After watching this documentary, the viewer may feel repulsed and disgusted at these people, rightfully so, and start generalizing and stereotyping certain people with certain political ideologies. However, isn't that just what these "trolls" are doing? They feel so justified in their actions and what they say because they genuinely believe what they say is true, even if it's based on the actions of extremists. I feel like this documentary was designed to have you gain a greater understanding of the most racist, hateful, and bigoted people. You're in no way supposed to defend these actions but to simply realize that these people aren't much different than you. We view these "trolls" as inhuman, hateful, racist, bigoted, and extremists. Well, the "trolls" feel the same alienation between them and the people the spew hate towards. All I'm getting at is that to end hate, you need to first have understanding.
Priceless - the guy in the stars and stripes comments that immigrants do not respect the US Flag - wears the US Flag in violation of the US Flag Code... The flag should not be used as "wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery", or for covering a speaker's desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general (exception for coffins).
That final line reminds me how I was when I first gave up being a militant Christian to become an equally militant atheist. Changing the content of our beliefs isn't the challenge. It's the form our beliefs take that should concern us.
Yes, interesting. As a liberal I just wish it could be a bit more balanced. Only far right views are trolling? Cmon...... lets be honest - you see plenty of insults hurled out on the internet by the left too.....calling trump or brexit supporters default nazis/racists/etc for starters? Personally, it would have been nice to see one of those internet warriors who spends their a large proportion of their time not debating but shutting down the opinions of "white men who should check their privilege before speaking".
Really good piece, capturing both the isolated freak and mild-mannered, reasonable sides within the same person. Makes me feel like a lot of them have a disconnect going on, especially the ones who laughed at what they'd written without getting the bigger consequences of their aggression, i.e. letting some asshole into power. The first guy with a foreign wife (soft side) and a lot of hate for refugees and governments (hard side) seems particularly daft.
Is it not also daft to be decrying the authoritarian actions of Trump as being inhumane whilst championing the assault and vandalism perpetrated by anti-fa rioters? You don't have to look far these days to find ideological hypocrites. It seems like everyone's doing it.
My thoughts exactly. The director portrays, persistently, each one as detached, lonely, isolated, outcasts, if by their own design or not, it's left unanswered. Notably when The Evil kanival fan is sitting at the diner, and the two bystanders notice his presence, get up and leave. He himself is the most exagerated type; pitifully waving his flags at the highway. Do their comments, cristalyzed hate, drive them away and inward their homes, or is it the other way? Most of them have windows and curtains closed, cluttered spaces, confortamble in equal measure as safe. A great video, kudos to the norwegian director.
Mate, most people aren't hypocrites. Most people who oppose trump don't support extremists, likewise most people who support trump don't support it either. But for years now people are being riled up by others that people don't listen to other opinions anymore. Both sides despise each other. If you'd come with a magical solution which makes everyone happy no one would want it because they don't trust anyone who won't agree with them. It's a giant problem with social media, you talk with person A you don't agree with and then person B insults you for disagreeing with person A. If this happens frequently you'll assume that both A and B are assholes even though it was only B that insulted you. Same goes for hypocrisy. Social media can be great but most who partake in online discussions are there just to reinforce their own views, not to be open-minded and discuss with others. Both sides have a fault, and you don't need to work together, but you should at least listen(you need to be open-minded) to others.
Yes, you caught me... Im spewing educated hatred at people who spew uneducated hatred... guilty.... Although just saying they are who I thought they would be doesnt seem to be very spewing of hatred? I could have been saying that I pity them for their lack of social skills and low self esteem?
Ayy lmao, Everything you dont like is fake, how convenient. To ignore truth because it hurts and you have to question yourself is a cowardly way to live.
I always wanted to peer into the lives of some of the commenters I see online, and this isn't far from my expectation. Either way, I'll give them props for allowing the guardian to capture a slice of their lives.
"I work with a Muslim, and he's alright. I have a job now. I don't have an issue with immigration anymore." Hmmm, so feeling productive, as well as interacting with and befriending those who are different from you causes you to be less hateful and prejudiced. Who da thunk!
Nobody else irked that The Guardian only portray people from the far right as the "Internet Warriors"? There are PLENTY of far left people who spew hate too. "Nah, because fuck trump amirite?" That is basically what it comes down to unfortunately.
