The man looks old enough to be someone's grandfather but is making comments about women over 30? How is that not disrespectful to women? He starts out saying these women are doing all men a favor then ends with it's disrespectful, WTF???
It's because m3n are delusional about their appearance. They honestly believe that they can get the woman of their dreams just for existing. Some m3n are finding out the hard way that they have been lied to. 😂
It’s all projection, he doesn’t offer much and he knows it. Women in their 30s and above need more gaslighting to manipulate so he tries to break them down.
It is called a male ego. I have always said God did invent something that has basically always been a mistake and has done more harm than good, a male ego.
It's amazing how a woman can disrespect men by conflating them with an extreme fringe. That being said, the stakes are high so it pays to be skeptical of all men until proven otherwise. The same is true for men when looking at allowing themselves to care for a woman... The stakes are high so it pays to be skeptical of them all until proven otherwise.
This guy’s words are sour grapes. “They’re all over 30 and have kids anyways, so it’s fine that they’re avoiding men!” He’s trying to cope with the reality of the 4B movement without realizing that his mindset is the problem.
How much ya wanna bet he's over 30 and has kids 🤔. I'm in my 50s and he gives me the creeps. He and guys like him: leave our young sisters alone, stay in your lane! Not their lane, not my lane, YOUR lane.
He thinks it’s disrespectful because he thinks he’s entitled to women and their bodies. He sees this as a personal attack although has nothing to with him.
For some "respect" is seeing someone as an authority figure For some "respect" is seeing someone as a human being The problem is that some will see being treated as a human isn't being treated as an authority, so they don't treat the other with ANY definition of respect Mr Beard is mad that he's not getting what he assumes men in power / positions of authority have access to: prey
So many people have seen scared women fawning for so long that they think its a natural state of being, so when they don't get it well she must hate all men
@@BliffleSplick If he wants authority, he has to work hard and become a CEO. This is a person who wants the power of being a CEO but doesn’t have capacity, skills and every other characteristic that someone in that position has and he definitely doesn’t want a responsibility that CEO position brings. He wants to be an authority for free and he can’t have that, that’s why he’s so mad, desperate and bitter.
Oh, it has everything to do with him. Because he has a jillion clones out there, and no one wants either him or his clones because he's a terrible person
Well, it does have something to do with him in the sense that it's men like him inspiring the movement in the first place. I'm happy with my healthy relationship, but if I were still in the single boat, I'd be walking away from the mess that far too many men are as well.
For me, it’s not even intentional to pull away from men. I’m not hurt or afraid or heartbroken. Just… unimpressed. The time spent looking for a keeper isn’t worth it, not if it means repeatedly interacting with emotionally immature, irresponsible, or angry guys up close. I can confidently and intentionally charm the teeth out of people at work or at parties, but when was the last time a man charmed or impressed me? Nah. I have better things to do.
Ok! I immediately fell for my husband bc he was charming and corny! I was thinking the other day about how men do not seduce or romance anymore. I love porn but I think we created a generation of lazy men who don’t know how to lay pipe let alone charm a woman.
@sapientmay6269 I hope you can find someone who is on your level. Noone says you have to date so no need to complain. But I suppose it's an ugly truth, you needed to say it. I get it. I hope that person finds you. You've clearly worked on yourself (or are just naturally charismatic) and you deserve someone on the same level and who can keep up
I realized I was the happiest when I wasn't in a relationship. Yes there are great memories and some were good guys but they wanted a subservient partner and that is not me. The last 8 years of my life have been the calmest and happiest. Even if I met someone who charmed and impressed me I would walk away
Dude is the “i want what i want, when i want it” Crowd. Don’t get drunk with him at parties, even if he doesn’t grape you, he will be psychologically and emotionally abusive. Just sayin.
Yeah the person who currently feels disrespected by my boundaries and the fact that I didn't want to be more than friends used to love using the catch phrase, "I do what I want." He was even bold enough to cuss out a police officer (he claims...) for giving him a citation for a rolling stop. Apparently it wasn't one of his "cop buddies" who is on the take. This is how their entitlement works. They get some "friends in high places" and start to think themselves invincible and above the law. I Walk With Source. The only "friend" I have is in the Highest Place of All.
For realz, I am 37 and I still would NEVER even entertain the thought. And he thinks a 20something will waste her time even looking towards his direction?! Delulu 😂
As a woman with a very low body count and no kids, I absolutely do not even look at any man who thinks it's ok to disrespect any of my sister friends. No thanks to this nonsense. I'm good bruh🙌
This and also I usually don’t wanna shame men or women for their lifestyles. But atp because of the way men speak about women in general, I don’t feel bad for saying that I don’t want a used up/passed around dildo
Most of the women talking about 4B aren’t even old or middle aged, it’s mostly young 20 something year old women who are unimpressed with the dating market and choosing not to buy. The only way that minding your own business can be seen as an act of disrespect is if you think you’re the main character and are trying to force yourself into someone’s life.
@Relyt345 Funny how you MGTOW guys always have to announce yourselves to women, as if you expect us to plead with you to change your mind. Ain't happening, dude. You want to go your own way, go. We don't care. Go your own way tf away from us. And then keep going.
My niece is 16 and already "opting out". I don't even think she knows about 4b (we're in Europe) but her other aunt works with battered women, so... I myself decided I wouldn't get married at age of 10, and stay childless at age of 17. I'm not against relationships, I'm on my 2nd wonderful unicorn guy right now (my 1st partner of 17 years died in 2020). I love being in a relationship, but I'd rather be alone than settle with someone who doesn't treat me right
Exactly I've been 4b since I was 18 now I'm 23 and I'm still a virgin and childless. I'm simply not impressed by the men I'm around. I do not hate men. If I met a guy I actually liked I would change! But I will not settle for someone like this.
@@eskarina1000 Acclimatizing to how elusive authentic reciprocity is and how to defend against that. The compulsion of making sure the other is safe and happy is often a little more lopsided than is worth engaging with and it has become pretty easy to spot. I estimate that a collective grasp of the issue began gaining social traction about a decade ago.
This guy shows clearly, that he doesn t believe in consent. How can saying no to dating, s...x, giving birth and marriage be disrespectful? It is just a dicision they make for their own bodies and lifes
I wouldn’t consider myself a member of the 4B movement but I do consider myself to the girlies who are opting out. The entitlement is CRAZY!!!! Feeling disrespected because a group of people are exercising their autonomy is CRAZY!!! As a girlie who isn’t opting out of dating and relationships men like this are not who I’d go for.
It seems that now with the red pill logic - woman doesn’t want to date a man and it’s disrespect. Man doesn’t want to date a woman and it’s having standards. And then they cry about how they’re punished for having standards lol. All these people are just chronically online. Nobody cares this much about other people dating or not in real life. It’s just people making their own choices about what’s best for them - everyone is doing this too not just women. But these guys who learn about women from other men online are just the loudest of the bunch, always have weird ideas about how people and the world work, and make everyone else put off as a result. They forget that women are also online and can see what they’re saying.
@Relyt345 no issue with MGTOW if they'd really GTOW, but from what I've seen of them, they still want to pester an manipulate women for sex, they don't want to leave women alone.
Firstly, Women are not like men. Women don't see men as creatures who are inherently born to serve women and therefore any exercise of their freedom of anatomy is seen as an insult or disrespect to women. Secondly, why I suggest that if you're really interested in this topic to start studying it more and hopefully you'll see the clear difference between these two movements and the difference between men and women in general. When women get disappointed in men after being abused and used by them for so long, they create a movement and avoid men all together. Men, on the other hand, when they no longer can get what they want from women which usually ends up revealing their desires for going back to traditional roles and women being subservient to them. As God intended, they create a movement to go their own way. But in reality, they stay obsessed with women. Members of this movement create online echo chambers where they bond with other men over their hatred for women and share their violent fantasies against women. You can see the results on the news everyday. Take the recent hate crime on New York against women for example. You don't see women walking around punching men because they hate them. These two are in no way similar and no woman will ever get upset or feel disrespected if men say they no longer want to associate themselves with women. In fact, we are very happy.
As a divorced mother, I used dating apps for a few years. It was a disaster. Insults left and right, because of my age, because of my status, because of my looks, because of my hobbies (I'm a film buff and a gamer). I finally decided I want absolutely nothing with heterosexual men. My only male friend happens to be gay. I hope to teach my son to consider women as fellow human beings, not prey, not objects, just people to get to know and enjoy their company if they're worth it.
My mind is focused on solutions and I kept thinking we should make a dating site whereby people are vetted for the criteria that truly matters... What a change that would be...! Imagine all of us being inclusive, compassionate and encouraging towards otherness, no religious bigotry, manageable levels of emotional immaturity, aka, I won't try to destroy you because you, politely, rejected my advances, and you won't do the same if I rejected you, either, no calling each other names, and all the rest we bring up in here. Bliss. I think we'd all feel safe and free, for a change. ❤
Ehh, judging the world by the experience on dating apps is misguided imho. Those kind of people would match you only to insult you, wpuld go out of their way just to ruin someone's day, that's why there were so many of them. Good men who just weren't interested weren't matching you to say "hey, awesome that you play games and love movies but I'm not looking for someone with a child" or "you look great and it's admirable that you're a single mother but you're a bit too old for me since I'm only 20" or "I'd love to be a father and I couldn't habe my own kids so the fact you have one is a plus for me, but all my hobbies are outdoors, I'm really looking for someone with a passion for sports". They wouldn't waste their and your time. Only the nasty kind is matching in such circumstances.
@@tymondabrowski12 That's a lot of time that they are using in zero positive ways. Do those men think that being actively ugly on dating apps or social media will benefit them in some way? Because I'm not seeing it.
Black Santa: "Women should close their legs and stop having children with dusties." Women: "Alrighty then, 4B it is." Black Santa: "Nooo! Not like that!!!"
Me setting boundaries isn't me disrespecting men. Me respecting myself and my body enough not to give to disrespectful men isn't me disrespecting men. Waiting for a man who doesn't hate me or disrespect me ISN'T ME DISRESPECTING MEN. If these males would grow up and become actual men, we would have no problem with showing them the respect they deserve. I'm not part of any type of "movement" and I do not need anyone else to tell me where my boundaries lie or where they should lie. The problem these males are having is that they are not desirable to women and they blame women for that rather than looking at themselves and fixing what makes them so undesirable. Thank you for calling it out! Namaste 💜🙏🏽🕊
It is insane the amount of time & energy some men will put into being stubborn & NOT growing & evolving as a basic human….when it would take 1/4 of the effort to seek therapy and gain emotional intelligence & they would end up so much happier 🤦🏻♀️
Stubborn for exercising a choice or preference? We have had "Men need fixing" for at least four decades and there is often no end to the demands. Find a genuinely "emotionally intelligent man" and he will likely keep you at arms length and you have yet to discover why that is.
I gave up. Too many rude disrespectful men who didn't care about me as a person but only saw me as prey, or men who expect me to be their mother and their therapist. If I meet a guy who is both respectful and a functioning adult and he's interested I'll give him a chance. But I'm not looking any more. And until then, nope! But honestly, since I'm bi, I'm more likely to find a good woman to be with.
As a 28-year-old woman who has never dated or been intimate, I’m choosing to prioritize myself. Men have been acting too entitled and rude lately, with shallow and disrespectful mindsets. I’ve decided to invest my time, energy, money, love, and care into my own growth. Kindly consider adopting a dog-they are far more affectionate and loyal than men.
You go girl. You are exactly where you need to be. I am proud of you. Dogs are better than husbands. I am 63 and I believe you! Love yourself lady and that will be all you need.
Nancyr and i just finished saying that one of my favorite authors said, my 3rd husband will be a 🐶 dog and yes, they’re far more loyal too. i had to teach my ex a few good lessons and now we’re good friends and we both enjoy our daughter who is 30
he was loyal and always at home, unlike my babysitter i wished he would get the F out sometimes, instead of sitting in front of the TV, book on his lap, headphones on and if you asked him something, it was WHAT!!! at the end of nursing school, it was diploma in one hand and divorce papers in the other
How can 4B be disrespectful to men? Y'all've been telling us to "choose better" for years & we've simply taken that advice. Now we're choosing to invest our time, energy, money, love & other resources into ourselves.
