What will make us change? | Krishnamurti
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Powerful! 💗 My thoughts had a hold on me for more than half a century, until I started listening to K. Thanks! 🙏
Such a wonderful speech L wish that every one could listen to him
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Let’s get rid of that focus on change, but simply describe what is. As we can’t change from the ego, anyway.
Only closing the door. In one, by one.
Thank you.
Present will make us change.現實使人改變
Time to time introspection i hope might bring changes in ones thought and thereby in actions.
Radical change jesus! for that i will have to keep coming back.
It can be broken but by right action. Words are turned around by facts. Karma goes with action, not to much by thought.
Well said
Nope. You will just create another image this time of the right action.
It is there always. Be aware of it.
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Hi all what I understood by this is all I am writing below
Human brain is following the pattern which is given to us or being passed to us from generation to generation or by mankind.Know the question comes how to escape it
This pattern is called Chita
When We do the same thing continuosly our brain and thoughts process in the same pattern
Now how to break pattern?
Simply instruct your brain to change the pattern this is continuing process with you and your thoughts
Slowly you will notice that pattern is changing and brain is functioning in the way you programme it
It's just the game of change in pattern and observation of your own idea's
Radical, complete and lasting change of ones nature is as easy as to kiss own lips. But again what will make us change? What would make a lion to become vegetarian?
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I can see that I have imagines about myself and about everyone and everything but still cannot figure out how to go beyond them. I am becoming more aware of them but I am not sure how this radical change/ shift in consciousness ( that is being beyond time) will take place just by being aware of the images?
When you say "How do i go beyond that?"..you must see ..that you can't do anything about your images.
Bcz every action you take to get rid of these images. That "Action" would be the product of your mind( you will seek for solution in your mind..you know that). Means the product of your knowledge. And knowledge is always limited.
So, just do nothing. Look at them as they come. Don't try to get rid of them. Bcz it's you. Yourself. You are watching the content of your consciousness. You are knowing yourself.
Aim is not to get rid of them but to be aware of them so that you know when they come and then you can either accept them or change as you like..your actions are not mechanical anymore.
@@kaushaltomar8627 Well written
But is this the point JK was talking about? Isn't he asking what 1 shud do to change?
I'll try a trivial example -- I watch few movies in theaters and few on OTT. Slowly I notice that majority of the movies are not good enough to spend my time in travelling to the theater, buy ticket, wait for movie to play, return home, traffic, etc. Instead watch on OTT.
So, "futility" of some repetitive action makes me realize to DROP it and save that time.
What u wrote is perfect. But we can't just watch our thoughts and not do anything. Even if we want spiritual growth we still have to work towards our targets in the world. Eventually everything is to to maximize happiness. What if, how much ever time we spend, we don't get good enough spiritual growth, and our life in the world also fails. So we need to strike a balance
Makes sense?
@@madhukiranattivilli2321 I'm glad you replied. I would like to hear your views further.
Yes, i said one can't do anything about images..but i didn't say to stop acting. Even in the last paragraph i said, "once you are aware of you images, you can accept them or change them as you like".
Further, when i say, one should be aware of their images but shouldn't much bother about acting over them is bcz if one is too concerned about "Acting" that action could be a product of their own thoughts again.
Let me try to explain:
Suppose i do certain action and i became aware of images which pushes that action and said "It's meaningless, It's waste of time".
And i say, wasting time is bad (which is a conclusion, means knowledge, means past) then i want an action to correct it..right?....which would be like.."I'm not going to do that again.. it's meaningless" and now see what just happened..I have created an another "Image" which is "This action is meaningless and one shouldn't do meaningless things".
Now I have changed myself but not radically instead I change my one image into another image, changed from one pattern to another pattern.
You might know what JK says about "Learning". He says, it's a continuous process, it's dieing to everything every second, watching everything afresh , anew everytime without any conclusions bcz conclusions are past knowledge/images stored in our brain and past eyes can't see the new present. [i know it's too much..but the way he describes it is awesome]
Now, you may ask"What should one do then?" and yes, you are right. I can't watch my thoughts endlessly.
Then i think, one should take action but be aware of those actions. See images behind it and, change and accept your actions as you like. Then our actions are no longer mechanical. It's real freedom. Acting based on images, which is acting in certain direction, is torturing.
And at last, hapiness is not something one cultivates, bcz cultivation refers that i know what happiness is and what i know means knowledge, knowledge is past images. So it's not happiness, it pleasure..means product of thought.
I removed empty spaces between words in your long text and it was impossible to read. See and find your self in space between incoming images where is peace and presence.
@kaushaltomar8627 you say aim is not to get rid of them, I'm not sure I agree. One wants to get rid of the negative things one has, jk always said for example, to go into finding out if it's possible to be completely free of fear/suffering, so there must be an aim towards an action. Watching isn't enough, else you just watch your thoughts to what end? Who is the observer observing the thoughts? Thought says "i will watch my thoughts " then we re trapped again. There must be an action, and an aim towards this action to change, instantly.
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I did not get the conclusion.. Is that the end of the answer?
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@@kft Thanks got it. 🙏🙏🙏☺️
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Cannot come from outside. Does not work.
Ergo cannot be found by words. It is not something you share in a conversation.
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