Did They Really Make A Bentley Out Of A Volkswagen? VW Phaeton Vs Bentley GT

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  • Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
  • It's essentially the same car so why is the Bentley double the price of the Phaeton? When VW bought Bentley they knew it was crucial the first model produced would live up to the name.. strange then that they made the GT on the same platform and with the same engine as a lowly Volkswagen. Did they get away with it? Here I compare the two cars and see if the Bentley really is worth double the price of the VW.. which is the same car underneath.
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  • @ErikDB6
    @ErikDB6 Год назад +321

    The Phaeton is the car you buy to impress yourself. The Bentley is the one you buy to impress other people.

    • @peteb3091
      @peteb3091 Год назад +10

      Ohh that's good.

    • @eleonik76
      @eleonik76 Год назад +23

      And how exactly would I impress myself by being surrounded by cheap and grey VW plastics??

    • @TassieLorenzo
      @TassieLorenzo Год назад +18

      @@eleonik76 I'd have to check, but I think most of the VW Phaeton's interior is trimmed in leather or wood. Although there may be foam-backed "soft touch plastic" on some surfaces that would otherwise be trimmed in leather on a Bentley or Maserati.
      Edit -- It seems that a leather dashboard was available but not for right-hand-drive Phaetons.

    • @eleonik76
      @eleonik76 Год назад +4

      @@TassieLorenzo The dash trim on the Phaeton is called extended leather package. Nothing extraordinary. BMW had it optional as part of the "Complete leather package"for its E39/E38 back in early 2000s. And it was a premium leather. I've been in Phaeton,and with the exception of few bits and pieces,the quality of the plastics,the leather,the buttons and the metal surfaces are even worse than E46 BMW. Compare it to full spec E39 with comfort seats,full Merino leather,16/9 DVD screen and double glazed windows,massage seats and that VW looks like exactly what it is,a Passat with big engine and few extra "premium" options. Premium car doesn't mean big engine and extended options list,if it would be so,KIA and Hyundai would've nailed it by now. As long as you can find the same fabrics,plastics and leather quality as the ones in the Passat and Golf,we can't talk of premium here.

    • @omnitraveller
      @omnitraveller Год назад +15

      I would be really unimpressed with myself if I saw a Phaeton in my garage 😅

  • @johnmandragon4830
    @johnmandragon4830 Год назад +35

    Running a 210,000 mile W12 Phaeton is admirable. Brave and admirable.

  • @mark8544
    @mark8544 Год назад +136

    I’ve always fancied a Phaeton, the epitome of understated.

    • @TassieLorenzo
      @TassieLorenzo Год назад +5

      Go for it! "The service bills arent" VW say, "If only everything was as reliable as a Volkswagen"! 😊
      Personally I don't even trust a VW Golf compared to a Honda Civic mind you (I feel like my 13 year old 8th-gen Civic that basically just goes & goes and doesn't break is way more reliable than a Mk5 or 6 Golf would be), but I'd chance a Honda Legend and a Audi A6 is pretty much the same kind of thing.
      Phaeton a little more exotic than an A6 of course (not too dissimilar to the later A8?)...

    • @jamesmansion2572
      @jamesmansion2572 Год назад +3

      I can't imagine needing a faster car either. More comfy, more space. No brainer.

    • @matthewlok3020
      @matthewlok3020 Год назад +1

      At least the Hong Kong government wasn’t fanciful of theirs

    • @Tc4ify
      @Tc4ify Год назад +4

      Servicing bills for the W12 are not understated though, not even one bit. I have a friend who had both it and BMW V12 of the same era and the Phaeton was miles more expensive to run and keep on the road.

    • @martsteegh4122
      @martsteegh4122 Год назад +1

      @@TassieLorenzo The later A8? What do you mean, the A8 appeared way much earlier than the Phaeton (A8 in 1994, Phaeton in December 2001)

  • @user-mi9he8ni1q
    @user-mi9he8ni1q Год назад +17

    I bought perfectly preserved VW Phaeton in 2015 for just a 7500 euros. There was some company in liquidation and it seemed I was the only one interested into their car since in a auction 7500 euros was starting and final price. This car is just for my weekends driving and the very best part of it is that I enjoy its driving capabilities and interior but from outside it seems just as a normal Passat, Bora or Jetta. :) Mine even does not have any signs or model marks on the rear side and windows are a little bit tinted so from outside it is really everyday boring and older car. Perfect for us introverts who enjoy privacy but enjoy in long comfort driving.

    • @wolfhalupka8992
      @wolfhalupka8992 Год назад

      congratulations- they are really impressive cars and practically hand built in Dresden.