I am positively surprised of this short documentary. Very good approach. Well done the director and anyone who participated and thank you, the guardian, for giving them a voice! (I had to comment, right:) )
This is actually quite interesting. I feel a few types of "warriors" were missed out. Would have been good to have, for example, the type of trolls that blame "patriarchy" for the world's problems included, for the sake of diversity. I like the attempt, it just doesn't cover the full range of internet hatred, and it also seems to heavily target the working class, when the middle and upper are demonstrably just as bad.
This is one of the best videos I've seen and exactly why I try not to use profanity or vulgarity and don't allow others to on my g+ stream and why I seek all sides of issues to better understand them.
"I'm on facebook 24/7, reading the news and stuff. I don't watch TV because i don't trust the media" Oh boy.... Does he really believe social media is trustworthy?
No one in his right mind would consider his race to be any significant part of his identity, or would care about the race of his children or anyone else.
My God to just think that some of these people I have interacted with. Actually the people I've interacted with are worst than these people. Yeah, depressing describes these people. Wow.
I often say that if I could actually see the people I interact with online in real life, it wouldn't occur to me to take them seriously enough to talk to them.
Thanks to The Guardian for showing the other side. It seems the most important mission of the news organization nowadays. To pierce that bubble of information we put ourselves inside, with "Curated" News Feed on Twitter, Facebook, Flipboard and RUclips. Thanks, The Guadian Again! The best news organization.
why cant people see the hypocrisy in their own thinking. Some hypocrisy is inevitable but blatant double standards are pretty much a person's individual responsibility to correct....
Very good documentary, although it would have been more balanced had they included more of the so-called "left" keyboard warriors. Some "liberal" tweeters are just as intolerant , irrational, and aggressive as the "conservative" ones.
I love this. Really sheds some light on the type of people who support the alt-right/pro trump/anti liberal movement. There's an underlying sadness to most of these people. I jumped between feeling pity to feeling derision for them. What struck me the most was the pattern of physical unattractiveness in these people. Almost all of them are severely overweight. I wonder if there's some kind of link between obesity and radical right wing views? Overall very interesting and very revealing :)
This is kind of why no one in the media saw Trump or Brexit coming. Yes, these people are all very sad in many ways, but there are a LOT of them, and they know how they are looked down upon, and they voted themselves into power because they were tiered of being told they are disgusting and small. If we don't start fixing these major social problems and treating ALL people (even the disadvantaged ones in this video) like they DO matter, we'll see this kind of thing world wide with no return. Listen: these people are legitimately in pain and suffering (even though their expression of it is crude and misdirected). This kind of video makes a clear attempt to show how disgusting these people are, totally dehumanizing them and making them into a group we can hate. We need to look at these people as ones who are generations-deep into a failed social system, who at their core are completely worthy of love, protection, society inclusion, and forgiveness. Take them seriously and stop framing them in the ugliest light possible. We can do this, we can look past the ugly comments and see the truth of what needs to happen in our society to prevent this kind of madness. They have felt rejected from "Liberal" society and told they were disgusting since they were young, often because of poverty or physical condition. No wonder they don't feel like they have a place among progressives! "If you don't initiate the young into the village, they will burn it down just to feel some warmth"
+Brouhaha Ma I don't know what it's like in the UK, but here in the US you ask the impossible. These are the people who don't want health coverage for everyone, caps on what CEOs earn, a basic living minimum wage, taxes on businesses, or assistance to the helpless. They think they have the right to carry loaded weapons into shopping malls, eliminate people by religion, and discriminate by race. What can we do when they are so clueless, even about their own situation?
I hear you, Bongo155. I'm living in the Heartland of America and the folks around me run Red as can be. It's tough to look past and I do feel frustrated and often alone in my outlook. But we can't loose hope or give up on our fellow citizens. This took a long time to create, and it will take a long time to fix. Understand that we need to be looking at the bigger picture-- we cannot fix this with such short-sighted vision as what lead us to the problem in the first place. Immediately, we need to protect those without power, listen to those with grievances, understand where they come from (so we can avoid future mistakes) and provide support for rehabilitation after a lifetime spend in abuse and poverty. Long term, we need to support a social structure of inclusion, health, education, and creativity that will produce future generations who are compassionate, well informed and active in positive change.
These people are seriously misguided. What's scary is seeing people who look really nice and friendly saying the most horrible things. They turn into monsters online
The problem is that a large part of people's interactions are now online and where they are often anonymous. As social animals, we need real face to face relationships. People, in general of course, don't normally act the way they do online. Can you imagine them saying these things to their targets face? It's much harder to hate a real person when you see that they are just like you - a human being.
