Dr Lionel Corbett: Jung's Approach to Treatment of Psychosis
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2022
- This presentation was a keynote at the ISPS-US 2022 National Conference in Sacramento, CA. Thank you to our sponsors The California School of Professional Psychology (CSPP) at Alliant International University: www.alliant.edu/schools/cspp
The International Society for Psychological & Social Approaches (ISPS-US) promotes psychological and social approaches to states of mind often called "psychosis" in treatment, education, and advocacy through collaborations between service providers, experts by experience, and family members. Join ISPS-US as a member by visiting www.isps-us.org
Session description:
This presentation will describe the work of Jung and John Perry on the treatment of psychosis. This approach suggests that acute psychotic episodes are an attempt of the psyche at self-healing. The individual is overwhelmed by mythic material from the depths of the psyche, in an attempt at renewal of the personality. The combination of neuroleptics with the failure to understand the individual worsens his or her suffering and aborts the healing process, producing chronicity.
Presenter Bio:
Dr. Lionel Corbett trained in medicine and psychiatry in England and as a Jungian analyst at the Chicago Jung Institute. He is currently professor of depth psychology at Pacifica Graduate Institute.
As a person who has suffered with psychosis, this spoke to my soul! My psychiatrist referred to my voices as You...they are you I was told. It literally felt like I broke into pieces. Although I still feel misunderstood and withdraw from society, I am off medication and I'm searching for others who do understand so I literally feel like a new person. I do feel like my psychosis was a spiritual awakening. I feel so much better than I did before. Thank you
Wishing you the best in your journey through healing. It’s certainly distressing and a lonely road for sure. Personally I really rate this video and the work of Jung. I went through a full on death and rebirth experience in my first episode and came out a lot better as a person that was 13yrs ago now. We must face this stuff in a cautious and sustainable way, but the more professional who at least take these ideas on board the better I think.
The mental health doctors especially in the public sector here in NSW are glorified drug dealers working in lock step with the big pharma companies... they just don't care about us and they put me down saying crap like "you are thin skinned and combative" to give themselves justification to leave me stranded on anti psychotic and anti depressant meds which destroy my quality of life with multiple worsening physical and mental side effects . THE MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM HERE HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY GREED AND SELF INTEREST at the expense of those of us that are trapped inside the system. In fact, my last experience with a 2 year long stint on Alprazolam caused 3 life threatening occasions of extreme breathlessness which almost killed me ! i stopped taking that drug as a result of this and my doctor threatened me with permanent incarceration if i remained off the toxic medication. it gets worse from there but it's way too stressing to even talk about further please help me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you want to get better, for now, put Jung aside. Analyze how your parents related to each other. Are there any BPD issues in your siblings or parents. Focus on your childhood. Google anything you do not understand. It seems that Freud had been rejected because people have difficulty discussing sex. Yet, it's primal and can not be ignored. I know nothing about psychosis. I'm very sad to know that you are struggling. Perhaps you ought to find another trauma based therapist.
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Jung is far more complicated than necessary. Freud is more easily understood if one uses their childhood family to unravel than all these mythological religious fantasies. 🙄
Who helped you get off of the antipsychotics
@@jordannas.2149 I tapered down from haloperidol and just stopped tapered down off sertralene ..then I prayed ,🙏 the voices have gone .. I feel very blessed ..I have a group every Sunday and make sure my food, sleep, excercise and spiritual well being is always my priority..I hope you are doing ok ?
This man is amazing. He also has a beautiful way of speaking and a lovely presence. What a gem of a teaching
My God. What a fantastic therapist. Thank you to all concerned for hosting him. Dr Lionel Corbett : Thank you for doing what you do & explaining so much so plainly & clearly. Dear God, thank you from the bottom of my heart to all who made this talk possible.
