@@AmyStrikesBack man i literally forgot about mania, and it's weird seeing barely nobody talk about it nowadays maybe it's just me, maybe i'm seeing way less mania content
@@evdestroy5304 Adding on to your statement, Eggman's leitmotifs from '06 have lasted a while. I _believe_ they weren't used in Frontiers, but I still wouldn't be surprised to hear them again in future releases. They're a really good set of musical things. (edit - grammar, fixed subject-verb agreement)
fun fact: this game wasn't initially developed as "Sonic 4", hell you can see the original name in the background of Casino Street Zone (it was gonna be titled "Sonic the Portable" and, as it suggests, was gonna be a mobile game first)
That explains the lack of momentum.I mean even Sonic fucking Advance which was also developed by Dimps had momentum. But if you think in a cheap and easy to do Sonic game that you can make it for a phone,and considering how simple phones were back then...I get it
Is it really only me who thinks that sonic 4 was sorta trying to copy the new super Mario bros style but then try to also make it 2d with cell shading and then made it completely terrible all at once?
I think the problem is that they used the rush engine physics for an advance-classic type of game. Thus, the really weird controls. I wonder why. I suspect that the advance engine was 2D, so they went with the rush engine for the 3D physics. They likely didn't have the time/resources/initiative to accomodate it to the classic gameplay. Also they expected it to kinda fly under the radar since it was going to be a mobile game, then SEGA or ST decided it is sonic four now. That's my guess
I think the answer is simple: Sonic 4 was developed as smartphone game called "Sonic the Portable". For some stupid reason Sega rebranded this mobile game as "Sonic 4 Episode I" to cash in the trend of cheap Xbox Live Arcade and Wiiware games and Episodic releases. Because this game was made for touch screen devices in mind, removing all momentum makes easier to control Sonic when you have no tactile feedback. So I believe the absence of momentum in Sonic 4 Episode I was a design choice. For Episode II they fixed the physics, somewhat, but that game got panned by critics despite being better than Episode I.
Took me like 5 minutes to realise this wasn't an old Alax video I somehow forgot about, it was a brand new one My man still has it on him, it's like he never left
if i had a quarter for everytime a franchise who’s mascot is an anthropomorphic animal made a 4th game in the franchise that was so bad they later retconned it out of existence with a true 4th game that was actually good… i’d have 50 cents.
Fun fact, this game was originally developed as a mobile exclusive and wasn't meant to be Sonic 4. But they ported it to consoles and PC and called it Sonic 4 for marketing. That explains why the game feels so cheap and lifeless. If they stuck to their original plan and never called it Sonic 4 nobody would still be roasting it today.
I remember buying this on steam being disgusted by the first level and never playing it again. Don’t think I’ve ever given up that fast on a game I bought ever
Thank you for reminding me that Kid Pix 3 existed Alax. That game was stored in the back of my brain until now. Gotta admit, you are one of the few RUclipsrs that hits specific niche interests and styles of humor that I like.
Reminder when this game was releasing it advertised itself as "Screw Sonic friends we hate them too". And fans back then loved this game because of that. This stigma Sonic fans had with his friends was something else.
@@vividcolorandrichaudio6134 I can understand that. But at that time it just felt like Sonic fans never even wanted their friends to appear in no capacity it was ludicrous when you think about it.
@@vividcolorandrichaudio6134 I would argue it was also the fans who believe these same critics back then. I remember seeing a parody trailer about Sonic 4 and the whole joke around was that storytelling and Sonic friends are the problem we just want Sonic and that's it. I get it Sonic 06 but still it's ridiculous that it was blamed solely on that instead of Sega being incompetent.
i think the worst thing they did with this game, is call it sonic 4 because of that, the chances of we ACTUALLY getting a good sonic 4 to replace this, is almost zero
I unfortunately played this when i was a kid and i remember this game clearly. The fondest memory i have with it is when i stopped playing the game and started playing with my hotwheels cars
This game shouldn't have been split into 2 parts, it should've been split into 8 and shoved into cereal boxes to advertise the actual game. This is a flash game you get in a kids meal.
