This scene is hard to grasp in the tv show, but i think it is better explained and portrayed in the book. There is a reason Lila mocks Elena. She is furious. Throughout her life Lila was raised in the Rione, the book highlights well how it’s inhabitants are violent and uneducated in every sense. Specially when it comes to speaking. In their neighborhood they speak Neapolitan, a brute sounding dialect. The rich people are the ones that speak Italian. Lila gets really uncomfortable in the party because she feels like a fish out of water. Elena’s friend speak in fancy Italian, as if they are from the north and boast opinions about topics that Lila doesn’t know about. It is not necessarily about Lila being jealous about Elena having access to this environment. Lila sees how hypocritical most of Elena’s friends are. They are mostly really rich people from Italy’s left leaning bourgeoisie. They speak about the working class and labour conditions as if they own that narrative, not even considering Lila’s opinion who comes from a true working class family, because she can’t speak about her experience in the same way they do. She is seen the elitism that even the left leaning, progressive Italian youth boast. They don’t speak about these topics because they care about it, they speak to sound intelligent and fancy. So yeah, she’s jealous of Lenu but she is also angry that she seems to be loosing her identity as someone that comes from the Rione, adapting her new persona to fit in to this new environment, without thinking critically about it.
It's not true. The neapoliatn dialect Is not a brute One. Every region in Italy has its own dialect, and the neapoliatn Is One of them. In the past, people had no Money to go to school, from the North to the south of Italy, that's why people used not to learn how to speak italian. In this scene, elena's classmates are from naples too but they have studied how to speak italian properly, even If they can speak and understand neapolitan as well. The issue Is that lila Is jealous of Elena because She hasn't had the chance to improve herself by going to school and meeting well cultered people like Elena did. However even today people in Italy speak dialect, but we are accomplished with our language and our culture. Times have changed fortunately
Que análise esplêndida. ESPLÊNDIDA! A pior coisa que EXISTE é este tipo de gente. Conheço! Quer apenas se sentir MELHOR. E deslegitima à fala de quem não faz parte do lugar ao qual idolatra e de uma forma NOJENTA faz de tudo pra estar. TUDO! Interesse. Nao é o caso da Lenu nem da Lila❤
I read all four books and I can say actress who plays Lila is a great choice! Whoever chose her, did an excellent job. While I was reading books I imagined exactly that type of face and beauty for Lila. Lila is a deeply tragic character, complicated, but I like her so much! Her action and her energy lead the story in the book.
Lila, played by Gaia Girace, has to be, and I do not say this lightly, I am 59 yrs old now and have watched a LOT of dramas and movies - but this girl, considering her age, puts in one of the greatest acting performances throughout this entire series, I have ever seen, she is utterly fantastic ...I can't even praise her high enough because it wouldn't do her justice. Watching some of the utter drivel on UK tv where the acting is atrocious, they nearly all need to come and watch this...So realistic, almost beyond belief and she deserves every acting accolade there is.
I believe here Lila was purposely spiteful towards Lenú and what had become her world because she clearly saw what she had missed by succumbing to the Rione 's logic, aka getting married early to escape a life of material misery. But she got a life of moral misery instead. The realisation that what she had witnessed at the party could have been her life if only she had the tenacity of Lenú to pursue her ambitions came crushing down on her, and the only way she found to ease that pain was to belittle that world. On the other side, Lenú was hesitant to bring Lila with her to the party because she is fully aware that Lila, placed in such an environment, would have caught up with her in no time, obscuring her lifetime efforts of studies. In short, Lila always had the potential to be great but failed to oblige her inclinations because of external pressure by the family. Lenú was smart, but not brilliant like Lila. And nonetheless, she is the true demonstration that constance, and not talent alone, can make you a better person and free yourself from the grasp of poverty.
She don’t have a choice. Her parents said she is not allowed to go to school, to the extend of throwing her out of the 2nd level building. What else can a young girl do.
@@zhenghao123 yes, I agree she had no choice of course. But the life she was forced to lead has turned her into a frustrated young woman who, even if with no economic worries, feels trapped in a life she never wanted. Thus the only way to tolerate Lenù's academic success and circle of intellectually stimulating friends is to belittle them and demolish them in her eyes, knowing fully well the grip Lila has on her friend, who lives constantly in fear of comparison with her.
I think that's true, but I also think that lila generally disagreed with some of the "knowledge" those students were dropping. I think it was a mix of two things: Not only did she realize the world she missed out on, but she realized she could have excelled in that world and schooled those pretentious students in any debate had she been given the opportunity to. I think Lilass a bit jealous of lénus formal education and her school friends, but at the same time lila doesn't necessary admire those students and is instead proud of her less formal/ real world education. Definitely conflicting feelings going on here I think.
