The problem I have with this infotainment system is the industry wide push toward "connected services" and subscription requirements. This is absurd and it really makes me angry to have to pay a monthly fee for very basic features, especially considering how much this truck costs to purchase. I definitely will not pay for this when I get a Tundra in a year or so. The other perhaps even bigger problem with this system is that fact that your every move and user data can be tracked by Toyota and sold to their affiliates. Let's be honest, this is the primary reason that most manufacturers are going to these kinds of networks infotainment systems. It's all about building a user profile that they can use to generate a never ending revenue stream. It would be fine if they gave you a choice to completely opt out, but it is forced on you if you want to utilize the full functionality of the system and that will never be acceptable to me. I simply want a fully functional infotainment system that doesn't require me to have a profile with Toyota and can be fully utilized without the data mining.
Most connected services require a mobile/cellular data connection, so free for life is not going to happen from anyone. I do agree the keyfob function that is a direct rf connection should be left enabled and not tied to a subscription. I wish manufacturers would offer a lower cost connected service that would use the drivers phone data plan or use home wifi for software updates. This would only facilitate some services but likely the most useful, like navigation, service/diagnostic monitoring, location tracking etc. Missing or limited would be long distance remote start and lock control, and security functions (tracking, video, engine disable). Not too concerned myself about remote start, since starting and idling an engine for any length of time has always been a bad practice. Turning on heated seats is all I would like here for Michigan winters or opening windows during summer heat.
@Rick Really leaning toward Ford over Toyota. Feel like these new Tundras are being rushed to keep up. Complete redesign, should be called something else. Fully expect a laundry list of problems for them in the coming months/years.
@Rick Good your happy with your F150s, I look to CR for reliability averages. Currently looking to replace my 98 Toyota, but in no hurry. Driven almost daily for 23+ years, recently went took it on a 4000 miles road trip vacation. No repairs that I could not do myself. Tire replacements are the only shop performed maintenance.
Disclaimer: This is not a justification, it is an explanation of why companies in all industries will move towards subscriptions. Subscriptions are currently the best/fastest way for companies to increase their stock price or valuations. Subscription revenue is valued at many times their face value, 7x or more in some cases. For example (using very simplified math), signing a customer up for a $7/month subscription is worth more to a company's investors then a one-time purchase of $500 ($7 * 12 months *7x valuation multiple for subscription revenue = $588.) Automotive companies (and companies in every industry) across the board are adopting this model. They will move more and more functionality to tiered subscriptions. At some point it will be the norm for people to pay between $15 and $50+ a month for car subscriptions. You will also see more and more of Volvo style "whole car" subscription services for this same reason. Here is one more illustration of this - Ford sells 1 million F150's every year in the US. Let's say half of those owners signed up for a $15/month subscription. This would increases Ford's revenue (for the purposes of valuation) by $630 million. Yes, that's more than half a billion dollars, for just the F150. Whoever your favorite car brand is, they will do this. They will have no choice.
Hi everyone - thank you always for your comments and feedback. I just wanted to say that I created this video simply because so many of you asked for my opinion in regard to these 3 issues that have surfaced. My intention was not to judge anyone or to critique anyone but to simply provide my perspective on these issues and to talk about potential solutions or work-arounds in dealing with them. If the video appeared to be a bit harsh or seem a bit strong, my apologies - it was never intended to be a controversial video in any way. All media and youtubers play an important role to communicate information and insight so I appreciate what others have been doing in terms of the Tundra ownership experience - every youtuber is entitled to their own perspectives and opinions. I truly appreciate everyone's comments and also appreciate other youtubers and Tundra owners who are providing valuable insight into the ownership experience of the new Tundra. Thank you for your understanding.
While watching the Car Care Nut's channel, I became aware that "Toyota Remote Connect" uses a cellular network in order to work. If Toyota uses "Toyota Remote Connect" in order to activate the remote start feature, then we cannot get it for free. We will essentially be demanding that Toyota allow us to use a cellular carrier's network at no cost. And I am pretty sure that no carrier will allow anyone to use their network at no cost. If remote start uses the proximity feature of the fob and not "Toyota Remote Connect", then I agree fully that it should be free. What do you think?
@@Shackkobe I agree, Toyota should probably not use a cellular network feature. I can't imagine too many times that I would need to use a central cellular connect feature that is say, three states away, to unlock or start my car remotely. Proximity operation seems like a better idea to me.
Hi David, I’ve been an avid supporter of your channel and love and appreciate the wealth of knowledge you’re bringing to the market and your subscribers. However, I must disagree with you on a couple of things: 1. Door latch issue. You cannot detach Toyotas responsibility by blaming a supplier. Toyota gets all the credit or all the blame for a product with their name on it. While I am confident it won’t be an issue long and that Toyota will correct it quickly, it IS their fault. 2. Infotainment system. The system shouldn’t be such that it requires interaction from guests getting in to just drive. If it doesn’t detect a programmed profile, then it should default to guest with zero interaction required. Saying it’s user error may be true - but it shouldn’t be possible for someone who does this for a living to have user error. Your experiences as an engineer I believe are valuable but they also color your perspective a bit far in this instance. I shouldn’t HAVE to read the manual/follow instructions to program/get started. It ought to be [more] intuitive. 3. Key fob issue. As I understand it, the manual doesn’t contain instructions for using the key fob to remote start - making it a “hidden” or “secret” feature. It shouldn’t be necessary to do a Google search for such a commonly sought after functionality. To me it looks like Toyota (aptly) wants folks to think the only way to do it is through the (paid subscription) app after the free trial. That’s suspect in my mind and makes me distrust them. What other features are going to suddenly quit working after 737 days? At 5 years I have to start paying per use for CRAWL control? Perhaps after 7 years I can’t go over 75 MPH or can only accelerate 0-60 in 6.5s if I pay $10/mo? Not well thought out from my perspective. If that is the mindset I will seriously rethink my purchase decision. Forcing me to pay a subscription or lose a function of MY key fob is ridiculous and will be a DEAL KILLER for me. I have owned Toyotas for some time now and am looking at the TRD Pro for what will likely be a small mortgage of a car payment. The infotainment issue is easy - don’t default to forcing people to select a profile. Let the car know I’m there by my phone being in the car. The door lock issue - fix it and own responsibility for lack of QA. The key fob. Don’t disable functionality on it EVER or I will NOT buy your $80,000 truck and you may lose my business indefinitely.
Thank you for your comments - and your feedback is truly appreciated. Let me add some additional clarification: 1) Yes I agree that Toyota should be held accountable for ALL parts regardless of who makes it - I was simply saying that the root cause of the problem is likely a manufacturing defect at a supplier. I've designed and manufactured automotive components on both sides of the fence (supplier/OEM) so I do understand the complexity of the situation and wasn't trying to get the supplier to take all of the responsibility. 2) I will have to reserve my judgement on the infotainment until I get my own Tundra to test out - but the whole point is that anyone is able to drive the Tundra without having to log-in or sign-in for the user profile. The truck is definitely driveable and you are able to use almost all of the functions in the infotainment system even if you don't create a user profile. 3) I think the key fob situation is a legacy capability that Toyota likely does not want to highlight (to convince users to work with the app instead) but most of us who've owned Toyota's before have known about this for a long time, so I really don't think it's "hidden" or "secret". But anyways, turning off the remote start capability after the trial is definitely not customer-oriented. Many thanks for your comments - I really appreciate everyone chiming in for this video
@@giecy1977 Well said! Really wait 12-18 months for the "the must have it now crowd " to dry up and your dealer will be less of an a-hole. I agree completely with you. Good luck.
I like the idea of boycotting the subscription purchase. I took it a step further and am boycotting buying a Tundra. I had planned to buy a 2022 until I saw the release and online reviews. There are too many things I don’t like about this update. I will keep my 2018 for now and see what happens with future models. I’m really curious about how you will do the upgrades and modifications to your truck David. I think this design will be very tough to mount tow hooks or upgrade the bumpers.
100% with you, I waited 3yrs to buy the New TRD PRO...and everything about this truck is a let down. I even test drove it, and was highly unimpressed with the truck in person. The two dealerships I went to, didn't have anything positive to say about it either. They mentioned of the people that they have shown the truck too, were also let down
For the first time in my life , i am discouraged and disappointed with Toyota. Seems that are nit picking their base with petty things that should be standard for what they are charging. Also, to wait a few years for a new model Tundra, remove the option of the V-8 , ugly body style IMO it just seems disappointing. Honestly and sadly after years of being a hard core Toyota diehard, i am now looking at other manufacturers again because i do not believe that Toyota is providing a quality truck like they have forever. Can't believe how i feel about Toyota at this moment. Totally disappointed and considering my options for a different new truck.
I was going to wait for the 22's to come out, but something told me to scoop up a 21' last January, I'm so glad i did, These new Tundras are ugly and the markups on these are just ridiculous. Don't regret it for a second! I truly believe Toyota wants out of the full size truck market, and put this new Tundra to shut us up. They half assed this one.
@@xspower21 I also hear the shortened the leg room on both extended cabs and crews. People are saying there was more legroom in the older ones. Is this true?
@@kwmulligan so I " FELT" like there was noticeable less leg room...but it's marketed as being bigger, and supposedly the dimension inside are supposes to be better in the crewmax size . But in general the entire truck feels smaller.
The remote start issue, had me cross the Tundra off my list for purchase. I was looking forward to buying one. I’m now leaning towards a Ram or an F150.
Yup. Lock me out of my remote/hold me hostage for a monthly fee, I’ll lock you out of my monthly payment. No amount of loyalty will override such an action. Next thing you know, the vehicle won’t start if I don’t take it to Toyota after every 5,001 miles to pay for maintenance. Sorry, you’ll have to pay a fee to start your vehicle sir and then you have 25 hours to get to a Toyota dealer (only a dealer) to have an oil change performed. After that your vehicle is disabled for 7 days.
For people who wonder why the *engine shuts off* when the door is open following the remote start, here is a quick explanation. I used to develop control systems software for a major automaker. However, we certainly did not disable the engine following remote start. Anyway, there are 2 issues: (1) liability, (2) safety. (1) *liability* - there are edge cases where the person who has remotely started the car (presumably the owner) is actually not the person who jumps into the vehicle and drives off (potentially a thief). Yes, the immobilizer logic could possibly turn off the car immediately when it doesn't detect the proximity of the key, but it gets very tricky. E.g. the owner could be in proximity, yet somebody else could still jump in and potentially steal the vehicle. Sure it's rare, but if you sell 100s of thousands of vehicles, then it's bound to happen to somebody, somewhere.... (2) *safety* - immobilizer must never disable the engine when the vehicle is already in motion (when vehicle speed is non-zero). That is a safety-critical ... so the thief might simply run. If you want to test this logic, if you feel really adventurous, you could try this. Start normally, go for a drive, open the window while the vehicle is in motion, throw the key fob out the window (e.g to an assistant on a side of the road). As you continue driving, the car might scream, flash the instrument cluster lights, and beep like crazy, but it will not shut down the engine in this scenario. Anyway, there are ways of strategizing the software logic to solve both issues above without pissing off the customers, but Toyota chose the most conservative and the safest solution. Unfortunately, a very annoying solution to most users.
Liability? Sounds like a poor excuse. Fords, Rams etc all have this functionality. My Ram will lock itself when auto-started and if you try to drive off without the keyfob the truck will just shut down. Trust me if FCA ever felt liable for something they would do something about it!