    • @germancars1520
      @germancars1520 4 дня назад

      Depends what you're want to show😂

  • @duncanmartin2626
    @duncanmartin2626 Год назад +28

    I drove a Phaeton W12 back in 2004 when I was delivering company car demonstrators. It was utterly amazing for the time. The 16 way adjustable seats are incredible, the ride is really good, and the whole thing felt like it had twice the solidity of anything I'd been in before. The heating has an ambient setting where the vent covers stay down and it wafts air into the cabin without blowing on the occupants (how uncouth!) and it took me about 150 miles to work that out. The original infotainment was good for the time too - I remember waiting to collect someone and looking up scores on ceefax! Of all the cars I drove in that job, the only competitor in terms of specialness to the Phaeton was an RS6!

  • @r.markclayton4821
    @r.markclayton4821 Год назад +21

    A better comparison might have been the VW Phaeton, Audi A8 and Bentley Flying Spur. Bentley GT body / chassis is quadruple layer or looked it when I saw them being assembled at Crewe. A8 would be my pick apart from the over light steering.

  • @MOSSFEEN
    @MOSSFEEN Год назад +5

    This is like Chalk & Cheese. The Phaeton screams Audi A8 / S8 with touches of Skoda Superb. Amazing to think that the Phaeton was in Production until 2016

  • @sdry1688
    @sdry1688 Год назад +37

    W12 Phaetons are very rare in the UK - 98% of the cars are grey 3.0 diesels - great review again Jack

  • @oohmeconkers1968
    @oohmeconkers1968 Год назад +46

    The Flying Spur would be a more natural comparison Jack to be fair.
    My friends Dad has one, he’s had it for years. When he got it I was shocked how like a VW it was inside. Still got a lot of road presence though. I love the idea of the phaeton though, it was designed with a very specific list of criteria and the engineers struggled to meet them. I think it was Ferdinand Piech that come up with the idea. Unrestricted that can top 200 mph I believe.
    Good vid as always 🎉

    • @igormac88
      @igormac88 Год назад +5

      only two (of ten) Piech's requirements were ever revealed: the Phaeton was required to be capable of maintaining an interior temperature of 22°C (72°F) with the external temperature at 50°C (122°F), while driving at 186 mph, and have torsional rigidity of 37kNm/°.

    • @kevinbarry71
      @kevinbarry71 Год назад +1

      Absolutely, I was going to say the same thing

    • @roderickjones7479
      @roderickjones7479 Год назад

      Me too

    • @bennyhannover9361
      @bennyhannover9361 Год назад +4

      The Phaeton did cost as W12 version in 2000 about 200k Deutschmark which was one year later about 105.000 Euro. When production ended about 2012 a car cost about 140.000 Euro. It is the best German luxury car since the 600 Grosser Mercedes from 1963 no other car compares to it..

    • @manu144x
      @manu144x Год назад

      @@bennyhannover9361 Production ended in 2016

  • @boleslawthegreat
    @boleslawthegreat 11 месяцев назад +1

    Very enjoyable video to watch. To the point, honest and concise. Definitely deserves more likes.

  • @mach1mustangguy992
    @mach1mustangguy992 Год назад +5

    Love the channel! Keep it up paisan!
    I remember when VW sold these things my dad and my friends dad worked for VW at the time. My dad loved it! He actually sold a good few of them and he would take one home ALOT!

  • @markwalton8644
    @markwalton8644 Год назад +5

    Back in 2002, i had the pleasure of meeting Crewes Test engineers on the A5 just next to the EVO Triangle, look it up if you don't know. I was in the Father in Laws Lamborghini Urraco, and two heavily disguised Bentleys and a Phaeton pulled in to the Layby I was in. They were very interested in the Lamborghini as i was intrigued in the Bentleys and Phaeton. I gave one of the Engineers a Ride in the Lamborghini and he took me out in the Phaeton.
    I have to admit it never felt fast until you checked the Speed and a bit Floaty. Since I've always been intrigued by it.
    The Crewe engineers were obviously car enthusiasts, as they had obviously just been testing it on the once wonderful EVO Triangle ( now obliterated by Speed Cameras), and I had a good chat about the Phaeton vs Bentley, they were trying to balance the Bentley between a GT and a Sports car.
    All in it was Quite a Surreal Day which I'll never forget !!

    • @GRfourfun
      @GRfourfun Год назад +1

      Great story, thank you.

