Absolutely 100% this. Unless they commit to releasing details on the resin or how to use other resins with it if they fail... you can't really commit to this.
I think that if Bambu Lab came with their own proprietary spools impossible (or very difficult) to swap to 3rd-party filaments, they would not have succeeded.
What happened if the locked proprietary setting does not work on your specific environnement also I know with the heater normally it is more under control but still I see variation between people using same resin same printer because temp and humidity is different. Also what happen if you want to print with very specific resin ultracraft is not offering like some rubber like resin or nylon like ultra sturdy resin that can’t be destroyed (well this is what the brand is saying 😂) from a specific vendor…
@@SeithonJetter A $1400 price tag plus a walled garden? That seem like a bad idea for a myriad of reasons. I would worry about the first hit is free, but then we are going to jack up the prices due to "operating costs" or production cost increase or whatever late stage capitalist term they wanna use.
$65 for 1kg of resin is still 3 times what I've been paying for Sunlu ABS Like (which I regularly find 2kg bottles on amazon for $40). Dialing in a resin is a one time cost. Once you've got it dialed in, you don't have to spend more time on it with every new bottle. I think your position as a reviewer of these machines (and resins) where you're always having to dial stuff in skews your perception of what most people who print to supply their hobby (instead of printing as a hobby), which is find one or two resins they like, dial them in once, and never have to bother with it again. Over time, the extra cost HeyGears resins (and the single point of failure if HeyGears makes changes you don't like) is just far more expensive than a couple days spent dialing in a new resin that is likely to be the only resin you use.
I just don't see it. I mean, certainly it's the best printer if money is no object. But resin printing isn't like FDM printing- It's already a lot easier. When the Bambu X1 was new and Bambu's only offering, it was a terrific upgrade over the various $200-$500 ender 3 derivatives that had the market locked up. But comparing HeyGears to Elegoo's offerings, I feel like HeyGears has priced themselves above the prosumer market and into the lowest end of the enterprise market.
Trust me - as someone who has owned just about every big brand and many of the more niche ones in all different sizes - it's not even in the same galaxy as EVERY single other consumer resin printer on the market. Quality of hardware, quality of prints, ease of use, how good the slicer is... I have the pulsing release module and it allows you to make your support contacts so unbelievably small that minis not only look the best of any printer I've ever used - there is next to no clean up. It's just that good.
The only downside is I wish the plate was bigger & the resins were cheaper but heygears new prototype resin is $45/KG and it's just as good as their $60/KG mini specific resin imo and they're both some of the best miniature resins I've used on the market. Super high detail and yet more durable and flexible than most ABS likes. Also after dealing with companies like Phrozen and elegoo my jaw almost dropped when I first got my reflex and 50 micron wasn't an option for some reason with the miniature resin (PAP10). I submitted a ticket right through the slicer and had a message back AND it was fixed in the slicer with an update in less than 2 HOURS. After years of dealing with most of the consumer resin printer companies I simply forgot that customer service and a company that appreciates you even AFTER you bought their product could exist. It is hands down the best printer you can buy right now. Sure, it's expensive. But if you have the money you won't regret pulling the trigger. The only downside is you'll never be able to go back to the slop we've been fed from all the "competitors". Ps - you can go back to faux hammers first video on this printer and find a comment from me bashing the crap out of it. After bad experiences with all the other printers out there I gave the reflex a shot and I'm a true believer now.
@@matthewhaworth5935 The pulse release module just appears to reduce the peeling force, which is why you can use weak supports. And based on the descriptions it uses the module and a special film on the special vat, probably ACF, to achieve it. Tilt vats like the one on the Saturn 4 Ultra can achieve lower peel forces just through mechanical advantage.
Not sure who in their right mind would buy heygears over the Saturn 4 ultra, i could have 3 or 4 printers for the price of 1… and ontop of that, heygears has a small baseplate. Only thing that will be worth upgrading my Saturn 4 ultra, is something with a 15 inch lcd screen/plate.
@@HypeShadow27 Personally I've considered it. I don't print enough to need 4 printers, and I don't consume resin at a fast enough pace that would see proprietary resin eat my wallet. But something I could set and forget is super appealing with limited time.
@@ZeeLobby But how many resins do people really use? but realistically with resin (not having done it for a few years now) 90% would be done in grey with a particular brand ie elegoo. so is it worth the 4x to get a printer that is limited to what they sell just in case you want to try something different.
@@mrfoameruk For me and the easy integration? Yes. I engineer parts with different properties and would probably swap around within the ecosystem. There's also a guarantee here that if they change the formula it'll just work. There are tons of examples on r/resinprinting of people buying the exact same resin, same brand, and having to tweak their settings. Or settings differing from machine to machine. Now whether that's due to environmental factors, inconsistency in resin production or inconsistency in machine production I have no clue. But obviously with this pricetag the expectation is that consistency will be exact. It's the difference of going with a company that entered a more hobbyist price point from professional and those that chase bottom budget and came from FDM or other budget printers. Heygears support is also supposedly phenomenal. As a side there's also been videos of people using other resin brands in these printers by simply filling the vat, so that's always another option if mass producing more budget prints with a resin that works at the same settings is available.
Yep GK is pre leveled has a heater and you can use their slicer and use their profile if you don’t want the hassle of exposure test. Eventually you can lower exposure by 0.1s every print until failure appear. Resin printing is so much simpler than fdm with all the stuff like flow calibration pressure advance retraction temp gap for supports infill pattern… resin printing is just about leveling your printer (and recent one don’t need that) and enjoy and this experience start with printer way below 500$ with 30$ resin bottle. Guys don’t fear about resin printing it is messy but not that difficult with recent printer / slicer and it does not need to invest that much to start in the hobby.
Well it's $1400 but I would say the same thing at that price too. Resin printers are mostly already ridiculously priced considering how simple of machines they are. I do have a GK2 and frankly I can't see what the big deal is. It has a heater and double the price, crazy. Just get the cheap one and add a heater. They all use the same shitubox proprietary crap anyway.
Price, small build plate, expensive resin. This might be ok for making 40mm and smaller minis, but you can forget vehicles, large solid busts and pretty much anything that isn't a 40mm or smaller mini. Ill stick with my Saturn 2.
@@AddestVision I print human size minis up to 108mm scale on my reflex. Trust me I wish the plate was bigger it's definitely my biggest con with it but it has a decent Z height so you can often fit things bigger than you would expect for the plate size.
Once dialed in the Saturn 2 is just as good as any other printer, and at $200 for the refurb version it's amazing value. Of course, the whole point to HeyGear is that you don't need to dial it in. But then I think most of us on this channel are here because we're tinkerers.
@@lanzer22 So what did you actually have to dial-in with the Saturn 2? If you buy elegoo resin you just copy & paste the values that elegoo gives for their resin and you are good to go. So what is the big difference with HeyGear? The real difference is that Saturn 2 gives you both options. To tinker or not tinker whatever you prefer.
@@marcdevries9027 I do wish things are as simple as cut and paste 100% of the time, but I have a variety of resin, many of them not from ELEGOO. There is also setting changes in winter vs summer printing depending on where you live. This aspect of testing and trial & error is what many of us are used to, while many are happy to pay and not have to worry about it
@@lanzer22 Oh, but you will have to worry about it, because this printer will need the same setting changes in winter vs summer as it does not have an inbuilt heater. for that crazy price they should have it made built-in so that you actually don't have to worry about it. And you want a variety of resin bigger than what Elegoo offers? Well, you're out of luck with this printer as well, since you can only use their resin. So I don't understand your arguments.
Sorry, but requiring proprietary resin is a pass. Completely anti consumer and not worth buying. You're saying you aren't bought, but how can you suggest this is the best printer when it's overpriced and requires propriety resin? You're at the liberty of their resin being consistent and why should they really care? You have to buy their resin. They can set the price because you can't just buy a different brand of resin.
Bought the full system using your code, code didn’t add two bottles only one, emails customer service, 5 min reply, they fixed it and added 5 more bottles. Received printer, had it up and running in 30 min, put a complex model in that would crush my FDM printer, came out 100% perfect. No longer interested in tweaking printers, it just works perfectly. LOVE the slicer. Thank you so much for the reviews!
For engineering work/prototyping, this is the only printer I've considered. The printer is a tool for me. I don't want to mess with settings, or anything like that... ever. Just want it to work so I can focus on other things. I think that is the sort of work flow this printer for. For those who aren't into the hobby of resin printing and simply use it the same way you'd use a hammer.
My question to YOU Ross is this: Do you want to encourage more 3d printer manufacturers into making anti-consumer decisions like proprietary resins? Do you want to reward a company that does this? I dont. Would you have bought this printer if you did not get it for free? Which is why I refuse to support this entire brand. Its not for the average person. They should stick to their original target audience of printer farms/businesses. any machine that doesn't let me use any resin I want or even let me adjust settings to my liking is DOA. The machine is expensive, the resin (even their cheap resin) is expensive compared to the market. No point to this machine unless you are running a print farm. If you are in that very specific user case than yes no question this is a great printer. But for the average hobbyist the price tag and proprietary consumables is too much.
resins needing different settings is a problem, but the solution is not "buy this printer that requires its own special resin and hope resin you like works" the solution needs to be standardizing. fdm printers don't have proprietary fdm functions, they simply just standardized. buying an fdm printer usually means it'll work as intended even if you have one of the more fiddly ones. What happens when this company cant make resin anymore? This is the problem. i don't want to spend a grand or more on a printer with a shelf life.
If it looks like a commercial, sounds like a commercial and feels like a commercial......its probably a commercial. Someone is making money, and at $1400 for a resin printer, its not the buyers. *EDIT* All that being said, I bought one! Thanks for the discount code.
Fair enough. If you are happy with your pick, that is what matters. But other people may want different things and a different experience is all. This offers much that the Saturn doesn’t and vise versa.
@@FauxHammer I don't see if offering much that the Saturn does not support. Only 1 thing: their supposedly smaller supports. But since the whole review you have just been repeating the marketing lines from HeyGear I don't know if I can believe you on that part. I don't know if that is really worth thousands of extra dollars compared to another printer. I suggest you make a new video where you compare the benefits HeyGears claims for their supports and compare it to other things that let you use smaller supports like the tilting vat. To let viewers see how much difference it makes and if it is useful to spend extra money on it. That would definitely be a video that a lot of people would want to watch.