@@zhenghao123 She could have continued her education later on, but chose not to. Remember the bet with lénu that she made where, if she lost, she would apply to go back to school? that made it clear that she could continue her education if she wanted, but chose not to.
I don't think that Lenu is a good person.She was obssest with Lila whole life while Lila was living her life and even she loved Lenu she never thought of her that much.Lila saw potential in Lenu (for school)and friend that she can trust.She never thougt that Lenu was thinking so hatefull towards her and compere them all the time.Lenu is patetic person,jealous and "small" in every way
This scene was beautifully shot. The writing the casting, is just perfection. But these comments.... yes jealousy is apparent in Lila but her emotions and behaviors are far more complicated. You simply can’t boil down the friendship of Lila and Lenú to that of jealousy. Their friendship is hard to explain, they’re drawn to each other, they love each other, but at the same time the constant competition between the two the drive to not fall behind the other creates a sort of resentment, a suffocating tension between them. Lila believes she’s won that she’s lifted herself out of the poverty and suffering of her childhood, but she was wrong and she suffered. She realizes this completely at that party where she hoped she could escape to receive the same attention she did before, but she’s sees first hand how wrong she was with the decisions she made at that party. The people, how they spoke, how they acted, but most importantly how Lenú acted. She realized instead of getting ahead she got stuck. So she ridiculed it. She criticized all of it, it was a pitiful attempt to lift herself out of the hole she’d been put in. While Lenú on the other hand believed Lila would take away her hard work in seconds, she didn’t want Lila there.... she believed all people were drawn to her no matter what. And with that power of hers Lenú would be forgotten. She resented that, but was attached to it. So when it came down to the party... the attention she received gave her a sense of assurance and control “They want to speak to me and hear me” and it showed. She was so immersed with the people and her conversations that she’d almost forgotten about Lila. Unbeknownst to her creating another wedge between them. And there’s so so so much more.
I disagree your point of view. I think lila was dissappointed in the snobbistic behaviour of the intellectuals. It’s not genuine and Just a sharade. She warns her friend to lose her Self. She reminds her of the reality. It’s all a façade the academic world full of pretentious people who can talk an lot about nothing. How can you discus matters of war, poverty, social injustice and Exchange thoughts about it, without any changes. How can you know so much and be so educated about so many topics but just dont do anything about it? What’s the point then?! That is What lila is realy saying. It’s so frustrating to see.
I know Lila is being fake here, since she warned Elena not to trust anything she says earlier in the episode. But I agree with her here, even though this isn't her real opinion. Sarratore and others at that party were pretentious af.. trying so hard to pass off as intelligent but their words carry zero weight and make no real impact on the world. I know people just like this, who just talk and talk and talk but do nothing.
@@user-pi4su6je8p but they dont do that. They try to impress other people saying some "intelligent" opinions that they are actually just a copy of what other people said. Basically she is attacking the radical chic people. She prefers the left represented by Pasquale,closer to the real people.
Very much like today, the Educated (bleeding hearts similar to the Left) and the Working Blue Collars (try all to work their way up either in small business or Back breaking labor similar to today's Right)
H MF But there are not presenting their ideas they are presenting other people’s ideas and discussing other people’s thoughts while passing them off as their own.
Sarratore always talk talk... To seems smart and cool but in the end he don t said nothing... Armando has clear politic opinion he will become a comunist. Elena wants only impressed Nino...
Although all the comments here about Lila's jealousy are valid and are the main point, there is also something else going on. It is the relationship between Lila and her husband. She knows how to make him feel good by letting him know that her time away from him was wasted. She builds him up by belittling others and at the same time makes Lenu feel useless because she has no husband. I have done a little of this by playing down times that I have had apart from my own husband. When my sister and I took road trips together, we both avoided acting too excited about it when back at our own homes. Of course, in this case, Lila didn't have a good time...
Do you downplay the time away from him as courtesy, or because of his jealousy/whatever? Sounds like a lack of love on someone's side, not to accept that your significant other can have a great time away from you as well... In my relationship I wouldn't need anyone to downplay for me
@@laulago3771 I wrote that comment 4 years ago. Since then, my sisters' husband has passed away. She had regrets about how she had treated him at times, but no regrets about tamping down her enthusiasm for our road trips. It was times that she felt she was unkind or unfeeling towards him that she regretted. Yes, it was a courtesy and not because of any jealousy/whatever.
Lila is terrible here but she sees the life she could/should have had and it tears her asunder. By the time I got to the end of S2 I realised that everyone, every single person had stepped on Lila to go upwards. Even Lenu. Without Lila's force, her drive her motivation to push Lenu, she would never have risen herself. Lila gave her courage. And everyone used her courage to better themselves while she was left floundering behind. Better and cleverer than all of them but left in their wake. Sometimes she just had to claw back a small victory for herself.