  • @johnmac8084
    @johnmac8084 Год назад +1

    Great review Jack, I've always wondered how these compared

  • @wfifa199
    @wfifa199 Год назад +12

    There was a later Phaeton, the Phaeton D2, that was designed but never released. There are pictures of it online and videos on RUclips. It's a real shame it was never produced as its external and internal design really would have provided a competitor to an S class, 7 series and A8. It's interior is particularly nice

    • @iTzNitrOxZ
      @iTzNitrOxZ Год назад +2

      Phaeton d2s were sold on china. Phaeton was a big success there so thats why they got a newer model.

    • @adnan2299
      @adnan2299 Год назад +2

      ​@@iTzNitrOxZ thats not a phaeton d2 actually. Its a car based on the chinese a6 and is called phideon. It should resemble the phaeton but its not a real phaeton

  • @knowntobehonest
    @knowntobehonest Год назад +5

    Always liked the looks of the Bentley but somehow it looks old now. The Pheaton i think has aged better.

  • @shieldaigbencher
    @shieldaigbencher Год назад +8

    I have always loved the Phaeton from day 1. Great car. Just never bought one. Real car people have never been put off by a badge.

    • @TassieLorenzo
      @TassieLorenzo Год назад +2

      Yep. People who rule out a VW Phaeton or Toyota Century, just because it says "VW" or "Toyota" are nuts IMO! Or even a Nissan Cima or Honda Legend in the E class category.

  • @RevLexus
    @RevLexus Год назад +2

    great video, love Robs VW! Interesting now in 2023 that these are probably £10k between them now

  • @michaelbacon561
    @michaelbacon561 Год назад +7

    I certainly agree with your comments about the car's styling, especially its elegance and presence. I also agree with your opinions regarding the interior. It looks great in the video on my phone, but I do remember thinking when I saw one at the motor show that some of the materials looked and felt a bit Golf-ish, especially the dash top. Don't buy one though; I've read horror stories of what can go wrong and that spares are becoming difficult to obtain.

    • @ProfDrMau
      @ProfDrMau Год назад +2

      there is an extended leather package that covers everything in leather. so that will kill the golfisness. There was also the option of a 3.2 v6 petrol MANUEL with cloth seats. Really rare, really pointless version, even worse than a S-Class Buchhalter (Accountant) but a nice way to upgrade your RS4 transmition from sticks to cables.

  • @Rockinbiker1946
    @Rockinbiker1946 Год назад +2

    I'm a VW guy having owned many starting with my first new car in '66, a Beetle. I love the Phaeton but was a little out of my budget when it came out. Today I own an Arteon, which I love.

  • @mariopizzamanmario8563
    @mariopizzamanmario8563 Год назад +4

    I'll be honest, did not think I'd find this interesting - but I did. Good job Jack. Normally I'd go 'meh' at a VW (get me a Jaagggg) but well... you made it worth the time.

  • @thatcheapguy525
    @thatcheapguy525 Год назад +10

    fascinating stuff Jack. I was also one who thought the Phaeton was a fancy Passat until I happened to see the two cars side by side one day. the Phaeton is so understated that you could swap the VW badges for something obscure and few would notice.

  • @eze8970
    @eze8970 Год назад +1

    'If this was done in black it would lift it'...probably the only time that this makes sense! Thanks Jack, good to see the differences of both cars! 🙏🙏

  • @mohammadzein504
    @mohammadzein504 Год назад +11

    The Phaeton has an understated luxury feel to it, slips under the, radar very easily! The GT on the other hand is truly more opulent, and a head turner for sure!
    A very interesting comparison Jack Sir, of two very different cars that share similar underpinnings. ✌👍

  • @reyrob
    @reyrob Год назад +6

    You should have compared it to the Continental Flying Spur

  • @steveburrows1679
    @steveburrows1679 Год назад +3

    Drove the W12 Phaeton when it came out. Simply awesome car for the money at the time. Obviously the W12 version of the Audi A8L sat between them and was deservedly successful.

  • @tarekmirdad
    @tarekmirdad Год назад

    Thank you very for an excellent video

  • @neilcam
    @neilcam Год назад +5

    I really don't think there's any denying that the Phaeton does look like a big Passat, however, I also don't think that's a bad thing at all. The Passat of the time had lovely clean, stylish lines, and the Phaeton has retained that classy clean look.

    • @manuelaguirre1062
      @manuelaguirre1062 11 месяцев назад +1

      It looks good to me except the rear lights. They should have made them a bit more special. Just my 2 cents.

  • @christophernicol4762
    @christophernicol4762 Год назад

    What an interesting idea for a video. Full marks! And on Harry’s ‘better roads’?

