These are the Porsche 997's most common problems FIXED - FGP Prep Book EP17
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- In this episode of FGP Prep Book we look at two 1st generation Porsche 997 Carrera S', which come in to stock with some of the problems this model is most prone to.
Superbly informed description, which you’d struggle to learn so crisply elsewhere. Thank you, FGP.
Nice video. Thanks. What would be good to know too are the costs for the repairs you mentioned. That helps for those of us thinking what’s affordable.
I love the burgundy one , I’m a bit late watching this but I’m buying my first Porsche soon
Before I watched this video I wouldn’t of believed a burgundy 911 would look good
The more I see it the more I like it , gorgeous car
Grey transformation on the black car. Seeing these 997s really makes me regret selling my one which had the X51 option
Nice work ! Porsches will bite you if you skip the maintenance, my 2005 997.1 Carerra S now passed 106000 miles, unopened engine, hard track use every season, it had 62000 miles when i bought the car in 2015, oil analysis the last 5 years show no wear metals ! OCI at 6000 miles
U drive the car like u are suppose to, thats why its solid
I previously owned a 944s 2 x 2.7L boxsters and a 996. Each was new or under 1 year old. The 996 and boxster both needed rear main seal done by main dealer within 1 year . As a remember the cost was well over £1000 and maybe as high as £1500 although covered by warranty. After seeing your video and presently contemplating buying an older 997 and the extent of problems they have what would you allow as a contingency for the sort of repairs that are normally needed. Also what year of 911 are least problematic.
Useful insights and advice cheers
I had exactly the same coolant pipes, sub frame down and then alignment, ims + clutch bill. Rather hefty just after I bought the car. About 20% of the value of the car at the time 🤕😆
Great video as ever! A few things…..
1. How much did the car sell for?
2. Did the chap get his train to pick up the car?
I’m based in Cumbria but would love to purchase a 996 carrera 4s or any 997 from you guys
Great video!! I love your channel!! I have a 2006 Porsche 911 Carrera. M96/05 3.6L. Does it have the stronger IMS? Are they solid cars for the most part? Thank you so much!!
Hate to tell you, I have a 2006, C2S with the larger bearing, and it was bad, lucky to catch it before it wrecked the engine. ALL ims bearings can go bad, just less likely with the larger bearing.
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Those orange stickers look absolutely wank. The car would look so much better back to stock.
How much would a 997 In that condition sell for over there today as of 1/ 2023 ?
I have a 2007 911 Carrera with 40,000 miles, do I need to be concerned about the IMS/RMS issue? Anyone? The car was originally delivered to London Ontario Canada and found it’s way to New York.
Do you lock the cams and pull the chain tensioners when you change the IMS? I have done a couple of these at home and did that. but always wondered if it was strictly necessary.
looks better standard
isnt it carmona? there is another color called carmine.
Geil
So pleased that the orange stipes have gone. Always take it back to the original spec. Oh and it creates much less attention when it's parked outside my house. Thanks Luke.
How are you getting on with your 997?
Lovely choice you made.
Oustanding video, and excellent showcase of your knowledge and business - great to see you preparing the stock so thoughtfully - will be keeping an eye on the cars on your webpage for sure!
The burgandy car just oozes quality in that colour.
Stunning!
I agree
Great video. Been following your channel for a while now. I got a 996 and thinking about doing the IMS. Which IMS fix are you guys using and recommend for my 996 c4 2001?
Hi Azrai. We use the cylindrical "EPS" unit.
I am enjoying your 997 stuff i have just took on a 07 997 4s it's got some bore scoring in cylinder 6&5 and i am going to get it lined and clutch . It's the only way of getting my self into a 997
Whoever put those awful orange stripes on musta dropped an acid tab the night before doing it 😆😆😆😆
Great video, and thanks for detailed discussion of M030 suspension package. Would you do a similar video on common issues with 997.2 and perhaps touch on any PDK issues you are aware of. Cheers and good job!