Lila was just awful here. She really wanted to hurt Lenu, by throwing her sham of a marriage in her friend's face. Despite whatever Lila has gone through, Lenu did not deserve that.
It's funny that Lila begged Lenu to take her to the party but once she realizes that she's a nobody there unlike in her pleb neighborhood, she mocks and lashes out at Lenu. I'm not sure how Lenu after this still talks to Lila, but this would have been it for me.
I don't think she was that jealous (maybe at first). She still had been an object of desire among men, so due to the financial situation of the family she had to get married early. And she was probably very sorry and it was hard for her to accept that her friend was away from her. It is also possible that at first she was jealous of the fact that Elena had the opportunity to continue her education and was successful. She was unstable with Elena. But jealousy and unpleasant behaviour were not the result of hatred but of frustration. With time, a friend's happiness became her happiness too. All the feelings in this story were really complicated. Lila was a really difficult person and it probably had a big impact on relationships between the girls. I was also sorry when there wasn't good between them but that didn't mean it wasn't a real friendship. It was complicated but real. I could write a lot about it but i will end up here :) Greetings
@@tajam4769 Yes, but she had reasons to be jealous. Also I think jealousy and that Lila wasn't real friend is too simple description. Their friendship was different and hard but it still was an important relationship. I didn't mean to say something "cute" about their friendship and just defend Lila. I wanted to consider deeper meaning of the situation ;)
Lila is very complex and realistic. And I understand her behaviour. But time and again she uses Lenu to vent out her frustrations as if she were the root cause of all her problems. Constantly jealous of her and trying to prove her superiority. Lenu did get a lot of help from her but honestly I'm not sure it's worth all this degradation.
Well i love reading all these comments from people who clearly didn't get the scene at all or even the whole show. See. I used to feel terribly sorry for both of them. At first I was angry at Lila because she kinda ruined that moment that Lenu was so eager for, like finally a moment for her to "impress the others and feel part of that theatre". But, I realised later, poor Lila, those people were there talking mainly about power and class struggles from their place of privilege, and Lila knows her place in that society very well from a really young age. I cannot be angry at Lila, she was right, Lenu knows stuff, but what will she do with her knowledge after? Keep repeating history? Be just like all the academic people that sit comfortably in their studios to write about stuff they have not and never experience? That is why Lila says she better take Pasquale who has real experience first hand of what is wrong with that society.
There's a lot of contradictory feelings going on here with both characters. Although Lila is right with what she's saying, it is actually LILA who is repeating history and stuck in the same cycle most the other women in her town are stuck in ( she thought she could marry her way out of it, but she was wrong), and I think that that is where her frustration is coming from-that and the fact that she is a little bit jealous of the opportunity that these people have and are seemingly wasting by circle jerking themselves intellectually. Lénu on the other hand is glad to have found a circle of people that she can fit in with, but she is from the same socio-economic class as Lila, and she respects Lila's intelligence more than anyone else's and deep down lénu knew that there was some truth to the criticism that lila was making; she knew that those students, and herself included, were less preoccupied with "changing the world", but instead they were more preoccupied with looking for validation from their peers. At the same time, though, Lila didn't have to be so rude about it, especially bringing up the whole "I have a man and that's something you wouldn't know about" part. That was just Lila being cruel taking out her frustrations on Lénu.
Lilas frustration comes from missing the chance of having access to education that's the root of her jealousy. Elena vindicates her social class by writing the book itself.
she's not wrong but the delivery is spiteful and intended to hurt Elena. Unfortunately, her character is just as cruel as her environment, she did not rise above it.
She was given away by her parents. Very sad. She knew her chance to become educated and have more cultured friends had passed. She married into a criminal family.
rigoagui NO she’s not! Over here, yeah it does hurt when she attacks elena like that.. but you should all know that it’s because she realised that she’s apart from Elena when she tried to fit in that party..she got frustrated.. it’s quite natural ! EVERYTIME it’s all the same ! When the woman is always blunt , or voices out her opinions or had prodigal intellect or is she’s brave and gutsy enough , she is a bitch.. when a man has the same quality and if he’s boring and snobbish, he is celebrated ! Always wondered why... 😡
She realized how different (2 different ways of life) still exists today in society, I think Lila envies what she just realized that it is two different worlds. Lila is becoming Bitter !