When will Psychiatric services wake up.. A massive over haul of the whole system is long overdue. We need more people with true compassion and understanding like this brilliant Doctor. Thank God for people like him. ❤
I found out that the socalled psychosis was actually an integrated superego, that was my mother putting me down constantly, and a social worker made a cognitive kind of therapy with me, making me aware, or I did it myself, writing it down in a scheme, what I was thinking about myself, and it was an eye opener. If you have been taught norms or ways to act that are impossible to live up to, because they are inconsistent, and make no sense, only that nomatter what you do it is wrong, then it keeps you stuck in.a constant negative cycle.
My son had the onset of paranoid schizophrenia in 1995. His father couldn't handle it because he grew up with his mother and brother and other relatives having this and frequently being hospitalized. It has been a long and very difficult journey as his caretaker---and friend, support, and listener. I've always insisted on as low doses of medication as possible. Fortunately, I've always loved dream study and recording my dreams, and when he was small, I recorded his dreams for him. Dreams are important to him and is one of our daily exchanges and very helpful. He knows I acknowledge that his experiences are real to him and he can relate to them as "real stories" just as dreams are real experiences and real stories, though they may not be real in physical terms.
You're a good parent :)
Open Dialogue. Developed in Finland. Give it a Google. Blessed Easter to all of those who suffer.
This is the best and most understandable breakdown of Jung I have ever heard. I have experienced two psyhchosis periods. One was medicated and the medical health proffesionals after care was atrocious, very mis informed and very unempathetic. They did not seem to grasp or get my emotional issues. The second period I ended up refusing the medication and travelled to family. That experience helped me greatly. I am still in the process of growing and making very tough decisions regardless of other peoples views. I accept this explanation as it definitely matches what i have experienced and the non medication route and self persevering route is definitely working better for me. It is not a instant fix but I feel much much better walking this route.
I agree with Jung, but I also think it is something that should have happened in childhood, and that there is a kind of regression to it as well, which makes it difficult during the illness, to deal with other types of crisis, like a break up. That is why I think it is important to get enough sleep and rest, and to be aware of boundaries, in relation to other people and in relation to the self. I experienced two deaths, and because of childhood trauma, a lot of other that I had not given attention to, surfaced, which often happens during mourning, but in some cases there is more traumatic material to deal with. I did not experience seeing something that was not there or hearing voices, but I was overloaded with impressions that took many years to process.
So much wisdom. Wonderful.
The part where Lionel mentions the assumption/error in saying “You…” to someone who is in that state of annihilation was brilliant. It reminds me of the first trauma of my life. There was no “me” anymore, just lucid non narrative awareness. “Normal” people were the ones who seemed delusional; full of egotistical narratives, fixation on the future, etc.
Anyways, great vid thank you 🙏
When he said about the cause with growing in an environment full of lies it really helped me understand why I ended up getting psychosis on another level. How comes none of our modern doctors don’t listen to this type of useful information!! Only talking on behalf of the nhs they seem to be clueless about this stuff
I’m back three months later and I just have to reiterate that this is information is simply pure genius and light..gold!!!
Same here.
Good to hear!
This guy is fantastic. He is so clear and knowledgeable. Thank you.
Thank you very much for a very clear summary Jung's thoughts and how relevant it is to the current reflexion on managing psychosis. I believe the patient's community, including their family, can create a safe non judgemental space to help the person process their difficult emotions, and that trauma may be due to family dysfunction, but not always, and that Open Dialogue is a good way to address family dysfunction.
Thank you for the importance of empathuc listening and describing the state of withdrawal as a rersponse to a system or environment lacking empathy. Key points.
Thankyou it's very difficult to find support having a young beautiful mind in a psycosis possibly marijuana induced and understood takes me hours and days of listening I'm scared as everyone around would rather have him placed and medicated which may or may not cause more truma god help us get through this You give me hope especially since if those around him find the archetypes hard to grasp hopefully we can xxx
It's too strong of a drug for me too. Crippling. I don't hear voices but I used to, almost, feel them. Keep the body clean and the mind educated and supported, things will right themselves ❤❤❤
Fantastic, thank you Lionel!