one of my friends FORCED me to play this game like a year ago and I couldn't forget about this game IT CHANGED ME MAN IT HURTS TO THIS DAY THE SONG OF THE BONUS LEVELS STILL PLAYS ON REPEAT IN MY NIGHTMARES
i remember being so excited as a kid for games like Colors and 4 that even though i knew deep down inside that something was seriously wrong as i played them, i still told myself "no this is- this is FANTASTIC! no yeah im really enjoying just... holding boost... and hearing baldy mcnosehair... y-yeah these games are great!!! Sonic cant be beat!!!" man i was in SUCH denial that i genuinely had no idea how much i actually fucking despise these games in reality until Cybershell told me for me lmfao 6:55 genuinely has my jaw on the floor. i cannot believe this is a real game. what. the. fuck. is THAT.
Can Sonic fans bring up anything else aside from "Baldy McNosehair" when talking about this game's story please? Also the "holding boost" argument doesn't make any sense since Colors is the most platforming heavy boost game. Did you even play the game for more than the first few levels?
If you could, I think a good sonic game to cover is sonic and the black knight. Because someone looked at sonic and said “You know, this is good, but you know what it needs? Arthurian mythos.” And than sega did that.
@@vividcolorandrichaudio6134 No, 06's hub worlds are easy if you know where to go, you're barely ever in them, and shadow's quests aren't bad, they're all extremely easy and usually just involve not ignoring the entire level, the "kill all enemy" quests are something you always do in one run except for the one on the nonlinear ark stage
The fact that they tried to hide the fact that Sonic is a 3D model using ultra high contrast and pixelation makes my brain want to implode. Like, it's so painfully obvious with the world map and Sonic himself being 3D that they wanted the levels to be fully 3D modeled but they just gave up before they even started.
Of course, we can't forget about the game's biggest flaw: Sonic has green eyes. (That's a deep cut reference no one's going to get... And if you do get it, I pity you)
I can’t forget about this game because this was my first sonic game; bought it on the wii ware. It was 15 dollars; the biggest problem for it for me was the price. It is just 4 zones and the special stages. Looking back on it I just found the fact that I was playing a classic-feeling sonic game to be fun, with no context of the originals. Looking back on it today this game and episode 2 has aged like milk.
I wanna take a guess on the compiled renders at 2:05 So his head is a Sonic and the Secret Rings render used to promote the game and all that The hand feels very Unleashed like And the body is possibly from Sonic Rush?
Remember when Jim "Dollar Store Wig" Sterling wrote an article about this game calling Sonic Retro "the biggest sonic hate forum" or some dumb shit like that and said that people who took issue with the shit physics should just stop complaining? Genuinely can't believe anyone ever took him seriously.
Couldn't help but notice you have Spark the Electric Jester games in your steam library! I love that series and wouldn't mind if you made a video on it!
Admittedly, this time they succeeded in making me forget about this.
Mania straight up made everyone forget this game
Sonic 06 and boom tried the same thing.
@Tree_5000 No, they didn't, 06 was in Gens and has music in the Frontiers update, and they still sell merchandise revolving around it
@@AmyStrikesBack man i literally forgot about mania, and it's weird seeing barely nobody talk about it nowadays
maybe it's just me, maybe i'm seeing way less mania content
@@evdestroy5304 Adding on to your statement, Eggman's leitmotifs from '06 have lasted a while. I _believe_ they weren't used in Frontiers, but I still wouldn't be surprised to hear them again in future releases. They're a really good set of musical things.
(edit - grammar, fixed subject-verb agreement)
fun fact: this game wasn't initially developed as "Sonic 4", hell you can see the original name in the background of Casino Street Zone (it was gonna be titled "Sonic the Portable" and, as it suggests, was gonna be a mobile game first)
I played it on mobile as a kid. Back in the iPhone 4 days.