Lila è disperata e purtroppo capisce di essere sola ...con una lenu che pensa solo a se stessa...e il suo amore per Sarratore ....purtroppo la povertà solo chi la subisce la capisce ...in più vittima di un uomo che pensa di poter comprare una donna
The first time I saw this scene; I believed Lila was jealous. It wasn't until a 2nd viewing that I realized she was jealous because THEY had Lenu's attention and admiration and it hurt. So, Lila hurts her back. That was my personal take, after some thought. The reason I like this show is because Lila loves Lenu, so fiercely. She can't bear to express it because she breaks down as she has when she did. Lenu loves her too. Passionately but not fiercely.
I can tell that the showrunners' favourite character is Lenu, because, after reading the books, Lenu wasn't exactly the nicest at this dinner party either. Lenu was behaving just as snobby as Lila made it out to be. Although, Lila isn't innocent either. Goes to show that neither character is better than the other, which is the reality for everything.
0:44 these gestures and text - is it some Italian proverb? Or is it Lila's own statement? Does she mean they are fake or something more, can you explain?
Stefano e Lila che ridono pensano di essere superiori, ma in realtà non fanno altro che compiacersi della loro esistenza piatta, dove manca ogni margine di miglioramento, anche minimo. Dispiaciuta per Elena che non riesce ad esprimere il suo disagio. Dovrebbe capire che lei ha la possibilità di uscire dal "rione" e cominciare una nuova vita.
It is really a pity, and it is sad, that one of the most important, and well known, Italian writer wrote a book which speaks the whole time about envy, cursedness, hate, wickedness, competition, violence against women and that such a book as such a big success. We should think about the level and standard of the culture today.
Pat Ditomasso It is on HBO (I buy HBO NOW gift card - they sell them in stores & sign up & pay using the HBO NOW gift card, and I only re-new hbo for 1 or 2 months when something this good is on HBO ) when you register SAVE your log in info & password & you can buy another gift card & restart your account when you want to) 👍🏻
@@pstick9934 You are very welcome It's very good, you will enjoy it, I'm not a big fan of HBO programming but I did buy the HBO Now card to watch "My Brilliant Friend"
Michael Savage brought me here too. Wonder if you can get the entire complete series to My Brilliant Friend with an HBO Now gift card or does it just give you a real-time live stream of HBO?
Oh you’re certainly not. Lila wasn’t written to be a good friend and Lenu wasn’t either. It’s a very rocky and complex relationship strained by a lot of trauma on both their ends
Chi studia va' avanti ma non vuol dire che possa capire un sentimento chiamato amicizia...puoi essere persona acculturata ma ua stupida nella vita anche i fascisti erano persone acculturate
This scene is hard to grasp in the tv show, but i think it is better explained and portrayed in the book. There is a reason Lila mocks Elena. She is furious. Throughout her life Lila was raised in the Rione, the book highlights well how it’s inhabitants are violent and uneducated in every sense. Specially when it comes to speaking. In their neighborhood they speak Neapolitan, a brute sounding dialect. The rich people are the ones that speak Italian. Lila gets really uncomfortable in the party because she feels like a fish out of water. Elena’s friend speak in fancy Italian, as if they are from the north and boast opinions about topics that Lila doesn’t know about. It is not necessarily about Lila being jealous about Elena having access to this environment. Lila sees how hypocritical most of Elena’s friends are. They are mostly really rich people from Italy’s left leaning bourgeoisie. They speak about the working class and labour conditions as if they own that narrative, not even considering Lila’s opinion who comes from a true working class family, because she can’t speak about her experience in the same way they do. She is seen the elitism that even the left leaning, progressive Italian youth boast. They don’t speak about these topics because they care about it, they speak to sound intelligent and fancy. So yeah, she’s jealous of Lenu but she is also angry that she seems to be loosing her identity as someone that comes from the Rione, adapting her new persona to fit in to this new environment, without thinking critically about it.
Ok. That was well put. I understand this scene better now
Wow!!! How insightful and well stated.
It's not true. The neapoliatn dialect Is not a brute One. Every region in Italy has its own dialect, and the neapoliatn Is One of them. In the past, people had no Money to go to school, from the North to the south of Italy, that's why people used not to learn how to speak italian. In this scene, elena's classmates are from naples too but they have studied how to speak italian properly, even If they can speak and understand neapolitan as well. The issue Is that lila Is jealous of Elena because She hasn't had the chance to improve herself by going to school and meeting well cultered people like Elena did.