Read your book The Religious Function of the Psyche which was fascinating. Amazing to see you on RUclips
Bravo Lionel for your intellectual compassion on mental health, society is cleansing itself on the stigma of mental health. Empathy being and feeling understood, patience, my son suffers with mental illness. I am fortunate enough to know a nurse from Nepal, her sister suffered with mental illness, she is now healed but still treated with care. Our country needs to immediately explore other cultures methods. I believe changing the whole family dynamic is crucial, let's stay open minded with a whatever it takes attitude.
This country doesn’t want to help the mental health situation, is not convenient for the pharmaceutical industry.
Advocating for my son, the place he is staying in trying to transfer him to a place he could be humanized, he needs friends, a girlfriend etc, I dislike the place he's in, rapidly trying to change.
I agree with jordannas, you are ver intelligent.@@jordannas.2149
Bro thank god there are sensible people out there who understand that psychosis isnt some sort of illness that slowly eats at the brain lmao!!!! During my psychosis i felt a connection to the Hindu goddess Matangi and i felt like it could have been a beautiful trip if only i was in a more nurturing environment and not living with my then boyfriend. I cant wait to be off the meds and back to my weird self where i get to feel again. This is just me getting crucified but Im waiting for my resurrection.
The utterly important thing is that you got rid of that Bf , who, I understand, did not have neither the will, nor the knowledge to help you. You are better off by yourself.
thankyou very much for your insights into a condition i have suffered with for years, it really sets the mind at ease to be able to see your delusions for what they are when they are explained so accurately and with a great degree of insight into what they mean, when for so long you felt there was no way people could really understand what was happening to you, at least with this degree of accuracy. I have saved your video and have downloaded it (I hope you dont mind) so i can access it and watch it again and again, even without the internet if my condition deteriorates. I would just like to sat a personal Thankyou for taking the time to make the videos, it really can mean the world to someone who is suffering from mental illness.
Thank you, godbless Lionel.
A fantastic lecture. An eye-opener. Thank you Doctor.
The notion that psychosis is a jungian mythological landscape is poetic beautiful one. It has a Hollywood like ark in character .But I’m afraid, it just doesn’t stand up in the field of clinical practise . It completely ignores the biological changes in schizophrenia . It ignores the negative symptoms of schizophrenia . It doesn’t explain the affective component of mood disorders which have psychosis . It works for brief reactive psychosis but we shouldn’t allow simplistic models to dictate to something that is far more complex and nuanced
Wonderful, it resonates well to me and thank your time and this great, great, and brilliant presentation.
Spot on in(my) personal opinion and experience in psychosis, mental health related diagnosis and the treatment thereof. Scoring 9 on ACe testing and having been diagnosed with numerous(so called disorders) schizoaffective, dissociation disorders etc., being over medicated at times and even suffering forced medication treatments in the distant past at the present moment I have a psychiatrist and therapist who listens and medication is minimal(mostly to dampen the aggressive outburst). (I) leave with a beautiful quote I recently came across last week. "We can't always change the cards we're dealt, but only how we are to play the hand." My hand is resilience no matter what cards the Universe deals out to me. Have a blessed day, Namaste 🙏
Yes. I really love this video. I remember during one of my episodes I was having a blood test before being sectioned, and I genuinely thought they were testing to find out if I had Royal Blood
@ The Transpirational Coach : Great name. And Royal Blood, great music.
I thought mine was a cure for covid🤣 2 different times in 2 different psychoses. I had read The Maze Runner in high school and always thought about how it was so much like life. Showing up trapped in a maze with danger outside, in it with people that no one knows how they got there or who they are. Anyway, during 2020 during my first full blown psychosis, I thought I was going through scenarios from the second book The Scorch Trials and the third book The Death Cure while I was in the hospital. That was like my only frame of reference at the time to try to understand what was happening to me during my bizarre experiences. Interesting times
This work and specifically this talk is so important and invaluable. As if I'm listening to a confidant of Plato trying to help those who have had real experiences with The Cave allegory..