Because they interpret our freedom and independence as an afront to their fantasy of enslavement. The slave owner's reaction was exactly the same after slaves were freed. The slave owners said they couldn't understand why slaves wanted freedom when the slave owners "provided" for them and gave them a "home", sound familiar ladies? The slave owners were angry that "disrespectful" slaves were choosing to leave after they were free to leave. Men treat women as slaves.
There's something really, really disgusting in what that guy is saying. His stance is that deciding not to date, marry, have sex or babies is disrespectful to men. I'd like to know how. If a person decides they don't want to engage in any of those behaviors, it's their choice. It's not as if they are saying that men won't be allowed to date, marry, have sex and babies; any man who chooses to engage in any of those activities still has the power to do so with any other person who is willing. What this guys words and attitude smack of is a sense of entitlement. He's implying men are entitled to all of those things and women deciding they don't want to is depriving men of something they're entitled to. And they can't figure out why any woman would be a part of something like the 4B movement, or simply choose to be single. 🙄
I honestly wouldn't have a problem with the MGTOW movement if it were simply about men going "you know what? I'm done dating. This is exhausting. I can live an entirely fulfilling life without a partner, and I reject any societal pressure to date." But because it is often a movement about being cruel to women in some of the most hateful ways, it's genuinely frightening.
Agreed. If MGTOW was actually full of men going *their own way*, away from us, not involving us, that would be cool. I'd be all right with that. Enjoy your manly man stuff and live your life. Most women just don't want to live in a culture where we are treated as objects for men to pursue and attain. Wishing all those dudes peace and mental health care.
Fallacy on the Play: Straw Man, wherein a false position is attributed to the opposing view, because it's easier to counter. You've fraudulently conflated misogyny with indifference.
That does not equal getting worse thou XD it is just a number when it comes to your being I am over 30 and still feels and looks like a 25 years old(no illnesses, ect.) so i am good thank you
Lmao fr. It's funny how it goes full circle. How if you have zero body count suddly youre a "ugly old crone" archetype... these types of men won't let you win haha.
@@g3n0sc1d3 Oh that's just sexism, which dictates that women are at no point humans and acceptable. Aka not even the most fitting woman for this man will at any point be "correct" Because at no point is any of this about women. It's all about such sexistic men and sexistic men's brain farts. Their standard is: Be my perfect, unlimited, infinite object to use and discard and pick back up eventually. And no human can stop being human to such degree on the long run. 🤡
@@g3n0sc1d3 ...? Men do have preferences, I know it sucks but they do, just like women have preferences. Every now and again you will see a couple who do nothing but laugh at each others difference's and their own weaknesses... I guess they like each other more than the differences gets on their nerves. How do you "win"... Its hard but not the least bit complicated!
He thinks it’s disrespectful because he thinks he’s entitled to women and their bodies. He see this as a personal attack although has nothing to with him.
Yep. ❤ And your comment just made me realise something. That lately I've got this not even really expressed intention to settle down because it feels pointless, all this wander and search. I want to stop searching. As a rule, no one falls in love and goes into a romantic relationship thinking that it's for a limited period only. I mean I hope not, that person is going to hold back.
I’m confused how he’s making the claim that a movement that started in South Korea are women over 30, unmarried, single mothers with high body counts. He basically is just saying he has no clue about cultural differences and gender dynamics within those different cultures. It’s not even really a movement. It’s just women making choices for themselves lol. Women who thought this always existed, he just never encountered it because women don’t have to disclose this info and they wouldn’t be interested in dating him. And gee I wonder why women wouldn’t want to date his arrogant, uncultured self lol.
👋🏼 woman here 😊 Currently under 30, low body count, no kids in tow, and I'm still not checking for prison Santa over here. Couldn't be any less attracted to him even if I tried. #4B (until the foreseeable future)
Many men have been basically 4B for a long time and seem to be resolute, there does not seem to be much "until the foreseeable future" in their position. The "new women" has captured the current zeitgeist and even if the tide has turned, I doubt things will improve for a couple of decades.
Let me tell old “white beard” something: I am eligible to collect my retirement from my job. BUT guess what? I went 4B in the early 1990s. No kids. And “low” so-called “body count.” I ✌🏼’d out on dating and dealing with men 3 decades ago mr white-beard! 🙄
I am not sure he is looking, he looks to be one of those who went the male version of "4B" a long time ago. You girls seem to be a decade late in grasping that many men have abandoned the modern women.
@@bob7975 ...? The male psyche has been vilified, rejected and abandoned in ever increasing quantities for at least two decades which is unpleasant but hey-ho, free choice and all that jazz. In a self defense, males have been acclimatizing and adapting over the last decade to a more solitary existence in response. The cows are coming home and the piper must be paid :) After all, what does a typical modern woman offer to a man that trumps being single?
@@bob7975 The male psyche has been vilified, rejected and abandoned in ever increasing quantities for at least two decades which is unpleasant but hey-ho, free choice and all that jazz. In a self defense, we have been acclimatizing and adapting over the last decade to a more solitary existence in response. The cows are coming home and the piper must be paid :) After all, what does a typical modern woman offer to a man that beats being single?
@@bob7975 ...? The male psyche has been vilified, rejected and abandoned in ever increasing quantities for at least two decades which is unpleasant but hey-ho, free choice and all that jazz. In a self defense, males have been acclimatizing and adapting over the last decade to a more solitary existence in response. After all, what does a typical modern woman offer to a man that trumps being single?
Because they interpret our freedom and independence as an afront to their fantasy of enslavement. The slave owner's reaction was exactly the same after slaves were freed. The slave owners said they couldn't understand why slaves wanted freedom when the slave owners "provided" for them and gave them a "home", sound familiar ladies? The slave owners were angry that "disrespectful" slaves were choosing to leave after they were free to leave. Men treat women as slaves.
This is so true and they just don't see it. They feel so entitled, they feel Like we have the better Life than them, at least that is what they say ('you stay with the Kids, you do Not need to work' I AM WORKING, I AM DOING EVERYTHING YOU DO NOT DO!). But they act different than what they say because they Take all the freedom they want in this world and we have invisible ties around us (Kids!!!! Money). So yeah, If I could Go Back, I would choose 4B too. No Man, No Kids Just WHAT I WANT TO DO
I'm a married old lady. I am finding that the older I get, the less appealing men are to me. I used to love men. Decades of dealing with them have really opened my eyes. If I end up single, I would never date. It's all so overrated.
I'm in my 20 and they already lost the appeal for me 😂, I swear I try to like them but I only see big babies, I don't hate them for that but I wouldn't sleep with that 😅
Not having sex is the default. Not dating or marrying is the default. Not having children... is the default. It's just a choice not made. There is no stance other than, "I'm good."
I was thinking the same thing, he looks so good with his hair like that. 😄 I need more men like him in my life. 💜 There are waaayy, too many of mcbeardy there around me. I should settle for guys like him with that old beard? 🤢🤮 Nah, I'm good.
You made an excellent point, among many other excellent points. That if the majority of women's interactions with men were positive, they wouldn't need to take such drastic steps for their own safety and sanity. I have wonderful men in my life, but the majority of interactions that I have with men are not positive. The majority of my dating experiences have been nightmarish. A large percentage of my friendships with men have been filled with issues. So I completely understand when women just want to separate themselves from men in general. And it's not all men. Not at all. It's unhealthy men. They're just happens to be a very large percentage of unhealthy men that make up the whole.
And not like there's a tattoo on their foreheads to mark the ones to avoid. Nope. Wmn are locked in a room w/100 snakes, 10 of which are venomous & they all look the same
Yeah I tried dating... he tried to control me. I left. I never gave him what he wanted. Never have sex early on. Never. Get to know their attitudes first.
@@fullmooneve1651 Old ladies in the house!!!! I want to go for drink with all of you. And how much would we laugh at a man like this approaching us with his nonsense?! 😂 And most of the men I know would be like WTF??!! at this self-centered garbage from this guy!! Stay cool, chicas. ❤
I don’t consider a disrespectful to anyone to choose my own path and do what I wanna do with my own life How in the world is it disrespectful to some random man that I don’t even know
Oh, cause you know, people with narcissistic behaviour patterns are of the delusion that it's everyone's job to be at their disposal and systemic sexism (same with any other form of systemic discrimination) tags who is the most acceptable to target, without fearing societal consequences.
Since I was a child I wanted to have a family and raise children. 20 years of being a grown up woman and I've never met a man who actually wants to be an EQUAL PARTNER. Now I'm grateful I didn't end up raising any of those men's progeny. I can't imagine taking care of a grown man the way my friends do either. I'm continuously shocked by what absolute toddlers they can be. In every way imaginable. Stomping around making everyone's lives miserable, don't anger the king baby. It's wild lol. Thank you for being a breath of fresh air and reminding us men like you do exist. But still, 4B for life 😁
same as you! It's so rare that I feel impressed... sometimes they say that I have too many standards but they fail to see that I apply those standard for myself too, I won't settle for less!
1:30 in the middle ages there were communities of secular (non nun) women, some were widows, some were women who just never married. We need to bring this back.
The whole high body count thing-don’t some men also have high body counts? Who cares? Any person’s body count is no one else’s business. With men, is it their fear of being sexually compared unfavorably with other men? Oh no, the horror and fear of women with experience who have learned what they want!
I experienced smth that was absolutely unpleasant and escalated to things that I never want to experience again - men with multiple hidden relationships, in various stages of consumption. You have no idea of the existence of these women or men, if you're a man, but they know about you and under aliases they're bullying and antagonising you online. Never in my life have I thought I'm going to be in a terrible mess like that. Not one, not two, but several women with whom he was entangled or led them on, who thought I was a threat and felt entitled to start conflict. In light of this experience, his body count only counts if he hadn't finished his past relationships and those ex partners think they can have a say in his life. Justifiably so.
Fr 😂😂. I know what i want in the bed thanks to some experiences i had casually and serious ones. Males are pathetic and miserable. Plus they are 🤢 in bed 😂😂
In 2000, at the age of 37, I opted out of dealing with men. I'm a Christian and handed the whole relationship and marriage thing over to God. Once that was done, I felt relief. I was hurt by two Christian men that year and decided I was just rubbish at finding a good relationship. Once I stopped looking, and ignoring Christians who told me it was my duty to marry and pop out babies, life was so much easier and enjoyable. I can honestly say that the only time I wish I had a partner is when my back needs scratching or I can't decide what to eat for dinner. I like men, I know many lovely ones, but I've never met one I couldn't live without.
Simple counter argument. If men don't mind the 4b movement and consider it a win then why create a video complaining about it and why nit pick about whether it's respecting dudes if the women are literly leaving ya'll alone?!?!? Make it make sense.
Well, women that don’t want any man on the planet removing themselves from the dating pool is a win in the sense that it wastes less of everyone’s time, but a loss in that a bunch of women have expectations so high that there’s no person throughout time and history that they could ever be happy with. This isn’t what I’d wish for anyone I care about or love. Is the lack of being impressed because no men are impressive? (definitely not the case) Or is something causing women to develop an inability to value or love any man at all? Theres something big time wrong when people expect the world from someone but also expect nothing of themselves. Want to have their flaws overlooked yet accept none in a partner. When people can’t love or appreciate their equivalent of the opposite (or same) gender.
@@Relyt345We do not want you. Men are desperate and EASY! Getting a man is not a win and your little rambling diatribe was utter nonsense. Grow up, leave us alone and learn to validate yourself on your own-outside of women and sex. You have a hand I assume? USE IT🤡
I'll go a step further here "❣️Feminists are sacred ❣️" I don't give a damn about gender in this context. After all, I don't grant mercy to women who are sexists either 💅.
Your commentary is so refreshing to me especially in the wake of America voting for a rapist rather than a competent woman. I subscribed to your channel ❤
Ugh. It’s like watching a homeless man strut around a Lamborghini dealership ranting about why he wouldn’t buy this or that, when he doesn’t even have $ for the vending machine in the lobby.
Why would any women choose to be with a man who doesn't even genuinely like women? Better to be single than being alone together. Even when being single sucks because at least you can treat yourself with human dignity and respect and create a family of friends who genuinely cares .
