressor, the oppressor then sheds '000s of crocodile tears. Always have always will.
Shame on Israel.
Shame on the IDF.
Shame on Netanyahu.
Shame on their continued killing of innocent children.
@@hitreset0291shame on you, you have no right to hide behind the deaths of children when you support child murderers
America funded isis😂😂@@MAX3D2
This war opened my eyes to just how much antisemitism is embedded in higher education.
And how much there is both on the far right and far left. Probably even more aggressive on the far left.
Richard Feynam often discussed a run in with a professor at Cornell University; explains some of this morning's events?
It's honestly ridiculous joshua frank... at this point there's hardly any difference between the left and right
Leftists have denied it for a while, but Karl Marx wrote an essay titled "On the Jewish Question" where he goes on a horrific antisemitic rant about how the Jew's only religion is money, they're all "greedy hucksters" and that a hatred of capitalism is a hatred of Jews and Judaism.
Now we are seeing that thought really manifest itself in the modern left.
It's weird how they have flipped too. Just a few months ago when they pretended to care about "far right antisemitism" they'd argue Jews weren't white, and that antisemitism was a symptom of "white supremacy". Now that they hate Jews, Jews are suddenly white people oppressing "brown minorities".
@@bigmouthstrikesagain4056 well one major difference is the far right is a fringe faction that's widely disavowed by conservatives, libertarians, and every other moderate person that aligns themselves more with the right than left. The far left is an ever expanding, militarized arm of liberals and democrats, that they consistently downplay, run cover for, and outright deny the existence of, depending on what excuse they think they can get away with. Far right and far left are both bad, but the far right is barely relevant.
I grew up in the 1970s and although we learned about the holocaust, it seemed remote, like something from another age. One thing I was absolutely sure of was that when civilized society said “never again” it was unthinkable that such barbarity would ever be seen again - at least in Europe.
To see huge marches in London calling for Jihad, or Stars of David being daubed on the front doors of Jewish households in Berlin, just chilled me to the bone. None of my cosy assumptions seem justifiable anymore.
IT SHAMES US ALL. Am Yisrael chai.
Starting to see why the left has been so adamant about controlling what history is taught?
The west is declining, but the battle it is not lost
The left are good at organising protests, they know how to rent a mob. Unfortunately as they did in Iran, they may succeed in bringing these Islamists to power across the west.
@@camphor_dance”Not unique”. Liar, it certainly was. When did we hear 6 million of them packed to the gas chambers in concentration camps within just a span of 3 years? And if Nazi Germany hadn’t stopped they would’ve scouted for more Jews and dissidents from all over Europe into their furnaces!
It freaks me out that 4 replies were hidden. I’m sure they were real nice….. I dropped out of university in the early 2000’s because I saw the anti white male nihilist collectivist propaganda everywhere! I was branded from day one. It happened in my private white Christian high school and I’m in the southern United States !
They were going after every tenured conservative truth teller in every university first. They silenced them. Then they took complete control of all of our academic institutions.
I have no idea how we undo this mess!
Please share this video, everyone. The terrorist sympathizers cannot be permitted to justify their nihilistic hatred for mankind and the innocent.
Sympathy for Palestine is pro terrorism now?
"The terrorist sympathizers" Who are you trying to persuade with this ridiculous comment|? Most people opposing the Israeli action are people who don't like seeing children killed. It is that simple. You are alienating the whole world by conflating that with terrorism.
The zionist state of Israel is a terrorist state that's guilty of war crimes and atrocities for the last 70 yrs.
So objectively, you're the terrorist sympathizer...
Every fucking where.. amazing howmany of them are
The Israelites are the terrorists. You might want to look into it more and not believe people like these who are COMPLETELY dismissing Israel's GENOCIDE of Palestine. I took down my Israel flag. I've thought of burning it. IT'S THAT BAD. Then you have people like this turning a total blind eye. Unreal.
Your own words apply to Israel. Wake up.
I don’t even feel safe here in Sydney! I’m absolutely shocked seeing angry people attacking the Jews and the Jewish Museum here 🤯
True Colours have been revealed now
I’ve lost all respect for any
‘Pro Palestinian’ cause now
Thank you, jews around the world feel like this, very sad! Yet, white house spokeswoman claims there are no threats to jews, utterly gutted by her antisemitic comments that fuels the hatred even more and legalises this ideology!
There are 15 million Jews in the whole world. Muslims are over 2.2 billion. With only 20% of them sympathizing with the Palestinians, and only 3% willing to take their opinion to the extreme... We are talking about 500 million very angry Muslims, and another 80 million, many of whom are scattered around the world, who are ready to take their opinion to the extreme. And that's without the anti-Semites, haters of Christians and haters of the West who would be happy to join.
The most frustrating part about this whole conflict is being repeatedly told by academics, misinformed/ignorant friends & media pundits, and public "intellectuals" to not believe our lying eyes and ears about these people and what their intentions truly are. The moral confusion in our civilization and inability to accept reality and call things by their rightful name is truly depressing.
Well said. Spot on.
This very video/ channel is platform for misinformation. These s9 called "academics" are part of this very information war you are referencing
Especially when one only needs to read the Quran to understand what a fundamentalist Islamist believes. To assume they do not believe what they overtly claim to believe ..... well how do I say this without offending......
Many of these folks, are the same people who date an abusive partner, and keep trying to change them. Saying, oh, they are trying to change, really, they didn't know what they were doing.
I mean there are also the naive and ignorant in other regard, but the general person that takes part in these, they think they are on the right side of morality and humanism. The issue to me is why they think that in the first place.
And I think part of it, aside from this this intense naive nature, is an intense narcissism, authoritarian minded control addicts, who do not have an actual moral compass and thus depend on an outside source for their morality. Like legalism. Like Quran. Like marxism masquerading as "liberalism". Consider someone like Norman Finkelstein. People actually respect him, but he's incredibly ignorant and I think completely morally corrupt. He just repeats cheap legalism, over and over, as if international law were the definitive metric on morality, and what is just.
@@camphor_dance Well I agree with some of what you said, about stereotping at least.
But Finkelstein is a naive, morally infantile, or maybe just morally corrupt, marxist ideologue who pushes, insane modern social justice rhetoric and hardline legalism, even if the justness of those legalities are at best questionable and at worst, completely supportive of terror and aggression.
A sort of unwitting nihilism. Or maybe witting. It's hard to say what someone actually understands.