@@marcdevries9027 it really is more than smaller supports, it's teh whole workflow. look, the dfifference is like. Oooh, I wnat to print something... oh but i need to do this and that, and slice and maybe support, hollow. check it, print. some party fails, re-support. print again. and Oooh, I want to print something... Print If you are happy with a Saturn mate, stick with a Saturn, you probably know enouh about getting good prints to avoid most of the issues you may have anyway. you havce already gone through that jhourrney so this probably isn;t for you. But please don't accuse me of regurgitating Marketing BS, becase the effort I have put in to fight marketing BS on this channel is more effor than I put into any other aspect. Suffice to say, that accusation is insulting. All the other brands sput nothing more tahn makrketing BS with 8k 16k and all that shit. we even now have 18 micron printers which are making prints worse than larger 24 or even 30 micron printers, but they push it like it;s better! Heygears marketing is not bullshit... it's professional and accurate. Could they be a but clearer, yes. but they aren;t playing the silly childiung game everyone else is.
I didn't turn my nose up do to proprietary resins. It's the stupid expensive price that turns me off! If I want to spend that much I'll look at the Formlabs line!
Absolutely not! I’ll stay in the spirit of the likes of Phrozen, Uniformation and Elegoo machines. My Gk 2 was the easiest thing to setup and get printing, if you want this type of printer get a Formlabs machine.
$2.2k AUD for the printer and $75 AUD for 1L of resin... LMAO, sorry but printer is not worth 2.2k... feels like a scam jesus... while yeah HeyGears has some nice features but not much compared to other printers like the new Saturn 4. I'm going to be honest I own a Saturn 2 and I got it for around $550AUD several years ago, and I can tell you that it's a pretty decent machine, and from many other reviews I've seen online of different printers I honestly believe no one should be paying anything more than $1,000 for a resin printer no matter how many 'features' they have. My Saturn 2 can print as low as 23 microns but I print between 30 and 40 microns and it can print pretty details stuff.. there is no need for a printer to cost over 1k.
£50 a bottle is a hard no 😂 and no. It's not more economical when accounting time to dial it in. Dialling is a one off time sink, about an hour in actual my time. A one off cost. Then resin half the price of that hey gears 🤣🤣
Heya. I hear you. And you are totally right to make a call regarding train balue to ho7z But as mentioned in the video. The best you are getting in that hour is exposure times dialed in. But you won’t get lift and retract speeds. Wait times required to avoid early layer compression. What UV penetration do you have? What is your XY tolerance? Did you know the tensile strength of your resin and can use that to mathematically determine the fewest and thinnest support contacts to ensure the best quality model with the smallest amount of cleanup? Again. If you are happy with what you paid, and what you have and what your results are. That is fine and I support that. But I’m responding lively because I want to ensure that people understand the difference.
Sorry, I'd rather have the convenience of using any resin brand that I prefer than to be locked into an overpriced singular system. I own 2 Elegoo Saturn 3 Ultras and they print flawlessly with the same amount of detail that your video shows here. I agree however that the manufacterers of resin printers should try to emulate the Bambu take on printing tech and features.
Great that they basically eliminated the fine calibration steps, but that's not resin printing's biggest barrier to entry. What I want is a single wash/cure machine that I can transfer my build plate to so I never need gloves. That and a printer with a pump to drain the vat back to the bottle so I can go a month between prints without worrying about resin going bad and stinking up the room. Once resin printing feels less like a school science project I'd buy again in a heartbeat, that's the real problem to solve.
Yes, it’s the mess and toxins wot does it for lots of my mates. That’s one of the reasons I use water washables like Wargamer in the main. Every little helps.
You lost me at proprietary resin. Would I buy this? No. If you buy this printer, this company holds you by the balls if you want to print on it and they can charge as much as they want for thier resin.
Seriously, 2000$ for a printer plus over 130$ for a bottle of resin, I'm out. I would invest 100% more on myself than spend over 2k for a home resin printer. It's just a complete nonsense to me.
This is a "trying to be" of the Formlabs Form4. That machine has resins that are pretty proprietary to Form4, but it'll let you adjust exposure for other resins. That said, there's a huge price difference. Proprietary resin printers really come down to the quality of the resin. If that is top notch for what you need, then you know you'll get great prints every time.
Should be noted the Formlabs Form4 for the basic unit is $4,499.00 versus the Ultracraft Reflex for $1,399 = but if you use the code for 200 off its down to $1,199 and thats with 2 bottles of resin. So there is a huge difference for sure. The Formlabs resin for the Form4 is $99 per liter = ouchie. HeyGears resin for pac10 is about $45. So I think Formlabs just priced themselves out of the hobby printing market twice over; one on the printer itself and two, with the overpriced resin. Now that some people have used third party resins successfully with the Ultracraft Reflex, we are seeing another reason to possibly buy their printer besides the awesome self supports. For now I will use my Saturn 3 Ultra for a couple of years at least then look and see if HeyGears makes a larger build area unit.
@theVariedLife Well, one is designed as a hobby tool, while the other is designed as an industrial machine. They really aren't the same, but I see as a hobby version of the Form4, with obviously a lot less features. I thought of buying this printer, but after realizing that the k8ts I make require mechanical tolerances, I chose the way more expensive printer. Yes, it's a tough sale, but now having people pay me to print kits in IMO the best resin out there by far, it's afforded me the purchase price.
@@jasonc212 I had a form 3+ that failed 14 months after purchase with "motherboard issues" Told it could not be fixed and I would have to buy new machine. needless to say I did not do this. Appalling service, they seem slick but very poor in reality especially if your in UK. Avoid
Thanks for the video and your insight. You recommend the printer, but what is your opinion on their wash and cure station? Are they as worthwhile or is there another brand you could recommend for much cheaper and an identical experience. They did not seem too "revolutionary."
made that mistake with a phrozen 8k, nice machine, but too pricy, and this is 1400USD plus shipping, VAT and import tax. so 2K USD in Denmark.. no thanks.
The level of clean detail that thing achieves is just stunning! As for the resin price, I feel compelled to ask - how much production does a bottle of their resin get you? I know the answer is likely, "How long is a piece of string?", because it'll depend on what you're printing. I just think it would be interesting to see how many things, say minis for example, can be printed using a single bottle of resin. Kind of like, how many orcs are in a bottle of resin? You know? Just looking at their website, $2389 for the printer, the wash station, and the cure cupboard isn't too bad, considering what this thing will do. For making tiny stuff, resin printers in general just can't be beat. Can you imagine one with a build plate the size of an X1-Carbon? Now THAT would be cool!!
Ugh, I hate resin printing, even though I got back into it. But, 80% of what I hate about it is dealing with failures and spending forever wearing a gas mask to do cleanup. I don't think I will ever get around the HAZMAT requirements of resin printing, but I think it would make a huge difference to not have so many blasted failures. It is really tempting to save up for one of these and give it a shot.
For me the biggest concern really is the printer being locked to propietary resin. Of course I don't expect it to be anything more than a bog standard printer woth a 3rd party resin, but having the option is nice. Otherwise you have to trust the company will outlive the printer, won't use their leverage to raise prices, and will continue to provide product and service for your specific usecase. Whereas if I can use and tweak the printer like a regular one with 3rd party resin, suddenly I've got an amazing tool that doesn't become useless or harder to use than a typical resin printer if something happens to the proprietary resin supply. Options reduce risk, and the risk is scary, whether it's a realistic risk or not.
You did a better job of selling the slicer than you did of selling the printer lol. Looks like a very basic printer with no fancy features at all. And the only problems I have with my printer is the slicer. Reminds me of a video of Maker Muse did where he took a modern FDM slicer and used it on an old ass printer and got a massive quality improvement.
I've been waiting endlessly for a printer that can do what the Reflex does. No troubleshooting, perfect prints, no fucking with supports, no flashdrives. Just click print like i would on a 2d printer, and there it is. I dont give a fuck if the resin is x2 the normal cost. I've been printing for 4 years now, and I'd estimate that half the resin I've paid for was used on exposure tests, failed prints, vat cleaning because of failures, and supports that were bigger than they needed be. Shut up and take my money 💰
Honestly, this video convinced me. I'm still a year out from adding a Resin printer to join my fdm printer. But I got the x1 Carbon for the same reasons you've listed, and they are similar prices. Now that the resin prices are lower I'm very tempted. I just wish there was a wash and cure station that was affordable and wasn't jank or hand made. I'd probably still get the heygears set, but maybe much later than the actual printer itself.
Well I just bought it all,with the discount the sell for me is the lowering of the resin and more is coming out at lower prices If I don’t have to sit here and worry about if a have supports are right,slicers adding useless features. Which most are useless pre-supporting as a joke on all the slices they even tell you this outright. I used to get my resin figures from China from E 2046 would take a month or so to get here a larger process, but it was high-quality But if you messed one up, you were SOL My idea of buying a 3-D printer as I can get the same figures pretty much and if I break one of the paint job comes out like shit with a 3-D printer, I can front now I don’t have to pay for a monthly slicer they seem to have great Tech-Support and I will sell my printers plus I know you can use other third-party resins, which are all try when I run out of the ones I bought so look at it this way The prices of printers are going up of decent ones anyway they keep adding new gadgets slowly the GK 3 if you didn’t get the early bird is $1599 ultracraft reflex with the coupon by itself $1199. So what makes more sense a printer that gives you perfect print you don’t have to spend so much time supporting and hoping The other things they sell, you could probably live without. I happen to like the car station because it says the information from the printer to the car station and calculate how much time but that is a lot of money So anybody thinking about buying a new printer like the GK3 go with this one instead
Same, I bought gk3 but it is amazing dont let anything change you, everyone will talk about gk3 and nobody will talk about this one because it's also like 2600$
45 pounds for a liter of resin is still A LOT. I am getting anycubics default resin for almost 12€ per l of ebay if I by in bulk (4 bottles). I agree that the reliability that proprietary resin and software provides is amazing, but in this case the resin, at least for me is still too expensive. This is also coming from someone who owns a gktwo, and is willing to spend money on quality product with qol features, but if I am running through 10 l of resin in 2-3 month, the math is not mathing.
Nah Couple reasons, first off, there's no way on God's green earth I'd lock myself into proprietary resin. Especially when it's twice the price of other resins out there. Then there's the small build plate. I do statues. Any time I save on the front end, I'll spend on the back end filling seams. And last, I'm retired. I have more time than money. I don't have an issue dialing in the settings for a couple resins. I don't doubt it's a good printer, but not for me, and I suspect lots of others out there.
‘Getting on with my Hobby is’ the reason I walked from resin for a couple years now… but just like the X1C it is too steep in price for the volume available. A1 is the sweetest spot where the getting on doesn’t break the bank and I can put the money into the materials I want the finished products to be. GK3 sounds tempting but is equivalent to the CR-10 in getting on with getting on. Next spring sounds like the time to reevaluate, if this innovation keeps pace Resin can become at tool and not a project itself.