No one in his right mind would even recognize such a concept as "ethic decline." Ethnicity is not a relevant factor to a healthy individual's sense of self.
Which is why The Guardian chose her to be the one token leftie "troll" in a video of the most cartoonish versions of right wing politics they could find. If you want to see the craziness the other side gets up to look at anything ANTIFA related or check out some ISIS twitter.
Josie Fox and the last guy in my opinion as he changed and his comment about the harshest critics of immigration are those who do not have immigrants in their neighbour is spot on !
Couple of issues with your suggestion: 1. We know that Daesh (please stop using "ISIS", it's an outdated and wrong label) are a terrorist organization, so it's not surprising that their public posts would be full of hatred and logical fallacies. 2. The primary lesson from this video should be that "we" are wrong when we think these people only say their hateful statements online and wouldn't dare saying them out loud; in the video, you see multiple people who have no problem spewing hatred in public places, in front of children, in front of their IMMIGRANT SPOUSES (!!) etc.
Trusting the media to act as a filter to view the world through. Yes that's going to end well. It couldn't possibly be that the Guardian is being politically selective in this presentation could it ?
Well, because for most people it's pretty much impossible to immigrate legally, they don't have someone who wants to marry them like in this case. Being against illegal immigration and not caring to make legal immigration easier it's just being against immigration in general.
There are more ways to immigrate, and it's almost impossible, I'm telling you because I've been trying to find a chance to work in the USA. I know it's not a right, I know you don't have to trust I'd be a good citizen, just seems so rich when I hear "We are in favor of LEGAL immigration" when you don't have a problem with the system being what it is.
The system is what it is because no one (rightfully) wants to see those who move to their country be anything other then a net positive for their country and society. Even being average simply isn't good enough, you need to actively make the place you're going better to earn the privilege of moving to it. Hell given the rate at which the US lets people immigrate to it legally, there's really no one who should be complaining given how much higher that rate is compared to most first world nations. It took Europe being flooded with illegal economic migrants for it to even catch up to the US on that front, and there's a very strong argument to be made that immigration should be slowed down for a good 20 years in the US to allow for assimilation and integration of the immigrants already there.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, legal immigration for you guys means as little immigration as possible, I would just respect that more if you just say it from the beginning. By the way, here's what non extraordinary people are doing to emigrate legally to the USA: www.aljazeera.com/programmes/101east/2016/12/fleeing-south-korea-161228075711093.html
There is one thing all of those people have in common: Its not their belief in conservative thoughts or racism or being homophobic. They just want to be heard. They want other people to listen to them. And that's why they are shouting on the internet. Listen to those people, bring them back to our society and their hate against diversity will start to reduce.
So well done. However, Why didnt the direct challenge them, in the sense of questioning why they were actually doing what they do? Not to criticise but to get at the heart of why they do what they do? Personally i think that is where the story is... as for the second guy, does he seriously have no idea at of how the English came into being? The very thing he is describing as bad.
Life is too short to be like this, when you're on your death bed, are you going to be happy with your time spent on this earth if you spend your time like this? Each to their own.
The journalist should also have met people from "the other side" which are as aggressive as their counterparts. Because, as far as I know, a real war is happening on social media everyday between those internet warriors. This would have been a great way to evidence the gap between people nowadays. It would have made a great documentary !
I don't understand. What does the first guy meant when his wife has to go back home in 6 months after paying 4000 pounds and submitting documents? Didn't she receive permanent residency as a wife?
Is there a part 2? I found it frustrating that none of them were asked why they believed these things or why they felt the need to post their ideas. Also, why were there no names or locations?
Well, I must admit that was VERY interesting, because it shows us that "normal" untouched (behind the screen) side of those women and men. I don't mean this as a positive or negative way, we often dehumanize extreme behaviours like those, maybe because we're scared to think about the fact that we're all made from the same mold, same "race" : humans. And we don't want to be seen as the same person as an extremist-racist-homophobic guy. All I can see here in the comments is hate, but when you hate the hater and spread it, you become like the one you hate.