@@PHILLIPS8822 - some do, some don’t. My 2017 Honda Ridgeline doesn’t shut off when I unlock or open the door. It’s safety control is that it can’t be put in gear and driven until someone applies pressure to the brake pedal and pushes the Start/Stop button while the key fob is within the required detection range. Other people have posted under other 2022 Tundra videos that they have vehicles that don’t shut off when you unlock them with key fob or open the door.
... you pressed lock 3 times to get it to remote start. how is someone going to jump in and just run away with it? It's locked. Liability? The tundra isn't a "hundreds of thousands a year" truck. never has been. its about 120k a year. Ram / Chevy / Ford sell that many 1/2 tons per quarter, ALL of them have remote start systems that don't do this and NONE of them have any "liability" issues where they are getting sued left and right because of this unbelievable theft of vehicles. There's no excuse. It's a dumb design.
Dave, I’m in the market for a new truck however as much as the Tundra interests me, I will not be buying one until the issue with a subscription payment to use the remote start beyond the initial period has been addressed. I’m not prepared to bet that Toyota will change their mind down the road as you suggest. As for accessing the remote start from the key fob, I hope that when you get your Tundra Platinum you will share where the instructions to access this feature are located in the user manual. I suspect that you will have difficulty finding it.
Thank you for your comments - appreciate your feedback. As for the remote start from the key fob, a quick google search yields many ways to find this feature (I don't have the new Tundra yet, so can't confirm whether it's in the manual but I suspect most people these days just google instead of reading manuals)
Hi guys from my understanding all you have to do is press the lock button three times but on the third time you must hold it until it starts going to the process of starting oh and I don't get my Tundra until February but this was something I found out from a You-Tuber online .
Thank you David for your suggestion about boycotting the Connected Services subscription in an effort to get Toyota to rethink their stance on making owners pay a monthly fee to use the key fob to remote start their vehicle. #boycott_TOYO_connected_services
You buy a $60k-70k truck why would you have to fiddle with the kinks (Toyota has at least 2-3 years prototyping) you would expect everything to work from day one.
My thought exactly. Im sure toyota will say its a manufacturing issue but they have been developing this truck for something like 6 years. Come on toyota and pull your head out of your ass! They have lost my business for the foreseeable future. I hope they get it straightened out.
I’m not certain these issues are throughout the lineup. I have not experienced these issues with linking my profile and apple car play or had issues with the door locks with my Tundra. Neighbor just had his 6 month old Silverado’s engine blow on him. His truck was $68k. Looks like it’s covered under warranty but still less of an issue than not pairing up your key to your profile when you set up the truck the first time you get in it. Or have a shim come loose on a door lock.
Seems like that’s the new norm right now. Car manufacturers may have some issues with a new product but now it’s becoming too common. Like ford with the bronco. Not sure if it’s covid related or what but I don’t feel comfortable dropping 60k on something that isn’t fleshed out yet. My friend had to turn in his Sierra twice with a number of issues and it doesn’t even have a thousand miles.
If we allow toyota to start charging for features as simple as remote start, it will encourage other automakers to follow and start charging for other features. Vehicles are so sophisticated with these computers, imagine paying for a subscription to use all the features in your radio or 4x4 usage, or who knows, it can get crazy.
I wouldn't pay for any subscription services for my vehicle. It's just one more thing that you have to figure into your already inflated monthly payment. Paying extra every month to use crap that's already on your vehicle is total BS.
My 2022 Tundra Platinum is having issues with the rear charging ports. The cables work fine in the front ports, but the rear is not charging. Going to try and switch the iPhone lightning cable.
Really like this outline of early problems. Your approach to solving the remote start problem via boycott is pretty cool although I wonder what Toyota will think if you were one of the early influencers of this idea. Looking forward to many of your mileage/time milestones and discussions!
You'd think! The Tundra is no doubt expensive, but it is certainly not a 90G vehicle! I know someone that bought a 100G Lincoln Navigator, that is the legit MSRP without mark-up and he has had one issue after another the entire first year of ownership. His vehicle has been in the shop weeks at a time! It's every brand and every price range.
Thanks David, one word buddy front tow hooks! I have owned 3 tundras. My 12 rock warrior crew max was my favorite. I have a 17 pro now. I use my tow hooks on the job, farm and to pull friends out. Did Mike the head engineer say that they would be offered as a accessory? I thought he did. He says he is a farmer and truck guy. How can you say that and not put tow hooks on a off road truck or a pro? What happens if you get stuck pulling a trailer? How will you get pulled out? Please pass on we are not pleased. I have a 1794 on order with the off road packages but I'm having 2nd thoughts. It's like they made them only for city people. Not for people who will use them as a truck. Thanks for all the videos!
Is Mike that so called engineer that was involved in backing up the removal of transmission coolers on the late models 19-21 Tundras?? WTF, do these idiots that make the decisions actually use these trucks for work, or going to the grocery store. Let's pull the Trans cooler off a proven platform because it's a proven design and leave it to the owners to figure out another work around. Thanks...
Why are there no tow hooks? We live in an area with snow and ice and tow hooks are essential not only to get us unstuck but also to help others who get stuck. This is a big error Toyota engineering and design!!! Also the lack of an on board power source like Ford's 7.2KW system is a flaw. Climate change and frequent outages makes this essential. I hae owned Toyotas in the past, but they are losing it.
I was able to sit in my local dealerships 1st 2022 tundra crew Max friday, it is MUCH smaller inside vs my 2021 Crew Max- can you. please do a full interior dimension comparision. you will see how much smaller the new interior size is in the new 2022 vs 2021. im 6'2 and had significantly bend a tourk to get in and out.
Hey David, one problem I’ve experienced so far with my 2022 tundra. First time around I thought it was a fluke because the light came on and I was worried so didn’t drive it. Then later on that day I check it again the warning light and message disappear. The message was “power steering malfunction steering power low visit your dealer”. Now it happens again today. I’m definitely calling the dealership Monday morning and taking my car in.
David. I have remote start on my 2021 RAV4 Limited, 2013 LX 570, and 2015 F150 Lariat and I DETEST how Toyota and Lexus has it set up on the RAV4 and the LX570, specifically I hate it when it turns off as soon as the doors are unlocked and I have to restart again when I get in the vehicle. I don't understand the reasoning behind this. Safety? Preventing vehicle theft? Ford did it right with the F150. They allow you to enter the vehicle with the engine on but you cannot drive the vehicle until you have the key inside and you push the brake pedal and push the start button. I do hate that I am paying subscription to remote start my RAV4 now the trail period is over. I am paying just to use the remote start feature. I don't really care to know if my doors are locked or unlocked or my fuel is 1/2 full and I have 236 mile range left. I have owned two (2) Tundras in the past but switched over to the F150 with their aluminum body and has been thinking of switching back to Tundra again but these little annoying bits about the Tundra are tipping points preventing me from switching. Anyways. Keep up with you good content. Cheers!
I do appreciate your explanations. I really do. However, the "Profile not loaded" alert has been reported by multiple users. Definitely not just one user. Also, I do worry. A lot. There is a strong possibility that it is not a "user error" but the fact that Toyota has failed to make the infotainment system simple and intuitive to use. If the infotainment system design is not transparent and intuitive to use, it becomes frustrating and distracting to use. Distractions on the road, at highway speeds, are dangerous. One other thing, users should not be expected to have MIT automotive engineering degrees to figure things out. ... Other manufacturers have figured out how to make these "user profile" alerts transparent and simple, instead of annoying, frustrating and distracting.
Thank you for your comments. I will wait until I get the actual truck in my hand and then I will test everything out - will let you and viewers know what I find.
So far I have not experienced these issues. Once I have started the truck, either a screen has popped up prior to detecting me or it goes to the PIN screen for me to log in. Once I do that it’s loaded and im golden. The whole process takes about 20 seconds. About enough time to get my seatbelt on and situated prior to departing. Maybe im lucky or maybe it’s just more frustrating to other owners.
Assume Toyota Software Engineers are a special breed hand selected from thousands of applicants to work at Toyota. That means you have really Big Brains working on coding and logic. What those Big Brains fail to realize is that less than 2% of all people in the world (maybe less?) have any idea what software is and how it’s logic works to control things like an infotainment system. I think the Toyota engineers need to Dumb It Down a little for the 98%+ who only want SIMPLE and not COMPLEX. The old Tundra was known as a simplistic truck. No need to swing the pendulum to the other end of the spectrum in this new design!!! Why? Just to prove you are a master of software logic and control. Please Toyota. Listen to your customers. BE your customers. Do some QFD quality function deployment and observe your customers trying to figure out what you designed and delivered to them. Right now you should have an ARMY of Toyota engineers coming out of their cubicles and showing up at dealerships to observe vehicle deliveries and to listen to what people ask or what confuses them. I have an offer Toyota. Put me in charge of that effort for you. I promise you great input into new Tundra 2.0 which will lead to design changes and production changes. Get out of the lab and listen and observe your products and how Mere Mortals interact with them. Please. Please. Please. Your entire reputation is riding on this Tundra. I hope you know that?
I have really been looking forward to this new tundra, and have been completely set on making the purchase until I heard about the subscription fee for remote start. I believe this is totally unethical, and has completely changed my view of this company. I cannot support a company that puts profit above support of their customer base. I also have concerns about their financial situation if they need to resort this low to improve profit. Truly sad situation for Toyota. I guarantee you their sales will suffer based on this information. It looks like Ford will continue to slay in the full size pickup realm, especially with the release of their fully electric model. Bye Toyota!
I bought a Ford transit last year for work. To use some features Ford expects you to buy their subscription service as well. Seems everyone is doing it already. I can do without. But if you pay these prices you should expect to get those features.
Great content Dave. The key fob issue was the issue that pushed me away from the new Tundra and I have ordered a new Ram TRX. I really hope Toyota listens to you and rethinks charging people for a feature that should be standard on a vehicle this expensive!
Aren't they charging for the Smartphone Key App? Don't get why some are so triggered. Like if it was a deal breaker not using your Smartphone as a key to use the car.
Yes, I believe that for the price paid of these current vehicles, one should not be forced to pay for accessing the features of this fine truck. That should already be reflected in the price of the vehicle. This seems to be analagous to Microsoft that now charges a subscription for Office applications when one used to just pay an initial fee for the applications with free updates.
@@mkyhou1160 never have had remote start... Heard it kills your battery in your car or truck. I dont need it i just do what he says just turn it on go back inside... but I'm lucky to have a garage... soo
David, I appreciate your perspective on the issues that have been noted, as I equally appreciate the impressions from an end user, whether correct or not. Second, I have never disagreed with you more than I do today... you believe in subscription fees for features? There is no feature big or small that should have a monthly fee imo. The fact that you have this opinion makes me question my entire impression of you, quite honestly. I can't believe anyone would advocate for that in any capacity. Charge a price for the vehicle that makes sense. Also, we already know revenue has increased due to reduced privacy from data capture... something has got to give. They are getting greedy!
Thank you always for your comments. No no, I'm definitely not advocating or supporting the subscription system at all - I don't like it either and I didn't renew my subscription for our RAV4 Prime and Tacoma. What I was saying is that if we are forced to consider subscription system (due to the fact that this is the industry trend), then I will only consider paying for something that is advanced or something that will cost more if I bought it as a stand alone option. So for example, if I have to pay $2500 to get NAV but I have a choice to pay say $10 per month to get the NAV instead, then it will be cheaper to pay monthly if I kept the vehicle for 10 years (just as an example). Or if I am able to get some special feature or capability through the subscription then I might consider paying as a last resort. But generally speaking, I don't like this trend either...