  • @CreRay
    @CreRay Год назад +2

    When I wrote my thesis at VW, it was full of Bentleys in the former "D1" buildings that were erected for the Phaeton. I was once asked to follow along to the track in Ehra-Lessien with a Phaeton that had the (turbocharged) Bentley engine in it- and a race seat. I asked to driver to please take it slow as I did not know where the track was. Ofcourse he couldn't control himself and drove at highly illegal speeds. Even though I was following in a Passat W8 I had lots of trouble following him- and headache thinking about my license that I was probably about to lose...
    It was BTW well known (or at least often said) at VW that even the Phaeton W12 can achieve well over 300km/hr unlimited, 307 was the most often cited speed.

    • @YouCallum
      @YouCallum Год назад

      Can you remember what year this was?

    • @CreRay
      @CreRay Год назад

      @@YouCallum 2003

  • @timgosling6189
    @timgosling6189 Год назад +3

    The Phaeton W12 was clearly closer to the Mk1 Flying Spur, built on the same platform at the same factory in Dresden and with which it shared its interior architecture, if not the Bentley finish. It may have been a bit of a softie but the Phaeton is mainly remembered for its off-a-cliff depreciation. In the late noughties a guy who did our chaufering work bought an 18 month-old one for under £30k and thanks to that suspension the back seat was a lovely, quiet, relaxing place to be for the 100 plus miles coming back from Heathrow.

    • @loonytoon8836
      @loonytoon8836 11 месяцев назад +1

      Not entirely true. All Bentleys were produced/assembled at Crewe. However, due to the great success of the Bentleys, they had massive capacity issues. Since this was not the case for the Phaeton, the Flying Spur was also produced in Dresden, but only for a limited time.

  • @dietmarsever9147
    @dietmarsever9147 6 месяцев назад +1

    Der Phaeton ist ein fantastisches Fahrzeug.
    Ich fahre einen Phaeton 2015 seit 5 Jahren und bin noch immer beeindruckt von der Qualität.
    Fahre ihn täglich...
    Und es macht noch immer Spaß wie am ersten Tag

  • @MdvK13979
    @MdvK13979 Год назад +5

    There was a long wheelbase top-end Skoda of about the same age (?), which looks pretty similar to this generation of Phaeton and makes me go 'ugh' every time I see it... I think with the later CC design of the Phaeton VW redeemed themselves somewhat.

  • @Michael-yd5ry
    @Michael-yd5ry Год назад +1

    Such a great channel.I love every upload.Thank you.

  • @felixscamp
    @felixscamp 11 месяцев назад

    Phaeton, my absolute favourite car, fell in love at the first drive when working for a distribution company, for six yrs. when I left I received a leaving gift. A chauffeur driven ride home in one, 7 miles of absolute joy

  • @yorkshire6458
    @yorkshire6458 Год назад +1

    The best example is the Rover 75 V6 which changed to from MG to 190 still the same Motor and happened to others makes aswell

  • @give_me_my_nick_back
    @give_me_my_nick_back Год назад +3

    Top trim phaetons were really impressive. I kinda see it as a German answer to Toyota century. More less the same target buyer.

  • @rolfsvensson5777
    @rolfsvensson5777 Год назад +1

    My two cents for it! You get what you pay for it! Love that Bentley! Cool video!

  • @hassanalihashmi5134
    @hassanalihashmi5134 Год назад +2

    An interesting video would be all the parts that are the same in the VW, Bentley and Audi A8 and prices being charged by each dealership

  • @TheMrFishnDucks
    @TheMrFishnDucks Год назад +1

    Correction not big Passat but chunky or absolute unit Passat. Nice video. Keep up the good work.

  • @hoWa3920
    @hoWa3920 Год назад +1

    It amazes me that a sports car is actually a bit sportier than a luxury sedan.

  • @parkecorepersonaltrainingp2601

    We have a v12 Phanton on one or my walks in Loughbourg very cool looking car aways been a fan 👍 great review

  • @wokeybrokey8006
    @wokeybrokey8006 Год назад +2

    I’ve a golf GTI…..love it

  • @SuperLuckyCat7
    @SuperLuckyCat7 Год назад

    Sir #27; You're Vids improving big time; in the Old days there was the Influenzo, nowadays you're rapidly approaching 'Doug-de-Muro-territory' but far more understated ❣ Way to go 🏆

  • @KennerMarqueti
    @KennerMarqueti Год назад +2

    The Paeton looks awesome, i'd love to have one of those in my garage, honestly i think i prefer it to the Bentley. Bentley's interior is nicer, but i LOVE low profile cars, the fact the Phaeton has a VW badge is actually a plus for me.

    • @wolfhalupka8992
      @wolfhalupka8992 Год назад

      if you're unsure about the W12, go for a V8 or the V6TDI, both of which are much more easier to work on.

