I need to play the Saturn port of this game. For some reason the first game was also technically less impressive on Saturn. Howerver it felt faster and the music is still great. The game is somehow disappointing but in the end still fun to play for some reason. I want to experience whether this is also the case for WipEOut 2097.
I found a Sega Saturn washed up at the beach, but it was just the empty case. But it had a writing saying "Tim Wright" on it, so maybe Cold Storage used that Saturn to play the prototype when he was composing the music.
So glad to hear you give the Saturn the thumbs up! I watched a review recently and they guy absolutely slammed the Saturn version saying its frame rate made it unplayable, but as you said, although the frame rate is noticeably less on the Saturn, it is constant and doesn't interfere with gameplay. I played both back to back over the weekend, i played PS1 first for 30 minutes then swapped to Saturn, after adjusting to the slight delay, i was having just as much fun as playing the PS1 version.
Yeah sadly some people are very sensitive to frame rates & lag but this is a really good port despite some issues & in a newer video, I included it as one of my favourite Sega Saturn games at the moment 😁
@@TheAffroShowGameplay Just one little FYI though, there's 2 additional tracks you unlock (I think it's after you get Gold in all the regular stages) so there's actually 8 courses not 6.
Great video mate - oh yes Wipeout 2097 my first time playing it was on the demo disc when I first got my PS1 ... the graphics was insane // oh yes the soundtrack was 🔥!!
I waited til I had some free time to watch this, and it was so worth it. I agree, graphical limitations shouldn't get in the way of a great game being great. For example, once you look past the outdated graphics, it's easy to see that Legend of Dragoon is a masterpiece. This game seems like a masterpiece too. Especially the PS1 version is pretty much flawless. And it amazes me what the devs did to make sure the Saturn port had great music. Red Bull is a huge deal in the US (second to Monster energy drinks). True to this, they sponsor various kinds of professional sports. This was a brilliant watch 🙌💗😍
Have you tried the saturn version in composite? The dithering blends into transparency. This isn't quite the case for the original, so suggests to me that they developed 2097 with a composite video signal in mind
@theanaloguegamer Unfortunately, I don't own a Saturn anymore & when I did I never used Composite since I run a HDMI setup :) Despite those transparent meshes, I'd rather have sharper video quality, but this is my preference :)
Although I had the first game on both systems, I only had the sequel for the Saturn. Loved this title. I'm gutted that the N64, despite the much better graphics, didn't have the same vibes as these classics.
Ah the N64 version I've never played so I can't offer my opinion on it but I love Wipeout on both PS1 & Sega Saturn:) The PS1 versions are the best but I do feel the Saturn ports are worth a look despite the frame rate issues!
Loved the saturn version but have to give it to the ps version. Race games are guzzlers of framerate and view distance. It is just awesome looking back on the console war times... Very fun.
@JonSmiff-tunegame I'm fortunate to own both versions & I do agree the PS1 version is superior although I still enjoyed the Saturn version thanks to the improved controls :)
Unfortunately while awesome, it's not going to be the easiest or cheapest solution, but if you can get one, do it! Sadly I have no room for any racing wheel at the moment xD
A little but but not by much, I'll take the PAL version xD It is good on Saturn despite the frame rates being low & easily one of my favourite games in the long series:)
That would have been very interesting although that would have resulted in uneven preformance on PS1 :) Apparently there are hacks out there for emulation to enable higher frame rates so, at least that's a possibility ^^
Wipeout 2097 has two more tracks, one more craft, and one more speed class to unlock, so its 8 tracks and 5 crafts. You can also unlock every track for every speed class.
I've watched a Wipeout retrospective roughly a year back, and it showcases the differences. The Saturn version does have a lower framerate, but the PS1 version in some tracks struggles to maintain its 25fps performance, making for a less consistent experience. As for 2097 in general? It's a solid game, but I do find some of its high praise unwarranted. My biggest issue with the game is the lighting. The game looks cool, but the tunnels are excessively dark to the point where it's difficult to see where you're going. It would usually take me 6 to 10 tries to get through those tunnels without much hassle, which I find to be poor level design. Artificial difficulty essentially. Also, and I don't know if this is my copy, but during gameplay there's a rare engine glitch that practically makes the game crash. You either have to try and restart via the pause menu, or worst-case scenario turn the system off and on. Considering how many times I had to retry difficult races, this occasional bug really frustrates. Overall, it's a good game, but I'd rather play either Wipeout 64, or Wipeout 3 (Special Edition).