This is nothing new, every brand has their own service. Toyota connected services is $80 a year and includes things like remote start with HVAC access, SOS, accident detection, vehicle locate, lock/unlock through smartphone. I see nothing wrong with charging a fee for those things since it goes beyond the actual car. Some people have a use for these features, some don’t.
The issues with the infotainment system probably are user errors. However, they should make it intuitive and easy for ANYONE to use. There are many older people who would definitely have trouble with this system and others who just aren't tech savvy. Also, there are many people complaining about this, not just the one youtuber. You are an engineer and have a background in IT so likely it will be obvious and easy for you. It's foolish for Toyota or any other manufacturer to design a system that isn't easy and intuitive for nearly everyone. Apple, Google, Android, seem to have figured this out. Why can't Toyota, especially after taking 15 years to deliver a new truck?
Yes I agree that car companies are in general making infotainment system too complicated... once I have the truck in my hand I will let others play with it and see how they feel about the new system.
I hear that the seats are not comfortable for some owners. Very disappointing if that’s the case for the majority of owners. Does it need to break in? Idk, but would like to know.
Yea, I've seen videos of people claiming they have to sit on a piece of foam to make the seat tolerable while others claims it's the most comfortable and smoothest ride around. I'm leaning towards the theory of you just can't make some people happy! My only question is whether all models have the same seat foam etc. Every video I've seen with people complaining have been the SR5 model.
Diesels have used turbos forever and regularly go 100s of ks or millions of ks. You have to imagine they have already tested these things to the moon before releasing a new engine. Time will tell but I'm not worried about reliability. The v8s had issues of their own. We aren't taking about that though
@@Enchanted3DPrints If you don't know the difference between the physics of a gasoline turbocharged engine and a diesel turbocharged engine, you probably shouldn't be commenting. They are VASTLY different animals.
Toyota disappointed me up by dropping the V-8. I have no interest in a TwinTurbo V6 no matter who builds it. Only a normally aspirated V-8 will do it for me. Still available from Ford so that’s what I will buy.
I'm sure when the first cars came out people said, I'll never get rid of my horse either. Ford has been doing the TT V6 for 10 years now, and it's the most chosen engine, despite a V8 being available. The V8's are slugs and tow worse comparatively for the average weekender family. I thought the same thing until I went on a 800 mile Towing trip with the TT V6. It blew my mind how powerful it was. Spend some time behind the wheel before you make generalizations or a decision.
I couldn't care less about the V8 being terminated. It was absurdly inefficient and was less capable than the new engine by every measure. Reliability isn't the only factor that matters, although I expect the new turbo V6 to be just as reliable as the V8 because Toyota did an excellent job with the internal cooling features of the new engine. In any case, I don't understand people who are willfully stuck in the past, even when their concerns about 'new' technology are shown to be unfounded. I get that we all have preferences, but at a certain point it's just willful ignorance (or displacement envy). The data mining infotainment system and BS subscription requirement are far more important issues for me.
@@moaber Many software upgrades later the ford is still a problem. If anybody can do it right it’s Toyota. I’ve never been a fan of turbos so I’ll avoid them the very best I can.
I just put a deposit down for a new 2022 Toyota Platinum Tundra iForce Max. I know they're not going to be out until maybe the end of next year but I wanted to make sure and get on the list. I look forward to watching your channel and learning about your new Platinum Tundra.
I read on motortrend the new TRD PRO Tundra has augmented engine sounds coming through the speakers. Can you confirm this and will it be able to be disabled?
These issues are an example of a net new roll out during the first batch of the production process. For a youtuber buying these trucks make business sense as they generate content, etc. et al. However, for the regular consumer such as myself these problems will be a HUGE dissatisfier. Tundra’s manufacturing plant might be an experienced one; however, those components/parts are new, and they haven’t been perfected yet. Not to mentioned, they haven’t been around enough to set sound upper/lower control levels during QA. I am glad everyone else is buying these trucks so when it is my turn it they will be flawless. Cheers, David!
Hi David, I bought a Limited 4x2 2 weeks ago and Ive had 2 issues so far. 1st using the android connect feature I can't make a hands-free phone call. Everything looks like it's connected but if I select the phone and media separately it works fine. 2nd we took the new truck to Florida from Louisiana last week and twice when I went to open the tailgate to remove our luggage it wouldn't open. I tried the remote and tailgate to open and nothing. So, I open the app and noticed the status wasn't updated and wouldn't refresh the first time but the second time this happed the refresh worked, and the gate opened. Is the locking mech supposed to work with the app?
I bought a 2023 Tundra SR5 TRD off road package. Dealer and toyota rep told me that the payload on mine is 1819 pounds, however the sticker on the door jamb specify 1395 pounds. Can u please help me understand why the number on the sticker is so low. ?
I've heard you have to lock doors before remote start will work. What gives i live in the middle of nowhere if i want to remote start my truck without locking the doors should be my prerogative
@@Enchanted3DPrints my Jeep doesn’t shut off after remote starting and unlocking the door. I can unlock, open the door, and sit down. It won’t drive until I push the breaks and hit the push start button. I wish Toyota would’ve done this. Someone can’t take my Jeep without the key fob. It won’t let you take it out of park without hitting that push start with a key fob near by
Regarding the FOB, remote start was seemingly included starting in some 2019, and most 2020+ updated vehicles that include Toyota Connected Services. The app remote start will not work after the trial period, however, the key fob should still work since it doesn't directly link with the app. If I remember correctly, remote start cannot be used moments after the engine was just turned off and locked (2m30s). I'm unsure for the reasoning behind this time frame, but it was something we tested at the dealer when someone complained about their 2019 Camry XSE system not functioning everytime.
Thank you for your comments! Unfortunately, Toyota reported to us that once the trial ends, even the key fob will no longer be able to remote start the vehicle.
@@mattramsey9158 Good question, I was told by my dealer the key fob on my 2021 Tundra will continue to start the truck once the Remote Service trial period had ended. There are owners of 2020 models that can apparently start their trucks without the subscription.
Hi there David. Love your videos. I just picked up my 2022 Tundra 1794 TRD edition. It's a sweet truck. I don't have issues with door lock going crazy...so that's good. As far as infotainment systems goes there is one inconvenience. Each time I start my truck I have to key in pin number. Having my account set up and with my phone in my pocket, I feel like system should recognize it and save me the trouble of "loging in" each time I start the truck. It is frustrating. Otherwise everything works great! FYI...its my second day of testing my truck.
Hi David, There’s been a lot of criticism about Toyota getting rid of the auto 4 wheel drive switch on the Tundra, but the on demand 4 wheel was added. Can you please educate me on the difference between the two?
Hello David. Definitely appreciate the content put out on the 2022 Toyota Tundra. Just saw a video reflecting a Turbo issue. The proud owner revealed that he noticed his Engine light on and then he began to lose power. He only had the vehicle for 8 to 10 days with only 300 miles. Can you please share your thoughts on this Turbo issue and what Toyota will do to repair this malfunction? This issue was revealed within the last 24 hours. Thanks
I still think it’s a miss opportunity to have a similar inverter generator option like the F150. However I am looking forward to the new Sequoia with true off road over landing ability.
@@cerny4444 i'm assuming it's b/c they're using nickel batteries and not lithium. I think i've heard somewhere that using the battery as Ford is doing will definitely shorten the life of the battery. But I'm sure David knows.
I disagree with your opinion on the head unit guest features. Bluetooth and apple carplay+android auto should be easily accessible to guests you loan your truck to. I hear the Dynamic Navigation ends after 3 yrs and the map reverts back to year 1. If true that could cause some problems down the road for those guests. My main gripe with the head unit is they disabled pinch/zoom features for non toyota navigation. Making them less user friendly is a low blow. Its obviously to get us to use their nav services. Toyota had a video around the 22 Tundra release date where they were bragging about it. I cant find it any more. I think they deleted it. It was real cringeworthy.
I wonder how this issue will compare against the Honda dilutiongate, in terms of reputational impact on the carmakers that have had a reputation for reliability
love your insight..wondering about the stop start will I need to turn it off every time I start the engine or can I turn it off permanently?? I think it is not something I need. thank you
When rolling to a stop ease up on the brake pedal. After it stops let it drift forward an inch and then it won’t turn off the engine. You can also put it in manual transmission mode and select gear 10. You can turn it off with the switch, but there is an annoying indicator.
Thank you! Unfortunately, the engine start stop will automatically turn on again when you re-start your engine, even if you turned it off earlier. But these days, the start stop is so smooth that it's not so noticeable like it used to be.
David - Excellent video and excellent channel. With your 2022 Tundra that you are purchasing... are you getting the Factory OEM tonneau cover? If so, does it come with drain tubes or not required... I cannot find out any details on Toyota's tonneau cover. Is it the same one used for older generation? I ordered a 1794 with 5 ft 5 inch bed so assume it would be the same one that was offered for the 2021 but not sure if they updated the tonneau cover for the 2022. In addition, I am getting Windchill Pearl as well so anxious to see yours and what you think about it. Thanks so much! Wayne
Congratulations on your purchase! Yes I am buying the OEM tonneau because they are the best in terms of keep rain and water away from the inside of the bed. I am not sure if the 2022 version is the same as the 2021 - I don't think so but I will find out soon when the truck arrives. You don't need to worry about drain tubes because there are already drains built in and water simply runs on the side of the bed ...
In regards to the guest profile thing, the youtuber your referring to he has 2 different videos about it. 1 is tundra infotainment, the other is likes and dislikes at 1000miles its in the 1000 mile one. He said he literally couldnt use the info screen for navigation because the guest window takes up 2/3 the screen and wont go away and had to pull over to the side of the road because it wouldnt connect to his phone to say he had a profile.
Let me re-visit the entire scenario once I have the truck in my hand - and then I can assess the situation much more accurately. Thank you for your input and comments.
I don’t always take my phone when I leave the house, in fact rarely. Shouldn’t need a phone, just a fingerprint reader to activate all your settings. No fingerprint, defaults to guest and allows radio and hvac etc. This is just greedy data mining….
It's a shame that Toyota would go down this road of subscription service, is it not we all hold Toyota to a higher standard already..? The aftermarket already makes a remote start that uses your key fob to start thats all plug and play to by pass all this. I have it on my Tacoma.
Been a loyal Toyota customer for decades, with Toyota vehicles it's always simplicity and reliability. But these "force down your throat" and 3rd gen Tacoma trend, I'm starting to look to other manufacturers as an option.
I'll concede any and all new ideas for safety if those said safety features can be overridden by a simple override button paint it yellow with skull and crossbones and have one on the remote fob. Why can't a vehicle be controlled by the owner? Is it a question about who owns it? I guess i just thought I was living in freedom.
I have a 2004 Double Cab 2X4 and will be keeping it for the foreseeable future. I am just not ready for a big screen tv mounted on the dash and the need to push the screen 3 or 4 times to change a station like my wife's 2018 Highlander. My current ride is in great shape with only 144,000 km, I get in it the radio is still on the last station I was listening to and there is no "WARNING" to follow all road rules. God I am getting old !!