    • @KennerMarqueti
      @KennerMarqueti Год назад

      @@wolfhalupka8992 unfortunately, neither is viable to me. Where I live corollas are premium sedans that maybe the top 5% can afford brand new.

  • @Kingsleyjamesflint
    @Kingsleyjamesflint Год назад +7

    The Phaeton is a wonderful car. We have a V8, rapidly becoming a classic, built like a tank. 15 years on still like a new car

    • @pi1posh
      @pi1posh Год назад +3

      Agree. I own also. W221 and W222, which I drive daily, are far down from Phaeton feeling. That's why it's very interesting to read comments about Passat-ish and Golf-ish materials from people, who never had this car)

    • @Swiss4.2
      @Swiss4.2 5 месяцев назад

      @@pi1posh I think its the way the materials are textured that make people think its just like a Passat or Golf inside. They do look similar you have to admit, but in terms of quality of course they're worlds apart.

  • @hamlinsondra
    @hamlinsondra 8 месяцев назад

    You ever run into Harry out there. Same roads, same bends. Must be well-known for no traffic cops. I enjoy your shows!

  • @peterblumbach6600
    @peterblumbach6600 Год назад +11

    The Phaeton looked a bit like the Passat. That was not a mistake but on purpose. It upgraded the Passat and lifted it into a higher market. That was the main purpose of the Phaeton. Ferdinand Piëch upgraded the image of VW just like he did before with Audi in the 80s. He built a special "gläsene Manufaktur" in Dresden where the Pheaeton was handbuilt. They even created special cargo-trams to transport the bodyshells from a storage place into the Dresden factory. All of that was a big promotion trick.

    • @andrewnorris5415
      @andrewnorris5415 Год назад +3

      Must say, for me, I cannot see how the two gel in my mind. I see them as completely different cars underneath and quite different in cost. I see the image of the Phaeton as expensive to maintain - and I would hope that would not rub off on the Passat. This is just my personal view and how what they did on purpose as you said, did not work for me.

    • @HolgerKuhrts
      @HolgerKuhrts Год назад +1

      Piech did it even before with the Porsche 917, but the best gamble he took was for gaining the control of VW, masterpiece !

    • @TassieLorenzo
      @TassieLorenzo Год назад

      @@andrewnorris5415 Fair points. Don't forget the Passat at the time was on the Audi A4 platform, and carried the W8 engine as a test bed for Phaeton (VW Passat W8 4Motion B5/B5.5). Later four-cylinder transverse Passats are by comparison, more like mere oversized VW Jettas.

    • @catrachocolo
      @catrachocolo Год назад +2

      The shells were never carried by the trams - too wide. The trams supplied the non-JIT/JIS parts.

    • @peterblumbach6600
      @peterblumbach6600 Год назад +1

      @@catrachocolo You are absolutely right. They carried parts in boxes. The shells came via lorry. But still a huge effort.

  • @Mike-rk8px
    @Mike-rk8px Год назад +1

    Here in the US the Phaeton never caught on, they were $120,000 new and VW stopped selling them here in 2006. They usually sell for around $12,000 now, and in the $30,000 range for a low mileage, perfect one.

    • @oldguy2082
      @oldguy2082 Год назад +2

      I worked in VW dealerships service departments for much of 40+ years in service, fortunately at the time the dealership I was at opted to NOT take part in the option to sell the vehicles new.
      Inspite of the fact we NOT an authorized service point, one got towed to us under warranty.
      It was a nightmare to service, the "special parts and service hot line" were no help and we had to figure it out on our own. We did get repaired though.
      It was at the time, comparable to an upper line "S" class Mercedes in build quality and features. It would be a great used car buy, if spares weren't so difficult to obtain.
      VW of the US would rather forget this vehicle as support today is virtually nill. Most dealers in my area really don't want to work on these especially if it's got an electrical issue; all they want to do is basic maintenance. BTW, trim for these vehicles is next to impossible to obtain and ultra expensive if the party that has it knows this fact.
      Personally, I thought they were neat vehicles and not so bad with the easier and cheaper to maintain v8 engine.

  • @jazzfan6
    @jazzfan6 Месяц назад

    You should have looked in the trunks. As I understand it, both cars share a wonderfully complex and over-engineered hinge mechanism for the trunk lids.