As a 27 year old virgin who is roughly a "7-8/10" and only wanted to give that part of myself to someone I can see myself marrying (and hopefully having kids with!), I am now told I am a "red flag" for my non-existent body count, that I'm immature and undesirable because men around my age want "women with experience". At this point, the 4b movement makes total sense. Because these men clearly don't actually care what our state is as a woman - they'll blame us and demean us either way. So any women with high body counts who might read this, I can say from experience you have NO LESS value than I do. It's just low value men taking the easiest path of trying to devalue us to *their* level. Know your worth, sisters! Live life for you! ❤
Never knew of 4Bs, but kinda doing it. At this point I don't want any ties to a man that can be permanent in any way unless it's both our choice, so I have no interest in eitger marriage, that might lead to alimony and other issues, living with a man, for the same reasons, and having children. It is what it is. I might date, eventually, but it will take time and a lot of trust to develop anything further. The amount of trust I need nowadays to have s*x with someone is over the top, but again, it is what it is. If I'm in this position now, is only because things have happened to make me feel this way. So I don't think I owe any man anything at this point. I don't have to marry or have children, so I'm not giving in to that level of entitlement. How can you consider disrespectful something that is basically born out of self preservation after being dealt with severe trauma and disrespect by men? Give me a break...
As a female who was sexually abused by my own father from the age of 5 years old, I ran away and overcame that while putting myself through school and working part was sexually assaulted by my manager. I decided to change my life and do some traveling and meet and married am from another country. I was married to him for 20 years and we had one child then while I was in the hospital having surgery he cheated on me and got the other female pregnant and lied to me about it for many years and I found out by accident. I have been single ever since then. If men don't like how we see them they need to change their poor behavior and call other men out on there's. Women give up on men forever for good reasons. No one wants to be hurt or worse over and over again.
I am so sorry for you. You are right, we do not want to be hurt at all. Love yourself dear lady you have been through way too much. Love yourself because you survived all that. You are amazing.
Ironic thought….. I don’t have sex with everyone I respect, if I did you would say I have I high body count and refuse to respect me, and yet you accuse me of disrespecting you by not having sex with you…… sounding a little delulu my dude.
The sad thing is that you are free to not date someone with "high body count" (hate this term) but why being disrespectful? They really can't help themselves
@@gaia7240 The even sadder thing is they still often go out of their way to sleep with the "high body counts," even while they are in relationships with the low body count women. They do not respect anyone on either side. It's really a lose/lose situation, which is why I don't blame other women for opting out.
"I had no idea there were so many men out there that were so stubborn, so reluctant to look within" - that's literally 100% of the problem, and I'm glad you see it now too. I hope you can help other men see it, because one of the worst feelings about being a woman is thinking you have a friend in someone only for them to show how little they actually care about your experiences and don't believe what you're living day in and day out. It's certainly 'not all men', but it's enough that even engaging with any men is potentially exhausting and frustrating to the point where it's easier to just avoid them altogether and not roll the dice.
I am so glad that "the wall" and "body count" and "the manosphere" were not a thing when I was dating. Truth be known, I'm really glad that I'm 65 and beyond all this nonsense. Social media has not been a net positive for society.
What makes me laugh is men have their own wall at 30. Their sperm starts to deteriorate. As for looks, they think they all age well....🙄 eh. Nope. Then it's 'i have resources' aka money, as if women at 30 haven't had a job or anything and make their own or own their own stuff.
I got in an argument on Reddit with a few people over a post where a woman wasn’t able to take birth control. She asked her husband to get a vasectomy after an incident where the condom broke but he didn’t tell her right away (which is already fucked up). So the crux of the post was: she refused to have sex until he got a vasectomy. THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMENTS ANGRY AT HER WAS INSANE. “She’s punishing him” How is she punishing him? “She’s not having sex with him when he want” Ok? So she owes him sex? “No” Well how is she punishing him? And it went round and round.
Ok tbh my first instinct was to be angry because why not judt break up?? That makes more sense. She doesnt owe him sx and he doesnt owe her a permanent change to his body. If she cant take birth control she should find someone who can get a vasectomy. Or just use cndms. Woman's body woman's choice. Why is it not the same for men? I understand shes in a tough spot of course but better than manipulating a guy into a relarionship then telling him.
@leafy Why the automatic assumption she had to have manipulated him into marrying her? She very well might have been a purity culture girl & not known she was unable to tolerate BCP
At 41 I went through an unexpected divorce (wife cheated on me but story is much more nuanced than that, suffice to say I needed therapy to overcome trauma from it and I'm in a MUCH better headspace now) and when I finally decided that I was ready to rejoin the dating field.... Holy hell the stories I heard from the women I would go on dates with. Things I would do, just because they seemed like the logical or appropriate thing to do, like opening doors, asking about hobbies and showing interest in their lives, not attempting to grope them, as well as other basic human decency and interactions got me so many compliments. Maybe it's just my age group (although I suspect it isn't) but the bar is so incredibly low that I felt like Don Juan but I really wasn't doing anything special or unique. I was looking for a partner, someone to challenge me and share in the adventures of life (I have found such a person and they are AMAZING!). So yeah, I was more interested in getting to know someone, making sure we had shared values and potentially overlapping interests. Things that would be foundational to a long and rewarding relationship. HOWEVER, I would hear stories of many men that would be rude. Insist on sex on the first date. Basically demand oral sex. Have horrible hygiene. Act essentially like overgrown man children. So while I was just trying to be a gentleman the way my father had taught me, I was seen as a unicorn compared to the cesspool that was the men in the dating scene. So is it like this everywhere? Is it just my age range? (Canadian living in southwestern Ontario). If so, yeah. I totally get why women would just give up on dating. Why wouldn't they? Holy hell the horror stories I heard.
I live in Southwestern ontario too. It must be our water. I had many horrible experiences and a friend of mine was locked in her date's bedroom without shoes and he smashed all the windows so she couldn't move without cutting her feet. I could share many stories, but men have just gotten horrible. I am sorry sir, I am sure you are a fine gentlemen but the majority of men are in need of personal growth, therapy, and just classes to show them how to be human beings. It must be the water here. I am glad we both found partners sir. Treasure her. Mine treasures me like I am a winning lotto ticket, which I am. :)
@@AWalkWithWhizzy Happy to hear this. And I 1000% do. She is truly amazing and I definitely feel like I've won the lottery. Without therapy though, I would not have been in the proper headspace to the kind of partner that she deserves though. And I sincerely hope you continue to be treated like the winning lottery ticket that you are. I love hear stories like that. Good to create hope in this crazy world
Go glad you worked through your trauma, sir, and found a great partner! I am older than you, and alas, I understand why you were treated like a precious unicorn. So many guys with substance issues (I wish them well, but don't want to be their sponsor-), control issues, lack of self-awareness. I delight in my male friendships, but not doing the romance thing, maybe ever again. Wishing you and your sweetheart a long and joyful journey!😊
I know this runs counter to a lot of stereotypes but I had much better luck in the Balkans than I ever have in the US. Met lots of men who didn't say weird sexual shit and instead would just invite me to a date at a nice spot and hold hands or something. Maybe the luck of the draw but it was pretty wholesome to go on dates with people who just wanted to have fun and flirt and didn't feel the need to insult me. Crazy.
I did online dating for 3 years - married men taking me to dinner in an 'out of the way' restaurant, man I dated twice asked me to make a sex tape, one guy who was a doctor shoved his STD report across the table only 5 minutes in, being nasty to the waitstaff (don't be hateful to the people working hard and making our food), so many crazy stories I could share
Yes, she certainly did. As the prediction for 2030 (45% wmn being single/childfree) gets closer to becoming the new reality, I strongly suspect the same response from those in power
The Ancient Greeks knew this. That play is a comedy, but the mere fact that a story like this had such traction in a patriarchal society like Ancient Greece tells us something. Nothing new under the sun.
Holy crap i was a part of the 4B movement before i knew what it was 😮 My reasons: 1. i have my own issues and survival i have to deal with. One of them being im disabled and physically and mentally unfit to care for a child, let alone be in a relationship with especially men or anyone else. 2. 1 have reproductive and other medical health issues that would make it impossible and endanger myself and my child if i were to breed. 3 i am financially barely able to care for myself. 4. im focused on my own wellness and recovery. To the incell with the beard. The 4B movement cannot be disrespectful towards men as at its core is NOT about them. In fact, some men have taken this route as well, its just that its more focused on women because the governments in a few countries wants to own our uterus and thinks they can.
Thanks for saying that. I’ve been grossed out about that term, “body count”, for a longtime. It’s a war term for how many kills. Especially disgusting that it’s men using it to describe women rather than the other way around which is the reality. And it also disgusts me that these men use someone as precious as a woman’s child as a symbol of her unworthiness of love. Just disgusting.
So sad that nobody wants to date me after my stint in the Serbian mafia tbh. But I was young, we all go through that phase. Nobody judges men if the execute a few heads of state in their 20's, smh
I have a co-worker in her 20s, with 3 kids and a man who is basically another toddler. I feel sorry for her. And this guy with a Santa beard is trying to convince me that being single and childfree at the age of 35 is a bad deal!!! Some men will have nothing but they will still have the audacity.
Good point. If men are gonna complain about women not wanting kids with them, first thing they should do is work on themself to actually be good parents that put in a fair amount of work in raising them and dont leave 90% of the work to the woman. Its already so much easier to want kids in the first place when YOU dont have to be the one to go through the whole process of pregnancy, childbirth and then being the primary caretaker or an infant that wakes you up "constantly" day and night. And on top of that, men can easily leave any actual responsibilety of caring for the child once its born while mom is usually stuck. Any woman actually wanting kids should make sure in advance the man she has them with is someone caring, hardworking and responsible who is willing to put an equal amount of work. A lot of men can blame themself
Thanks for being decent and rational, and calling these jerks out. Dating is hard for everybody, but actively terrifying when you're a woman, because Never-Combs-His-Beard is the type of men you meet out there. 😨
I'm 4B because we are dying over here. Abortions are healthcare. We keep dying because we cant access the care we need in a lot of areas in the US and starting 2025 its going to get worse. I dont want to die.
You right, majority of us, women, do want families, but the reality is the lack of maturity (psychological, emotional, spiritual, dare i say financially, the lack of self-awareness, understanding, being able to put yourself in a womens shoes ( hell, any other person's shoes) their laziness when it comes to raising children and being actively involved ( how many married women are actually single parents), and helping around the house, the list is endless). Its all just exhausting. And we have not even mentioned any type of abuse. But they are soooo confused wives asks divorce, its always claimed to be " out of the blue" Grow up that all we are asking, geez
And that's the reason throughout all of human civilization, cultures, and history until the recent modern day, younger women most often married older men because they had achieved or were closer to meeting the criteria you listed. They were mature enough and situated in life enough to provide for a family.
@@RM-qq5rjand to also ABUSE. This was only needed because women were financially OPPRESED. The tables have turned and most men can’t even do THE ONE JOB. You’ve become redundant on top of unlikable and most do not have the leverage or appeal,
One of the men I tried dating literally would blow his paycheck on toys yet wanted a family obviously that relationship didn't last past a month... men are children.
I started a clothing company and went 10 years without sex. I didn't miss it. I met great people and had fun. A few years after that, I went back to school for my PhD. I now teach at a university. I own my home, I have zero debt, and I enjoy my life. I don't think grandpa moses with the grizzly beard can say that. Live your best lives, ladies!
Never part of that movement, yet part of it, for the past many years. I didn't hate men, I was heartbroken and I feared them. You could've easily asked me if I was OK and who hurt me, because I would've just collapsed sobbing (and I did, in therapy, and sometimes on these social media streets, too). I think we can come back to the golden middle road from extremes (staying completely abstinent for the past many years was also an extreme on my part) and de-radicalize, but it takes work, it takes a total change in worldview and relationships and most importantly, dropping the illusion that we should do it to hone to perfection. Progress, yes, perfection, nope.
4B may sound a bit radical to us (though not inconceivable, of course. I understand and support it perfectly fine.) though, as far as I have been made aware from folks in those regions, a lot of east Asia is still _quite_ sexist, tends to have stricter gender expectations, and feminism is generally mocked and frowned upon in the mainstream there; significantly more so than here. The claim that 4B is disrespectful to men? Only if men believe that they are actually _entitled_ to dating, marriage, impregnating someone, and sex. It is not disrespectful to simply live a life of strictly platonic and familial relationships with men.