How long does Toyota provide replacement parts for a particular model? So, in the year 2038 will parts still be available for a 22 Tundra? I find I am running into some parts being no longer available for a 2005 4runner and I wondered if there is a defined number of years that parts are made available?
Typically, car companies continue to produce parts for about 5 years AFTER the model has stopped being produced - but it depends largely on the volume of the vehicle. For high volume SUV like the RAV4, they will need to produce parts longer, for low volume car like the Supra, they won't produce longer than 5 years
Sir I am an aerospace engineer. Or I was. I built spacesuits. I understand tolerancing. I also understand TPS (Toyota Production System). I have ALWAYS enjoyed Toyota INHERENT quality. I’ll say quality comes in three parts. Part 1 is DESIGN. Part 2 is PRODUCTION and Part 3 is QFD. I’d like to see you speak to people Quality Function Deployment and how it impacts design changes and production changes. Now. Regarding Software quality. I absolutely despise when I hear User Error like for the Infotainment system. There should be a Poka Yoke for how the systems are set up so there are NO chances of mistakes. I do not like drive by wire systems. I like to be in control and not so much software. I wonder if you can comment. Do you think vehicles are moving too far into the software control realm? I worry that people are too fixated on their dashes and all the system information stimulus and not on safely driving!! What do you think? Are we making drivers LESS safe as we build in more gizmos and too much stimulus? Last question. Do you feel comfortable discussing Ford engineering quality vs Toyota? It sure seems like Ford uses more QFD information - basically they listen to customers more and give customers what they want rather than what it SEEMS Toyota does, which is skunk works designing trying to analyze customer needs and designing for that vs actually listening to the actual customer demand. Do you feel like commenting? I truly like what I see Ford doing and I’ve been somewhat disappointed by this new Tundra in comparison. And by the way I have owned a BUNCH of high quality and reliable Toyotas through my 60+ years. Cordially signing off and thanking you for such exceptional videos sir.
I’ve been dying…. DYING to get out of my F150 eco bust and get into the new tundra but after taking the higher road and being an adult about a new toy I realize I’m glad I did. Like you, I have an IT background (but chose to stick with construction business, imagine that, I chose income) and have realized that waiting for the bugs to be worked out will work out better in the end (and it’ll be less expensive) if I wait for Toyota to figure it out. I hate my ecobust but Ive also have realized it’s cheaper to maintain what I have and keep more coin in my pocket.. dare I say maybe even pickup a 2021 tundra until the new model bugs have been worked out. Regardless, I have a feeling it’ll take a few years for Toyota to figure things out and i don’t want to be the Guinea pig stuck on the road waiting for engineers to save me. Sigh, Back to the ecobust I go….
Hey David thank you for this video. I am in Calgary and have my Platinum coming in at the end of January. I am so happy for you that your getting yours in Vancouver in Dec. Is there a specific reason why you folks on the west coast are getting your trucks before us on the Prairies? Keep the great content coming
Thank you! I put a deposit on the Tundra almost one year ago, so that's why I'm getting it first. Also, I think in terms of shipping, sometimes vehicles reach here earlier...
That's exactly why I bought the Tri Champion 🏆 of the year....Ram 1500 blew everyone out the water 💧...Ram has its own division so quality control is better than other brands...
What would be the warranty period of the composite box? I am really considering not buying a Tundra as I am worried that the composite box will not hold up to our renovation business use I know that these boxes are not puncher or crack proof.
David, Upon further reflection, leading a consumer boycott of Toyota subscription fees would look great on your RUclips resume but I am not so sure of how good it looks on your corporate resume ;-)
I believe that particular tundra issues may be user error as well(infotainment). The video talks about the person skipping out on doing a full delivery.
David, great video. I also have a Platinum coming in late January so having access to your considerable expertise to very helpful. Question about the Nav System. Is the nav system internet based? If so, are there any potential problems if you are in an area with poor or no internet signal??
Great question - generally speaking the built-in NAV has its own system that does not require internet connection (ie, can work with no internet). If you use apple car play and then use the google map, obviously it needs connection.
I saw a 2022 black platinum at a local dealership in B.C. yesterday. Sold to___ on the dash. Have to say it's a great looking truck IMO. Hope for all Toyota can sort out the growing pains.
Know I'm told I have to wait until March 22 for my truck I think with the problem I'm seeing with the subscription thing on the infotainment system I think I might start looking into a GMC truck I really like the 4xt off road truck it does cost more but it has a lot more features then the Tundra
I have a few personal opinions regarding the problems describe in this video. #1) It is not 100% Toyota problem "per se", for the door locking problem. That kind of logic is pointless and needs to be handled free of charge to the customer ASAP by Toyota, regardless of how, where or whom they get the parts, to build cars and trucks branded Toyota. #2) Subscription to utilize remote start. I agree and would personally not subscribe in order to have access to that feature. However, I disagree that it would make more sense to charge a subscription for "higher end feature like to check for how much fuel is in the car". When did, ''...check for how much fuel is in the car..." become a high-end subscription feature? Boycotting the subscription in the hope that Toyota will possibly rethink the program at some future date MAY be a delayed solution, but at the expense of reduced functionality that other auto makers provide for free. But if I were in the Market for this specific truck or a car for that matter, I would tell the dealership that any existing door problems would need to be fixed, and the auto start and other basic features like how much fuel is in the tank, would need to be subscription free for life. If the dealership and Toyota could not get together and make that those fundamental things happen, I simply would not buy the car. Not buying the car would provide an opportunity for Toyota to examine subscription service and add on sales program. Don't get me wrong, I have always been a huge fan of Toyota. However, last year I encountered similar "feature" add on fees, when my wife and I needed to replace our Camery and RAV4 with new models. Exasperated by the problem, we drove a mile down the street to the Honda dealership and purchased an Accord Touring and a CRV Touring. Like I mentioned, it's just my opinion as a consumer. Redding Ca.
It turns out the guest mode/user profile issue wasn't user error as you had claimed, but is an actual issue that Toyota is going to remedy by February of 2022.
Thank you for your comment. According to my sources and chatting with others who own the Tundra, the user error is still an issue (ie, users may be confused or not utilizing the system fully) but Toyota is also responsible for making the system a bit too complicated. The changes coming Feb 2022 is just an update and not a overhaul of the software, but hopefully it will still help people use the system more effectively.
As a fellow Canadian, I'm extremely unhappy that we can't get the air suspension or towing mirrors in canada. I need these for towing my travel trailer an will be a decision breaker.
I've owned 5 new Tundras. And will not be buying a new one now. No recovery hooks. I use mine several times a year. Their autostart has always sucked, so no change there. Front and back are not very good looking. Engine power output is okay, but sacrificing a V8, I wanted better mileage, or at least more power.
Grew up in Montana and almost always had to park outside. Most of my family is still ther. I know what it means to have a cold car. Remote start is nice but honestly not that big of a deal. Ive had it on my vehicles for a long time but almost never use it. Neither doesn anyone else i know. Just go out and start the car. Its saving you like 20 steps. Slipping on boots is no big deal. Most of the time you have to stay out there and clean ice and snow off the windows for 10 minutes anyway. That last point is probably the main reason i never use it. I have to be out there anyway to scrap ice or shovel snow. So I dont see why people are freakn out about it.
Unfairly, I think! It’s great that David has these tips in retrospect, but you shouldn’t have to be an engineer to figure out how to use your new truck. And it’s easy to Monday morning quarterback a solution for the door locks after Toyota had to send 5 engineers to figure out the problem because they were stumped.
Why are you blaming problems on the users? Toyota should know better. Are you paid by Toyota? These problems should be solved before releasing the vehicle. It is a fail!!!!!!
No no, I wasn't blaming the user. I was simply saying that some of the issues raised are the misunderstanding by the user... and I'm definitely not paid by Toyota
The problem I have with this infotainment system is the industry wide push toward "connected services" and subscription requirements. This is absurd and it really makes me angry to have to pay a monthly fee for very basic features, especially considering how much this truck costs to purchase. I definitely will not pay for this when I get a Tundra in a year or so. The other perhaps even bigger problem with this system is that fact that your every move and user data can be tracked by Toyota and sold to their affiliates. Let's be honest, this is the primary reason that most manufacturers are going to these kinds of networks infotainment systems. It's all about building a user profile that they can use to generate a never ending revenue stream. It would be fine if they gave you a choice to completely opt out, but it is forced on you if you want to utilize the full functionality of the system and that will never be acceptable to me. I simply want a fully functional infotainment system that doesn't require me to have a profile with Toyota and can be fully utilized without the data mining.
Toyota is no longer the product YOU and what YOU do become the product...Data!
Most connected services require a mobile/cellular data connection, so free for life is not going to happen from anyone.
I do agree the keyfob function that is a direct rf connection should be left enabled and not tied to a subscription.
I wish manufacturers would offer a lower cost connected service that would use the drivers phone data plan or use home wifi for software updates. This would only facilitate some services but likely the most useful, like navigation, service/diagnostic monitoring, location tracking etc. Missing or limited would be long distance remote start and lock control, and security functions (tracking, video, engine disable).
Not too concerned myself about remote start, since starting and idling an engine for any length of time has always been a bad practice. Turning on heated seats is all I would like here for Michigan winters or opening windows during summer heat.
@Rick Really leaning toward Ford over Toyota. Feel like these new Tundras are being rushed to keep up. Complete redesign, should be called something else. Fully expect a laundry list of problems for them in the coming months/years.
@Rick Good your happy with your F150s, I look to CR for reliability averages. Currently looking to replace my 98 Toyota, but in no hurry. Driven almost daily for 23+ years, recently went took it on a 4000 miles road trip vacation. No repairs that I could not do myself. Tire replacements are the only shop performed maintenance.
Disclaimer: This is not a justification, it is an explanation of why companies in all industries will move towards subscriptions. Subscriptions are currently the best/fastest way for companies to increase their stock price or valuations. Subscription revenue is valued at many times their face value, 7x or more in some cases. For example (using very simplified math), signing a customer up for a $7/month subscription is worth more to a company's investors then a one-time purchase of $500 ($7 * 12 months *7x valuation multiple for subscription revenue = $588.)
Automotive companies (and companies in every industry) across the board are adopting this model. They will move more and more functionality to tiered subscriptions. At some point it will be the norm for people to pay between $15 and $50+ a month for car subscriptions. You will also see more and more of Volvo style "whole car" subscription services for this same reason.
Here is one more illustration of this - Ford sells 1 million F150's every year in the US. Let's say half of those owners signed up for a $15/month subscription. This would increases Ford's revenue (for the purposes of valuation) by $630 million. Yes, that's more than half a billion dollars, for just the F150. Whoever your favorite car brand is, they will do this. They will have no choice.
Hi everyone - thank you always for your comments and feedback. I just wanted to say that I created this video simply because so many of you asked for my opinion in regard to these 3 issues that have surfaced. My intention was not to judge anyone or to critique anyone but to simply provide my perspective on these issues and to talk about potential solutions or work-arounds in dealing with them. If the video appeared to be a bit harsh or seem a bit strong, my apologies - it was never intended to be a controversial video in any way. All media and youtubers play an important role to communicate information and insight so I appreciate what others have been doing in terms of the Tundra ownership experience - every youtuber is entitled to their own perspectives and opinions. I truly appreciate everyone's comments and also appreciate other youtubers and Tundra owners who are providing valuable insight into the ownership experience of the new Tundra. Thank you for your understanding.