So it's no surprise that other naive marxists, who view everything through the lens of a power dynamic, would feel reassured by his childish ideas.
And make no mistake, they are incredibly childish. It's a child's conceptualization of morality, social dynamics, economics and justice. It completely depends on the fallacy of misleading context, or removed context.
It's utterly simple minded.
@@camphor_dance The A. Rand Institute YT has some wonderful videos that might educate you on why the ideology behind Finkelstein's words are deceptive and morally corrupt. And maybe then you'll understand why the fundamentalist Islamist Palestinian national movement, which is NOT an ethno-national movement, has been an absolute sham from the beginning. It's a theologically driven ACTUAL colonialist project. Lol. As pretty much the accusations made at Israel, are projections of things the Pal authority and predecessors are actually guilty of. Like attempted ethnic cleansing, like apartheid under Mandatory Palestine due to British interests in the Arab world, like the British support of the Palestinian movement and NOT the Jews or Israel, like the Jewish land and homes stolen throughout the years, like the fact that this is an 80 year long continuous war being waged against Israel with hot and cold periods, like the oppression of the "Palestinian'" people and why they have no rights, well, you get the drift I'm sure.
They got some great ones. Like:
Did Israel Steal Palestinian land? ----- Which doesn't touch on the modern settlement issue, which is far more debatable than the original claims of stolen "Palestinian" land, which are mostly bunk.
And
Making sense of the Israel Palestine conflict.
And many others.
Good luck with that.
I am an Israel citizen, and once I thought that antisemitism was in the past, but ow boy, I was so wrong.
I do not see an end without at least a massive Islamic reformation. Do hold tour breath.
I thought jews were too sensitive when I saw them eyeing everyone as a potential threat whenever I came across them, thinking the same as you, I get it now.
Hi Eraser, what do say about some of the Jews in the West saying not in Our Hands? Are they truly Israelis?
@@newug3347 You do understand that there are marriages not just in Jew but also other inter-marriage existing right? Are they required to follow the Jewish customs or can the offsprings follow other customs of another religion or culture?
I blame hamas for this and i blame isreal for hamas. Half a decade brutal occupation, apartheid and massacres tends to cause radicalism. The Israeli are the enemy of the jewish people, their actions put all jews around the world in danger, which is unfortunate, because most jews want nothing to do with this government.
I’ve never been religious but this whole thing has caused me to seek Christianity….I’ve never prayed as much as I have since all of this has started. I pray for Israel 🇮🇱
Welcome Leigh!
There is no other faith that requires repentance, faith, and love for Salvation. Our sin’s consequences were paid for through Christ’s death. That is the purest act of a Father’s love.
You can not beleave how hard it is to be a jewish israeli. Those words are comferting. Thank you❤
Now the imaginary voice inside your head that you talk to known as this invisible sky wizard has made you part of the problem. Your religious BELIEFS will confuse your objective logic. Don't forget 10% of Palestinians are Coptic or Oriental Orthodox Christians! Do they support the jihad of Hamas? Do the Coptic Christians in Gaza deserve to have ZERO food water or medicine in the last 3 weeks? Do the Coptic Christians in East Jerusalem deserve to ride a separate and inferior bus to work on separate and inferior roads and if they get into an accident do they deserve to go a separate and inferior hospital further away because of the colour of their skin? Is this what Jesus wants for some of his oldest believers? The TRUTH is Israel is a government with a military commiting commiting war crimes in an apartheid state against Muslims, Christians, and Druze only based on the color of their skin!
I blame hamas for this and i blame isreal for hamas. Half a decade brutal occupation, apartheid and massacres tends to cause radicalism.
It's an act of bravery to know your beliefs, especially today when belief itself is unpopular.
85 percent of these protesters couldn’t find Israel on a map. To be fair, I’m having a hard time finding Palestine. It seems like it doesn’t exist and never has? 😮
As a state Palestine hasn't. But there are still people who reside in that land who, for the sake of understanding, we call Palestinians
@@TheConquest88they called themselves that since the early 1960s (first PLO Charter 1964).
From 1920-1948 it was the local Jews who used the name (Palestine Philharmonic, Palestine Post newspaper, Palestine pavilion at world fair, Palestine national football team that attempted to qualify for the 34 and 38 World Cups and toured Australia).
The mandate banknotes etc had ‘Palestine’ in English, Arabic and Hebrew. The Hebrew instance read ‘Palestine (E.I.), the abbreviation meaning Eretz Israel or Land of Israel. The Arabs demanded a customisation of their own. They wanted ‘Southern Syria’.
The 1947 UN partition resolution talks about an Arab state and a Jewish state. The Arab militias who the attacked the Jews were the Arab Liberation Army and the Army of the Holy War. The Arab leadership body was the Arab Higher Committee.
In June 1967, a load of ‘Jordanians’ became ‘Palestinians’ overnight.
Corey Gil-Shuster has a vox pop with West Bank Arabs asking them if they are different from Jordanians etc. interesting replies.
@@secallen thanks, I understand your point, but this is semantic - the historic use of the term 'Palestine'. What I am referring to is the people who have been residing and who we now refer to as 'Palestinians'. Regardless of how you want to call them or the land they were living on, they were living there and they have rights, no?
@@TheConquest88 of course, but there are many clans, religions, nationalities who resided there. None of them had the right to attack their neighbour and steal their land as the Muslims did. They stole the land in the 7th century (from Byzantine thieves), and when the Jews organised and bought back overpriced land they assumed they could just steal it again. The Jews fought back. The Arab states invaded but failed to destroy the Jews. So they destroyed their own Jewish communities instead (who existed before the Muslim conquests). More than half of Israeli Jews are refugees from Muslim countries. Israel has 20% non-Jewish minority mostly arab Muslims. Muslim states have zero Jews and other minorities are dwindling.
@@TheConquest88 i think the point is that they never identified as a people, definitely not as the Palestinian people, prior to 1960. they saw themselves as just arabs. Egyptian/Jordanian/Syrian at best. the Palestinian people is modern invention that was brought up as a response to the state of Israel not going anywhere.
They see the situation as oppressed vs oppressor, with Israel of course being the oppressor. "Grrr, oppressor bad, oppressed good. We stand by the oppressed and support whatever it takes for them to overthrow their oppressor." It's a simplistic victim mentality mindset that they see the world through.