However even today people in Italy speak dialect, but we are accomplished with our language and our culture. Times have changed fortunately
Que análise esplêndida. ESPLÊNDIDA! A pior coisa que EXISTE é este tipo de gente. Conheço! Quer apenas se sentir MELHOR. E deslegitima à fala de quem não faz parte do lugar ao qual idolatra e de uma forma NOJENTA faz de tudo pra estar. TUDO! Interesse. Nao é o caso da Lenu nem da Lila❤
It says in the book that Lila could speak Italian since primary school. Also, she didn't even try to participate in a conversation at the party.
everyone says they want a complicated character, when they have it they just think the character is mean
hahahaha hahahaha trueee!! and "jelousy" really isn't the only aspect of these scene either
omg yes! finally someone said it I was so mad reading these comments
@@extraco.6376 yes, the only thing they can say is « Lila* is selfish » oh come on!!
Also people should bear in mind the story is told from Lenu’s perspective
@@k.l.6611 exactly, we have Lila’s life only from her POV and we all know we should always listen to both versions of a story!:)
I read all four books and I can say actress who plays Lila is a great choice! Whoever chose her, did an excellent job. While I was reading books I imagined exactly that type of face and beauty for Lila. Lila is a deeply tragic character, complicated, but I like her so much! Her action and her energy lead the story in the book.
Elena Ferrante choose this actress. She wants that all the actors to be all unknown by the pubblic.
@@giadalombardi2953 Wow, thanks for the information!! Really amazing!
Lila, played by Gaia Girace, has to be, and I do not say this lightly, I am 59 yrs old now and have watched a LOT of dramas and movies - but this girl, considering her age, puts in one of the greatest acting performances throughout this entire series, I have ever seen, she is utterly fantastic ...I can't even praise her high enough because it wouldn't do her justice. Watching some of the utter drivel on UK tv where the acting is atrocious, they nearly all need to come and watch this...So realistic, almost beyond belief and she deserves every acting accolade there is.
Absolutly i love her too
I believe here Lila was purposely spiteful towards Lenú and what had become her world because she clearly saw what she had missed by succumbing to the Rione 's logic, aka getting married early to escape a life of material misery. But she got a life of moral misery instead. The realisation that what she had witnessed at the party could have been her life if only she had the tenacity of Lenú to pursue her ambitions came crushing down on her, and the only way she found to ease that pain was to belittle that world.
On the other side, Lenú was hesitant to bring Lila with her to the party because she is fully aware that Lila, placed in such an environment, would have caught up with her in no time, obscuring her lifetime efforts of studies.
In short, Lila always had the potential to be great but failed to oblige her inclinations because of external pressure by the family.
Lenú was smart, but not brilliant like Lila. And nonetheless, she is the true demonstration that constance, and not talent alone, can make you a better person and free yourself from the grasp of poverty.
She don’t have a choice. Her parents said she is not allowed to go to school, to the extend of throwing her out of the 2nd level building. What else can a young girl do.
@@zhenghao123 yes, I agree she had no choice of course. But the life she was forced to lead has turned her into a frustrated young woman who, even if with no economic worries, feels trapped in a life she never wanted. Thus the only way to tolerate Lenù's academic success and circle of intellectually stimulating friends is to belittle them and demolish them in her eyes, knowing fully well the grip Lila has on her friend, who lives constantly in fear of comparison with her.
I think that's true, but I also think that lila generally disagreed with some of the "knowledge" those students were dropping. I think it was a mix of two things: Not only did she realize the world she missed out on, but she realized she could have excelled in that world and schooled those pretentious students in any debate had she been given the opportunity to. I think Lilass a bit jealous of lénus formal education and her school friends, but at the same time lila doesn't necessary admire those students and is instead proud of her less formal/ real world education. Definitely conflicting feelings going on here I think.
@@zhenghao123 She could have continued her education later on, but chose not to. Remember the bet with lénu that she made where, if she lost, she would apply to go back to school? that made it clear that she could continue her education if she wanted, but chose not to.
I don't think that Lenu is a good person.She was obssest with Lila whole life while Lila was living her life and even she loved Lenu she never thought of her that much.Lila saw potential in Lenu (for school)and friend that she can trust.She never thougt that Lenu was thinking so hatefull towards her and compere them all the time.Lenu is patetic person,jealous and "small" in every way
This scene was beautifully shot. The writing the casting, is just perfection. But these comments.... yes jealousy is apparent in Lila but her emotions and behaviors are far more complicated. You simply can’t boil down the friendship of Lila and Lenú to that of jealousy. Their friendship is hard to explain, they’re drawn to each other, they love each other, but at the same time the constant competition between the two the drive to not fall behind the other creates a sort of resentment, a suffocating tension between them. Lila believes she’s won that she’s lifted herself out of the poverty and suffering of her childhood, but she was wrong and she suffered. She realizes this completely at that party where she hoped she could escape to receive the same attention she did before, but she’s sees first hand how wrong she was with the decisions she made at that party. The people, how they spoke, how they acted, but most importantly how Lenú acted. She realized instead of getting ahead she got stuck. So she ridiculed it. She criticized all of it, it was a pitiful attempt to lift herself out of the hole she’d been put in. While Lenú on the other hand believed Lila would take away her hard work in seconds, she didn’t want Lila there.... she believed all people were drawn to her no matter what. And with that power of hers Lenú would be forgotten. She resented that, but was attached to it. So when it came down to the party... the attention she received gave her a sense of assurance and control “They want to speak to me and hear me” and it showed. She was so immersed with the people and her conversations that she’d almost forgotten about Lila. Unbeknownst to her creating another wedge between them. And there’s so so so much more.