I felt it was a good video and not being harsh.
They should not be charging a subscription for the price of the truck. 🤦♂️
While watching the Car Care Nut's channel, I became aware that "Toyota Remote Connect" uses a cellular network in order to work.
If Toyota uses "Toyota Remote Connect" in order to activate the remote start feature, then we cannot get it for free. We will essentially be demanding that Toyota allow us to use a cellular carrier's network at no cost. And I am pretty sure that no carrier will allow anyone to use their network at no cost.
If remote start uses the proximity feature of the fob and not "Toyota Remote Connect", then I agree fully that it should be free.
What do you think?
@@WolfTau I agree, maybe too nice too Toyota.
@@Shackkobe I agree, Toyota should probably not use a cellular network feature. I can't imagine too many times that I would need to use a central cellular connect feature that is say, three states away, to unlock or start my car remotely. Proximity operation seems like a better idea to me.
Hi David, I’ve been an avid supporter of your channel and love and appreciate the wealth of knowledge you’re bringing to the market and your subscribers. However, I must disagree with you on a couple of things:
1. Door latch issue. You cannot detach Toyotas responsibility by blaming a supplier. Toyota gets all the credit or all the blame for a product with their name on it. While I am confident it won’t be an issue long and that Toyota will correct it quickly, it IS their fault.
2. Infotainment system. The system shouldn’t be such that it requires interaction from guests getting in to just drive. If it doesn’t detect a programmed profile, then it should default to guest with zero interaction required. Saying it’s user error may be true - but it shouldn’t be possible for someone who does this for a living to have user error. Your experiences as an engineer I believe are valuable but they also color your perspective a bit far in this instance. I shouldn’t HAVE to read the manual/follow instructions to program/get started. It ought to be [more] intuitive.
3. Key fob issue. As I understand it, the manual doesn’t contain instructions for using the key fob to remote start - making it a “hidden” or “secret” feature. It shouldn’t be necessary to do a Google search for such a commonly sought after functionality. To me it looks like Toyota (aptly) wants folks to think the only way to do it is through the (paid subscription) app after the free trial. That’s suspect in my mind and makes me distrust them. What other features are going to suddenly quit working after 737 days? At 5 years I have to start paying per use for CRAWL control? Perhaps after 7 years I can’t go over 75 MPH or can only accelerate 0-60 in 6.5s if I pay $10/mo? Not well thought out from my perspective. If that is the mindset I will seriously rethink my purchase decision. Forcing me to pay a subscription or lose a function of MY key fob is ridiculous and will be a DEAL KILLER for me.
I have owned Toyotas for some time now and am looking at the TRD Pro for what will likely be a small mortgage of a car payment. The infotainment issue is easy - don’t default to forcing people to select a profile. Let the car know I’m there by my phone being in the car. The door lock issue - fix it and own responsibility for lack of QA. The key fob. Don’t disable functionality on it EVER or I will NOT buy your $80,000 truck and you may lose my business indefinitely.
Thank you for your comments - and your feedback is truly appreciated. Let me add some additional clarification:
1) Yes I agree that Toyota should be held accountable for ALL parts regardless of who makes it - I was simply saying that the root cause of the problem is likely a manufacturing defect at a supplier. I've designed and manufactured automotive components on both sides of the fence (supplier/OEM) so I do understand the complexity of the situation and wasn't trying to get the supplier to take all of the responsibility.
2) I will have to reserve my judgement on the infotainment until I get my own Tundra to test out - but the whole point is that anyone is able to drive the Tundra without having to log-in or sign-in for the user profile. The truck is definitely driveable and you are able to use almost all of the functions in the infotainment system even if you don't create a user profile.
3) I think the key fob situation is a legacy capability that Toyota likely does not want to highlight (to convince users to work with the app instead) but most of us who've owned Toyota's before have known about this for a long time, so I really don't think it's "hidden" or "secret". But anyways, turning off the remote start capability after the trial is definitely not customer-oriented.
Many thanks for your comments - I really appreciate everyone chiming in for this video
I agree 100%!!!!! You took the words right out of my mouth!!! Shame on Toyota!!!!
@@giecy1977 All dealers are scammers one way or another through sales of new vehicles to the service department. I cannot trust dealers!!!!
True and the problem will be directly only to Toyota because the consumer doesn’t know who the supplier is and nor do they care.
@@giecy1977 Well said! Really wait 12-18 months for the "the must have it now crowd " to dry up and your dealer will be less of an a-hole. I agree completely with you. Good luck.
I like the idea of boycotting the subscription purchase. I took it a step further and am boycotting buying a Tundra. I had planned to buy a 2022 until I saw the release and online reviews. There are too many things I don’t like about this update. I will keep my 2018 for now and see what happens with future models. I’m really curious about how you will do the upgrades and modifications to your truck David. I think this design will be very tough to mount tow hooks or upgrade the bumpers.
100% with you, I waited 3yrs to buy the New TRD PRO...and everything about this truck is a let down. I even test drove it, and was highly unimpressed with the truck in person. The two dealerships I went to, didn't have anything positive to say about it either. They mentioned of the people that they have shown the truck too, were also let down
For the first time in my life , i am discouraged and disappointed with Toyota. Seems that are nit picking their base with petty things that should be standard for what they are charging. Also, to wait a few years for a new model Tundra, remove the option of the V-8 , ugly body style IMO it just seems disappointing. Honestly and sadly after years of being a hard core Toyota diehard, i am now looking at other manufacturers again because i do not believe that Toyota is providing a quality truck like they have forever. Can't believe how i feel about Toyota at this moment. Totally disappointed and considering my options for a different new truck.
I was going to wait for the 22's to come out, but something told me to scoop up a 21' last January, I'm so glad i did, These new Tundras are ugly and the markups on these are just ridiculous. Don't regret it for a second! I truly believe Toyota wants out of the full size truck market, and put this new Tundra to shut us up. They half assed this one.
@@xspower21 I also hear the shortened the leg room on both extended cabs and crews. People are saying there was more legroom in the older ones. Is this true?
@@kwmulligan so I " FELT" like there was noticeable less leg room...but it's marketed as being bigger, and supposedly the dimension inside are supposes to be better in the crewmax size . But in general the entire truck feels smaller.
The remote start issue, had me cross the Tundra off my list for purchase. I was looking forward to buying one. I’m now leaning towards a Ram or an F150.
Yup. Lock me out of my remote/hold me hostage for a monthly fee, I’ll lock you out of my monthly payment. No amount of loyalty will override such an action. Next thing you know, the vehicle won’t start if I don’t take it to Toyota after every 5,001 miles to pay for maintenance. Sorry, you’ll have to pay a fee to start your vehicle sir and then you have 25 hours to get to a Toyota dealer (only a dealer) to have an oil change performed. After that your vehicle is disabled for 7 days.
so is it a free feature on those trucks?
Go Ram! You won’t be sorry at all!
@@ferree1709 yes! My 2019 still allows Remote start that doesn’t shut up as I open the door
The amount of money you will lose on resale value would pay for a 3rd party remote start system many many times.
For people who wonder why the *engine shuts off* when the door is open following the remote start, here is a quick explanation. I used to develop control systems software for a major automaker. However, we certainly did not disable the engine following remote start. Anyway, there are 2 issues: (1) liability, (2) safety.
(1) *liability* - there are edge cases where the person who has remotely started the car (presumably the owner) is actually not the person who jumps into the vehicle and drives off (potentially a thief). Yes, the immobilizer logic could possibly turn off the car immediately when it doesn't detect the proximity of the key, but it gets very tricky. E.g. the owner could be in proximity, yet somebody else could still jump in and potentially steal the vehicle. Sure it's rare, but if you sell 100s of thousands of vehicles, then it's bound to happen to somebody, somewhere....
(2) *safety* - immobilizer must never disable the engine when the vehicle is already in motion (when vehicle speed is non-zero). That is a safety-critical ... so the thief might simply run. If you want to test this logic, if you feel really adventurous, you could try this. Start normally, go for a drive, open the window while the vehicle is in motion, throw the key fob out the window (e.g to an assistant on a side of the road). As you continue driving, the car might scream, flash the instrument cluster lights, and beep like crazy, but it will not shut down the engine in this scenario.
Anyway, there are ways of strategizing the software logic to solve both issues above without pissing off the customers, but Toyota chose the most conservative and the safest solution.
Unfortunately, a very annoying solution to most users.
I think all companies that sell remote starts have this feature. I have a Viper remote start installed on my 2016 Tacoma, and it does the same thing
Liability? Sounds like a poor excuse. Fords, Rams etc all have this functionality. My Ram will lock itself when auto-started and if you try to drive off without the keyfob the truck will just shut down. Trust me if FCA ever felt liable for something they would do something about it!
@Rick I hope you didn't think my comment was defending FCA. I was implying that they will do anything to avoid being held accountable.
@@PHILLIPS8822 - some do, some don’t. My 2017 Honda Ridgeline doesn’t shut off when I unlock or open the door. It’s safety control is that it can’t be put in gear and driven until someone applies pressure to the brake pedal and pushes the Start/Stop button while the key fob is within the required detection range. Other people have posted under other 2022 Tundra videos that they have vehicles that don’t shut off when you unlock them with key fob or open the door.
... you pressed lock 3 times to get it to remote start. how is someone going to jump in and just run away with it? It's locked.
Liability? The tundra isn't a "hundreds of thousands a year" truck. never has been. its about 120k a year. Ram / Chevy / Ford sell that many 1/2 tons per quarter, ALL of them have remote start systems that don't do this and NONE of them have any "liability" issues where they are getting sued left and right because of this unbelievable theft of vehicles.
There's no excuse. It's a dumb design.
Dave, I’m in the market for a new truck however as much as the Tundra interests me, I will not be buying one until the issue with a subscription payment to use the remote start beyond the initial period has been addressed. I’m not prepared to bet that Toyota will change their mind down the road as you suggest.
As for accessing the remote start from the key fob, I hope that when you get your Tundra Platinum you will share where the instructions to access this feature are located in the user manual. I suspect that you will have difficulty finding it.
Thank you for your comments - appreciate your feedback. As for the remote start from the key fob, a quick google search yields many ways to find this feature (I don't have the new Tundra yet, so can't confirm whether it's in the manual but I suspect most people these days just google instead of reading manuals)
Hi guys from my understanding all you have to do is press the lock button three times but on the third time you must hold it until it starts going to the process of starting oh and I don't get my Tundra until February but this was something I found out from a You-Tuber online .
Thank you David for your suggestion about boycotting the Connected Services subscription in an effort to get Toyota to rethink their stance on making owners pay a monthly fee to use the key fob to remote start their vehicle. #boycott_TOYO_connected_services
You buy a $60k-70k truck why would you have to fiddle with the kinks (Toyota has at least 2-3 years prototyping) you would expect everything to work from day one.
My thought exactly. Im sure toyota will say its a manufacturing issue but they have been developing this truck for something like 6 years. Come on toyota and pull your head out of your ass!
They have lost my business for the foreseeable future. I hope they get it straightened out.
I’m not certain these issues are throughout the lineup. I have not experienced these issues with linking my profile and apple car play or had issues with the door locks with my Tundra. Neighbor just had his 6 month old Silverado’s engine blow on him. His truck was $68k. Looks like it’s covered under warranty but still less of an issue than not pairing up your key to your profile when you set up the truck the first time you get in it. Or have a shim come loose on a door lock.