Actually, it's Israel, who is the oppressed. Israel is surrounded by countries wanting to destroy it, surrounded by enemies. Israel has been in the history of humanity always been invaded and massacred, and taken als slaves to other countries. Arabers were in history war lords, they invaded and forced other folks to convert to Islam. From North Africa to Europe, India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.
That’s how you know their ideology is rooted in a leftist framework.
@@LeeGeeindeed, and a more psychologically sophisticated perspective on the matter. Would highly recommend the interview with Jordan Peterson just released on Piers Morgan's channel
I think it's strong vs weak mentality.
Since Israël is strong when it hurt the other it is bad, but when the weak hurt the strong it is self defense.
As for me, I see that if the ennemies of Israël had the means that Israël has it would have been worst for Israël rightnow than it is for them.
We should not just look at who is able to cause more damage but we should also look at the hearts and intentions; Hamas want to destroy Israël and among the palestinians they have a lot of support, they were not forced by Hamas to celebrate october 7 for example they rejoiced over the news of deaths and sufferings from the civilians of the other side.
In term of morality they are not innocent.
Israël also obviously is guilty of a lot of sins, but I will not join this agenda the world seems to have to always defend and justify the parties that are weaker just because they are weaker despite their abominable intentions.
Yup, Marxist indoctrination 101. We saw the same in 2020 when the useful idiots were used to get Biden elected. I say that as an actual liberal Democrat, and non Trump supporter, who understood clearly what was going on. Almost felt a little bad for Trump even that they were railroading him so hard and lying to the American public on a daily basis. Which they then bragged about, narcissistically in a Time magazine article where they bragged about all their lies and corruption, that they claimed saved the election.
But they used cheap Marxist rhetoric to rally that chaos and anger, appealing to the lowest common denominator. And that's what they are doing here.
As some so called "prophet" once supposedly said "war is deception". An damn, they are good at it.
Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society. Aristotle:
"The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually ceased or destroyed by the intolerant."
Excellent quote for this time.
@@Inquisetor90
Great comment,
Been thinking about this
question so much recently.
When the tolerant embrace
the intolerant.
Who was Arsehole?
Its adult sized children that will take any excuse they can get to destroy property and make the lives of normal people more unsafe and chaotic. It's really not deeper than that. They're miserable people who hate their lives, and they want you to be miserable too.
Well you're right about the backbenchers followers but the people who are spewing this sort of nonsense in the first row truly believes in that BS! Don't have any doubt about that.
@@NeerajBaid007 nah, the only thing they truly believe in is death and destruction. Anything like Islam is just an excuse to carry out those actions.
They are being scared out of their wits by the adults about the Climate.
Until a few days ago I thought this too, but I think it's also latent antisemitism made manifest by events and the sudden social acceptability of hating on Jews, kind of like how riots turn seemingly "normal" people into looters and sometimes even worse. But, decent people always avoid succumbing to such temptations, so it's got to also be about latent attributes, like being unhappy and angry in general and needing ways to vent it, and antisemitism specifically, directing such anger at Jews when "permitted".
Well said. You are close to the true nature of evil.
As a millenial who is not indoctrinated or brainwashed, I believe this event should be a major wake up call for our parent's generation aka "boomers". Y'all failed to understand what was really happening in these educational institutions which I liken to "re-education centers". Theyre not teaching these kids HOW to think anymore like they were doing back in my dad's days as a Syracuse undergrad in the 1970s. The curriculums are now teaching them WHAT to think, WHAT opinions they need to have to be a "enlightened progressive member of society" aka woke. The West and its traditional held values and beliefs are inherently racist, theyre all a bunch of oppresive colonizers who need to be rooted out so the world can be a better place for all its victims. The fact that these folks have absolutely no coherent thought to what the alternative is goes to show exactly what you guys are saying... its anarchy and nihilism pure and simple. They are absolutely willing to throw themselves and everyone else at the alter of societal self sacrifice and degradation to rid the world of what they deem "bad". As evidenced with this latest spectacle they are also willing to become violent. What happens afterwards? They dont care! As long as they can get rid of traditionally held Western values that ironically enables these clowns to have a platform. Are you understanding now?
The most cruel joke thats being played on those of us in the West is that there is a cost to enabling trash to have a platform on a continuum. There is a cost to allowing twisted ideologies to run rampant and unchecked in our society. There is a cost to allowing morality/priciples to become so flawed and skewed that these folks genuinely believe they are on the right side of history. Scary stuff
Thanks!
People will do atrocities as a group that they would never do individually.
yes, its called mob mentaluty
and takes the form of the
lowest negative expression.
So true. It's pretty warped to have so much passion and rage immediately directed at the victims of such heinous crimes and terrorism while justifying or making excuses for the perpetrators and acting just as the terrorists hoped and predicted. Organized non violent unity for a just cause or serious threat can be helpful and beautiful.
Mob mentality expressed with disregard and impunity is ugly. The violence can be felt, the hysteria can be heard.
Look at Left-wing vocabulary. It's all about "smashing" and "tearing down". It's always anti-something, (which usually means becoming whatever is the opposition.) There's never anything constructive in the rhetoric.
Ha, go to church, they do the same crap.
It's a form of infantilism, a proxy for unresolved issues these people likely still have with their parents, for either not loving them enough, or loving them too much. Not that there aren't legitimate grievances that many people on the left rail against. But it just feels like it's not just that, but something more personal and psychological having nothing to do with whatever they're protesting against, and I can only think that it comes down to parent issues, the cause of most psychological issues of course. But until these people grow up and resolve such issues, I think that they're of limited use as activists and protesters.
@@LeeGee I have to disagree if by LW you mean anyone left of center, which includes liberals and progressives such as myself.
I was specifically thinking of folks on the far left who seem to always be angry about something or someone and needing to protest it, whom I've often referred to as idiots who think that smashing Starbucks windows is legitimate protest or social activism. Those people have clear psych issues.
You don't know anything about what is left wing
@@danielbwestto you, it’s ignorance and hate and envy
What a pleasure to listen to the discussion, where logic exists.
Thank you so much!
Thank you for helping me understand with philosophy. Support Israel.
I'm shocked that too many people are taking the side of darkness...I mean dicatorship, violation of basic human freedom (anti-LBGTQ+ stuff too (I found ironic that most anti-Israel people support those who say explicitly that these people will be killed) in Palestine for having that lifestyle))
More people need to hear this, thanks for talking about this!
A very intelligent, well crafted and eloquent conversation.
