Another suspect also friends with the first suspect, and has connections with the mob. Doesnt seem very mysterious case to me or why police was so incompetent
I mean almost EVERY unsolved case mainly comes down terrible crime scene handling, lost evidence, crap investigation, or just flat out collusion. Super rare to see cold cases that started off with a professional investigation from the start. But yeah that scumbag absolutely covered for his buddy, its a small town cop whos going to stop him
I live 7 minutes from The Keddie Cabins. Plumas County Sheriff's office really blew the investigation. As a matter of fact, there are still several missing and murdered people from this area that are never solved. The Golden State Killer among other SK's hunted this region.
Probably because they all know know that Martin and Bo did murder them but no one wants to get involved. Plus if Martin and the sheriff were really that good of friends, then them speaking out could get them killed or arrested.
As stated in this report, the sheriff was friends with the murderer, what’s new, and he covered up for his buddy. What’s new? This is the way human Swine behave…. Mostly humans are horrible, but some are good enough that maybe civilization emerges someday. But not yet…
It’s not healthy to run around thinking everyone around you is evil. Sounds more like you have deep personal issues that are unresolved and therefore you view everyone but you as an evil human
When Shane and Ryan where still doing BuzzFeed Unsolved they did this case and went to the location where the cabin used to be. This was one of those stories that make you feel gross when you hear about it.
I’m from near the area and have been to the Keddie resort, and they still have the destroyed remains of the building there. The people who live there make it very clear they don’t want you to look there though
How common is it? I'm not being picky, I'm genuine curious. Have there been studies showing corruption of sheriffs? I could see some police being corrupt, but Sheriffs are elected officials. So the people are the ones who vote them in. So how do you know corrupt sheriffs are a very common thing?
@@self-righteousideologue9398 I don't have any direct evidence but every town I have ever lived in has had a corrupt sheriff. It's usually just a thing the townsfolk deal with. They say he keeps them safe so what does it matter if he's a racist, a rich prick, or if he's beating those running against him, quite literally. Eventually people stop running against them or it becomes pretty rare. Maybe it's a Texas thing but I'm starting to wonder.
@@self-righteousideologue9398 Being elected doesn’t mean you aren’t corrupt and if you think it makes it less likely just look at congress. We’ve got a serious police corruption problem in the US, if you honestly believe police officers can be corrupt but the heads of their departments aren’t I have a beautiful bridge in Brooklyn I can sell to you for cheap
@@carsonsabir8359 - I never said Sheriff's aren't corrupt. OP said its far too common. I was wondering if he had proof of that assertion, or if it was just an opinion
When I read the title, I thought you'd done it on these murders. I moved to Quincy after it happened, and even tho it had been a couple of years, people were talking about it like it had just happened. It really spooked/upset those small communities. I was good friends with Mike G. and family all through Jr. and Sr. high. It tore Mike up that he couldn't really ever solve it. And they'll likely never know why it happened. Last I had heard, they were pretty sure they knew the who, but sadly by that time they'd already passed away.
Do you still live there? I’m from Paradise and remember going to swim meets in Quincy. We were stupid kids and decided to explore the Keddie resort until we were chased out with guns
Makes so much sense for it to be the friends dad. His wife was planing to leave him and went to Sue for help. The husband was mad that Sue was giving her the confidence to leave him, so she murdered them. Which is also why the room with the boys was left untouched because the husbands son was in that room with the sharp kids. That would make his letter make more sense, that he killed for their love.
@@mmisafire i thought the same…it crossed my mind that the boy saw his father and he lied…or tried to convince himself it wasn’t his father. He probably saw something and disassociated. Who knows what trauma does to you…
@@EmpSandra if his dad did it, he didnt go in the room his son was in. So his son wouldn't of seen him and explains why the other kids were left alive.
This is so weird because just yesterday I was thinking about looking up this case again to see if there were any new developments or theories as I was browsing Reddit, and here comes Lazy with yet another amazing video. You're the best! Always there when I need a mystery fix!
This case not only should have been solved but if the local sheriff had taken the threats against Sue this could have been prevented. Worst of all is that there is only one reason these 2 would abduct the 12 year old Tina. But most people that cover it don't seem to think it's weird that they took Tina with them. You forgot to mention that Jon hated Martin Sharp because he had been threatening his mother.
Most people don’t understand that most local law enforcement are both indifferent to non-action situations and most also have no more investigative skills than the average person. This goes triply so for a cop in 1981. Beyond that, most small town cops back in the 70s and 80s were jock types, not geared for analytical thinking. As for Tina, for all we know, she could still be chained up in a basement somewhere.
I had never heard of these murders before. Sue being gagged with her own underwear and left half dressed seems like an act of vengeance against her and meant to humiliate her. Like many serial killers leave their victims "displayed" in the open to be found. Seems personal to me and those 3 neighbours including Marilyn had to have been involved. My Theory is the neighbours went over to exact revenge on Sue for having an affair with Martin. They had called over earlier that night and John and his friend were not there. The boys came back and tried to defend Sue. Things turned violent. Tina woke up to the noise and they left with her, can only imagine she went through he'll before eventually being killed by Bo. As for Martin's son who was staying over he possibly witnessed some of this and re invented his memories of it or was threatened into silence.
*Agreed. Seems to be the most plausible explanation. The corrupt cops obviously chose to ignore this scenario. How do these corrupt cops sleep at night?* BTW, does anyone else think that photo of the missing (and later found dead) girl looks like a girl MUCH older than 12 years? I'm not saying she isn't 12, but that photo looks like she could be at least 21. Just sayin'. Anyway... overall, this is such a very sad story! R.I.P. to all of the dead victims. *BTW, Lazy Masquerade is still the King of Storytelling on RUclips! Great job!*
Seems legit, but I cant imagine all those people were involved and no one slipped up. Even having 2 people involved is how most crimes get solved. I think its was just the 2 friend Martin and whoever. That's why they didnt bother with the kids in the room with his son and they took the lil girl for some disgusting assault reason. But who really knows
Good analysis of all the information. When you mentioned serial killers leave their victims "dispalyed" in the open..it reminded me of the Rebecca Zahau case.
Sheila has an alibi for the entire night and she'd never be able to overpower Jon and Dana on her own. Plus Sheila is the only person trying to get law enforcement to do their damn job.
No, Mike has worked tirelessly on this case. And IIRC, even came out of retirement several years ago and is pretty sure he knows the who, but not the why. I left Quincy many, many years ago and haven't been back, but I caught an updated story on either DiscoveryID or Oxygen talking about Mike working the case again and being pretty sure he'd solved it but the culprits had already passed away.