Seems like that’s the new norm right now. Car manufacturers may have some issues with a new product but now it’s becoming too common. Like ford with the bronco. Not sure if it’s covid related or what but I don’t feel comfortable dropping 60k on something that isn’t fleshed out yet. My friend had to turn in his Sierra twice with a number of issues and it doesn’t even have a thousand miles.
QC is a thing of the past. Buddies 22 Ram 1500 back in the shop 2 weeks after purchase with faulty rear wheel speed sensors.
Some of these seem so basic they make me wonder if they ever test a production model
If we allow toyota to start charging for features as simple as remote start, it will encourage other automakers to follow and start charging for other features. Vehicles are so sophisticated with these computers, imagine paying for a subscription to use all the features in your radio or 4x4 usage, or who knows, it can get crazy.
I wouldn't pay for any subscription services for my vehicle. It's just one more thing that you have to figure into your already inflated monthly payment. Paying extra every month to use crap that's already on your vehicle is total BS.
You may not mind paying a premium monthly charge, but I do.
You are right though, if you want it to change, people need to stop paying.
More worried about the turbo V6 then anything else, but that's more of a longer term problem.
My 2022 Tundra Platinum is having issues with the rear charging ports. The cables work fine in the front ports, but the rear is not charging. Going to try and switch the iPhone lightning cable.
Really like this outline of early problems. Your approach to solving the remote start problem via boycott is pretty cool although I wonder what Toyota will think if you were one of the early influencers of this idea. Looking forward to many of your mileage/time milestones and discussions!
@YL I agree , Akio might not be too happy when they meet up for their next round of golf.
There dealerships that are selling this truck marked up for $90,000 there should be no issues on a vehicle that cost that much
You'd think! The Tundra is no doubt expensive, but it is certainly not a 90G vehicle! I know someone that bought a 100G Lincoln Navigator, that is the legit MSRP without mark-up and he has had one issue after another the entire first year of ownership. His vehicle has been in the shop weeks at a time! It's every brand and every price range.
Thanks David, one word buddy front tow hooks! I have owned 3 tundras. My 12 rock warrior crew max was my favorite. I have a 17 pro now. I use my tow hooks on the job, farm and to pull friends out. Did Mike the head engineer say that they would be offered as a accessory? I thought he did. He says he is a farmer and truck guy. How can you say that and not put tow hooks on a off road truck or a pro? What happens if you get stuck pulling a trailer? How will you get pulled out? Please pass on we are not pleased. I have a 1794 on order with the off road packages but I'm having 2nd thoughts. It's like they made them only for city people. Not for people who will use them as a truck. Thanks for all the videos!
This new tundra IS for city folks. it is NOT meant for actual work. it is a play toy. 3/4 tons are for work still. the half ton market is for posers.
Is Mike that so called engineer that was involved in backing up the removal of transmission coolers on the late models 19-21 Tundras?? WTF, do these idiots that make the decisions actually use these trucks for work, or going to the grocery store. Let's pull the Trans cooler off a proven platform because it's a proven design and leave it to the owners to figure out another work around. Thanks...
You must not be in Canada, we can not get the 1794 with any packages, NO TRD, NO AIRBAGS, and NO Power running boards
Why are there no tow hooks? We live in an area with snow and ice and tow hooks are essential not only to get us unstuck but also to help others who get stuck. This is a big error Toyota engineering and design!!! Also the lack of an on board power source like Ford's 7.2KW system is a flaw. Climate change and frequent outages makes this essential. I hae owned Toyotas in the past, but they are losing it.
Hi David. Do you have any insight as to the lack of heat when heated steering wheel is activated?
What about no tow hooks on a full size 4x4 truck
I'm going to create another video to talk about that....
The lack of 4wd auto and not so great mpg plus all the other issues I think I will pass.
I was able to sit in my local dealerships 1st 2022 tundra crew Max friday, it is MUCH smaller inside vs my 2021 Crew Max-
can you. please do a full interior dimension comparision. you will see how much smaller the new interior size is in the new 2022 vs 2021. im 6'2 and had significantly bend a tourk to get in and out.
Hey David, one problem I’ve experienced so far with my 2022 tundra. First time around I thought it was a fluke because the light came on and I was worried so didn’t drive it. Then later on that day I check it again the warning light and message disappear. The message was “power steering malfunction steering power low visit your dealer”. Now it happens again today. I’m definitely calling the dealership Monday morning and taking my car in.
David. I have remote start on my 2021 RAV4 Limited, 2013 LX 570, and 2015 F150 Lariat and I DETEST how Toyota and Lexus has it set up on the RAV4 and the LX570, specifically I hate it when it turns off as soon as the doors are unlocked and I have to restart again when I get in the vehicle. I don't understand the reasoning behind this. Safety? Preventing vehicle theft? Ford did it right with the F150. They allow you to enter the vehicle with the engine on but you cannot drive the vehicle until you have the key inside and you push the brake pedal and push the start button. I do hate that I am paying subscription to remote start my RAV4 now the trail period is over. I am paying just to use the remote start feature. I don't really care to know if my doors are locked or unlocked or my fuel is 1/2 full and I have 236 mile range left. I have owned two (2) Tundras in the past but switched over to the F150 with their aluminum body and has been thinking of switching back to Tundra again but these little annoying bits about the Tundra are tipping points preventing me from switching. Anyways. Keep up with you good content. Cheers!
I do appreciate your explanations. I really do. However, the "Profile not loaded" alert has been reported by multiple users. Definitely not just one user. Also, I do worry. A lot. There is a strong possibility that it is not a "user error" but the fact that Toyota has failed to make the infotainment system simple and intuitive to use. If the infotainment system design is not transparent and intuitive to use, it becomes frustrating and distracting to use. Distractions on the road, at highway speeds, are dangerous. One other thing, users should not be expected to have MIT automotive engineering degrees to figure things out. ... Other manufacturers have figured out how to make these "user profile" alerts transparent and simple, instead of annoying, frustrating and distracting.
Thank you for your comments. I will wait until I get the actual truck in my hand and then I will test everything out - will let you and viewers know what I find.
So far I have not experienced these issues. Once I have started the truck, either a screen has popped up prior to detecting me or it goes to the PIN screen for me to log in. Once I do that it’s loaded and im golden. The whole process takes about 20 seconds. About enough time to get my seatbelt on and situated prior to departing. Maybe im lucky or maybe it’s just more frustrating to other owners.
Assume Toyota Software Engineers are a special breed hand selected from thousands of applicants to work at Toyota. That means you have really Big Brains working on coding and logic. What those Big Brains fail to realize is that less than 2% of all people in the world (maybe less?) have any idea what software is and how it’s logic works to control things like an infotainment system. I think the Toyota engineers need to Dumb It Down a little for the 98%+ who only want SIMPLE and not COMPLEX. The old Tundra was known as a simplistic truck. No need to swing the pendulum to the other end of the spectrum in this new design!!! Why? Just to prove you are a master of software logic and control. Please Toyota. Listen to your customers. BE your customers. Do some QFD quality function deployment and observe your customers trying to figure out what you designed and delivered to them. Right now you should have an ARMY of Toyota engineers coming out of their cubicles and showing up at dealerships to observe vehicle deliveries and to listen to what people ask or what confuses them. I have an offer Toyota. Put me in charge of that effort for you. I promise you great input into new Tundra 2.0 which will lead to design changes and production changes. Get out of the lab and listen and observe your products and how Mere Mortals interact with them. Please. Please. Please. Your entire reputation is riding on this Tundra. I hope you know that?
I too have seen at least 4 new owners report this same problem so I agree that I don't think it's an user error.
@@grayking2704 keep using the same fob. If you use your 2nd fob you probably will have profile issues
ZERO RECOVERY TOW HOOKS..HUGE MISTAKE FOR A OFF ROAD MODEL..
I have really been looking forward to this new tundra, and have been completely set on making the purchase until I heard about the subscription fee for remote start. I believe this is totally unethical, and has completely changed my view of this company. I cannot support a company that puts profit above support of their customer base. I also have concerns about their financial situation if they need to resort this low to improve profit. Truly sad situation for Toyota. I guarantee you their sales will suffer based on this information. It looks like Ford will continue to slay in the full size pickup realm, especially with the release of their fully electric model. Bye Toyota!
I bought a Ford transit last year for work. To use some features Ford expects you to buy their subscription service as well. Seems everyone is doing it already. I can do without. But if you pay these prices you should expect to get those features.
Hi I'm having a problem with the new Tundra. I don't have enough money to buy one lol. Great video thanks.
Great content Dave. The key fob issue was the issue that pushed me away from the new Tundra and I have ordered a new Ram TRX. I really hope Toyota listens to you and rethinks charging people for a feature that should be standard on a vehicle this expensive!
Aren't they charging for the Smartphone Key App? Don't get why some are so triggered. Like if it was a deal breaker not using your Smartphone as a key to use the car.
You went from a tundra to a TRX? Quite the jump. Ram trucks are known for not being reliable. I'd rather pay 8 bucks a month.
@@Enchanted3DPrints I currently own a 2019 Limited and it’s been a very good truck so personally have never had an issue.
@@RogerM88 no for the key fob as well. Which is ridiculous considering the price of these trucks.
@@Enchanted3DPrints that's not true.
Boycott the subscription? No. Boycott the truck.
Yes, I believe that for the price paid of these current vehicles, one should not be forced to pay for accessing the features of this fine truck. That should already be reflected in the price of the vehicle. This seems to be analagous to Microsoft that now charges a subscription for Office applications when one used to just pay an initial fee for the applications with free updates.
David, I have already been boycotting remote starts for 41 years.
I wear a coat, so I don’t want a warm car. I’m already blazing hot after putting a coat on in a warm house.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q I use top spec synthetic engine oil and manual trans lube so I don't need to warm up the engine either.
@@mkyhou1160 Luckily, my part of Canada rarely drops below -30 and the car is parked overnight in an unheated garage.
@@mkyhou1160 what did you do before remote start?
@@mkyhou1160 never have had remote start... Heard it kills your battery in your car or truck. I dont need it i just do what he says just turn it on go back inside... but I'm lucky to have a garage... soo
David, I appreciate your perspective on the issues that have been noted, as I equally appreciate the impressions from an end user, whether correct or not.
Second, I have never disagreed with you more than I do today... you believe in subscription fees for features? There is no feature big or small that should have a monthly fee imo. The fact that you have this opinion makes me question my entire impression of you, quite honestly. I can't believe anyone would advocate for that in any capacity. Charge a price for the vehicle that makes sense. Also, we already know revenue has increased due to reduced privacy from data capture... something has got to give. They are getting greedy!
Thank you always for your comments. No no, I'm definitely not advocating or supporting the subscription system at all - I don't like it either and I didn't renew my subscription for our RAV4 Prime and Tacoma. What I was saying is that if we are forced to consider subscription system (due to the fact that this is the industry trend), then I will only consider paying for something that is advanced or something that will cost more if I bought it as a stand alone option. So for example, if I have to pay $2500 to get NAV but I have a choice to pay say $10 per month to get the NAV instead, then it will be cheaper to pay monthly if I kept the vehicle for 10 years (just as an example). Or if I am able to get some special feature or capability through the subscription then I might consider paying as a last resort. But generally speaking, I don't like this trend either...