I disagree your point of view. I think lila was dissappointed in the snobbistic behaviour of the intellectuals. It’s not genuine and Just a sharade. She warns her friend to lose her Self. She reminds her of the reality. It’s all a façade the academic world full of pretentious people who can talk an lot about nothing. How can you discus matters of war, poverty, social injustice and Exchange thoughts about it, without any changes. How can you know so much and be so educated about so many topics but just dont do anything about it? What’s the point then?! That is What lila is realy saying. It’s so frustrating to see.
I know Lila is being fake here, since she warned Elena not to trust anything she says earlier in the episode. But I agree with her here, even though this isn't her real opinion. Sarratore and others at that party were pretentious af.. trying so hard to pass off as intelligent but their words carry zero weight and make no real impact on the world. I know people just like this, who just talk and talk and talk but do nothing.
@@user-pi4su6je8p but they dont do that. They try to impress other people saying some "intelligent" opinions that they are actually just a copy of what other people said. Basically she is attacking the radical chic people. She prefers the left represented by Pasquale,closer to the real people.
Very much like today, the Educated (bleeding hearts similar to the Left) and the Working Blue Collars (try all to work their way up either in small business or Back breaking labor similar to today's Right)
@@user-pi4su6je8p You didnt understand what we were saying. Lila said the truth. Those people were radical chic.
H MF But there are not presenting their ideas they are presenting other people’s ideas and discussing other people’s thoughts while passing them off as their own.
Sarratore always talk talk... To seems smart and cool but in the end he don t said nothing... Armando has clear politic opinion he will become a comunist. Elena wants only impressed Nino...
Although all the comments here about Lila's jealousy are valid and are the main point, there is also something else going on. It is the relationship between Lila and her husband. She knows how to make him feel good by letting him know that her time away from him was wasted. She builds him up by belittling others and at the same time makes Lenu feel useless because she has no husband. I have done a little of this by playing down times that I have had apart from my own husband. When my sister and I took road trips together, we both avoided acting too excited about it when back at our own homes. Of course, in this case, Lila didn't have a good time...
Do you downplay the time away from him as courtesy, or because of his jealousy/whatever? Sounds like a lack of love on someone's side, not to accept that your significant other can have a great time away from you as well... In my relationship I wouldn't need anyone to downplay for me
@@laulago3771 I wrote that comment 4 years ago. Since then, my sisters' husband has passed away. She had regrets about how she had treated him at times, but no regrets about tamping down her enthusiasm for our road trips. It was times that she felt she was unkind or unfeeling towards him that she regretted. Yes, it was a courtesy and not because of any jealousy/whatever.
Lila is terrible here but she sees the life she could/should have had and it tears her asunder. By the time I got to the end of S2 I realised that everyone, every single person had stepped on Lila to go upwards. Even Lenu. Without Lila's force, her drive her motivation to push Lenu, she would never have risen herself. Lila gave her courage. And everyone used her courage to better themselves while she was left floundering behind. Better and cleverer than all of them but left in their wake. Sometimes she just had to claw back a small victory for herself.
Lila was just awful here. She really wanted to hurt Lenu, by throwing her sham of a marriage in her friend's face. Despite whatever Lila has gone through, Lenu did not deserve that.
@@hamidahamida5950 No I agree, Lenu did not deserve that, but I understand WHY Lila did it. Such a good series and cannot wait to see the third.
Not just courage but Lila literally teaches her to read Latin on the show and provides books for her to study and food for her family to eat.
@@hamidahamida5950 That's what a complex character is
È una scena davvero tragica..il ghigno di Stefano e la disperazione negli occhi di Lila
I've been reading the neapolitan novels and I must say that Lila spitefulness in this scene is on point.
Coccoricò Coccoricò ...è mitica!
If I was Lenu I would have cried in the car 😂😂
Una fra le migliori scene del cinema italiano.
It's funny that Lila begged Lenu to take her to the party but once she realizes that she's a nobody there unlike in her pleb neighborhood, she mocks and lashes out at Lenu.
