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Master vs Master - Omega Seamaster vs Seiko Marinemaster
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- I'm asked on a regular basis how I would compare these two luxury divers. They are very different in feel as well as price point. In this video I go into specifics and try to illustrate the strengths of each and how they stack up to each other. Let me know what you think!
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They're both beautiful pieces!
I am pining this. Metallica rocks!
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I totally agree :)
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@@BruceWilliams 80s metallica yes
@@BruceWilliams Metallica metals! ;)
I like the seamaster, but I don’t feel like it’s a timeless design. When I look at some of the 15 or 20 year old seamasters, they look dated. People are paying premium prices for Seiko reissues. I think the MM300 will hold up better over time.
the omega seamaster 300 smp has not changed it's design since 1993... Both watches can be had for discounts... seiko usually have higher discounts. I own both, but i am just speaking from a purely objective perspective.
@@brianhsin678vintage seikos are very expensive.
I dive and I've switched to full digital dive watches for accuracy and visibility. I have experience with the seiko and have a dive instructor who had the Omega. There is no way the Omega are even comparable. The Seiko is built for diving period. One piece design and an extending band with good lume. Put on a pair of dive gloves and get the watch wet with slimy west coast sea water and the omega dial won't turn. I know this from first hand experience. The seiko is a pure dive watch and not pretending to be anything else. The Omega is a sports watch. Display case back and a bezel thats hard to turn along with a crown that catches on velcro belts and small loops. The seamaster is made for people who like the look of a dive watch and like to take a watch into the shower or the swimming pool. Don't get me wrong Bruce I love the channel and enjoy your reviews but your way off on this one.
How about the a Rolex Submariner vs MM?
@@Wasabi_Master it's almost exactly the same.
@@BPFACTS88 with the difference that Rolex has much more accurate mechanism than Omega and does not lose so on values.
Damn Bruce this guy schooled you haha
I totally agree with you. I just bought the Seiko LX SNR029 with the Spring Drive. A real dive watch. Neither Rolex or Omega can touch Seiko when it comes to real life diving watches!
seiko 4 boating....omega 4 showboating
Well said! 😂
We buy watches for what it does for us and how it tugs at our heart. Not what others think of our collection. I think Japanese watches are very underrated compared to the Swiss. Japanese have a history of building high quality affordable and tasteful products (Toyota and Lexus). I used to be a Swiss watch fanboy - Omega, Rolex, Tag, Breitling, etc. But after researching Seiko and Grand Seiko, I am really liking what Seiko and GS stands for.
The thing is I rather wear my Seiko more than my Rolex or Omega. That's the phenomenon that keeps happening to me. I can't understand it. Seiko 80% Rolex 10% Omega 10% on my rotation.
That is about the time I sold my last 3 Rolex and last 2 Omega watches, I mean "timepieces". I then bought and enjoyed more Seikos. I guess the advertising of the Swiss brands worked to a large degree but, in the end, it turns out that I am not that pretentious...anymore.
Excuse me, have you any Grey Poupon?
Same here, owned/handled virtually everything out there but something just draws me to Seikos and they get the most wrist time. They have Magic Factor that make them absolute joy to wear whether it's Seiko 5 or G.S..
@@merlinzipp Damn, I'm glad I'm not the only one; my gun dealer looks at me funny because I've got rid of most of my "luxury" pieces and have developed an enthusiasm for Seikos. I was starting to think there was something wrong with me. Seikos are like potato chips, you can't have just one. Or two. Or three.
@@varanid9 Ha, ha, but true.If they could only stack and store like Pringles. They take up a lot of square footage.
late to the party but... yes.
As a diver, the MarineMaster is my pick. Its price doesn't make me so worried to have it banged up but still makes me feel like I'm wearing something valuable. Also the grip on the bezel is so much better on the MM. I also reviewed this watch on my channel! Great head to head Bruce!
I wish my and all Seamasters had tappered bracelets. I can't stand how the bracelet is so wide at the clasp.
