Why was Marc Jacobs ACTUALLY Fired?
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Marc Jacobs was fired from Perry Ellis after his Spring 1993 Grunge runway show. Or was he?
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It's amazing how simple runway shows could be in the 90s. You should do a video on the evolution of the fashion show and how it's become more theatrical / elaborate over time.
Yes I agree!
@@WonderingTree The looks themselves too! So simple, but chic.
90s was a better time ,nowadays the models have no personality and if they do it’s a branding personality back in the day models had their own style
This isn’t entirely true, there was plenty of theatrical shows and crazy couture in the 90s/2000’s and there’s plenty of plain, boring and simple stuff today. Perhaps certain brands or designers have made that evolution
"in the first look when the model takes off her trench..." GURL how dare you!
That's Christy Nicole Turlington Burns 😵
You should do more videos about the commercialization of subculture and its commpression into “aesthetic”
Especially with a focus of blue collar subcultures such as skate, skinhead(not the racist version the real version), and workwear
there actually is one it's his punk is dead video it got me into his channel and is hands down my favorite
High fashion stuff with birkenstocks?! rick?!
I remember Courtney love talking about grunge fashion and how marc and Anna never got the full gist. She then went on to say Hedi slimane's YSL hit the nail on the head so...idk how to take that either.
Emotionally conflicting!
@@BlissFoster emotionally, spiritually, physically conflicting. I didn't live laugh love the energy she created
Anna Sui did a whole grunge show one year and critics trashed it as jumping on the bandwagon with not one original design. Michael Gross called it the ugliest or worst collection of the whole season.
Courtney can be silly that way
I'm in tears, when you put Marc's grungway show next to those nirvana and Co clips, it make Jacob's work look SHEIN or MNML. But hey if you don't live an lifestyle it merely becomes an Aesthetic. Me and Supreme circa 2017
It really was an awesome runway
That picture of Marc at 2:04 lives rent free in my mind at all times.. it is prime NYC style and attitude. I feel like Marc is respected and given credit but I don’t think people really grasp how important he was for fashion from the 90s through the 2010s. Also his “Heaven” line is so nostalgic for Millennials and resonating with Gen Z.
there’s always been something so playful and youthful about Marc. to where even in his 50s he still holds to the young roots of his brand
marc’s heaven capmiagn is stolen and unoriginal mostly
@@2baa3 i just watched a video on that
Bliss i thought you were like 25-27💀
Me too…. 💀
THANK YOU!!!!! FINALLY!!!! Someone on here who got the story right! I was actually 'there' in the fashion biz at the time and this was absolutely right-on. People forget that there were actually a few designers showing 'grunge' that season (but I do remember loving Marc's the best at the time,) ... I even remember jousting with my EIC to get it on the cover of our 'collections' issue!.... even though personally, I actually didn't like that whole 'grunge' thing going on back then, because I felt it was a bit of a let-down and even quite boring, as those were essentially the same things my friends and I wore for years throughout college and stuff, (albeit in more expensive fabrics!) and I had just gotten into the fashion biz at the time to get away from all that, so I wanted G-L-A-M-O-U-R!!!!! LOL ... but we saw the significance of it right away. But as you noted, many in the fashion press didn't at the time, especially the big guns. Everything was very much 'status quo' and the runway had it's own set of rules as to what one could and couldn't show, which had been set in stone for years at that point. But we were young, plucky things at the time, so we 'got' it. It wasn't so much the 'grunge' theme that was important. (My EIC called it 'window dressing' ... and yes, it was not quite the 'real deal', but a 'fashion-ised' version of it,) It was the fact that it was the 'break' needed from the hyper-coordinated, extremely tailored, and yes 'glamourous' fashion that came just before. Suddenly, there was a 'freedom' in fashion where you could mix any proportion, any fabric, any garment you liked - and the more 'vintage' looking, the more personal looking, the better. And yes, the 'high-low' aesthetic that we all take for granted today.... that was UNHEARD of on the international runways at the time. (As I said, the runways played to a very different set of rules back then that I don't think the current generation can even fathom. Even up to that point in the early 90's, a designer collection had to look and be presented a certain way, or else it wasn't considered 'credible' at all....) I remember that 'free' attitude significantly affected the mainstream market for many years after that... and still does in a way, especially with the whole 90's redux thing happening. And YES!!!! I was also working for a big fashion trade paper at the time, so I also knew that the honchos at Perry Ellis were definitely changing strategy (which I might add, was in the works LONG before that spring '93 show,) and did indeed support his 'comeback' with his own label, - even financially to some extent! - so it didn't really seem like an acrimonious 'firing', though that's what passed into history. GAWD I feel old! and my post was WAY too long :P
Thank you for posting! Very insightful
As someone who is obsessed with both fashion and grunge music, I loved this video! I just think it's funny that even though Courtney initially hated the collection to the point of "burning" it, she now appears to be good friends with Marc and is often seen attending his shows and such. She also got super mad at Vetements for copying one of Kurt's shirt that said "corporate magazines still suck", but she didn't mind Marc's redux grunge collection, I wonder why 🤔 Anyways, Marc also casted Coco Gordon Moore (daughter of Kim and Thurston from Sonic Youth) as a model for the redux collection, which I thought was so cute! Ok I'm done geeking, thank you for the video!!
