REThink - debate with Rabbi Sacks and Richard Dawkins
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- Опубликовано: 6 дек 2022
- Recorded coverage from the BBC’s RE:Think religion and ethics festival, where Chief Rabbi Lord Sacks and scientist Richard Dawkins debate the relationship between science and religion.
Discover more from Rabbi Sacks on his archive website:
www.rabbisacks.org/videos/
I wish that woman would stop interrupting and let these two debaters make their points!
Nonsense. She strikes a very good balance between mediating the debate and allowing them to speak.
@@phillipecook3227 Nonsense. The debaters could never get a point completed without her constant interruptions.
If she wasn't there it would just turn into a religious/atheistic slanging match.
Ct@@phillipecook3227😢😢😢😢😂😢😅😊😢😢😢😢😢😢
i wish women stop interrupting period. 😂... before my account is closed relax, it's a joke.
Franz Werfel - 'For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible.'
As a moderator for this forum, she is paid to keep the forum alive and continuously. She is doing the right thing that her job is required
So beautifull that we can have such a discussions.
There shouldn't be a need for a discussion... religion is bullshit made up to control people and to keep them simple minded.
@@dayanbalevski4446prove it
Yeah but these religious people would NEVER change their minds, so it's pointless. They're always so disingenuous when they say they enjoy arguing with Dawkins.
Don't make me laugh
@@davidstaffell I don’t think anyone is trying to change their opponents mind. I think both sides realise they may learn something from the other, and both sides have the humility to respect someone with different views. That’s actually quite hard to do, as it requires, intelligence, maturity, and humility. No one has the right to change another’s mind, that is just arrogance. It’s up to each individual to search for the truth, and these two men can help a wide range of people to do that.
It's a pity that Israel doesn't have such discussions with Palestine
To Talk is to communicate, a must for any society. Thank you !
We need Reb Yehuda Hachosid book debate 😂
{Then when the boy reached the age to work with him, Abraham said, “O my dear son, I have seen in a dream that I sacrifice you. So tell me what you think.” He replied, “O my dear father, Do as you are commanded. God willing, you will find me steadfast.”
Then when they submitted, and Abraham laid him on the side of his forehead,
We called out to him, “O Abraham,
You have already fulfilled the vision.” Indeed, this is how We reward the good-doers.
That was truly a revealing test.
And We ransomed his son with a great sacrifice
and blessed Abraham among later generations.
Peace be upon Abraham.
This is how We reward the good-doers.
He was truly one of Our faithful servants.
We gave him good news of Isaac, a prophet, and one of the righteous.
We blessed him, and Isaac as well. Some of their descendants did good, while others clearly wronged themselves.}
{Have they not realized that God, Who created the heavens and the earth, can re-create them? He has set for them a time, about which there is no doubt. But the wrongdoers persist in denial.
Say, “Even if you were to possess the treasuries of my Lord’s mercy, then you would certainly withhold, fearing they would run out, for humankind is ever stingy.”
We surely gave Moses nine clear signs. Ask the Children of Israel. When Moses came to them, Pharaoh said to him, “I really think that you, O Moses, is bewitched.”
Moses replied, “You know well that none has sent these down except the Lord of the heavens and the earth as insights. And I really think that you, O Pharaoh, is doomed.”
So Pharaoh wanted to scare the Israelites out of the land, but We drowned him and all of those with him.
And We said to the Children of Israel after Pharaoh, “Reside in the land, but when the promise of the Hereafter comes to pass, We will bring you all together.”}
After thousands of years of religion it is not phased out overnight even if it is completely wrong
Thousands of religions have in deed “phased out” and many of them indeed “overnight “ … usually through the violent demise of all its adherents by the hand of other delusional exigencies. The set of religions available today are a function of chance and violence.
Judaism is not 'completely wrong'. Though it's not a 'religion', it's a relationship with G-d. 'Religions' give payoffs. Judaism has none.
Explain where all of this came from with no "holes" in your explanation. Can't can you?
correkt
@@nomorecensoringmewe don't have to explain anything. your god of the gaps argument doesn't prove that you are right.
