Saturn Saroo Flashcart | Is it good?
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- Опубликовано: 12 фев 2024
- The Saroo is a drive emulation device that uses the expansion cart slot on the top of the machine.
But is this cheaper alternative any good, and does it have any down sides?
Lets find out.
I believe this is the official store; www.aliexpress.com/item/10050...
If I'm wrong or the link breaks please let me know.
#sega #saturn #saroo 
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Fun Fact: Saturn Saroo still exist to this day. The mascot on the cartridge appears in the game SuperDimension Neptune vs Sega Hard Girls. That's how I managed to recognize her.
I had no idea the character from the sticker was in a game, I'll have to check it out.
actually that was a collab game but they came from another company collab with sega and has a light novel and an anime
She also has an anime lol, it's awesome
The character is depicted on some versions of the Saroo, but her name is just SEGA Saturn, as she is the personification of the console itself.
That's pretty cool you can run that cart without doing anything to change the console itself. Myself I just soft mod my Saturn with a cart and play discs still but I can see this being a great way to preserve the disc drive in the long run
I was using a pusdo Saturn Kai cart before to play discs, and it worked fine.
but I do like a nice all in one solution.
I have an acrual physical CD mod, but the CD it's quite fussy with copied games. So it's not that great.
I have a Pseudo Saturn Kai & it’s served me pretty well as a solution but being able to run games from SD card would be worth moving to Saroo. My Saturn’s CD drive isn’t getting any younger after all.
Thank you for this, it’s very informative.
happy its been useful, I do worry about the lasers in some of these consoles so its nice to be able to by pass it.
more so when you need to get good quality blank media (I've gotten some blank cd's that you could see through).
The sega hard girls show was actually awesome :D
Brilliant, I've been waiting for this. Does look great, I think I'll go for one!
Cool, its been very nice to mess around with.
even with the issues with some games.
@@GouldFishOnGames By any chance can you test out this game:
Ultraman: Legendary Giant of Light (ウルトラマン 光の巨人伝説, Urutoraman: Hikari no Kyojin Densetsu)
That one came with its own RAM cart
I could never get it to work as a burned CD even using that Kai cartridge.
Glad seeing what you tested it with first! Looking forward to that CK2 review!
This is on the same level as the Neo Geo CD SD Loader in my book.
Anything that leaves the disc drive usable is great, in my opinion.
@lain328 Exactly! That's why I haven't added a ODE on my Dreamcast yet, as there is no ODE option that preserve the drive at the moment
The drive/laser is just a generic JVC Optima 6 unit, theyre extremely easy to swap out and very inexpensive to acquire.
@@Pyke_ there is always the ide/cf mod and dreamshell, compatibility great but isn't 100% though you can keep the disc drive intact.
@@wolffangalchemist last time I checked the dreamshell compatibility was not good, don't know if this changed in the last months
@@Pyke_ a lot of the compatabiluty list are pretty outdated, i know i looked a year back or so and the ones i found said shenume 2 didn't boot. But with the latest dreamshell at the time it worked fine. If i can find the one i had that was pretty complete i'll post it.
Not seen your Chanel before it was recommended to me. Well after watching you video i ended up ordering one !
That's a really interesting cartridge. Its the sort of thing that would really encourage me to get a Saturn. As I did not fancy having to fix a knackered cd-drive, or add boards to emulate the cd-drives etc, as I don't have the time needed to get round to doing that with console stuff. So it would just end up in my when I get time pile, and it would never make it to the top.
the never ending backlog, it just grows each time you get a new machine and then again when you get a flash cart 😂
Very informative video, thanks. With regards what you said about MSH vs SF, I remember trying to play it on my first Saturn, back in late 90s, and I'm pretty sure it's audio skipping was due to it being run on a 50hz (,PAL) machine, so had to do the 50hz/60hz switch mod, its one of the few games that was never optimised for the 50hz machines
I just bought a Sega Saturn so this video is perfect timing for me. Thank you so much. Games for the system are super hard to find
Either hard to find or way too expensive.
Great video. Ive been interested in this project as s cheaper option to the Satiator. May be worth taking the plunge soon.
Thank you so much for the info. I have one coming in and this was great.
This is way past cool I should buy one hopefully it’s not too expensive here in the us gotta check it out after work!
If i didnt have i fenrir i would get this. Keeping the disc drive is great. Theres something about the tactile ease of just grabbing a disc hitting power and grabbing the controller
I've got a grey JP Saturn I kept original and use the 4 in 1 pseudo Kai on and a white one I put a Fenrir in (which actually does support pseudo Kai now, so can use that on top). Between the 2, I might have to grab this and keep it in my grey one and then I'll have 2 total set ups. I use the serial port for some stuff and CDs for other games on my Dreamcast - depends if it's homebrew or not mainly
The only issue I have for this is the notoriously iffy Saturn cartridge slot. Still nice and cheap !