How Dare You Exist no it’s one 14 year old girl, overpowering her mother, brother and his 17 year old friend. Very unrealistic sorry to say but she could’ve been involved if the story about the child is correct
@@howdareyouexist Hahahaa. No it ain’t. The average strength of men being greater than that of women is a biological fact, not misogyny. And we ain’t even talking about a woman, rather a 14 year old girl vs several other older people, two of whom are young men.
I've heard of this case before; but you covered it so well. It's so tragic and mysterious. Also it's highly eerie that Martin looks like Jack Torrance from 'The Shining'.
Thanks for covering this one. It happened not too far from where I currently reside. Other people have gone up there because it's a tourist attraction apparently. Its definitely one of the most unnerving stories I've heard.
Glad you covered a murder(s) I haven't heard of before. You and MrBallen are literally the MOST precise true crime RUclipsrs and I really appreciate every bit of your research and overall work. You are such an amazing RUclipsr!
“It couldn’t have been the guy with a bad temper and a motive who offered clues that hadn’t been disclosed to the public yet because he passed an extremely unreliable test” - The Sheriff
There is a movie based on this event, it's called Cabin 28. This certainly is a dark rabbit hole to cover. I felt like Martin knew too much so I suspect him. As for others, it's hard to say but they didn't handle that case well. My question is, why did they commit such a heinous act upon a family in a brutal way? RIP to Sue and the three other victims. May they find peace. 🙏🏻
@@sprybug I'm sure it's not accurate, most interpretations are like that. I just watched it on Tubi, but it doesn't make it less horrifying and it makes one wonder what sick motives did they have if say these were their neighbor's doing.
the guy (martin i think was his name) who claimed to be missing a hammer is clearly involved. imagine if cops came to your house and asked you about a murder that occurred across the street, and your response is something like "weird, im missing my hammer out of my tool box." For one thing i doubt most people check their tool box the sunday morning to make sure no hammers, nails or wrenches snuck out the night before. As for the other guy Bo, the chicago mob wouldnt give a shit about him if he were in california. And if they did, theyd have just killed him. Unless he or his family were so high up that they protected him, which doesnt seem likely. Idk if the cops were corrupt though. they just had no experience in cases like this. I do think 1 officer most likely tried to help martin and leaked what the cops knew / suspected to him though. So i guess that would be considered corruption. But i dont think the entire bureau was screwing up on purpose. this was 1981 in a small town.
@@pat442389 That's why I was looking at Martin with a raised eyebrow. It feels sus that his first response was "my hammer was missing" yet no one mentioned a hammer at the scene and he was spot on. Man, that one lead and they completely passed over and let a suspicious man go. Smh.
Lazy, I miss your narration of your classic-type horror stories. Please do some more of those! I still anticipate EVERY one of your videos..your talent is class above everyone else!!
I’ve got a real urge to go the murder site , I know that cabin is no longer there but I’ve seen someone do a video of the area and it’s got a real creepy vibe .
Lazy Masquerade is so excellent! The intro is so clever to have you playing the piano-low notes=low vibes. The mask seems to be everyone, which also conceals the actual person behind it. And during this subject/episode you execute the timelines precisely. Also, it is very sad that this family could not receive justice. It’s unfair, crooked, and cowardly.
Nothing in life is worse than killing a helpless child ... Being a father of 3 it worries me so much that things like this can happen to children and there’s still sick twisted people out there who are getting away with it This case needs to be solved
I've heard lots of versions of this story. Lots of people have covered it but you did it very well. I learned things I hadn't heard before and I thought I knew a lot about this. Thank you for this!
I found out about this years ago and it’s always fascinated me for some reason. I like to see any videos I find about it to hear if there’s anything new and I’m so glad you covered this. I’ve never heard anything about Sheila! Even her being pregnant! Not even in the documentary with the new police. I too don’t believe it. One of the new officers on the case got very emotional about it all in his interview and broke down because he was friends with Sue and knew her kids too and felt so bad about the way the police handled it years ago. He felt it should have been solved and is disgusted over the things he’s found out about them that could have led to coverups and such things being “overlooked”....such a sad case. Sheila and her family never got to see any justice and most likely never will because the 2 main suspects are dead. However I also had not heard of dna on the tape coming back to a living person. Thanks for covering this finally, I learned so,e new info. “And remember.....” 😊
that was so good! i’ve heard this story so many times yet you still made it more interesting! i can’t imagine how horrific it would be to see your family slaughtered together. it makes you really want to consider who your friends and neighbors with.
As a retired teacher I do get excited when people use the word "plethora", you have a knack for good content and presentation sir, may a plethora of forces be with you.
Just starting, however I’m astonished at the size of those ‘cabins’. I’ve watched several+ Vids over the years, and I’ve heard /seen nothing that indicated that size. The impression, at least in my memory, was of rustic, tiny little log cabins which backed on to forest. I’m very interested in this vid, and am looking forward to watching it. Considering we are not even five minutes in and I’ve learnt several things I’ve never even considered, I bet this is going to be a goody. Thanks for your work, Lazy. You never disappoint. Research>writing>narration>>++it’s all very skilled. Kudos.
I live very near here my husband gave info on this murder he's in one of the documentaries aswell. So so sad and shocking, we don't see many murders of this magnitude up here. Glad to see some new docs on this and I sure wish they'd break this case once and for all. It is a haunting shadow in our community we all have wanted justice for this family for many years.
@@212go my husband only saw a suspicious van with 2 men he didn't recognize it was still dark early early morning and he was pretty far from that van but he did say that they had a rolled up tarp that could have contained a small body. That scared him since he was in the woods not far from his home he went home. Knowing the area and the time it happend I have no doubt in my mind it had everything to do with hard drugs this area had bad issues with that kind of stuff.
If the DNA didn't produce an arrest, the suspect might not be in any database. I feel like the only way that could make sense is if Martin and Bo had a third accomplice or if neither were involved and it was two others. I feel like even though Martin specifically was shady, and definitely should be considered a suspect, all of the evidence is circumstantial and there is no way he would be convicted at trial. At this point, the only way this case will go anywhere would be through new witness testimony or a DNA breakthrough. Sad stuff, but an interesting watch for such a dark and complex case.
Great video Lazy! After binged many of these unsolved mysteries, I think the running trend on these mysteries is that they were either caused by sheer incompetence on the investigator side, or, like in this case, probably some sort of cover-up being involved.
Shudder is something I have wanted to try for awhile. Thanks to your promo code I am able to try 30 days free. I don't think I'll cancel because I see so much I want to watch. Thanks Lazy!