Great job on both 997's. You transformed the Black one with reverting it back to original colours. My preference is the burgundy!
Great insightful and honest videos. I wish you would do LHD cars!! (And do more longer videos ;) )
Thanks very much.
Kudos to FGP, you lads definitely know how to maintain your 997's !
In the not too distant future I’ll be buying a 996/997; I’ll definitely be coming here for mine. You can’t put a price on peace of mind. Love the videos 👍🏽
Hi Kris, thanks very much, hopefully hear from you soon!
How I wish that I could bring my car to your shop. You would show me a bill and I would pay it knowing all was done correctly. Nice!
That's an amazing transformation on the black 997, great to see it look as Porsche intended it to.. Standard! Great video as always!
I'm glad you're in agreement!
Looks like the wheels changed colour too.
Definitely agree! Looks so much better stock! Why would someone destroy a good looking car like that?
Did like the black wheels - sorry. - the orange did need to go though 😊
I just learned more about my 05 997 w/PASM than I've learned in 2 years. Excellent.
Excellent video! Just the kind of information I am looking for. I bought a '06 997 a week ago and am still trying to find out all about it. My engine # is: M96/05 69603.21. Do you think I have the servicable or non-servicable IMS bearing? I have no idea and it would sure give me some peace of mind if I knew. I heard the M96.05 engine does not have the suspect IMS. Can you shed any light on this for me? Also, what is a "tandem pump"? I don't have PASM. Thanks for a great channel!
Black with orange only works on the 997 GT3RS.
Even then it’s an acquired taste 🤷♂️
In your opinion
It’s the engine number beginning with 386..... that have had the IMS issue etc rectified. So it’s on late 2006 onwards cars. Luckily mine was a 386 numbered engine. Got my 997.1 C2S with 27k miles, 1 owner, the EXACT spec I wanted which I couldn’t believe (extended leather, Bose, heated seats, hardback wingback bucket seats with embossed headrests, PSE, PCM... etc etc) and was maintained/serviced maticulously and kept in a heated garage. The leather was brand new, the grain on the steering wheel looked untouched. A very lucky find plus it was a built to order car and he selected the 19” Carrera Sport Design wheels with the nice fat 305’s on the rear and 245’s up front. I put 20k miles on it within 16 months 🤣. I always add ZX1 oil/fuel additive to my Porsche’s. It creates a layer of protection that sticks and gets into every nook and cranny where oil doesn’t reach so well. Plus when you add a 50ml shot to your fuel every 25k miles it creates a film on the cylinders thus protection from bore scoring. It lasts for 25k miles in the engine but I still add it every 10k miles when I change the oil anyway. Love your video’s and the great work you’re doing 👌🏻
Hi, nice video. I have a 2005 997. In reference to the PASM set up, I quite agree, I find the setup too firm for the road if activated. Perhaps it should be referred to as Road and Track, or Firm and Very Firm! In the manual Porsche say 'In Normal mode the running gear is a sporty and comfortable setup. Sport mode offers a markedly sporty shock absorber tuning (e.g. for driving on the race circuit).' Also if you drive hard in Normal more, the PASM settings are automatically activated. According to the manual.
I own an 06 C2S and amazingly your video has helped me. I have some of the same shit that I am about to tackle. The same thing that you covered. It’s heading to the shop for fixing next week. I hope they know what the hell they are doing. There is a knocking sound coming from the rear. I think it might be a shock mount issue? Also having the engine mounts replaced. Thoughts?
Hi Gary. It's almost impossible to diagnose your problem from the symptom you have described i'm afraid. Feel free to email me with further details if you'd like me to try and point you in the right direction.
This guy knows it all. Amazing! Would love to buy from his shop. I just got (2 weeks back) a 2010 911 Carrera 6MT and a well maintained car with clean carfax (lucky to find such a car) and love it. The sound was a bit loud when I startup and noticed it had the muffler bypass, a shark werk exhaust. I was told it was very nice.