I can pretty much agree with the differences I spotted while I was playing although I don't remember encountering any slowdown on the PS1 xD Maybe it's there & I didn't notice xD Personally I love the game & I think I'm lucky as I've never had the game crash on me once & I've had my copy for 12 years now (It's the platinum version so perhaps the glitch was fixed in my version?) I didn't find the tunnels impossible to see in either version but maybe that's just me xD Either way, I still enjoy this game:)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay I own the black label copy, so there's a chance it was probably fixed in the Platinum version. It happened with Spyro 3, so the same for any other game. It could just be my copy though as it has a couple of scratches.
@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 I definitely remember that about Spyro 3 & it made me avoid the black label version :o I'm glad you stated your opinion on the game, I always love seeing different perspectives on games I love :)
Speaking of Spyro 3, I've recently got a new PlayStation with the slot on the back. I can now get my hands on a Gold Finger, and my first game to import would be a Greatest Hits copy of Spyro 3 since it has all of the music that didn't make it into the Platinum version. Even without that extra music. Spyro 3 is still peak collectathon game design. Taking everything I enjoyed about the first 2 games, and addressing practically every issue that makes them hard to revisit. All of this regarding mechanical evolution, progression structure, and especially level design.
@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 I really want to get a modded PlayStation so I can import Japanese games xD It is really cool to figure out which is the best version of which games! Sadly, being a UK resident, importing American games is hard due to import tax :o I love Spyro 3 as well & I think in a future video I need to feature it! Or perhaps just talk about it as the game is wonderfully made & has the best music in the trilogy in my opinion ^^
YOu should do a comparison of Assault Rigs between the PS1 and Saturn versions. The Saturn port is so bad, it only was ever released in Japan. (I think Crazy Ivan suffered the same fate too)
I actually have the PS1 version & I was thinking of doing a ports comparison between the PS1 & Saturn since I have a few games on both systems! Would be great fun for sure ^^
it's a shame that they didn't use Cold Storage that much since the Saturn version of 2097. his last appearance in the franchise was the song "Onyx" from Wipeout Pure, which is perhaps the only great song from that soundtrack
Really great comparison between the two, the japanese version has a "slightly" better frame rate but still not great. Considering the original Wipeout 1 port to the saturn was pretty decent 2097 is big let down. The faster speed classes feel almost unplayable due to the input delay and the framerate.
A shame asa otherwise the Saturn version is playable as the controls are actually a little bitter over the PS version, but I do understand that this port is not for everyone because of the low frame rates :)
I've played the Saturn port, and it was less smooth than the PlayStation version but nowhere near as bad as in this video. Are you sure you've emulated it properly?
Fun fact, psygnosis got acquired by sony, renamed into studio liverpool. Then sony told them to develop shitty games and once the inevitable failures happened, sony closed down the studio. Veterans from psygnosis made another studio after the closure in 2012. Firesprite. Things were working pretty good untill sony bought them again in 2021 and asked them to make shitty games again !
it is quite disappointing, there was little if any improvement over the first wipeout port. I think DESTRUCTION DERBY was handled by the same team and fairs a great deal better due to the floor being rendered with the saturns vdp2, but again still short of the ps1 release. No doubt the saturn was more capable than the port it got, but I don't believe it could ever match the ps1.
Ah I really did not like the Saturn port of Destruction Derby, but 2097 here is still great even if the PlayStation original is technically superior, which it is :) I say it didn't need to match or excel, just had to be fun to play & it is if you look past the frame rate & slightly decreased graphics ^^
@@TheAffroShowGameplay my fav futuristic racer is scorcher on Saturn. It runs pretty well. But kinda like wipeout being better in ps1 by a good margin, the pc version if scorcher is technically far superior, but I only play it in Saturn and happy to do so. All the best.
I have both versions and can agree with almost all your points. Tim Wright (Cold Storage) done awesome on this Saturn game. I do play the Saturn port more. I do think on alot of games that appeared on both consoles Sony got the "cream of the crop" and some Saturn ports seem to maybe not get the love the Sony counterparts did. Sad to because in some games Saturn done better.
Luckily the Saturn has it's own games that either were better than the PS1 ports or games that were awesome that never saw a PS1 port so there's a lot of great reasons to be a Sega Saturn owner today :)
This is a game built ground up for the PSX, no way could the Saturn port be as good though I wonder if with further tweaking, they could've got the frame rate to match the PSX original.