Bruce, I liked this format very much... really enjoy watching these VERSUS videos.
Exactly, that's why replacement straps for all Omega are selling so well
There are days when I have a strong desire to own the Marine Master and many days when I wouldn't give it a second look. Because this is such a good presentation with a video that captures the beauty of the Marine Master it is a day I would choose the Seiko over the Omega Seamaster.
They are both beautiful, but if it’s my hard earned and saved for months cash.... it’s the marine master
I have both and my MM keeps better time.
i have both as well, but the mm300 is very thick and chunky.
So, any watch I own needs to be able to handle daily beatings of everyday life and still look and work well; go from hiking trail to office. Hence, why I am not a fan of Rolex. How do these two watches handle daily wear and presence?
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Omega
@@gpmaher That makes no sense, Rolex is renowned for robust and durable automatic movements.
I have both... the omega keeps much better time... the seiko at +7 the omega at +.25 seconds per day
I think it's much closer than that. The real bummer on the omega is the hands. The whole point of the watch is to tell time. Skeleton movement, sure. Skeleton hands, not so sure.
I've acutlly found that my Seiko keeps better time than my Omega!
Mine too, but the variance is what kills it. For most of the time, my Seiko 6R15 could keep anywhere from 0.4s to 1s in either direction per day, my Tudor and Rolex around 1s. But other times of the year, depending on my activity or weather, or what have you, my Tudor and Rolex would be the same, my Seiko would go to -8s per day.
@@rousseau327 the 8L35 has very low variance, i.e. high consistency. Meaning if you get a MM300 that is +6 a day, it's likely to remain +6 throughout the year. The 6r15 is several tiers below the 8L35, imo. If it's regulated, the 8L35 would basically be a Grand Seiko movement, high accuracy and low variance.
The sheikh is a great piece, mine is about +4/day. The omega, on the other hand, is amagnetic and runs right at +1/day.
Great video and great comparison, although a bit unfair. Agree that the Omega takes it against the MM300, but given the price difference, the true competitor should be the Seiko LX SNR029 which is priced similar to the Omega. I would love to see a comparison between those 2, and my hunch is that the Seiko will take it for the win on that match-up!
Seiko for me, I have the blue one, and all less money for it, so worth it!
the MM300 hands down, it just more attractive to me.
I have both, i would wear the omega with a suite, definitely not the seiko.
imho: omega seamaster diver is the best money/quality watch today on the market. It will just perform better than ANY other diver on the market on a "rational" comparison. The only reason to pick a fifty fathoms, a marine master, a Lange Odysseus, a Submariner is because you like that specific look or history, and you care about that more than the features/finishing/performance.
Many superlatives here: “best”, “better than any”... Really? A ‘Swatch’ for $4000 + ? While I do like the movement, I don’t think everybody would agree with your ‘rational’ comparison. If you really like the Omega, just buy a used one at half the price.
@@edteach3r it is quite clear that we value different things. Omega is not "swatch" even if it is in the same group. Finishing and materials of the Seamaster are on top of the watches in the diver sub 10k bracket. Coaxial escapement, accuracy and overall mechanical build are top in the same segment. Those are facts, not opinions, and you can easily verify them through youtube reviews (if you rely on them) or simply by taking a loupe and inspecting the watch yourself. In addition to this, your reply is just a polemic one, in fact there is NO WAY you can find a seamaster at half retail price unless it's a fake. You can easily buy one new for 5k or less, the current 2nd market value is about 4k, slightly less for bad conditions. Is depreciation going to be an issue for omega? Yes, in fact it's an issue with ANY brand except the overvalued Rolex and Patek. The only "opinion" in comparing the seamaster 300m diver to other divers is about your preference in its design and style, almost any other scientific metric is on the favour of the omega. If you disagree, please provide counterproof.