Hey Ross, just purchased. Biggest reason is time savings. I like to print 1/6th scale models. I usually hollow with 2mm thickness. Do you see an opportunity with the heygears printer and resin to go thinner on the walls? Just trying to save money on the resin. I was thinking if I can get thinner walls with the same accuracy, then maybe I can fill the model with a two-part casting resin (cheaper than the heygears resin) to compensate for any weakness of the walls. What do you think?
Depends how well you are willing to dial this in. But the result is in better ease of use here. This printer is literally, load model. Press auto supports. Print.
This printer has solved so many problems I’ve had with resin printing over the years. I’m a small business, I don’t have time to fiddle with exposures etc. Resin printing is one step in my production process, and not something I want to fiddle with. I feel like I’m the target market for this printer as I don’t care about the price of resin etc. The cure station is great too. It’s solved so many pain points for me. Build quality is great, support actually cares and replies quickly, etc etc etc
Thanks for sharing. I have such polarising comments here. So many people who have not used this saying “this is shit and not worth the money” to people who have used it and they have all echoed how amazing it is. It’s so hard to explain how good this is without having tested it yourself.
It is encouraging to see a shift toward a more user-friendly style of printer, but until you can put any resin in to the machine and have it calibrate itself; it's not comparable to the Bambu model. All you're getting for the high price tag is a printer that's locked to specific presets. Bambu price their machines very reasonably along with the smart calibration features, which is what has made them so successful. Also... It's hard to see how this could be considered a "support my hobby" machine when you could buy enough miniatures to keep you going for a couple of years for the same price. Thanks for the review though, it was very informative.
Nice job Ross. You've convinced me and overcome all of my objections. Unfortunately, I've got three resin printers now (two of them brand new) and I'm not in the market for another. But for those who are in the market and serious enough to lay down $1,400, this is very valuable information. You've hit upon the philosophy perfectly. I want a user experience from soup to nuts that is clearly superior to the alternatives at the price or under, and I'm willing to spend more to get it. Too bad HeyGears doesn't have a half price version that has 95% of the goodness like Bambu does.
And what happens if cheap resin gets discontinued? I'm pretty sure HeyGears did not make any obligations which would prevent them from doing such an "evil" action to increase revenue from people who has no choice :) I'm believe that you wouldn't buy this printer, because this thing is not cheap, it's basically steps into formlabs level and have significant risks of company screwing you up.
i think a lot of people get starstruck by the price tag and dont really contemplate what it means to own a printer for me, i bought an ender 3 pro a few years ago and started printing anything and everything. what i didnt realize was the amount of failed prints, calibrations, upgrades, recalibrating the upgrades, etc etc all made me go insane because the 3d printing wasnt supplementing my life or my hobbies, it WAS the hobby. its kind of like buying a prius and then trying to turn it into a ferrari because you like driving racecars. its affordable, and you potentially could do it, but the amount of time you waste makes you wonder if theres a better way i bought the bamboo lab x1c and it was literally like being born again. i could just PRINT stuff and not have to endlessly tinker with any settings and failures over and over. now im looking at this heygears printer and getting an itchy trigger finger because all the set up of resin printing reminds me of that same garbage i went through with my ender
I think a lot of people already own a printer and know very well what it means to own a printer. Most probably found this channel when they searched for reviews for deciding what printer they would buy. And that is why people recognize that this review is extremely biased. A lot of people are willing to spend some extra money to have less failed prints and in general make their life easier. Bamboo seems to do that with only slightly higher prices. And without any drawbacks. (I have two resins printers, so maybe I miss something important on the Bamboo printers?) A completely different situation to HeyGear.
I am sure this is the best resin printer you have, so I'm not surprised that it is the one you use. And it looks fantastic. But it is also one of the most expensive. I would love to have this printer, but I just can't spend over a grand on a printer to make my toys. And this one costs 2 grand (AUD). Why does it have to cost 2 or 3 times as much as an 'ultra' model in the cheaper brands? If it were like 20% more than an ultra... maybe even up to 50% more... I would entertain the idea. But its too much and I'm too poor.
I can't say for certain that it costs 2 to 3 times more to make than superficially comparable printers, but internally it's quite different from the sort of stuff you see in printers like the S4 Ultra. Truly custom board (with seemingly zero Chitu influence), better stepper motor, ball screw with multiple bearings on the Z axis, numerous NFC sensors for the recognition of various parts / bottles, integrated power supply, force sensors on each corners of the floating screen platform, individually calibrated / compensated LCD screen, heated vat, etc. A lot of it seems quite custom. I don't think that a 20% increase in BOM compared to the S4U is realistic TBH, it's likely to be more than that. If you want to have a rapid look at its internals you can look at the FCC documentation. Where I do think they could make a bit of an effort in terms of pricing their items more proportionally to the BOM is some of the accessories. It's difficult for me to see how the PRM vat should cost this much more than the regular vat (even taking into account the genuinely harder to make release film stack), or why the PRM itself is that expensive (it's just an air pump), same for the LED calibration module, which is more than three times more expensive than Chitu's UV meter (OK it operates on a different wavelength but still...).
Still a hard pass for me. I was interested at the start because I thought you were here to tell us they came to their senses and lowered the insane prices of their resin. But if offering 1 single type of resin at a somewhat reasonable price is enough to make you do a complete 180 on your previous comments..... it comes off pretty bad. Considering you are financially motivated to convince us now. As others pointed out, what stops them from raising the price in 6 months to match the others? What happens of they go under, or otherwise stop production of the resins? This is a LOT of money for a person to risk without addressing these major issues. Please don't take this as a "waaaaah, you're a shill" comment. Just stating that the optics of this don't come off great.
Not taking this as a wahhhh comment. You are entitled to your opinion as am I. I’m just as financially motivated as I always was. I had affiliate links in my video. I’m not sure why anyone is reading into this anymore than what I said or what the optics are bad… I don’t really care how it “looks” to some people. Most have seen that my comments here do not negate what I previously said. But also, this new resin is great, I love it fur minis and being sub £50 is a much easier ask than more than £70 No if you still don’t want this because of proprietary resin… that’s fair, I still support your choice, I always want people to buy what is right for them… But, how else would you do it. Other have suggested… open this up to other resins… but then you loose the main value of what this system offers… so why do it? I also suspect, as I said, they are selling the machine at a loss to make it back on the so even if you wanted this hardware, but more open. I suspect you’d be looking at 3K or more for the machine alone… So if this is not for you. Please. Do not buy it But the fact to be aware of is that this is the best resin printer, and there are plenty of people out there who would pay for it and the resin fir the Bambu-like experience of drag-drop-support-print…
Always loved this printer but the price always threw me off. Spending more money for the convenience is big tho so now the cheaper resin is for sure talking to me. I really need to do more research between the gk3 and this or even the gk2 on a good sale in the future just because of the price.
The "better" approach to proprietary resin, is making their resin have attractive features, but still offer the ability to use others resin's just as easily. Let people post "profiles" for other resins like people do with Bambu and 3rd party filaments. Nobody should ever buy something like this with proprietary resin. Huge no from me.
I agree with that… I presume as I said, they are selling g the printer at a loss to make it back. But hey won’t be beaten until someone else comes along and charges 3K for this sort of hardware… But even then you are still stuck with… dial it in yourself… which looses all its value
There is a major difference between the machine have proprietary parts and code and forcing people to buy a consumable only from you. I don't care if their resin is $5 and the best quality out there forcing me to only buy their resin makes it so I'll never consider it even though it is an excellent printer.
I'm not much of a commenter, but I wanted to add my "why" for getting on board with this system. It's definitely a luxury, but if your budget can stand it, how much would you pay to a) have someone come over and dial in every bit of your settings from exposure to lift speed/distances, wait times, etc, knowing they have it exactly optimal, AND b) do custom supports on every mini with extraordinarily small contacts/little clean up. For me, the one-time $ hit and price of premium resin, which I use anyway, is totally worth it. I know it's a luxury, but looking forward to the reliable quality and time-saving.
If money is not an issue, and you do not want to tinker, then why buy a 3D printer at all? Just have someone else print it for you. It's probably a lot cheaper and even less hassle than buying this printer.
I just ordered using your code! Thanks! I see in your earlier video you use advanced to reduce tip size (and don't use sphere contacts). When you reduce tip diameter, do you increase support density (for more supports)?
Nope it seems to just work. In the 30+ prints I’ve done since doing this. I had one minor fail on an extruded thumb. Manually added 2 more supports to that part, printed again and it’s beautiful .
@@FauxHammer thanks so much for the fast reply. I’m a loyal sub and was happy to be able to use your link for the purchase. I’m picking up the prm too. Keep the great content coming!!
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As a user I want drag and drop like end to end experience. But its still a long way to go. models, supports slicer and printers aren’t at this point yet.
Ok man I am super torn on printers now. I have watched so many of your videos and thought I had a printer picked out and then I watch this. Please recommend one to me. I am not driven by price but would like to stay under $2500. I want as large of a plate as I can get. I dont like to tinker with printers, I just want to print and enjoy painting. And I would like a clean print but don't care what about the 12K 14K 8K thing. Please help me with your best pick for those requirements.
I am upset that I can only give 1 like to this video. I design products, I don't want to spend days fiddling with my print settings, that COST ME MONEY. This will be my next printer, plug and play all day, if you want to fiddle around with printer settings, be my guest, I will have some printers for sale shortly.
Perhaps it is perhaps it isn’t. If this works for someone and they’re happy to lay and be essentially locked in. Considering all the benefits this a is a fair choice
I would love this BUT i cannot justify the price for the amount of printing i do. Hoping some of these features make their way to a more open source platform
Oh please... "THIS" is your business... using YT for monetization and for reviews, also to get paid by your affiliate links. You're a professional freelance salesman for-hire, for anyone and whoever the printer company of the week is... YT is your work office. You're NOT doing this for us, so we get the printer we want... you're doing this for you, so you get the lifestyle you want.
