@@badbradI played I a touring band from '92 to '99 then in a local band until 2004 and like you, I've got stories and unfortunately now when I tell whomever will listen I think I sound like the old guy. A lot of times I can tell people either don't believe me or think I'm crazy but back then if you played in a band it meant something. Anyway great channel keep it up!
@@badbradBrad thanks for the stories. I’ve been playing guitar 🎸 in church for a few decades and a few rock bands. I have some stories too, if you’re interested. I’ve tried starting some rock/country bands, practicing in my garage. The problem is, while I’m practicing almost everyday, making chord charts, maintaining amps, mics, soundboard, and providing a place to practice, other band members are obviously not practicing. Or they show up late, drunk, or no show. One night when band practice was over we had several people sleeping on the couch because they were too drunk to drive home.🙄
Unrecorded live gigs are on the same artistic level as gourmet cooking. They are both "art in the moment" that can only live on in memory. A recording captures the moment for posterity, but that recording does need to be preserved. Those of us who had to use tape back in the day have had life get in the way, to the extent of those recording often deteriorating or being lost outright. A recipe can be duplicated and recreated. Magical musical moments, not so much; the spontaneity factor is a critical element. Of course, what precious live recordings of my 20th Century work that I retained was digitized at the earliest opportunity, so I can share those fleeting moments with others to this day.
@@badbrad ...and some of the best moments came in rehearsal. It's like how a football team forges the bonds of brotherhood in the weight room, before the field. Metaphor is my strong suit.
Man this topic is hitting a lot of memories for me. Nights when you’re killing on stage, people getting your number for sessions and rarely does anything come out of it. The other thing ( for me) that was always weird are the nights when your playing in a different universe and hardly get any response simply because the band wasn’t a big name act. Go to an Arena and hear playing like that and the crowd is on its feet. So much of performance is perception. It’s like people see someone in a club kicking butt and think ( these are just club musicians) and it can’t be that great. It’s a strange place to be in for the players on stage.
So true, currently playing out most weekends, people ALWAYS come up and want a card saying they want you for a private party,they know the booker of a venue you’d be perfect for, a wedding, even can you give my son a guitar lesson or two, we’ll be at your next gig. Almost never does anything come from it.
I sang at 3rd and Lindsley all of the time when the stage was the L-shape in the the corner. I saw Leon Russell in the audience there once when we went to see our friend play. Our poor drummer had to squeeze into the corner. lol. Never got to play there after the renovations. I remember the sound guy cost $75 and someone had to sit at the door to collect the cover charge. That was the only place back in the day that had a cover charge. And yeah, no video or audio of so many gigs. That's why they called them "disposable". All you had was a memory of it. :) I went to Green Hills gym with my friend Michael. I think it was called just that. So many people went there. I used to walk the neighborhood afterwards, instead of the treadmill, and listen to Def Leppard with my portable CD player and earbuds. Great memories!
I was thinking of writing a comment and then you said it! Camcorders in the 80s were definitely nowhere near the standard of camera phones today. I've got a VHS of our first gig, sadly the light sensor in the camcorder wasn't good enough to be able to pick up any images of the stage lit gig and the microphone wasn't made for gig recording so the sound is comprised solely of distortion. I've tried with a friend who is a professional videographer to extract something from the taps to no avail 😔. We also found out after the event that an audience member recorded an early gig on cassette, "allegedly" the sound quality was great and it got distributed on tape sharing newsletter networks. It goes without saying that I've never seen or heard a copy of it 😡
these days. i write and record music for myself. its an outlet and a hobby. i put it out there on the net as what i call a historical record so when im dead my kids and thier kids can know about it. otherwise i dont play for the public anymore, the music scene has kinda died but the love of playing is still in me.. cheers..
Bar Room Banter, when peoples blood alcohol content is at the perfect level and every note they hear or have heard seems to fall in line with and mix perfectly in their brain and they believe that perfect feeling of musical sound is because of you. They will tell you about big plans of future events and happy times all related to what you have just done. Next day maybe not so much.