Great content! You guys need a sister dealer / shop in the United States! One can buy these with absolute confidence and not think twice.
Agree 100% please choose West coast…
Toronto Canada could use you guys
Great video Luke two lovely 997's, the black one had to go OEM spec looked epic in the after shots. Great info on the MO30 suspension too, learnt something new about that option with LSD. Look forward to the next episode 👍
Hi David. Thanks for the feedback & you're welcome - every day's a school day!
Do you check for borescoring on 997's?
Hi Mr Fox. There are tell tale signs that help distinguish whether a car may have the starts of bore scoring and we do scope the bores if a car is showing these signs. In our opinion it is an overplayed issue. Thanks for viewing.
I have the MO30 sports suspension as well. I agree it’s a great drive. I’ve been trying to find out the production numbers of this spec without success, other than it’s rare !
The driving lights of the .1 is really nice. it looked so elegant and well designed. Wished it had stayed for the .2. The wheels in this one is beautiful too.
Glad I've found this channel. On the hunt for a 997 in the new year and some great info on here
Excellent Vid - I was told when replacing my clutch to not touch my RMS seal even if it was sweating as there are many complaints that replacing them will cause them to leak even worse than the old ones.
I don’t think that can be right. Perhaps the shop that told you that had a bad outcome or two, changing both IMS & RMS, when only one had been leaking. After the job, they’d induced a leak, perhaps by accidentally damaging the new seal during installation or worse, scratching the housing in which the seal sits.
Otherwise, a seal that’s replaced properly is no more likely to fail immediately than one in a new car right off the production line.
Some procedures are technically more difficult than others. I’ve replaced all sorts of seals in motorcycle engines & some removals are downright difficult. There are tools to make it easier but there’s always a risk of damaging a housing & it can be very easy to destroy a newly installed seal by failing to follow proper procedure during reassembly. Classic problem on many older bikes is the kickstart shaft seal. It’s so easy to nick the seal while slipping the seal over the shaft.
Some workshop staff are less skilled, less knowledgeable or less diligent than others.
All this emphasises how important it is to entrust your vehicle to people to know all about them, know how to do every possible mechanical task and, crucially, are personally committed to doing a great job of anything they take on as a business.
For example, I don’t think FGP does painting. It’s a highly specialised area. So they farm out paint to a trusted partner, while standing behind that work, which is appropriate but by no means always done.
@@GT380man
The reason to not touch the RMS unless leaking would be due to the well documented cases of cylinder case halves being mis-matched ever so slightly at the mating surfaces from the factory and therefore disturbing the existing seal can make the issue you are trying to resolve worse.
@Friendsgreenporsche Amazing job! Thanks for sharing. Are the new cooling pipes any upgrade from the factory ones?
Loving the videos, when you guys do suspension do you like to replace the full rear upper shock mount? the ones that are really expensive ?
Looks like the owner tried to emulate the GT3 RS with the side stickers & mirrors, but added their own weird touch with the hood & roof. It makes it look awkward. Btw the Carmon red is 🤌
Not having a mic on you while driving is really hard to take. If I turn the volume up to hear you then the car noise cancels you out. Harry Metcalf puts his mic on the offside and he gets some really noisy cars and then drives them really hard. Lol
Anyway, is the internal IMS bearing a better design and less prone to failure than the previous external design? And can those models with the earlier design be switched over or will the block casting not accept that?
I'm sorry, but I don't know what that tandem pump is that you mentioned.
I'm as curious about everything I see and here at 70+ yo as I was as a kid. Lol
Almost forgot. I want to see that blue 911 there. I think that has become my favorite Porsche color.
Please forgive my foul language but, Fucking A Yes! Keep them alive mate!!! 👍
Be good to know how much these typical repairs cost in parts and labour. Suspect a several grand.