My take. Martin & Bo & Marylin were guilty. But the one's that did the actually killings were Bo & the clean shaven blond, he was a friend of Bo's that had worked for him in the mob. The executions were mob style killings. The blond guy most likely took the young girl as part of his payment, as awful as that sounds. The phone call in 1984 was most likely from Martin or someone he had confided in. Because mob killers would never ever call & say that. Marilyn knew what was going on. Cops were heavy in the mobs back in the 70's & 80's. Sounds like the killers are all dead. The blond guy was never positively ID'ed. I've been around awhile. I've had my share of run ins with the likes of people like these. I'm most fortunate to have lived a long life. Could have been snuffed out fairly easily when I look back through the years. I'm very thankful now. Poor young people. Damn shame.
I don't think I've ever heard of the mob intentionally killing children or teenagers, let alone "giving" a child to one of the killers as a form of payment.
Great vid. Crazy story though. I agree with your analysis. Martin was for sure guilty. The missing hammer and a confession also. Police incompetence maybe, but more likely corruption. When small town cops don't answer to a higher authority, they do what they want and get away with it through force and intimidation.
I heard about the Keddie massacre years ago, but never so well told or with all the details. Thank you for clearing up a mystery for me Lazy. Brilliant job.
I think that it's pretty obvious that Martin was involved. That fact alone implicates Bo. It would be interesting to know exactly where and how Bo lived out the rest of his life. There's not much information about Bo after the murders. Considering his illegal activities prior to the murders, is it possible that he ended up in the witness protection program in exchange for his information on mob activities? Or, was he already an informant when the murders occurred and certain law enforcement officials protected him regarding the murders so that he could continue his work for them in going after certain mob groups? I don't know, but I do feel like his life prior to the murders and up until his death should be more thoroughly examined. I feel so badly for all of the victims, but especially so for Tina. There's no telling what horrific things she endured from the time that she was abducted until they ultimately ended her life. It's so difficult to believe that our fellow human beings are even capable of such evil actions. It's both horrifying and sad. 😪
not really we humans are a plague, you only need to look at history to see how horrible we truly are. our capacity for violence & bloodshed is legendary, equal only to our love of war & rape.
What the hell, I've been into true crime for a long time so I can't believe I've never heard of this case. Crazy, thanks for another incredible video Lazy, you're killin it lately.
“They felt the evidence wasn’t strong enough to arrest them” I’m sorry WHAT?! The man not only wrote it out, but he TOLD HIS THERAPIST HE DID IT, and that wasn’t *strong* enough? Wth is wrong with people…
It's too bad the therapist didn't have access to his own notes, or he would have noticed that he told officials 4 different stories from the one he told josh. Which were 1) marty never conffessed 2) Marilyn called and confessed for marty 3) Marty called and confessed from Oregon, although you could combine 1 and 2. 4) Marty sent a post card from Klamath falls confessing. Allegedly, Marty told the therapist Tina was killed with a hammer, which tells me he had no idea how Tina died. There was alot of damage done to the other victims skulls, so maybe one would think it safe to assume there was damage to Tina's as well. Except there wasn't, as it was discovered much later. The elements and time left little to go on as to how Tina died, but of what little was recovered, we can safely assume it wasn't a hammer blow to the head.
My grandparents live just 35 minutes from Keddie, and we have visited. That place is out there... I mean, way out there. Plumas county is already a very rural county and this place is no exception. Though it's close to Quincy and not as remote as LaPorte, the fact that it's nestled in the heavily wooded mountains makes the area have a very eerie feeling to it for sure.
The composite was from hypnosis, so treat the description with a pinch of salt. Even if we take the sketch seriously, I don’t think the man in question looks overly like the sketch.
amateur sketches based on a 12-year-old supposed "witness's" description under hypnosis :DDDDDDDD gotta love 'em yankee coppers. I wonder if they had any psychics assisting them in this case. and that lie detector test.. man, if they had only used that!
The only thing that makes me go "hmm..." on this one is the idea that Martin's brilliant plan involved letting his own son spend the night at this cabin that was loaded with all kinds of potential witnesses and just hope the whole thing wouldn't turn into a bloodbath... of course it obviously (unsurprisingly) didn't work out if that was the case. Was he prepared to kill his own son if he saw too much as well? And why is a 13 year old getting pregnant and a 15 year old boy being described as having vendettas against people... jeez dysfunction much?
...Myself and a friend were up that way around almost 20 years ago...Although we had heard about the murders via the news back when the younger daughter's remains were found in '84, and the _Unsolved Mysteries_ program that aired sometime back in the mid to late 90s, we never stopped in Keddie... We just went through on 70 towards Paxton (Which also had a small population, and in some areas, things looked just as run down.) to purchase and trailer back East a rare vintage car for the drag strip my friend had been interested in... This all had to be around the time that Cabin 28 was torn down, I would think... Even up in Paxton, none of the places there really looked like they have ever commanded a "4 Star Rating", and everything just gave me the creeps, as if we drove into a sort of remote "Ghost Country"... We were both happy to have completed the transaction and the car safely secured on the trailer afterwards... Neither of us felt comfortable (We always felt we were strangers being "watched" by something unknown) until we were back on I - 80 in Reno, headed East, towards Chicago... I'll never go back up in that area again - And I couldn't imagine a divorced woman with children wanting to start a different life _ANYWHERE_ in that spooky, crazy area, even four decades ago as Glenna Sue Sharp did - RIP to the deceased!
There have been several documentaries on the Keddie murders. I think the explanation you gave makes sense. There was no way it was random and having small town corrupt or at least biases law enforcement doing very poor investigations further supports that.
After Martin & Bo came home from the bar & went to the cabin, drunk & attempted to sexually assault Sue. John, & Dana walked in & they killed them. Tina witnessed the crime, maybe she said something, they took her, defiled her & killed her. The keystone cops, who were friends with Martin, were either stupid on purpose or didn't give a shit. Supposedly Marilyn had spoken to Sue about regularly getting beat by Martin & Sue stuck up for her, which infuriated martin. Bo, had moved in with Martin & Marilyn about a month before the murders. Bo might have been tied to the mob, not sure about Martin. I can't imagine Chicago bosses wanting to be associated with this in any way, shape or form. There are other theories, some say Shelia was involved. I still think the guys did it.