Void : Personally, I value Omega as a brand and was only questioning the superlatives you were assigning to a watch that is mass-produced. As a quick reference, I am looking at Chrono24 and Watchbox (verified dealers only) and there are a number available at 30-40% over new (including box and papers, cheaper without), and this is without looking very hard. I buy all my watches from my AD and they regularly have used Omega Seamasters (different models) for sale that offer significant discounts over new. I own a 1967 Seamaster (my dad’s watch) and it runs beautifully, and am currently looking at buying the calibre 321 Speedmaster. However, it is not the “best” watch, in my opinion.
Eddie de Beer everyone’s best will differ of course , but I def see his point ..... however show me another watch in the 5 grand range that categorically beats it . I’d love to consider it for my collection .... it’s a hell of a diver , it’s a hell of a watch ... people may be down on the look but that does not deny its workmanship its quality it’s value . And the swatch thing is so played out . It’s not even an argument it’s just stating a fact . Yep they own them . Like General Motors owns Cadillac ...
i prefer the Seiko MM300 over the Omega
Seamasters are boring.
I am so tempted by that Seiko BW. I'm a sucker for blue dials too. Lol!
Great review, for me as a diver,can be only one answer, Seiko mm on price alone.Having a Seamaster for a few years and issues, back to swatch group. Would only trust the Seiko in the sea and for diving.
Bruce-Thanks for a great video. Having an 8.5" wrist the MM 300 would be my choice although you can't possibly go wrong with either.
Am I seeing things or does that Omega look noticeably larger than the Seiko?
It's an optical illusion. The dial of the Seiko is smaller, but the case is a little wider (if I recall correctly; sold my Omega and kept my MM300 some time back) and much thicker. The size of the dial does so much for the perceived size of a watch, I've found.
The omega is probably the better watch m but prefer the looks of the seiko, don’t like the skeleton hands on the omega and the dial is to big cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧
shaneweightman: exactly what I thought, those skeleton hands look so cheap and ugly.
Agree! I prefer the Seiko anytime and save some money for other watches. Omega hands arggg... I used to had some Omega's because of my wife like the brand, so every year she gave me one (Seamaster, PO, Proplof, etc) for my birthday and to these days only survive the Proplof. Instead I've some Grand Seiko and I'm happy with that decision.
I don't know what Bruce has, My MM300's finish is noticeably nicer than my Omega's was (it's gone now while I still have my Seiko). From what I've read about the movements, the Seamaster has nothing on the Marinemaster in terms of design; in fact, the MM300's movement appears to be a more efficient design while, according to one watchmaker I talked to, the Omega's Coax is a throwback to a less efficient design used as a basis for no other reason than so Omega can say they have something Rolex doesn't. However, he also did say that the Omega had more attention put to its movement's assembly while the Seiko could stand being regulated.
Edit: It wasn't a watchmaker, it was an article in a watch magazine that talked about why Omega went to the Coaxial movement.
Omega Master Chronometers are tested in all 6 positions, not 5. That should bump it to a 10/10 for me.
That is true, I mispoke. They even engrave it on the movement. The only thing that I was let down with on this movement was that they did not place the jumping hour hand in and instead placed a quickset date. I really love the jumping hour on the planet oceans and seamaster 300
@@BruceWilliams I get that. For me, I like the novelty of the jump hour hand, but I set the date infinitely more often than I travel across time zones.. so I actually prefer this movement :) I know its not as cool, but its more practical for a fellow like me.
The jumping hour hand belongs in a Gmt and I love it on my GMTs. However, I don't think a divers watch should be penalized for not having this feature. But that's just me.
@@stansuarez Not penalizing, just not giving perfect marks. That would leave no room for improvement
Official price Seiko 3400€ on their site and Omega 4900€ so that is almost 50% more expensive, for me not a fair comparison. I like the classic looks from the Seiko more. Interesting review though, thank you!
I’d like to see how the Seiko Prospex LX compares to the Omega......