@@mtclauraamaral2201 Right you are! _Absolutely_ men like that would _still_ piss and moan if they _were_ entitled to those things, but they couldn't be picky about who, specifically, they got.
"radical" to simply not want to be with a man in a sex"ual relationship. You realise the implications of you calling that "radical" don't you? Also you're saying that being a gay woman is also "radical". 🙄 You're implying there is something wrong, extreme, odd, bizarre and not normal to be 4B. But in fact a woman's natural state is an individual, not a s"ex object or breeding stock for men. The 'radical' choice, if you think about it, is when women choose to risk their lives just to have se"x and children with men. Especially when contraception, abortion and other care is illegal, unreliable and restricted. That 54% of drugged SA happen on dates. 94% of Ra*pees are by someone the woman knows. 67% of women experience domestic violence and SA in THEIR HOME WITH A MAN. So actually the 'radical' choice is to give up a healthy body and mind and peace and safety just to date and live with a man. They say a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle, they are definitely overestimating how useful men are. 😆
How dare you say you as a man are "perfectly fine and supportive" of women choosing to be 4B. You realise that you are implying women need your approval. 🙄 It's extremely patronising and condescending of you.
@@obscurum6 I don't get that vibe and, quite frankly, one of the things that's always been an issue is that some men will only listen to other men so having allies who can explain why they are unbothered by the "panic of the day" is useful.
I am not 4B, but I definitely empathize with people who have given too much to risk more and are cashing out while they still have a chance. I have no idea why it would be disrespectful lol. When dudes tell me they don't sleep with women I'm like... Oh neat. Because I dont know if this guy heard, but that is actually pretty common lol
I can't get over the hypocrisy of considering a percentage of women as unacceptable and it's a "favor" to men then in the same sentence calls their personal decision disrespectful to men.
Nuns and monks have taken oaths reflecting these principles for centuries and nobody called that disrespectful. The only thing that makes this upsetting to these men is that women are now doing it for their own benefit rather than that of a nonexistent deity.
funny how older men don't want older women, men with 'high body counts' don't want that in women, and news flash... children of single mothers have dads too, I'm sensing some double standards here
The main reason women wanted to get married in the first place was because there was otherwise no place for them in society. Traditional societies are geared around channeling women into this life choice, especially when arranged marriages are involved. No other future is presented to them, and the burden of expectation is inescapable. You see a lot of weeping brides out there, which is really why veils are the universal uniform of a bride cross-culture.
I have been 4B for nine years. I did this after being divorced and having children so maybe these guys would say I’m one of those that has “hit the wall“. And I really don’t care. I don’t talk about it, I just go about my life. But I’m telling you, when men find out that I don’t date or have any plans to ever have sex, or being a romantic relationship ever again, they take it very personal. And the thing is they are the ones that bring it up! It’s like they take it as a personal insult that there are women in the world who are just opting out. It’s weird. I’m not bothering anybody. I do my job. I take care of my houses. I raise my kids. The fact that I am existing without allowing man access to my body or service, feels like violence to them.
The 4B/"Four Nos" movement sounds insanely radical to us, but it probably makes a lot more sense in South Korea. Honestly, it might be a desperate-but-necessary attempt by women in a bad situation to claim some autonomy in the only way they can. I mean, we've had over fifty years of women's rights in the West, but women and men both _still_ have trouble _not_ defaulting to sexist expectations when they get involved with someone.
Higher middle class and up might have had 50 years of women’t rights in the West, but first of all this is a minority of people, second of all 50 years is nothing compared to the centuries of effed up treatment of women and how it’s ingrained as norm into the mind of many as if was a birthright of men to abuse and use women. South Korea is not isolated from the West. Women’s rights movements started in the 19th century by the way. To you it might sound radical, cause it seems to take away something that is not a given in the first place, but to others it might sound understandable without being in SK. To many men this sounds radical, to most women this is not a surprise at all. You have a woman pic as avatar, but you sound a lot like a dude. :)
It's disrespectful for people to live their life the way they want to and not cater it around pleasing someone else(you)?... He is literally calling it disrespectful for women doing what THEY want with their OWN lives(bodies)... WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK MY GUY?! Does he think he's king of the world and all women are his possessions to order around? .. what is this attitude?!?
I’m 4b I guess, too hurt atm to date but I know some decent men, they’re just usually quite a bit older, like being single or already in successful relationships/marriages. I’m a bit rusty on the dating thing now and you do tend to get stuck in your ways then guard that! I figure if I meet someone I can’t resist in the wild then I’ll take it from there and see what happens but not actively looking.
It really does my heart good to see you so successfully explaining to a lot of very confused people of all ages, how to be a decent human being who sees others as having the same value, rights, needs, dreams as they do, no matter their sex, gender, race, etc. XGen cheering you on from the bleachers 🙌
Being older and a single woman, ‘looking for a man’ is pure torture. I’m capable of taking care of myself. A person would have to add to my happiness. It is sad how many men believe the only thing they have (and need) to offer is the fact that they are male.
And there are men saying exactly the same thing. The problem for you and a potential partner/husband, how do you both get to make each other's lives happier, if both of you have to compromise in your current lives? Isn't the very act of compromise to keep another person happy going to reduce your happiness? And there are many men who ask what women have to offer and the answer from some women is "all this" (presenting their body), it's all they they have (and think they need) to offer.
I’m 48, CF, and haven’t gone on a date in six or seven years. You know what? My life is so much more peaceful, creative, safe, and just more relaxed. There’s very few cishet men out there who are even emotionally intelligent, healthy, empathetic, or intuitive. And I’ve rejected over 90% of opportunities to add to my “body count”. What about this grandpa? I bet he’s pounced on anything willing that has a pulse. 😂 Until men collectively wake up and work on themselves my plants are getting my attention. Along with feral cats! At least those keep pests down, instead of becoming one. They eat a lot less, too. 😂
My retired Special Forces father stopped asking why I am not not actively dating after my mother died and he starting paying attention to the men in my age group.
The man looks old enough to be someone's grandfather but is making comments about women over 30? How is that not disrespectful to women? He starts out saying these women are doing all men a favor then ends with it's disrespectful, WTF???
He is clearly up there in age where it starts to get hard to remember one's lies.😅
He thinks he’s a school boy 😂
Well, I think the problems is that he isn't anyones grandpa....I would have no interest in helping him out with the first step😂😂😂
It's because m3n are delusional about their appearance. They honestly believe that they can get the woman of their dreams just for existing. Some m3n are finding out the hard way that they have been lied to. 😂
It’s all projection, he doesn’t offer much and he knows it. Women in their 30s and above need more gaslighting to manipulate so he tries to break them down.
It's amazing how man men think it's "disrespectful" for women to try taking action so that they won't be assaulted, abused or killed by them.
Exactly
It is called a male ego. I have always said God did invent something that has basically always been a mistake and has done more harm than good, a male ego.
The delusion is crazy for dudes who be smoke this type of crack.
It's amazing how a woman can disrespect men by conflating them with an extreme fringe.
That being said, the stakes are high so it pays to be skeptical of all men until proven otherwise.
The same is true for men when looking at allowing themselves to care for a woman... The stakes are high so it pays to be skeptical of them all until proven otherwise.
This guy’s words are sour grapes. “They’re all over 30 and have kids anyways, so it’s fine that they’re avoiding men!” He’s trying to cope with the reality of the 4B movement without realizing that his mindset is the problem.
Bingo. And the under-30s with no kids don't want him either. How is this a win for him?
Right? Like a hot 20something would give that ragged OLD MAN the time of day!
And it is quite possible that no woman anywhere, any time, any place, EVER has wanted anything at all to do with him. And there are reasons for that.
How much ya wanna bet he's over 30 and has kids 🤔. I'm in my 50s and he gives me the creeps. He and guys like him: leave our young sisters alone, stay in your lane! Not their lane, not my lane, YOUR lane.
@@Mpal217 Oh honey, he's WAY over 30!
He thinks it’s disrespectful because he thinks he’s entitled to women and their bodies.
He sees this as a personal attack although has nothing to with him.
For some "respect" is seeing someone as an authority figure
For some "respect" is seeing someone as a human being
The problem is that some will see being treated as a human isn't being treated as an authority, so they don't treat the other with ANY definition of respect
Mr Beard is mad that he's not getting what he assumes men in power / positions of authority have access to: prey
So many people have seen scared women fawning for so long that they think its a natural state of being, so when they don't get it well she must hate all men
@@BliffleSplick
If he wants authority, he has to work hard and become a CEO. This is a person who wants the power of being a CEO but doesn’t have capacity, skills and every other characteristic that someone in that position has and he definitely doesn’t want a responsibility that CEO position brings. He wants to be an authority for free and he can’t have that, that’s why he’s so mad, desperate and bitter.
Oh, it has everything to do with him. Because he has a jillion clones out there, and no one wants either him or his clones because he's a terrible person
Well, it does have something to do with him in the sense that it's men like him inspiring the movement in the first place.
I'm happy with my healthy relationship, but if I were still in the single boat, I'd be walking away from the mess that far too many men are as well.
For me, it’s not even intentional to pull away from men. I’m not hurt or afraid or heartbroken. Just… unimpressed. The time spent looking for a keeper isn’t worth it, not if it means repeatedly interacting with emotionally immature, irresponsible, or angry guys up close. I can confidently and intentionally charm the teeth out of people at work or at parties, but when was the last time a man charmed or impressed me? Nah. I have better things to do.
Ok! I immediately fell for my husband bc he was charming and corny! I was thinking the other day about how men do not seduce or romance anymore. I love porn but I think we created a generation of lazy men who don’t know how to lay pipe let alone charm a woman.
My dad said there is no love without admiration, I never felt that deep admiration for any guy I met, and I tried to date but it just doesn't happen
@sapientmay6269 I hope you can find someone who is on your level. Noone says you have to date so no need to complain. But I suppose it's an ugly truth, you needed to say it. I get it. I hope that person finds you. You've clearly worked on yourself (or are just naturally charismatic) and you deserve someone on the same level and who can keep up
@@gaia7240that's fine ig. Find a field you respect and join it. You'll find someone there. Especially in volunteering maybe idk
I realized I was the happiest when I wasn't in a relationship. Yes there are great memories and some were good guys but they wanted a subservient partner and that is not me. The last 8 years of my life have been the calmest and happiest. Even if I met someone who charmed and impressed me I would walk away
Dude is the “i want what i want, when i want it” Crowd. Don’t get drunk with him at parties, even if he doesn’t grape you, he will be psychologically and emotionally abusive. Just sayin.
He doesn’t seem like he'd be fun at parties anyway. I'd imagine he doesn’t get invited to many.
Yeah the person who currently feels disrespected by my boundaries and the fact that I didn't want to be more than friends used to love using the catch phrase, "I do what I want."
He was even bold enough to cuss out a police officer (he claims...) for giving him a citation for a rolling stop.
Apparently it wasn't one of his "cop buddies" who is on the take.
This is how their entitlement works.
They get some "friends in high places" and start to think themselves invincible and above the law.
I Walk With Source.
The only "friend" I have is in the Highest Place of All.
I think Grandpa is severely overestimating how attractive he is to non-4B women.
😅😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
For realz, I am 37 and I still would NEVER even entertain the thought. And he thinks a 20something will waste her time even looking towards his direction?! Delulu 😂
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I don't think he is attractive to men either. 😱😆
They're view-baiting. If it was serious then he only dates women a breath over legal who don't know better and dumps them at 15.
As a woman with a very low body count and no kids, I absolutely do not even look at any man who thinks it's ok to disrespect any of my sister friends. No thanks to this nonsense. I'm good bruh🙌
This, too! ❤❤❤
No woman should even have to consider her "body count"... that is so degrading. That is dreamed up by these red pilled men.
This and also I usually don’t wanna shame men or women for their lifestyles. But atp because of the way men speak about women in general, I don’t feel bad for saying that I don’t want a used up/passed around dildo
SAME on all of that!
Yes, men who want to lift you up by putting other women down are a red flag.
Most of the women talking about 4B aren’t even old or middle aged, it’s mostly young 20 something year old women who are unimpressed with the dating market and choosing not to buy. The only way that minding your own business can be seen as an act of disrespect is if you think you’re the main character and are trying to force yourself into someone’s life.