It's apparent they just bolted this onto the original Saturn Wipeout engine with little to no effort in improvement. With a little work the Saturn could have easily hit 30fps. I love my Saturn but I have to admit the Saturn's visuals are 'muddy' compared to it's contemporaries, 3dO, PSX, Jaguar.
I think this port looks a lot better than the original Wipeout but yes, otherwise they didn't do the Sega Saturn any justice with it's slow proformance:o
I love the Saturn version. It's just a shame that Saturn is difficult to develop for. If they had made use of the Saturn's additional cpu and ram it could have been better than the ps1 version in almost every way.
lets be honest the compay was owned by sony, it was on purpose they made it look worse. its probably the best looking racer on the saturn anyway. they could have well got it to run better. btw im asony fan.
@goob8945 I think he's saying that because Sony owned the IP, he feels they gimped the Saturn version on purpose to make the PlayStation version look good ... The port was handled by a different company, although still published by Psyonsis so, not sure although my feeling is simply the Saturn architecture is vastly different & more complicated & thus always was going to be hard to port without specialist help!
I spent many a lost weekend with my PS1and 2097( and a link lead). I wish that Sony would make a new version for the PS5 with VR2 capability. Not a lover of the Saturn version, inferior graphics and an inferior sound track. The PS1 allowed you to load the game and then replace the disc with a music CD of my choice, usually The Prodigy - Gilted Generation. Still love this game but it doesn't play well on a high def large flat screen tv.
I also would love to see a proper return for the services, come on Sony! I actually love the Sega Saturn soundtrack, even if it's not as iconic as the PS1 :) The Saturn plays so well despite it's poor performance but I understand it is not a nice sight for most :)
Great video! Sadly, you missed the best advantage of the Saturn version - it has true analog control with the 3D pad. The PS1 version lacks this as the game came out before it was available on Sony's system. This alone makes the control vastly superior, omitting that from the review was a huge disservice to the Saturn game. That along with the superior in my opinion soundtrack makes the Saturn version the one to play in my eyes. It would've been nice if they could've gotten the frame rate higher though.
I sadly don't own the 3D control pad for the Saturn so I can't comment on how good it truly was for the game :) The soundtrack is subjective, I love the Saturn soundtrack as mentioned in this video but the PlayStation version has a wonderful soundtrack too :)
Thats not true. Wipeout 2097 and even the first Wipeout had perfect analog controls on the PS, since both of them supported the NegCon, which is arguably the best racing controller of all time and suits the futuristic style of this game perfectly. I played both Wipeouts with it and its really a joy (and IMO vastly superior to the Saturn's 3D controller)! I love my Saturn, but the choppy framerate makes this game unplayable for me on the Saturn. :/
@@drunkensailor112 The NegCon had one analoge trigger and, much more important, two analogue face buttons. Makes 3 analogue buttons. The way you hold the Negcon, you would almost exclusively use the face buttons, tho, which worked great!
Sadly that's not a controller I'm personally after as I'm not a fan of getting controllers for small or limited use cases but if it does work well, awesome! Just a bit more knowledge which is nice to know :) Ah I love the Saturn port, yes I agree it's frame rate is poor but not unplayable, it was still fun at least to me :)
the crazy thing is that I don't find anybody noticing that the saturn version had way different and better physics of the racecrafts. the physics were a lot more "free" than on the ps1 version. on the saturn you could fly high and get shortcuts that you couldn't reach on the ps1. The Sega saturn version was a true masterpiece for this reason. absolute unique of a kind masterpiece. I have the project of using the physics of this particular version with new tracks and graphics. I wonder if you can extract the code of the physics... it will be interesting.
I mean ultimately for me despite everything the PS1 version is better but I did find the Sega Saturn version easier to play so I did appreciate this aspect ^^ Overall either version is worth playing in my mind :)
As for the first wipeout, the ps1's "stop you dead in your tracks" issue can easily be singled out in the source code. Once disabled it feels closer to the Saturn. I'm not sure why they removed it from the Saturn version, but it definitely looks more enjoyable when you're not being put to a dead stop on the original wipeout.
@@dempart5558 the collision ties into the physics slightly. So it changes the feel almost entirely. It's just like 3 lines of math in wipeout 1 source code. Plus the math in the physics is all over the place for the PS1 and PC source code. They might have cleaned up the math slightly on Saturn, causing it to act a little different. Maybe they used the old PS1 math on the next ps1 wipeout games, and they used the Saturn code on the following wipeout game. I cant say for certain, because it's all speculation when guessing what devs did.