Yeah, I think I hit issues with the slot, as a few times it just wouldn't boot the cart.
This video answered my questions. Ive been using real discs, burned discs w psudo saturn, and mister to play.
The Fenrir, Saroo, Satiator and Kai that’s keeping the Saturn alive. I have a white Japanese Saturn with the Fenrir in it and it’s awesome (I also purchased the Action reply plus) and it rocks. I’m planning on getting a Dreamcast with the Fenrir in it down the road.
Very interesting. I've got a Fenrir Duo currently but I would quite like to put my optical drive back in if possible. Swapping games between my PAL and Japanese Saturns easily would be really handy. I might invest. Compatibility is a bit of a worry though.
If you already have a Fenir I could see this being a side step at best as you gain some extra features.
but you loose the higher compatibility.
it might come in the future, but its behind right now.
Great video! I didn't know this existed I might have to get one!
Saturn ports when 😉
@@GouldFishOnGamesFunny you should say that... I might eventually!
This definitely has me interested, wish wills console mods were still making the switcher devices for saturn for fenrir and cd to both be used, but alas
That's quality that is... what an improvement in loading time!
yeah it really does make a difference, but its also why some games have issues.
so a bit of a double edged sword at the moment.
Great video I need to get this and buy Sega Saturn console I love playing on original hardware thanks for sharing 👍
yeah I love playing on original hardware where possible.
and carts and add-ons like these really help with that.
The Saturn might be my fave system. I’m lucky I had one in the 90s and bar panzer dragoon saga I did get at the time the games that these days are daft money. I do have a Satatior and would highly recommend it despite its high price. This sounds decent alternative tho.
This cart is a must-have!
Definitely more appealing than an ODE, though the lack of a centralized place to purchase the item from always makes me super nervous.
Yeah, if there was authorized stores it would help.
or even a link from the github to the creators own store it would help.
Norimaro is a character that Capcom commissioned a Japanese comedian (Noritake Kinashi) to design and create for a TV show.
Sounds cool!
Thank you so much for posting about this. Been on the fence about upgrading my early Gen Saturn using a Fenrir. This is a way easier and straightforward option.
Wouldn't call it an emulation option though, since it's running real hardware. Roms or not.
It is much easier then trying to fit a Fenrir, but compatibility does suffer.
but that is improving with each release.
any reference to emulation in this instance is to the drive, typically these are called "ODE".
Optical drive emulators.
This is more relevant to the Saroo as it actually uses its own drive software, which is why its faster then the other options.
@@GouldFishOnGames but that's only emulating the drive itself, not the entire console. It does this to trick the console into the thinking it's reading off a legitament laser.
Very cool. The Saturn is so great just expensive. This looks like a solution 🎉 🦎🦎🦎🦎
I got a fenrir with pseudo saturn cart 1/4mb version on Jp model saturn. Everything works like normal. I have my other saturn stock. Very nice device this is without modding.
The fenrir looks like a great solution, was planning on getting one before I spotted this.
and with its better level of compatibility its still worth it.
Sweet. My Saturn CD drive finally went out and don't feel like messing with it. This seems like a good option.
Personally mines about dead. I have one of those pseudo Saturn 4-1 carts, I wonder if they're the same thing with minor additions, I'd like to see if I could mod mine instead of buying a new cart
I just got a Sega Saturn. I think this will ultimately be added to my setup. I think with the original Saroo creator making updates again this could potentially be the best solution for the Saturn. The satiator looks nice but I have kids so $250 for an accessory for a 30 year old console is not in my budget. I have an all in one cart on the way so, burning games will be it for now.
I will probably stick with the Saturn all in one cart for now. But that Saroo looks quite promising!
This is great. I run a pseudo kai now but it does still run cd's. So that laser will only last so long.
I just bought one a couple of days ago, also the kkdiy version
Do you know if there's a maximum size of SD card it can take?
The 1tb cards are falling in price now and with one of those, you could stick the entire Saturn's library on it!
I've heard some people have gotten 256gb cards to work, but even there are issues and not all of them work.
I have a couple Fenrir odes. Its been near perfect for me, and its widely supported with a dedicated Discord channel. Only games I ran into that had issues with it so far are games that have issues with other ODE setups also, like the Time Gal/Road Avenger release. Also, just to mention, Fenrir can back up and restore a systems internal game saves. Due to that, you do have some limited memory card type of function, similar to the PAR.