Having only had a cursory view of the facts, I think the aspect no-one talks more about is why Tina was taken away from the scene. That may factor into the motive and possibly into who done it. Why wasn't she slain and left with the others? It doesn't seem to make any sense. Could it be Tina saw what was happening and ran, but was pursued and killed before she could tell anyone? The family being killed the way they were leads me to think it was much more than just an angry retaliation - someone wanted to hurt them horribly rather than just kill them efficiently. It was a risk to do it with the kids sleeping in the other room, too. Either the perpetrator did it not knowing the kids were in there (they got lucky by being heavy sleepers) or they were deliberately left unharmed as they wouldn't have known anything that could lead to pointing suspicion on anyone. The phone call saying the remains were Tina's may well be a hoax, someone following the case who just happened to put two and two together. I also don't put any emphasis on the hypnosis call back either - hypnosis is useful but not infallible. The boy could have been saying something that he believed deep down rather than something he actually saw. The description of the two men with mirrored shades seems more like a description of generic baddies from popular films back in the 80s. It may have even been a film the kids had seen that night he was thinking of in his subconscious. As for the police departments continual screw ups - I think that is more to do with incompetence and not having experience in murder cases rather than deliberate conspiracy to protect a suspect.
Quincy is my hometown and I grew up in Twain so would pass by Keddie everyday to get to school. This case still haunts me and I hate that it remains unsolved but the future remains hopeful. Also, I got stuck in the phone booth thats down in Keddie and that was not a fun experience.
Sue could not have given her granddaughter up for adoption if the father of the child or his family wanted to raise the child. Blood relatives can claim custody before a child is given up into the adoption or foster system.
Perhaps she used the excuse of "unknown" father? Reading on Keddie28 site.... wow... totally dysfunctional family. Sue wanted to do the right thing and tried, but... she had almost no money and very few options to get money. rightly or not, Sheila had seemingly decided she was better off moving out and finding a new home with Richard Meeks. Hmm... also looking at it on that site... apparently it is true that Sheila wasn't 100% sure who the father of her child was... and Dana(yes the dead guy) was actually one possibility? Hunh... also... Justin was MARTY's son? and he was the "witness" who created that sketch... oh boy... THAT's something Lazy left out.... O-o' Yeah this case is a giant entangled mess
Martin looks like he watches over a hotel during a blizzard and chases his wife around with a axe
Right?
Lol
I was looking for this comment. He looks like if you ordered Nicholson off Wish.
looks like someone said what we all needed to be said
holy shit i have never seen a man who looked more like jack nicholson in my life
The sheriff was a close personal friend of the prime suspect? Yeah, doesn't sound like much of a mystery to me.
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cops suck
@@ne9835 bobt
Another suspect also friends with the first suspect, and has connections with the mob. Doesnt seem very mysterious case to me or why police was so incompetent
I mean almost EVERY unsolved case mainly comes down terrible crime scene handling, lost evidence, crap investigation, or just flat out collusion. Super rare to see cold cases that started off with a professional investigation from the start. But yeah that scumbag absolutely covered for his buddy, its a small town cop whos going to stop him
I live 7 minutes from The Keddie Cabins. Plumas County Sheriff's office really blew the investigation. As a matter of fact, there are still several missing and murdered people from this area that are never solved. The Golden State Killer among other SK's hunted this region.
Why do all commentators on lazy's vids have creepy looking pfps 😂😂
Sounds like corruption.. they should be investigated..
@@Silver-FoxYT not me!
@@einienj3281 it was, but funny thing is, no one was reprimanded. They just did public damage control.
@@TopherGrant So more corruption to hide corruption..
I'm so happy you're covering this! The entire town where this took place is still soooo weird about what happened to this family
How so? I’m curious 👀
Probably because they all know know that Martin and Bo did murder them but no one wants to get involved. Plus if Martin and the sheriff were really that good of friends, then them speaking out could get them killed or arrested.
Corruption in law enforcement is a good way to get people to shut their mouths..
I’m from Quincy and Keddie has always been creepy. Sheriff Haywood’s mom was my second grade teacher and I loved her!
I bet there's movie on this called cabin 28
As you said, THAT many mistakes can't just be incompetence!! Someone HAD to have been covering for someone else.
As stated in this report, the sheriff was friends with the murderer, what’s new, and he covered up for his buddy. What’s new? This is the way human Swine behave…. Mostly humans are horrible, but some are good enough that maybe civilization emerges someday. But not yet…
It’s not healthy to run around thinking everyone around you is evil. Sounds more like you have deep personal issues that are unresolved and therefore you view everyone but you as an evil human
@@bennu547 The police didn’t do their job and that’s a fact. Also, of course there’s an evil human it’s a damn murder case
Не знаю я безопасность духу и не дырочек что ты дыбы цевьём зубцом хэтчбек шестой сезон первая серия смотреть
When Shane and Ryan where still doing BuzzFeed Unsolved they did this case and went to the location where the cabin used to be. This was one of those stories that make you feel gross when you hear about it.
I’m from near the area and have been to the Keddie resort, and they still have the destroyed remains of the building there. The people who live there make it very clear they don’t want you to look there though
Shane and Ryan buzzfeed unsolved crime videos are so good and well done.
@@GeekRaj probably the only decent content to come out of buzzfeed
I remember this episode distinctly because it's one of the few times where you see Shane become genuinely uncomfortable.
Shane and Ryan lol me and my brother's names
I'm sure it's corruption. Corrupt sheriffs are far too common, it's a combination of a lot of power and low accountability -- that breeds corruption.
How common is it? I'm not being picky, I'm genuine curious. Have there been studies showing corruption of sheriffs? I could see some police being corrupt, but Sheriffs are elected officials. So the people are the ones who vote them in. So how do you know corrupt sheriffs are a very common thing?
@@self-righteousideologue9398 I don't have any direct evidence but every town I have ever lived in has had a corrupt sheriff. It's usually just a thing the townsfolk deal with. They say he keeps them safe so what does it matter if he's a racist, a rich prick, or if he's beating those running against him, quite literally. Eventually people stop running against them or it becomes pretty rare. Maybe it's a Texas thing but I'm starting to wonder.
@@self-righteousideologue9398 Being elected doesn’t mean you aren’t corrupt and if you think it makes it less likely just look at congress. We’ve got a serious police corruption problem in the US, if you honestly believe police officers can be corrupt but the heads of their departments aren’t I have a beautiful bridge in Brooklyn I can sell to you for cheap
@@carsonsabir8359 - I never said Sheriff's aren't corrupt. OP said its far too common. I was wondering if he had proof of that assertion, or if it was just an opinion
@@self-righteousideologue9398 oh so you think there is an arbitrary number of corrupt sheriffs
that are acceptable to you 😂
When I read the title, I thought you'd done it on these murders. I moved to Quincy after it happened, and even tho it had been a couple of years, people were talking about it like it had just happened. It really spooked/upset those small communities. I was good friends with Mike G. and family all through Jr. and Sr. high. It tore Mike up that he couldn't really ever solve it. And they'll likely never know why it happened. Last I had heard, they were pretty sure they knew the who, but sadly by that time they'd already passed away.
