(Extract from Relentless Strike by Sean Naylor talks about this operation) The operator who threw the grenade, his shooting buddy, and the team leader who covered it up were moved out of the unit. For the other two operators, this expulsion was temporary. Each returned to Team 6. For the operator who threw the grenade, the exclusion was permanent. “To this day, the guy that threw the grenade, he’s a wreck,” said a senior Team 6 operator several years later. Team 6’s reputation had also suffered. “This is a big failure for the command,” said the senior operator. Within seven months, however, the unit would have a chance to redeem itself. The operator who had thrown the grenade was on his first Team 6 deployment, and had previously been warned about throwing grenades on missions, said a senior Team 6 operator. “They counseled him but didn’t do anything,” he said. “They probably should have moved him on.” But there were other factors behind the mission failure. Silver Squadron did no hostage rescue training during its pre-deployment workup, the senior Team 6 operator said. Instead, the team focused on “combat clearance” techniques. “[In] hostage rescue clearance, there is no scenario-no scenario-where you grab a grenade,” the operator said. The same was not true for combat clearance. “So you’ve got a brand-new guy that made it through selection, gets to the squadron, and doesn’t do any hostage rescue training beforehand. So he goes on deployment and he performs as trained.” The senior Team 6 operator called into question the decision to use Silver Squadron for the mission: “If you haven’t trained to it in six months, you don’t do it.”
I wish the evil P0S that tossed the grenade gets a very slow painful death. He should have been sent to jail for life this is why ALL navy seals are worthless jokes and needs to be disbanded as there are just evil clownes
Dang, at first I thought it was negligence that caused it, especially because they covered it up, but with this added context I see it was ignorance. The poor guy did not know and worked with what he did. I feel sympathy for him and for everyone involved.
@@whoareyou1034 His leaders were negligent in preparing him for the mission, and their leadership qualities were lacking in not inspiring the men to say the truth about the incident. Par for the course with Navy SEALs.
I spent many years in Afghanistan at varies bases and FOB's and always blew my mind the NGO's and Aid Workers who would travel around unprotected, hundreds if not more where kidnapped, assaulted, and sometimes murdered. One small FOB I was at, in the middle of a real bad guy area, a woman showed up in the middle of night saying she had been kidnapped and raped, but was able to sneak away in the middle of the night and some how stumbled across our FOB. Everyone at the FOB was speechless!
Some are incredibly brave, others I think are misinformed. A lot of NGOs have got in trouble for lying to workers about the level of security that they'll receive.
Just for history all hostage rescue teams stopped carrying Grenades on HR ops. That is until 2015-2016 when our guys were incapable of performing a rescue in a hotel. Being the enemy had grenade. So the rule was changed back.
It's good to hear when it doesn't go right. Stuff happens in battle and way to often we only hear about the successful missions. I'm not happy it went bad just it's good to acknowledge failure.
@Robert Sears blame his leadership for taking him on the mission, they knew he wasn't prepared and wasn't well trained for HR, he was working with what he had. And honestly i couldn't say I've would have done any different, they teach you to work with what you got and he did just that, just this time it cost someone's life.
@@C.I.A.Headquarters It don't matter he murdered a civilian he needs to be charged. Why they even had those things on a rescue mission show how worthless the seals are. They are all Hollywood jokes.
@Robert Sears he wasn't charged because he was in fear for his and his teams life, he didn't know she was in there so it's not murderer, and the reason why they have grenades on hostage rescue is because of the same situation, if you go in and someone is aiming a ak at the door you and everyone else who steps in are going to die.
No using the grenade was wrong, the seals are trained to never use grenades on a hostage rescue unfortunately the guys who threw it wasn’t trained in hostage rescue but in combat clearance were grenades are used, command failed to pick the right guys.
I can't help but feel this tragedy is kinda emblematic of the US-led war in Afghanistan. The best-trained, best-equipped troops in the world fly in by night to execute a near-impossible task... And the whole thing gets squandered when one guy makes a mistake. Whether it was an operator or a general, that happened *often* in Afghanistan.
It’s a tragedy that unfortunately is sometimes unavoidable due to any number of reasons, I’m sure the Seals involved felt like shit about it but it’s not the first nor the last time a hostage rescue goes sideways, may she RIP, condolences to her family and friends 🙏🏻💙
All of these events happened in seconds, or fractions of a second. It doesn't matter how well trained you are, when bullets are coming towards you, your mind operates differently. No way could they gave known that Linda was in that trench. Bless her family and those sent to rescue her.
Here's some info from the inquest: One of the SEAL operators told the inquest how his mind was racing at ”a million miles a minute” the team came under intense fire as they landed and Linda was killed just 59 seconds later, the inquest in Trowbridge, Wilts., heard. Yesterday the soldier who threw grenade - known only as Team Member Five (TM5) - told how he was ”freaked out” when his weapon jammed as he tried to return fire. They believed Linda was being held in an adjacent building but she was actually being hidden in a building just feet from where they landed. TM5 and a colleague TM3 made their way along a terrace as other colleagues followed behind. But they then came under a volley of gunfire from the building where Linda was being held, which TM5 described as a ”fatal funnel” which left them ”exposed” to the enemy fire and he feared for the lives of himself and his team mates. The ”zero visibility” conditions meant none of the soldiers spotted Linda, who was dressed in loose dark clothes, being dragged out of the building by a burly insurgent who was joined by two other armed kidnappers. Miss Norgrove, who was lying wounded at the bottom of the steps after being shot in the leg by a ricochet from TM1’s rifle, was killed when the grenade landed next to her. Fearing for his life, TM5 launched a grenade at the house at the same time as his team leader on the roof fired shots at the insurgent, who was lying on the floor. He (TM5) had been warned about ”being careful” regarding his use of grenades during a previous operation in Afghanistan.