And the way I do that is by you getting the printer you want and using my links to do it. This is the best resin printer out there. Proove me wrong. But you don’t need to buy it. And printer if the week. WTF are you on about….? Go and actually watch some other reviews where I have warned against many other printers. You o realise you can watch this review and not have to want the same thing as me. Just because I like this for what it does. Doesn’t mean you need to… So calm the hell doen. Get off your high-horse and try seeing this for what it is. A video about this printer Now go and make your own “more-educated” decision. I’m genuinely sick of dealing with this type of attitude from people who don’t understand what reviews are…
@@FauxHammer Lol... bullocks. This isn't a review channel, but a business. I don't care that people make money on YT, but I do care HOW they make it, and you exploit your viewers. You push printer after printer from whatever company that will send you product or offer you an incentive for you, and that's a lot! Feed your family, but don't prey on people's naiveite or impulse buying, and profit from taking advantage of them. I bet you are sick of comments like mine... we're vocal about educating people that many, not all, but many of their favorite YTers are nothing more than prostitutes for hire, pushing whatever product that you, and the companies you're in bed with make money. This is NOT a review channel, but a multi-affiliate link business, that uses "reviews" as a tool to manipulate viewers. You can't prove me wrong.
How is the consistency of this printer compared to a DLP printer? I'm particularly concerned about the LCD at the edges of the build area vs the center especially over an extended period of time. I intend to use a 3D printer to create props and hundreds of near duplicate faces for stop motion animation. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks
@@FauxHammer Interesting, I definitely see the value that it offers with the amount of time it saves but the material selection is still rather limited for now. Obviously the formlabs printers are in a different price range. Their cheapest printer now costs 4,500 USD. At the moment, its between the Ultracraft Reflex and a second hand Form 3. Thanks for the response.
Sorry for being a tard but can someone please explain the difference between the Reflex and Reflex RS? I don't get it. The RS seems to be better and cheaper, with the only downside being a smaller choice of compatible resins. Am I missing something?
Nope. That’s about it. There are some more features of the RS I would call pointless like a mechanical sluice gate and larger lcd. I have a video coming to explain the differences
@@FauxHammer Thanks, seems weird that they'd make "the better one" cheaper than "the worse one" but I'm certainly not complaining. Sorry you got so much hate for these reviews. I think a lot of people just don't understand that many of us want something that works out of the box without having to spend a bunch of time learning and calibrating and whatever. Either that or they do understand and they are just upset because this printer bypasses their gatekeeping. Either way, I'm all for it. Thanks again.
@@MonstaMunch101 I think it’s a redo at approaching the market and making intelligent cuts in features to become more accessible. The build quality does t feel quite as robust in this one but still far better than any other brand. As for the hate, The same thing happened in FDM Printing when Bambu overtook Prusa… I’m just having to live with it now from the other side. I’m not fussed. Time is on my side.
@@FauxHammer Just as an FYI; I ordered an RS after this conversation yesterday, and promptly cancelled it this morning after learning that the machines are online-only. It didn't even cross my mind that they would require me to be online at all times. Not sure if you covered that point and I just missed it, but I think it's an important one to highlight as for many people that's an absolute deal breaker.
Aren't Orks already pretty much Mad Max? I mean, unless you're a big fan of the movie, could you pick a Mad Max car out of a Speed Freaks army? But I digress As others have said, I'm sure this is a top of the line printer. But the proprietary resin and even more so the price just keeps it from being a realistic option. I recently picked up a Bambu Labs A1, partly due to your suggestions. But it wasn't just ease of use that guided me there, but also the price. Likewise I'm hoping to get a resin printer on Black Friday this year, but an Elegoo Mars or maybe even Saturn is much, much more likely (again, largely due to your videos) that this. That said, I can appreciate enjoying solid engineering and a good product. It's nice to see what top of the line can get you. Thanks for the content and looking forward to meeting you at Gen Con!
It's 2024 and proprietary printing material is back from the dead. Hard pass. This definitely looks like the Bambu of resin though, in the same way that Bambu are slowly rotting FDM printing from the inside out with shady practices and lock-in.
Let's agree to disagree. I can't support a locked-in resin printer. I'm starting to wonder how real these reviews are becoming and whether they are financially motivated. Most of us are regular people who don't print in big resin farms and just want the best product for a reasonable price. I find your channel is slowly slipping away from what I liked in the beginning. I like your honest approach, but lately I'm feeling more suspicious of the intent.
It's interesting you mentioned that as I contacted Heygears to get some cooperation on an engineering product I'm designing, where I would review the printer and materials in an engineering product development setting. From the 14 replies back and forward, it would look like Heygears were worried about such an engineering review and decided not to go with the cooperation. Now if I was printing mini's I'm sure they would have taken the offer.
As someone considering just getting into 3D printing, there is a lot here that appeals to me. With all of the reviews I seen on this machine & ecosystem, there are a few questions I haven't seen addressed: Is there any sort of exhaust or filtration? Given the sluice and autofill, how is cleaning the machine? Any insight on warranty and replacement part costs/intervals vs. others? Consensus seems to be that the auto support features of the software are excellent, but how are the tools for hollowing and drainage? And finally, while the curing station is nice it is absurdly expensive and the wash station is problematic, what curing and washing stations would you recommend that will easily work with this build plate and area?
I am in the market for a 3d printer… my first! Though I’ve sculpted for years in Zbrush for illustration reference. I’ve put off 3d print because of the hassle. However, the resin cost hasn’t been one of the issues. See, we’ve lived with regular printers for decades that cost a fortune in inks, and a bit on paper. And it’s proprietary … canon. So for me it just sounds sensible economics to make a loss leader printer but tie you into resin.
I love watching your videos. It's like I watching a Monty Python episode. Even though I will never get a Resin printer ( because of health Issues, and Tiny Flat ). I thank you for making my day better with every Video.
Impress me: 1. Add a clamp in release film. Taking out and putting in 40+ screws is stupid. 2. Add a step in the wash container for the build plate. 3. Make the UI easy and as self-explainable as possible. And finally, 4. Provide a GOOD manual with complete instructions. If I have to google something for your product, it is not a good manual.
I just bought the Saturn 4 based off your review will be here tomorrow, Monday, now I see this lol... So was it a mistake. Is this that much better to deal with the return process and so forth. What's the pros cons between the two? 😅
I'm still wringing the most I can out of an original Elegoo Mars - but will upgrade at some point. HeyGears is certainly on my radar, but one cheap resin in their range doesn't cut it. I often want to print unpainted parts, which means using a resin in an appropriate colour. Unfortunately, their coloured resins are twice the price of the affordable one. It's not like I go through gallons of the stuff, but just being able to have a choice will cost me a significant amount.
I have actually emailed them just now telling them this and more. You are not wrong and this probably isn’t the machine for you. But those who are happy to pay for this and understand its limits will get them I honestly don’t know another way this can be achieved now or in the near future
Hello Ross, would you recommend the UltraCraft Cure and UltraCraft Wash in addition to the UltraCraft Reflex or is it better to continue using the wash and cure station from Uniformation (GK2 set) and save the money or invest in the UltraCraft Pulsing Release Module?
What is the best open source 3d printer ? At a similar price mark. 385 wavelength would be more ideal but trying to look for good suggestions for both 385 and 405. Any help would be great!
I understand your argument, but can't agree with it What happens if the company disappears? You have a nice fancy doorstop What if you want a resin they don't think is cost effective to make? I will stick with the elegoo ps5
I don‘t care about the proprietary resin as long as they deliver good service. If i need resin it should be shipped quickly and as far as i can tell that is not the case.
Well, I realize my hobby is figures and when you spend so much time adjusting supporting and everything that goes with a traditional slicers and printers, I mean the early bird special on the GK3 was why $1000 I think the whole package $1599. This machine is well worth it. I guess it depends what you wanna spend your time doing constantly adjusting and trying to dial-in on every different resin that you use, I would go the extra mile and just say let me make figures so I can paint them easy Peezy
The real problem with proprietary consumables is "what happens if the company goes away?"
Absolutely 100% this. Unless they commit to releasing details on the resin or how to use other resins with it if they fail... you can't really commit to this.
There's also nothing stopping them from bumping resin prices in a few years when enough people have bought into their ecosystem.
I think that if Bambu Lab came with their own proprietary spools impossible (or very difficult) to swap to 3rd-party filaments, they would not have succeeded.
What happened if the locked proprietary setting does not work on your specific environnement also I know with the heater normally it is more under control but still I see variation between people using same resin same printer because temp and humidity is different.
Also what happen if you want to print with very specific resin ultracraft is not offering like some rubber like resin or nylon like ultra sturdy resin that can’t be destroyed (well this is what the brand is saying 😂) from a specific vendor…
@@SeithonJetter A $1400 price tag plus a walled garden? That seem like a bad idea for a myriad of reasons. I would worry about the first hit is free, but then we are going to jack up the prices due to "operating costs" or production cost increase or whatever late stage capitalist term they wanna use.
$65 for 1kg of resin is still 3 times what I've been paying for Sunlu ABS Like (which I regularly find 2kg bottles on amazon for $40). Dialing in a resin is a one time cost. Once you've got it dialed in, you don't have to spend more time on it with every new bottle. I think your position as a reviewer of these machines (and resins) where you're always having to dial stuff in skews your perception of what most people who print to supply their hobby (instead of printing as a hobby), which is find one or two resins they like, dial them in once, and never have to bother with it again. Over time, the extra cost HeyGears resins (and the single point of failure if HeyGears makes changes you don't like) is just far more expensive than a couple days spent dialing in a new resin that is likely to be the only resin you use.
I just don't see it. I mean, certainly it's the best printer if money is no object. But resin printing isn't like FDM printing- It's already a lot easier. When the Bambu X1 was new and Bambu's only offering, it was a terrific upgrade over the various $200-$500 ender 3 derivatives that had the market locked up. But comparing HeyGears to Elegoo's offerings, I feel like HeyGears has priced themselves above the prosumer market and into the lowest end of the enterprise market.
Trust me - as someone who has owned just about every big brand and many of the more niche ones in all different sizes - it's not even in the same galaxy as EVERY single other consumer resin printer on the market. Quality of hardware, quality of prints, ease of use, how good the slicer is... I have the pulsing release module and it allows you to make your support contacts so unbelievably small that minis not only look the best of any printer I've ever used - there is next to no clean up. It's just that good.
The only downside is I wish the plate was bigger & the resins were cheaper but heygears new prototype resin is $45/KG and it's just as good as their $60/KG mini specific resin imo and they're both some of the best miniature resins I've used on the market. Super high detail and yet more durable and flexible than most ABS likes. Also after dealing with companies like Phrozen and elegoo my jaw almost dropped when I first got my reflex and 50 micron wasn't an option for some reason with the miniature resin (PAP10). I submitted a ticket right through the slicer and had a message back AND it was fixed in the slicer with an update in less than 2 HOURS. After years of dealing with most of the consumer resin printer companies I simply forgot that customer service and a company that appreciates you even AFTER you bought their product could exist. It is hands down the best printer you can buy right now. Sure, it's expensive. But if you have the money you won't regret pulling the trigger. The only downside is you'll never be able to go back to the slop we've been fed from all the "competitors". Ps - you can go back to faux hammers first video on this printer and find a comment from me bashing the crap out of it. After bad experiences with all the other printers out there I gave the reflex a shot and I'm a true believer now.
this was such a wildly educated comment for such a niche topic
@@matthewhaworth5935 And the PRM is freaking loud
@@matthewhaworth5935 The pulse release module just appears to reduce the peeling force, which is why you can use weak supports. And based on the descriptions it uses the module and a special film on the special vat, probably ACF, to achieve it. Tilt vats like the one on the Saturn 4 Ultra can achieve lower peel forces just through mechanical advantage.