The day Nixon announced the end of the Vietnam war, I worked as a pizza deliverer in what was probably the most radically left-wing, counter-culture college town in the Midwest. I remember bracing for dancing in the streets and for at least twice the usual number of pizza orders. There was no dancing though, no parties, no extra pizzas. Just a nothing burger. "We" had finally gotten what we supposedly wanted, but it was obvious nobody cared. If anything, people seemed annoyed, maybe even a little depressed. Was kind of a rude awakening.
Poor guy.
If others can co-exist along with Muslims ?
Unfortunately not!!
Read the history of the following countries and please ask Christans in Turkey, Egypt, Lebanon and many more, Zorastarians and Jews in Iran, Buddhists in Afganisthan, Hindus in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Indonesia.
Co-existance is impossible specially when the Muslim Ashrafs are rulers of the state along with Mullas indoctrination.
Message is same and pretty clear everywhere.
Coexistence with Muslims is completely possible and it is happening in many countries today. Maybe in the past this wasn’t true but the world is diferent now.
I'm not shocked about the pro Palestinian protest, the support for Israel is much much greater.
I hope you are right, but I've got a bad feeling that we are wrong, and that world has taken a nasty turn on its moral axis.
The silent majority.
@illumine1911 No bud, we are fine, we got to be positive that we will win.
No, it is not.
I think the cowards and followers are afraid of offending a billion Muslims. The leaders of society actually have to consider that capitulating to jihadis is an irrevocable evil.
Well, this will be another viral video! ARI is a valuable organisation in these dark days
Thank you for this interview. They were both very well spoken and have answered some difficult questions about the current situation in the Middle East. Very well done and I have learned lots and completely agreed with what they said. Thank You
So the reason hammas is not letting the civilians hide in the tunnels is because they don't think it's their problem
Theres an online photo of an Hamas rifleman near a group of Gazans, shooting at Israelis, presumably assuming that the Israelis wont shoot near the Gazans.
"The aim justifies the means" is one of the greatest falsehoods people tell themselves to justify evil.
Same thing applies to Israel..
No it isnt its just a statement of fact.
@@danielbwestkindly do not justify terrorist acts.
@@estellawong365 He isn't. He is refuting both the murders of innocents committed by Hamas and the murders of innocents committed by Israel.
@@caindarin9665Israel does not murder innocents
Another enlightening discussion. Thankyou gentleman.
I feel the comment by the mother of a murdered child said it perfectly.
“Evil tastes good. Hatred is easy.”
We have too many of them on our British land they are frightening.
Thanks!
Most of them Muslims learn hate also from home
Growing up Muslim I can confirm. Jews are number one on the black list they’re deemed as evil, wicked, sneaky all over the scriptures. I no longer believe in the doctrine keep in mind majority of Muslims didn’t even get to interact with a Jewish person. I am a bisexual guy currently living in Israel Tel aviv, engaged to an Israeli man too. You can only imagine how my community reacted lol.
Wonder informative discussion. Thankyou. Greetings from Australia 🌏🦘
None of the hamasi attacks on Israel have done any good for the Gazans. They have only made the situation of the Gazans worse.
They waved the same flags in my country (Ireland) and were shouting anti Israel slogans. I asked two policemen who are there protesters? They responded by saying they are Muslims ! Ah yeah I responded so they have bought their hatred for the Jews to my country and expect me to bend. Do they not know of our history and culture. Anti colonialism placards , and some Irish people shouting anti colonialism. I asked an Irish young woman, Why aren’t you protesting against the colonialism in your own country? She replied by saying Ireland isn’t being colonized. I replied, The six countries of our country is ruled by Westminster. That’s different she replied. It’s not Israeli. Only the English.🤦♂️
I understand your point and still support Israel as I believe they are actually fighting for existence, literally.
@@cragboom3,they are fighting for whole civilized society..
Thank you for this amazing conversation
Dr Wahid Shaida, aka Abdul Wahid, a practising GP in London, now a JIHADI, celebrated the barbaric Hamas terror attacks that slaughtered 1,400 Jewish men. What the hell is going on in our country ??😎
Given how much antisemitism is contained in the Islamic holy texts, is it paranoia or vigilance to be concerned about Islamic aggression toward Jews?
It also refers to treacherous Christians and that there must be none of them left. But it seems people haven’t become aware of that. I’m sorry I didn’t make a note of the verse (?) numbers.
As Israeli, free speech is crucial. I rather see this moral derangement in the open. I am not afraid of the open discussion. That's why we have discussion like yours in the open. Before it was so difficult to explain the core ideological difference between Israel and the Palestinian causes. It was so difficult to explain the corruption of the mind, the capture of institutions, that happened on the left (as bad or worse than populism on the right). Now it is clear. Let it be exposed. That's the power of free speech too.
Omg, this is one of the best things I've heard recently! You have helped me so much with this comment.
"Philosophy is upstream of everything" Elan Journo *EXACTLY*
Very interesting & informative discussion! Thank you!
Book of Esther chapter 6 verse 13 There Haman told his wife Zeresh and all his friends everything that had befallen him. His advisers and his wife Zeresh said to him, “If Mordecai, before whom you have begun to fall, is of Jewish stock, you will not overcome him; you will fall before him to your ruin.”
Thanks for highlighting the truth
I’m impressed - a distinct departure from this channel’s other woolly discussions and anti-Israel sentiment. Ayn Rand herself was a sloppy thinker and her ideas are clichéd and overly simplistic. When it comes to Israel and the so-called Palestinians, most people seem to overlook the “elephant-in-the-room” facts:
1. There is no one, homogenous Palestinian culture or people. There were Arabs (and Jews and Christians and atheists) living in Palestine during the Ottoman occupation and they were displaced by WWI and the anti-Israel wars from 1948 onwards. The Jews were “cleansed” from the Arab regions in “Palestine” (the greater part of which is now Jordan), the Arabs that were in the now-Israel region were either absorbed into Israel and are now citizens with the same rights as Israelis (albeit with lesser privileges or opportunities similar to the status of blacks in USA) or they ended up as refugees in neighboring Arab countries or they became the present-day “Palestinians”. The latter group are not unified or culturally the same: Muslims, Christians, Druze, Sunni, atheists/apostates, Gazans, Egyptian, “Jordanian”, etc.; and they mostly hate each other and would wage war against each other if there were a single Palestinian state.