@@nick1635 It's surprising he was allowed in DEVGRU in the first place. Maybe the accelerated recruiting to those type of units is having an impact on the quality of their professionalism. Then again, Murphy's Law is unavoidable on a long enough timeline.
War is hell, in the fog of war mistakes will be made, no one is immune to errors, even after a failure like this these men stand at the tip of the spear ready to do violence and risk their lives to stand between good and evil. I see many nobodys talking crap about the SEAL teams, some people including me who had the honor of not only knowing a few of them but have also trained with them i will say that they are incredible warriors and deserve each amount of respect that they get.
Bullshit. Her location was fog of war but this was a hostage rescue no one on that team should have even had offense grenades like that in their kit for that. Second, the team as a whole wasn’t fresh on hostage rescue and the guy in question never trained hostage rescue after Green Team. This was a Delta job and much like many other SEAL failures(red wing) this was the result of shoving primarily assaulters into a niche they don’t belong and are ill trained for.
Jesus Christ, those guys made things so much worse by lying to their command in the first place. If they had just told the truth, most likely nobody would have been disciplined very harshly. Since they bullshitted however, every senior member of the squadron doing the assault would have been subjected to the harshest of debriefs, and threats of all sorts. Stupid decision.
So Delta operator saves over 70 hostages damn near single handedly and ST6 operator kills hostage by throwing a grenade in the room she's being held in and yet people actually think the SEALS are as good as DELTA lol! Tragic loss for this lady and her family!!
Terrible occurrence during this mission. You can't fault anyone for this. May She RIP, May She Rise in Glory. To the ones who went to get her, respect.
@patrickcanter6136 You on the ground with them? You perfect enough to pull this off without a hitch? No one ever understands how challenging it is to pull these kinds of undertakings off!
I'm sure everyone in the team will sadly live with the loss for the rest of there lives...we don't make mistakes like this but who was to know? But it doesn't make it any easier to live with....😔
Thats war anything can happen unintentionally. Those brave men gave their live and those very tiny little happenings are part of it. Those bosses just sit in office doing nothing but blaming those who out fighting
These aid workers in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc., are absolutely insane. Their government should not allow any non-soldiers to deploy to these schitt holes.
Tragic to be sure. This only highlights the inherent risk in hostage rescue, the nature of those operations is that almost nothing will go unchanged the moment the enemy learns of your presence. RIP to Ms. Norgrove.
It's nice to read all the comments written by person who have been in combat and hostage rescues situations, when we all know that is not true. Unless you have experienced what it is like under combat conditions and how u react to situations. Thanks to the US Military
Yeah I think 'might have accidentally blowing the hostage up.' really falls under mandatory reporting when it comes to after action reports and there really is no two ways about that.
it was really a good idea to roam in a country that your country invaded and people there are active in war against you your country. also it was really a good idea not to negotiate a deal
Here's something else which we don't know it's true at all or not - "The Intercept, stated that Linda Norgrove, a 36-year-old Briton employed by global development company DAI, also “secretly worked with Britain’s MI6, according to four US military and intelligence sources”."
That's certainly a possibility but bear in mind that just about any civilian in a war zone will be approached by intelligence services for the tiniest details, like weather, how many civilians are in need of aid, protection or medical care, so that in itself is nothing unusual. I think it would be difficult to find a single aid worker you couldn't connect to an intelligence service in one capacity or another.
@@alichahin That's not true. I'm ex military and an aid worker in conflict zones. A very small number do, but it's more often just your usual diplomats and foreign office officials.
Oof, yeah, this was the OP I was recalling. The attempted cover up made the mistake so much worse. Late 2000s to early 2010s SOF was a bit of a hot mess. There were way too many missions, and not enough troops. The OPTEMPO burned out a lot of people. Recruiting standards and selection rates were changed. New squadrons, battalions, and platoons were added. Unfortunately, there were a lot of issues between the burn out and the inexperience. There were disciplinary issues across multiple missions. Definitely some class 2 fun.
@@lorddaver5729 He threw a grenade into a gully where an insurgent was firing on them. He didn't know Linda was there, did you even bother to watch the video?
He threw a grenade into an area where they knew she was in the vicinity. You don't use grenades when trying to rescue a hostage. You only use aimed shots. Standard procedure for British special forces. @@callumg_0147
Throwing the grenade was incompetence. Lying about it afterwards and claiming the terrorist had a bomb vest on was inexcusable. Everyone in that sailor’s chain of command should have been relieved from the unit as a minimum and the sailor who initially lied about it should have been discharged from the service and be glad he didn’t spend time at Ft Leavenworth making big rocks into little rocks. SEALs should try sticking to missions that involve actual water (remember when that was their thing? The “S” part?).
Interesting you can watch vids of ex seals talk about the lessons of using hand grenade in hostage situation. It’s unfortunately but there are risk been involved as aid workers just as very skill SF operators.
It's just bizarre that he would, in no circumstances doing hostage rescue whether military or law enforcement would you ever, ever, ever consider throwing a grenade.
im a little confused, the ac130 was providing overhead support, probably through thermals, did they not spot more than one potential combatant, and isn't this the whole point of proper ISR?
Those guys risked their lives, but why in the hell does the military, at all levels, feel the need to "cover up." Integrity violations only seem to matter when the military wants to nail someone.