Lovin' my Saturn 4 Ultra, so far , at way less dough.
Not sure who in their right mind would buy heygears over the Saturn 4 ultra, i could have 3 or 4 printers for the price of 1… and ontop of that, heygears has a small baseplate. Only thing that will be worth upgrading my Saturn 4 ultra, is something with a 15 inch lcd screen/plate.
@@HypeShadow27 Personally I've considered it. I don't print enough to need 4 printers, and I don't consume resin at a fast enough pace that would see proprietary resin eat my wallet. But something I could set and forget is super appealing with limited time.
@@ZeeLobby But how many resins do people really use? but realistically with resin (not having done it for a few years now) 90% would be done in grey with a particular brand ie elegoo. so is it worth the 4x to get a printer that is limited to what they sell just in case you want to try something different.
@@mrfoameruk For me and the easy integration? Yes. I engineer parts with different properties and would probably swap around within the ecosystem. There's also a guarantee here that if they change the formula it'll just work. There are tons of examples on r/resinprinting of people buying the exact same resin, same brand, and having to tweak their settings. Or settings differing from machine to machine. Now whether that's due to environmental factors, inconsistency in resin production or inconsistency in machine production I have no clue. But obviously with this pricetag the expectation is that consistency will be exact. It's the difference of going with a company that entered a more hobbyist price point from professional and those that chase bottom budget and came from FDM or other budget printers. Heygears support is also supposedly phenomenal.
As a side there's also been videos of people using other resin brands in these printers by simply filling the vat, so that's always another option if mass producing more budget prints with a resin that works at the same settings is available.
My wife just bought me a Saturn 4 Ultra.
Beautifully edited and masterfully narrated video. Thank you so much for all the work that went into this.
I’m really glad the price is so high and it’s not shipping to Poland, my GK2 will serve me another year
Lol, this is my exact reaction as well. If it shipped to Sweden, I'd even consider selling off parts of the warhammer collection JUST to buy it
I say the uniformation is already enough, we dont need an 2600$ printer
Yup. I've never had a failure on my GK2.
Yep GK is pre leveled has a heater and you can use their slicer and use their profile if you don’t want the hassle of exposure test. Eventually you can lower exposure by 0.1s every print until failure appear. Resin printing is so much simpler than fdm with all the stuff like flow calibration pressure advance retraction temp gap for supports infill pattern… resin printing is just about leveling your printer (and recent one don’t need that) and enjoy and this experience start with printer way below 500$ with 30$ resin bottle.
Guys don’t fear about resin printing it is messy but not that difficult with recent printer / slicer and it does not need to invest that much to start in the hobby.
@@brib9716 frrrrrr
@@Brom0timol ikr!
Well it's $1400 but I would say the same thing at that price too. Resin printers are mostly already ridiculously priced considering how simple of machines they are. I do have a GK2 and frankly I can't see what the big deal is. It has a heater and double the price, crazy. Just get the cheap one and add a heater. They all use the same shitubox proprietary crap anyway.
Price, small build plate, expensive resin. This might be ok for making 40mm and smaller minis, but you can forget vehicles, large solid busts and pretty much anything that isn't a 40mm or smaller mini. Ill stick with my Saturn 2.
@@AddestVision I print human size minis up to 108mm scale on my reflex. Trust me I wish the plate was bigger it's definitely my biggest con with it but it has a decent Z height so you can often fit things bigger than you would expect for the plate size.
Once dialed in the Saturn 2 is just as good as any other printer, and at $200 for the refurb version it's amazing value. Of course, the whole point to HeyGear is that you don't need to dial it in. But then I think most of us on this channel are here because we're tinkerers.
@@lanzer22 So what did you actually have to dial-in with the Saturn 2?
If you buy elegoo resin you just copy & paste the values that elegoo gives for their resin and you are good to go. So what is the big difference with HeyGear?
The real difference is that Saturn 2 gives you both options. To tinker or not tinker whatever you prefer.
@@marcdevries9027 I do wish things are as simple as cut and paste 100% of the time, but I have a variety of resin, many of them not from ELEGOO. There is also setting changes in winter vs summer printing depending on where you live. This aspect of testing and trial & error is what many of us are used to, while many are happy to pay and not have to worry about it
@@lanzer22 Oh, but you will have to worry about it, because this printer will need the same setting changes in winter vs summer as it does not have an inbuilt heater.
for that crazy price they should have it made built-in so that you actually don't have to worry about it.
And you want a variety of resin bigger than what Elegoo offers? Well, you're out of luck with this printer as well, since you can only use their resin.
So I don't understand your arguments.
Sorry, but requiring proprietary resin is a pass. Completely anti consumer and not worth buying. You're saying you aren't bought, but how can you suggest this is the best printer when it's overpriced and requires propriety resin?
You're at the liberty of their resin being consistent and why should they really care? You have to buy their resin. They can set the price because you can't just buy a different brand of resin.
Bought the full system using your code, code didn’t add two bottles only one, emails customer service, 5 min reply, they fixed it and added 5 more bottles. Received printer, had it up and running in 30 min, put a complex model in that would crush my FDM printer, came out 100% perfect. No longer interested in tweaking printers, it just works perfectly. LOVE the slicer. Thank you so much for the reviews!
Thanks mate, so glad you found this did exactly what I said it would and you are happy.
I'm in the same place. After 4 years with an Epax and 9 months with a Saturn, I'm done with that nonsense.
well thats easy to say when you don´t factor in that you didn't have to purchase it.
For engineering work/prototyping, this is the only printer I've considered. The printer is a tool for me. I don't want to mess with settings, or anything like that... ever. Just want it to work so I can focus on other things. I think that is the sort of work flow this printer for. For those who aren't into the hobby of resin printing and simply use it the same way you'd use a hammer.
Yeah, totally agree, that’s the point here..
Yup. This right here is the same boat I'm in.
I run a million dollar dental laboratory using Phrozen printers and haven't had a misprint in 2 years.
@@nicholasflorida1994 just like all statistics it's never 100% 😆
@@nicholasflorida1994 Then this probably isn't the right printer for you.
My question to YOU Ross is this: Do you want to encourage more 3d printer manufacturers into making anti-consumer decisions like proprietary resins? Do you want to reward a company that does this? I dont. Would you have bought this printer if you did not get it for free? Which is why I refuse to support this entire brand. Its not for the average person. They should stick to their original target audience of printer farms/businesses.
any machine that doesn't let me use any resin I want or even let me adjust settings to my liking is DOA. The machine is expensive, the resin (even their cheap resin) is expensive compared to the market. No point to this machine unless you are running a print farm. If you are in that very specific user case than yes no question this is a great printer. But for the average hobbyist the price tag and proprietary consumables is too much.
resins needing different settings is a problem, but the solution is not "buy this printer that requires its own special resin and hope resin you like works"
the solution needs to be standardizing. fdm printers don't have proprietary fdm functions, they simply just standardized. buying an fdm printer usually means it'll work as intended even if you have one of the more fiddly ones. What happens when this company cant make resin anymore? This is the problem. i don't want to spend a grand or more on a printer with a shelf life.
Umm... Saturn 4 Ultra? Anyone? BUELLER!!! lol... this is WAY overpriced for what I can get out of S4U for 1/4 of the price of the printer. Hard pass.
Build plate not big enough for me so i'll be staying with gk3 !
Proprietary consumables - instant Dont Buy signal
If it looks like a commercial, sounds like a commercial and feels like a commercial......its probably a commercial. Someone is making money, and at $1400 for a resin printer, its not the buyers. *EDIT* All that being said, I bought one! Thanks for the discount code.
I am interested in getting the bundle but your code is not working, only the $200 off but only 1 bottle of resin
It will add the second.. let me check
@@FauxHammer I'm seeing the same thing. Trying to buy right now, but only see x1 free gift
Sent an email after I ordered and they got back to me with a confirmation that they will include a second bottlel of Parp10 resin
@@gavitron3dbrill, glad it’s sorted guys, yeah I just emailed them about it. Sorry for the mislead
No thanks. My Saturn 4 Ultra has never failed. The prints are perfect, and its super fast. All anyone could want.
Fair enough. If you are happy with your pick, that is what matters. But other people may want different things and a different experience is all. This offers much that the Saturn doesn’t and vise versa.
@@FauxHammer I don't see if offering much that the Saturn does not support.
Only 1 thing: their supposedly smaller supports.
But since the whole review you have just been repeating the marketing lines from HeyGear I don't know if I can believe you on that part. I don't know if that is really worth thousands of extra dollars compared to another printer.
I suggest you make a new video where you compare the benefits HeyGears claims for their supports and compare it to other things that let you use smaller supports like the tilting vat.
To let viewers see how much difference it makes and if it is useful to spend extra money on it.
That would definitely be a video that a lot of people would want to watch.
@@marcdevries9027 it really is more than smaller supports, it's teh whole workflow.
look, the dfifference is like.
Oooh, I wnat to print something... oh but i need to do this and that, and slice and maybe support, hollow. check it, print. some party fails, re-support. print again.
and
Oooh, I want to print something... Print
If you are happy with a Saturn mate, stick with a Saturn, you probably know enouh about getting good prints to avoid most of the issues you may have anyway. you havce already gone through that jhourrney so this probably isn;t for you.
But please don't accuse me of regurgitating Marketing BS, becase the effort I have put in to fight marketing BS on this channel is more effor than I put into any other aspect. Suffice to say, that accusation is insulting.
All the other brands sput nothing more tahn makrketing BS with 8k 16k and all that shit. we even now have 18 micron printers which are making prints worse than larger 24 or even 30 micron printers, but they push it like it;s better!
Heygears marketing is not bullshit... it's professional and accurate. Could they be a but clearer, yes. but they aren;t playing the silly childiung game everyone else is.
I didn't turn my nose up do to proprietary resins. It's the stupid expensive price that turns me off! If I want to spend that much I'll look at the Formlabs line!