Have both watches Seiko LX spring drive is a thicker watch but like it better than the Omega Seamaster with its heavy metal bracelet
Have both watches prefer Seiko prospects LX is a much lighter watch and more accurate movement But the Omega Seamaster movement is good as well
Handled both extensively. If you're not a titanium fan, the LX will seem too light. The watch is also very thick and compared to the mm300 wears truer to size due to larger dial and indices pushed to edge of dial. The bracelet and clasp are disappointing just like the sbga231. The crown is very chunky and will bite into your wrist (depending in how you wear it). The dial in my opinion also looks cheap and plasticky with the matte charcoal finish. In prefer the regular mm300. If the lx is supposed to be the pinnacle of prospex and spring drive, they should reduce thickness by 2mm, reduce crown size, improve bracelet and clasp and use a deep gloss dial for it to look the part. The smp300 has better bracelet, clasp, dial and wears better than the lx
Seiko spring drives I have not had great luck with in GS watches, one of mine stopped moving within a year. GS didn’t cover it under warranty since GS stated it was in contact with an exterior magnet like an airport scanner. GS charged $880 to recharge the internal magnets on the watch and it took almost 3 months since it had to be sent to Japan. My GS spring drive chrono constantly ran fast about 10 seconds a day but GS claimed 1 second. GS also would not cover adjusting under warranty since the warranty states an guaranteed accuracy of plus or minus 10 seconds they just advertise plus or minus 1. While my Omega seamaster has been between plus 1.5-2 seconds daily and measured and my speedmaster is plus 4-4.5 seconds daily measured. So both are more accurate then my two spring drive movements. My A Lange Lange 1 beats both of them at less then 1 second a day measured even beats my two pateks which run 2-3 seconds over a day. My Seiko line watches are not spring drive just autos and my newest the Propex Alpinist is not very accurate at all but a great looking cheap watch at $750, it measures plus 10 seconds one day then minus 7 another, then minus 10, then minus 7 again, so far it’s all over the place but still nice looking for the price. I love the look of Seiko watches but their movement accuracy is only at the beginning and more hype then truth from my experience. Still amazing looking watches but movements are not at the level of many other brands out there unless you’re looking at their bargain or made in Japan but under a grand watches. Great finish on the watch and you really can’t expect COSC or DIN level movements at that price point no brand offers that under $2,000. I will say GS spring drive chrono watches have terrible resale value, so if you like them buy used since GS’s warranty covers almost nothing anyway.
@@Peter-tc3ep I must admit I don't believe you had the grand Seiko had it 3 years have no problems with it went through Airport didn't get magnetised
I think you may need to consider the actual cost of each point awarded to get the actual ‘bang per buck’ and also these are allegedly tool watches, divers, so which one performs the best in that situation? Finally, running costs and depreciation should also be considered to give a complete picture.
Great comment!
Please MORE comparisons like this, Bruce!! 👍🏼
Bruce , what do you think of the brushed hands on the seiko? I know you didn’t really like the brushed hands on the triton.
The triton is overly done imo, plus with the painted black portions. I just don't think it works. This is linear, clean, finer grain, and overall... just one of my favorite handsets
Bruce Williams got it.
Omega Seamaster ftw, love mine. In one year of ownership have never left my wrist.
love that seamaster cant wait to pick mine up
Although the Omega is undoubtedly great, there is something about the Seiko look that I absolutely love and it would be my choice.
Bruce you made me pull back on MM, I will look on Omega instead. You are making a lot of sense here
seiko mm300 is my favorit ,omega is made for old man
I love both, but I really appreciate the relative thinness of the Omega sometimes, the lume on the Seiko at other times.
I like Seiko , in fact , I have three ... BUT , Omega Sm all day everyday , twice on Sundays .
Fantastic comparison Bruce! They are both great watches and I think this head to head proves, go with your gut and get the one that is calling to you - neither is a bad choice :)
Truth!