I fought in Afghanistan yea 2 deployments over there early 05 n 09 we also did Iraq in 06 and that was a scary one holy crap . Afghanistan is scary AF your not fighting dumb insurgents your fighting hardened war fighters that aren’t effected by the mountains etc they fly in those mountains with sandals absolutely amazing. They use excellent tactics shoot,move n communicate. They study your movements n plan accordingly toughest guys I ever came across . Don’t get me wrong the insurgents in Iraq weren’t no push over they adapted to our tactics and fought like hell in 06 . I’m saddened that this didn’t have a happy ending n my heart goes out to her family . Seeing the world from a military eye I’ll never the leave the states again . We’re not the most loved out there
Pretty much how the SEALs are when missions go south. -Brings frag grenade on hostage rescue. -Kills hostage -Tries to cover up story on the ride back -gets caught lying
When bullet are flying towards you don't have time to assert whether single guy is shooting or they are holding someone you immediately retaliate that's human reflex.. it's just wrong time wrong place for Linda.. . RIP
Shit happens in war no one should be blamed in hostage rescue the operation can either go spectacularly right or spectacularly wrong so please people no piss taking or abuse especially if you have no combat experience
I wouldn’t fault the Seal. Someone who wasn’t there being shot at in a very stressful situation doesn’t have the right to pass judgment. Besides that, what were the odds that she’d be there instead of locked up in a room somewhere in the compound? Shit happens. I hope the Seal isn’t too hard on himself. He acted under fire and probably had no idea she’d be out in a gully.
The action itself may not be reprimandable, as he was acting in self defense and was unaware the hostage was there even has some others have pointed out that throwing grenades is not advised in hostage rescue operations it could be forgiven, however the covering up of the incident is another story completely and had the senior officers not conducted proper due diligence in investigating the after action report the truth may have never been known. So while I wouldn't fault him entirely for the grenade throw and the accidental killing I would entirely fault him, and the others, for the attempt to conceal the facts.
Lot's of people in the comments blaming the woman. Like you do realize the entire goal of the US, UK, and others in the doomed/failed war in Afghanistan was to 'develop' and 'liberate' the country? That was literally the mission, and aid workers were a necessary part of that mission. To say the military belongs there but aid workers don't is incoherent unless you think the military should be involved in endless wars. If you want, blame the governments for fighting a pointless 20 year war of occupation with an impossible goal, that's fine. But don't blame the aid worker whose job is trying to achieve that impossible goal.
@@SwissMarksman That's literally the only logical take one can have, dingbat. I was a former commando in Afghanistan and now work in the NGO sector. What they said is correct. The military, on paper at least, is supposed to be there to create the space needed for a political solution to work. Aid workers are there for similar reasons, including clearing explosive ordnance so that land can be used, providing clean water for the communities, assisting IDPs, and helping to organize victim assistance. Do you think we just go in to wipe out an entire country militarily and then leave?
The person who is solely to blame for Ms. Norgrove's death is her. It was foolish and reckless in the extreme for her to be in Afghanistan, wandering around. She is also responsible for everyone who died or was injured trying to rescue her. The men who charged into harms way for a fool deserve nothing but respect and sympothy for having to risk their lives for this idiot and now they have to live knowing they failed, she died and at least 3 of them faced discipline... all for a fool...
The fact that they actually tried to cover it up by omission is a real kicker. I mean you could say that yeah, shit happens, they had no reason at all to consider that she'd be at the bottom of some random gully. But failing to report that you threw a grenade into the area where her body was discovered? And the whole team failing to report that one of it's members did throw a grenade into that gully? Yeah, that is symptomatic of a problematic culture brewing in the unit. You can't have soldiers deciding that command don't need to know what they're doing, even if it's by accident.
Disciplined for doing your job when odds were against you. Perhaps people in the world should be responsible for their own citizens. If you are gonna get off the porch u gotta face the consequences.
Rest in peace Linda, sometimes in the War on terrorism, things like that happens, I hate the fact that she lost her life while Seal Team Six aka DEVGRU have tried to rescue her against the terrorists. Seal Team Six are still the best of the best Shadow Warriors never out of the fight against the terrorists and the other enemies of freedom everywhere by any means necessary at all times and all costs
Its unfortunate, but high risk operations can result in less than desirable outcomes - Glad that the Seals were only disciplined. Here in Australia we tend to arrest and charge our Special Forces soldiers with murder, strip them of medals and allow civilian based groups to air our dirty laundry to the world
@@goodshipkaraboudjan.. The biggest modern successful hostage rescue of the 21st century was conducted by Delta force and Kurdish CTG, saving over 70 hostages from ISIS in 2015, and they deployed multiple frags in that raid and had no issues, killing multiple ISIS fighters. Delta operator Thomas Payne even talks about using grenades while on top of a ISIS controlled building during the assault. No hostages killed. Then you have the Maili hotel terrorist attack where multiple hostages were taken and both Delta and French SF killed the terrorists with grenades while they were pinned down.. no hostages were killed. Maby? it’s possible you don’t know what you’re talking about ?