The Fenrir is a very good system, I was looking at it for a while.
and cool that it supports backing up and restoring the system saves, hadn't heard about that before.
@@GouldFishOnGamesit's also now pseudo Kai compatible so yeah, problem solved there for 1 and 4 mg carts
Have you tried the SDLoader which hooks up via the second player controller port on the Sega Saturn?
I'd seen those but not tried them.
Just got mine with the 64 gb sd and it’s awesome! Is there a way to go back to the game select screen from in game or do you have to reset the system every time?
I've read that in the newer firmware holding A+B+C+Start should do a reset back to the menu.
but I've not tested it my self.
I bought a Satiator in mid-2021 and I'm still lacking a good solution for saves and RAM expansions. Sounds like the SAROO takes care of that while also acting as an ODE at a fraction of the price. I feel a tad silly now.
Don't feel silly, in 2021 the Saroo wasn't anywhere near as polished as it is now.
and the Satiator still has better compatibility with games.
I was aiming at getting a Pseudo Saturn Kai cart until this appeared in my feeds. Maybe I may consider getting this.
Is there a way to get to the Saroo menu while in game?
This is good if it works well because the Saturn has been getting various English fan translations which would make them easier to play on Saturn hardware via this method rather than burning discs that don't always run smooth.
Sone of these translations that have come out are:
Bulk Slash (which also got an English fan dub translation which is helpful because the face gives you navigation commands normally in Japanese audio)
Drift King Shutokou Battle '97: Tsuchiya Keiichi & Bandou Masaaki
Sakura Wars
Tactics Ogre
Grandia
Shining Force III (all three scenario discs)
Stellar Assault SS
Gungriffon 2
Baroque
Fire Pro Gaiden Blazing Tornado
Mobile Suit Gundam (they even added subtitles to the anime cutscenes).
Dungeon Master Nexus
Shippuu Mahou Daisakusen: Kingdom-Grandprix
Silhouette Magic
Asuka 120% Limit Over (actual original developers made this hack patch)
Zanma Chou Ougi: Valhollian
Shoujo Kakumei Utena: Itsuka Kakumei Sareru Monogatari
Policenauts
DragonForce II
Linkle Liver Story
Vampire Saviour the Lord of Vampire
Cotton 2
Yumimi Mix Remix
Ninpen Manmaru
Vandal Hearts
Falcon Classics
Fire Pro Wrestling S: 6 Men Scramble
Akumajou Dracula X: Gekka no Yasoukyoku (PS1 Script) (Castlevania Symphony of the Night) and PSP script hack Version (Dracula X: Nocturne in the Moonlight Ultimate)
Excellent video, just the kind of explanation and experience that I want to find for something like Saroo
I bought from aliexpress last month 3 everdrives and 1 ode for Sega Dreamcast, i will buy the Saroo but I want to play Panzer Dragoon Saga, did you have any issues with playing multi disc games up to this day?
Thanks in advance
Thank, for watching and enjoying the video.
I didn't get a chance to fully experiment with multi disc games, but from what I've read most seem to save before you need to switch the disc. and then loads that when you use the next one.
But I can't fully confirm this.
turns out there is a new firmware that came out yesterday and this was in the release notes:
Supports the function of changing disks in the game. The directory names of multiple games are required to differ by only one number.
Assume that the game xxxxx has two disks and the directory name is
[xxxxxxxDisc 1xx]
[xxxxxxxDisc 2xx]
Make sure that the two directories differ by only one number.
Write the following content in saroocfg.txt:
[Game-ID]
multi_disc = "Disc"
In this way, Firm can know the name of the next disk based on the current Disc.
When the game displays the prompt to change the disk, press the SD card to let it pop out, and then press the SD card again to complete the disk replacement.
Maybe already ask, but did you notice faster loading time respect cd?
Do you have the Saturn mpeg card? Can you check if Lunar complete works?
I don't have an mpeg card
Even if not 100% compatible, it is a very good bargain for less than 70£.
I have a European saturn with fenrir and the same memory expansion card as you and it works like a charm, but if I can get my hands on a japanese one, I'll take a Saroo without question
Any news on the new firmware update?
as an American, watching NiGHTS gameplay at 50hz legit gives me vertigo
Sega were really good at PAL optimising their games, so while Nights runs at a slightly lower frame rate, it runs at the correct speed and is slightly higher resolution than the NTSC versions.