To everyone pleading for understanding and compassion, just know that had you directed this same open mindedness to people of color you would become a prime target for this same abuse. This is what makes what you ask unrealistic, at least in the U.S. Because they overvalue their own suffering and tend to thoroughly discount and even mock everyone else's. Sometimes to a disgusting degree. Furthermore, the predatory capitalism that has allegedly preyed upon them is the same one they've voted for in election after election. Often because they were perfectly happy to vote against their economic interests if the candidate tossed the right people under the bus. At what point do they have an obligation to allow for the fact they're not the only people in pain? When do we call them out for their self-pity? Because they think it gives them license to lash out at everybody else in really vicious destructive ways.
I so agree with you. One of the WORST ever bogus social memes in history is the supposedly well intended notion of Unconditional Love. It has propagated the idea that one is acceptable -no matter what, and started the absolute landslide of people feeling entitled to chronically overvalue themselves at the expense of anyone and everyone else. Never before has there been a trend more damaging to the principles of fairness, justice, and decency. It is the perfect example of the road to Hell being paved with good intentions.
I used to get mad at this kind of people. Now I pity them.
Guardian 101
This made me want to eat healthy and exercise. Thanks Guardian!
It's sad to see that these trolls are adults.
Not at all. I will be doing internet trolling for my whole life. Its my purpose.
@@seriousperson2065 well said man
@@seriousperson2065 me too
Who knew there were so many middle aged people spending their days commenting on facebook
they're actors
@@Aaron565 They are real people.
@@pamelahumphrey2067 actors can be real people lol
God, this is depressing...
I know right... I think I'm going to disconnect from the internet and neck myself.
I think after you disconnect, you wont feel so much like necking yourself.
They vote.
Oh yes it is TomJ. Hearing some of those people, you sometime wonder how people actually end-up thinking like that, its crazy......
It ends on a small positive note though.
video: "internet warriors"
comment section: internet warriors
...it's like an infinity mirror.
Ikr. Damn internet warriors
After watching this documentary, the viewer may feel repulsed and disgusted at these people, rightfully so, and start generalizing and stereotyping certain people with certain political ideologies. However, isn't that just what these "trolls" are doing? They feel so justified in their actions and what they say because they genuinely believe what they say is true, even if it's based on the actions of extremists. I feel like this documentary was designed to have you gain a greater understanding of the most racist, hateful, and bigoted people. You're in no way supposed to defend these actions but to simply realize that these people aren't much different than you. We view these "trolls" as inhuman, hateful, racist, bigoted, and extremists. Well, the "trolls" feel the same alienation between them and the people the spew hate towards. All I'm getting at is that to end hate, you need to first have understanding.
Hates migration into europe
Migrates a wife in to europe
The "Great British Public" shine again
ben Jovi Guardian selected them. How many people do you know with foreign wives in real life do you know like this?
ben Jovi Yeah that was a wtf moment.
+Special Snowfake Donald Trump & co.
And Nigel Farage.
that man was the most vile, disgusting POS
They're all look so lonely these trolls. They need emotional help
haha WHAT MAKES U SO DIFFERENT FROM THEM?
@@DHANANJAYKUMAR-jw5bd You need help too.
@@dontlookatmyvideoREE Do u know the commenter.???
The man has been hurt, along his way in LIFE. WHAT IS LIFE.????
Priceless - the guy in the stars and stripes comments that immigrants do not respect the US Flag - wears the US Flag in violation of the US Flag Code...
The flag should not be used as "wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery", or for covering a speaker's desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general (exception for coffins).
That final line reminds me how I was when I first gave up being a militant Christian to become an equally militant atheist. Changing the content of our beliefs isn't the challenge. It's the form our beliefs take that should concern us.
Guardian's documentaries are so much revealing about our societies. They hit nerves and ring bells.
And next week the Guardian will do Anti-LGBT posts from Arabic Twitter...
Yes, interesting. As a liberal I just wish it could be a bit more balanced. Only far right views are trolling? Cmon...... lets be honest - you see plenty of insults hurled out on the internet by the left too.....calling trump or brexit supporters default nazis/racists/etc for starters? Personally, it would have been nice to see one of those internet warriors who spends their a large proportion of their time not debating but shutting down the opinions of "white men who should check their privilege before speaking".
The Guardian should make their own TV channel
What Camera was this shot with? Great shots.
Think it was a 5D, will let you know if it turns out it wasn't.
So they have no lives, and are very, very angry. Huh, who would've thought?
Really good piece, capturing both the isolated freak and mild-mannered, reasonable sides within the same person. Makes me feel like a lot of them have a disconnect going on, especially the ones who laughed at what they'd written without getting the bigger consequences of their aggression, i.e. letting some asshole into power. The first guy with a foreign wife (soft side) and a lot of hate for refugees and governments (hard side) seems particularly daft.