  • @cristiancristi9384
    @cristiancristi9384 Год назад +5

    I remember the first time I saw a Phaeton just months after its official lounch in a car exhibit.... It was in full spec with white soft leather and black wood all over inside .... Side by side, the S-Class also new , seemed to be "cheap" .... Especially in the interior which seemed a lot more opulent and classy in the Phaeton
    Only the Maybach seemed at the moment as a real competitor that could surpass it...
    The thing is, the same S class which was built in big numbers, now we can mostly find in scrapyards because of poor quality and rust.... While Phaetons, which were then far less in number, are now still going on and far more likely to see on the streets... Proof of top quality and durability from Mr. Piech' s perfectionism...
    Hats on to him 😁

  • @keyboarddancers7751
    @keyboarddancers7751 Год назад

    When I'm bowling along the m-way in my big heated leather seats at 80 mph in my tdi 170 Passat (circa 45 mpg) with the stereo at high volume and air conditioning keeping things cool, I squint a little and it feels just like a Phaeton.

  • @212MPH
    @212MPH Год назад +1

    Wasn't the W12 engine first used in the Touareg ? And the interior of the Phaeton is also mostly Touareg.

  • @siraff4461
    @siraff4461 11 месяцев назад +1

    It would be interesting to see how a flying spur would compare. I wonder if its more like the GT or Phaeton in character?

  • @skeligun
    @skeligun Год назад +3

    I must say, I think I'd rather have the Phaeton. The fact you get so much for much less in price, while also being a bit under the radar so to speak with it's luxury is quite appealing. For having over 200k on the odometer as well, what a great example it was. Having driven neither mind you, might change my opinion after getting behind the wheel.
    Thanks for another lovely episode, always look forward to and get excited when an number 27 video pops up in the sub feed!

  • @aftastosk6016
    @aftastosk6016 Год назад +1

    For me that I 've never driven either of the Phaeton or the Bentley, the Phaeton is by far the more interesting and steals the show....possibly the best VW ever (and I am not into VWs or luxury cars at all)

  • @CarPediaShow
    @CarPediaShow 10 месяцев назад

    I wonder if the continental flying spur would ride and drive more like the phaeton since thats a 4 door? I always thought the conti gt 2 door had a much stiffer suspension set up then the flying spur 4 door. You should do a test of the 4 door bentley and phaeton if possible.

  • @CherylCold
    @CherylCold Год назад +1

    Remember seeing a Phaeton in a motorshow when it was launched. Really liked the interior and its overall presence. The badge was a big deal back then though, and I guess most would have gone for an A8 which was also a difficult sale, the previous 200's and 'V8' struggled for the executive market. Plenty of Phaetons kicking around in Romania, they love VW's. Bork factor is a big issue with resale values taken into account. Much better looking than the E65 BMW, but... the Mercedes W221 imo was a game changer and still today I think they look great and are a brilliant used buy.

    • @TassieLorenzo
      @TassieLorenzo Год назад +1

      Could you explain "bork factor" to a puzzled Australian? 🙂

    • @CherylCold
      @CherylCold Год назад +1

      @@TassieLorenzo Yeah, it's a slang word for 'when it breaks and the high costs to repair'. It was used a lot on Pistonheads back in the day.

  • @huwmay6094
    @huwmay6094 Год назад

    Which one is cheaper to maintain?

  • @fredmacdonald9339
    @fredmacdonald9339 Год назад +1

    what it comes down to is which one collects the crumpet that you prefer

  • @stevenjoy3537
    @stevenjoy3537 Год назад

    Reminds me of about 10 years earlier and a lower price point, the Ford Scorpio Ultima Cosworth 24V
    Both very good but in a position not needed leading to huge depreciation

  • @vittoriostoraro
    @vittoriostoraro Год назад

    Another great segment Jack.
    Any V12 makes me nostalgic for the occasional sightings of Jaguar XJ12’s when I was a kid in NY. Honestly, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Phaeton live. Plenty of Bentleys though.

  • @michaelisaacson9735
    @michaelisaacson9735 Год назад

    In the states, the Bentley sold well from day one. I see them often. The Phaeton's downfall was not the badge as much as it simply looks like a Passat but 12 feet closer. And the Passat was pretty dull when that version appeared.

  • @jackdripper5675
    @jackdripper5675 Год назад +1

    VW managed to make the wood veneer in the Phaeton look like plastic. Yuk. Maybe a darker stain option would be better.

  • @organiccold
    @organiccold Год назад

    Also the Phateon uses a lot of A8 stuff, body, suspension, etc

  • @pdsnpsnldlqnop3330
    @pdsnpsnldlqnop3330 Год назад +1

    I want one with PASSAT 2.0 badges on it. Maybe de-chromed a bit. Nobody is a 'Passat expert' so it would be a good sleeper.