In the 80's most video cameras were rare or outright bad quality (sound & image). By then, 'video companies' were expensive to book ( in the 80's), it was not as common as today. Sometimes kids ask me if there's something on YT they can watch, I tell them, 'In the 80's there was no YT !', they struggle to believe it. Most of us were lucky if we had a 'My Space ' page (remember those?). As a guitar guy (rocker), didn't get into computers (reluctantly) until the early 90's ,when I understood that I could have a 'studio at home'! My Japanese friend, Toshi Hiraoka, was already way more acquainted with such tools (Greg Koch plays in some of his tracks from Expensive Dogs!). We were making 'electro' before it was a thing (a mix of electronica and rock), sending tapes back and forth, and Rockers would look down on us! There were people around, recording videos with Hi8mm video cameras or portable audio recorders but people usually had no platform to publish them, so as you say 'Dust in the wind'... The memories remain, and maybe it's better that way, they live inside us and the people who were there, in the moment. It was not as common as today. In a way, exciting times we live in ! As usual, sorry for the long comment . Take care Stay Human !
Sorry to hear about that rough experience-G’s issues and attitude weren’t a recipe for success. More on topic, though, that lick you played at the start was absolutely sick! Any chance you could slow it down and show us how you played it? It’s far too good to become 'dust in the wind.' If other players can learn from it or even incorporate parts into their own style, that lick could live on and inspire for years to come.
I’m not a ‘has been,’ definitely in the ‘never was’ camp. When I was halfheartedly going for it, I had a few moments to feel a bigger sense of accomplishment than I’d earned 😂. Sometimes I wish I had video proof, sometimes I’m more honest with myself and realize I would just ruin the fantasy stoner memories of what it was like. The reality would make me focus on every mistake instead. A few crowds of 150-300 people. One around 500 people. I’d show up with a solo rig and practiced gig, unusual sound,ready to go and not on the roster. I’d wait for signs of someone not showing up to the festival, or disorganization in the flow of sets. Volunteer to fill in.Between sets or impromptu fill s spot. I think I like the memories more than I’d like the vid. 😊I do wonder if anyone remembers it besides me.
music exists in the moment. recordings are for your ego. i don't miss anything. onstage with willie, i remember. i don't care if anyone else does. i play for me. if other people enjoy it that's nice.
All we. Are is Dust in the wind brother. A few hundred years from now we are all forgotton ,even elvis will be forgotten, i think "G" is most likely buried somewhere.
Hi Brad. I suppose the best gigs from yesteryear are only in your memory. If you can remember them. LOL. I didn't have any music career but one thing I learned early on about people coming up to you and saying I love your band, I love your playing. That's not what they really mean. They love how you made them feel when they were stoned/drunk. Period. Those people will rarely buy your records.
Very sad, all that effort. Why can't people wait till after. I worked with guys like that ,once I saw that I'd pack up and leave. Cigarettes really made it hard to play.
@Badbrad you always talking about the Whooten Bros. It's starting to be a thing around here. Gwen's in the Background "I'm gonna tell you what I'm get them there Whooten Brothas and Bad Brad we gonna go blow everyone away" in her best country voice. Lol Then the next time she'll say "oh there you go there's them Whooten Boys again" she's crazy.
@badbrad Thanks for proper spelling, and she was saying that because you were talking about Virgina, but we are in Missouri, and it's as country as you can get. She's silly, she's black she thinks everything sounds country. Lol
@badbrad Wooten, but they're must be something in the water there because we met Norm call him Stormin Normin he plays in the Brett Michael's Band i think he said he is from there and the other dude in the band is from there. Wow, lot's of talent. Norm is so passionate about music he goes to old folks' homes and parks to sing in the towns they tour in. He'd be a great interview, Brad. He's on Instagram a lot.
You’ve got an audience, make your best work now! Love the channel. Thanks, Brad
Thank you. I think the best work I can do now is through these stories.
@@badbradI played I a touring band from '92 to '99 then in a local band until 2004 and like you, I've got stories and unfortunately now when I tell whomever will listen I think I sound like the old guy. A lot of times I can tell people either don't believe me or think I'm crazy but back then if you played in a band it meant something. Anyway great channel keep it up!
@@badbradBrad thanks for the stories. I’ve been playing guitar 🎸 in church for a few decades and a few rock bands. I have some stories too, if you’re interested.