Is it not also daft to be decrying the authoritarian actions of Trump as being inhumane whilst championing the assault and vandalism perpetrated by anti-fa rioters? You don't have to look far these days to find ideological hypocrites. It seems like everyone's doing it.
Yeah mate I agree.
My thoughts exactly. The director portrays, persistently, each one as detached, lonely, isolated, outcasts, if by their own design or not, it's left unanswered.
Notably when The Evil kanival fan is sitting at the diner, and the two bystanders notice his presence, get up and leave. He himself is the most exagerated type; pitifully waving his flags at the highway.
Do their comments, cristalyzed hate, drive them away and inward their homes, or is it the other way? Most of them have windows and curtains closed, cluttered spaces, confortamble in equal measure as safe.
A great video, kudos to the norwegian director.
ADGO as for the foreign wife. it's called an honorary aryan, which many Asians are.
Mate, most people aren't hypocrites. Most people who oppose trump don't support extremists, likewise most people who support trump don't support it either. But for years now people are being riled up by others that people don't listen to other opinions anymore. Both sides despise each other. If you'd come with a magical solution which makes everyone happy no one would want it because they don't trust anyone who won't agree with them. It's a giant problem with social media, you talk with person A you don't agree with and then person B insults you for disagreeing with person A. If this happens frequently you'll assume that both A and B are assholes even though it was only B that insulted you. Same goes for hypocrisy. Social media can be great but most who partake in online discussions are there just to reinforce their own views, not to be open-minded and discuss with others. Both sides have a fault, and you don't need to work together, but you should at least listen(you need to be open-minded) to others.
Interesting... and confirms what I think about these people. They really are who they appear to be.
haha WHAT MAKES U SO DIFFERENT FROM THEM?
Im not spewing uneducated hatred?
haha spewing educated hatred r u?
Yes, you caught me... Im spewing educated hatred at people who spew uneducated hatred... guilty....
Although just saying they are who I thought they would be doesnt seem to be very spewing of hatred? I could have been saying that I pity them for their lack of social skills and low self esteem?
Ayy lmao, Everything you dont like is fake, how convenient. To ignore truth because it hurts and you have to question yourself is a cowardly way to live.
"People use the social media to get to their confort zone where the only sound the hear is the echo of their own voice" Zygmunt Bauman
I always wanted to peer into the lives of some of the commenters I see online, and this isn't far from my expectation. Either way, I'll give them props for allowing the guardian to capture a slice of their lives.
What's wrong with the muslim girl? I don't see any hate in her comments, I just see a girl who questions the values other people are trying to impose.
I can only see the first guy who has to pay for his wife
3:41 That dog is like "Get me the fuck away from this pillock."
Of course he has a mail-order bride lmaooo
Not disabling comments on this video may have been a mistake.
"I work with a Muslim, and he's alright. I have a job now. I don't have an issue with immigration anymore."
Hmmm, so feeling productive, as well as interacting with and befriending those who are different from you causes you to be less hateful and prejudiced. Who da thunk!
This is as uncomfortable as it is important viewing. Incredibly well done!
This is the best opening to a Tarantino film I've seen yet!
Nobody else irked that The Guardian only portray people from the far right as the "Internet Warriors"? There are PLENTY of far left people who spew hate too.
"Nah, because fuck trump amirite?"
That is basically what it comes down to unfortunately.
Damn, none of these people are sane.
I love the way this doc depicts the lonely life of those people
goddamnit they had to choose that one guy as the american in this documentary hahaha classic
lmfao
+Vane
ssa Ortiz
haha
The Guardian has a habit of scouring the USA for the dumbest Americans and portraying them as representative.
I am positively surprised of this short documentary. Very good approach. Well done the director and anyone who participated and thank you, the guardian, for giving them a voice! (I had to comment, right:) )
People are wankers in real life now anyway. I think the internet is slipping into reality.
This is actually quite interesting. I feel a few types of "warriors" were missed out. Would have been good to have, for example, the type of trolls that blame "patriarchy" for the world's problems included, for the sake of diversity. I like the attempt, it just doesn't cover the full range of internet hatred, and it also seems to heavily target the working class, when the middle and upper are demonstrably just as bad.
Really thought provoking and nuanced documentary. Fascinating stuff.