Exactly, it’s the same as MGTOW.
@Relyt345 Funny how you MGTOW guys always have to announce yourselves to women, as if you expect us to plead with you to change your mind. Ain't happening, dude. You want to go your own way, go. We don't care. Go your own way tf away from us. And then keep going.
My niece is 16 and already "opting out". I don't even think she knows about 4b (we're in Europe) but her other aunt works with battered women, so...
I myself decided I wouldn't get married at age of 10, and stay childless at age of 17. I'm not against relationships, I'm on my 2nd wonderful unicorn guy right now (my 1st partner of 17 years died in 2020). I love being in a relationship, but I'd rather be alone than settle with someone who doesn't treat me right
@@Relyt345 MGTOW has no effect tho nobody cares
Exactly I've been 4b since I was 18 now I'm 23 and I'm still a virgin and childless. I'm simply not impressed by the men I'm around. I do not hate men. If I met a guy I actually liked I would change! But I will not settle for someone like this.
It is a win for women.
No more sacrificing more family, men and children.
No more domestic slavery.
They said choose better. So we are.
you view being a wife and mother as domestic slavery? i'd feel sorry for you if you weren't so self righteous
Splendid, I guess you now understand what men have been doing for the last decade!
Men have been doing something for the last decade?
@@eskarina1000
Acclimatizing to how elusive authentic reciprocity is and how to defend against that.
The compulsion of making sure the other is safe and happy is often a little more lopsided than is worth engaging with and it has become pretty easy to spot.
I estimate that a collective grasp of the issue began gaining social traction about a decade ago.
@@eskarina1000 Men were dying on the beaches of Normandy while the women were safe at home.
This guy shows clearly, that he doesn t believe in consent. How can saying no to dating, s...x, giving birth and marriage be disrespectful? It is just a dicision they make for their own bodies and lifes
Lives.
He thinks it's disrespectful because it's not centering the needs and desires of *men*. How dare women selfishly put themselves first!
Who is it disrespecting?
Don't you know it's misandry to not live your life catering to men?!?!?! 😂
Lives, thank you. Can I help you with your German now? 😉@@lbarnx
I wouldn’t consider myself a member of the 4B movement but I do consider myself to the girlies who are opting out. The entitlement is CRAZY!!!! Feeling disrespected because a group of people are exercising their autonomy is CRAZY!!! As a girlie who isn’t opting out of dating and relationships men like this are not who I’d go for.
It seems that now with the red pill logic - woman doesn’t want to date a man and it’s disrespect. Man doesn’t want to date a woman and it’s having standards.
And then they cry about how they’re punished for having standards lol.
All these people are just chronically online. Nobody cares this much about other people dating or not in real life. It’s just people making their own choices about what’s best for them - everyone is doing this too not just women. But these guys who learn about women from other men online are just the loudest of the bunch, always have weird ideas about how people and the world work, and make everyone else put off as a result. They forget that women are also online and can see what they’re saying.
He thinks everyone dreams of his ashy stuff
You’re spot on, and totally right.
Just as long as you and the people that liked your comment have no issue with MGTOW
@Relyt345 no issue with MGTOW if they'd really GTOW, but from what I've seen of them, they still want to pester an manipulate women for sex, they don't want to leave women alone.
Firstly, Women are not like men. Women don't see men as creatures who are inherently born to serve women and therefore any exercise of their freedom of anatomy is seen as an insult or disrespect to women.
Secondly, why I suggest that if you're really interested in this topic to start studying it more and hopefully you'll see the clear difference between these two movements and the difference between men and women in general.
When women get disappointed in men after being abused and used by them for so long, they create a movement and avoid men all together.
Men, on the other hand, when they no longer can get what they want from women which usually ends up revealing their desires for going back to traditional roles and women being subservient to them. As God intended, they create a movement to go their own way. But in reality, they stay obsessed with women. Members of this movement create online echo chambers where they bond with other men over their hatred for women and share their violent fantasies against women. You can see the results on the news everyday. Take the recent hate crime on New York against women for example. You don't see women walking around punching men because they hate them. These two are in no way similar and no woman will ever get upset or feel disrespected if men say they no longer want to associate themselves with women. In fact, we are very happy.
As a divorced mother, I used dating apps for a few years. It was a disaster. Insults left and right, because of my age, because of my status, because of my looks, because of my hobbies (I'm a film buff and a gamer). I finally decided I want absolutely nothing with heterosexual men. My only male friend happens to be gay. I hope to teach my son to consider women as fellow human beings, not prey, not objects, just people to get to know and enjoy their company if they're worth it.
My mind is focused on solutions and I kept thinking we should make a dating site whereby people are vetted for the criteria that truly matters... What a change that would be...! Imagine all of us being inclusive, compassionate and encouraging towards otherness, no religious bigotry, manageable levels of emotional immaturity, aka, I won't try to destroy you because you, politely, rejected my advances, and you won't do the same if I rejected you, either, no calling each other names, and all the rest we bring up in here. Bliss. I think we'd all feel safe and free, for a change. ❤
Wait, so you would game with a man, already have Lego in the house and enjoy a good movie? Huh, that sounds great.
Well, you know, filming and gaming? How dare you? Women don't know how to do that! If you want to attract a man you need to be more "feminine"! 😉
Ehh, judging the world by the experience on dating apps is misguided imho. Those kind of people would match you only to insult you, wpuld go out of their way just to ruin someone's day, that's why there were so many of them. Good men who just weren't interested weren't matching you to say "hey, awesome that you play games and love movies but I'm not looking for someone with a child" or "you look great and it's admirable that you're a single mother but you're a bit too old for me since I'm only 20" or "I'd love to be a father and I couldn't habe my own kids so the fact you have one is a plus for me, but all my hobbies are outdoors, I'm really looking for someone with a passion for sports". They wouldn't waste their and your time. Only the nasty kind is matching in such circumstances.
@@tymondabrowski12 That's a lot of time that they are using in zero positive ways. Do those men think that being actively ugly on dating apps or social media will benefit them in some way? Because I'm not seeing it.
Black Santa: "Women should close their legs and stop having children with dusties."
Women: "Alrighty then, 4B it is."
Black Santa: "Nooo! Not like that!!!"
Black Santa didn't realise he is the dusty
Black santa: 🎅🏿 NOOO HOHOHO 😢😢🙍🏿♂️
Sexual liberty= slut
Abstinence= hating men
Being an redpill grifter is so fucking easy, the flowcharts all set up to follow.
He wants to behave dusty' like but then get a male -Karen- knows-the-manager exception
Thank you for being on RUclips. We need more people like you instead of these toxic men
Me setting boundaries isn't me disrespecting men. Me respecting myself and my body enough not to give to disrespectful men isn't me disrespecting men. Waiting for a man who doesn't hate me or disrespect me ISN'T ME DISRESPECTING MEN.
If these males would grow up and become actual men, we would have no problem with showing them the respect they deserve.
I'm not part of any type of "movement" and I do not need anyone else to tell me where my boundaries lie or where they should lie.
The problem these males are having is that they are not desirable to women and they blame women for that rather than looking at themselves and fixing what makes them so undesirable.
Thank you for calling it out!
Namaste 💜🙏🏽🕊
It is insane the amount of time & energy some men will put into being stubborn & NOT growing & evolving as a basic human….when it would take 1/4 of the effort to seek therapy and gain emotional intelligence & they would end up so much happier 🤦🏻♀️
THANK YOU that’s exactly what I was thinking
Stubborn for exercising a choice or preference?
We have had "Men need fixing" for at least four decades and there is often no end to the demands.
Find a genuinely "emotionally intelligent man" and he will likely keep you at arms length and you have yet to discover why that is.
I gave up. Too many rude disrespectful men who didn't care about me as a person but only saw me as prey, or men who expect me to be their mother and their therapist.
If I meet a guy who is both respectful and a functioning adult and he's interested I'll give him a chance. But I'm not looking any more. And until then, nope!
But honestly, since I'm bi, I'm more likely to find a good woman to be with.
Man, so many of my female friends say they are tired of being a guys on call therapist all of the time.
As a 28-year-old woman who has never dated or been intimate, I’m choosing to prioritize myself. Men have been acting too entitled and rude lately, with shallow and disrespectful mindsets. I’ve decided to invest my time, energy, money, love, and care into my own growth. Kindly consider adopting a dog-they are far more affectionate and loyal than men.
You go girl. You are exactly where you need to be. I am proud of you. Dogs are better than husbands. I am 63 and I believe you! Love yourself lady and that will be all you need.
Nancyr and i just finished saying that one of my favorite authors said, my 3rd husband will be a 🐶 dog and yes, they’re far more loyal too. i had to teach my ex a few good lessons and now we’re good friends and we both enjoy our daughter who is 30
he was loyal and always at home, unlike my babysitter i wished he would get the F out sometimes, instead of sitting in front of the TV, book on his lap, headphones on and if you asked him something, it was WHAT!!! at the end of nursing school, it was diploma in one hand and divorce papers in the other
How can 4B be disrespectful to men? Y'all've been telling us to "choose better" for years & we've simply taken that advice.
Now we're choosing to invest our time, energy, money, love & other resources into ourselves.
Bc we dont let them use our body's anymore🤔🤪🤪
Because they interpret our freedom and independence as an afront to their fantasy of enslavement. The slave owner's reaction was exactly the same after slaves were freed.
The slave owners said they couldn't understand why slaves wanted freedom when the slave owners "provided" for them and gave them a "home", sound familiar ladies?
The slave owners were angry that "disrespectful" slaves were choosing to leave after they were free to leave.
Men treat women as slaves.
But, we are respecting that they dont want to support us gold diggers
@@obscurum6 Gerda Lerner's book the Creation of Patriarchy talks about how chattel slavery was possible because men enslaved their own women first
They didn't actually mean "better", they meant "them"
There's something really, really disgusting in what that guy is saying. His stance is that deciding not to date, marry, have sex or babies is disrespectful to men. I'd like to know how. If a person decides they don't want to engage in any of those behaviors, it's their choice. It's not as if they are saying that men won't be allowed to date, marry, have sex and babies; any man who chooses to engage in any of those activities still has the power to do so with any other person who is willing. What this guys words and attitude smack of is a sense of entitlement. He's implying men are entitled to all of those things and women deciding they don't want to is depriving men of something they're entitled to.
And they can't figure out why any woman would be a part of something like the 4B movement, or simply choose to be single. 🙄
❤❤❤
He thinks it’s his right to have a woman, like she shouldn’t be the one to decide about that also
He thinks it's disrespectful because it's not centering the needs of men. That's it in a nutshell.
But if a man doesn't want to get married because he gets "screwed over in divorce" 🙄, you can bet your a55 he is 100% supportive. No disrespect there!
@@xrc7445You’re new here, aren’t you? 😂
I honestly wouldn't have a problem with the MGTOW movement if it were simply about men going "you know what? I'm done dating. This is exhausting. I can live an entirely fulfilling life without a partner, and I reject any societal pressure to date."
But because it is often a movement about being cruel to women in some of the most hateful ways, it's genuinely frightening.
That's the difference: MGTOW is cruelty to women, 4B is freedom from their cruelty without being cruel back
Agreed. If MGTOW was actually full of men going *their own way*, away from us, not involving us, that would be cool. I'd be all right with that. Enjoy your manly man stuff and live your life. Most women just don't want to live in a culture where we are treated as objects for men to pursue and attain. Wishing all those dudes peace and mental health care.
Fallacy on the Play: Straw Man, wherein a false position is attributed to the opposing view, because it's easier to counter. You've fraudulently conflated misogyny with indifference.
@@theunaccompaniedsenior mistreating women is not indifference dummy
Your ignorance is genuinely frightening.
Never understood age shaming women? SIR WE ALL HAVE TO AGE 💀
Not me
@@IsaiahBuchanan175😂😂😂😂 draconian
Men who want demure followers for a mate don't take to experince, rounded characters, and informed opinions
That does not equal getting worse thou XD
it is just a number when it comes to your being
I am over 30 and still feels and looks like a 25 years old(no illnesses, ect.) so i am good thank you
@@cosmicreef5858 I'm over 50 and still feel 30+ emotionally, just shit creaks now when I get in and out of beds, chairs and the floor.