I'm not sure how Lenu after this still talks to Lila, but this would have been it for me.
Same for me haha
your reasoning is truly shallow
@@grethi8110 ok 💁🏽♀️. You're free to have a shallow one as well. No need to get uptight.
There's much more going on here than just jealousy.
Lila has always been jealous ...I don't see true friendship here...anyway I love this show made in my beautiful dialect!
I don't think she was that jealous (maybe at first). She still had been an object of desire among men, so due to the financial situation of the family she had to get married early. And she was probably very sorry and it was hard for her to accept that her friend was away from her. It is also possible that at first she was jealous of the fact that Elena had the opportunity to continue her education and was successful. She was unstable with Elena. But jealousy and unpleasant behaviour were not the result of hatred but of frustration. With time, a friend's happiness became her happiness too. All the feelings in this story were really complicated. Lila was a really difficult person and it probably had a big impact on relationships between the girls. I was also sorry when there wasn't good between them but that didn't mean it wasn't a real friendship. It was complicated but real. I could write a lot about it but i will end up here :)
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I’m just Ann that cute and all but she’s definitely jealous.
@@tajam4769 Yes, but she had reasons to be jealous. Also I think jealousy and that Lila wasn't real friend is too simple description. Their friendship was different and hard but it still was an important relationship. I didn't mean to say something "cute" about their friendship and just defend Lila. I wanted to consider deeper meaning of the situation ;)
@@imjustann7273 sounds like you read or are reading the books too
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@@pstick9934 I haven't yet, but I'm planning to :)
Lila is very complex and realistic. And I understand her behaviour. But time and again she uses Lenu to vent out her frustrations as if she were the root cause of all her problems. Constantly jealous of her and trying to prove her superiority. Lenu did get a lot of help from her but honestly I'm not sure it's worth all this degradation.
Well i love reading all these comments from people who clearly didn't get the scene at all or even the whole show. See. I used to feel terribly sorry for both of them. At first I was angry at Lila because she kinda ruined that moment that Lenu was so eager for, like finally a moment for her to "impress the others and feel part of that theatre". But, I realised later, poor Lila, those people were there talking mainly about power and class struggles from their place of privilege, and Lila knows her place in that society very well from a really young age. I cannot be angry at Lila, she was right, Lenu knows stuff, but what will she do with her knowledge after? Keep repeating history? Be just like all the academic people that sit comfortably in their studios to write about stuff they have not and never experience?
That is why Lila says she better take Pasquale who has real experience first hand of what is wrong with that society.
👏👏👏 someone finally said it.
There's a lot of contradictory feelings going on here with both characters. Although Lila is right with what she's saying, it is actually LILA who is repeating history and stuck in the same cycle most the other women in her town are stuck in ( she thought she could marry her way out of it, but she was wrong), and I think that that is where her frustration is coming from-that and the fact that she is a little bit jealous of the opportunity that these people have and are seemingly wasting by circle jerking themselves intellectually.
Lénu on the other hand is glad to have found a circle of people that she can fit in with, but she is from the same socio-economic class as Lila, and she respects Lila's intelligence more than anyone else's and deep down lénu knew that there was some truth to the criticism that lila was making; she knew that those students, and herself included, were less preoccupied with "changing the world", but instead they were more preoccupied with looking for validation from their peers. At the same time, though, Lila didn't have to be so rude about it, especially bringing up the whole "I have a man and that's something you wouldn't know about" part. That was just Lila being cruel taking out her frustrations on Lénu.
Lilas frustration comes from missing the chance of having access to education that's the root of her jealousy. Elena vindicates her social class by writing the book itself.
I still remember fellini's films , my favorites were " roma" and " amacord"
she's not wrong but the delivery is spiteful and intended to hurt Elena. Unfortunately, her character is just as cruel as her environment, she did not rise above it.
Lila is envious because she is not cultured and felt like an alien between those people
She was given away by her parents. Very sad. She knew her chance to become educated and have more cultured friends had passed. She married into a criminal family.
@@joannetullini6814 yes, it's like you said
Yeah but she also said right things about how some intellectual people never really "lived" and thinks they are original but they are only parrots.
rigoagui NO she’s not! Over here, yeah it does hurt when she attacks elena like that.. but you should all know that it’s because she realised that she’s apart from Elena when she tried to fit in that party..she got frustrated.. it’s quite natural ! EVERYTIME it’s all the same ! When the woman is always blunt , or voices out her opinions or had prodigal intellect or is she’s brave and gutsy enough , she is a bitch.. when a man has the same quality and if he’s boring and snobbish, he is celebrated ! Always wondered why... 😡
She realized how different (2 different ways of life) still exists today in society, I think Lila envies what she just realized that it is two different worlds. Lila is becoming Bitter !