Hi Bruce, great video thanks. I have owned both; the Seiko is terrific but for me it was just too similar to all of the other Seiko divers, albeit with a slightly higher quality apart from disappointingly low rent bracelet. Furthermore it's seriously way too to heavy. Just impossible too relax with. The Seamaster wore a lot better with it's better proportions and is a stunning and very individual looking piece with an epic movement. I agree though that the face, though stunning in finish, may be a little over the top for some people. Cheers from the UK
Great review Bruce; I think it was a fair assessment and you kept my attention the whole time. One thing that consistently bothers me with Seiko is their movements. I personally find them underwhelming at best in terms of aesthetic and fine when it comes to accuracy. While I believe the Marinemaster 300 is a good watch, i'd definitely be tempted to look else where in that price range.
Marinemaster Ali the way!!!
Beautifully shot video. Although I don’t think it would chance the winner, I would add weights to the scores for example, movement is much more important than presentation box, etc.
The box is also part of the brand experience and when you get into luxury, experience has a lot of weight. I think at Omegas price point you're getting an excellent experience. Their presentation boxes exceed Rolexes.
Love Seiko, but Omega wins this round.
Seiko Marinemaster vs Tudor Black Bay with in house movement would be interesting
When it comes to extras... a nice box (giggity) is great and all but I think the extra strap means way more. After the day you get it, that box will usually be put away and never used or seen again. That extra strap is actually useful.
Its not that great though. a 40 dollar strap...
@@BruceWilliams , lol, I have my Sumo on a $12 rubber strap right now. Options you can wear are fun. Even my fabulous Rolex box sits in the basement.
@@planetdee3587 true that. I really liked the older waffle straps they used to come with. Not excited about this one
@@BruceWilliams not even...
This video just makes me wish you scored all watches you review. Like the metacritic of watch channels lol
Good video man!
Thanks Bruce. I reckon the MM300 on a leather, business casual Friday looks pretty cool. Great comparison, enjoyed it.
I wear mine on a green Tropic and it looks great.
Thanks!
Dive watch on leather....lol
Great video! I hope you will review the new limited edition black PVD Marinemaster! Cheers :)
The Omega just leaves me cold. The Seiko sings to me. MM300 hands down.
Thanks for the vid, I have the seamaster and love it and I flipped the marinemaster but I do yearn for its return and could definitely see me owning both. Cheers mate
Agreed they could definitely coexist in a collection
I feel really fortunate to have grabbed up one of the last 2531.80 SMP’s available at an AD. Since it had been discontinued, they gave me a considerable discount. I actually prefer the more subtle older wave dial. Your comparison was very fair and thoughtful. Well done!
Excellent! Getting a considerable discount at an AD is the best. Congrats Jeffery
Love Seiko. Don’t care much about accuracy. Few second a day won’t make any difference in real life.
Grissana Takeyama Especially when we all have phones & can monitor how fast or slow our watch is anytime we want.
What a lot of people don't know, is many top-end watches do not give a crap about variance. APs have +7s from some users, same as Lange, etc. The mid-tier luxury watches (Rolex, Omega, Grand Seiko, etc.) is where people actually really care about accuracy.
One for boating, and another one for cruising.
2 beautiful watches. Omega much better value over Rolex, Seiko a tremendous value Great review, many thanks! 😽
Luv the seiko but it’s the Omega all day long, it’s a great watch with a five year warranty 👍🇬🇧
Well said Peter
You read my mind! As soon as u posted the Seamaster review first thing that popped into my head was how it compares to the MM300. Like I’ve said before, I’m a big fan for 4 o’clock crowns. Great comparo!
I wish I could get both!
Another awesome, Bruce. You’re very good at this!
I like the Seiko’s design is a classic design. I truly hate having two crowns on a watch, especially that it’s off balance.
The Seiko for boating, the Omega for motor boating.
Correct! Seiko is more robust. Coaxial movement is rather fragile.
@@code6400 I can definitely tell you've never owned Omega's new Coaxial.
@@NotificationalAlert I did but flipped it soon after. Not because of that, though.