Hermes here,
This is the most important video you'll ever watch.
I think Jung was close, the missing link is spirituality, the soul and validity of the spiritual realm. I believe many are awakening today as part of this spiritual and energetic balancing based on the universal laws and the souls evolution. I’m spiritual and he’s the archetypes as part of divination, oracle readings, cards that resonate with the energy .
Thank you
Absolutely Awesome! Thanks so much!
Tremendous
So good
Great exploration into mind and the dance of the spirit❤
psychosis also often has to do with unstructured thought patterns, that can be very difficult to decipher, I have tried a lot, when I did not have anything to do, when my brain capacity was confused with being crazy.
Really nice, I ordered 2 of the books straight away from amazon. Thanks Dr
The most controversial part of the video is when he pronounces the names from Brazil 😂. Great presentation otherwise, really grateful to hear such a humane take on mental illness.
Very interesting makes sense 2
feeling everything is unreal is more usual in cases of anxiety, or depression, a feeling of isolation, not being understood, not feeling connected with other people, or after having experienced a chok.
Thank you for this. It's very informative and helps me understand what my daughter is going through and how i can help her.
Thank you for a lovely sensitive and insightful talk. I really appreciated much of it. Many very important distinctions were highlighted between real unconditioned listening as apposed to listening through the lens of our mundane thought-cluttered conditioned consciousness. When we discourse with another human being who is seeing life through a very different lens to the common mode of perception pure listening is one of the most important contributions we can make, perhaps the only one.
It's a relief to hear the distinction being made between a true spiritual experience as distinct from a mentally or psychotic originating experience so accurately described. On a superficial level the two may appear to be identical. I think the business of psychology as a whole has not at all understood this, in general its practitioners have not gone deep enough.
spiritual warfare, spiritual might mean psychological, and if the question is connected to having a too strict parent, then it might have to do with an inner conflict between the self and the strict parent. it's important to try to translate it into ordinary speech I think, because there might be a confusion of meanings of words.
I think i've been experiencing psychosis lately, and this was the first resource I used to try and understand it. It's nice to see things laid out clearly and concisely and empathetically. Thank you ❤
How are you doing?
Hope you are doing ok Nichole
It isn't easy to go alone❤
@@marianly1000 Still kicking!
1st time a Dr mentions (the 2d coming of) Christ. Jung should have nown Nutritional Balancing Science Program and learnt the missing piece from it. His was a wonderful open-mindedness and creatrivity, love and good will. Thank you.
Dr Lionel, how can I schedule a online meeting with you? My daughter had psychosis last year. She has been on anti-psychotic this year and I want to take her off.
Thank you for your this video.
Yesterday is a memory, tomorrow is a dream, all you have is the eternal now. I encourage you to read "the emerald tablet - alchemy for personal transformation" by Dennis William Hauck
make people write stories about it, that is what manuscript writers do, write a poem, a song something creative, then it is put into a context where it is normale.
I read in a book by Anais Nin that she was in a room is psychiatrists conducting an interview with a schizophrenic. Their conclusion was that he was just spouting nonsense. Anais Nin found everything he said made plenty of sense (but she was a poet.)
Thank you, do you remember the title? Thanks...
@@lucabarsotti1409 It was in one of her journals. I think she published more than one (possibly three?)