@@rene_bla_bla" we don't have to explain anything "
and in the same time you are asking for explanation
does not feel right
you are not a masters and them are not your slaves
right
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." Voltaire
Why that random woman in the middle is often interrupting the discussion?
It's called a moderator.
She’s trying to keep them on-track. Unfortunately, rabbis are incredibly skilled at shirking the actual point being sought by the moderator and opponent. (I say rabbis are skilled at talking around the point half to their detriment and half as a compliment to them-rabbis are among my favorite speakers of the religious authorities who take part in these dialogues, even though they can be frustratingly evasive)
@@zaddyjacquescormery6613I don't think the rabbis was evasive at all, his answers were broad but they did answer the question.
I used to watch all of Dawkins debates during the new atheist movement. I remember this one distinctly. The rabi was very respectful, intellegent and just generally had his shit together. Didn't know he died. That's sad. Big love for him wherever he is.
I know you think the rabbi is very respectful when he sarcastically laugh at the proff. What's it so funny that he needs to laugh it off like that. I think if there's nothing funny it's either because he's being sarcastic in something. The thing is he may laugh thinking the proff has said something stupid it the reason may be, he laughs because he's brain is so limited that he thinks the proff has said something wrong when only he's laugh may reveal that he himself doesn't understand certain things at that level of the conversation. Well, talk about respect .
@@khaulezaskhosana5062 c'mon buddy. He wasn't exactly ray comfort level asshole.
@@khaulezaskhosana5062 Based on the grammar of your comment, you don’t have the intellectual integrity to comprehend this debate.
Intelligent
@@khaulezaskhosana5062 You seem to be the only person in the coments who thinks this. That is normally a cue to re evaluate your thoughts.
I think it's really great to listen to 2 very highly intelligent persons, arguing, with respect to each other. no shouting, no cursing, no fear. respect!!
There is only one intelligent person on that stage, friend.
@@grimuk3817 yes rabbi sacks
The rabbi might've been intelligent but his arguments aren't, moved on very fast from his claims as he couldn't defend them. Intelligent to figure out the power of words but not on how to bring proof to the table.
Except when he said Dawkins used antisemitic arguments because he didn't like his god
@@grimuk3817 negative comment s from people who aren't humble or respectful of others... Haughty and prideful people are this way .. no need to hurt others
Hey there guys. I would like to make a transcription of this video in order to get more insight into the text (wanted to discuss it with GPT). Any ideas how to get the text (besides transcribing it manually, which i consider doing)
This creation, the structure of the universe, the
foods, the tongue that tastes, the teeth that grind, the stomach that digests, the excretion of waste from the body, oxygen, the lungs, the eyes, the sexual desire and many other things, this does not indicate anything. Are you 100% sure of not having a creator?
Rivers and seas and the creatures in them and the rain that sows the earth beyond
It is very with lots of fruits
Nothing creates something
Are you 100% sure of not having a creator?
Go and see what religion commands you to worship. One Creator created everything, no three, no more, no less, but one. Go and see for yourself, you will find only one religion
But I will remind you of something you may have forgotten. And I want you to think about it. You are here in this world against your will. Just think a little bit that you are not here. By your own choice. You are here by choice.Choose to be here.He is one and you will go. See who commands you to worship one Creator, and you will find one religion, which is the religion of the prophets, and that is Islam. The matter is not easy, the matter is great in this existence, because whoever is able to bring you into this world against your will, after death, will either find you in grace and beauty that you have not seen, or torment and fear. which you have not seen.
Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, is a prophet from the Creator, and before him many prophets did not lie or deceive, and he is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator who created everything.