This operation was covered in the book Relentless Strike by Sean Naylor.. The 1st false claim that was 1st told in the UK media was that the SEALs just threw a random grenade into a room. That never happened. The intelligence on her location was flawed and during the firefight, ISR had not seen that a enemy fighter dragged her out of a near by structure and into some rocky cover. The 2nd false claim was that all the SEALs had grenades on them, the only operators on target that had HE-ordnance was the outer cordon security teams that were tasked with containment of the target area. The fighter holding Norgrove fired on one of these teams and that’s where the operator had a weapons jam of his belt fed SAW. The 3nd false claim was that the SEALs just out right lied about the aftermath, when in fact multiple fighters had S-Vests on and being this was a night time operation, it made the SSE and and AAR much more prolonged and dragged out.. The SEAL that threw that grenade was removed from the command and it’s said in Naylors book, that he’s an emotional wreck to this day. Not for being kicked out, but for killing Norgrove. Anyone who wants to talk to shit and claim the SAS could of done better should probably ask why they were not even considered in the 1st place lol
@@dragonjarl.. What does Special Operations have to do with the Military? They’re tasked, funded, organized and trained completely different then anything in the broader military. The Rules of Engagement are not even the same. Sounds like you know completely fuck all?
@@dragonjarl When the British were the world's foremost superpower, they lost to the US twice. Then they proceeded to lose modern warships to a 3rd world country in 1982 in the Falklands. The reputation of the British military among its allies is woefully poor.
@@cbbees1468 the UK had bigger battles to win when fighting the U.S like Napoleon and France. Hey at least the UK didn't lose that war to a 3rd world country unlike the U.S and their war with rice farmers in Vietnam.
Didn't you watch the video you mong ? He literally says why no Brits weren't involved, but if they were it's a fact she wouldn't have died from a fucking grenade from one of her rescuers. Get your head out of American books and you'll realise your forces aren't all that.
I kinda feel like it’s the eye in the skies objective to relay any and all information on the battle field to the operators. Didn’t the predator drone see 2 people running to the gulley and couldn’t it see that one might be a woman? Or maybe have her hands tied or anything that could represent her being a hostage…Uncle Sam can take pictures of my dick from space as I piss off of my back porch but somehow he can’t see 5,000 feet down with a night Vision telescope mounted on a predator drone? Governments are just a laughable idea…
So is DEVGRU. It's not really a cost issue. It's the UK didn't have the assets in Afghanistan to transport and support an SAS rescue force deployed hundreds of miles by air from the base of British military operations in the country. That means the only practical way to pull off such a mission is the British taking operational control of US assets such as the 160th SOAR and AFSOC for transport and CAS, and the 75th Ranger Regiment for a security element. No way would JSOC or US Central Command, allow UKSF to take operational control of American assets in a British led mission. Get a US bird shot down on an op ran by the British, and it would be the Queen apologizing to the President instead of the reverse as happened in real life.
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(Extract from Relentless Strike by Sean Naylor talks about this operation)
The operator who threw the grenade, his shooting buddy, and the team leader who covered it up were moved out of the unit. For the other two operators, this expulsion was temporary. Each returned to Team 6. For the operator who threw the grenade, the exclusion was permanent. “To this day, the guy that threw the grenade, he’s a wreck,” said a senior Team 6 operator several years later. Team 6’s reputation had also suffered. “This is a big failure for the command,” said the senior operator. Within seven months, however, the unit would have a chance to redeem itself.
The operator who had thrown the grenade was on his first Team 6 deployment, and had previously been warned about throwing grenades on missions, said a senior Team 6 operator. “They counseled him but didn’t do anything,” he said. “They probably should have moved him on.” But there were other factors behind the mission failure. Silver Squadron did no hostage rescue training during its pre-deployment workup, the senior Team 6 operator said. Instead, the team focused on “combat clearance” techniques. “[In] hostage rescue clearance, there is no scenario-no scenario-where you grab a grenade,” the operator said. The same was not true for combat clearance. “So you’ve got a brand-new guy that made it through selection, gets to the squadron, and doesn’t do any hostage rescue training beforehand. So he goes on deployment and he performs as trained.” The senior Team 6 operator called into question the decision to use Silver Squadron for the mission: “If you haven’t trained to it in six months, you don’t do it.”
This helps add some good context. Thanks.
I wish the evil P0S that tossed the grenade gets a very slow painful death.
He should have been sent to jail for life this is why ALL navy seals are worthless jokes and needs to be disbanded as there are just evil clownes
Dang, at first I thought it was negligence that caused it, especially because they covered it up, but with this added context I see it was ignorance. The poor guy did not know and worked with what he did. I feel sympathy for him and for everyone involved.
Thank u for the extra info
@@whoareyou1034 His leaders were negligent in preparing him for the mission, and their leadership qualities were lacking in not inspiring the men to say the truth about the incident. Par for the course with Navy SEALs.
I spent many years in Afghanistan at varies bases and FOB's and always blew my mind the NGO's and Aid Workers who would travel around unprotected, hundreds if not more where kidnapped, assaulted, and sometimes murdered. One small FOB I was at, in the middle of a real bad guy area, a woman showed up in the middle of night saying she had been kidnapped and raped, but was able to sneak away in the middle of the night and some how stumbled across our FOB. Everyone at the FOB was speechless!
Some are incredibly brave, others I think are misinformed. A lot of NGOs have got in trouble for lying to workers about the level of security that they'll receive.
Thank you yanks, you did your best and risked it all to try and get one of our own back home, much respect
At least they tried to save her. Commendable to be willing to risk your own life to rescue a stranger
Dam, that is a tough one. 😞
Just for history all hostage rescue teams stopped carrying Grenades on HR ops. That is until 2015-2016 when our guys were incapable of performing a rescue in a hotel. Being the enemy had grenade. So the rule was changed back.
Why not flashbank instead?
@@dyfrigshandyit’s a “flashbang”. In an open area you prefer a stun grenade over a flashbang as well. Why he didn’t use them? No one knows
It's good to hear when it doesn't go right. Stuff happens in battle and way to often we only hear about the successful missions. I'm not happy it went bad just it's good to acknowledge failure.