This is nothing new, every brand has their own service. Toyota connected services is $80 a year and includes things like remote start with HVAC access, SOS, accident detection, vehicle locate, lock/unlock through smartphone.
I see nothing wrong with charging a fee for those things since it goes beyond the actual car. Some people have a use for these features, some don’t.
@@mkyhou1160
Just like David said, if people stop paying then manufacturers will stop charging. I just don’t see it going away.
The issues with the infotainment system probably are user errors. However, they should make it intuitive and easy for ANYONE to use. There are many older people who would definitely have trouble with this system and others who just aren't tech savvy. Also, there are many people complaining about this, not just the one youtuber. You are an engineer and have a background in IT so likely it will be obvious and easy for you. It's foolish for Toyota or any other manufacturer to design a system that isn't easy and intuitive for nearly everyone. Apple, Google, Android, seem to have figured this out. Why can't Toyota, especially after taking 15 years to deliver a new truck?
Yes I agree that car companies are in general making infotainment system too complicated... once I have the truck in my hand I will let others play with it and see how they feel about the new system.
I hear that the seats are not comfortable for some owners. Very disappointing if that’s the case for the majority of owners. Does it need to break in? Idk, but would like to know.
Some people will feel one way. Some another. With everything. Don't let others deter you from developing your own opinion.
Yea, I've seen videos of people claiming they have to sit on a piece of foam to make the seat tolerable while others claims it's the most comfortable and smoothest ride around. I'm leaning towards the theory of you just can't make some people happy! My only question is whether all models have the same seat foam etc. Every video I've seen with people complaining have been the SR5 model.
Most important part is how long will the new engine/turbo setup will last compared to the v8
@@naveenthemachine Do you think being twin turboed would compound that problem?
Diesels have used turbos forever and regularly go 100s of ks or millions of ks. You have to imagine they have already tested these things to the moon before releasing a new engine. Time will tell but I'm not worried about reliability. The v8s had issues of their own. We aren't taking about that though
@@Enchanted3DPrints If you don't know the difference between the physics of a gasoline turbocharged engine and a diesel turbocharged engine, you probably shouldn't be commenting. They are VASTLY different animals.
Toyota disappointed me up by dropping the V-8. I have no interest in a TwinTurbo V6 no matter who builds it. Only a normally aspirated V-8 will do it for me. Still available from Ford so that’s what I will buy.
It's available from ford, ram, gm, & nissan.
I'm sure when the first cars came out people said, I'll never get rid of my horse either. Ford has been doing the TT V6 for 10 years now, and it's the most chosen engine, despite a V8 being available. The V8's are slugs and tow worse comparatively for the average weekender family. I thought the same thing until I went on a 800 mile Towing trip with the TT V6. It blew my mind how powerful it was. Spend some time behind the wheel before you make generalizations or a decision.
I couldn't care less about the V8 being terminated. It was absurdly inefficient and was less capable than the new engine by every measure. Reliability isn't the only factor that matters, although I expect the new turbo V6 to be just as reliable as the V8 because Toyota did an excellent job with the internal cooling features of the new engine. In any case, I don't understand people who are willfully stuck in the past, even when their concerns about 'new' technology are shown to be unfounded. I get that we all have preferences, but at a certain point it's just willful ignorance (or displacement envy). The data mining infotainment system and BS subscription requirement are far more important issues for me.
@@moaber Many software upgrades later the ford is still a problem. If anybody can do it right it’s Toyota. I’ve never been a fan of turbos so I’ll avoid them the very best I can.
@@jeremycook9852 Nissan, GM and Ram are definitely out, so Ford is the only viable option.
Good on everyone sticking to their guns and not giving in to this crap! Our desires are much stronger in numbers, Truck People unite! ✊🏼
I just put a deposit down for a new 2022 Toyota Platinum Tundra iForce Max. I know they're not going to be out until maybe the end of next year but I wanted to make sure and get on the list. I look forward to watching your channel and learning about your new Platinum Tundra.
I read on motortrend the new TRD PRO Tundra has augmented engine sounds coming through the speakers. Can you confirm this and will it be able to be disabled?
Yes I believe that is true. The only way to disable this is to go into the fuse box and take out the fuse that is linked to the sound creation.
These issues are an example of a net new roll out during the first batch of the production process. For a youtuber buying these trucks make business sense as they generate content, etc. et al. However, for the regular consumer such as myself these problems will be a HUGE dissatisfier. Tundra’s manufacturing plant might be an experienced one; however, those components/parts are new, and they haven’t been perfected yet. Not to mentioned, they haven’t been around enough to set sound upper/lower control levels during QA. I am glad everyone else is buying these trucks so when it is my turn it they will be flawless. Cheers, David!
Hi David, I bought a Limited 4x2 2 weeks ago and Ive had 2 issues so far. 1st using the android connect feature I can't make a hands-free phone call. Everything looks like it's connected but if I select the phone and media separately it works fine. 2nd we took the new truck to Florida from Louisiana last week and twice when I went to open the tailgate to remove our luggage it wouldn't open. I tried the remote and tailgate to open and nothing. So, I open the app and noticed the status wasn't updated and wouldn't refresh the first time but the second time this happed the refresh worked, and the gate opened. Is the locking mech supposed to work with the app?
Should I wait to buy a 2023 or 2024? Will Toyota add tow hooks and make changes
I bought a 2023 Tundra SR5 TRD off road package. Dealer and toyota rep told me that the payload on mine is 1819 pounds, however the sticker on the door jamb specify 1395 pounds. Can u please help me understand why the number on the sticker is so low. ?
Incorrectly trimmed "gate" on the plastic lock tab? Looking forwards to your critique on your new Tundra David.
Why does the remote start the engine then cut off the engine when you open the door.
I've heard you have to lock doors before remote start will work. What gives i live in the middle of nowhere if i want to remote start my truck without locking the doors should be my prerogative
So the neighbor kid doesn't drive off in your truck.
@@Enchanted3DPrints my Jeep doesn’t shut off after remote starting and unlocking the door. I can unlock, open the door, and sit down. It won’t drive until I push the breaks and hit the push start button. I wish Toyota would’ve done this. Someone can’t take my Jeep without the key fob. It won’t let you take it out of park without hitting that push start with a key fob near by
I think it's a legal/safety situation as a number of other companies do this (but not all).
@@Brandles5 Hey Let's go! on the Jeep with top removed one doesn't have to touch the door to get in it.
Regarding the FOB, remote start was seemingly included starting in some 2019, and most 2020+ updated vehicles that include Toyota Connected Services. The app remote start will not work after the trial period, however, the key fob should still work since it doesn't directly link with the app. If I remember correctly, remote start cannot be used moments after the engine was just turned off and locked (2m30s). I'm unsure for the reasoning behind this time frame, but it was something we tested at the dealer when someone complained about their 2019 Camry XSE system not functioning everytime.
Thank you for your comments! Unfortunately, Toyota reported to us that once the trial ends, even the key fob will no longer be able to remote start the vehicle.
Is that just starting in 2022 or will my key fob not work on my 2021 tundra eventually as well?
@@mattramsey9158 Good question, I was told by my dealer the key fob on my 2021 Tundra will continue to start the truck once the Remote Service trial period had ended. There are owners of 2020 models that can apparently start their trucks without the subscription.
Hi there David. Love your videos. I just picked up my 2022 Tundra 1794 TRD edition. It's a sweet truck. I don't have issues with door lock going crazy...so that's good. As far as infotainment systems goes there is one inconvenience. Each time I start my truck I have to key in pin number. Having my account set up and with my phone in my pocket, I feel like system should recognize it and save me the trouble of "loging in" each time I start the truck. It is frustrating. Otherwise everything works great! FYI...its my second day of testing my truck.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, Merry Christmas!
The issue with the door lock is the Bezel. Dealership replaced mine and it never happened again. Howdy from San Antonio
My wife's 2020 Honda Civic Sport has the same door lock functions never had any problems.👍Understanding new technology is important❗
Can you explain why these trucks seem to have low oil pressure? every single one i see doesnt seem to go above 1/4 on the scale
I dont want an infotainment system on my car knowing anything!
Period, it's a trend I hate, and I'm not alone.
Hi David,
There’s been a lot of criticism about Toyota getting rid of the auto 4 wheel drive switch on the Tundra, but the on demand 4 wheel was added. Can you please educate me on the difference between the two?
Hello David. Definitely appreciate the content put out on the 2022 Toyota Tundra.
Just saw a video reflecting a Turbo issue. The proud owner revealed that he noticed his Engine light on and then he began to lose power. He only had the vehicle for 8 to 10 days with only 300 miles.
Can you please share your thoughts on this Turbo issue and what Toyota will do to repair this malfunction?
This issue was revealed within the last 24 hours. Thanks
I still think it’s a miss opportunity to have a similar inverter generator option like the F150. However I am looking forward to the new Sequoia with true off road over landing ability.
@@cerny4444 i'm assuming it's b/c they're using nickel batteries and not lithium. I think i've heard somewhere that using the battery as Ford is doing will definitely shorten the life of the battery. But I'm sure David knows.
I disagree with your opinion on the head unit guest features. Bluetooth and apple carplay+android auto should be easily accessible to guests you loan your truck to. I hear the Dynamic Navigation ends after 3 yrs and the map reverts back to year 1. If true that could cause some problems down the road for those guests.
My main gripe with the head unit is they disabled pinch/zoom features for non toyota navigation. Making them less user friendly is a low blow. Its obviously to get us to use their nav services. Toyota had a video around the 22 Tundra release date where they were bragging about it. I cant find it any more. I think they deleted it. It was real cringeworthy.
Do you think these issues will be ironed out for the new Sequoia?
I wonder how this issue will compare against the Honda dilutiongate, in terms of reputational impact on the carmakers that have had a reputation for reliability
love your insight..wondering about the stop start will I need to turn it off every time I start the engine or can I turn it off permanently?? I think it is not something I need. thank you
When rolling to a stop ease up on the brake pedal. After it stops let it drift forward an inch and then it won’t turn off the engine. You can also put it in manual transmission mode and select gear 10. You can turn it off with the switch, but there is an annoying indicator.
Thank you! Unfortunately, the engine start stop will automatically turn on again when you re-start your engine, even if you turned it off earlier. But these days, the start stop is so smooth that it's not so noticeable like it used to be.
David - Excellent video and excellent channel. With your 2022 Tundra that you are purchasing... are you getting the Factory OEM tonneau cover? If so, does it come with drain tubes or not required... I cannot find out any details on Toyota's tonneau cover. Is it the same one used for older generation? I ordered a 1794 with 5 ft 5 inch bed so assume it would be the same one that was offered for the 2021 but not sure if they updated the tonneau cover for the 2022. In addition, I am getting Windchill Pearl as well so anxious to see yours and what you think about it. Thanks so much! Wayne
Congratulations on your purchase! Yes I am buying the OEM tonneau because they are the best in terms of keep rain and water away from the inside of the bed. I am not sure if the 2022 version is the same as the 2021 - I don't think so but I will find out soon when the truck arrives. You don't need to worry about drain tubes because there are already drains built in and water simply runs on the side of the bed ...
In regards to the guest profile thing, the youtuber your referring to he has 2 different videos about it. 1 is tundra infotainment, the other is likes and dislikes at 1000miles its in the 1000 mile one. He said he literally couldnt use the info screen for navigation because the guest window takes up 2/3 the screen and wont go away and had to pull over to the side of the road because it wouldnt connect to his phone to say he had a profile.