@@archive3do769 this is fascinating stuff. I'm not at all in the world of software development, but the project I outlined in my first post is serious nonetheless, though I'll obviously have to delegate, even if it is costly. I'll have to dig in more about the case of the first Wipeout , but the difference in the 2097 between the saturn and the ps1 version is clear. But again I'll have to investigate if there is the same difference on the Wipeout 1 game. That being said if there is a difference it might be small, as the 2097 saturn version stood way above all others in term of ships dynamics. I'm saying all that from semi memory, it's a long term project that I've unearthed while watching this video, but there's a lot a preparation work to do. cheers.
Not always :) Depends on the title & some games actually ran well on the Saturn (The Need For Speed comes to mind). I agree most of the Saturn ports were inferior, but that doesn't mean they aren't worth playing :)
@TheAffroShowGameplay Wipepout 3 for PS1 was the game to put the final nail in the coffin for anyone thinking saturn had potential.coz that game went hi-rez played and looked better than past Wipeouts on PS1 it was much improved.i can't think of any saturn game that made me have a 2nd look.even castlevania sotn on saturn was an embarrassment....and saturn was supposed to be the 2D powerhouse system.
@Final_Fantasy_7 Again it depends on the game :) Games like X-Men Vs Street Fighter was an embarrassment on PS1 & Duke Nukem 3D was better on Sega Saturn over PS1 :) As stated earlier I agree the PS1 had overall much better ports & a better library of games but don't write off the Saturn:) Had one for 5 years now & I very much love the hidden gems on it!
@TheAffroShowGameplay like I said I can't think of any game that will me go out and buy a saturn much like PS1 had so many reasons.and PS1 had alot more exclusives...please tell me a list of games that made saturn stood out.im listening
@Final_Fantasy_7 I have a few - Panzer Dragoon Astal Sega Rally Championship Dragon Force Fighting Vipers Fighters Megamix Virtua Figher 2 Guardian Heroes Gungriffon Layer Section The Darkstalkers games (2 & 3) Quake Astra Superstars Bulk Slash (English patched) There's tons more if you look into the Japanese side of the system :)
I'm sorry for sega fans buy psx looks always better, just look the lights effects and framerate. I like more Dreamcast but again, that console needed more power to fight the ps2.
Let me know what you thought of this game & if you folks would play the Sega Saturn port! Thank you once again for watching!
Not only do i play the Saturn port, i play it more. Better music. 😉
@@dad7275 I agree with the music but I like both ports xD It doesn't really matter to me which is better just play the game full stop xD
Had the saturn version as a kid so the music is special to me but damn the graphics and fps on the PlayStation...
I need to play the Saturn port of this game.
For some reason the first game was also technically less impressive on Saturn.
Howerver it felt faster and the music is still great. The game is somehow disappointing but in the end still fun to play for some reason.
I want to experience whether this is also the case for WipEOut 2097.
@@bastienrehm Me too, it's a good conversion, apart from a couple tracks I prefer the psx version now
Another great video and great rate of production without compromising quality. Keep it up!!!
Thank you ^^ If there's one thing I always try to do is make the best content I can, appreciate the kind comment!
I found a Sega Saturn washed up at the beach, but it was just the empty case.
But it had a writing saying "Tim Wright" on it, so maybe Cold Storage used that Saturn to play the prototype when he was composing the music.
If that's true then, I wonder why he never kept the Saturn or how did it even end up in the beach? :o
Great video, never had a chance to check out the Saturn Port before, fun comparison.
I only got the Saturn port last week so I had to see what it was like compared to the PS1 version :) Thank you once again!
Wipeout 2097 on sega saturn is so good with a decent pair of headphones it’s such a great experience
I agree, the music definitely warrants that alone :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay have you heard of a game called Scorcher? Great channel btw 👍
@@richfan10 I have yes :) Its a game I hope to get in the near future ^^ Thank you, I appreciate that :)
So glad to hear you give the Saturn the thumbs up! I watched a review recently and they guy absolutely slammed the Saturn version saying its frame rate made it unplayable, but as you said, although the frame rate is noticeably less on the Saturn, it is constant and doesn't interfere with gameplay. I played both back to back over the weekend, i played PS1 first for 30 minutes then swapped to Saturn, after adjusting to the slight delay, i was having just as much fun as playing the PS1 version.
Yeah sadly some people are very sensitive to frame rates & lag but this is a really good port despite some issues & in a newer video, I included it as one of my favourite Sega Saturn games at the moment 😁
Yes and I much prefer to play Wipeout 2097 with the 3d controller
All personal opinion, play however you feel best for you :)
Great retrospective. Absolutely loved 2097 back in the day.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed my take on the PS1 & Sega Saturn versions:)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay Just one little FYI though, there's 2 additional tracks you unlock (I think it's after you get Gold in all the regular stages) so there's actually 8 courses not 6.