2. The Gazans in particular are themselves victims of Hamas, their imams and mullahs and educators and the Palestinian leaders and their supporters (Qatar, Iran and even Western sympathizers) who oppress them ruthlessly and indoctrinate them and their children. Some, like Mosab Hassan Yousef (Son of Hamas), began by believing what they are told or exposed to in the media or at school or in the community, and are prepared to wage war, kill and become martyrs because of sheer ignorance and stupidity (or the inability to question the facts as presented to them). How do deal with people like that? Are they enemies (because they’re pointing a gun at your head with the intention of pulling the trigger) or are they victims that need help (like a wild tiger that has developed a taste for human flesh)? There are dissidents or moderates, but they are viciously silenced (often killed). Likewise for the non-believers or apostates. Mosab, at least, had the “good fortune” to be arrested by the Israelis when he was still a low-grade terrorist and soon realized that it wasn’t the Israelis who are the enemy, but Hamas itself. He experienced for the first time in his life what it was like to be respected as an individual, given the freedom to decide for himself, and treated humanely by the “evil occupiers”.
3. Israel started the process of implementing a Two-State Solution when it unconditionally handed Gaza over to the Arabs in 2005. But instead of all the “Palestinians” and their supporters celebrating their opportunity to build a sovereign state (and strive towards a Singapore of the Middle East, with infrastructure, opportunities for Arabs and Palestinians to develop themselves and their businesses, create FTAs with Israel, Egypt, Turkey, EU, SE Asia, USA/Canada/Australia, and to become a beacon for Palestinian identity and self-rule), they voted in Hamas, who then killed the twin ideas of a Two-State Solution and Palestinian Prosperity stone dead in 2007 and beyond.
4. The notion of identity or historical “rights” to the land or sovereignty or even religious expression is outdated and irrelevant. The Aboriginals aren’t;t fighting a war with Australia for the lands that they have occupied for the past 30,000 years (!), nor are the Native Americans fighting the USA to recapture the lands stolen from them (in fact the various tribes were mostly at war with each other for centuries before the Europeans arrived and also have no homogenous identity either). And so on for similar peoples around the world whose ancestors have lost their lands to colonialists or overseas investors or military invasions (Tibet, the Uighurs, the Rohingya, Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Crimea, etc)
The issue now is (should be) about *equality* and freedom to live one’s life as one sees fit (freedom of movement, right to purchase property, freedom of expression,freedom of religion AND the freedom to not practice any religion without fear of reprisals or death, and opportunities to work or build a business and sink or swim as in any market economy, with safety nets for the ill, the lazy and the retarded, and protection against fraud and health hazards and exploitation). Who or what the ruling classes are is somewhat irrelevant, as it is in the USA or UK. (The issue then becomes about voting equality and equal representation and dealing with corruption and lobbying, rather than political or religious identity.) One can still be a Palestinian under Israeli rule, just as there are Jews, Christians and Arab Muslims and atheists living under Israeli rule now (usually with the right to vote or represent your group in the Knesset).
5. The only solution left is to wipe out Hamas and divest from any group that supports terrorist activities against Israel (and therefore the Palestinians), for the Palestinians and their sympathizers to renounce violence, lay down their arms and accept Israel as the defacto legal nation in the region. And to (horror!) give up the aspirations for nationhood in a separate state. There cannot be one (in fact, there would have to be several, see 1.) because the opportunity or even relevance of a separate state has long passed.
Well said.
You have hit the nail on the head.
> Ayn Rand herself was a sloppy thinker
Because she said that mans mind can know reality?
They have been told that Jews took their land due to colonialism and apartheid and they see Netanyahu with his sort of brash dismissive character which they associate with right wing facism that is on the rise in America with the words apartheid and colonialism flashing in their heads which really strikes a chord with the Black population and the struggles they faced in America and Whites who did not supports such things usually on the liberal side. Universities are all about inclusiveness and more supportive of liberal values, and they do not want to be associated with the word Islamophobia as the right is known for so that blocks them from scrutinizing the theology (when they really should) as Muslims somehow convinced everyone that it is also racist, as the word is Zionism flashing in their head, and they see Jews holding the most the power so then it becomes the big man beating up on the little guy and they simply run with the Pro Palestine narrative without looking any further into the conflict. It's not because they are immoral or anti Jew, they truly want to do the right thing it's just that they have been misinformed.
I disagree with some of your views, although there was a time I would have agreed.
I think it’s willful ignorance. They choose to not know the facts.
We live in the Information Age so there is no excuse for being misinformed.
Our campuses have abandoned academia for activism.
The Germans were considered a civilized society yet quickly devolved into feral barbarians.
As one mother of a murdered child said, “Hatred is easy.”
Excellent discussion, thank you.
Israel is non existent for PLO, HAMAS, Qatar, Iran, Lebanon, Al Jazeera etc. They consider Israelis were thrust upon them and their land by western axis power.
Second, Islam doesn't recognize any religion other than their own.
Palestinians are not like any religious groups where other religion, philosophy is also welcome any religious group or invaders in their land are accepted. Even though Jews were earliest inhabitants in that land but driven away for 1000+ years. So both can not co-exist peacefully ... this conflict will never end.
This is an existential threat to Jews in Israel and elsewhere. Anyway given the way things are developing, they will find it very hard to live peacefully in western Europe in near future.
- Ex Muslim
And it will become increasingly difficult for Christians too. This is a religious war that is heating up with Islam and secularists(atheists) pitted against Jews, Christians and then Islam against everyone else.
Well done. His opening and answers on Israel are superb.
Attending protests while not realizing why you're supporting the cause seems to be popular.
Amen to that!
Excellent views thank you for educating on topics are are so important to understand in this times that we are living.
Crazy that collectivism take place on campuses, because high education must teach how to think as individual, not programming how to think.
That ship has sailed
Another oustanding discussion!
17:25 nails it! Well done OG.
No
No need to ban
But have a open debate in campuses which is objective in nature
The problem is that opposite point of view is not finding any voice at campuses because of mob backlash.
anti west
Great points we'll put.
You get a sub.
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We wrestled, ( not with flesh and blood, but) with principalities and powers in the heavenly realm.
"from the river to the sea" is basically the same as saying "bring back Auschwitz", I'm beyond sickened to hear people I used to respect calling for another holocaust.