The game isn’t great but I have a lot of nostalgia for it.
That explains the lack of momentum.I mean even Sonic fucking Advance which was also developed by Dimps had momentum.
But if you think in a cheap and easy to do Sonic game that you can make it for a phone,and considering how simple phones were back then...I get it
@@xxsegaxx Dimps had no creative freedom when making this game.
@@MarioLuigi0404 That's gotta be the most reasonable statement on a Sonic game ever made.
Is it really only me who thinks that sonic 4 was sorta trying to copy the new super Mario bros style but then try to also make it 2d with cell shading and then made it completely terrible all at once?
The momentum problem in this game is so perplexing because Dimps proved that they knew how to make good sonic physics with the Advance and Rush games.
I think the problem is that they used the rush engine physics for an advance-classic type of game. Thus, the really weird controls. I wonder why. I suspect that the advance engine was 2D, so they went with the rush engine for the 3D physics. They likely didn't have the time/resources/initiative to accomodate it to the classic gameplay. Also they expected it to kinda fly under the radar since it was going to be a mobile game, then SEGA or ST decided it is sonic four now. That's my guess
And 3DS classic Sonic physics are genuinely on point
@@alescano3504 Ok but the rush engine wasn't mobile compatible
@@alescano3504 none of that makes any sense from a programming perspective
I think the answer is simple: Sonic 4 was developed as smartphone game called "Sonic the Portable". For some stupid reason Sega rebranded this mobile game as "Sonic 4 Episode I" to cash in the trend of cheap Xbox Live Arcade and Wiiware games and Episodic releases.
Because this game was made for touch screen devices in mind, removing all momentum makes easier to control Sonic when you have no tactile feedback. So I believe the absence of momentum in Sonic 4 Episode I was a design choice.
For Episode II they fixed the physics, somewhat, but that game got panned by critics despite being better than Episode I.
I learned to count thanks to Sonic! 1, 2, 3, & Knuckles, Mania... That's all I can remember...
1, cd, 2, 3 , and knuckles, mania
It's almost as if Sonic 4 happens after Sonic Mania 🤔
1, CD, 2, 3, & Knuckles, Mania, Adventure, Adventure 2, Heroes, Shadow, Rush, 06, Rush adventure, Secret rings, Unleashed, Black Knight, Colors, Generations, Lost world, Forces, Frontiers.
Sonic 1, 2, CD, 3 and Knuckles, Triple Trouble, 4, MANIA
@@novaofthestars
1, CD, 2, 3, & Knuckles, Mania, Plus...
Took me like 5 minutes to realise this wasn't an old Alax video I somehow forgot about, it was a brand new one
My man still has it on him, it's like he never left
nothing makes me happier than seeing Alax is back I can't lie
🎅 What about Christmas?
Can the other brothers even deny?
amen brother
We only need jakey too
7:33 that was a nice ytp moment right there
ABSOLUTELY
RelaxAlex channeling his YTPMV skills and bringing in all that fnaf experience he’s been playing for this
I feel like this is more like...The Sonic game we can collectively agree to forget about.
Damn this was the better title and I blew it. Take the channel I guess.
@@relaxalax gamin'.
@@relaxalax This game was made by Dimps, who also made Sonic Advance.
Not me. I still love this game.
Ep 2 is an improvement
if i had a quarter for everytime a franchise who’s mascot is an anthropomorphic animal made a 4th game in the franchise that was so bad they later retconned it out of existence with a true 4th game that was actually good…
i’d have 50 cents.
Is the second banjo kazooie, jack and daxtar or rachet and Clank. I'm not too familiar with those and I'm curious.
@@FailedUltimatelifeForm7-10 it’s Crash
@@samueld8413 there was a fourth game before the remakes and Crash 4 it's about time ?
@@FailedUltimatelifeForm7-10 COUGH COUGH
(wrath of cortex) COUGH COUGH (crash 4 in japan)
I was anticipating the classic "which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice" but then I remembered you said quarter instead of nickel.