@@kahlodiego5299 Thank you, i will check ☺️👋
Sounds interesting
@41:06 I do appreciate the intensity of mythology, and it’s ability to help us process spiritual emergencies. I reference the timestamp of the story you’re telling of a girl as if these things are only real in myth. Some of the things you describe are real happenings that took place that, people who are now considered psychotic did experience in real life, because there are such practices as we know that take place and not all of it it’s just in someone’s mind that’s a good way to let these evil demented sickos off the hook. Which I do not advocate, they should be locked up
I’m only 7 mins in and he’s already said so much important stuff that I feel like I’ve been unable to say. I’ve been talking to my therapist more about my psychosis, dreams, etc. all about symbolic stuff and I think now she’s probably considering admitting me🤣 lol jk. But a lot of things I talk to her about seem new to her, but she’s been a therapist for 20 years. I find that rarely do people know what kundalini or chakras are. It’s hard to talk to a therapist about when they aren’t familiar with eastern philosophy, it feels like I can’t be validated on my experience unless I look on the internet for similar stories. She understands more somatic stuff and EMDR bilateral processing though so I kind of come at it from that angle for her to better understand. (My counselor is also generally Christian based I think, the office has Christian music playing all day.) I have a lot of skepticism of my experiences because they get written off as a disorder, and I also have a hard time believing I saw what I saw regarding the world structure, and started to find it odd that no one else was seeing it and that I hadn’t seen it before my psychosis episodes had started. Makes you feel like an anomaly. It’s such a weird experience that you’re like “no one else could possibly be experiencing this” because it seems so abstract, makes you feel alone. I’m able to know that I had delusions but there’s also some sense of realness to sensing a human subconscious connection that most are unaware of. Idk, it’s hard describing “everything is connected” to someone who isn’t constantly in that state and seeing it. I have felt like there’s deeper interconnected subconscious layer of a world system, under what is only on the surface that people are conscious of. It’s weird. It’s a nagging feeling to be aware of it, it’s like it wants you to be aware of it. My therapist has been trying so hard to get me to learn how to ground but my brain picks up on connections and my mind naturally retreats as an observer. I kinda wonder if my trauma therapy is making it worse though. Anyway, there’s my bipolar ramble for the day🤣 I’m excited to see where the rest of this video goes. I have felt like Jung was ahead of his time.
I think we are all subconsciously effected by the collective subconscious, and new archtypes are being created in the present time. And they change in new historical times, according to what goes on politically, socially etc.
Maybe they’re all already in the Akashic records ?🤔
have you watched the Davinci movie? about symbols? Do you think it is psychotic?
Is a single lifetime enough time for recovery from "psychosis" ?
How did Jung take conjecture to actual clinical practice? Sounds as if Jung took the face-value statements of his psychotic" clients as actually true (for the.). B ut you have not discussed the trajectory of the "woman living on the moon" case, nor the outcome
There could be physical preduspositions to schizophrenia; not all people with such family dynamics develop schizophrenia and some people without those dynamics do develop schizophrenia.
what do you think about locking people up in psychiatry being legal, whereas it is illegal for someone to lock up someone in a private home. I do not think the laws make sense. locking up people who are not criminals because doctors have not learned to communicate. if it is illegal in one context it has to be the same in another context.
I’m convinced I would’ve had a much better experience in prodromal phases of psychosis if I weren’t locked up. It only makes my mental health worse, especially to not be able to go outside then also have strict rules and not being allowed to sleep when you’re doped up on uncomfortable/agitating antipsychotics, etc. Plus uncomfortable plastic beds. Being inpatient is stressful. There’s a reason everyone there just wants to go home. Then they say suicide rates are high after discharge because you go back to your original environment. It’s just like going from one trapped space to another, and back again. I’d feel better if I went on some sort of retreat rather than a psych ward. Sometimes I do need a psych ward when I’m out of touch completely that I don’t realize where I’m even at, but I hesitate going in when I’m not in that state yet because of my own experiences going inpatient during prodromal phases. You pretty much have enough awareness to realize that it’s not benefitting you more than it would to be at home at that point. I’ve even had techs say I’d be better off with treatment at home. I’ve been in co-ed psych wards too where I have experienced sexual harassment. Definitely do not feel safe locked up in that kind of situation. Also have been taken off of meds overnight there when an outpatient psych doc would usually taper, and that usually backfires a few weeks later with withdrawals or relapse.