Have been looking at 997s as my next 2nd/weekend car, but as I have never owned a 997 or any Porsche before, these videos are gold.. 👌🏼
Edit to add.. I’m in Stevenage, you’re local to me.. 🙌🏼
Hopefully see you soon then, Wayne!
Did u get your 997 fella. It’s been a year
What about bore scoring on the 997 S
Hi Ciscovip1 Walker. There are tell tale signs that help distinguish whether a car may have the starts of bore scoring and we do scope the bores if a car is showing these signs. In our opinion it is an overplayed issue.
Orange stripes aren’t for me.
Very good video 👍👍👍👍
Great vids, beautiful cars. The music is loud and annoying though.
Nice channel. New subscriber here. It’s fun to see behind the scenes of the Porche world, and experience your area. I have a similar channel here in the USA with Ford Mustangs. Take a look if you get a minute. Keep up the good work.
Doing (car) God's work on these precision instruments.
Orange stripes 🤦🏼♂️ I would rather have ginger balls
Great channel I have an 997.1 here in Seattle 2008 MY.You mentioned a stronger IMS bearing that can't be serviced,I have been recommended to remove outer seal when I do the clutch.55K miles on car.
There is no leak from the IMS or RMS. I will do the RMS seal for safety sake, should I have the garage remove outer seal?
Hi, if you're car is a 2008 model it will have the stronger IMS bearing and not require upgrading. I hope this helps.
ORANGE HAS TO GO..I CANT IMAGINE WHO WOULD HAVE THAT COLOUR SCHEME ,,,IT LOOKS SHOCKING
Great video. I didn't know about the M030 in lieu of PASM on a 997. Is it an option on 997.2 2S? I used the DSC controller on my 997.2 T4S. It makes the normal mode even softer, and the sport mode better for track days with it anticipating hard braking and hard acceleration better.
Hi Paul. M030 was still an option on the gen 2, but a very rare option that not many cars are around with. Thanks for watching.
What a cool job. I’d love to be around these cars all day everyday. Come to Texas!
You should have put the orange decals in a frame - near the bin area of the workshop !! Top video bro
Black porsche looks miles better without them orange stickers
Nice video. I've got an '06 Carrera S with M030 and the even much rarer X51 option. Nice to see someone discuss the differences between PASM and M030 in detail. Also had tandem pump and crossover coolant pipes replaced since owning the car (a bit over a year now). Top mounts, not yet, but I think they are starting to go.
That sounds like a very nice car you have there.
Original or OEM+ is the way to go on those 911 sport cars.
1000% agreed
Quality Vlog - well done Luke.
I’ve had my gen1 997 for 10 years, now got 100k on the clock, not cost a lot to run and serviced by Portiacraft in north london who sold it to me with no major issues at all and not even much in way of depreciation! Brilliant car to drive and still great value for the money
How has it been now?
This is becoming one of my favourite vlogs, really good content. How hard was it to do the tandem pump ? I bought one over 12months ago and those hex bolts look nasty to tackle . Your price menu is very fare indeed. Keep up these great vlogs.
Thanks very much for your feedback. The tandem pump is a pretty straight forward job.
It’s always sunny clear blue skies where you are!
It always is when there's Porsches around!
Absolutely superb video Luke, excellent helpful information that will undoubtedly assist all of us looking at 997’s for their next car. Stand out point for me was the IMS info as I’ve always been lead to believe than all Gen1’s had the IMS issues and all the Gen2’s didn’t hence why I haven’t looked at Gen1’s…Until I watched this vid 😃 One question though Luke…is the engine number you put on the screen the one for the later internal bearing model or the weaker earlier external bearing model? Once again…great vid 👍..Although you could’ve included some footage of the bench press in the corner being used 😄💪🏻
The red one is stunning, most definitely remove the orange decals!
Love your videos matey, keep up the good work.. 👍🏼
When you say you fixed the IMS, what is your preferred solution. I have a 986 with the double row bearing 2001 160,000km.