Ah I did not realise, thank you for mentioning that 🙌
Great video mate - oh yes Wipeout 2097 my first time playing it was on the demo disc when I first got my PS1 ... the graphics was insane // oh yes the soundtrack was 🔥!!
Its amazing how well the game has help up & I agree the soundtrack is simply fantastic 😄😄😄
I waited til I had some free time to watch this, and it was so worth it. I agree, graphical limitations shouldn't get in the way of a great game being great. For example, once you look past the outdated graphics, it's easy to see that Legend of Dragoon is a masterpiece. This game seems like a masterpiece too. Especially the PS1 version is pretty much flawless. And it amazes me what the devs did to make sure the Saturn port had great music. Red Bull is a huge deal in the US (second to Monster energy drinks). True to this, they sponsor various kinds of professional sports. This was a brilliant watch 🙌💗😍
Thank you Pink, couldn't put it better myself and appreciate that you enjoyed this video :)
I remember getting so used to Qirex that going back to Feisar was impossible because I had got use to the delay.
Ah I love Feisar personally but I like all the different ships :)
nice vid man
Thank you I appreciate that:)
Have you tried the saturn version in composite? The dithering blends into transparency. This isn't quite the case for the original, so suggests to me that they developed 2097 with a composite video signal in mind
@theanaloguegamer Unfortunately, I don't own a Saturn anymore & when I did I never used Composite since I run a HDMI setup :)
Despite those transparent meshes, I'd rather have sharper video quality, but this is my preference :)
@TheAffroShowGameplay I was of the exact same view until fairly recently 😁 I very much think the preference differs from game to game
Although I had the first game on both systems, I only had the sequel for the Saturn. Loved this title. I'm gutted that the N64, despite the much better graphics, didn't have the same vibes as these classics.
Ah the N64 version I've never played so I can't offer my opinion on it but I love Wipeout on both PS1 & Sega Saturn:)
The PS1 versions are the best but I do feel the Saturn ports are worth a look despite the frame rate issues!
Loved the saturn version but have to give it to the ps version. Race games are guzzlers of framerate and view distance.
It is just awesome looking back on the console war times... Very fun.
@JonSmiff-tunegame I'm fortunate to own both versions & I do agree the PS1 version is superior although I still enjoyed the Saturn version thanks to the improved controls :)
Optimal way to play the Saturn port: The Sega Arcade Racing Wheel. That thing seems to improve almost every racing game on the system.
Unfortunately while awesome, it's not going to be the easiest or cheapest solution, but if you can get one, do it! Sadly I have no room for any racing wheel at the moment xD
I love this on Saturn.. wipeout xl, I think the Japanese version is a lil smoother too.🎉 fab vid
A little but but not by much, I'll take the PAL version xD
It is good on Saturn despite the frame rates being low & easily one of my favourite games in the long series:)
Imagine if devellopers had enabled unlocked FPS, 4 player mode for it the future when we play on emulator.
That would have been very interesting although that would have resulted in uneven preformance on PS1 :)
Apparently there are hacks out there for emulation to enable higher frame rates so, at least that's a possibility ^^
Wipeout 2097 has two more tracks, one more craft, and one more speed class to unlock, so its 8 tracks and 5 crafts. You can also unlock every track for every speed class.
I never knew that! Thank you for the information! Might have to update this video with another in the future :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay No problem :) There are a few more things hidden, but I'm not going to spoil your fun.
I've watched a Wipeout retrospective roughly a year back, and it showcases the differences. The Saturn version does have a lower framerate, but the PS1 version in some tracks struggles to maintain its 25fps performance, making for a less consistent experience.
As for 2097 in general? It's a solid game, but I do find some of its high praise unwarranted. My biggest issue with the game is the lighting. The game looks cool, but the tunnels are excessively dark to the point where it's difficult to see where you're going. It would usually take me 6 to 10 tries to get through those tunnels without much hassle, which I find to be poor level design. Artificial difficulty essentially. Also, and I don't know if this is my copy, but during gameplay there's a rare engine glitch that practically makes the game crash. You either have to try and restart via the pause menu, or worst-case scenario turn the system off and on. Considering how many times I had to retry difficult races, this occasional bug really frustrates. Overall, it's a good game, but I'd rather play either Wipeout 64, or Wipeout 3 (Special Edition).