First of all, you should know that the religion of all prophets is the worship of one Creator who created everything. Islam today is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator and not idols, illusions, conjecture or a number of gods. But how do we know that the speech is from God and not from Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace? . These are some of the things that comfort your heart and believe that this is a prophet and many of the prophets before him
This evidence appears generation after generation. The generation that lived with the Messenger, may God bless him and grant him peace, witnessed miracles, and I collected for you what this generation has. in which we live
The Almighty said: (Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke)
The smoke confirms that the origin of this universe is inflamed. It is not a lake of water, as was the perception of all philosophies and religions that are based on illusion. This is one of the postulates of modern science today that the sky is condensation of smoke. This fact converted the French scientist Maurice to Islam and wrote a book entitled the Holy Qur’an on the scale of modern science
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
The Almighty says: ((And the heaven We constructed))
The sky is a building, not a vacuum as it was thought, and this was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2017 that proved it
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
The Almighty’s saying: ((And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.
)).
That is, the sky expands with time. This fact, even in the time of Einstein, was not imagined by anyone and it was proven. And Einstein admitted it and admitted that it was the biggest scientific mistake he made in his life if he believed that the sky was fixed. The Qur’an before Einstein says that the sky expands
fact
Almighty’s saying: :((And We have made the night and day two signs, and We erased the sign of the night and made the sign of the day visible that you may seek bounty from your Lord and may know the number of years and the account [of time]. And everything We have set out in detail.
)).
The verse of the night is the moon and the verse of the day is the sun. The Qur'an tells that the sun and the moon were fiery masses. That is, the moon was a fiery mass and was erased, and the verse of the day remained visible to the eyes. Was the moon a fiery mass and extinguished? This is one of the biggest scientific issues discovered about the moon. The moon was already a fiery mass, and NASA issued on its official website a conceptual clip entitled The Evolution of the Moon in the video. In fact, the moon was a fiery mass like the sun, and this is what the Qur’an told about and the truth of modern science.
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
Almighty’s saying
And you see the mountains thinking that they are rigid, while you will cross as the passage of clouds. [It is] the work of God who has perfected everything. In fact, he knows what you're doing.))
And the verse clearly spoke of a strange phenomenon, which is that the viewer of the mountains appears to him still, that is, they are still, but in fact they are not like that, rather they are in a state of constant movement. And the infidels of Quraish had previously accused our master Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, of madness, and it is likely that their joy was overwhelming when this verse was revealed.
They also found in it, according to their claim, evidence of this madness, and they told the people: How can you believe this man who says that these fixed mountains move like clouds moving in the sky!
And today it is proven that the earth rotates, and with it the mountains, how did Muhammad know that and why is he telling you instead of the matter that makes people consider him crazy? The matter was not from him, but from God.
.
Almighty’s saying
Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe)).
After man was able to reach the sky by flying by modern means of transportation, he knew that the higher up in the air, the less oxygen and atmospheric pressure, which causes severe tightness in the chests and the process of breathing. :
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before? It was not from him, but from God
Almighty’s saying
Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with billow topped by billow, topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hands, he can hardly see it! for any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light!
Modern sciences have revealed that in the bottom of the deep seas with abundant water - the deep sea - there is great darkness, to the extent that living creatures live in this darkness without visual tools, but live using their other senses such as hearing.
These dark darknesses are not found in the sea water that surrounds the Arabian Peninsula, but rather they have been discovered in the oceans far from it
This verse shows another aspect of the Qur’anic miracle, which is that the sea wave that all people only knew was one wave in the seas
The verse says there is another wave in the depths of the sea, and divers discovered at the beginning of the twentieth century a fact that was hidden in the depths of the sea, that fact that shows another wave that throws divers into it as it is thrown at swimmers, and this wave was discovered by Scandinavian divers.
.I will tell you what the Prophet said. The Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, said: One day the Bedouins who live in the desert will build tall towers, and this is my duty. Go and see where the
tallest buildings are and who owns them.
God Almighty: ((We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?)
And God informed the Qur’an of this by saying: “Did you think that we created you without a purpose and that you would never return to us?”
All these and other matters that I have not mentioned indicate that this is a prophet from God..More important than that, as I told you, is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator, who created everything and before him many prophets
Say, if you wish, there is no god but God, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God
speak from the heart
,
@@user-rp5ye7uc6djesus fucking christ, you going full lorem ipsum on us.