Ha! hahaha Lold hard on this one.
MM all day. Much more magic factor for me. Nothing worse than that SM bracelet design. MM keeps growing on you vs SM blah at first, and collect dust in the drawler within a week design.
Enjoyed the video and I think pretty fair. I would have given crystal to Seiko. I have never had such a clear and pleasing crystal with AR only only the underside as my SLA023. They can do an invisible crystal with AR on the outside as is evidenced in their cheaper SARX line. The the MM300 crystal does some kind of magic with the undercoating and the inner dome design. It is also really nice knowing the surface won't ever get scratched up.
Another great comparison. Really enjoying this series. I do love that Seamaster and would love to have it my humble collection.
Bruce I’ve never seen the Seiko in person and it’s lovely but the dial seems a bit small, perhaps if they thinned out the Bezel and made the diameter of the dial larger it would look more balanced?🤔
I love the look myself :)
There are other seiko models with more balanced proportions. The marinemaster's tall and small faced look is iconic and has its own admirers.
Stanley Suarez yes, I don’t dislike it.
Old thread but just watching this video. I’ve had 2 Of the new Seamasters and loved the bling and waves on the dial, but hated the sharp edges of the case, the helium valve look on the wrist, and the non tapering bracelet. I avoided the Marinemaster because of all the reviews about it being too chunky. I have to say that that the Marinemaster is in a league of its own at half the price. If you can wear a Tudor GMT, you can wear the MM300. The bracelet is not as refined a the Omega but it works great, plus it’s a strap monster (great Strapcode options). The negative for me is that the date is too small. But who’s looking at the date while diving 😂
Once you owned a seiko you don’t realize you want another one and then becomes a collection
Great compare Bruce. Question, is that pip (or capsule as Omega calls it) lume blue on that Seamaster? Didn’t look green to me in video. Mine is coming up blue-ish. Bugs me a little, but I don’t want my bezel swapped out, watch and bezel has been with me already for over a year, can’t give away attached memories.
But which would you be more comfortable taking diving?
Good review but I don’t agree. Having owned all manner of Omega, Rolex, and Tudor watches, the Seiko is a whole lot of watch for the money. Similar to Christopher Ward in terms of bang per buck. I’m not selling my Rolex root beer or Pepsi GMTs anytime soon, but I’d take the MarineMaster over the SeaMaster any day.
I normally don't get too impressed with seiko divers, but damn!! This reference is awesome
Both beauts in their own way. Would service costs be a consideration as well?
Omega movement vs Seiko movement, from USA.
They would be similarly priced
Bro....Movement only a 9? Come on man! Definitely a 10 given the value. Loved the video, but i think you ended up with final numbers closer than they should be. Seamaster crushes that Seiko.
Yes, indeed. Bulletproof movement.
I can only give a 10 if its perfect and could not be improved.... not quite there imo
While I am not into either of these watches, I agree with Bruce’s scores. The Seiko lacks personality while the Omega needs to shed some of its size. I agree the movement in the Omega is outstanding, however.
I agree on movement the master co-axial should be a 10 ... Bruce you always so there is no perfect watch so I guess your sticking to your guns!
Would the 8L35 score a 9 if it was regulated?
I especially like the DUST on the Omega dial which is easily seen on close ups starting at 1:42. I have never seen any on the 20 plus that I have owned but quality control is first to go when cranking out a product. I have had two large metal filings (1/2 mm) on a white dial Rolex that took 4 months to get in after ordered from their #1 retailer. It took another week to get that fixed and back to me from Rolex. I have only seen one piece of dust on one out of 120+ Seiko watches. Japanese culture frowns on needless imperfections.
Sadly Seikos also suffer from their own issues like misaligned bezels, inserts, chapter rings and or markers.
Wow this is complete nonsense. imagine implying Seiko has quality control. Christ. Thanks for the laugh.
Can we please discuss the helium escape valve? I love everything about the Omega but I can’t get past the hideous (helium) escape valve.