Some great context here! Thank you!
props to marcs for putting that behind him, i'd never forgotten about such a thing, its probably the most disrespectful that'd ever been done to a designer.
She wasn’t kool with him appropriating grunge
Hmmm, I saw grunge as a reaction to hair metal, not punk. Punk wasn’t really mainstream in the late 80s. My friends and I loved grunge because it honored the punk ethos. Hair metal was extremely corporate. Nevermind changed everything overnight. Made everything else seem even more stale and trite than it already did. This was how I experienced it anyway.
as somebody who is friends with a former Marc Jacobs brand employee (who was working the Chicago store in the early 2000’s) and has listened to Tremaine Emory talk in great detail about his personal career at Marc Jacobs, I love hearing about his earlier moves in this detail, great video Bliss.
what 32??? i‘m confused
you look at least six years younger
and without the glasses?!
This was such a long time ago and it’s hard to imagine how people might have been upset about this collection at the time but I remember when grunge came on the scene and I despised it because it seemed to be killing glamour. Looking back at this collection now it looks very chic.
grunge actually looked exotic to me. for one thing all the guys had long hair which is exotic in America. And the mix of guys with long cool-looking hair and kinda "dad" clothes like Kurt's sweaters was exotic.
I'm not sure what women in grunge were doing back then. I think they may have been doing something different from the guys. It'd be a good topic for someone.
Can you do an episode about Junya Watanabe?
32??? Damn I thought u were 25 or sumn
I watched the show on FTV at the time and it was scandal for days. There was a lot of high drama shows in the 90s and that was definitely one of them. Marc kind of took it from both ends because the collection was totally rejected by the street. No one I knew at the time would go near it with a million foot pole. Wearing runway during the age of grunge was a definite no. No one even talked about fashion, i was definitely odd man out for even giving a shit. It was all thrift all the time. The only thing you wore new was undies, socks and occasionally shoes. It was probably thee most eco friendly fashion movement of all time.
wait what??? u are never 32 bro
bro is 32 out here looking 25
32 and 25 don't look much different.
I thought he was in his early 20s
Okay! That isaac mizrahi quote was hilarious. 😂 Yesterday, my husband went out and saw some dudes with questionable fashion, and his first thought was "it made me want to go up and just shout "Why aren't you eating rotten chicken, then!?!"". 😂🤣😆 and just walk away without further explanation😉. That quote has really stuck and we bring it up every time we don't like an outfit.🤣😆😂
Thank you for this video. Points to how street/everyday fashion inspires designers.
I don't agree with Isaac but I get and understand his opinion.
Bliss, I'm sure you may have read Champagne Supernova, or know of it. From what I recall, I thought his H addiction was one of the reasons he got sacked from Perry Ellis (not necessarily the grunge collection).
This man was an alumni from my high school and it’s dirty that my school doesn’t recognize him at all. They’ll recognize a producer on LOST that came from my school but not a man who has changed fashion for a lot of people
Wtf really? I would think they’d be advertising that a lot 🤔
as someone who was a teen in the 80s and coming up in the 90s in my 20s, it was an incredible era! I am pleased to say I have a pair of vintage Perry Ellis men's trousers that still fit me like a glove!
got me crying from laughing so hard when the bloody nose happened and then plugged the patrion I love the comedic effect
A+ tier comedy
I remember getting up at 5am to watch this show on Video Fashion, a few weeks after it came out. I was very into glamour, but I loved the deconstructed broken down appeal of grunge, how accessible it was, and how it could kind of neutralize your sexuality. That said, it wasn't actually that new. It had begun in the eighties, with art students turned pop stars wearing out size tailored pieces, huge jackets and Tees with headbands, torn knits and scruffed up blow dried hair. A kind of non-look look. I don't know what you'd call - but think early Bananarama. I think that's where grunge actually started. Nothing new under the sun I guess. What a fun trip you've taken me down memory lane.