As a woman younger than 25 with a body count of 0 and no kids...I don't want y'all either
Ikr
Lmao fr. It's funny how it goes full circle. How if you have zero body count suddly youre a "ugly old crone" archetype... these types of men won't let you win haha.
@@g3n0sc1d3 Oh that's just sexism, which dictates that women are at no point humans and acceptable.
Aka not even the most fitting woman for this man will at any point be "correct" Because at no point is any of this about women. It's all about such sexistic men and sexistic men's brain farts.
Their standard is: Be my perfect, unlimited, infinite object to use and discard and pick back up eventually. And no human can stop being human to such degree on the long run. 🤡
@@g3n0sc1d3
...?
Men do have preferences, I know it sucks but they do, just like women have preferences.
Every now and again you will see a couple who do nothing but laugh at each others difference's and their own weaknesses... I guess they like each other more than the differences gets on their nerves.
How do you "win"...
Its hard but not the least bit complicated!
@@pimplequeen2sexism isn't preferences and body count is a construct entirely built to shame women. History books are fun.
Black Santa here should be focusing on reading stories for the grandkids, not trying to date virgins under 30, that's just creepy.
NOPE, keep that away from grandkids TYVM.
@@heidim7732wait this is a really good point yikes 😬
😂😂😂😂😂 gross
But can he read, above the third grade level?
Black Santa 😂😂😂😂 he wishes
He thinks it’s disrespectful because he thinks he’s entitled to women and their bodies.
He see this as a personal attack although has nothing to with him.
I don't think that's what he is pushing at, pretty sure he is explaining why many men gave up on women many years ago.
@@pimplequeen2 so why is it a problem when women give up on men?
@@pietrofattorello
Who said it was?
@@pimplequeen2 the guy in the video. he finds women giving up on men 'disrespectful'
@@pietrofattorello
Touché
As a married woman, I'm one and done.
If something happens between my husband and I, I will never date or marry again.
You and me both.
Yep. ❤ And your comment just made me realise something. That lately I've got this not even really expressed intention to settle down because it feels pointless, all this wander and search. I want to stop searching. As a rule, no one falls in love and goes into a romantic relationship thinking that it's for a limited period only. I mean I hope not, that person is going to hold back.
Same here.
Same, my god these men are tiring.
Yep. Married 25 years to one man. No way I'd marry again if something happened.
Apparently some men have no clue about personal accountability. Thanks for this content Will.❤
As a women under 30, with no kid and a low body count. I can honestly say mcbeardy hear couldn’t be more repulsive to me if he tried x
😂
I'm in my sixties and I wouldn't want to be close to that...I can't find a name... 👻?
@@Lyrielonwind I believe the phrase you're looking for is “mall Santa from hell”.
@@BinaBecker
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’m confused how he’s making the claim that a movement that started in South Korea are women over 30, unmarried, single mothers with high body counts.
He basically is just saying he has no clue about cultural differences and gender dynamics within those different cultures.
It’s not even really a movement. It’s just women making choices for themselves lol. Women who thought this always existed, he just never encountered it because women don’t have to disclose this info and they wouldn’t be interested in dating him. And gee I wonder why women wouldn’t want to date his arrogant, uncultured self lol.
They want women with low body counts, but when we say we aren’t sleeping with them, they get mad? What? 😂
Their feelings don’t care about facts. lol
The system is fraudelent lmao
My favorite is the guys who call you a slut after you reject them. 🙄 #makeitmakesense
Yeaaaah never understood that one 😅
Just a walking contradiction 🙄
👋🏼 woman here 😊
Currently under 30, low body count, no kids in tow, and I'm still not checking for prison Santa over here. Couldn't be any less attracted to him even if I tried.
#4B (until the foreseeable future)
Many men have been basically 4B for a long time and seem to be resolute, there does not seem to be much "until the foreseeable future" in their position.
The "new women" has captured the current zeitgeist and even if the tide has turned, I doubt things will improve for a couple of decades.
@@pimplequeen2
Those men have been involuntary celibate and violent about it, not #4B.
Let me tell old “white beard” something: I am eligible to collect my retirement from my job. BUT guess what? I went 4B in the early 1990s. No kids. And “low” so-called “body count.”
I ✌🏼’d out on dating and dealing with men 3 decades ago mr white-beard!
🙄
I am sure you are so happy. Congrats. No one needs the male BS. We just don't deserve it.
That old man just gave women another reason to avoid him like the plague.
Respect is earned, consent is earned. Grandpa isn't entitled to either.
I am not sure he is looking, he looks to be one of those who went the male version of "4B" a long time ago.
You girls seem to be a decade late in grasping that many men have abandoned the modern women.
@@pimplequeen2 Not at all. It is that very abandonment that is the source of this. And why should you care, self-affirming free spirit that you are?
@@bob7975
...?
The male psyche has been vilified, rejected and abandoned in ever increasing quantities for at least two decades which is unpleasant but hey-ho, free choice and all that jazz.
In a self defense, males have been acclimatizing and adapting over the last decade to a more solitary existence in response.
The cows are coming home and the piper must be paid :)
After all, what does a typical modern woman offer to a man that trumps being single?
@@bob7975
The male psyche has been vilified, rejected and abandoned in ever increasing quantities for at least two decades which is unpleasant but hey-ho, free choice and all that jazz.
In a self defense, we have been acclimatizing and adapting over the last decade to a more solitary existence in response.
The cows are coming home and the piper must be paid :)
After all, what does a typical modern woman offer to a man that beats being single?
@@bob7975
...?
The male psyche has been vilified, rejected and abandoned in ever increasing quantities for at least two decades which is unpleasant but hey-ho, free choice and all that jazz.
In a self defense, males have been acclimatizing and adapting over the last decade to a more solitary existence in response.
After all, what does a typical modern woman offer to a man that trumps being single?
Because they interpret our freedom and independence as an afront to their fantasy of enslavement. The slave owner's reaction was exactly the same after slaves were freed.
The slave owners said they couldn't understand why slaves wanted freedom when the slave owners "provided" for them and gave them a "home", sound familiar ladies?
The slave owners were angry that "disrespectful" slaves were choosing to leave after they were free to leave.
Men treat women as slaves.
Most women don't want to hear the truth. Heterosexual relationship is based on slavery
This is so true and they just don't see it. They feel so entitled, they feel Like we have the better Life than them, at least that is what they say ('you stay with the Kids, you do Not need to work' I AM WORKING, I AM DOING EVERYTHING YOU DO NOT DO!). But they act different than what they say because they Take all the freedom they want in this world and we have invisible ties around us (Kids!!!! Money). So yeah, If I could Go Back, I would choose 4B too. No Man, No Kids Just WHAT I WANT TO DO
I'm a married old lady. I am finding that the older I get, the less appealing men are to me. I used to love men. Decades of dealing with them have really opened my eyes. If I end up single, I would never date. It's all so overrated.
I'm a middle-aged single woman who couldn't agree more. It's hell at times.
Totally agree, I also wouldn’t put my son in danger of having a step father. I’ll ask my brother to take over fatherly duties
I'm 39 and single. I'm done for good.
I feel like half of women’s circles are just women our age trying to warn young women of these patterns so they don’t fall into it.
I'm in my 20 and they already lost the appeal for me 😂, I swear I try to like them but I only see big babies, I don't hate them for that but I wouldn't sleep with that 😅
Not having sex is the default. Not dating or marrying is the default. Not having children... is the default.
It's just a choice not made. There is no stance other than, "I'm good."
You’re speaking logically, and your hair looks awesome.
I was thinking the same thing, he looks so good with his hair like that. 😄 I need more men like him in my life. 💜
There are waaayy, too many of mcbeardy there around me. I should settle for guys like him with that old beard? 🤢🤮 Nah, I'm good.
Same 😂 I was thinking "He is SO right and also, look at his hair looking so healthy" 😅
You made an excellent point, among many other excellent points. That if the majority of women's interactions with men were positive, they wouldn't need to take such drastic steps for their own safety and sanity.
I have wonderful men in my life, but the majority of interactions that I have with men are not positive. The majority of my dating experiences have been nightmarish. A large percentage of my friendships with men have been filled with issues. So I completely understand when women just want to separate themselves from men in general. And it's not all men. Not at all. It's unhealthy men. They're just happens to be a very large percentage of unhealthy men that make up the whole.
And not like there's a tattoo on their foreheads to mark the ones to avoid. Nope. Wmn are locked in a room w/100 snakes, 10 of which are venomous & they all look the same
Wmn are locked in a room w/100 🐍, 10 of which are mambas, and they all look the same
@@fantym1633 exactly 👍
Yeah I tried dating... he tried to control me. I left. I never gave him what he wanted. Never have sex early on. Never. Get to know their attitudes first.
@@fantym1633
Its similar for men only 80 are mambas and 20 are marriage material.
As a woman "of a certain age," all I can see when I come across some dude like the gray bearded guy on RUclips is a toddler pitching a hissy fit.
Same 🤣❤️
@@fullmooneve1651 Old ladies in the house!!!! I want to go for drink with all of you.
And how much would we laugh at a man like this approaching us with his nonsense?! 😂 And most of the men I know would be like WTF??!! at this self-centered garbage from this guy!!
Stay cool, chicas. ❤
Same here. 😂
It's the new MAGA masculinity.
todlers are not ps*chos
There is an old saying, “show contempt for that wich you can not have but want most dearly.”
And an even older one: Sour Grapes!
Jealousy breeds contempt.
The fox and the sour grapes is an Aesop fable.
Maybe if he bought a box of "Just for Men" and worked on his personality a little...
I don’t consider a disrespectful to anyone to choose my own path and do what I wanna do with my own life
How in the world is it disrespectful to some random man that I don’t even know
Oh, cause you know, people with narcissistic behaviour patterns are of the delusion that it's everyone's job to be at their disposal and systemic sexism (same with any other form of systemic discrimination) tags who is the most acceptable to target, without fearing societal consequences.
Since I was a child I wanted to have a family and raise children. 20 years of being a grown up woman and I've never met a man who actually wants to be an EQUAL PARTNER. Now I'm grateful I didn't end up raising any of those men's progeny. I can't imagine taking care of a grown man the way my friends do either. I'm continuously shocked by what absolute toddlers they can be. In every way imaginable. Stomping around making everyone's lives miserable, don't anger the king baby. It's wild lol. Thank you for being a breath of fresh air and reminding us men like you do exist. But still, 4B for life 😁
same as you! It's so rare that I feel impressed... sometimes they say that I have too many standards but they fail to see that I apply those standard for myself too, I won't settle for less!
1:30 in the middle ages there were communities of secular (non nun) women, some were widows, some were women who just never married. We need to bring this back.
I agree, let's have women living in she sheds. I like your pfp by the way!
Don't let us get in your way :)
@@pimplequeen2 They won't.
@@bob7975
Looking forward to it :)
It would make an excellent study of how women juggle infrastructure... Social and economic.
They were also called spinsters.
The whole high body count thing-don’t some men also have high body counts? Who cares? Any person’s body count is no one else’s business. With men, is it their fear of being sexually compared unfavorably with other men? Oh no, the horror and fear of women with experience who have learned what they want!
I experienced smth that was absolutely unpleasant and escalated to things that I never want to experience again - men with multiple hidden relationships, in various stages of consumption. You have no idea of the existence of these women or men, if you're a man, but they know about you and under aliases they're bullying and antagonising you online. Never in my life have I thought I'm going to be in a terrible mess like that. Not one, not two, but several women with whom he was entangled or led them on, who thought I was a threat and felt entitled to start conflict. In light of this experience, his body count only counts if he hadn't finished his past relationships and those ex partners think they can have a say in his life. Justifiably so.
@@darcyroycethats horrible. So sorry
They want to sleep around and have a young virgin who takes care of them as a price when they get older and their sausage doesn't work anymore.
That fragile male ego!
Fr 😂😂. I know what i want in the bed thanks to some experiences i had casually and serious ones. Males are pathetic and miserable. Plus they are 🤢 in bed 😂😂
In 2000, at the age of 37, I opted out of dealing with men. I'm a Christian and handed the whole relationship and marriage thing over to God. Once that was done, I felt relief. I was hurt by two Christian men that year and decided I was just rubbish at finding a good relationship. Once I stopped looking, and ignoring Christians who told me it was my duty to marry and pop out babies, life was so much easier and enjoyable. I can honestly say that the only time I wish I had a partner is when my back needs scratching or I can't decide what to eat for dinner. I like men, I know many lovely ones, but I've never met one I couldn't live without.