I like to call it the helium release wart! Ugly and unwanted
Bruce Williams AMEN BROTHER!
One is a true tool diver and the other one desk diver..
Which one you prefer upto ones need
The concept is very nice hope to see more of these. I'd like to see a GP Laureato vs the AP. Thanks
I would love to own either of these watches, but if I had to choose it would be omega. Great video my man
Great comparison! Thank you.
Your reviews are next level.
Thanks for the useful video! Very well done comparison.
Thank you
I'm suprised their wasn't a value for money score.
The Omega bracelet might be better but is it $2000 better?
I really really want to like seiko but when they go head to head with the Swiss counterparts they just fall short for me . I can’t get passed the spongy bezel , sub par bracelets ,and the acceptable deviation..... also not a huge fan of the Crown at the 4 position . I passed on them a couple times now in favor of this seamaster and a black bay .
I love the smp and the BB. I'll have some new Tudor vids coming out fairly soon
Bruce Williams And Bruce if I’m honest it not just those things I listed , I usually dont care for the designs as much . Just purely a like or dislike like thing .... now I am interested in a tuna, but it kills me it doesn’t have sapphire at that price ... I just about consider that a must these days .
When comparing a $500 watch to a $5000 watch, such things are understandable, but, the MM300 has phenomenal deviation, the bezel on mine is excellent, and, actually, the bracelet wears excellently, though, usually, those are the first to go because I can't leave my watches well enough alone. Omegas are just gaudy and tasteless looking in their "catch up to Rolex" fever. Tudors are nice, but, the Grand Seiko movement in the MM300 is more refined. Not that that would stop me from getting a Black Bay or a titanium Pelagos, mind you.
Just don't understand why people keep complaining about the MM300 bracelet, it's truly a watch built for diver and actually very handy and easy to adjust when you wearing a wet suit.
Most watch guys don't dive
Bruce Williams unfortunately this is a seiko prospex, and they tend to built something they name it for! 😅
@@philipchan68 I'm all for using it as intended. But that isn't justification for a bracelet that could be a lot better and still be taken diving
Great comp Bruce - SMP for me as well!
Thanks for the comparison, I tend to agree with your opinions on these 2 watches. Like them both!
fantastic points, but a huge consideration also may be, how do the watches compare for use in their intended purpose ? no mention.
Same depth rating, i would say legibility goes to Seiko. Most people who dive use dive computers.
Hey Bruce do you have a recommendation for a gmt auto 41mm or larger? I’ve been looking at the Tudor, the Rolex at 40mm is just too small for my wrist and over priced in my opinion. Thoughts?
I think GS has a hi beat gmt at 41 or 42. Anything with an ETA isnt a true gmt. I would say the Tudor although tall is probably the best
Thx for the response Bruce.
They were beautiful pieces in two forms, Omega looks more dressy, and Seiko looks more sporty, I think Seiko more suitable for people who love have a T shirt and jean when go out.
I own this exact combo and completely agree with you!
Bruce, should I go for the black sla021 or blue sla023? They cost the same price at my local AD
I like the blue more personally
I like the aesthetics of the marinemaster more but i'm not a fan of that movement. Speaking of the movement; The non free sprung 8l35 with no balance bridge, that you cant see, with a normal escapement, and a super wide acceptable accuracy range gets 8 points. You then give a movement you can see with a free sprung balance, a full balance bridge, silicon hair spring, coaxial escapement, extreme magnetic resistance, and master chronometer rating 9 points? how is all that stuff worth 1 point?
The difference lies in your perception of the 8l. There is nothing wrong with a well done simple movement with regulating pins. Seiko won many accuracy competitions with it. My knock is Seiko is overcautious in thier promised specs. Love the co axial. The only thing I wish they did was add the jumping hour feature used in the planet ocean and seamster 300
@@BruceWilliams I suppose it depends on what aspect of the hobby you are the most interested in. Movement technology and execution means the most to me and i've been burned by seiko too many times now.