I just hope the evil p0s that murdered that innocent lady meats a very slow painful end. What a evil monster he is.
@@robertsears8323 same goes for every American serviceman who helped in bombing civilians and destroying the country
@Robert Sears blame his leadership for taking him on the mission, they knew he wasn't prepared and wasn't well trained for HR, he was working with what he had.
And honestly i couldn't say I've would have done any different, they teach you to work with what you got and he did just that, just this time it cost someone's life.
@@C.I.A.Headquarters It don't matter he murdered a civilian he needs to be charged. Why they even had those things on a rescue mission show how worthless the seals are. They are all Hollywood jokes.
@Robert Sears he wasn't charged because he was in fear for his and his teams life, he didn't know she was in there so it's not murderer, and the reason why they have grenades on hostage rescue is because of the same situation, if you go in and someone is aiming a ak at the door you and everyone else who steps in are going to die.
I will always appreciate these videos and how they keep it unbiased. Also the low playing somber music is unmatched. Rip
Thankyou for these very informative videos. This incident was so sad
Glad to be here early finally. Love this channel!
damn thats a tough way to hear this story ending the old saying comes to mind " war is ugly " tragic for sure rip to her
I’ve been waiting for you to do this one.
Oh that sucks so bad for everyone involved. I can understand the use of the grenade, but it would be hard to forgive not disclosing it in the AAR.
The only reason that evil P0S used that grenade was only because he is pure evil
He should have been arrested and sent to jail for life
@@robertsears8323 And what pronoun should we use when referring to you?
@@PersonalityMalfunctionThis idiot loves to troll the channel. Just ignore him.
@@PersonalityMalfunction black/white
No using the grenade was wrong, the seals are trained to never use grenades on a hostage rescue unfortunately the guys who threw it wasn’t trained in hostage rescue but in combat clearance were grenades are used, command failed to pick the right guys.
I can't help but feel this tragedy is kinda emblematic of the US-led war in Afghanistan. The best-trained, best-equipped troops in the world fly in by night to execute a near-impossible task... And the whole thing gets squandered when one guy makes a mistake. Whether it was an operator or a general, that happened *often* in Afghanistan.
Man what a terrible situation. So sad.
It’s a tragedy that unfortunately is sometimes unavoidable due to any number of reasons, I’m sure the Seals involved felt like shit about it but it’s not the first nor the last time a hostage rescue goes sideways, may she RIP, condolences to her family and friends 🙏🏻💙
All of these events happened in seconds, or fractions of a second. It doesn't matter how well trained you are, when bullets are coming towards you, your mind operates differently. No way could they gave known that Linda was in that trench. Bless her family and those sent to rescue her.
Thanks mate, subscriber, keep 'em coming.
Here's some info from the inquest:
One of the SEAL operators told the inquest how his mind was racing at ”a million miles a minute”
the team came under intense fire as they landed and Linda was killed just 59 seconds later, the inquest in Trowbridge, Wilts., heard.
Yesterday the soldier who threw grenade - known only as Team Member Five (TM5) - told how he was ”freaked out” when his weapon jammed as he tried to return fire.
They believed Linda was being held in an adjacent building but she was actually being hidden in a building just feet from where they landed.
TM5 and a colleague TM3 made their way along a terrace as other colleagues followed behind.
But they then came under a volley of gunfire from the building where Linda was being held, which TM5 described as a ”fatal funnel” which left them ”exposed” to the enemy fire and he feared for the lives of himself and his team mates.
The ”zero visibility” conditions meant none of the soldiers spotted Linda, who was dressed in loose dark clothes, being dragged out of the building by a burly insurgent who was joined by two other armed kidnappers.
Miss Norgrove, who was lying wounded at the bottom of the steps after being shot in the leg by a ricochet from TM1’s rifle, was killed when the grenade landed next to her.
Fearing for his life, TM5 launched a grenade at the house at the same time as his team leader on the roof fired shots at the insurgent, who was lying on the floor.
He (TM5) had been warned about ”being careful” regarding his use of grenades during a previous operation in Afghanistan.
Thanks for the background.
The operator lied and cannot be trusted as accurate and honest.
@@nick1635 It's surprising he was allowed in DEVGRU in the first place. Maybe the accelerated recruiting to those type of units is having an impact on the quality of their professionalism. Then again, Murphy's Law is unavoidable on a long enough timeline.
Man being stuck in the korengal valley is not a good place to be. The valley seems to made for fighting!
War is hell, in the fog of war mistakes will be made, no one is immune to errors, even after a failure like this these men stand at the tip of the spear ready to do violence and risk their lives to stand between good and evil. I see many nobodys talking crap about the SEAL teams, some people including me who had the honor of not only knowing a few of them but have also trained with them i will say that they are incredible warriors and deserve each amount of respect that they get.
Bullshit. Her location was fog of war but this was a hostage rescue no one on that team should have even had offense grenades like that in their kit for that. Second, the team as a whole wasn’t fresh on hostage rescue and the guy in question never trained hostage rescue after Green Team. This was a Delta job and much like many other SEAL failures(red wing) this was the result of shoving primarily assaulters into a niche they don’t belong and are ill trained for.
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Damn that is extremely unlucky, RIP.
Jesus Christ, those guys made things so much worse by lying to their command in the first place. If they had just told the truth, most likely nobody would have been disciplined very harshly. Since they bullshitted however, every senior member of the squadron doing the assault would have been subjected to the harshest of debriefs, and threats of all sorts. Stupid decision.