The comedic timing in this video has me sliding up a wall like sonic after a grand time at casino street.
6:42 Bro didn't even say yes and he was crushed
Im always excited for the way Alax appears through the door as an introduction. This one has to be my favorite aside the mario strikers one.
Imagine the expression on Isaac Newton's face when he finds out his laws of motion are being violated by a Sonic made of cheap plastic.
For a second I misread the start of this comment as "Imagine the motion blur on Isaac Newton's face" 💀
3:46 I LOVED Kid Pix in elementary school bro I completely forgot about it, what a memory you've unlocked thank you
Alex’s fnaf trauma is slowly seeping into these videos and i absolutely adore it-
8:24
Honestly Alax, bless you for continuing putting this clip into every video you do now. I literally load a video eager to find when it plays
The fact that Sonic Mania's intro COMPLETELY IGNORES the existence of Sonic 4 tells you everything you need to know
I'm convinced that Alax made this entire video around the time he was moving just so he could make that "There's a lot to unpack here" pun.
10:01 genuinely caught off guard by the lack of "meow" or Ganon sound censoring
Y'know that alax breaks the "meow"s
Thank you new RUclips policies for letting creators swear again
Fun fact, this game was originally developed as a mobile exclusive and wasn't meant to be Sonic 4. But they ported it to consoles and PC and called it Sonic 4 for marketing. That explains why the game feels so cheap and lifeless. If they stuck to their original plan and never called it Sonic 4 nobody would still be roasting it today.
2:11 this is the most Canadian thing mans has ever said, and I love it
5:04 just the perfectly spaced row of trees. Thats physically painful.
I remember buying this on steam being disgusted by the first level and never playing it again. Don’t think I’ve ever given up that fast on a game I bought ever
The mobile versions are the complete versions of the game, you played the unfinished version
10:41 genuinely some of the most nauseating gameplay ever, "ah yes let's take the already dizzying special stage from sonic 1 and make it WORSE"
as a stupid 7 year old I adored these two games but looking back at em, holy shit 😭
Sonic's animation in this game looks like a modern remaster of 'Sonic Blast' for the game gear.
A true Sonic fans never forget and forever keeps a grudge.
Sounds about right
Thank you for reminding me that Kid Pix 3 existed Alax. That game was stored in the back of my brain until now. Gotta admit, you are one of the few RUclipsrs that hits specific niche interests and styles of humor that I like.
The thumbnail is simple, beautiful, and yet funny. I had to stop for a moment to appreciate this thumbnail
7:39 best part in this video
I saw the dumbnail and thought "oh, that's sonic Caos or sonic triple trouble"
Reminder when this game was releasing it advertised itself as
"Screw Sonic friends we hate them too".
And fans back then loved this game because of that. This stigma Sonic fans had with his friends was something else.
I could see why. In most 2000's Sonic games, the fast Sonic levels were the best parts, but were constantly interrupted by the other characters.
@Vivid Color, and Rich Audio! Or in same games like Adventure 2 be over 2/3 of the game...
@@vividcolorandrichaudio6134 I can understand that. But at that time it just felt like Sonic fans never even wanted their friends to appear in no capacity it was ludicrous when you think about it.
@@KgEclispe252
I wouldn't really say it was the fans, mostly the critics. It explains why episode 1 had decent reception.
@@vividcolorandrichaudio6134 I would argue it was also the fans who believe these same critics back then. I remember seeing a parody trailer about Sonic 4 and the whole joke around was that storytelling and Sonic friends are the problem we just want Sonic and that's it. I get it Sonic 06 but still it's ridiculous that it was blamed solely on that instead of Sega being incompetent.