I can pretty much agree with the differences I spotted while I was playing although I don't remember encountering any slowdown on the PS1 xD Maybe it's there & I didn't notice xD
Personally I love the game & I think I'm lucky as I've never had the game crash on me once & I've had my copy for 12 years now (It's the platinum version so perhaps the glitch was fixed in my version?)
I didn't find the tunnels impossible to see in either version but maybe that's just me xD Either way, I still enjoy this game:)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay
I own the black label copy, so there's a chance it was probably fixed in the Platinum version. It happened with Spyro 3, so the same for any other game. It could just be my copy though as it has a couple of scratches.
@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 I definitely remember that about Spyro 3 & it made me avoid the black label version :o
I'm glad you stated your opinion on the game, I always love seeing different perspectives on games I love :)
Speaking of Spyro 3, I've recently got a new PlayStation with the slot on the back. I can now get my hands on a Gold Finger, and my first game to import would be a Greatest Hits copy of Spyro 3 since it has all of the music that didn't make it into the Platinum version.
Even without that extra music. Spyro 3 is still peak collectathon game design. Taking everything I enjoyed about the first 2 games, and addressing practically every issue that makes them hard to revisit. All of this regarding mechanical evolution, progression structure, and especially level design.
@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 I really want to get a modded PlayStation so I can import Japanese games xD
It is really cool to figure out which is the best version of which games! Sadly, being a UK resident, importing American games is hard due to import tax :o
I love Spyro 3 as well & I think in a future video I need to feature it! Or perhaps just talk about it as the game is wonderfully made & has the best music in the trilogy in my opinion ^^
YOu should do a comparison of Assault Rigs between the PS1 and Saturn versions. The Saturn port is so bad, it only was ever released in Japan. (I think Crazy Ivan suffered the same fate too)
I actually have the PS1 version & I was thinking of doing a ports comparison between the PS1 & Saturn since I have a few games on both systems!
Would be great fun for sure ^^
it's a shame that they didn't use Cold Storage that much since the Saturn version of 2097. his last appearance in the franchise was the song "Onyx" from Wipeout Pure, which is perhaps the only great song from that soundtrack
I do miss Cold Storage & his music did really elevate the early games but I love the soundtrack of the series ^^ :)
Really great comparison between the two, the japanese version has a "slightly" better frame rate but still not great. Considering the original Wipeout 1 port to the saturn was pretty decent 2097 is big let down. The faster speed classes feel almost unplayable due to the input delay and the framerate.
A shame asa otherwise the Saturn version is playable as the controls are actually a little bitter over the PS version, but I do understand that this port is not for everyone because of the low frame rates :)
I've played the Saturn port, and it was less smooth than the PlayStation version but nowhere near as bad as in this video. Are you sure you've emulated it properly?
It was all captured on real hardware:)
This is the PAL version so it might look choppier than NTSC versions:)
Fun fact, psygnosis got acquired by sony, renamed into studio liverpool. Then sony told them to develop shitty games and once the inevitable failures happened, sony closed down the studio.
Veterans from psygnosis made another studio after the closure in 2012. Firesprite. Things were working pretty good untill sony bought them again in 2021 and asked them to make shitty games again !
When Sony wants you, you can never escape!
it is quite disappointing, there was little if any improvement over the first wipeout port. I think DESTRUCTION DERBY was handled by the same team and fairs a great deal better due to the floor being rendered with the saturns vdp2, but again still short of the ps1 release. No doubt the saturn was more capable than the port it got, but I don't believe it could ever match the ps1.
Ah I really did not like the Saturn port of Destruction Derby, but 2097 here is still great even if the PlayStation original is technically superior, which it is :)
I say it didn't need to match or excel, just had to be fun to play & it is if you look past the frame rate & slightly decreased graphics ^^
@@TheAffroShowGameplay my fav futuristic racer is scorcher on Saturn. It runs pretty well. But kinda like wipeout being better in ps1 by a good margin, the pc version if scorcher is technically far superior, but I only play it in Saturn and happy to do so. All the best.
I have both versions and can agree with almost all your points. Tim Wright (Cold Storage) done awesome on this Saturn game. I do play the Saturn port more. I do think on alot of games that appeared on both consoles Sony got the "cream of the crop" and some Saturn ports seem to maybe not get the love the Sony counterparts did. Sad to because in some games Saturn done better.
Luckily the Saturn has it's own games that either were better than the PS1 ports or games that were awesome that never saw a PS1 port so there's a lot of great reasons to be a Sega Saturn owner today :)
Sountrack by Cold Storage fits much better.