Do you still live there? I’m from Paradise and remember going to swim meets in Quincy. We were stupid kids and decided to explore the Keddie resort until we were chased out with guns
I totally think Martin was involved.
That was a very well done piece on the infamous murders at cabin 28. Seriously well done man!
This has coincidentally exactly 28 likes
Ooh this case is most interesting. Thanks for covering it.
@@prospect8245 I am 28 years old while reading this... ughhh **shudders**...
@@Valoelify bruh now it has 282 that's kinda crazy
Makes so much sense for it to be the friends dad. His wife was planing to leave him and went to Sue for help. The husband was mad that Sue was giving her the confidence to leave him, so she murdered them. Which is also why the room with the boys was left untouched because the husbands son was in that room with the sharp kids. That would make his letter make more sense, that he killed for their love.
Hang on I thought Sue was sleeping with Martin.
the thing is though: wouldnt he recognize his own father?? nobody seems to be touching on that.
sounds reasonable
@@mmisafire i thought the same…it crossed my mind that the boy saw his father and he lied…or tried to convince himself it wasn’t his father. He probably saw something and disassociated. Who knows what trauma does to you…
@@EmpSandra if his dad did it, he didnt go in the room his son was in. So his son wouldn't of seen him and explains why the other kids were left alive.
This is so weird because just yesterday I was thinking about looking up this case again to see if there were any new developments or theories as I was browsing Reddit, and here comes Lazy with yet another amazing video. You're the best! Always there when I need a mystery fix!
Jeezus.. what is that pfp!!?? 😳
There was an update around 2yrs. ago - they found a hammer in a lake or pond. Imo, it was Martin Smartt and his friend John Boubede
@@einienj3281 lol it's me, in a mask I made, working a haunted house back in the day 🧟♀️
@@KazRynP Wow! That's awesome! Good work! 😁
@@KazRynP that’s you?? It’s horrifying. I wouldn’t want to come face to face with you in the dark! Nicely done...😳☠️
This case not only should have been solved but if the local sheriff had taken the threats against Sue this could have been prevented.
Worst of all is that there is only one reason these 2 would abduct the 12 year old Tina. But most people that cover it don't seem to think it's weird that they took Tina with them.
You forgot to mention that Jon hated Martin Sharp because he had been threatening his mother.
I assumed that as well. Tina being abducted is obviously for 'that' reason, not simply because she witnessed the event.
Sheriff was involved in the cover up.
Most people don’t understand that most local law enforcement are both indifferent to non-action situations and most also have no more investigative skills than the average person. This goes triply so for a cop in 1981. Beyond that, most small town cops back in the 70s and 80s were jock types, not geared for analytical thinking. As for Tina, for all we know, she could still be chained up in a basement somewhere.
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They found Tina's skull. So I kinda doubt that.
@@khalil7011 are u afraid to write 'rape'?
I had never heard of these murders before. Sue being gagged with her own underwear and left half dressed seems like an act of vengeance against her and meant to humiliate her. Like many serial killers leave their victims "displayed" in the open to be found. Seems personal to me and those 3 neighbours including Marilyn had to have been involved. My Theory is the neighbours went over to exact revenge on Sue for having an affair with Martin. They had called over earlier that night and John and his friend were not there. The boys came back and tried to defend Sue. Things turned violent. Tina woke up to the noise and they left with her, can only imagine she went through he'll before eventually being killed by Bo. As for Martin's son who was staying over he possibly witnessed some of this and re invented his memories of it or was threatened into silence.
Excellent summary, my thoughts exactly.
*Agreed. Seems to be the most plausible explanation. The corrupt cops obviously chose to ignore this scenario. How do these corrupt cops sleep at night?*
BTW, does anyone else think that photo of the missing (and later found dead) girl looks like a girl MUCH older than 12 years? I'm not saying she isn't 12, but that photo looks like she could be at least 21. Just sayin'. Anyway... overall, this is such a very sad story! R.I.P. to all of the dead victims.
*BTW, Lazy Masquerade is still the King of Storytelling on RUclips! Great job!*
Seems legit, but I cant imagine all those people were involved and no one slipped up. Even having 2 people involved is how most crimes get solved. I think its was just the 2 friend Martin and whoever. That's why they didnt bother with the kids in the room with his son and they took the lil girl for some disgusting assault reason. But who really knows
Good analysis of all the information. When you mentioned serial killers leave their victims "dispalyed" in the open..it reminded me of the Rebecca Zahau case.
@@andyroid5028 no she definitely doesn’t look 21. Maybe older than twelve but why would that matter at all?
Sheila has an alibi for the entire night and she'd never be able to overpower Jon and Dana on her own.
Plus Sheila is the only person trying to get law enforcement to do their damn job.
No, Mike has worked tirelessly on this case. And IIRC, even came out of retirement several years ago and is pretty sure he knows the who, but not the why. I left Quincy many, many years ago and haven't been back, but I caught an updated story on either DiscoveryID or Oxygen talking about Mike working the case again and being pretty sure he'd solved it but the culprits had already passed away.
More likely she got a head's up and got out of the way. She probably hated her mother for getting rid of the baby.
that is pretty misogynistic to think a woman couldnt over power a man
How Dare You Exist no it’s one 14 year old girl, overpowering her mother, brother and his 17 year old friend. Very unrealistic sorry to say but she could’ve been involved if the story about the child is correct
@@howdareyouexist Hahahaa. No it ain’t. The average strength of men being greater than that of women is a biological fact, not misogyny. And we ain’t even talking about a woman, rather a 14 year old girl vs several other older people, two of whom are young men.
I've heard of this case before; but you covered it so well. It's so tragic and mysterious. Also it's highly eerie that Martin looks like Jack Torrance from 'The Shining'.
Thanks for covering this one. It happened not too far from where I currently reside. Other people have gone up there because it's a tourist attraction apparently. Its definitely one of the most unnerving stories I've heard.
Where is this exactly? It sounds like it's near downie/Bassett's?
@@muffinbitchs It's located in Keddie, CA which is up in the Sierra Nevada mountains a little bit above Tahoe.
Glad you covered a murder(s) I haven't heard of before. You and MrBallen are literally the MOST precise true crime RUclipsrs and I really appreciate every bit of your research and overall work. You are such an amazing RUclipsr!
You continue to have impeccable timing, so much so it's....scary.
Right!?
@Sugarhill Nas thanks! That's my diy Dollface mask back when I was an actor at a haunted house🧟♀️ 🏚 👻
This mystery has always intrigued me. Thanks for this video Lazy❤️
“It couldn’t have been the guy with a bad temper and a motive who offered clues that hadn’t been disclosed to the public yet because he passed an extremely unreliable test” - The Sheriff
This is a really horrific case indeed.. Thank You Lazy! 🖤
There is a movie based on this event, it's called Cabin 28.