I would add that Jung truly loved his patients--which I believe his work emerged from--his life work was an act of love as was A.S. Neill's for the education of children. I do not see this attitude reflected in the field of "mental health", which has been reduced down to "diagnoses" (insurance purposes), drugs, and the "brain" (not sure how "scientific" that perspective is!). If anything, I see a lack of love in this field and an automatic adjustment to the social paradigm--which is wholly materialistic and without ANY moral sustenance; and actually BASED on "The 7 Deadly Sins" which few escape and which produces all kinds of pathologies to physical heath, to public safety, to human well-being--even to the 'possibility' of (real) democractic societies among whole populations of made profoundly stupid by the "values" indicated above. Hitler would be rejoicing!
Problem is he loved some of his female patients a little too much.
you should talk about ordinary things, not a dillusional pseudo reality. do not enter that reality, but get out of it, focusing on down to earth activities, exercise and practicing small talk, or talking about what happens in the real life. it is infinite, a place where you can keep thinking deeper and deeper into the pseudo reality. Practicing not thinking is a good idea as well, focusing on nature, everything real/physical.
Nature can be triggering in psychosis, it makes the mind wander in the silence and mysticism. Not thinking can start to bring up imagery and feelings and sensations like in meditation and clearing the mind, sometimes physical kundalini body movements. Small talk can be a trigger too. To a psychotic mind there is no ordinary thing. Especially when your brain is already on overload - you’re dissociating, hearing and seeing messages/signs through conversation, or aware of entities in the forest. I think routine and busy-ness actually helps but usually once the stress builds up like if you go back to work, you eventually just relapse again. Have to find some balance in the middle. It’s a tricky minefield of triggers. It’s best learning how to get back into your body though through physical activity from what I understand. But I think the signs and messages and entities will keep presenting themselves until you face and address what they are trying to teach you, sometimes. Happens a lot in dreams as well, it can be very intense if you are not addressing the emotional triggers or life lessons
where is the room for religion, are you not allowed to have religious believes? A lot of people do, some people are psychic.
Europe still has some hope in understanding and treating psychosis, thanks to the psychoanalytic and phenomenological traditions, hope that is shrinking by the day, the more americanized our psychiatry becomes.
America is far gone and beyond any hope, their view of humanity is so shallow and naive it is almost comical, their biomedical psychiatry is in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry, and is filled with contempt towards humanity, it sees us as machines, programmed by evolution to maximize utility, without any subjectivity and unconscious, and some of these machines just happen to be faulty, for some mysterious chemical mechanism that changes every decade, once the previous one has been disproven by actual science. Their worldview is toxic, it's making our world spiritually barren and everyone inside it depressed.
Great explanation of American psychology. I live here and I have tried to get help several times, only making things worse with all the pharmaceuticals they prescribe. I eventually gave up and am trying to research it myself and find something that works for me.
Psychosis is just about paranoia then for you
Not all in ful blown Psychosis focus on mythology or religion. My Uncle was diagnosed as Schizophrenic back in the mid 70's. He was a deeply religious man, but during his Psychosis which he had for about 10 yrs, he never menrioned anything religious, his statements were always like 'he was a general in the army" he threw 10 men off the top of the tall building he worked at for 8 yrs and that was a delusion of course. His delusions never involved spirituality. Ar one time, he rhought all of his food was being pousoned, so he refused to eat until the family called an actual FBI agent to convince my Uncle that his food was not poisoned. That convinced him and he started eating. Eventually he was commitred ro a state hospital when he lived the rest of his life and died of a massive heart atrack. That was the only way he woukd take his medicine. We actually could come and get him for the day and bring him to my Mom's house abd people also picked him up for church