The most entertainment I’ve gotten out of Sonic 4 is watching people roast the living shit out of it
And this is a primary example 💀 great stuff
10:48 you know when someone is watching Scott ot the woz
0:18 my honest reaction to Sonic The Hedgehog 4
12:08
Super Sonic
Is invincible and 2x faster
Still dies from being crushed, drowning or falling in a bottomless pit
i think the worst thing they did with this game, is call it sonic 4
because of that, the chances of we ACTUALLY getting a good sonic 4 to replace this, is almost zero
Seeing alex have skullgirls in his steam library was the biggest case of whiplash I wasn't expecting, also spark the electric jester 1-3 vid when?.
I unfortunately played this when i was a kid and i remember this game clearly. The fondest memory i have with it is when i stopped playing the game and started playing with my hotwheels cars
Adding all the irl video clips like you moving and wrapping yourself in tin foil is fire af it perfectly adds character to the video
Cling film
You’re editing skills are unmatched. Every joke hits
I always forget this one. I remember a lot of the side games like Chronicles, Shuffle and Spinball. But this one always slips my mind.
idk why the "i didnt throw up i swear" killed me i love you relaxalaxalax
that sound he has been using at the beginning of each video since his comeback is so satisfying
3:46 HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS
You’ve resurrected a memory I’d lost long ago…
Please never stop using DK screaming as he falls off the Minecart track, funny af.
How many times has he used it?
*99+ missed calls from Isaac Newton.*
Your channel was blessed by the algorithm, and I'm glad. What a gem of a channel.
This game shouldn't have been split into 2 parts, it should've been split into 8 and shoved into cereal boxes to advertise the actual game. This is a flash game you get in a kids meal.
one of my friends FORCED me to play this game like a year ago and I couldn't forget about this game
IT CHANGED ME MAN
IT HURTS TO THIS DAY
THE SONG OF THE BONUS LEVELS STILL PLAYS ON REPEAT IN MY NIGHTMARES
0:50 Average mega collection enjoyer ❤
i remember being so excited as a kid for games like Colors and 4 that even though i knew deep down inside that something was seriously wrong as i played them, i still told myself "no this is- this is FANTASTIC! no yeah im really enjoying just... holding boost... and hearing baldy mcnosehair... y-yeah these games are great!!! Sonic cant be beat!!!" man i was in SUCH denial that i genuinely had no idea how much i actually fucking despise these games in reality until Cybershell told me for me lmfao
6:55 genuinely has my jaw on the floor. i cannot believe this is a real game. what. the. fuck. is THAT.
Can Sonic fans bring up anything else aside from "Baldy McNosehair" when talking about this game's story please? Also the "holding boost" argument doesn't make any sense since Colors is the most platforming heavy boost game. Did you even play the game for more than the first few levels?
Colours*
I used to play the mobile version of this on tablet, and… yeah, this looked and functioned WAY better when my brain was the size of a gerbil.
I love seeing all of Alax's entrances at the beginning of every video. It just makes my Thursdays 😁
If you could, I think a good sonic game to cover is sonic and the black knight. Because someone looked at sonic and said “You know, this is good, but you know what it needs? Arthurian mythos.” And than sega did that.
2:46 I never thought being Texan felt that dirty.
Not that I am (I'm from Chile), but the feelin' is just the same.
He’s low key committed to use the Donkey Kong Country mine cart clip on every video this season huh?
This was a nightmare. Can't wait for episode 2! 😉
Now which sega executive thought “hmm nah its good enough to be a non-exclusive mobile only game,put it on the shelves”
9:32 we got starved eggman XD
“You don’t even know your own fate, hedgehog.”
When I went back and played 06 and Shadow, I loved them. This game was a different story.
If you can tolerate 2006's abysmal hub world, or the fetch quests in Shadow, you should have no problem with Sonic 4.
@@vividcolorandrichaudio6134 No, 06's hub worlds are easy if you know where to go, you're barely ever in them, and shadow's quests aren't bad, they're all extremely easy and usually just involve not ignoring the entire level, the "kill all enemy" quests are something you always do in one run except for the one on the nonlinear ark stage
@@Eevee860
"The hubworlds are easy if you've preemptively memorized the entire thing"
yeah, that's the problem.