I wish added to a PS1 modified game
I love both but it would be interesting to have the Sega Saturn soundtrack on PS1!
Only Sega ( when they really want) and Lobotomy can make a smooth framerate in a 3d game.
Others could have too if the Saturn was easier to develop for but, it was unfortunate it did not pan out this way :o
This is a game built ground up for the PSX, no way could the Saturn port be as good though I wonder if with further tweaking, they could've got the frame rate to match the PSX original.
I definitely feel the Saturn could have been better in the frame rate department but, despite this, it is still fun to play :)
It's apparent they just bolted this onto the original Saturn Wipeout engine with little to no effort in improvement. With a little work the Saturn could have easily hit 30fps.
I love my Saturn but I have to admit the Saturn's visuals are 'muddy' compared to it's contemporaries, 3dO, PSX, Jaguar.
I think this port looks a lot better than the original Wipeout but yes, otherwise they didn't do the Sega Saturn any justice with it's slow proformance:o
The explosions look 'flat' like cardboard cutout explosions. Duke Nukem 3D had the same problem.
I love the Saturn version. It's just a shame that Saturn is difficult to develop for. If they had made use of the Saturn's additional cpu and ram it could have been better than the ps1 version in almost every way.
There was definitely potential there for that port to be spectacular!
La versión PAL tiene un 20% menos de velocidad que la NTSC. Probá La versión XL de wipeout 2097 de Saturn y vas a notar una mejora sustancial
Sorry mate, I can only speak English 😂
Had a Saturn as a kid. Hated those mesh transparencies.. And they're on full ugliness display here.
Admittedly it's a sore sight but not all games had this xD
I love the Saturn despite it's shortcomings 😊
@@TheAffroShowGameplay It did have its good games! The 3d fighters VF2 of course, and others. Sega Rally was one of my faves
lets be honest the compay was owned by sony, it was on purpose they made it look worse. its probably the best looking racer on the saturn anyway. they could have well got it to run better. btw im asony fan.
Maybe, admittedly the Saturn was harder to program for but I know with the right team, the port could be improved further :)
Tantalus Media (who did the port to the Saturn) was not owned by Sony.
If Sony owned it wouldn’t they want it to sell more copies?
@goob8945 I think he's saying that because Sony owned the IP, he feels they gimped the Saturn version on purpose to make the PlayStation version look good ...
The port was handled by a different company, although still published by Psyonsis so, not sure although my feeling is simply the Saturn architecture is vastly different & more complicated & thus always was going to be hard to port without specialist help!
@@TheAffroShowGameplay ahh, I see. IMO it’s more realistic that the Saturn was just harder to program on, resulting in a worse port
I spent many a lost weekend with my PS1and 2097( and a link lead). I wish that Sony would make a new version for the PS5 with VR2 capability.
Not a lover of the Saturn version, inferior graphics and an inferior sound track. The PS1 allowed you to load the game and then replace the disc with a music CD of my choice, usually The Prodigy - Gilted Generation.
Still love this game but it doesn't play well on a high def large flat screen tv.
I also would love to see a proper return for the services, come on Sony!
I actually love the Sega Saturn soundtrack, even if it's not as iconic as the PS1 :)
The Saturn plays so well despite it's poor performance but I understand it is not a nice sight for most :)
Great video!
Sadly, you missed the best advantage of the Saturn version - it has true analog control with the 3D pad. The PS1 version lacks this as the game came out before it was available on Sony's system.
This alone makes the control vastly superior, omitting that from the review was a huge disservice to the Saturn game. That along with the superior in my opinion soundtrack makes the Saturn version the one to play in my eyes. It would've been nice if they could've gotten the frame rate higher though.
I sadly don't own the 3D control pad for the Saturn so I can't comment on how good it truly was for the game :)
The soundtrack is subjective, I love the Saturn soundtrack as mentioned in this video but the PlayStation version has a wonderful soundtrack too :)
Thats not true. Wipeout 2097 and even the first Wipeout had perfect analog controls on the PS, since both of them supported the NegCon, which is arguably the best racing controller of all time and suits the futuristic style of this game perfectly. I played both Wipeouts with it and its really a joy (and IMO vastly superior to the Saturn's 3D controller)!
I love my Saturn, but the choppy framerate makes this game unplayable for me on the Saturn. :/
@@MH-yp6wg the playstation had no analogue triggers though. Only saturn had that. Sony finally got that with ps3
@@drunkensailor112 The NegCon had one analoge trigger and, much more important, two analogue face buttons. Makes 3 analogue buttons. The way you hold the Negcon, you would almost exclusively use the face buttons, tho, which worked great!