Thanks and great video.
GM
I was advised that my 2006 Carrera S does not have IMS issues since it is a 3.8 liter engine. Your YT video appears to say otherwise. Any advise will be appreciated.
James
Burgundy is fabulous. Shame more people didn’t choose it when new. Too many black and silver cars on the roads.
Orange stuff off ASAP
😂
The orange was best described as an acquired taste!
Would be great to see more 997 gen 2 content 👍
Excellent Vid guys ! I have a 997.1 similar spec to the the black 997 in this video (ie, the sports chassis). I've noticed a small amount of green liquid underneath the car, which i suspected was a coolant leak. I'll now investigate the condition of crossover pipes on my vehicle. Another common issue stone chips causing damage of the AC condensers (ie, loss of AC refrigerant), however i noticed the black vehicle already had some mesh installed in the front bumper area to mitigate this problem.
You've earned a new subscriber. I do not have a Porsche (yet!) because these are extremely expensive in my country. I am enjoying your explanations, reviews, and watching these beauties. I know to whom I would come for my Porsche if I was in living in the UK!
Good vid as usual.
So do you guys prefer the 996 or the 997.
I’m going to get a C4S next year but the prices are similar between both.
Love all the walk round and prep vids 👍👍, will hopefully be seeing you before Easter next year to secure my first 911 - a 997.1 CS - from FGP😁, picturing myself heading off up the drive as the lucky guy with the Carmen red............
Hi Adam, I look forward to meeting with you when the time's right to make your Porsche purchase. Thanks for watching
@@friendsgreenporsche5234 cheers Luke, counting the days to spring '21 and one of your 997.1's on my drive ready for cruising 😁🙏
@@adamlane5182Did you buy? I’m looking now, April 2024.
@@GT380man hi, yes I brought a 997.1 Carrera S coupe in March 2021, absolutely loved it, fabulous car and definitely worth having. Coincidentally sold it last month and now have my other choice being a V8 Vantage coupe, 4.3 manual which is equally a fabulous machine despite what the general Porsche owners say 🤣🤣🤣
So, stuff like the cross over pipes and the tandem pump, are you replacing them with improved parts or is this just going to happen again down the road? Thx
I just love that you guys don't do mods and remove them. The black wheels looked terrible, I love that you always refinish to the OEM silver.
Can you post the part numbers for these crossover pipes and the attached elbows for the early 997s. I really enjoy the videos by the way!
M030 seems very well composed and that ride height is juuuuust right
PASM is very intuitive. Not only does it stiffen the dampers so it’ll rattle your teeth out but it performs thousands of calculations a minute or whatever and when cornering it further stiffens whichever is the outer side and slightly softens the inner side for perfect cornering.
I would love to buy a 911 from you, man. Good job! 👍🏻 Subscribed!
Great vid, just subscribed! Been toying with the idea of a 997 so may give you a look!
Great review mate . I like the dark red 911 . Very rare to see . Hello from Australia 🇦🇺
My 997 has that option 30 suspension spec. , very interesting to see the comparison with the PASM model.
I just bought a 997.1 but I live in the States. Wish I was near you. Great video.
Great video
IMS bearings are a risk on any M96/97 engine car but isnt there also a risk or replacing it without full engine strip down? Pulling at a tight bearing puts stress on the shaft, cogs & chains causing potential other issues.
Hi Gary, thanks for your comment. We have changed 100's of these bearings and never had a problem.
Good video, but PASM on a 997 S does not drop the suspension ride height it only stiffens the dampers ,
Hi 1mediaUK. That’s incorrect. A Carrera S car with PASM is 10mm lower than a Carrera without (and also without M030 of course). The car doesn’t drop 10mm when PASM mode is selected, it is 10mm lower at all times. I hope this helps. Thanks for watching.
Excellent presentation. The best I have met up to now.
Subscribed and I don’t even own a Porsche lol.