Excellent video! Keep pushing!
I lived in WV in the mid-90's and would see Isaac at our local wine store frequently located by the Bar Six restaurant. We chatted about his comment. He is so animated and we had a ball discussing the down fall of everyday elegance in society although I defended Marc's collection. Missed those fun times.
I just wondering if u can cover some information on why Marc Jacobs left from Louis Vuitton and closing down his own Marc by Marc Jacobs line. Marc Jacobs was a success during he's time with French brand Louis Vuitton and he also was well known to his own brand Marc Jacobs and Marc by Marc Jacobs line. My question until now I don't haven't find any clue or info why he left LVMH and why he close his own MMJ. I did read from the press regarding on his statement when he left LVMH with his last show in SS 2014. But the rest of the story remain mystery!
Loving your fit in this video.
Nooo that picture of Courtney Love was far from '93. More like late '99 early 2000.
1st misconception on how to react to a bloody nose: -leaning back / tilting the neck and head back in an effort to stop the bleed from dripping down on your designer clothes. This method invariably causes blood and mucus to run down the back of he throat and inevitably end up in the stomach- this will for sure make you sick and nauseous ----***instead, one should grab a tissue and lean forward.***
I would wear those clothes now... I bet they would sell out, but honestly I don't see grunge at all, just meh styling... Great insight and more importantly the facts!!!
This just reminded me of the Robert crumb documentary that is a whole entire psychological rollercoaster in itself.
I love how you talk about the fashion industry like it's an animal lmao
I think you missed the major criticism of grunge fashion as well as a major aspect of that time period. Grunge clothes were not what people wore when they were not performing on stage. Grunge clothes were cheap clothes that were all those people could afford. The major criticism of Jacobs' collection was that he took clothes that were cheap and put high price tags on them.
when you said "sitting on the floor, thats so lame" I was like "hey, im sitting on the floor... wait hey, Bliss is also on the floor"
As an ol' Gen-Xer, I remember this collection when it came out and it felt kind of cringe at the time for those of us in the music scene. However, looking at the clothes now, I think it's a very wearable "re-interpretation" of grunge perfect for our current time that I would absolutely wear now. I desperately want the long floral dress Helena Christensen is wearing in this!
How do you feel about coach getting called out for damaging their unsold products? While still running a “don’t ditch it, repair it.” Campaign.
The grunge movement itself hated that runway show because it was anti-fashion on a runway. Marc Jacobs was inspired by popular brands of the time. They saw something they believed was sacred, real, and “for us by us” and saw this as an attack on the movement. Like how the mainstream sorta killed punk by referencing it. As a Rocker myself at age 29, and a lover of fashion, it’s still frowned upon by underground punk & Metal culture to “like fashion” u sorta keep that too yourself.
Love your research into this and digging your grunge look 😉
What an interesting video! ⚡⚡⚡⚡ well done Blisssss!
I like your vids but I cringed a little when you glossed over your comments on the first look from the show… “The model” Who lets her sleeve slip down as she makes return is not just any model and is a big part of the story behind the show. That’s Christy Turlington. She was already a serious living icon at that time. The met costume institute had designed their manikins as models of her using her face and body. She was on the Paris runways of the top designers and was the blue-chip model of that era__ along with Linda Evangelista, Naomi Campbell, etc.. They are a big part of the cultural impact of this moment in this particular show. No contemporary model can come near the cultural cachet that those women represented. Kylie Jenner is nobody compared with them and what they represented in the collective zeitgeist imagination. Also, this show put Kate moss and Amber Valletta etc in the same league with the supermodels and changed modeling itself . After this the look of the models on the cat walks was forever more physically diverse, more personality driven than ever before, and started to skew younger…
I guess part of what I’m saying is that the fact that those models were walking in his imagination _ heavy riff on pop culture almost seemingly sidestepped the brand itself and became more important.
Great info! Thanks for sharing!
Helena Christensen is in this video too, and Carla Bruni!
if they did fire marc wouldn't it be strange because the larger company would have had many chances to approve or disapprove his designs before they went on the runway?
I remember that show. That very event changed everything! Everyone and their Grandma was wearing grunge after Jacob's runway.
please, if your nose is bleeding. do not recline ur head. it's bad
This is actually super true. Don’t tilt your head back, folks 💫💫
I wrote my Dissertation on this!