But you didn't buy...so quite easy to say it's the only one you'll buy
Absolutely not! I’ll stay in the spirit of the likes of Phrozen, Uniformation and Elegoo machines. My Gk 2 was the easiest thing to setup and get printing, if you want this type of printer get a Formlabs machine.
$2.2k AUD for the printer and $75 AUD for 1L of resin... LMAO, sorry but printer is not worth 2.2k... feels like a scam jesus... while yeah HeyGears has some nice features but not much compared to other printers like the new Saturn 4.
I'm going to be honest I own a Saturn 2 and I got it for around $550AUD several years ago, and I can tell you that it's a pretty decent machine, and from many other reviews I've seen online of different printers I honestly believe no one should be paying anything more than $1,000 for a resin printer no matter how many 'features' they have.
My Saturn 2 can print as low as 23 microns but I print between 30 and 40 microns and it can print pretty details stuff.. there is no need for a printer to cost over 1k.
£50 a bottle is a hard no 😂 and no. It's not more economical when accounting time to dial it in. Dialling is a one off time sink, about an hour in actual my time. A one off cost. Then resin half the price of that hey gears 🤣🤣
Heya. I hear you. And you are totally right to make a call regarding train balue to ho7z
But as mentioned in the video. The best you are getting in that hour is exposure times dialed in.
But you won’t get lift and retract speeds. Wait times required to avoid early layer compression. What UV penetration do you have? What is your XY tolerance?
Did you know the tensile strength of your resin and can use that to mathematically determine the fewest and thinnest support contacts to ensure the best quality model with the smallest amount of cleanup?
Again. If you are happy with what you paid, and what you have and what your results are. That is fine and I support that.
But I’m responding lively because I want to ensure that people understand the difference.
Their resin remains far too expensive. I can get Sunlu resin for a third of the price and is excellent quality. It's a big nope from me.
Fair enough. If this is not what you want, stick with what you have
Sorry, I'd rather have the convenience of using any resin brand that I prefer than to be locked into an overpriced singular system. I own 2 Elegoo Saturn 3 Ultras and they print flawlessly with the same amount of detail that your video shows here. I agree however that the manufacterers of resin printers should try to emulate the Bambu take on printing tech and features.
All fair points and well made. But the printer that’s right for you!
Great that they basically eliminated the fine calibration steps, but that's not resin printing's biggest barrier to entry. What I want is a single wash/cure machine that I can transfer my build plate to so I never need gloves. That and a printer with a pump to drain the vat back to the bottle so I can go a month between prints without worrying about resin going bad and stinking up the room. Once resin printing feels less like a school science project I'd buy again in a heartbeat, that's the real problem to solve.
Yeah. That’s all fair and well put. Any ideas on how we crack that one!
Yes, it’s the mess and toxins wot does it for lots of my mates. That’s one of the reasons I use water washables like Wargamer in the main. Every little helps.
@@FauxHammer By letting someone else do the printing :)
Those services already exist and it would be cheaper than this printer as well.
@@marcdevries9027 that's a stretch. I can easily sell prints on this for at "least" double what they cost me.
You lost me at proprietary resin. Would I buy this? No.
If you buy this printer, this company holds you by the balls if you want to print on it and they can charge as much as they want for thier resin.
Seriously, 2000$ for a printer plus over 130$ for a bottle of resin, I'm out. I would invest 100% more on myself than spend over 2k for a home resin printer. It's just a complete nonsense to me.
Just wait, I guess. The same can be said for bambu lab when they release their first printers, and now they sell budget versions (albeit 400$)
This is a "trying to be" of the Formlabs Form4. That machine has resins that are pretty proprietary to Form4, but it'll let you adjust exposure for other resins. That said, there's a huge price difference. Proprietary resin printers really come down to the quality of the resin. If that is top notch for what you need, then you know you'll get great prints every time.
@@jasonc212 it's top notch. PAP10, PARP10 and PAWR10 are the ones I've used mainly and they're all outstanding.
Should be noted the Formlabs Form4 for the basic unit is $4,499.00 versus the Ultracraft Reflex for $1,399 = but if you use the code for 200 off its down to $1,199 and thats with 2 bottles of resin. So there is a huge difference for sure.
The Formlabs resin for the Form4 is $99 per liter = ouchie. HeyGears resin for pac10 is about $45. So I think Formlabs just priced themselves out of the hobby printing market twice over; one on the printer itself and two, with the overpriced resin.
Now that some people have used third party resins successfully with the Ultracraft Reflex, we are seeing another reason to possibly buy their printer besides the awesome self supports. For now I will use my Saturn 3 Ultra for a couple of years at least then look and see if HeyGears makes a larger build area unit.
@theVariedLife Well, one is designed as a hobby tool, while the other is designed as an industrial machine. They really aren't the same, but I see as a hobby version of the Form4, with obviously a lot less features.
I thought of buying this printer, but after realizing that the k8ts I make require mechanical tolerances, I chose the way more expensive printer. Yes, it's a tough sale, but now having people pay me to print kits in IMO the best resin out there by far, it's afforded me the purchase price.
@@jasonc212 I had a form 3+ that failed 14 months after purchase with "motherboard issues" Told it could not be fixed and I would have to buy new machine. needless to say I did not do this. Appalling service, they seem slick but very poor in reality especially if your in UK. Avoid
Thanks for the video and your insight. You recommend the printer, but what is your opinion on their wash and cure station? Are they as worthwhile or is there another brand you could recommend for much cheaper and an identical experience. They did not seem too "revolutionary."
Think id just buy a new £400 printer every 4-5 years and keep up with the tech. Still be cheaper than this for a couple decades imo.
made that mistake with a phrozen 8k, nice machine, but too pricy, and this is 1400USD plus shipping, VAT and import tax. so 2K USD in Denmark.. no thanks.
The level of clean detail that thing achieves is just stunning! As for the resin price, I feel compelled to ask - how much production does a bottle of their resin get you? I know the answer is likely, "How long is a piece of string?", because it'll depend on what you're printing. I just think it would be interesting to see how many things, say minis for example, can be printed using a single bottle of resin. Kind of like, how many orcs are in a bottle of resin? You know? Just looking at their website, $2389 for the printer, the wash station, and the cure cupboard isn't too bad, considering what this thing will do. For making tiny stuff, resin printers in general just can't be beat. Can you imagine one with a build plate the size of an X1-Carbon? Now THAT would be cool!!
Ugh, I hate resin printing, even though I got back into it. But, 80% of what I hate about it is dealing with failures and spending forever wearing a gas mask to do cleanup. I don't think I will ever get around the HAZMAT requirements of resin printing, but I think it would make a huge difference to not have so many blasted failures. It is really tempting to save up for one of these and give it a shot.
For me the biggest concern really is the printer being locked to propietary resin. Of course I don't expect it to be anything more than a bog standard printer woth a 3rd party resin, but having the option is nice. Otherwise you have to trust the company will outlive the printer, won't use their leverage to raise prices, and will continue to provide product and service for your specific usecase. Whereas if I can use and tweak the printer like a regular one with 3rd party resin, suddenly I've got an amazing tool that doesn't become useless or harder to use than a typical resin printer if something happens to the proprietary resin supply. Options reduce risk, and the risk is scary, whether it's a realistic risk or not.
You did a better job of selling the slicer than you did of selling the printer lol. Looks like a very basic printer with no fancy features at all. And the only problems I have with my printer is the slicer.
Reminds me of a video of Maker Muse did where he took a modern FDM slicer and used it on an old ass printer and got a massive quality improvement.
I've been waiting endlessly for a printer that can do what the Reflex does. No troubleshooting, perfect prints, no fucking with supports, no flashdrives. Just click print like i would on a 2d printer, and there it is. I dont give a fuck if the resin is x2 the normal cost. I've been printing for 4 years now, and I'd estimate that half the resin I've paid for was used on exposure tests, failed prints, vat cleaning because of failures, and supports that were bigger than they needed be.
Shut up and take my money 💰
Honestly, this video convinced me. I'm still a year out from adding a Resin printer to join my fdm printer. But I got the x1 Carbon for the same reasons you've listed, and they are similar prices. Now that the resin prices are lower I'm very tempted. I just wish there was a wash and cure station that was affordable and wasn't jank or hand made. I'd probably still get the heygears set, but maybe much later than the actual printer itself.
Well I just bought it all,with the discount the sell for me is the lowering of the resin and more is coming out at lower prices
If I don’t have to sit here and worry about if a have supports are right,slicers adding useless features.
Which most are useless pre-supporting as a joke on all the slices they even tell you this outright.
I used to get my resin figures from China from E 2046 would take a month or so to get here a larger process, but it was high-quality
But if you messed one up, you were SOL
My idea of buying a 3-D printer as I can get the same figures pretty much and if I break one of the paint job comes out like shit with a 3-D printer, I can front now I don’t have to pay for a monthly slicer they seem to have great Tech-Support and I will sell my printers plus I know you can use other third-party resins, which are all try when I run out of the ones I bought so look at it this way
The prices of printers are going up of decent ones anyway they keep adding new gadgets slowly the GK 3 if you didn’t get the early bird is $1599 ultracraft reflex with the coupon by itself $1199.
So what makes more sense a printer that gives you perfect print you don’t have to spend so much time supporting and hoping
The other things they sell, you could probably live without. I happen to like the car station because it says the information from the printer to the car station and calculate how much time but that is a lot of money
So anybody thinking about buying a new printer like the GK3 go with this one instead
*cries in GK3*
Same, I bought gk3 but it is amazing dont let anything change you, everyone will talk about gk3 and nobody will talk about this one because it's also like 2600$
Hello? cry? GKTree is literally better then this
@@firelion98 cry in like…cry because it is not shipped yet
@@firelion98 FOR REAL
@@christiangruening352 same it comes ending September
45 pounds for a liter of resin is still A LOT. I am getting anycubics default resin for almost 12€ per l of ebay if I by in bulk (4 bottles). I agree that the reliability that proprietary resin and software provides is amazing, but in this case the resin, at least for me is still too expensive. This is also coming from someone who owns a gktwo, and is willing to spend money on quality product with qol features, but if I am running through 10 l of resin in 2-3 month, the math is not mathing.
Nah
Couple reasons, first off, there's no way on God's green earth I'd lock myself into proprietary resin. Especially when it's twice the price of other resins out there. Then there's the small build plate. I do statues. Any time I save on the front end, I'll spend on the back end filling seams. And last, I'm retired. I have more time than money. I don't have an issue dialing in the settings for a couple resins.
I don't doubt it's a good printer, but not for me, and I suspect lots of others out there.
For $2300 I would hope IT WOULD BE THE BEST one out there.... Saturn 4 ultra is way better considered its $399....