This certainly is a dark rabbit hole to cover. I felt like Martin knew too much so I suspect him. As for others, it's hard to say but they didn't handle that case well. My question is, why did they commit such a heinous act upon a family in a brutal way?
RIP to Sue and the three other victims. May they find peace. 🙏🏻
Yeah, I hadn't seen that movie, but I heard it's very loosely based on the tragedy, so you know, it's not going to be accurate.
@@sprybug I'm sure it's not accurate, most interpretations are like that. I just watched it on Tubi, but it doesn't make it less horrifying and it makes one wonder what sick motives did they have if say these were their neighbor's doing.
I believe The Strangers too was based on this. though it went on the premise it was random killers. It was a long time ago that I saw it.
the guy (martin i think was his name) who claimed to be missing a hammer is clearly involved. imagine if cops came to your house and asked you about a murder that occurred across the street, and your response is something like "weird, im missing my hammer out of my tool box." For one thing i doubt most people check their tool box the sunday morning to make sure no hammers, nails or wrenches snuck out the night before. As for the other guy Bo, the chicago mob wouldnt give a shit about him if he were in california. And if they did, theyd have just killed him. Unless he or his family were so high up that they protected him, which doesnt seem likely. Idk if the cops were corrupt though. they just had no experience in cases like this. I do think 1 officer most likely tried to help martin and leaked what the cops knew / suspected to him though. So i guess that would be considered corruption. But i dont think the entire bureau was screwing up on purpose. this was 1981 in a small town.
@@pat442389 That's why I was looking at Martin with a raised eyebrow. It feels sus that his first response was "my hammer was missing" yet no one mentioned a hammer at the scene and he was spot on. Man, that one lead and they completely passed over and let a suspicious man go. Smh.
Lazy, I miss your narration of your classic-type horror stories. Please do some more of those! I still anticipate EVERY one of your videos..your talent is class above everyone else!!
Hell yeah this is a good mystery! Thanks for another upload, will be watching it tonight!
I’ve got a real urge to go the murder site , I know that cabin is no longer there but I’ve seen someone do a video of the area and it’s got a real creepy vibe .
I live just up the road from Keddie. The whole place is creepy.
Spookcity, USA for sure
It still shows up on Google if you search for cabin 28. Is it really not there anymore?
@@jimbodice2672 it was demolished in 2004 .
@@jimbodice2672 no, it was demolished in 2004. All the houses are decrepit and falling down
Lazy Masquerade is so excellent! The intro is so clever to have you playing the piano-low notes=low vibes. The mask seems to be everyone, which also conceals the actual person behind it. And during this subject/episode you execute the timelines precisely. Also, it is very sad that this family could not receive justice. It’s unfair, crooked, and cowardly.
Nothing in life is worse than killing a helpless child ...
Being a father of 3 it worries me so much that things like this can happen to children and there’s still sick twisted people out there who are getting away with it
This case needs to be solved
the chews do this on a regular
I've heard lots of versions of this story. Lots of people have covered it but you did it very well. I learned things I hadn't heard before and I thought I knew a lot about this. Thank you for this!
Thanks for uploading on this lazy freezing Sunday afternoon perfect to get cozy with.
I found out about this years ago and it’s always fascinated me for some reason. I like to see any videos I find about it to hear if there’s anything new and I’m so glad you covered this. I’ve never heard anything about Sheila! Even her being pregnant! Not even in the documentary with the new police. I too don’t believe it. One of the new officers on the case got very emotional about it all in his interview and broke down because he was friends with Sue and knew her kids too and felt so bad about the way the police handled it years ago. He felt it should have been solved and is disgusted over the things he’s found out about them that could have led to coverups and such things being “overlooked”....such a sad case. Sheila and her family never got to see any justice and most likely never will because the 2 main suspects are dead. However I also had not heard of dna on the tape coming back to a living person. Thanks for covering this finally, I learned so,e new info. “And remember.....” 😊
May they rest in peace. The Keddie murders took the life out of the town of Keddie. Too sad to think about.
that was so good! i’ve heard this story so many times yet you still made it more interesting! i can’t imagine how horrific it would be to see your family slaughtered together. it makes you really want to consider who your friends and neighbors with.
"Could a corrupt sheriff's department...?" Yes. The answer is yes no matter how that question ends.
The most comprehensive and interesting coverage of this case that I have watched/listened to; a well done presentation,
Lazy Masquerade.
As a retired teacher I do get excited when people use the word "plethora", you have a knack for good content and presentation sir, may a plethora of forces be with you.
I, too, am a retired teacher/professor. I get excited when people understand calculus...
Just starting, however I’m astonished at the size of those ‘cabins’. I’ve watched several+
Vids over the years, and I’ve heard /seen nothing that indicated that size. The impression, at least in my memory, was of rustic, tiny little log cabins which backed on to forest.
I’m very interested in this vid, and am looking forward to watching it. Considering we are not even five minutes in and I’ve learnt several things I’ve never even considered, I bet this is going to be a goody.
Thanks for your work, Lazy. You never disappoint. Research>writing>narration>>++it’s all very skilled. Kudos.
I live very near here my husband gave info on this murder he's in one of the documentaries aswell. So so sad and shocking, we don't see many murders of this magnitude up here. Glad to see some new docs on this and I sure wish they'd break this case once and for all.
It is a haunting shadow in our community we all have wanted justice for this family for many years.
what is your say? who might be involved?
@@212go my husband only saw a suspicious van with 2 men he didn't recognize it was still dark early early morning and he was pretty far from that van but he did say that they had a rolled up tarp that could have contained a small body. That scared him since he was in the woods not far from his home he went home. Knowing the area and the time it happend I have no doubt in my mind it had everything to do with hard drugs this area had bad issues with that kind of stuff.
Thank you for covering this! It's one of my favorites, and so are you! I'm so excited for this!
If the DNA didn't produce an arrest, the suspect might not be in any database. I feel like the only way that could make sense is if Martin and Bo had a third accomplice or if neither were involved and it was two others. I feel like even though Martin specifically was shady, and definitely should be considered a suspect, all of the evidence is circumstantial and there is no way he would be convicted at trial. At this point, the only way this case will go anywhere would be through new witness testimony or a DNA breakthrough. Sad stuff, but an interesting watch for such a dark and complex case.
they should try to get it tested through parabon, do some genealogical testing
Great video Lazy!
After binged many of these unsolved mysteries, I think the running trend on these mysteries is that they were either caused by sheer incompetence on the investigator side, or, like in this case, probably some sort of cover-up being involved.