  • @stiannobelisto573
    @stiannobelisto573 8 месяцев назад

    Phaeton is like the peak of car design and technology, it's perfection

  • @adambordas5024
    @adambordas5024 Год назад

    7:28 “SLOW” is painted on the pavement but it applies to the other direction only. 😅

  • @stephenoverstreet9898
    @stephenoverstreet9898 Год назад +1

    You think the Phaeton vs. the Flying Spur would be a worthy video and comparison? They are even closer of course, but I’m curious if the suspension changes on the GT translate over to the FS. If that’s the case, the FS might be quite a bit firmer than the Phaeton. That would make the FS a bit out of its intended use case.

    • @simontracyforster6835
      @simontracyforster6835 Год назад

      The Spur had a different suspension tune to the GT.

    • @loonytoon8836
      @loonytoon8836 11 месяцев назад

      Phaeton is softer than Flying Spur. For long distance travel better car is Phaeton with standad 17” wheels. Looks uggly but rides like a flying carpet. I`ve done thousands over thousands of miles in all of these variants of VW611, BY614, BY611 and BY615.

  • @user-vy5kl8oo4k
    @user-vy5kl8oo4k Год назад

    Enjoyed it but a better comparison would be a sedan vs a sedan

  • @backupintheday9710
    @backupintheday9710 Год назад

    Any difference in power could be purely down to the engine mapping. I suspect it is as well because VAG produce both cars.

    • @samwiseknows
      @samwiseknows Год назад +2

      And the two turbo's in the Bentley?

  • @mark8544
    @mark8544 Год назад +1

    …..how to sum it up, do the London junction test 😂

  • @MarcosCodas
    @MarcosCodas Год назад

    The Phaeton is one of my dream cars.

  • @BUEAU
    @BUEAU Год назад

    Loved the Phaeton... Smart Exec's lux sedan/saloon.

  • @domtoni4567
    @domtoni4567 Год назад

    Giac, I could see back in the Mondeo days that with BMW, Mercedes, and Audi that sold vehicles for a bit more than Ford and Vauxhall, that the company car guy would opt for the luxurious brand rather than a better equipped Ford or Vauxhall. And you can see the fall off of both companies in their larger car segments.

  • @fotoralf
    @fotoralf Год назад +1

    Methinks in order to really compare them one would have had to overhaul or rebuild the entre suspension iof the Phaeton. I gather much of the 'softness'and a certain lack of steering precision might have to do with aging components in the suspension.
    As for the interior, the Phaeton might be a bit spartan with all the plastics but, on the other hand, I find the Bentley's interior really overdone with all the chromed bling-bling.

  • @TheMan-xp4cb
    @TheMan-xp4cb Год назад

    You dont think the front light looked quite righ ???

  • @joekavac5859
    @joekavac5859 Год назад

    As somebody who doesn't give a shit about sports handling, and generally anything sporty in cars, Phaeton looks like a clear winner for me, if you're buying a land yacht with over 5 meters in length, it should be all about comfort and isolation.

  • @alastairward2774
    @alastairward2774 Год назад

    Yes.
    Always good fun to ask a VAG car owner why they have a car that's just the same as another model down range underneath.
    Nice Audi, sorry I meant Passat.

  • @hoWa3920
    @hoWa3920 Год назад +1

    The Phaeton is one of the best cars ever in terms of value for money.

  • @Chazaxl
    @Chazaxl Год назад +1

    I paid £3K for my 58 plate Phaeton about 2 months ago. It's got some niggles but what a car for killing the miles.

  • @dopplerfox
    @dopplerfox Год назад

    The roads you drove round here look 𝘦𝘹𝘵𝘳𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘺 similar to the ones Harry Metcalfe drives around on Harry's Garage!

  • @thomash2806
    @thomash2806 Год назад

    I’d rather have the discretion of the VW any day but with a V8 soundtrack; it’s about what you know not about how it looks. I love the lighter grey especially with all that wood trim. Gives it a Japanese feel I think.

  • @dallisb1047
    @dallisb1047 Год назад

    Put the Bentley twin turbo engine and transmission in the Phaeton. That would be fun!

  • @wadimek116
    @wadimek116 2 месяца назад

    Honestly it seems like not big difference but its big. Same with phaeton and a8, more lightweight and better mpg allows to use bigger engine more freely, also a8 d3 got new w12 and phaeton got older one from d2 audi

  • @johnireland1629
    @johnireland1629 Год назад

    Good to see you in the Bentley again. The car seems to grow on you, or are you growing into it?

  • @Chazaxl
    @Chazaxl Год назад

    And just seen that there is going to be a new Phaeton, interesting times.