Not interested anymore. 47 years married. 2 kids. 8 grandkids. DONE.
Choosing the BEAR 🐨🐻😂🎉❤
Simple counter argument. If men don't mind the 4b movement and consider it a win then why create a video complaining about it and why nit pick about whether it's respecting dudes if the women are literly leaving ya'll alone?!?!? Make it make sense.
Well, women that don’t want any man on the planet removing themselves from the dating pool is a win in the sense that it wastes less of everyone’s time, but a loss in that a bunch of women have expectations so high that there’s no person throughout time and history that they could ever be happy with. This isn’t what I’d wish for anyone I care about or love.
Is the lack of being impressed because no men are impressive? (definitely not the case)
Or is something causing women to develop an inability to value or love any man at all?
Theres something big time wrong when people expect the world from someone but also expect nothing of themselves.
Want to have their flaws overlooked yet accept none in a partner.
When people can’t love or appreciate their equivalent of the opposite (or same) gender.
Mutual respect isnt a high expectation. They are tired of being harrassed. @Relyt345
@@Relyt345We do not want you. Men are desperate and EASY! Getting a man is not a win and your little rambling diatribe was utter nonsense. Grow up, leave us alone and learn to validate yourself on your own-outside of women and sex. You have a hand I assume? USE IT🤡
@@Relyt345 If it's a win you still shouldn't have to make a video complaining about it.
i got 25 and i’m celibacy
best thing
womans are SACRED
Amen!
I'll go a step further here "❣️Feminists are sacred ❣️"
I don't give a damn about gender in this context. After all, I don't grant mercy to women who are sexists either 💅.
Yes we are and make sure everyone treats you like you are sacred. You are.
Your commentary is so refreshing to me especially in the wake of America voting for a rapist rather than a competent woman. I subscribed to your channel ❤
Ugh. It’s like watching a homeless man strut around a Lamborghini dealership ranting about why he wouldn’t buy this or that, when he doesn’t even have $ for the vending machine in the lobby.
Why would any women choose to be with a man who doesn't even genuinely like women? Better to be single than being alone together. Even when being single sucks because at least you can treat yourself with human dignity and respect and create a family of friends who genuinely cares .
As a 27 year old virgin who is roughly a "7-8/10" and only wanted to give that part of myself to someone I can see myself marrying (and hopefully having kids with!), I am now told I am a "red flag" for my non-existent body count, that I'm immature and undesirable because men around my age want "women with experience".
At this point, the 4b movement makes total sense. Because these men clearly don't actually care what our state is as a woman - they'll blame us and demean us either way. So any women with high body counts who might read this, I can say from experience you have NO LESS value than I do. It's just low value men taking the easiest path of trying to devalue us to *their* level.
Know your worth, sisters! Live life for you! ❤
Never knew of 4Bs, but kinda doing it. At this point I don't want any ties to a man that can be permanent in any way unless it's both our choice, so I have no interest in eitger marriage, that might lead to alimony and other issues, living with a man, for the same reasons, and having children. It is what it is.
I might date, eventually, but it will take time and a lot of trust to develop anything further. The amount of trust I need nowadays to have s*x with someone is over the top, but again, it is what it is. If I'm in this position now, is only because things have happened to make me feel this way. So I don't think I owe any man anything at this point. I don't have to marry or have children, so I'm not giving in to that level of entitlement. How can you consider disrespectful something that is basically born out of self preservation after being dealt with severe trauma and disrespect by men?
Give me a break...
That's just it…they don't want us living and thriving. Much less actually happy.
As a female who was sexually abused by my own father from the age of 5 years old, I ran away and overcame that while putting myself through school and working part was sexually assaulted by my manager. I decided to change my life and do some traveling and meet and married am from another country. I was married to him for 20 years and we had one child then while I was in the hospital having surgery he cheated on me and got the other female pregnant and lied to me about it for many years and I found out by accident. I have been single ever since then.
If men don't like how we see them they need to change their poor behavior and call other men out on there's.
Women give up on men forever for good reasons. No one wants to be hurt or worse over and over again.
I am so sorry for you. You are right, we do not want to be hurt at all. Love yourself dear lady you have been through way too much. Love yourself because you survived all that. You are amazing.
Ironic thought….. I don’t have sex with everyone I respect, if I did you would say I have I high body count and refuse to respect me, and yet you accuse me of disrespecting you by not having sex with you…… sounding a little delulu my dude.
The sad thing is that you are free to not date someone with "high body count" (hate this term) but why being disrespectful? They really can't help themselves
@@gaia7240 The even sadder thing is they still often go out of their way to sleep with the "high body counts," even while they are in relationships with the low body count women. They do not respect anyone on either side. It's really a lose/lose situation, which is why I don't blame other women for opting out.
@@inactiveaccount6106 this is so true, because they want everything
"I had no idea there were so many men out there that were so stubborn, so reluctant to look within" - that's literally 100% of the problem, and I'm glad you see it now too. I hope you can help other men see it, because one of the worst feelings about being a woman is thinking you have a friend in someone only for them to show how little they actually care about your experiences and don't believe what you're living day in and day out. It's certainly 'not all men', but it's enough that even engaging with any men is potentially exhausting and frustrating to the point where it's easier to just avoid them altogether and not roll the dice.
frustration that's the point... I am certain that there are amazing men out there but the ratio todd/amazing men is too depressing!
I am so glad that "the wall" and "body count" and "the manosphere" were not a thing when I was dating. Truth be known, I'm really glad that I'm 65 and beyond all this nonsense. Social media has not been a net positive for society.
I disagree. Social media is just exposing what has already been there. I'd much rather be aware than blindly ignorant.
@@herpderpy9445 True but the language around it wasn't so out there. I always considered it a private matter. What business is it of anyone's?
@@herpderpy9445 there are men who feel exactly the same way and say exactly the same thing.
Yes, you are blessed, anyone born on baby boomer generation had the only generation on all humanity in which all odds werent stacked against them
@@WhatIsYourPurposeOfLife I think you might be right about that
“Women over thirty have hit the wall.”
Okay Saruman you’ve had a wee too much pipe weed.
What makes me laugh is men have their own wall at 30. Their sperm starts to deteriorate. As for looks, they think they all age well....🙄 eh. Nope. Then it's 'i have resources' aka money, as if women at 30 haven't had a job or anything and make their own or own their own stuff.
or shots
I got in an argument on Reddit with a few people over a post where a woman wasn’t able to take birth control. She asked her husband to get a vasectomy after an incident where the condom broke but he didn’t tell her right away (which is already fucked up). So the crux of the post was: she refused to have sex until he got a vasectomy.
THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMENTS ANGRY AT HER WAS INSANE.
“She’s punishing him”
How is she punishing him?
“She’s not having sex with him when he want”
Ok? So she owes him sex?
“No”
Well how is she punishing him?
And it went round and round.
Ok tbh my first instinct was to be angry because why not judt break up?? That makes more sense. She doesnt owe him sx and he doesnt owe her a permanent change to his body. If she cant take birth control she should find someone who can get a vasectomy. Or just use cndms. Woman's body woman's choice. Why is it not the same for men? I understand shes in a tough spot of course but better than manipulating a guy into a relarionship then telling him.
@leafy
Why the automatic assumption she had to have manipulated him into marrying her?
She very well might have been a purity culture girl & not known she was unable to tolerate BCP
Condom usage has an 85% failure rate @ prevention of pregnancy.
@@fantym1633 that seems a bit high, where is your data from?
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 you don’t know the other complexities. It might end up in divorce, but marriage isn’t entirely about sex.
At 41 I went through an unexpected divorce (wife cheated on me but story is much more nuanced than that, suffice to say I needed therapy to overcome trauma from it and I'm in a MUCH better headspace now) and when I finally decided that I was ready to rejoin the dating field.... Holy hell the stories I heard from the women I would go on dates with. Things I would do, just because they seemed like the logical or appropriate thing to do, like opening doors, asking about hobbies and showing interest in their lives, not attempting to grope them, as well as other basic human decency and interactions got me so many compliments. Maybe it's just my age group (although I suspect it isn't) but the bar is so incredibly low that I felt like Don Juan but I really wasn't doing anything special or unique. I was looking for a partner, someone to challenge me and share in the adventures of life (I have found such a person and they are AMAZING!). So yeah, I was more interested in getting to know someone, making sure we had shared values and potentially overlapping interests. Things that would be foundational to a long and rewarding relationship.
HOWEVER, I would hear stories of many men that would be rude. Insist on sex on the first date. Basically demand oral sex. Have horrible hygiene. Act essentially like overgrown man children. So while I was just trying to be a gentleman the way my father had taught me, I was seen as a unicorn compared to the cesspool that was the men in the dating scene.
So is it like this everywhere? Is it just my age range? (Canadian living in southwestern Ontario). If so, yeah. I totally get why women would just give up on dating. Why wouldn't they? Holy hell the horror stories I heard.
I live in Southwestern ontario too. It must be our water. I had many horrible experiences and a friend of mine was locked in her date's bedroom without shoes and he smashed all the windows so she couldn't move without cutting her feet. I could share many stories, but men have just gotten horrible. I am sorry sir, I am sure you are a fine gentlemen but the majority of men are in need of personal growth, therapy, and just classes to show them how to be human beings. It must be the water here. I am glad we both found partners sir. Treasure her. Mine treasures me like I am a winning lotto ticket, which I am. :)
@@AWalkWithWhizzy Happy to hear this. And I 1000% do. She is truly amazing and I definitely feel like I've won the lottery. Without therapy though, I would not have been in the proper headspace to the kind of partner that she deserves though. And I sincerely hope you continue to be treated like the winning lottery ticket that you are. I love hear stories like that. Good to create hope in this crazy world
Go glad you worked through your trauma, sir, and found a great partner! I am older than you, and alas, I understand why you were treated like a precious unicorn. So many guys with substance issues (I wish them well, but don't want to be their sponsor-), control issues, lack of self-awareness. I delight in my male friendships, but not doing the romance thing, maybe ever again. Wishing you and your sweetheart a long and joyful journey!😊
I know this runs counter to a lot of stereotypes but I had much better luck in the Balkans than I ever have in the US. Met lots of men who didn't say weird sexual shit and instead would just invite me to a date at a nice spot and hold hands or something. Maybe the luck of the draw but it was pretty wholesome to go on dates with people who just wanted to have fun and flirt and didn't feel the need to insult me. Crazy.
I did online dating for 3 years - married men taking me to dinner in an 'out of the way' restaurant, man I dated twice asked me to make a sex tape, one guy who was a doctor shoved his STD report across the table only 5 minutes in, being nasty to the waitstaff (don't be hateful to the people working hard and making our food), so many crazy stories I could share
Black Santa up there is why we choose the bear.🤗❤️🐝
Lysistrata had a fucking point.
Yes, she certainly did. As the prediction for 2030 (45% wmn being single/childfree) gets closer to becoming the new reality, I strongly suspect the same response from those in power
@@fantym1633It's already going down. Birthrates are plummeting worldwide. Some of them are lower than they've ever been in all of recorded history.
I literally CTRL-F searched this name. You did me proud.
It's the only logical response in a country where an accidental pregnancy not only derails your life but may end it.
The Ancient Greeks knew this. That play is a comedy, but the mere fact that a story like this had such traction in a patriarchal society like Ancient Greece tells us something. Nothing new under the sun.
Holy crap i was a part of the 4B movement before i knew what it was 😮
My reasons: 1. i have my own issues and survival i have to deal with. One of them being im disabled and physically and mentally unfit to care for a child, let alone be in a relationship with especially men or anyone else.
2. 1 have reproductive and other medical health issues that would make it impossible and endanger myself and my child if i were to breed.
3 i am financially barely able to care for myself.
4. im focused on my own wellness and recovery.
To the incell with the beard. The 4B movement cannot be disrespectful towards men as at its core is NOT about them. In fact, some men have taken this route as well, its just that its more focused on women because the governments in a few countries wants to own our uterus and thinks they can.