This one hurt. May linda Rest In Peace
her blood fed the mountain flowers, just so a goat can eat it
So Delta operator saves over 70 hostages damn near single handedly and ST6 operator kills hostage by throwing a grenade in the room she's being held in and yet people actually think the SEALS are as good as DELTA lol! Tragic loss for this lady and her family!!
The fog of war..so tragic for her loss😢😢
She should not have been in Afghanistan.
Mooj using a woman as a human shield. Cowardly.
@@tudyk21 shoulda stayed home with het crumpets and tea LOL
@@Th3Mavr1ck She had more balls than you to go out and try to make a change in the world.
Terrible occurrence during this mission. You can't fault anyone for this. May She RIP, May She Rise in Glory. To the ones who went to get her, respect.
You can absolutely fault someone for this, what the hell are you talking about?
@patrickcanter6136 You on the ground with them? You perfect enough to pull this off without a hitch? No one ever understands how challenging it is to pull these kinds of undertakings off!
@@paddylight737 dumb ass response
@@paddylight737 Another armchair operator.
Feel bad for the CCT who controlled the drone to get intel on her location and was with DEV on the op itself. Those guys never get any credit😆
I'm sure everyone in the team will sadly live with the loss for the rest of there lives...we don't make mistakes like this but who was to know? But it doesn't make it any easier to live with....😔
What a sad story 😢.
Thats war anything can happen unintentionally. Those brave men gave their live and those very tiny little happenings are part of it. Those bosses just sit in office doing nothing but blaming those who out fighting
These aid workers in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc., are absolutely insane. Their government should not allow any non-soldiers to deploy to these schitt holes.
This is so sad 😞 Seal Teams are highly trained and risk their lives in these types of special operations, but they are still human and make mistakes.
Tragic to be sure. This only highlights the inherent risk in hostage rescue, the nature of those operations is that almost nothing will go unchanged the moment the enemy learns of your presence.
RIP to Ms. Norgrove.
Linda was a seasoned officer with Mi6.
He basically did wat he was trained to do....they shud of gave a full after action report but they knew they fucked up an lied instead of owning it
I wa swaiting for ur video
Unfortunately, Team 6 has had integrity issues since its inception.
It's nice to read all the comments written by person who have been in combat and hostage rescues situations, when we all know that is not true. Unless you have experienced what it is like under combat conditions and how u react to situations. Thanks to the US Military
At least they tryed respect too them
MAY GOD BLESS HER FAMILY AND MAY GOD BLESS HER SOUL TO RIP FOREVER AND EVERMORE🙏❤️
Delta Force is the better option for hostage rescues.
Seals are great at what they do.
They all train for hostage rescue, how can one be a better option?
@@BullGator-kd6ge that team didn't train for hostage rescue during the 6 months leading up to the operation.
the seal through a grenade were she was and killed her
As much as it’s tragic I think it’s her altruism that brought about this tragedy. Do gooder!
Yeah I think 'might have accidentally blowing the hostage up.' really falls under mandatory reporting when it comes to after action reports and there really is no two ways about that.
We owned up the mistakes. 💙
You don't take frags on a hostage rescue.
Lads that's life, sometimes it works and sometimes it don't. Get up añd carry on and learn by it.
RIP Linda
it was really a good idea to roam in a country that your country invaded and people there are active in war against you your country. also it was really a good idea not to negotiate a deal
Nice
Here's something else which we don't know it's true at all or not - "The Intercept, stated that Linda Norgrove, a 36-year-old Briton employed by global development company DAI, also “secretly worked with Britain’s MI6, according to four US military and intelligence sources”."
That's certainly a possibility but bear in mind that just about any civilian in a war zone will be approached by intelligence services for the tiniest details, like weather, how many civilians are in need of aid, protection or medical care, so that in itself is nothing unusual. I think it would be difficult to find a single aid worker you couldn't connect to an intelligence service in one capacity or another.
Most of the "Humanitarian " workers in conflict zones work with intelligence agencies.
@@alichahin That's not true. I'm ex military and an aid worker in conflict zones. A very small number do, but it's more often just your usual diplomats and foreign office officials.
Oh, IIRC, this will end in tragedy.
Oof, yeah, this was the OP I was recalling. The attempted cover up made the mistake so much worse. Late 2000s to early 2010s SOF was a bit of a hot mess. There were way too many missions, and not enough troops. The OPTEMPO burned out a lot of people. Recruiting standards and selection rates were changed. New squadrons, battalions, and platoons were added. Unfortunately, there were a lot of issues between the burn out and the inexperience. There were disciplinary issues across multiple missions. Definitely some class 2 fun.
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I can only imagine how much the SAS was pissed about this.
The fog of war 😔
You don't throw a grenade into the room where the hostage you are trying to rescue is being held. That is murderous incompetence.
@@lorddaver5729 He threw a grenade into a gully where an insurgent was firing on them. He didn't know Linda was there, did you even bother to watch the video?
He threw a grenade into an area where they knew she was in the vicinity. You don't use grenades when trying to rescue a hostage. You only use aimed shots. Standard procedure for British special forces. @@callumg_0147
Throwing the grenade was incompetence. Lying about it afterwards and claiming the terrorist had a bomb vest on was inexcusable. Everyone in that sailor’s chain of command should have been relieved from the unit as a minimum and the sailor who initially lied about it should have been discharged from the service and be glad he didn’t spend time at Ft Leavenworth making big rocks into little rocks. SEALs should try sticking to missions that involve actual water (remember when that was their thing? The “S” part?).