This is one of the best videos I've seen and exactly why I try not to use profanity or vulgarity and don't allow others to on my g+ stream and why I seek all sides of issues to better understand them.
"I'm not racist because I've defined it too rigidly to include me, even though I'm racist as shit every time I open my mouth."
Since you didn't include any of the hateful people from the left, I assume you will make a whole video about them next....right?
"I'm on facebook 24/7, reading the news and stuff. I don't watch TV because i don't trust the media"
Oh boy.... Does he really believe social media is trustworthy?
im a Trump supporter and I feel sorry for How do people see US.
Do this is a good video that gave me a new perspective.
thank you for that.
So he has went and bought a wife from South East Asia? Great!
A lot of lonely white men seem to do that these days...
No one in his right mind would consider his race to be any significant part of his identity, or would care about the race of his children or anyone else.
My God to just think that some of these people I have interacted with. Actually the people I've interacted with are worst than these people. Yeah, depressing describes these people. Wow.
I often say that if I could actually see the people I interact with online in real life, it wouldn't occur to me to take them seriously enough to talk to them.
Talk to them, most of them I wouldn't even look at them and if i did I would look away fast.
haha WHAT MAKES U ALL SO DIFFERENT FROM THEM?
I have and display self respect and respect for others. Many of them couldn't identify Self Respect in a line up.
Yea everyone can see the self respect and also the respect u have for others cheers
Thanks to The Guardian for showing the other side. It seems the most important mission of the news organization nowadays. To pierce that bubble of information we put ourselves inside, with "Curated" News Feed on Twitter, Facebook, Flipboard and RUclips.
Thanks, The Guadian Again! The best news organization.
I don't feel anger, nor do I feel depressed. It is interesting to know how people think differently.
why cant people see the hypocrisy in their own thinking. Some hypocrisy is inevitable but blatant double standards are pretty much a person's individual responsibility to correct....
Great cinematography.
By the way - hats off Kyrre Lien - it's beautifully shot/edited!
That crazy cat lady 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. This documentary is hilarious - these people!! I can't breathe.
The last guy gives me hope.
Very good documentary, although it would have been more balanced had they included more of the so-called "left" keyboard warriors. Some "liberal" tweeters are just as intolerant , irrational, and aggressive as the "conservative" ones.
I love this. Really sheds some light on the type of people who support the alt-right/pro trump/anti liberal movement. There's an underlying sadness to most of these people. I jumped between feeling pity to feeling derision for them. What struck me the most was the pattern of physical unattractiveness in these people. Almost all of them are severely overweight. I wonder if there's some kind of link between obesity and radical right wing views? Overall very interesting and very revealing :)
This is kind of why no one in the media saw Trump or Brexit coming.
Yes, these people are all very sad in many ways, but there are a LOT of them, and they know how they are looked down upon, and they voted themselves into power because they were tiered of being told they are disgusting and small. If we don't start fixing these major social problems and treating ALL people (even the disadvantaged ones in this video) like they DO matter, we'll see this kind of thing world wide with no return.
Listen: these people are legitimately in pain and suffering (even though their expression of it is crude and misdirected). This kind of video makes a clear attempt to show how disgusting these people are, totally dehumanizing them and making them into a group we can hate. We need to look at these people as ones who are generations-deep into a failed social system, who at their core are completely worthy of love, protection, society inclusion, and forgiveness.
Take them seriously and stop framing them in the ugliest light possible. We can do this, we can look past the ugly comments and see the truth of what needs to happen in our society to prevent this kind of madness. They have felt rejected from "Liberal" society and told they were disgusting since they were young, often because of poverty or physical condition. No wonder they don't feel like they have a place among progressives!
"If you don't initiate the young into the village, they will burn it down just to feel some warmth"
Brouhaha Ma Very well said.
Brouhaha Ma agree with you
Brouhaha Ma
I love the sentiment of your comment, but it's also a little naive, imo.
+Brouhaha Ma I don't know what it's like in the UK, but here in the US you ask the impossible. These are the people who don't want health coverage for everyone, caps on what CEOs earn, a basic living minimum wage, taxes on businesses, or assistance to the helpless. They think they have the right to carry loaded weapons into shopping malls, eliminate people by religion, and discriminate by race.
What can we do when they are so clueless, even about their own situation?
I hear you, Bongo155. I'm living in the Heartland of America and the folks around me run Red as can be. It's tough to look past and I do feel frustrated and often alone in my outlook. But we can't loose hope or give up on our fellow citizens.