I’ve tried starting some rock/country bands, practicing in my garage. The problem is, while I’m practicing almost everyday, making chord charts, maintaining amps, mics, soundboard, and providing a place to practice, other band members are obviously not practicing. Or they show up late, drunk, or no show. One night when band practice was over we had several people sleeping on the couch because they were too drunk to drive home.🙄
Unrecorded live gigs are on the same artistic level as gourmet cooking. They are both "art in the moment" that can only live on in memory. A recording captures the moment for posterity, but that recording does need to be preserved. Those of us who had to use tape back in the day have had life get in the way, to the extent of those recording often deteriorating or being lost outright. A recipe can be duplicated and recreated. Magical musical moments, not so much; the spontaneity factor is a critical element. Of course, what precious live recordings of my 20th Century work that I retained was digitized at the earliest opportunity, so I can share those fleeting moments with others to this day.
You make a good point. The memories of the gigs and the time spent making the music are just as important as the recordings.
@@badbrad ...and some of the best moments came in rehearsal. It's like how a football team forges the bonds of brotherhood in the weight room, before the field.
Metaphor is my strong suit.
Love your channel and outlook brother, blessings
Appreciate you man!
that opening lick was sick
Thank you!!!
Man this topic is hitting a lot of memories for me. Nights when you’re killing on stage, people getting your number for sessions and rarely does anything come out of it. The other thing ( for me) that was always weird are the nights when your playing in a different universe and hardly get any response simply because the band wasn’t a big name act. Go to an Arena and hear playing like that and the crowd is on its feet. So much of performance is perception. It’s like people see someone in a club kicking butt and think ( these are just club musicians) and it can’t be that great. It’s a strange place to be in for the players on stage.
Man you hit it out of the park. So true.
So true, currently playing out most weekends, people ALWAYS come up and want a card saying they want you for a private party,they know the booker of a venue you’d be perfect for, a wedding, even can you give my son a guitar lesson or two, we’ll be at your next gig. Almost never does anything come from it.
Bar room banter I call it.
I freaking love this guy
🙏
I sang at 3rd and Lindsley all of the time when the stage was the L-shape in the the corner. I saw Leon Russell in the audience there once when we went to see our friend play. Our poor drummer had to squeeze into the corner. lol. Never got to play there after the renovations. I remember the sound guy cost $75 and someone had to sit at the door to collect the cover charge. That was the only place back in the day that had a cover charge. And yeah, no video or audio of so many gigs. That's why they called them "disposable". All you had was a memory of it. :) I went to Green Hills gym with my friend Michael. I think it was called just that. So many people went there. I used to walk the neighborhood afterwards, instead of the treadmill, and listen to Def Leppard with my portable CD player and earbuds. Great memories!
Those were the days....I miss the old 3rd and Lindsley!
Very cool
Thanks!
You rock Dana!!!
sick opening man - as good to the ear as any shredder out there
Thank you
I was thinking of writing a comment and then you said it! Camcorders in the 80s were definitely nowhere near the standard of camera phones today. I've got a VHS of our first gig, sadly the light sensor in the camcorder wasn't good enough to be able to pick up any images of the stage lit gig and the microphone wasn't made for gig recording so the sound is comprised solely of distortion. I've tried with a friend who is a professional videographer to extract something from the taps to no avail 😔. We also found out after the event that an audience member recorded an early gig on cassette, "allegedly" the sound quality was great and it got distributed on tape sharing newsletter networks. It goes without saying that I've never seen or heard a copy of it 😡
So many moments lost to time….
Thx Brad. That is harsh truth. Wow, did you say you met Desmond Child? That's something else. Naw, dude, keep your chin up, man. YOU ROCK!
I never met him but a lot of my gym friends did.
@badbrad Oh, ok. My bad. Thx brother.
Thanks bro!
It’s much better to be a has been, than a never was. 😂 I totally understand. I really enjoy your channel and stories. Keep on keeping on.👍🏻
Thank you so much!!
these days. i write and record music for myself. its an outlet and a hobby. i put it out there on the net as what i call a historical record so when im dead my kids and thier kids can know about it. otherwise i dont play for the public anymore, the music scene has kinda died but the love of playing is still in me.. cheers..
Cheers brother!
Bar Room Banter, when peoples blood alcohol content is at the perfect level and every note they hear or have heard seems to fall in line with and mix perfectly in their brain and they believe that perfect feeling of musical sound is because of you. They will tell you about big plans of future events and happy times all related to what you have just done. Next day maybe not so much.
Next day nada
In the 80's most video cameras were rare or outright bad quality (sound & image). By then, 'video companies' were expensive to book ( in the 80's),
it was not as common as today. Sometimes kids ask me if there's something on YT they can watch, I tell them, 'In the 80's there was no YT !', they struggle to believe it.