Considering the mobile version of all two-and-a-half episodes still exists I don’t think they’re trying very hard to make you forget
1:48 I didn't know Midoriya was a Sonic fan boy too.🤣
I was already feeling kinda sick today so when the special stage came up I had to legit look away!
I am suddenly possessed by the urge to go back and play Ultimate Flash Sonic
10:19 killed me
were you sonic
bro this is totally one of the best fucking thumbnails i've seen in the history of youtube
It really does look like it was made by Scott Cawthon, very appropriate timing Alax
You made so many references to FNAF I'm convinced this is a FNAF game and not a sonic game
@Nam Gge he's priming us like Disney channel with finding nemo
5:29 ah yes, sideways Australia.
Peru
The fact that they tried to hide the fact that Sonic is a 3D model using ultra high contrast and pixelation makes my brain want to implode. Like, it's so painfully obvious with the world map and Sonic himself being 3D that they wanted the levels to be fully 3D modeled but they just gave up before they even started.
These intros are just so… no words to describe it honestly
6:57 he just casually walks up the building in a nonchalant type way
4:10 the way he says that is very funny
Of course, we can't forget about the game's biggest flaw: Sonic has green eyes.
(That's a deep cut reference no one's going to get... And if you do get it, I pity you)
At least they didn't make his arms blue. Could you imagine how certain "fans" would've reacted if they ever did that.
No, no I get the reference...
Alax making weekly bangers is now a ingrained part of my Thursday.
love seeing what your gonna do for the intro each time!
I’m am here to say that the real Sonic 4, Sonic Superstars has been shown off today for the first time and it looks SOOOOO GOOOD!
Sonic's new abilities in S41+2:
Homing attack.
Plastic surgery.
Knocking off Donkey Kong Country.
Walk up walls.
"Plastic surgery". Quite literally. Sonic in this game looks like he's made of plastic
I can’t forget about this game because this was my first sonic game; bought it on the wii ware. It was 15 dollars; the biggest problem for it for me was the price. It is just 4 zones and the special stages.
Looking back on it I just found the fact that I was playing a classic-feeling sonic game to be fun, with no context of the originals. Looking back on it today this game and episode 2 has aged like milk.
7:33
...Such a banger dude, like actual🔥...
I am officially starting my addiction to Alax's sense of comedic timing 👍
You know what I'd love to see more of? That Magnum Opus series you did for a second. I loved that stuff and really enjoyed it.
I wanna take a guess on the compiled renders at 2:05
So his head is a Sonic and the Secret Rings render used to promote the game and all that
The hand feels very Unleashed like
And the body is possibly from Sonic Rush?
Hand is rivals
Remember when Jim "Dollar Store Wig" Sterling wrote an article about this game calling Sonic Retro "the biggest sonic hate forum" or some dumb shit like that and said that people who took issue with the shit physics should just stop complaining?
Genuinely can't believe anyone ever took him seriously.
3:43
*…Don’t do that, don’t compare a good game to a bad game*
*FNaF World deserves better than to be compared to Sonic Rehash 4*
THATS WHAT I AM SAYING!
8:43 Lol that looks like a mix of Scyther and Snivy
Every water level in gaming at 6:25
Couldn't help but notice you have Spark the Electric Jester games in your steam library! I love that series and wouldn't mind if you made a video on it!
Sonic 4 is honestly a great sonic fan game.
7:32 I need a full version of this
1:22 I remember I got Generations, Adventure 1 and 2 and Sonic 3 for $11 on a sale
Sonic Mania opening acknowledged Sonic CD as the true Sonic 4
Remember that
4:07 The Ed Edd n’ Eddy SFX kinda jumped me since I was writing for my EEnE fanfiction series while listening to this
Robotnik did that arm animation from GoAnimate in the death egg lol
8:00 These enemies are actually from Sonic 2, you dingus.
"his run cycle looks like a shitty burger king toy"
fuckin amazing
7:46
nothing else I can say
Very happy you started making videos again, I needed this