Interesting you can watch vids of ex seals talk about the lessons of using hand grenade in hostage situation. It’s unfortunately but there are risk been involved as aid workers just as very skill SF operators.
This is a pretty common sense thing that shouldn’t have needed to be learned. In a hostage rescue using any weapon that isn’t surgical is just stupid
It's just bizarre that he would, in no circumstances doing hostage rescue whether military or law enforcement would you ever, ever, ever consider throwing a grenade.
Unless you know the location of your hostage not assuming she's not there. 😮 Hope they learn their lesson.
Brave US guys ..The guy who throw the grenade must feel so sick.
Damn. That's tragic af. I feel so bad. The facts being withheld is so toxic and disgusting.
im a little confused, the ac130 was providing overhead support, probably through thermals, did they not spot more than one potential combatant, and isn't this the whole point of proper ISR?
Yeah this is why you dont use grenades in a hostage mission.. Kinda what they get for sending SEALs instead of Delta.
Poor Linda.
Those guys risked their lives, but why in the hell does the military, at all levels, feel the need to "cover up." Integrity violations only seem to matter when the military wants to nail someone.
I fought in Afghanistan yea 2 deployments over there early 05 n 09 we also did Iraq in 06 and that was a scary one holy crap . Afghanistan is scary AF your not fighting dumb insurgents your fighting hardened war fighters that aren’t effected by the mountains etc they fly in those mountains with sandals absolutely amazing. They use excellent tactics shoot,move n communicate. They study your movements n plan accordingly toughest guys I ever came across . Don’t get me wrong the insurgents in Iraq weren’t no push over they adapted to our tactics and fought like hell in 06 . I’m saddened that this didn’t have a happy ending n my heart goes out to her family . Seeing the world from a military eye I’ll never the leave the states again . We’re not the most loved out there
Doesn’t surprise me that seals failed to tell the facts, seems like they have history of this.
RIP Linda. But if some arshole is shooting at you from a ditch you chuck a grenade at them
Pretty standard procedure that you don’t throw grenades while doing a hostage rescue same does not apply if it was a kill or capture
@@NotSoNiceMotherNature Dang dude SEAL team 6 should hire you instead
Pretty much how the SEALs are when missions go south.
-Brings frag grenade on hostage rescue.
-Kills hostage
-Tries to cover up story on the ride back
-gets caught lying
It was Norgrove's fault for getting captured tbh.
I've seen her in revisions green to lives
When bullet are flying towards you don't have time to assert whether single guy is shooting or they are holding someone you immediately retaliate that's human reflex.. it's just wrong time wrong place for Linda.. . RIP
They make great movies.
Something, something... integrity....
Shit happens in war no one should be blamed in hostage rescue the operation can either go spectacularly right or spectacularly wrong so please people no piss taking or abuse especially if you have no combat experience
I wouldn’t fault the Seal. Someone who wasn’t there being shot at in a very stressful situation doesn’t have the right to pass judgment. Besides that, what were the odds that she’d be there instead of locked up in a room somewhere in the compound?
Shit happens. I hope the Seal isn’t too hard on himself. He acted under fire and probably had no idea she’d be out in a gully.
The action itself may not be reprimandable, as he was acting in self defense and was unaware the hostage was there even has some others have pointed out that throwing grenades is not advised in hostage rescue operations it could be forgiven, however the covering up of the incident is another story completely and had the senior officers not conducted proper due diligence in investigating the after action report the truth may have never been known. So while I wouldn't fault him entirely for the grenade throw and the accidental killing I would entirely fault him, and the others, for the attempt to conceal the facts.
@@TheUrbanSpartacuz I concede you’re 100% right on the covering up issue.
Lot's of people in the comments blaming the woman. Like you do realize the entire goal of the US, UK, and others in the doomed/failed war in Afghanistan was to 'develop' and 'liberate' the country? That was literally the mission, and aid workers were a necessary part of that mission. To say the military belongs there but aid workers don't is incoherent unless you think the military should be involved in endless wars. If you want, blame the governments for fighting a pointless 20 year war of occupation with an impossible goal, that's fine. But don't blame the aid worker whose job is trying to achieve that impossible goal.
Holy fucking copium take
@@SwissMarksman holy room temp IQ
@@SwissMarksman That's literally the only logical take one can have, dingbat. I was a former commando in Afghanistan and now work in the NGO sector. What they said is correct. The military, on paper at least, is supposed to be there to create the space needed for a political solution to work. Aid workers are there for similar reasons, including clearing explosive ordnance so that land can be used, providing clean water for the communities, assisting IDPs, and helping to organize victim assistance. Do you think we just go in to wipe out an entire country militarily and then leave?
@@SwissMarksmanwhere’s the copium? It’s a reasonable and factual comment
The person who is solely to blame for Ms. Norgrove's death is her. It was foolish and reckless in the extreme for her to be in Afghanistan, wandering around. She is also responsible for everyone who died or was injured trying to rescue her.
The men who charged into harms way for a fool deserve nothing but respect and sympothy for having to risk their lives for this idiot and now they have to live knowing they failed, she died and at least 3 of them faced discipline... all for a fool...
The SEAL killed with his grenade. SMFG 😤
Extremely depressing result.
Fly up to the front door and expect to rescue a hostage. OK then.
The fact that they actually tried to cover it up by omission is a real kicker. I mean you could say that yeah, shit happens, they had no reason at all to consider that she'd be at the bottom of some random gully. But failing to report that you threw a grenade into the area where her body was discovered? And the whole team failing to report that one of it's members did throw a grenade into that gully? Yeah, that is symptomatic of a problematic culture brewing in the unit. You can't have soldiers deciding that command don't need to know what they're doing, even if it's by accident.