I ❤ israel she has walked the paths of Almighty God. With God, Israel will prevail with men. It is as I have read the meaning of the word. Israel is the name given to Jacob by the Almighty himself. It means you have been strong with God. You shall prevail with men. The God of Israel never takes back his word faithful and true. May God's will for Israel prevail. As a beliver in Jesus in my heart, May she be blessed as the light of nations. Great righteous light has come from the land and people of the holy bible. To me in my heart it is the birthplace of the light given onto men.
very well said mr.journo..very well indeed -
Never has the world felt so unstable and insane. Im really embarassed for the American response to such a tragedy. I apologize on behalf of my country for my peers. Trump really tipped the scales.
Trump was de-escalating foreign wars, the first President in 30 years you can say that for. You think it was a coincidence that the Russia and Israeli conflicts started with Biden in office?
You don’t have to apologise.
Its not your fault.
Can you please explain your comment "Trump tipped the scale "?
@@johndiraimo1444 my guess would be she dedicated the last several years of her life to Trump being the worst thing in the history of all things, and she can't really articulate why Biden's shortcomings are his fault (because they aren't), but she still wants to blame Trump anyway.
It reads like Trump appeared out of thin air and singlehandedly caused chaos. He is just a symptom of processes and trends
You asked why. Just follow the money in academia from Russia, USSR in the past, China and Saudi Arabia. The recent Confucius Institutes on campuses was a great example of academia accepting money without close scrutiny.
I think that it's less anti-war or pro-Hamas than anti-Jew. Without the latent, widespread and deep animosity against Jews that until now I didn't realize was still this big, among people I didn't realize possessed it, I don't think that we'd see these sorts of protests promoting these sorts of messages so aggressively and pervasively.
I'm not saying that the protesters are not anti-war and that some are not even pro-Hamas, as these things are always overdetermined. But I think that most of this feeds upon deeply-held antisemitic views and feelings that are usually more submerged but which this situation has allowed to come to the fore and so virulently.
When Jews do something arguably bad, it's often responded to much worse than when non-Jews does such things. Or else how to explain the utter lack of comparable protests against Russia, Syria and Saudi Arabia, who have done far worse things in recent years? I can think of no other explanation than antisemitism.
Yes, I am trying to make sense of this.. it is very confusing..
How can people protest for a perpetrator, against a victim.. it is highly unusual..
Either the victim is really a perpetrator (which is what often happens), or I don't know enough about the situation.. I am inclined to abstain from any judgment..
I will be supportive of the victim, based upon this specific atrocity.. however, will not make any further decisions until I understand the situation more appropriately..
I applaud your wanting more information before holding an opinion.
The history of this most important piece of land is well explained on this site.
It’s important to know this is not a political war.
It is a religious Jihad.
God bless!
I also think that it's awesome how you really seem to want to know the truth. Too many people are quick to judge. Education is always important. A good place I would start people is the book Israel by Noa Tishby. It's a good read and explains a lot of the historical and political nuances without being too confusing.
Thank you! Excelente!
At 24:01 Mr. Ghate makes me think of Fedrick, Nietzsche and his character the tarantula: “equality! Equality! We must have equality! For, after all, what is equality, but that the universe be filled with the storms of our revenge against all for whom we are not their equal.“
I'm pro-Isreal which means that I don't agree with everything IDF does. I'm studying in an Ivy league university and I'm afraid of speaking my mind about this war -- I don't want to isolate myself from literally all of my colleagues.
Silence=Death
It’s understandable, however, our passivity has led us into this mess.
God bless!
Dig down and comprehend what YOU mean by "pro-Israel" or "I support Israel" What exactly does that mean? Take all the time in the world to do this before launching yourself on the public.
Protetesrs are simply a disparate "group" of armchair experts focusing on a small piece of a huge jigsaw with no comprehsion of the overall picture.
How refreshing to hear logic on such complex issues
To the protesters I say, God gave you a mind of your own. Use it!!!
The UK government already placed that terror group on an official list, in 2021, and made it illegal to support or promote it within the nation. That carries a punishment of up to 15 years in prison. Authorities have not been seen to act on this at all thus far despite the inciteful chants being shouted during protests. Incitement is also a crime within the UK.
The Holocaust also started with the professors in universities.
13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, He questioned His disciples: “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15“But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
13 When Tony Stark came to Valhalla, he questioned Thor: "Yo, bro, Jarvis is not finding any wifi signal here. Where is the nearest and best Shawarma?"
14 Thor replied, "Some say Abdul ran the best shawarma, but that was before Ragnarok, and still others say it is Muhamed near the ruins of the palace."
15 "But what about you?", asked Tony. "What do you say, MacOdin"?
16 Thor answered, "Are thou not Iron Man? Can thine quest for food not resolve itself in a vain attempt to eat some ground cereal mixed with olive oil and surrounded with part cooked sheep? Have thee a proper feast, son of Howard Stark! ".
Thank you!!! Sane moral voices are rare these days and deeply valued🙏
Good conversation.
the fact that Israel did not exist before 1947 and never existed in any map then but Palestine has been there. Yet the foreign jews forced Israel to exist but in other people's homeland by wiping the native off the map instead. why blame the hamas because west bank has no hamas yet IDF still murdering innocent women n children. the only solution now is Israel to abide the international law. Return the rights of those native people whose homeland Israel stole by granting them citizenship equal to new foreign jews are enjoying in ISrael. no 2 state solutions needed and hamas will automatically disband.
Mandate Palestine reffered to the whole land encompassing gaza , Israel, Jordan and parts of Syria. The jews wanted a state of their own due to Arab Muslim persecution, the Jews we're never the aggresors
5 of the 20 arab league nations waged a war agaisnt the jews in 1948 , it is telling that Iraq , Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan who have never have anything to do with jews sought it right to attack them and annihilate them in 1948
There was enough land for an Arab state and a Jewish state. The issue was never Palestinian vs Jew
After the 1948 war , didn't the Arab Muslim world expell 1 million jews whom all fled to the newly created state of Israel? Has anyone ever told you that contributed to Zionism
650,000 Arabs we're displaced during the 48 war , they all settled in the westbank and gaza
Jordan annexed the westbank and Egypt annexed Gaza, for 18 years ( 1948-1967) it never occurred to Arafat that their lands we're annexed by fellow arabs and neither did they ever demand a state of their own rather they chose jihad and waged a second war against Israel in 1967 in which they lost and they ended up loosing the westbank and gaza too
Until the arabs take accountability for the anti-Semitism propagated in their religious scriptures there'll never be peace
The first line of the Hamas constitution is - Israel will exist until Islam wipes it off the face of the earth
@@danieljakes5949 jewish problem was the ancient roman problem. Nothing Arabic nor pals problem about those roman some 3k yrs ago. Blame them for all your suffering. Native pals belong to their homeland so the polish ben gurion n his foreign jewish legions. Their homeland is not palestine except for the native jews of pals. Who are the minority. Your jewish lies cant sell to legalize your jewish claim. Ben gurion can return to poland for guaranteed citizenship so with other foreign jews can return to their countries of origin. The native pals have longed fought for pals independence from the brits until you foreign jews invaded n stole it from them by making pact with that brit balfour. That is the historical facts prior to 1947. israel doesnt not exist if every foreing jew return home after ww2. Sorry...