‘Getting on with my Hobby is’ the reason I walked from resin for a couple years now… but just like the X1C it is too steep in price for the volume available. A1 is the sweetest spot where the getting on doesn’t break the bank and I can put the money into the materials I want the finished products to be.
GK3 sounds tempting but is equivalent to the CR-10 in getting on with getting on.
Next spring sounds like the time to reevaluate, if this innovation keeps pace Resin can become at tool and not a project itself.
Hey Ross, just purchased. Biggest reason is time savings.
I like to print 1/6th scale models. I usually hollow with 2mm thickness. Do you see an opportunity with the heygears printer and resin to go thinner on the walls? Just trying to save money on the resin. I was thinking if I can get thinner walls with the same accuracy, then maybe I can fill the model with a two-part casting resin (cheaper than the heygears resin) to compensate for any weakness of the walls. What do you think?
Overpriced as fuck and nobody ever should close itself in any ecosystem
I really wish I saw this when it the deal was announced and now now post August 10th. Any chance of this deal being offered again soon @fauxhammer?
Have you tried their resin in other printers? If yes how did that go?
It was out of stock the other day, which was good because i got to sleep on it. Welp, i just ordered it with your link. Cant wait
Someone wants a free printer 😂
so how much 3d print result difference between elegoo saturn 4 ultra and this 3d printer? it same technologi MSLA?
Depends how well you are willing to dial this in. But the result is in better ease of use here. This printer is literally, load model. Press auto supports. Print.
This printer has solved so many problems I’ve had with resin printing over the years. I’m a small business, I don’t have time to fiddle with exposures etc. Resin printing is one step in my production process, and not something I want to fiddle with.
I feel like I’m the target market for this printer as I don’t care about the price of resin etc. The cure station is great too. It’s solved so many pain points for me. Build quality is great, support actually cares and replies quickly, etc etc etc
Thanks for sharing. I have such polarising comments here. So many people who have not used this saying “this is shit and not worth the money” to people who have used it and they have all echoed how amazing it is.
It’s so hard to explain how good this is without having tested it yourself.
It is encouraging to see a shift toward a more user-friendly style of printer, but until you can put any resin in to the machine and have it calibrate itself; it's not comparable to the Bambu model. All you're getting for the high price tag is a printer that's locked to specific presets. Bambu price their machines very reasonably along with the smart calibration features, which is what has made them so successful.
Also... It's hard to see how this could be considered a "support my hobby" machine when you could buy enough miniatures to keep you going for a couple of years for the same price.
Thanks for the review though, it was very informative.
Thanks mate. This comment is super appreciated
I would like to buy this printer when i can but they don't ship everywhere
Nice job Ross. You've convinced me and overcome all of my objections. Unfortunately, I've got three resin printers now (two of them brand new) and I'm not in the market for another. But for those who are in the market and serious enough to lay down $1,400, this is very valuable information. You've hit upon the philosophy perfectly. I want a user experience from soup to nuts that is clearly superior to the alternatives at the price or under, and I'm willing to spend more to get it. Too bad HeyGears doesn't have a half price version that has 95% of the goodness like Bambu does.
And what happens if cheap resin gets discontinued? I'm pretty sure HeyGears did not make any obligations which would prevent them from doing such an "evil" action to increase revenue from people who has no choice :)
I'm believe that you wouldn't buy this printer, because this thing is not cheap, it's basically steps into formlabs level and have significant risks of company screwing you up.
I’d buy a Formlabs if I could afford it.
i think a lot of people get starstruck by the price tag and dont really contemplate what it means to own a printer
for me, i bought an ender 3 pro a few years ago and started printing anything and everything. what i didnt realize was the amount of failed prints, calibrations, upgrades, recalibrating the upgrades, etc etc all made me go insane because the 3d printing wasnt supplementing my life or my hobbies, it WAS the hobby. its kind of like buying a prius and then trying to turn it into a ferrari because you like driving racecars. its affordable, and you potentially could do it, but the amount of time you waste makes you wonder if theres a better way
i bought the bamboo lab x1c and it was literally like being born again. i could just PRINT stuff and not have to endlessly tinker with any settings and failures over and over. now im looking at this heygears printer and getting an itchy trigger finger because all the set up of resin printing reminds me of that same garbage i went through with my ender
I think a lot of people already own a printer and know very well what it means to own a printer. Most probably found this channel when they searched for reviews for deciding what printer they would buy.
And that is why people recognize that this review is extremely biased.
A lot of people are willing to spend some extra money to have less failed prints and in general make their life easier. Bamboo seems to do that with only slightly higher prices. And without any drawbacks. (I have two resins printers, so maybe I miss something important on the Bamboo printers?)
A completely different situation to HeyGear.
The code no longer works! just when I was going to order one, typical
I am sure this is the best resin printer you have, so I'm not surprised that it is the one you use. And it looks fantastic. But it is also one of the most expensive.
I would love to have this printer, but I just can't spend over a grand on a printer to make my toys. And this one costs 2 grand (AUD).
Why does it have to cost 2 or 3 times as much as an 'ultra' model in the cheaper brands?
If it were like 20% more than an ultra... maybe even up to 50% more... I would entertain the idea. But its too much and I'm too poor.
I can't say for certain that it costs 2 to 3 times more to make than superficially comparable printers, but internally it's quite different from the sort of stuff you see in printers like the S4 Ultra. Truly custom board (with seemingly zero Chitu influence), better stepper motor, ball screw with multiple bearings on the Z axis, numerous NFC sensors for the recognition of various parts / bottles, integrated power supply, force sensors on each corners of the floating screen platform, individually calibrated / compensated LCD screen, heated vat, etc. A lot of it seems quite custom. I don't think that a 20% increase in BOM compared to the S4U is realistic TBH, it's likely to be more than that. If you want to have a rapid look at its internals you can look at the FCC documentation.
Where I do think they could make a bit of an effort in terms of pricing their items more proportionally to the BOM is some of the accessories. It's difficult for me to see how the PRM vat should cost this much more than the regular vat (even taking into account the genuinely harder to make release film stack), or why the PRM itself is that expensive (it's just an air pump), same for the LED calibration module, which is more than three times more expensive than Chitu's UV meter (OK it operates on a different wavelength but still...).
Still a hard pass for me. I was interested at the start because I thought you were here to tell us they came to their senses and lowered the insane prices of their resin. But if offering 1 single type of resin at a somewhat reasonable price is enough to make you do a complete 180 on your previous comments..... it comes off pretty bad. Considering you are financially motivated to convince us now.
As others pointed out, what stops them from raising the price in 6 months to match the others? What happens of they go under, or otherwise stop production of the resins? This is a LOT of money for a person to risk without addressing these major issues.
Please don't take this as a "waaaaah, you're a shill" comment. Just stating that the optics of this don't come off great.
Not taking this as a wahhhh comment. You are entitled to your opinion as am I.
I’m just as financially motivated as I always was. I had affiliate links in my video.
I’m not sure why anyone is reading into this anymore than what I said or what the optics are bad… I don’t really care how it “looks” to some people. Most have seen that my comments here do not negate what I previously said.
But also, this new resin is great, I love it fur minis and being sub £50 is a much easier ask than more than £70
No if you still don’t want this because of proprietary resin… that’s fair, I still support your choice, I always want people to buy what is right for them…
But, how else would you do it. Other have suggested… open this up to other resins… but then you loose the main value of what this system offers… so why do it?
I also suspect, as I said, they are selling the machine at a loss to make it back on the so even if you wanted this hardware, but more open. I suspect you’d be looking at 3K or more for the machine alone…
So if this is not for you. Please. Do not buy it
But the fact to be aware of is that this is the best resin printer, and there are plenty of people out there who would pay for it and the resin fir the Bambu-like experience of drag-drop-support-print…
Which Cure and wash would you recommend with this printer. I like the heygears cure but the wash looks iffy.
I use 2 pickle jars and an ultrasonic cleaner.
Always loved this printer but the price always threw me off. Spending more money for the convenience is big tho so now the cheaper resin is for sure talking to me. I really need to do more research between the gk3 and this or even the gk2 on a good sale in the future just because of the price.
The "better" approach to proprietary resin, is making their resin have attractive features, but still offer the ability to use others resin's just as easily. Let people post "profiles" for other resins like people do with Bambu and 3rd party filaments. Nobody should ever buy something like this with proprietary resin. Huge no from me.
I agree with that… I presume as I said, they are selling g the printer at a loss to make it back.
But hey won’t be beaten until someone else comes along and charges 3K for this sort of hardware…
But even then you are still stuck with… dial it in yourself… which looses all its value
There is a major difference between the machine have proprietary parts and code and forcing people to buy a consumable only from you. I don't care if their resin is $5 and the best quality out there forcing me to only buy their resin makes it so I'll never consider it even though it is an excellent printer.
And that’s totally fair
$1399!! eh........ NO
I'm not much of a commenter, but I wanted to add my "why" for getting on board with this system. It's definitely a luxury, but if your budget can stand it, how much would you pay to a) have someone come over and dial in every bit of your settings from exposure to lift speed/distances, wait times, etc, knowing they have it exactly optimal, AND b) do custom supports on every mini with extraordinarily small contacts/little clean up. For me, the one-time $ hit and price of premium resin, which I use anyway, is totally worth it. I know it's a luxury, but looking forward to the reliable quality and time-saving.
If money is not an issue, and you do not want to tinker, then why buy a 3D printer at all?
Just have someone else print it for you. It's probably a lot cheaper and even less hassle than buying this printer.
I just ordered using your code! Thanks! I see in your earlier video you use advanced to reduce tip size (and don't use sphere contacts). When you reduce tip diameter, do you increase support density (for more supports)?
Nope it seems to just work. In the 30+ prints I’ve done since doing this. I had one minor fail on an extruded thumb. Manually added 2 more supports to that part, printed again and it’s beautiful .
@@FauxHammer thanks so much for the fast reply. I’m a loyal sub and was happy to be able to use your link for the purchase. I’m picking up the prm too. Keep the great content coming!!
Holy crap that's expensive. Does it do anything the Elegoo resin printers Don't? They're like 1/3 to 1/4 the price.
Quite a lot yeah, watch the review mate
God damn Ross, you actually convinced me to buy this printer but... they dont ship to Poland so I have to pass... for the moment.
Hi, we are actively working on expanding our available shipping countries and expect to make progress next month. In the meantime, please feel free to reach out to our support team to be added to the waiting list. We will keep you informed of any updates regarding shipping to more EU countries/regions.
Thank you for your patience!
As a user I want drag and drop like end to end experience.