  • @ryanmccormick2150
    @ryanmccormick2150 Год назад +4

    I think phaeton is worth a punt at it's current prices but at it's original £70k ..... Well I think you'd be about as mentally sound as Vladimir Putin to drop that sort of money on a high end Taxi!!
    Cracking stuff as always Jack buddy 👍

    • @andrewnorris5415
      @andrewnorris5415 Год назад +4

      Or as mentally unfit as Biden or Harris to not to buy a second hand Lexus instead. Agreed, great vid 👍

  • @1greenMitsi
    @1greenMitsi Год назад +3

    I think id go with the phaeton, even if i was a millionaire 🤑

  • @iconicetiquette4546
    @iconicetiquette4546 Год назад

    Vw very understated, i do like the Bentley 😊

  • @SoniumSun
    @SoniumSun Год назад +1

    Had a GP3 Phaeton from 2011 to 2014. It was the best car I have ever had. But it sucks every penny out of your pocket

  • @zorilaz
    @zorilaz Год назад

    I would love to have a Phaeton

  • @gazzafloss
    @gazzafloss Год назад +1

    Yeh Jack, even if the driving experience was exactly the same, (and it's not), the Bentley coupe' looks 110% better than a "tarted up" VW Passat. Even though they're related it's two completely different things.

  • @k9killer221
    @k9killer221 Год назад +1

    "Value" is a strange thing. I can show you several over-the-counter watches which cost more than the Bentley. And its not because they are made of diamonds. So what is better value, an uber wagen which can transport 5 people or just a watch? Cars are actually really good use value compared to a lot of "fashion" items, and of course a car can be a fashion item too.

  • @markbennett6658
    @markbennett6658 Год назад +1

    The interior of the Phaeton looked more luxurious than I expected but it’s a pretty dull car overall. It’d have to be the Bentley considering early ones are very affordable…after all you made that choice Jack👍

    • @onkarfreshie3127
      @onkarfreshie3127 Год назад +1

      The Phaeton is for the introverts who get all the luxury & can park it anywhere.
      I had the W12 Spur for over 3 years & now have a Phaeton 3lt TDI.
      Owning cost of Spur was eye watering,
      Now it Champagne motoring for Lemonade money.
      VW learned from the Phaeton that people are badge happy, so now they change the trim, shell, badge &
      CHARGE people triple the price, win win for VW.
      Toureg=Bentayga=
      Q7=Cayenne=Urus.

  • @mattbettany1174
    @mattbettany1174 Год назад

    Had to do a double take . I noticed the tyres had Giugiaro on them . 🇮🇹

  • @benmarshall787
    @benmarshall787 Год назад +3

    Great comparison Jack, the V10 dirty diesel would have been my choice of Phaeton. Mr Piech demanded top quality of the VW and I think his requirements were similar to the Bentley Saloon ,which to all intent and purpose must have an awful lot of Phaeton in it. I think the car looks sharp , perhaps to satisfy the VW fans you should have compared it with the super rare Passat W8, itself a "mini Phaeton" as the Phaeton is a "mini Bentley". Nice interior I thought. Best wishes. Ben🙏🚐🚌🇬🇧🇺🇦

  • @cristianocastagno9680
    @cristianocastagno9680 Год назад +1

    It’s all rather relative...right ?

  • @Classic_Re-creation
    @Classic_Re-creation Год назад

    I don't think you can even say that they are built on the same platform, or that they are the same car underneath. 100bhp difference, shorter wheel base, 150kg lighter with bigger wheels. They are totally different like night and day.

  • @Tacko14
    @Tacko14 Год назад +2

    Oww, ouch. Grey plastic. That’s the ultimate curse in a luxury product. I don’t accept plastic anywhere upmarket, and certainly not in grey. Nor would I accept grey leather seats. Just no. If I pay extra, it’s to enjoy life, not to get depressed.

    • @breathoffreshair7314
      @breathoffreshair7314 Год назад +1

      i mean if you're really about high end then paying for someone to retrim an interior is something you wouldnt bat an eyelid at.
      You think those Princes from dubai have a standard interior ever?

    • @TassieLorenzo
      @TassieLorenzo Год назад

      It's a VW not a Maserati. Reserved is the style. :)
      I love a red or tan Alfa Romeo interior myself, but Alfa have dropped both of those options on the Giulia sadly, leaving only black leather available to slimline inventory.

    • @pj9375
      @pj9375 Год назад

      I love grey leather. I have this in my maybach

  • @phaetonprofile
    @phaetonprofile Год назад

    Cheers! Thanks for the video! Really nice! On our channel we also have comparing video but Phaeton and Flying Spur, to everybody who interesting in - welcome!