Let me re-visit the entire scenario once I have the truck in my hand - and then I can assess the situation much more accurately. Thank you for your input and comments.
Will the navigation work from your phone if you plug in the USB without subscription like my 2020 Tundra?
So much good info. Thank you!!! I don’t even own a Tundra!!
I would love to know what the big 3 are charging for the remote contact from the app not the fob. Great video David
I don’t always take my phone when I leave the house, in fact rarely. Shouldn’t need a phone, just a fingerprint reader to activate all your settings. No fingerprint, defaults to guest and allows radio and hvac etc. This is just greedy data mining….
I have an order a 2022 RAV4 prime plug-in XSE and I’m interested in what’s going to happen with that vehicle because it’s very new
Love the channel. I will be getting a Tundra in 2023 or maybe that 4runner depends 🤔 on if the hybrid Tundra is solid or too buggy.
If it was a supplier issue as you suggest, TPS and 5S should've caught it. "100% controlled inputs = 100% controlled outputs".
It's a shame that Toyota would go down this road of subscription service, is it not we all hold Toyota to a higher standard already..? The aftermarket already makes a remote start that uses your key fob to start thats all plug and play to by pass all this. I have it on my Tacoma.
Been a loyal Toyota customer for decades, with Toyota vehicles it's always simplicity and reliability. But these "force down your throat" and 3rd gen Tacoma trend, I'm starting to look to other manufacturers as an option.
My Pro won’t be here until March/April so I hope the bugs will be worked out.
I'll concede any and all new ideas for safety if those said safety features can be overridden by a simple override button paint it yellow with skull and crossbones and have one on the remote fob. Why can't a vehicle be controlled by the owner? Is it a question about who owns it? I guess i just thought I was living in freedom.
I have a 2004 Double Cab 2X4 and will be keeping it for the foreseeable future. I am just not ready for a big screen tv mounted on the dash and the need to push the screen 3 or 4 times to change a station like my wife's 2018 Highlander. My current ride is in great shape with only 144,000 km, I get in it the radio is still on the last station I was listening to and there is no "WARNING" to follow all road rules. God I am getting old !!
What about the waste gate failure issue? Please make me feel better about this new issue popping up!!
Thanks David , great information provided, on the tundra .
I don’t understand Toyota’s thinking on these subscriptions services. Is it greed, some kind of monitoring system .
How long does Toyota provide replacement parts for a particular model? So, in the year 2038 will parts still be available for a 22 Tundra? I find I am running into some parts being no longer available for a 2005 4runner and I wondered if there is a defined number of years that parts are made available?
Typically, car companies continue to produce parts for about 5 years AFTER the model has stopped being produced - but it depends largely on the volume of the vehicle. For high volume SUV like the RAV4, they will need to produce parts longer, for low volume car like the Supra, they won't produce longer than 5 years
@@AutomotivePress thank you so I would also imagine the 5th gen 4Runner will have parts for a long time as well being that it lasted 11 years
Sir I am an aerospace engineer. Or I was. I built spacesuits. I understand tolerancing. I also understand TPS (Toyota Production System). I have ALWAYS enjoyed Toyota INHERENT quality. I’ll say quality comes in three parts. Part 1 is DESIGN. Part 2 is PRODUCTION and Part 3 is QFD. I’d like to see you speak to people Quality Function Deployment and how it impacts design changes and production changes. Now. Regarding Software quality. I absolutely despise when I hear User Error like for the Infotainment system. There should be a Poka Yoke for how the systems are set up so there are NO chances of mistakes. I do not like drive by wire systems. I like to be in control and not so much software. I wonder if you can comment. Do you think vehicles are moving too far into the software control realm? I worry that people are too fixated on their dashes and all the system information stimulus and not on safely driving!! What do you think? Are we making drivers LESS safe as we build in more gizmos and too much stimulus? Last question. Do you feel comfortable discussing Ford engineering quality vs Toyota? It sure seems like Ford uses more QFD information - basically they listen to customers more and give customers what they want rather than what it SEEMS Toyota does, which is skunk works designing trying to analyze customer needs and designing for that vs actually listening to the actual customer demand. Do you feel like commenting? I truly like what I see Ford doing and I’ve been somewhat disappointed by this new Tundra in comparison. And by the way I have owned a BUNCH of high quality and reliable Toyotas through my 60+ years. Cordially signing off and thanking you for such exceptional videos sir.
I’ve been dying…. DYING to get out of my F150 eco bust and get into the new tundra but after taking the higher road and being an adult about a new toy I realize I’m glad I did. Like you, I have an IT background (but chose to stick with construction business, imagine that, I chose income) and have realized that waiting for the bugs to be worked out will work out better in the end (and it’ll be less expensive) if I wait for Toyota to figure it out. I hate my ecobust but Ive also have realized it’s cheaper to maintain what I have and keep more coin in my pocket.. dare I say maybe even pickup a 2021 tundra until the new model bugs have been worked out. Regardless, I have a feeling it’ll take a few years for Toyota to figure things out and i don’t want to be the Guinea pig stuck on the road waiting for engineers to save me. Sigh,
Back to the ecobust I go….
What kind of problems are you having with your eco boost. Is it 2.7 or the 3.5? Thanks Nick
@@nickcooper83222013 3.5
It’s kind of odd. I have a 2016 Tundra that’s had door lock issues as well and as I looked into it the problem is quite common.
It's a $7 motor that fails in the lock actuator. I replaced all 4 in a 2011 tundra and it took a couple hours but it wasn't too hard.
Hey David thank you for this video. I am in Calgary and have my Platinum coming in at the end of January. I am so happy for you that your getting yours in Vancouver in Dec. Is there a specific reason why you folks on the west coast are getting your trucks before us on the Prairies? Keep the great content coming
Thank you! I put a deposit on the Tundra almost one year ago, so that's why I'm getting it first. Also, I think in terms of shipping, sometimes vehicles reach here earlier...
Thanks
Makes sense
That's exactly why I bought the Tri Champion 🏆 of the year....Ram 1500 blew everyone out the water 💧...Ram has its own division so quality control is better than other brands...
Subscription remote start is a disgusting concept. That kind of greed is repulsive, honestly.
I agree 100%!!!
Not only that, but it's a very slippery slope. What's next, a subscription to activate 4wd or heated seats?
My 2022 tundra SR5 shift hard sometimes going into revers and forward. Does not shift hard at hwy speeds. Is this normal for these trucks. 56k miles
What would be the warranty period of the composite box? I am really considering not buying a Tundra as I am worried that the composite box will not hold up to our renovation business use I know that these boxes are not puncher or crack proof.
David, Upon further reflection, leading a consumer boycott of Toyota subscription fees would look great on your RUclips resume but I am not so sure of how good it looks on your
corporate resume ;-)
I believe that particular tundra issues may be user error as well(infotainment). The video talks about the person skipping out on doing a full delivery.
Hello this is Dave from Automotive press 😁😁😁🙏🙏🙏 there is no such thing as you Dave congratulations
David, great video. I also have a Platinum coming in late January so having access to your considerable expertise to very helpful.
Question about the Nav System. Is the nav system internet based? If so, are there any potential problems if you are in an area with poor or no internet signal??
Great question - generally speaking the built-in NAV has its own system that does not require internet connection (ie, can work with no internet). If you use apple car play and then use the google map, obviously it needs connection.
I saw a 2022 black platinum at a local dealership in B.C. yesterday. Sold to___ on the dash. Have to say it's a great looking truck IMO. Hope for all Toyota can sort out the growing pains.
Any word for n when the Factory Lift/leveling kit will be available?
Know I'm told I have to wait until March 22 for my truck I think with the problem I'm seeing with the subscription thing on the infotainment system I think I might start looking into a GMC truck I really like the 4xt off road truck it does cost more but it has a lot more features then the Tundra
I have a few personal opinions regarding the problems describe in this video.
#1) It is not 100% Toyota problem "per se", for the door locking problem. That kind of logic is pointless and needs to be handled free of charge to the customer ASAP by Toyota, regardless of how, where or whom they get the parts, to build cars and trucks branded Toyota.
#2) Subscription to utilize remote start. I agree and would personally not subscribe in order to have access to that feature. However, I disagree that it would make more sense to charge a subscription for "higher end feature like to check for how much fuel is in the car". When did, ''...check for how much fuel is in the car..." become a high-end subscription feature? Boycotting the subscription in the hope that Toyota will possibly rethink the program at some future date MAY be a delayed solution, but at the expense of reduced functionality that other auto makers provide for free.
But if I were in the Market for this specific truck or a car for that matter, I would tell the dealership that any existing door problems would need to be fixed, and the auto start and other basic features like how much fuel is in the tank, would need to be subscription free for life. If the dealership and Toyota could not get together and make that those fundamental things happen, I simply would not buy the car. Not buying the car would provide an opportunity for Toyota to examine subscription service and add on sales program.
Don't get me wrong, I have always been a huge fan of Toyota. However, last year I encountered similar "feature" add on fees, when my wife and I needed to replace our Camery and RAV4 with new models. Exasperated by the problem, we drove a mile down the street to the Honda dealership and purchased an Accord Touring and a CRV Touring.
Like I mentioned, it's just my opinion as a consumer.
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It turns out the guest mode/user profile issue wasn't user error as you had claimed, but is an actual issue that Toyota is going to remedy by February of 2022.
Thank you for your comment. According to my sources and chatting with others who own the Tundra, the user error is still an issue (ie, users may be confused or not utilizing the system fully) but Toyota is also responsible for making the system a bit too complicated. The changes coming Feb 2022 is just an update and not a overhaul of the software, but hopefully it will still help people use the system more effectively.
As a fellow Canadian, I'm extremely unhappy that we can't get the air suspension or towing mirrors in canada. I need these for towing my travel trailer an will be a decision breaker.
remember back in the day when all you needed was the truck, the physical key and you’re on your way?? what happened to those days?
I love Toyota, but that whole subscription/remote starter things really turns me off.
I've owned 5 new Tundras. And will not be buying a new one now. No recovery hooks. I use mine several times a year. Their autostart has always sucked, so no change there. Front and back are not very good looking. Engine power output is okay, but sacrificing a V8, I wanted better mileage, or at least more power.
Grew up in Montana and almost always had to park outside. Most of my family is still ther. I know what it means to have a cold car. Remote start is nice but honestly not that big of a deal. Ive had it on my vehicles for a long time but almost never use it. Neither doesn anyone else i know. Just go out and start the car. Its saving you like 20 steps. Slipping on boots is no big deal. Most of the time you have to stay out there and clean ice and snow off the windows for 10 minutes anyway. That last point is probably the main reason i never use it. I have to be out there anyway to scrap ice or shovel snow. So I dont see why people are freakn out about it.
Poor Tim is getting called out!
Unfairly, I think! It’s great that David has these tips in retrospect, but you shouldn’t have to be an engineer to figure out how to use your new truck. And it’s easy to Monday morning quarterback a solution for the door locks after Toyota had to send 5 engineers to figure out the problem because they were stumped.
Why are you blaming problems on the users? Toyota should know better. Are you paid by Toyota? These problems should be solved before releasing the vehicle. It is a fail!!!!!!
No no, I wasn't blaming the user. I was simply saying that some of the issues raised are the misunderstanding by the user... and I'm definitely not paid by Toyota