I love when they say we hit the wall at 30, they hit it at 14
They hit it the day they were born.
Come one, that's a bit much. It's 15
You really should have thought this comment through better.
I'm 4B for myself, not for anyone else. How is it disrespectful towards men?
it has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't take it so personally. ha hah ha hah a
‘High body count’ like women out here being assassins and such. LOL. 😂 this isn’t a war zone buddy.
Thanks for saying that. I’ve been grossed out about that term, “body count”, for a longtime. It’s a war term for how many kills. Especially disgusting that it’s men using it to describe women rather than the other way around which is the reality. And it also disgusts me that these men use someone as precious as a woman’s child as a symbol of her unworthiness of love. Just disgusting.
So sad that nobody wants to date me after my stint in the Serbian mafia tbh. But I was young, we all go through that phase. Nobody judges men if the execute a few heads of state in their 20's, smh
I have a co-worker in her 20s, with 3 kids and a man who is basically another toddler. I feel sorry for her. And this guy with a Santa beard is trying to convince me that being single and childfree at the age of 35 is a bad deal!!! Some men will have nothing but they will still have the audacity.
Good point. If men are gonna complain about women not wanting kids with them, first thing they should do is work on themself to actually be good parents that put in a fair amount of work in raising them and dont leave 90% of the work to the woman. Its already so much easier to want kids in the first place when YOU dont have to be the one to go through the whole process of pregnancy, childbirth and then being the primary caretaker or an infant that wakes you up "constantly" day and night. And on top of that, men can easily leave any actual responsibilety of caring for the child once its born while mom is usually stuck. Any woman actually wanting kids should make sure in advance the man she has them with is someone caring, hardworking and responsible who is willing to put an equal amount of work. A lot of men can blame themself
There are good men too, but also way too many who arent
Thanks for being decent and rational, and calling these jerks out.
Dating is hard for everybody, but actively terrifying when you're a woman, because Never-Combs-His-Beard is the type of men you meet out there. 😨
Let's hope he washes it. ewey
Lol looks like he long since hit the wall
At top speed 😂
I'm 4B because we are dying over here. Abortions are healthcare. We keep dying because we cant access the care we need in a lot of areas in the US and starting 2025 its going to get worse. I dont want to die.
I completely understand.
You right, majority of us, women, do want families, but the reality is the lack of maturity (psychological, emotional, spiritual, dare i say financially, the lack of self-awareness, understanding, being able to put yourself in a womens shoes ( hell, any other person's shoes) their laziness when it comes to raising children and being actively involved ( how many married women are actually single parents), and helping around the house, the list is endless). Its all just exhausting. And we have not even mentioned any type of abuse. But they are soooo confused wives asks divorce, its always claimed to be " out of the blue"
Grow up that all we are asking, geez
If a person cant admit they are wrong and/or find a way, a compromise usually, forward they are immature
And that's the reason throughout all of human civilization, cultures, and history until the recent modern day, younger women most often married older men because they had achieved or were closer to meeting the criteria you listed. They were mature enough and situated in life enough to provide for a family.
@@RM-qq5rjand to also ABUSE. This was only needed because women were financially OPPRESED. The tables have turned and most men can’t even do THE ONE JOB. You’ve become redundant on top of unlikable and most do not have the leverage or appeal,
One of the men I tried dating literally would blow his paycheck on toys yet wanted a family obviously that relationship didn't last past a month... men are children.
I started a clothing company and went 10 years without sex. I didn't miss it. I met great people and had fun. A few years after that, I went back to school for my PhD. I now teach at a university. I own my home, I have zero debt, and I enjoy my life. I don't think grandpa moses with the grizzly beard can say that. Live your best lives, ladies!
Never part of that movement, yet part of it, for the past many years. I didn't hate men, I was heartbroken and I feared them. You could've easily asked me if I was OK and who hurt me, because I would've just collapsed sobbing (and I did, in therapy, and sometimes on these social media streets, too). I think we can come back to the golden middle road from extremes (staying completely abstinent for the past many years was also an extreme on my part) and de-radicalize, but it takes work, it takes a total change in worldview and relationships and most importantly, dropping the illusion that we should do it to hone to perfection. Progress, yes, perfection, nope.
People hating each other isn't a win for anything.
Men keep saying this is good for men. But when women say no, or that they're not interested, men refuse to just go away.
4B may sound a bit radical to us (though not inconceivable, of course. I understand and support it perfectly fine.) though, as far as I have been made aware from folks in those regions, a lot of east Asia is still _quite_ sexist, tends to have stricter gender expectations, and feminism is generally mocked and frowned upon in the mainstream there; significantly more so than here.
The claim that 4B is disrespectful to men? Only if men believe that they are actually _entitled_ to dating, marriage, impregnating someone, and sex. It is not disrespectful to simply live a life of strictly platonic and familial relationships with men.
It's not just believing they are entitled to it. It's believing they are entitled to it from any woman THEY choose.
@@mtclauraamaral2201 Right you are! _Absolutely_ men like that would _still_ piss and moan if they _were_ entitled to those things, but they couldn't be picky about who, specifically, they got.
"radical" to simply not want to be with a man in a sex"ual relationship. You realise the implications of you calling that "radical" don't you?
Also you're saying that being a gay woman is also "radical". 🙄
You're implying there is something wrong, extreme, odd, bizarre and not normal to be 4B. But in fact a woman's natural state is an individual, not a s"ex object or breeding stock for men. The 'radical' choice, if you think about it, is when women choose to risk their lives just to have se"x and children with men. Especially when contraception, abortion and other care is illegal, unreliable and restricted. That 54% of drugged SA happen on dates.
94% of Ra*pees are by someone the woman knows.
67% of women experience domestic violence and SA in THEIR HOME WITH A MAN. So actually the 'radical' choice is to give up a healthy body and mind and peace and safety just to date and live with a man.
They say a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle, they are definitely overestimating how useful men are. 😆
How dare you say you as a man are "perfectly fine and supportive" of women choosing to be 4B.
You realise that you are implying women need your approval. 🙄
It's extremely patronising and condescending of you.
@@obscurum6 I don't get that vibe and, quite frankly, one of the things that's always been an issue is that some men will only listen to other men so having allies who can explain why they are unbothered by the "panic of the day" is useful.
I am not 4B, but I definitely empathize with people who have given too much to risk more and are cashing out while they still have a chance.
I have no idea why it would be disrespectful lol. When dudes tell me they don't sleep with women I'm like... Oh neat.
Because I dont know if this guy heard, but that is actually pretty common lol
For how many of these dudes are almost certainly on the DL... They always conveniently "forget" about non standard sexualities lmaooooo
They get married to women and then have sex with other men they find on gay dating sites.
My first time watching one of your videos and you've definitely gained a new subscriber!!! You nailed it!!!
I can't get over the hypocrisy of considering a percentage of women as unacceptable and it's a "favor" to men then in the same sentence calls their personal decision disrespectful to men.
Nuns and monks have taken oaths reflecting these principles for centuries and nobody called that disrespectful. The only thing that makes this upsetting to these men is that women are now doing it for their own benefit rather than that of a nonexistent deity.
Men think 4B is just about sex ❤
You get respect when you behave respectfully. Women will respect you when you respect them.
funny how older men don't want older women, men with 'high body counts' don't want that in women, and news flash... children of single mothers have dads too, I'm sensing some double standards here
The old guy is stubborn. This is part of the reason women are fed up and saying they will pass on men.
His videos are giving "4B is working and no one wants to sleep with him"😂😂😂
The main reason women wanted to get married in the first place was because there was otherwise no place for them in society. Traditional societies are geared around channeling women into this life choice, especially when arranged marriages are involved. No other future is presented to them, and the burden of expectation is inescapable. You see a lot of weeping brides out there, which is really why veils are the universal uniform of a bride cross-culture.
Ironically the 4b movement was born because of "men" like him 😂😂
I love how the same men going on about "Oh we don't want women with high body counts!" Are often the same men making women with high body counts
I have been 4B for nine years. I did this after being divorced and having children so maybe these guys would say I’m one of those that has “hit the wall“. And I really don’t care. I don’t talk about it, I just go about my life. But I’m telling you, when men find out that I don’t date or have any plans to ever have sex, or being a romantic relationship ever again, they take it very personal. And the thing is they are the ones that bring it up! It’s like they take it as a personal insult that there are women in the world who are just opting out. It’s weird. I’m not bothering anybody. I do my job. I take care of my houses. I raise my kids. The fact that I am existing without allowing man access to my body or service, feels like violence to them.
The 4B/"Four Nos" movement sounds insanely radical to us, but it probably makes a lot more sense in South Korea. Honestly, it might be a desperate-but-necessary attempt by women in a bad situation to claim some autonomy in the only way they can. I mean, we've had over fifty years of women's rights in the West, but women and men both _still_ have trouble _not_ defaulting to sexist expectations when they get involved with someone.
Higher middle class and up might have had 50 years of women’t rights in the West, but first of all this is a minority of people, second of all 50 years is nothing compared to the centuries of effed up treatment of women and how it’s ingrained as norm into the mind of many as if was a birthright of men to abuse and use women. South Korea is not isolated from the West. Women’s rights movements started in the 19th century by the way. To you it might sound radical, cause it seems to take away something that is not a given in the first place, but to others it might sound understandable without being in SK. To many men this sounds radical, to most women this is not a surprise at all. You have a woman pic as avatar, but you sound a lot like a dude. :)
@@MarlenkamintaI think both of you made some great points. ❤
It doesn’t sound radical at all
It sounds peaceful
It sounds blissful
South Korea is such a male-centered society that this is an incredibly radical idea.
How is it radical to just...live?
It's disrespectful for people to live their life the way they want to and not cater it around pleasing someone else(you)?...
He is literally calling it disrespectful for women doing what THEY want with their OWN lives(bodies)... WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK MY GUY?!
Does he think he's king of the world and all women are his possessions to order around? .. what is this attitude?!?
I’m 4b I guess, too hurt atm to date but I know some decent men, they’re just usually quite a bit older, like being single or already in successful relationships/marriages. I’m a bit rusty on the dating thing now and you do tend to get stuck in your ways then guard that! I figure if I meet someone I can’t resist in the wild then I’ll take it from there and see what happens but not actively looking.
Additionally, if birth control gets harder to get, women will be far, far more careful about having sex. That will be difficult for men, too.
Under traditional rules, they couldn't even talk to a woman they hadn't been formally introduced to. Maybe we should go back to that.
4B movement it’s time 🔥🔥🔥
It really does my heart good to see you so successfully explaining to a lot of very confused people of all ages, how to be a decent human being who sees others as having the same value, rights, needs, dreams as they do, no matter their sex, gender, race, etc.
XGen cheering you on from the bleachers 🙌
Being older and a single woman, ‘looking for a man’ is pure torture. I’m capable of taking care of myself. A person would have to add to my happiness. It is sad how many men believe the only thing they have (and need) to offer is the fact that they are male.
The bar is so low that the devil is limbo dancing in the last sub-basement in Hell
And there are men saying exactly the same thing. The problem for you and a potential partner/husband, how do you both get to make each other's lives happier, if both of you have to compromise in your current lives? Isn't the very act of compromise to keep another person happy going to reduce your happiness?
And there are many men who ask what women have to offer and the answer from some women is "all this" (presenting their body), it's all they they have (and think they need) to offer.
I’m 48, CF, and haven’t gone on a date in six or seven years. You know what? My life is so much more peaceful, creative, safe, and just more relaxed. There’s very few cishet men out there who are even emotionally intelligent, healthy, empathetic, or intuitive.
And I’ve rejected over 90% of opportunities to add to my “body count”. What about this grandpa? I bet he’s pounced on anything willing that has a pulse. 😂
Until men collectively wake up and work on themselves my plants are getting my attention. Along with feral cats! At least those keep pests down, instead of becoming one. They eat a lot less, too. 😂
My retired Special Forces father stopped asking why I am not not actively dating after my mother died and he starting paying attention to the men in my age group.
The dude with the snow on his face looks just like he sounds. Creepy af.
4B Women: (Minding their own business, enjoying life, living single and celibate in peace and solitude with no kids…)
McBeardy: 😠That’s disrespectful!