Most of us were lucky if we had a 'My Space ' page (remember those?). As a guitar guy (rocker), didn't get into computers (reluctantly) until the early 90's ,when I understood that I could have a 'studio at home'! My Japanese friend, Toshi Hiraoka, was already way more acquainted with such tools (Greg Koch plays in some of his tracks from Expensive Dogs!).
We were making 'electro' before it was a thing (a mix of electronica and rock), sending tapes back and forth, and Rockers would look down on us!
There were people around, recording videos with Hi8mm video cameras or portable audio recorders but people usually had no platform to publish them, so as you say 'Dust in the wind'...
The memories remain, and maybe it's better that way, they live inside us and the people who were there, in the moment. It was not as common as today. In a way, exciting times we live in !
As usual, sorry for the long comment .
Take care Stay Human !
Well said Brother! Interesting times indeed. I miss the old MySpace…..
Sorry to hear about that rough experience-G’s issues and attitude weren’t a recipe for success. More on topic, though, that lick you played at the start was absolutely sick! Any chance you could slow it down and show us how you played it? It’s far too good to become 'dust in the wind.' If other players can learn from it or even incorporate parts into their own style, that lick could live on and inspire for years to come.
RUclips has a speed feature in the tab you can slow it down without changing the key. It starts with an A minor arpeggio.
I’m not a ‘has been,’ definitely in the ‘never was’ camp. When I was halfheartedly going for it, I had a few moments to feel a bigger sense of accomplishment than I’d earned 😂. Sometimes I wish I had video proof, sometimes I’m more honest with myself and realize I would just ruin the fantasy stoner memories of what it was like. The reality would make me focus on every mistake instead. A few crowds of 150-300 people. One around 500 people. I’d show up with a solo rig and practiced gig, unusual sound,ready to go and not on the roster. I’d wait for signs of someone not showing up to the festival, or disorganization in the flow of sets. Volunteer to fill in.Between sets or impromptu fill s spot. I think I like the memories more than I’d like the vid. 😊I do wonder if anyone remembers it besides me.
I get that. I bet you were great!👍🏻
music exists in the moment. recordings are for your ego. i don't miss anything. onstage with willie, i remember. i don't care if anyone else does. i play for me. if other people enjoy it that's nice.
I hear ya.
All we. Are is Dust in the wind brother. A few hundred years from now we are all forgotton ,even elvis will be forgotten, i think "G" is most likely buried somewhere.
I think you are right.
AnalogMan is the best.....
He modded an old Ross compresser for me......!!!
Right on!
Record everything and I do
Right on
You only remember the bad ones.
Or the wild ones…
Hi Brad. I suppose the best gigs from yesteryear are only in your memory. If you can remember them. LOL. I didn't have any music career but one thing I learned early on about people coming up to you and saying I love your band, I love your playing. That's not what they really mean. They love how you made them feel when they were stoned/drunk. Period. Those people will rarely buy your records.
That is the harsh reality, the music was the backdrop!
LSD strikes again! Unfortunately
lol
Very sad, all that effort. Why can't people wait till after. I worked with guys like that ,once I saw that I'd pack up and leave. Cigarettes really made it hard to play.
Yes wait till the session is done
@Badbrad you always talking about the Whooten Bros. It's starting to be a thing around here. Gwen's in the Background "I'm gonna tell you what I'm get them there Whooten Brothas and Bad Brad we gonna go blow everyone away" in her best country voice. Lol Then the next time she'll say "oh there you go there's them Whooten Boys again" she's crazy.
“Wooten” brothers and they don’t have southern accents…
@badbrad Thanks for proper spelling, and she was saying that because you were talking about Virgina, but we are in Missouri, and it's as country as you can get. She's silly, she's black she thinks everything sounds country. Lol
@badbrad Wooten, but they're must be something in the water there because we met Norm call him Stormin Normin he plays in the Brett Michael's Band i think he said he is from there and the other dude in the band is from there. Wow, lot's of talent. Norm is so passionate about music he goes to old folks' homes and parks to sing in the towns they tour in. He'd be a great interview, Brad. He's on Instagram a lot.
@@BudRV thanks for the tip!!!
Why are we whispering?
Shhhh it’s a secret
@badbrad Lol. I guess so. Thanks.
I hope G. got sober!
I'm not sure he is still around....
Why don’t skeletons play the blues?
You got me
@ they don’t have the guts!badump bump!
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