Sadly that's not a controller I'm personally after as I'm not a fan of getting controllers for small or limited use cases but if it does work well, awesome! Just a bit more knowledge which is nice to know :)
Ah I love the Saturn port, yes I agree it's frame rate is poor but not unplayable, it was still fun at least to me :)
the crazy thing is that I don't find anybody noticing that the saturn version had way different and better physics of the racecrafts. the physics were a lot more "free" than on the ps1 version. on the saturn you could fly high and get shortcuts that you couldn't reach on the ps1. The Sega saturn version was a true masterpiece for this reason. absolute unique of a kind masterpiece. I have the project of using the physics of this particular version with new tracks and graphics. I wonder if you can extract the code of the physics... it will be interesting.
I mean ultimately for me despite everything the PS1 version is better but I did find the Sega Saturn version easier to play so I did appreciate this aspect ^^
Overall either version is worth playing in my mind :)
As for the first wipeout, the ps1's "stop you dead in your tracks" issue can easily be singled out in the source code. Once disabled it feels closer to the Saturn. I'm not sure why they removed it from the Saturn version, but it definitely looks more enjoyable when you're not being put to a dead stop on the original wipeout.
@@archive3do769 Interesting. are you referring to the physics of collision with the walls?
@@dempart5558 the collision ties into the physics slightly. So it changes the feel almost entirely. It's just like 3 lines of math in wipeout 1 source code. Plus the math in the physics is all over the place for the PS1 and PC source code. They might have cleaned up the math slightly on Saturn, causing it to act a little different. Maybe they used the old PS1 math on the next ps1 wipeout games, and they used the Saturn code on the following wipeout game. I cant say for certain, because it's all speculation when guessing what devs did.
@@archive3do769 this is fascinating stuff. I'm not at all in the world of software development, but the project I outlined in my first post is serious nonetheless, though I'll obviously have to delegate, even if it is costly.
I'll have to dig in more about the case of the first Wipeout , but the difference in the 2097 between the saturn and the ps1 version is clear. But again I'll have to investigate if there is the same difference on the Wipeout 1 game. That being said if there is a difference it might be small, as the 2097 saturn version stood way above all others in term of ships dynamics.
I'm saying all that from semi memory, it's a long term project that I've unearthed while watching this video, but there's a lot a preparation work to do. cheers.
Hate to be that guy but when you say 'fustrick' do you actually mean futuristic,as in like the future?
Yes xD Sadly I'm not the best at saying words but I try :)
The Playstation versions were always superior because it has better 3D hardware it's just that simple !!!😊
Not always :) Depends on the title & some games actually ran well on the Saturn (The Need For Speed comes to mind). I agree most of the Saturn ports were inferior, but that doesn't mean they aren't worth playing :)
@TheAffroShowGameplay Wipepout 3 for PS1 was the game to put the final nail in the coffin for anyone thinking saturn had potential.coz that game went hi-rez played and looked better than past Wipeouts on PS1 it was much improved.i can't think of any saturn game that made me have a 2nd look.even castlevania sotn on saturn was an embarrassment....and saturn was supposed to be the 2D powerhouse system.
@Final_Fantasy_7 Again it depends on the game :)
Games like X-Men Vs Street Fighter was an embarrassment on PS1 & Duke Nukem 3D was better on Sega Saturn over PS1 :)
As stated earlier I agree the PS1 had overall much better ports & a better library of games but don't write off the Saturn:) Had one for 5 years now & I very much love the hidden gems on it!
@TheAffroShowGameplay like I said I can't think of any game that will me go out and buy a saturn much like PS1 had so many reasons.and PS1 had alot more exclusives...please tell me a list of games that made saturn stood out.im listening
@Final_Fantasy_7 I have a few -
Panzer Dragoon
Astal
Sega Rally Championship
Dragon Force
Fighting Vipers
Fighters Megamix
Virtua Figher 2
Guardian Heroes
Gungriffon
Layer Section
The Darkstalkers games (2 & 3)
Quake
Astra Superstars
Bulk Slash (English patched)
There's tons more if you look into the Japanese side of the system :)
I'm sorry for sega fans buy psx looks always better, just look the lights effects and framerate. I like more Dreamcast but again, that console needed more power to fight the ps2.
Of course the PS1 version is technically better but I actually have a soft spot for the Saturn version:))