Good to see you do this case, Lazy! This is one of my top cold cases I’d like to see solved in 2022. Probably won’t happen though…Cheers!!!
Lazy back on top again with another quality episode! Expert narration throughout.
Just what I needed on this Grey and rainy evening 🙌a new video from Lazy🤘❣️
You have excellent content and an even better way of delivering it. I love this channel! Keep doing what you’re doing. Thanks for everything
That is one creepy ass intro! Great content as usual lazy Masquerade.
Shudder is something I have wanted to try for awhile. Thanks to your promo code I am able to try 30 days free. I don't think I'll cancel because I see so much I want to watch. Thanks Lazy!
This is gonna be a great video like always, I can feel it.
I don't think the idea of that 14 year old being involved is that crazy. IMO (just sayn')
@@Ron4885 It's still a possibility.
And, yes it was a great video.
Lazy your voice is getting me through a hard night!!! Seriously means the world and thank you for many times of company in these past years ❤️
So stoked when lazy releases new content!
omfggggg I first found out about this case from the podcast True Crime Garage!! Thanks for covering this!
My take. Martin & Bo & Marylin were guilty. But the one's that did the actually killings were Bo & the clean shaven blond, he was a friend of Bo's that had worked for him in the mob. The executions were mob style killings. The blond guy most likely took the young girl as part of his payment, as awful as that sounds. The phone call in 1984 was most likely from Martin or someone he had confided in. Because mob killers would never ever call & say that. Marilyn knew what was going on.
Cops were heavy in the mobs back in the 70's & 80's. Sounds like the killers are all dead. The blond guy was never positively ID'ed. I've been around awhile. I've had my share of run ins with the likes of people like these.
I'm most fortunate to have lived a long life. Could have been snuffed out fairly easily when I look back through the years. I'm very thankful now. Poor young people. Damn shame.
I don't think I've ever heard of the mob intentionally killing children or teenagers, let alone "giving" a child to one of the killers as a form of payment.
I think Martin's son is lying to throw anyone off from his father and friend. I don't believe there was ever a blonde man there at all.
I CRUSH THE LIKE BUTTON before the video even gets to 15 seconds. My new top 2 fav’s. Thanks man. ✌️
Waiting for next scary TRUE stories around the world episode! Great vids as always
I’ve seen pretty much everything regarding this case but I’m still glad you covered it!! I’ll watch anything you post Lazy 😂❤️ love your channel
Great vid. Crazy story though. I agree with your analysis. Martin was for sure guilty. The missing hammer and a confession also. Police incompetence maybe, but more likely corruption. When small town cops don't answer to a higher authority, they do what they want and get away with it through force and intimidation.
Cheers Lazy, impeccable narration and remarkably written script
Lazy just shows up and makes my whole day
Spent all week catching up on Lazy vids and he uploads again tonight. Love it
Such corruption of small town low-paid law enforcement happens in the US more often than anyone knows. I’ve seen it myself.
Happens plenty in "big city" law enforcement and Federal agencies too. Everyone is corrupt.
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I heard about the Keddie massacre years ago, but never so well told or with all the details. Thank you for clearing up a mystery for me Lazy. Brilliant job.
Perfect way to truly make it my Lazy Sunday 😊
I hate to be commenting about the ad before finishing this video but how have I never heard of Shudder?!?! NEED
Cabin in the woods stories are the scariest ones..
loving the consistency!!!
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You're awesome, Lazy! Much love as always, man!
I think that it's pretty obvious that Martin was involved.
That fact alone implicates Bo.
It would be interesting to know exactly where and how Bo lived out the rest of his life.
There's not much information about Bo after the murders.
Considering his illegal activities prior to the murders, is it possible that he ended up in the witness protection program in exchange for his information on mob activities? Or, was he already an informant when the murders occurred and certain law enforcement officials protected him regarding the murders so that he could continue his work for them in going after certain mob groups?
I don't know, but I do feel like his life prior to the murders and up until his death should be more thoroughly examined.
I feel so badly for all of the victims, but especially so for Tina.
There's no telling what horrific things she endured from the time that she was abducted until they ultimately ended her life.
It's so difficult to believe that our fellow human beings are even capable of such evil actions.
It's both horrifying and sad.
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not really we humans are a plague, you only need to look at history to see how horrible we truly are.
our capacity for violence & bloodshed is legendary, equal only to our love of war & rape.
What the hell, I've been into true crime for a long time so I can't believe I've never heard of this case. Crazy, thanks for another incredible video Lazy, you're killin it lately.
I really wonder how they never woke up. And didn't get killed.
Listening to Lazy to start my day! Best way to start any day! :)
“They felt the evidence wasn’t strong enough to arrest them” I’m sorry WHAT?! The man not only wrote it out, but he TOLD HIS THERAPIST HE DID IT, and that wasn’t *strong* enough? Wth is wrong with people…
Well, this is a case that involves corrupt LE and mob. Are you really that surprised?
Read what actually happened. He didn't tell his therapist any such thing.
@@davidfoster2338 what did he write then? What did he actually tell his therapist.
Corrupt cops. Far too common nowadays
It's too bad the therapist didn't have access to his own notes, or he would have noticed that he told officials 4 different stories from the one he told josh. Which were 1) marty never conffessed 2) Marilyn called and confessed for marty 3) Marty called and confessed from Oregon, although you could combine 1 and 2. 4) Marty sent a post card from Klamath falls confessing. Allegedly, Marty told the therapist Tina was killed with a hammer, which tells me he had no idea how Tina died. There was alot of damage done to the other victims skulls, so maybe one would think it safe to assume there was damage to Tina's as well. Except there wasn't, as it was discovered much later. The elements and time left little to go on as to how Tina died, but of what little was recovered, we can safely assume it wasn't a hammer blow to the head.
Thank you for another well done video! This is my first time hearing about this case!
This and the case of the Yuba County Five live rent-free in my mind. One day when I'm in the area I'm gonna visit both locations.
My grandparents live just 35 minutes from Keddie, and we have visited. That place is out there... I mean, way out there. Plumas county is already a very rural county and this place is no exception. Though it's close to Quincy and not as remote as LaPorte, the fact that it's nestled in the heavily wooded mountains makes the area have a very eerie feeling to it for sure.
There is a guy on fb right now claiming his dad did the murders. His name is Dusty McKissen
His dad looks just like the composite and supposedly was in the area of the murders at the time that they were committed
The composite was from hypnosis, so treat the description with a pinch of salt.
Even if we take the sketch seriously, I don’t think the man in question looks overly like the sketch.