This took a long time to create, and it will take a long time to fix. Understand that we need to be looking at the bigger picture-- we cannot fix this with such short-sighted vision as what lead us to the problem in the first place.
Immediately, we need to protect those without power, listen to those with grievances, understand where they come from (so we can avoid future mistakes) and provide support for rehabilitation after a lifetime spend in abuse and poverty.
Long term, we need to support a social structure of inclusion, health, education, and creativity that will produce future generations who are compassionate, well informed and active in positive change.
These people are seriously misguided. What's scary is seeing people who look really nice and friendly saying the most horrible things. They turn into monsters online
after watching this i will never write a comment on the internet again, bye
Came here for the comments. Was pleasantly surprised.
That Muslim girl was actually great. She was against Muslim Brotherhood while still having her religion.
The problem is that a large part of people's interactions are now online and where they are often anonymous. As social animals, we need real face to face relationships.
People, in general of course, don't normally act the way they do online. Can you imagine them saying these things to their targets face?
It's much harder to hate a real person when you see that they are just like you - a human being.
Thank you Reddit.
That's fine and all....but do none of these warriors know how to fit curtains to windows?
No one in his right mind would even recognize such a concept as "ethic decline." Ethnicity is not a relevant factor to a healthy individual's sense of self.
I'm trying really hard not to write rude comments about these people but wow!
The only one who sounds remotely reasonable is the Muslim woman.
Also Kjell, the guy in red
Which is why The Guardian chose her to be the one token leftie "troll" in a video of the most cartoonish versions of right wing politics they could find. If you want to see the craziness the other side gets up to look at anything ANTIFA related or check out some ISIS twitter.
Josie Fox and the last guy in my opinion as he changed and his comment about the harshest critics of immigration are those who do not have immigrants in their neighbour is spot on !
Couple of issues with your suggestion:
1. We know that Daesh (please stop using "ISIS", it's an outdated and wrong label) are a terrorist organization, so it's not surprising that their public posts would be full of hatred and logical fallacies.
2. The primary lesson from this video should be that "we" are wrong when we think these people only say their hateful statements online and wouldn't dare saying them out loud; in the video, you see multiple people who have no problem spewing hatred in public places, in front of children, in front of their IMMIGRANT SPOUSES (!!) etc.
Very interesting. It would be very rewarding to spread it in my country. I hope there is a translation into Spanish... please.
Trusting the media to act as a filter to view the world through. Yes that's going to end well. It couldn't possibly be that the Guardian is being politically selective in this presentation could it ?
Did he buy his wife out of a catalogue? 🤣😭
I've been binge watching 8 out of 10 cats does countdown so thanks for this refreshing comedic change I had some good laughs.
The guy is complaining about immigrants as his immigrant wife or gf brings him his coffee. What a hypocrite.
Why does the far left not understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration?
Well, because for most people it's pretty much impossible to immigrate legally, they don't have someone who wants to marry them like in this case. Being against illegal immigration and not caring to make legal immigration easier it's just being against immigration in general.
There are more ways to immigrate, and it's almost impossible, I'm telling you because I've been trying to find a chance to work in the USA. I know it's not a right, I know you don't have to trust I'd be a good citizen, just seems so rich when I hear "We are in favor of LEGAL immigration" when you don't have a problem with the system being what it is.
The system is what it is because no one (rightfully) wants to see those who move to their country be anything other then a net positive for their country and society. Even being average simply isn't good enough, you need to actively make the place you're going better to earn the privilege of moving to it.
Hell given the rate at which the US lets people immigrate to it legally, there's really no one who should be complaining given how much higher that rate is compared to most first world nations. It took Europe being flooded with illegal economic migrants for it to even catch up to the US on that front, and there's a very strong argument to be made that immigration should be slowed down for a good 20 years in the US to allow for assimilation and integration of the immigrants already there.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, legal immigration for you guys means as little immigration as possible, I would just respect that more if you just say it from the beginning. By the way, here's what non extraordinary people are doing to emigrate legally to the USA: www.aljazeera.com/programmes/101east/2016/12/fleeing-south-korea-161228075711093.html
some one should interview the same people now that Trump is trying to create ww3
Why would you want to preserve you're own ethnic group?
I feel like I need a shower after watching these people.
OMG I thought it was only me who felt that.