9:43
The sound is a well known issue when running MSH vs SF on a PAL Saturn at 50hz, nothing to do with the Saroo. Burn a copy to CD and boot it with pseudo Saturn Kai, the same thing will happen. 99% of NTSC Saturn games will just run slower and letterboxed when you force them to run in PAL 50z, but there are a handful that have issues.
Ish how do you overcome this problem, MSHvSF ain't working properly with with scudo saturn kai on black UK saturn.
@@rzh3369 60hz mod is the only solution. The mod is worth it just for this game tho, but there's a lot of fun to be had with a modded system, the japanese library's got some of the best games ever released on any 32bit machine. I'd mod it just for OutRun's awesome Saturn port.
I have a rhea, satiator and now the saroo. Saroo is the best solution for many reasons but there is 2 major flaws: compatibility ( I have some obscure Japanese games which doesn’t even boot) and last but not least: how can I play online now ? 😂
Looks like a joke but I really play sometimes online and you need the modem connected.
Anyone having saving issues? When i boot a game it acts like i dont have any save data
I've not noticed any issues my self.
the github page would be the best place to ask . github.com/tpunix/SAROO/issues
i am seriously considering the saroo as a option as i don't want to spend a bunch of money on a ode, if it's close to as good as the ide/cf mod for the dreamcast is i will probably go that route, might build it my self.
Would be interesting in trying to build it, not sure how good the docs are on flashing and building.
I have a 60hz modded PAL model 1 and MSH vs SF works great. Always power cycle the machine when changing games to avoid problems with sound stuttering and other issues.
It made no difference in power cycling or resetting, that results I showed for MSH Vs SF were consistent for my 50hz PAL machine.
but worked great on the JP.
@@GouldFishOnGamesMSH Vs SF will not run in 50hz well at all. Back in the 90s I imported the game and I thought the disc was broken. I sent it back and the replacement was the same. Years later I found out that certain games will not work at 50. Strangely tho Xmen Vs SF is fine.
Well, I'm sold as long as it keeps getting updated. So where should I generally look when buying this thing? I know we can't post links, but at least which online stores should I be searching?
I've updated the store link a few times, but something about Aliexpress that keeps breaking them.
If you search for Saroo on Aliexpress, and look for one being sold by "Retro Game Paradise Store" then that should be from the creator.
I got mine from KKDiy and its been fine, but others have reported issues.
@@GouldFishOnGames I've also gotten conflicting reports about it's update regularity. I'm going to wait a little bit and see if those updates do continue. But I do like the idea of enhanced loading speeds where they work.
Note: The "Pal Machine" is just normally restricted to 50hz. It is fully capable of running games at 60hz and can even be modified to run Pal or NTSC games at 60hz with it's stock hardware. Consider the machine to be a 21 pin NTSC Saturn with an odd region restriction that can be worked around.
I was looking at modding the Saturn, (I've modded my MegaDrive 1 to be multi region).
But I really liked the look of the grey Japanese machine so decided to go down that route.
I'm using the same RGB scart cable with both and it works great.
@@GouldFishOnGames it’s better to use the Japanese machine. The PAL Saturn can be modded for 60hz but the timings can be off for some games.
This may actually make me finally buy a Saturn. Do you know if it's compatible with Dragon Force and the Shining Force III games?
I've not tested those games my self, but there is some one who has done tests and published the results on RUclips.
ruclips.net/video/VgehcpWAFEI/видео.html
Can you still play Genesis games on it?
Great video. But there is one mistake. With Fenrir you can back up your internal saves on the SD card. Sadly Ali Express doesn't deliver the saroo to Germany. I'm happy with my Fenrir but for curiosity I would like to try the saroo.
Some one else mentioned that, I had no idea it had that feature but its cool.
Hi does any one know how to swap discs on multi disc games
Is the cartridge edge bevelled?
mind isn't, but it never felt difficult to insert the cart.
if anything the slot on both my PAL and JP machines felt too easy to insert.
Link to shop down .
Why is there so little reviews for these at the moment
I've updated that link a few times already, I have no idea why Aliexpress messes with them all the time.
I get the feeling that because its mostly a github page and you have to buy them from aliexpress, people aren't willing the take the risk
I ordered one, when it arrives in the mail im gonna say "Saroo, how do you doo?"
So what if you had a non-Japanese system, does it do the Japanese ISOs?
It will play a good number of Japanese games, but if its a 50hz system then it will run them slower.
Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter and Metal Slug were both Japanese games that I ran on the none Japanese system.
I got a rhea and my old disc drive is sitting in a box
So this is basically a cheaper Satiator alternative? The Satiator hype probably triggered these guys to start development again. It might be worth looking at this again after ~2 year if they continue development.