Amazing outfit this video, dude :)))
Flash back 1990's i worked at very high end department store. I would walk in with a vintage ratty leather coat doc martins and floral dresses ( i had a light grunge look ) I was among very high fashion looking staff .Oh I remember and miss thoose days !!
“When the model”.
*The Christy Turlington, respectfully.
If I subscribe to your damn Patreon, will you spend it wisely and get a box of Kleenex? Your poor nose.
Marc Jacobs' collection pieces were not necessarily "Grunge"; however, the styling (i.e. layering, accessories, messy coiffure, and makeup) was Grunge Like.
Hair lookin good champ
fashion is not about what's beautiful or what's cool...it's about self-expression...and if you like the grunge look and can pull it off then it doesn't matter what the haters say or think...they're irrelevant...we need to change the meaning of fashion because i hate how it's associated with luxury and only sophisticated looks...we need fashion to be about creative free will
This is a great episode from you Bliss and it made me laught because i'm a former journalist myself and i can tell you how these "legends" are born. Unindependent journalist are followers. They follow already existant inclinations of their potential readers. I't not a secret that people love drama and scandals))) So i promise you that it wasn't a misunderstanding from journalists but DELIBERATE misinterepretations of facts. Thank you for bringing this story under the light of real facts.
Lol, it's hard to believe that even Suzy was trying to militate against grunge)) Even best of the best are not safe from being biased once in a blue moon))
Donna Karen also showed a grung collection and it didn't retail well as her customer was used to more tailored looks from her.
He did say on an interview with Naomi that he was fired because of the financial issues Perry was having.
Bliss Foster, you are amazing!
RUclips needs more Marc Jacob related videos, thank you!
i had to laugh at this Marc Jacobs pastel grunge interpretation
I understand the Sonic Youth music video now thank you !
…So he was laid-off rather than fired (there’s a difference).
Love that your shirt is matching the vibe today
No one perfect. Everyone has golden time and shit time. Nobody will be forever. Everything comes and gone. It is life.
Dis not know a shit about this whole story, thank you so much !
also how old were models in teh 90s, they seem 25ish, now its really like 16
😃In a weird turn of grunge/indie music scene overlapping fashion/art imitating life, Sonic Youth goddess Kim Gordon had a short lived fashion line in the early 90’s.
you never fail to impress. You used the proper term "died of aids complications" bravo to you and a great review of this issue
I’ve only ever heard the phrase “died of aids complications” 🤔 what would be the alternative?
@@BlissFoster uneducated people generally say “died of aids” I was born in 63 and lived through the dark times of the epidemic in NYC
I’m sorry you had to live through that, must have been a nightmare 😕
❤️
New to your channel! Like your explanation of Marc Jacob’s history in the fashion world and grunge fashion. Great job!
i'm a fashion student from argentina i discover your chanel a few weeks ago and i already think you're the best
The infamous bloody nose episode.
Oh Isaac where are you now.
you're THIRTY TWO .... damn
I wouldn't say high fashion and birkenstocks is my thing. More like mid tier and birkenstocks. Mall Goth is maybe uncharitable way of putting. But more like if you blended Hippy, Goth, and a smidgen of Cyberpunk.
It's mind blowing that one guy even tried grunge in the runway industry.
"sitting on the floor, that's so lame" *sits on floor*
awesome vid and awesome hair
Hahaha if Issak was offended by this ugliness, I want to see his reaction to actual fashion right now!
grunge was straight leg jeans, ring t-shirt, flannel shirt and converse sneakers. that Courtney pic was from the 2003 I think.
10:18 wait. Did you say a designers job is to not make money for the company? “Not Marc’s Job”
Perry Ellis was on par with Calvin Klein when he was alive.
Thank god finally I love the camera settings this time
you are smart & I love you
Love ur shorts!
that shirts fire
LOVE Suzie M
I love your hairstyle
Brilliant... wonderful! 😁
I like your video but your house is amazing ! Where u from bro ?
Lmaoo love your vids.
increase your mic volume when you record please!
Hey bliss,,, please please make a video of fashion autobiographies/ biographies to read 😯
There’s an excellent video on my favorite fashion biographies on the Patreon. There’s a ton of other exclusive videos as well. You should give it a look 💫💫
Yesssssss!!!!!! I can’t stand him.
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He was fired from Ann Klein also
yas, kurt and court! & oh, the press!
Issac Miserable is just ridiculous
I was so glad Marc Jacobs was fired. His "Grunge" looks were hideous! Absolutely unwearable.
Informing. Thanks!
Thank you for what you do Bliss