But its still a long way to go.
models, supports slicer and printers aren’t at this point yet.
Actually, this one kinda is
Ok man I am super torn on printers now. I have watched so many of your videos and thought I had a printer picked out and then I watch this. Please recommend one to me. I am not driven by price but would like to stay under $2500. I want as large of a plate as I can get. I dont like to tinker with printers, I just want to print and enjoy painting. And I would like a clean print but don't care what about the 12K 14K 8K thing. Please help me with your best pick for those requirements.
I am upset that I can only give 1 like to this video. I design products, I don't want to spend days fiddling with my print settings, that COST ME MONEY. This will be my next printer, plug and play all day, if you want to fiddle around with printer settings, be my guest, I will have some printers for sale shortly.
hmm over 10x the price for printer over 5x the price for resin ... not even doing USD to AUD conversion
I get this is not your pick. But with those maths though, I can only assume you're comparing this to a $140 printer and $10 resin?
The real problem is 100% addiction to one brand. Which prison to choose? This is not good.
Perhaps it is perhaps it isn’t. If this works for someone and they’re happy to lay and be essentially locked in. Considering all the benefits this a is a fair choice
I would love this BUT i cannot justify the price for the amount of printing i do. Hoping some of these features make their way to a more open source platform
Oh please... "THIS" is your business... using YT for monetization and for reviews, also to get paid by your affiliate links. You're a professional freelance salesman for-hire, for anyone and whoever the printer company of the week is... YT is your work office. You're NOT doing this for us, so we get the printer we want... you're doing this for you, so you get the lifestyle you want.
And the way I do that is by you getting the printer you want and using my links to do it.
This is the best resin printer out there. Proove me wrong.
But you don’t need to buy it.
And printer if the week. WTF are you on about….? Go and actually watch some other reviews where I have warned against many other printers.
You o realise you can watch this review and not have to want the same thing as me. Just because I like this for what it does. Doesn’t mean you need to…
So calm the hell doen. Get off your high-horse and try seeing this for what it is. A video about this printer
Now go and make your own “more-educated” decision.
I’m genuinely sick of dealing with this type of attitude from people who don’t understand what reviews are…
@@FauxHammer Lol... bullocks. This isn't a review channel, but a business. I don't care that people make money on YT, but I do care HOW they make it, and you exploit your viewers. You push printer after printer from whatever company that will send you product or offer you an incentive for you, and that's a lot! Feed your family, but don't prey on people's naiveite or impulse buying, and profit from taking advantage of them. I bet you are sick of comments like mine... we're vocal about educating people that many, not all, but many of their favorite YTers are nothing more than prostitutes for hire, pushing whatever product that you, and the companies you're in bed with make money. This is NOT a review channel, but a multi-affiliate link business, that uses "reviews" as a tool to manipulate viewers.
You can't prove me wrong.
I want to print Cosplay Items like helmets cut for resin. Im thinking of the Sonic mega 8 k. I dont print miniatures
How is the consistency of this printer compared to a DLP printer? I'm particularly concerned about the LCD at the edges of the build area vs the center especially over an extended period of time. I intend to use a 3D printer to create props and hundreds of near duplicate faces for stop motion animation. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks
I honestly cannot see a difference. This is visibly as sharp and this one is a real machine rather than a toy
@@FauxHammer Interesting, I definitely see the value that it offers with the amount of time it saves but the material selection is still rather limited for now. Obviously the formlabs printers are in a different price range. Their cheapest printer now costs 4,500 USD. At the moment, its between the Ultracraft Reflex and a second hand Form 3. Thanks for the response.
I would like a simple best buy guide
Under £500
Under £1000
Over £1000
Gor beginners with no experience and for table top gaming :)
Saturn 4 Ultra
Uniformation GKTWO
UltraCraft Reflex
Very much appreciated :)
Thank you :)
Sorry for being a tard but can someone please explain the difference between the Reflex and Reflex RS? I don't get it. The RS seems to be better and cheaper, with the only downside being a smaller choice of compatible resins. Am I missing something?
Nope. That’s about it. There are some more features of the RS I would call pointless like a mechanical sluice gate and larger lcd. I have a video coming to explain the differences
@@FauxHammer Thanks, seems weird that they'd make "the better one" cheaper than "the worse one" but I'm certainly not complaining. Sorry you got so much hate for these reviews. I think a lot of people just don't understand that many of us want something that works out of the box without having to spend a bunch of time learning and calibrating and whatever. Either that or they do understand and they are just upset because this printer bypasses their gatekeeping. Either way, I'm all for it. Thanks again.
@@MonstaMunch101 I think it’s a redo at approaching the market and making intelligent cuts in features to become more accessible. The build quality does t feel quite as robust in this one but still far better than any other brand.
As for the hate, The same thing happened in FDM Printing when Bambu overtook Prusa… I’m just having to live with it now from the other side. I’m not fussed. Time is on my side.
@@FauxHammer Just as an FYI; I ordered an RS after this conversation yesterday, and promptly cancelled it this morning after learning that the machines are online-only. It didn't even cross my mind that they would require me to be online at all times. Not sure if you covered that point and I just missed it, but I think it's an important one to highlight as for many people that's an absolute deal breaker.
bit of a shame they don't really sell it in a lot of countries. so for now, a GK3 it'll be for me
Aren't Orks already pretty much Mad Max? I mean, unless you're a big fan of the movie, could you pick a Mad Max car out of a Speed Freaks army? But I digress
As others have said, I'm sure this is a top of the line printer. But the proprietary resin and even more so the price just keeps it from being a realistic option. I recently picked up a Bambu Labs A1, partly due to your suggestions. But it wasn't just ease of use that guided me there, but also the price. Likewise I'm hoping to get a resin printer on Black Friday this year, but an Elegoo Mars or maybe even Saturn is much, much more likely (again, largely due to your videos) that this.
That said, I can appreciate enjoying solid engineering and a good product. It's nice to see what top of the line can get you.
Thanks for the content and looking forward to meeting you at Gen Con!
It's 2024 and proprietary printing material is back from the dead. Hard pass. This definitely looks like the Bambu of resin though, in the same way that Bambu are slowly rotting FDM printing from the inside out with shady practices and lock-in.
Let's agree to disagree. I can't support a locked-in resin printer. I'm starting to wonder how real these reviews are becoming and whether they are financially motivated. Most of us are regular people who don't print in big resin farms and just want the best product for a reasonable price. I find your channel is slowly slipping away from what I liked in the beginning.
I like your honest approach, but lately I'm feeling more suspicious of the intent.
It's interesting you mentioned that as I contacted Heygears to get some cooperation on an engineering product I'm designing, where I would review the printer and materials in an engineering product development setting. From the 14 replies back and forward, it would look like Heygears were worried about such an engineering review and decided not to go with the cooperation. Now if I was printing mini's I'm sure they would have taken the offer.
As someone considering just getting into 3D printing, there is a lot here that appeals to me. With all of the reviews I seen on this machine & ecosystem, there are a few questions I haven't seen addressed:
Is there any sort of exhaust or filtration?
Given the sluice and autofill, how is cleaning the machine?
Any insight on warranty and replacement part costs/intervals vs. others?
Consensus seems to be that the auto support features of the software are excellent, but how are the tools for hollowing and drainage?
And finally, while the curing station is nice it is absurdly expensive and the wash station is problematic, what curing and washing stations would you recommend that will easily work with this build plate and area?
I am in the market for a 3d printer… my first! Though I’ve sculpted for years in Zbrush for illustration reference. I’ve put off 3d print because of the hassle. However, the resin cost hasn’t been one of the issues. See, we’ve lived with regular printers for decades that cost a fortune in inks, and a bit on paper. And it’s proprietary … canon. So for me it just sounds sensible economics to make a loss leader printer but tie you into resin.
I love watching your videos. It's like I watching a Monty Python episode. Even though I will never get a Resin printer ( because of health Issues, and Tiny Flat ). I thank you for making my day better with every Video.
Impress me: 1. Add a clamp in release film. Taking out and putting in 40+ screws is stupid. 2. Add a step in the wash container for the build plate. 3. Make the UI easy and as self-explainable as possible. And finally, 4. Provide a GOOD manual with complete instructions. If I have to google something for your product, it is not a good manual.
I just bought the Saturn 4 based off your review will be here tomorrow, Monday, now I see this lol... So was it a mistake. Is this that much better to deal with the return process and so forth. What's the pros cons between the two? 😅
The code was only valid for 2 weeks? Any chance if you can ask them to run it a bit longer? Thanks!
I have asked. I’m sorry. It will not be available again until Blacn Friday
@@FauxHammer Thanks for doing this. That's a bummer, guess I'll have to wait for 3 more months 😞
What are the odds they will have another discount code soon?
I wouldn’t think they will until at least November. Assuming they follow the usual sales periods
I'm still wringing the most I can out of an original Elegoo Mars - but will upgrade at some point. HeyGears is certainly on my radar, but one cheap resin in their range doesn't cut it. I often want to print unpainted parts, which means using a resin in an appropriate colour. Unfortunately, their coloured resins are twice the price of the affordable one. It's not like I go through gallons of the stuff, but just being able to have a choice will cost me a significant amount.
I have actually emailed them just now telling them this and more. You are not wrong and this probably isn’t the machine for you.
But those who are happy to pay for this and understand its limits will get them
I honestly don’t know another way this can be achieved now or in the near future
Hello Ross, would you recommend the UltraCraft Cure and UltraCraft Wash in addition to the UltraCraft Reflex or is it better to continue using the wash and cure station from Uniformation (GK2 set) and save the money or invest in the UltraCraft Pulsing Release Module?
What is the best open source 3d printer ? At a similar price mark.
385 wavelength would be more ideal but trying to look for good suggestions for both 385 and 405. Any help would be great!
Let me sell you a time share where you are locked into the company-store monopoly.
I understand your argument, but can't agree with it
What happens if the company disappears? You have a nice fancy doorstop
What if you want a resin they don't think is cost effective to make?
I will stick with the elegoo ps5
Really wish this had come out before I bought my GKTwo a month ago.
I don‘t care about the proprietary resin as long as they deliver good service. If i need resin it should be shipped quickly and as far as i can tell that is not the case.
Well, I realize my hobby is figures and when you spend so much time adjusting supporting and everything that goes with a traditional slicers and printers, I mean the early bird special on the GK3 was why $1000 I think the whole package $1599. This machine is well worth it. I guess it depends what you wanna spend your time doing constantly adjusting and trying to dial-in on every different resin that you use, I would go the extra mile and just say let me make figures so I can paint them easy Peezy