I already bought a Mode in 21.
I have de last version and no games run but we can see them on the saroo menu....
I've not run into that problem, so can't really help with trouble shooting.
I think it just reads the folder name, so its possible the bin/cue files are bad?
@@GouldFishOnGames maybe ! you have a website for donwload true bin cue games? thx
im replacing all my optical drives with ODEs. im on my 3rd ps1 and i had enough buying them all over. only my dreamcast, ps1 and xbox360 to go.
Does it still play burned CDs? If it did it would fully replace the Pseudo Saturn.
It has an option to play a CD, but when I tried it with a burned one it didn't work.
it was from another region so that might have been the problem.
or its only there to let you run original media.
I just went with the Satiator. One gets what one pays for.
MSH v Streetfighter glitches at 50Hz - one of the few games that does.
Yeah, its something I learned after the video.
I'd never played the Saturn version before so had no idea.
Can you do me a square and pretty please do a deep dive into what if any emulator devices can take on, play and actually work perfectly with *"Mr Bones"* ? I have the original, a saturn & what not but would love a way other then running my original disc as i fear the tread warranty on saturn games wears down and they love to abuse & cut themselves (scratches) which i think is the drive + laser engine misfiring for 0 reason);
Btw I'm your 260'th Sub'bub'Scriber😊
I've not tested it my self, but some one has been going though a lot the games for the system and building a compatibility list.
ruclips.net/video/F8FgqWW7_Gk/видео.html
Finally, a cheap and available (I hope) solution to play
Saturn ganes discless. I ain't paying 400 euros for a satiator, and the other options are always out of stock.
Yeah, the price of the Satiator held it back for me, and I was interesting in a solution that didn't remove the drive.
so this has been a great option.
wish i got one a year ago when they were like 15 bucks even though i don't have a saturn lol
I wonder if Krikzz will do something like this.
It would be good to get more groups looking into this approach, as I think it would help everyone.
no Taromarou gameplay!!? if you don't know the most expensive sSaturn game is an absolute breakthrough: shinrei Jusatsushi Taromarou (It's ntsca and Japanese only but completely playable.... and worths thousands: the Og edveloper estimated they were only 5000 ever made, but that has been disputed: most people agree there's at least 20.000 to 50.000 copies printed and maybe 5 % exist mint in the wild.
Wait, is this like the Satiator?
Very similar, but using the cart port and currently not quite as compatible
Dude, that anime girl on the logo is deep lore only the cool people will get the reference 😉
At no point in my life have I ever claimed to be one of the cool people 😉
@@GouldFishOnGames let's just say the designers of this "Saturn" based product done their research, couldn't think of a better licensed official character to represent the Sega Saturn.
Hello GouldFish I'm Greenchrysópsaro
Does saroo plays Japanese saturn discs and burned saturn games?
When I tried it with burned games it didn't work, Its possible I was doing something wrong but for now I'd keep the Psudo Kai around for that.
I guess they could add that in future.
@@GouldFishOnGames and japanese saturn discs?
9:43 - and that’s exactly why I won’t by this rn
I’ll stick with my video card ODE and self made pseudo Saturn / action replay carts. If my disc drive ever dies I’ll go fenrir or MODE
Yeah there are limitations and compatibility issues, so if you already have a solution there isn't any real need to change.
but if you are looking for one, then its an interesting alternative.
@@GouldFishOnGames I’ll eventually get a saroo due to my fascination with the Saturn as a whole . I just feel if a disc drive is operating and running for something as old as it can be , might as well utilize it as much as you can . That’s usually the first thing that goes if it’s not the power supply within a console and we have innovations for most consoles now to address either one of those instances. The ram slot too on Saturns are finicky and as shockingly amazing as it is to use a bus through there , it can be hindered by many potential issues too . I have a feeling the Saroo overtime will be perfected and make a lot of consoles / console owners keep their Saturns alive without the knowledge or will power to swap out a disc drive or cough up the money for a video card back door. I enjoyed this video particularly on the Saroo a lot btw
Satiator is worth every penny
That ali express listing is dead
Aliexpress has a habit of breaking links its a bit of a pain.
I'll try and find the new one.
BUG HAS UPDATE
I noticed that just after I uploaded the video.
Not had a chance to check it out, but figured it was useful to show that some games do have issues.
You can fix on saroocfg.txt by setting sector_delay values.
Search for: "[Sample] SAROO 1.32 (231125) - Bug! (U) = Fixed?"
I can confirm that fix works great, got it from @chap3l channel as he's been testing a lot of the odd & ends of titles.
50hz 😖 PAL 👎🏼