I'm a big seiko Fan and collector and even I would give the 8L35 a lower score if the Omega only got a 9. My 8L35 in my MM300 gets + 0.7 seconds a day and it's phenomenal but on the other hand, my Emperor Tuna with the Same 8L35 is running at +8 seconds per day and only settles to +4 seconds a day if I keep it running for at least a week.
For a 2thousand dollar watch, I'd expect better regulation.
Maybe that's why seiko is pushing upmarket buyers to the LX line with the spring drives.
Very fair question
The omega movement is incredible . Blows this away . Perhaps a spring drive would be a much better comparison...
What a comparison . May I give your test 10/10 ? Because I like it . Well, I have had 2 Omega Seamaster watches but not missing them at all . I like Seiko as a brand and have a couple of watches as well. Omega as a brand gets more appreciation of mine though .
I agree on the Seiko bracelets , I don't know why they don't care about bracelet solidness and quality perception as much as cases , dials ,bezels
Marine Master is very expensive too
1. for me, the Marinemaster is the winner.
Why is it not mentioned that a Grand Seiko movement works in the MM and is built in the Grand Seiko factory? Why is Dia Shield and Zaratsu polishing not mentioned.
I like Omega, but not the Seamaster. These hands? I don't like the helium valve at all. Seiko is 300 water resistant and doesn't need such weird valve. Why wasn't that scored?
The price difference was also not considered, would be at least 5 points. Comparable would be a watch from the new Seiko LX series- and there the winner would be clearly Seiko. Even if the packaging of Omega should be better, but I do not care. I do not have the packaging on my arm ;-)
U damn right!
I like the Seiko much better - than this PARTICULAR Omega - but, for a daily driver, if the Omega is only $1000 more, I'd recommend that since it's a much slimmer watch than the Seiko. I'll take the Seiko for serious diving, though, although I'm sure the Omega could probably deliver in that category as well.
they both have the same depth rating. Go PO and get double the depth rating.
Do you still have that SLA033? Is that a keeper?
Its not. My friend wanted to buy it off me so I sold it to him for a great price
Bruce Williams I really like that watch but it’s a bit expensive for what it is. Still tempted though!
I think for the vintage look and design, I would rather keep the MM300. Because Omega keeps on tweaking sa smp. Whether it be the size from 41mm to 42mm, small waves to no waves and bring it back again. So I'd rather save the extra 2K and fund the next watch and get the MM300 sbdx017.
both look amazing!
Good comparison, but the scores need weighting - not sure 'box and extras' are equally important as 'quality!' That aside, these are two very good, but quite different watches. From my diver/owner perspective, the Seiko is a pro-level dive tool, the Omega a versatile luxury sports diver. The Seiko is more similar to the Planet Ocean or Sea-Dweller, the SMP to the Sub. I'd add that for diving, the Seiko has the better clasp: it doesn't matter if it's cheap pressed steel, it will clamp over a wetsuit or glove without removal and is very tough. Also, servicing is much cheaper on the Seiko and I'd say it's a more proven, reliable movement, that's easily regulated at service. I've got 4x 8L powered watches and 3 of them are more accurate than my 3x Omega CoAxials... But these are both nice watches, both are watches for life. For me, if Seiko improved the look of the bracelet (it's fine, functionally) and binned the Prospex logo, the Marinemaster would be at the level of a Sea-Dweller - that good.
I agree on the Seiko brand perception comments. Points off for the Seamaster bezel grip = laughable
Neill Levine I agree on the bezel grip. Scalloping dates the look of the watch a bit.
Love the Seiko because I don't like this Seamaster
For sure. The Omega is an ugly timepiece. It has always reminded me of a 90s/early 2000s TAG.
I much prefer last gen seamaster
I missed this awesome video from 7 months ago, thank you so much, Bruce. My pick is the Omega. The Seiko's polishing almost looks like mercury it's so beautiful, but TO ME in every category it's the SMP300m