Great timing! Just like always
In that photo of Martin, he kind of reminds me of Jack from ‘The Shining’ and we all know how that turned out in the film 😮
Great job. We enjoy your channel as always.
amateur sketches based on a 12-year-old supposed "witness's" description under hypnosis :DDDDDDDD gotta love 'em yankee coppers. I wonder if they had any psychics assisting them in this case. and that lie detector test.. man, if they had only used that!
Yes psychics and hypnotists as well! I mean, it was the 80's!
Great video as always! Thanks Lazy! 💙😊
Looking at Martin Sharp's photo, doesn't he strangely look like a young Jack Nicholson from The Shining?
So glad I'm not the only one who thought that lol
Yes. And Tina looks like a younger, prettier Jennifer Anniston!
@@FreeMarketSecularistI noticed it to
That conspiracy towards the end is so brutal. Love the new animation, BTW.
Was thinking police were involved after all the neglect and mismanagement, then the close personal friend said it all
Lazy….. yet another riveting awesome video for a stormy Sunday UK night …. Thank you !
The only thing that makes me go "hmm..." on this one is the idea that Martin's brilliant plan involved letting his own son spend the night at this cabin that was loaded with all kinds of potential witnesses and just hope the whole thing wouldn't turn into a bloodbath... of course it obviously (unsurprisingly) didn't work out if that was the case. Was he prepared to kill his own son if he saw too much as well? And why is a 13 year old getting pregnant and a 15 year old boy being described as having vendettas against people... jeez dysfunction much?
...Myself and a friend were up that way around almost 20 years ago...Although we had heard about the murders via the news back when the younger daughter's remains were found in '84, and the _Unsolved Mysteries_ program that aired sometime back in the mid to late 90s, we never stopped in Keddie... We just went through on 70 towards Paxton (Which also had a small population, and in some areas, things looked just as run down.) to purchase and trailer back East a rare vintage car for the drag strip my friend had been interested in... This all had to be around the time that Cabin 28 was torn down, I would think... Even up in Paxton, none of the places there really looked like they have ever commanded a "4 Star Rating", and everything just gave me the creeps, as if we drove into a sort of remote "Ghost Country"... We were both happy to have completed the transaction and the car safely secured on the trailer afterwards... Neither of us felt comfortable (We always felt we were strangers being "watched" by something unknown) until we were back on I - 80 in Reno, headed East, towards Chicago... I'll never go back up in that area again -
And I couldn't imagine a divorced woman with children wanting to start a different life _ANYWHERE_ in that spooky, crazy area, even four decades ago as Glenna Sue Sharp did - RIP to the deceased!
Small town PD are almost always corrupt. From top to bottom. When a major crime happens and the local PD refuses help.... bingo!
There have been several documentaries on the Keddie murders. I think the explanation you gave makes sense. There was no way it was random and having small town corrupt or at least biases law enforcement doing very poor investigations further supports that.
Because of "The Strangers", this is one of my favorite true crime cases to read about.
That movie has stayed with me longer than any paranormal shit ever could
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Same here
I've been a horror fan for years, and The Strangers is still my favorite ever since I first saw it.
if you want a movie like the strangers but way better, check out michael haneke's funny games
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Seen it, loved it.
Thank you for the upload
I’m from Quincy and Keddie has always been a creepy community. Sheriff Hagwood’s mom was my teacher in elementary school.
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After Martin & Bo came home from the bar & went to the cabin, drunk & attempted to sexually assault Sue. John, & Dana walked in & they killed them. Tina witnessed the crime, maybe she said something, they took her, defiled her & killed her. The keystone cops, who were friends with Martin, were either stupid on purpose or didn't give a shit. Supposedly Marilyn had spoken to Sue about regularly getting beat by Martin & Sue stuck up for her, which infuriated martin. Bo, had moved in with Martin & Marilyn about a month before the murders. Bo might have been tied to the mob, not sure about Martin. I can't imagine Chicago bosses wanting to be associated with this in any way, shape or form. There are other theories, some say Shelia was involved. I still think the guys did it.
The Lazy Masquerade mascot is super creepy. It's perfect for your channel.
Having only had a cursory view of the facts, I think the aspect no-one talks more about is why Tina was taken away from the scene. That may factor into the motive and possibly into who done it. Why wasn't she slain and left with the others? It doesn't seem to make any sense. Could it be Tina saw what was happening and ran, but was pursued and killed before she could tell anyone? The family being killed the way they were leads me to think it was much more than just an angry retaliation - someone wanted to hurt them horribly rather than just kill them efficiently. It was a risk to do it with the kids sleeping in the other room, too. Either the perpetrator did it not knowing the kids were in there (they got lucky by being heavy sleepers) or they were deliberately left unharmed as they wouldn't have known anything that could lead to pointing suspicion on anyone.
The phone call saying the remains were Tina's may well be a hoax, someone following the case who just happened to put two and two together.
I also don't put any emphasis on the hypnosis call back either - hypnosis is useful but not infallible. The boy could have been saying something that he believed deep down rather than something he actually saw. The description of the two men with mirrored shades seems more like a description of generic baddies from popular films back in the 80s. It may have even been a film the kids had seen that night he was thinking of in his subconscious.
As for the police departments continual screw ups - I think that is more to do with incompetence and not having experience in murder cases rather than deliberate conspiracy to protect a suspect.
I think this whole murder was about somebody wanting to get ahold of Tina. She was the target.
We LUV you!!! Thank you again!
I knew just based on the title this was about Keddie, thank you shane and ryan for making me well versed on this case
Thought the cabin number sounded familiar 🤔
I literally just watched that episode an hour ago!!
Quincy is my hometown and I grew up in Twain so would pass by Keddie everyday to get to school. This case still haunts me and I hate that it remains unsolved but the future remains hopeful.
Also, I got stuck in the phone booth thats down in Keddie and that was not a fun experience.
Sue could not have given her granddaughter up for adoption if the father of the child or his family wanted to raise the child. Blood relatives can claim custody before a child is given up into the adoption or foster system.
Perhaps she used the excuse of "unknown" father?
Reading on Keddie28 site.... wow... totally dysfunctional family. Sue wanted to do the right thing and tried, but... she had almost no money and very few options to get money. rightly or not, Sheila had seemingly decided she was better off moving out and finding a new home with Richard Meeks. Hmm... also looking at it on that site... apparently it is true that Sheila wasn't 100% sure who the father of her child was... and Dana(yes the dead guy) was actually one possibility?
Hunh... also... Justin was MARTY's son? and he was the "witness" who created that sketch... oh boy... THAT's something Lazy left out.... O-o' Yeah this case is a giant entangled mess
Hey lazy, I love the stuff that you put out as you always do, and I will keep looking forward to the next episode