"At least I've got a man." - Lila said, before being beaten to a pulp by her husband just a little while later.
You think you are proving yourseld better than her with this comment
Where's the best part?? CIAAAO GRECO
I missed it tok
I wanted to see this part its the best part of the clip
AHAHHAHAHA
Lila è disperata e purtroppo capisce di essere sola ...con una lenu che pensa solo a se stessa...e il suo amore per Sarratore ....purtroppo la povertà solo chi la subisce la capisce ...in più vittima di un uomo che pensa di poter comprare una donna
We all know a girl like this.. This character is perfecto
Jealousy big time.
The first time I saw this scene; I believed Lila was jealous. It wasn't until a 2nd viewing that I realized she was jealous because THEY had Lenu's attention and admiration and it hurt. So, Lila hurts her back. That was my personal take, after some thought. The reason I like this show is because Lila loves Lenu, so fiercely. She can't bear to express it because she breaks down as she has when she did. Lenu loves her too. Passionately but not fiercely.
This is the saddest part
I can tell that the showrunners' favourite character is Lenu, because, after reading the books, Lenu wasn't exactly the nicest at this dinner party either. Lenu was behaving just as snobby as Lila made it out to be. Although, Lila isn't innocent either. Goes to show that neither character is better than the other, which is the reality for everything.
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Às duas sao inteligentes mas a BRILHANTE é a Lila. Rafaela Cerullo❤
Lila is very mean here but after all she has a point :D
The trailers look great.
Watch all of it, it is quite simply one of the best drama series ever made and I don't say that lightly,,, it is a work of genius.
Lila would really be part of that party.. but there she understands that she has lost her opportunity to be like them
I don’t thinks she wants to be like them. She just wants to have what they have. But she genuinly doesn’t like them she’s too blunt for that crowd.
Great show
Oh Lila
0:44 these gestures and text - is it some Italian proverb? Or is it Lila's own statement? Does she mean they are fake or something more, can you explain?
Yes she means they are posing, it is not a proverb but her own way
Lila is such a genius, she saw right through those people.
Lila vs the radical chic
Buonisti
so interesting book..reaiding right now
Lila sfotte e Giovanni Amura se la ride di gusto XD
Hi, i'm italian
Me tooo
I am too
Stefano e Lila che ridono pensano di essere superiori, ma in realtà non fanno altro che compiacersi della loro esistenza piatta, dove manca ogni margine di miglioramento, anche minimo. Dispiaciuta per Elena che non riesce ad esprimere il suo disagio. Dovrebbe capire che lei ha la possibilità di uscire dal "rione" e cominciare una nuova vita.
It is really a pity, and it is sad, that one of the most important, and well known, Italian writer wrote a book which speaks the whole time about envy, cursedness, hate, wickedness, competition, violence against women and that such a book as such a big success. We should think about the level and standard of the culture today.
C'è qualche italiano? Nei commenti
Eccomi,eccomi sono proprio io
Sii
Anche troppi
I love this scene hahaha
No me gusta lila bueno si pero es un personaxe mantido por un home que acaba por completo
Por que não tem opções de LEGENDA EM PORTUGUÊS???
Mr savage brought me here , need to check it out , can i see on netflix or prime , dont have hbo.
Pat Ditomasso It is on HBO (I buy HBO NOW gift card - they sell them in stores & sign up & pay using the HBO NOW gift card, and I only re-new hbo for 1 or 2 months when something this good is on HBO ) when you register SAVE your log in info & password & you can buy another gift card & restart your account when you want to) 👍🏻
@@Carlaizabella thanx i might do that , the trailers look great..
@@pstick9934 You are very welcome It's very good, you will enjoy it, I'm not a big fan of HBO programming but I did buy the HBO Now card to watch "My Brilliant Friend"
Michael Savage brought me here too. Wonder if you can get the entire complete series to My Brilliant Friend with an HBO Now gift card or does it just give you a real-time live stream of HBO?
Am I the only one that don't consider lila a good friend?!I really don't like her!!!!
Oh you’re certainly not. Lila wasn’t written to be a good friend and Lenu wasn’t either. It’s a very rocky and complex relationship strained by a lot of trauma on both their ends
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È odiosa qui Lila
It is not the fault of Lenu if lila could not do studies
che posto disgustoso
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Lila sei solo invidiosa perché sai che chi studia va avanti
Chi studia va' avanti ma non vuol dire che possa capire un sentimento chiamato amicizia...puoi essere persona acculturata ma ua stupida nella vita anche i fascisti erano persone acculturate
Lila is mean and spiteful.
Lila is pure evil
Yeet
:c
Pointless tv series