Is nobody going to mention the fact that this concluded on a hopeful note?
more worried about the dog than his views
.....the worst part is there are more of these people then there are good people in the world. Its all doomed.
I'm not sure if I'm more encouraged or more discouraged to know that this kind of inexplicable stupidity is not a uniquely American affliction.
BTW , it's not The Guardian that is behind the story , it's a Norwegian journalist . Guardian just bought the rights to show it.
Internet warriors cause unneeded drama just to vent out their insecurity, not because they want to have agreements over different viewpoints.
More people need to watch this.
For the price of a cup of coffee, you can get a coffee.
There is one thing all of those people have in common: Its not their belief in conservative thoughts or racism or being homophobic. They just want to be heard. They want other people to listen to them.
And that's why they are shouting on the internet.
Listen to those people, bring them back to our society and their hate against diversity will start to reduce.
8:45 I couldn't have said it better myself
So well done. However, Why didnt the direct challenge them, in the sense of questioning why they were actually doing what they do? Not to criticise but to get at the heart of why they do what they do? Personally i think that is where the story is... as for the second guy, does he seriously have no idea at of how the English came into being? The very thing he is describing as bad.
this comment section is nicer than what i expected
Life is too short to be like this, when you're on your death bed, are you going to be happy with your time spent on this earth if you spend your time like this?
Each to their own.
A bit of an anticlimactic question, but, which camera was used for this?
5D, I think. Will let you know if that turns out to be wrong.
Pieces like that are what I like about the guardian.
Fantastic but I wish it was 4 times longer - is there a feature in development?
this kind of issue happened in history and usually, people like them just slowly 'faded'.
A lot of decent hard working people in this video
The journalist should also have met people from "the other side" which are as aggressive as their counterparts. Because, as far as I know, a real war is happening on social media everyday between those internet warriors. This would have been a great way to evidence the gap between people nowadays. It would have made a great documentary !
the second dude is actually wrong. a wider pool of genes from parents of different races is almost always beneficial to offspring.
Kuraki He should get his Ancestry DNA done, might give him a few surprises.
Not at all, you're actually uneducated.
people with pets are crazy!
really cool concept well executed
I don't understand. What does the first guy meant when his wife has to go back home in 6 months after paying 4000 pounds and submitting documents? Didn't she receive permanent residency as a wife?
“I identify with my own race” what a closed off way of thinking. I don’t even identify with the human race a lot of the times, much less my own “race”
Is there a part 2? I found it frustrating that none of them were asked why they believed these things or why they felt the need to post their ideas. Also, why were there no names or locations?
"I'm an immigrant"
"no, you are my husband"
...what? A self proclaimed internet warrior using a logical fallacy to make a point? shocking {rolls eyes}
Well, I must admit that was VERY interesting, because it shows us that "normal" untouched (behind the screen) side of those women and men. I don't mean this as a positive or negative way, we often dehumanize extreme behaviours like those, maybe because we're scared to think about the fact that we're all made from the same mold, same "race" : humans. And we don't want to be seen as the same person as an extremist-racist-homophobic guy.
All I can see here in the comments is hate, but when you hate the hater and spread it, you become like the one you hate.
"Why do people troll?"
should be the title of this video.
Simple answer: its fun
These aren’t trolls though. They’re actual nutters who believe the mental nonsense they post.
To everyone pleading for understanding and compassion, just know that had you directed this same open mindedness to people of color you would become a prime target for this same abuse. This is what makes what you ask unrealistic, at least in the U.S. Because they overvalue their own suffering and tend to thoroughly discount and even mock everyone else's. Sometimes to a disgusting degree. Furthermore, the predatory capitalism that has allegedly preyed upon them is the same one they've voted for in election after election. Often because they were perfectly happy to vote against their economic interests if the candidate tossed the right people under the bus. At what point do they have an obligation to allow for the fact they're not the only people in pain? When do we call them out for their self-pity? Because they think it gives them license to lash out at everybody else in really vicious destructive ways.
I so agree with you. One of the WORST ever bogus social memes in history is the supposedly well intended notion of Unconditional Love. It has propagated the idea that one is acceptable -no matter what, and started the absolute landslide of people feeling entitled to chronically overvalue themselves at the expense of anyone and everyone else. Never before has there been a trend more damaging to the principles of fairness, justice, and decency. It is the perfect example of the road to Hell being paved with good intentions.
Little surprised I didn't see any Guardian writers on here, your actual articles are way worse than anything these losers put out.