I agree with many things but I disagree with others. I agree that the anti-war movement was inherently wrong and I think it was used by the USSR, China, and many totalitarian regimes. Even the war in Vietnam was a support of the Southern Vietnamese for a more democratic regime. We see the difference between South Korea and North Korea. Vietcong committed many war crimes, but the society only focused on the US. I grew up in the USSR and when I moved to the US and met people who ran away from Vietnam I realized the other part of the story, that the USSR never disclosed. Still, I see that the protests back then helped the US to reform. The US created a more professional army and stopped the use of the draft, monitored the training and psychological conditions of the soldiers, and developed more precise weaponry to minimize casualties.
Agree with you on Iraq. It might be was not a priority but it was a legitimate action against a tyrannic Saddam's regime.
I disagree with your interpretation of egalitarity. It is not to take away the results of your labor. It is about equal opportunities for every player. If you are from an aristocratic family with a lot of money you have a better choice of opportunities, and if you are from a poor family you might never will be able to achieve anything because you will be looking for any job to survive. Taxes don't have a goal to take all the money that you made, but a goal to take your power to suppress other people who want to pursue maybe a better approach than yours in business. It is totally legit and promotes individualism. That is why a successful person definitely should enjoy their nice house or yacht or multiple properties, but they should not have money to influence the market in their favor. And it is the principle that defends individualism for all, not just for the Dugin's great men ;)
Collectivism is also a wrong term. There was no collectivism in the USSR. There was individualism to the max. The great man rose to the small group of leaders (Central Committee of the Communist Party) and they considered the rest of the population as a uniform collective mass. It was not the collective mass that suppressed the individuals it was a few tyrants that suppressed everyone, sometimes using the less educated ignorant people that are easy to manipulate.
In the USA or any other democracy sometimes people have common interests. For example in a time of economic recession and huge unemployment, the job market is the employer's market and workers can unite to push for better laws like minimal wages. In the long run, it will benefit the employers too because it will support the demand for the products that businesses make. But the short-term interests often prevail. On the other side of collectivism for rich people is the monopoly, trust, that fortunately is regulated in the US by Antitrust law, although maybe not enough.
However, the common interests have a danger of falling into tribalism. I agree here as well. We see sometimes ultra-left groups that pressure the interests of the group when it already doesn't benefit individuals. We see it in ultra-right as well, as fascism.
Onkar is excellent.
I’m a liberal. I do not like Ayn Rand at all. I also know the history of Middle East. I know the idea of a Palestinians ethnicity is pure crap, and the narrative against Israel is bull. I’m losing friends over this by the minute, but I will stick by Israel. Liberalism should not be used as a guise to destroy liberalism, and that is what is being done here. This isn’t about land. It’s always been about ideology.
You’re right.
This is not a political war.
This is a religious Jihad.
I'm sorry you lose friends over this. Props to you for sticking with Israel.
5:15 Yes
Religious extremist or just what is written in the quran and hadith as finals marching orders by mihammad
have you read the talmud?
@@glaze1106well they don't kill in the name of YAHWEH, neither do they chant allahu Akbar when they murder , neither do they call religious minorities infidels and kuffar
“The UN is a pro war organization” is the best sentence, I heard in a long time.
So true 😢
I personally kmow of three individuals who have left Islam now as of the 7th of October.
hallelujah! they were likely exposed to the truth of islams teachings in its wake. Taqiya is so massive. Without Lies Islam Dies. youtube Christian Prince
Many are leaving after listening to Jay's Smith's research on the koran
@theamrad You can say whatever you want. talk is cheap. are you going to kill every jew, yes or no. did muhammed rapewomen and children? did muhammed behead women for laughing at him? lets see if you lie.
@theamrad "it is not lawful to lie except in three cases: Something the man tells his wife to please her, to lie during war, and to lie in order to bring peace between the people."
@theamrad with no taqiya you will be proud about the scumbag muhammed who cursed orphan children and not lie and call him the greatest man when quran 48:2 calls him a sinner and Isa is PURE sinless and holy 19:19
The "Ikveta D'Meshicha" or the "footsteps of the Messiah" is a term used in the Talmud to describe the period leading up to the arrival of the Messiah. This time is prophesied to be one of great upheaval and difficulty for the Jewish people. (Sotah 49b, Sanhedrin 97a)
The societal norms that typically guide behavior and morality may become blurred or even inverted during this time. This could lead to a state where discerning between good and evil becomes increasingly challenging. It's a time of moral ambiguity where the usual ethical guidelines might not hold, leading to confusion and potentially, a breakdown of societal order.
This period is seen as a test of faith and resilience for the Jewish people. Despite the hardships, it's also a time of hope as it heralds the coming of the Messiah. The challenges faced during this period are considered part of the process that will ultimately lead to redemption and the Messianic era.
I don't see why Israel had to be there. Why don't they put it in Germany?
You don't really think much, do you?
What the heck is that supposed to mean? Do you think Israel was made by German colonists? Israel was created by a mix of European refugees and indigenous Jews who had lived in the land for THOUSANDS of years. It was created as a state for Jewish people that accepts all cultures and religions. Is it perfect and does it always live up to those ideals? No, but what country does? It's a democracy striving to be democratic as much as any other country.
After WWII, despite the atrocities perpetrated by German people towards the Jews, the Germans didn't want them there. To say they "should have made it in Germany" is an ignorant statement. Please, read some history books.
@@yeshevishman What I should have said is that they should have made another country in Germany.
Here are pro Israel and Palestine claims I found. My solution is to shrink Israel, make Israel 2, and arm Palestine.
Some claims I hear:
Pro Palestine:
1) Israeli settlements are on stolen land.