Disciplined for doing your job when odds were against you. Perhaps people in the world should be responsible for their own citizens. If you are gonna get off the porch u gotta face the consequences.
The classic American way!
This why you send the british
Vic ??!! Seal team is real!!!!
They killed Linda Norgrove...
Stuff happens. From a retired SPECOPS soldier I can tell you hostage rescue in places like A’Stan are not usually good on odds.
Rest in peace Linda, sometimes in the War on terrorism, things like that happens, I hate the fact that she lost her life while Seal Team Six aka DEVGRU have tried to rescue her against the terrorists. Seal Team Six are still the best of the best Shadow Warriors never out of the fight against the terrorists and the other enemies of freedom everywhere by any means necessary at all times and all costs
dont jizz yourself
@@user-th6ty2ln6x That's what the SAS were doing instead of rescuing Linda.
Bet they did not pronounce the word correctly {An ster} Anstruther from the kingdom of Fife, Scotland.
While very tragic, in the end, her kidnappers are responsible for her death 100%
Its unfortunate, but high risk operations can result in less than desirable outcomes - Glad that the Seals were only disciplined.
Here in Australia we tend to arrest and charge our Special Forces soldiers with murder, strip them of medals and allow civilian based groups to air our dirty laundry to the world
This might be the most deranged comment I've seen all year lmfao.
Who brings frags on a hostage rescue?
Mind boggling, it's just never done. I guess thats how the SEALS roll.
Me
@@goodshipkaraboudjan.. The biggest modern successful hostage rescue of the 21st century was conducted by Delta force and Kurdish CTG, saving over 70 hostages from ISIS in 2015, and they deployed multiple frags in that raid and had no issues, killing multiple ISIS fighters. Delta operator Thomas Payne even talks about using grenades while on top of a ISIS controlled building during the assault. No hostages killed.
Then you have the Maili hotel terrorist attack where multiple hostages were taken and both Delta and French SF killed the terrorists with grenades while they were pinned down.. no hostages were killed.
Maby? it’s possible you don’t know what you’re talking about ?
the seals lied they said she was killed by a suicide bomber
Tragic.....Sad....
This operation was covered in the book Relentless Strike by Sean Naylor.. The 1st false claim that was 1st told in the UK media was that the SEALs just threw a random grenade into a room. That never happened. The intelligence on her location was flawed and during the firefight, ISR had not seen that a enemy fighter dragged her out of a near by structure and into some rocky cover. The 2nd false claim was that all the SEALs had grenades on them, the only operators on target that had HE-ordnance was the outer cordon security teams that were tasked with containment of the target area. The fighter holding Norgrove fired on one of these teams and that’s where the operator had a weapons jam of his belt fed SAW. The 3nd false claim was that the SEALs just out right lied about the aftermath, when in fact multiple fighters had S-Vests on and being this was a night time operation, it made the SSE and and AAR much more prolonged and dragged out.. The SEAL that threw that grenade was removed from the command and it’s said in Naylors book, that he’s an emotional wreck to this day. Not for being kicked out, but for killing Norgrove. Anyone who wants to talk to shit and claim the SAS could of done better should probably ask why they were not even considered in the 1st place lol
@@dragonjarl.. What does Special Operations have to do with the Military? They’re tasked, funded, organized and trained completely different then anything in the broader military. The Rules of Engagement are not even the same.
Sounds like you know completely fuck all?
@@dragonjarl When the British were the world's foremost superpower, they lost to the US twice. Then they proceeded to lose modern warships to a 3rd world country in 1982 in the Falklands. The reputation of the British military among its allies is woefully poor.
@@cbbees1468 the UK had bigger battles to win when fighting the U.S like Napoleon and France. Hey at least the UK didn't lose that war to a 3rd world country unlike the U.S and their war with rice farmers in Vietnam.
@@Rogue66669 The UK lost their war with the Indians and Israel before Israel was even re-established as a country. 🤣
Didn't you watch the video you mong ? He literally says why no Brits weren't involved, but if they were it's a fact she wouldn't have died from a fucking grenade from one of her rescuers.
Get your head out of American books and you'll realise your forces aren't all that.
She was vunerable not having
A military escort from uk forces but 3 afghans
Putting herself in harms
Way!
I kinda feel like it’s the eye in the skies objective to relay any and all information on the battle field to the operators. Didn’t the predator drone see 2 people running to the gulley and couldn’t it see that one might be a woman? Or maybe have her hands tied or anything that could represent her being a hostage…Uncle Sam can take pictures of my dick from space as I piss off of my back porch but somehow he can’t see 5,000 feet down with a night Vision telescope mounted on a predator drone? Governments are just a laughable idea…
Damn. Linda was a badass!
SAS should have been deployed, no matter the logistics and cost. SAS is trained for hostage rescue
So is DEVGRU. It's not really a cost issue. It's the UK didn't have the assets in Afghanistan to transport and support an SAS rescue force deployed
hundreds of miles by air from the base of British military operations in the country. That means the only practical way to pull off such a mission
is the British taking operational control of US assets such as the 160th SOAR and AFSOC for transport and CAS, and the 75th Ranger Regiment
for a security element. No way would JSOC or US Central Command, allow UKSF to take operational control of American assets in a British led mission.
Get a US bird shot down on an op ran by the British, and it would be the Queen apologizing to the President instead of the reverse as happened in real life.
Next time use U.S. Army Special Forces (Green Berets or Delta). That is their forte'.
Politics getting in the way as there is no way the grenade was deliberately for her jeez.