2) Palestinian protests are stopped in Israel.
3) Higher casualty rate
4) I hear that Jews need a country for safety. They could also make a country in Germany.
Pro Israel:
1) They have more democracy and rights.
2) They have Palestinian citizens, and they make more money. Palestine doesn't have Israeli citizens.
3) Jews get hurt in neighboring countries.
4) Hamas uses human shields.
Burden of proof:
I give the underdogs the benefit of the doubt. Defending your moral arguments is harder when you're weak and oppressed.
Guilty civilians:
Citizens have some responsibility for what their government does. They can move to another country, or resist and avoid taxes. Israel requires military service.
My solution:
Have Israel give a lot of land, arms, and money to Palestine. The amount is based on moral points.
Make Israel 2 in Germany. Because of Nazi crimes, Israelis would have the moral authority to relocate Germans. Reparations would be calculated accurately for each person's ancestoral crimes and oppression.
This channel is excellent. Thank you!
Eternal victims
Eye opening moment.
I have lost two friends over this, one was 37 and the other was 69, so its not just kids. The younger one, a woman, is just in general a bitter person I think and anti-semitic (which I didn't realise) and the older one is likewise, and anti-semite, which I kind of suspected but this confirmed it. So maybe for the students its nihilism, but for others it really is just anti-semitism. Just my opinion.
I think anti-west is more relevant than the anti-Semitism, and there are elements of both, but I'm willing to bet both of the people you referenced are also the "America sucks, capitalism is bad" type of people. That's the common thread they have with Muslim extremists, it took me a while to catch on to that, since they're ideologically so different, but the one thing the far left and Islam have in common is they want to destroy western culture.
Nihilism is primary driver behind Jew-hatred. It's because Jews are a largely successful, intelligent, non-sacrificial group that they're so hated and despised.
Imagine, she takes a DNA test and finds out she's Jewish!
This. I've always kind of dismissed antisemitism as mostly a fringe thing, that many people might hold vaguely negative views of Jews but don't actually hate or fear them. Now I'm starting to believe that the numbers are much higher and the fear, loathing and anger much greater, but simply get suppressed most of the time because it's seen as socially unacceptable and politically incorrect, and situations like this make it suddenly acceptable if not necessary to bring such views to the fore.
What I want to know is, why such negative feelings towards Jews, and what is it about Jews that make so many people view them so negatively and have such strongly negative feelings towards them, especially in a world increasingly secular so it can't only be about religion anymore but more cultural and social given that Judaism is both a religion and ethnicity that's associated with certain cultural and social attributes and behaviors whether accurately or not. What is it about Jews that makes so many people hate and mistrust them so much? I genuinely want to know.
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I'm 31. I had never considered antisemitism a major issue in any place other than the Islamic world for my entire life. It's only after the past 3-6 years that I have really started considering Jew hatred a real problem. I started noticing it with the ((())) echoes some years back and seeing nothing but apathetic silence from the so-called "good guys."
You cannot conflate solidarity with the innocent Palestinians to solidarity with Hamas. The opinion of most notable figures in the Palestinian side have explicitly condemned Hamas.
However Israel has not offered any sort of solution to liberate Palestine at all, except for levelling the entire country and we know historically they have used these opportunities to establish their own settlements and annexing the land of the Palestinians.
Because if this everyone is skeptical about Israelis narrative, they have conflated the entire Palestinian population with Hamas, as they have with this conversation to justify what they are doing, and people aren’t buying it.
Palestinians are suffering far worse under Israel occupation than they are under Hamas, and as a legitimate world power and the occupying nation Israel has a responsibility to tread carefully.
The condemnation of Israel is well deserved here.
After the 1948 war , Jordan annexed the westbank and Egypt annexed Gaza, for 18 years Palestinians we're treated as refugees in a land they'd have already established a state of their own . Yasin Arafat never condemned the Jordanian and Egyptian occupation of their lands. After the 1967 war waged by arabs towards Jews, Israel annexed gaza , westbank and the sinai peninsular for strategic Reasons. So why a two state? Its the inability of muslims to cohabitate with jews due to the pure anti-Semitism advocated in the Quran
The hadith that states that the final hour will not reach till all muslims kill all jews could possibly explain the mentality Muslims have towards jews
The problem isn't where Israel exists rather it is that it exists in the first place
If that were the case, then why are they all chanting "From the river to the sea"? That's saying Israel has NO RIGHT TO EXIST as a sovereign nation. The problem is that most Palestinians are educated to believe that Israel has no right to exist as a sovereign nation. If you look at the overall history, Israel has tried to GIVE the Palestinians their own land and they refused to take it, stating that "there will be no treaty as long as Israel exists."
And who are these "notable figures" on the Palestinian side condemning Hamas? When this whole thing started, I searched for days online to try and find statements from all sides, and found few, if any, pro-palistinians who condemned Hamas's actions completely. The MOST I've gotten is "well, they're not right, but I understand why they're doing so..." Oh really? It's understandable that they attacked civilians screaming Kill the Jews, kidnapped and raped civilians, and tortured children and posted the videos online saying "Look how strong we are"?
Now, maybe I might have missed some people who did say otherwise, but if I did, I ask you to please help me find them so I can learn from my mistakes.
Solidarity with innocent Palestinians is fine in my book, but what are you actually looking to put in place of Hamas? Is there a political faction saying that Palestinians should, ya know, overthrow their own corrupt government before dealing with the one on their borders?
What do you expect? Terrorists have sent their people to all the Countries. You open the door and let them in.
Pro hamas ia pro war.
To say their are confused would b a understatement
where was the mass protests when russia started a war in ukraine?
It was the Ukraine regime who started an eight years war against ukrainian people with russian culture in Donbas in 2014. Russia didn't start it. The United States and their european satellites did, promoting a coup with neonazi elements against the democratically elected government to turn Ukraine into an anti-russian country and invite it into NATO. Russia came into Ukraine to defend the life of the Donbas people under the R2P doctrine, just like NATO did in Libya.
Where were the protests when the U.S and its puppets caused a coup to occur in Ukraine in 2014 that then lead to Donbas being shelled for eight years?
Bold of you to assume Muslims care about non muslims
Awesome video! Let’s break another record!
You can't be nihistic when it comes to Israel and be moralistic when it comes to Palestine. So basically these people are confused.
Very insightful thanks
God bless Israel ❤🇮🇱🙏