Hey wheres the rest of the Q&A? I wanted to watch till the end
this is how every debat should be: listening to each other with mutual respect and not just repeat standpoints.
and that seems to be inpossible in 99,9% of the debates with apologists.
If mutual respect means calling someone anti Semitic for merely pointing out the obvious truth about a literary character, that's a sad state for society.
@@philakers4187 what do you mean by literary character?
You didn't get anything out of this.
@TheChristianLife The rabbi did have a diarrhea of words.... And he splashed everyone with it.
²⁰p
One thing that I do not understand that Rabbi sacks referred to. He said that Adam and Eve were a parable and not actual people who were the first humans. In studying from a Jewish standpoint I understand that the ancient rabbis believed that the cave where Abraham and the other patriarchs were buried they said one step further into the cave is the gate to Eden and that Adam and Eve are buried in the deeper part of that cave.
Not at all. This is a mystical idea. No legitimate rabbi believes that Adam and Eve were actually Individuals.
@@Foxie770 thank you for your reply. If you don't mind could you give me a little background on you and your studies.
We have a word for that: cherry-picking.
when did this debate occur?
Maturity at its best! Finallyt a discussion that is actually a discussion and not a adversarial battle between two 3-year olds. I doff my hat to both of these intelligent gentlemen.
One is a 3-year old tho.
@@bjrneileras2534Yeah, one believed in fairies and other mythical nonsense.
@@garyt.8745 I was mostly thinking about how he behaves throughout the "debate", but yes that too absolutely
Your math needs some work doing on it. I watched this video and there was only one intelligent gentleman.
lol Love the jab for no reason. @@owenwilliams105
I really wanted to hear the Rabbi's last answer but it cut off
Language contains beliefs about morality and the world - great point there for sure.
And morality is subjective.
I don’t think the moderator was a co- debator.
💥 NOTE - *The ending of the video was cut off on a VERY important topic: MORALITY AND ITS SOURCE.*
*Why ???* 🤷🏽♂️
This creation, the structure of the universe, the
foods, the tongue that tastes, the teeth that grind, the stomach that digests, the excretion of waste from the body, oxygen, the lungs, the eyes, the sexual desire and many other things, this does not indicate anything. Are you 100% sure of not having a creator?
Rivers and seas and the creatures in them and the rain that sows the earth beyond
It is very with lots of fruits
Nothing creates something
Are you 100% sure of not having a creator?
Go and see what religion commands you to worship. One Creator created everything, no three, no more, no less, but one. Go and see for yourself, you will find only one religion
But I will remind you of something you may have forgotten. And I want you to think about it. You are here in this world against your will. Just think a little bit that you are not here. By your own choice. You are here by choice.Choose to be here.He is one and you will go. See who commands you to worship one Creator, and you will find one religion, which is the religion of the prophets, and that is Islam. The matter is not easy, the matter is great in this existence, because whoever is able to bring you into this world against your will, after death, will either find you in grace and beauty that you have not seen, or torment and fear. which you have not seen.
Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, is a prophet from the Creator, and before him many prophets did not lie or deceive, and he is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator who created everything.
First of all, you should know that the religion of all prophets is the worship of one Creator who created everything. Islam today is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator and not idols, illusions, conjecture or a number of gods. But how do we know that the speech is from God and not from Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace? . These are some of the things that comfort your heart and believe that this is a prophet and many of the prophets before him
This evidence appears generation after generation. The generation that lived with the Messenger, may God bless him and grant him peace, witnessed miracles, and I collected for you what this generation has. in which we live
The Almighty said: (Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke)
The smoke confirms that the origin of this universe is inflamed. It is not a lake of water, as was the perception of all philosophies and religions that are based on illusion. This is one of the postulates of modern science today that the sky is condensation of smoke. This fact converted the French scientist Maurice to Islam and wrote a book entitled the Holy Qur’an on the scale of modern science
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
The Almighty says: ((And the heaven We constructed))
The sky is a building, not a vacuum as it was thought, and this was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2017 that proved it
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
The Almighty’s saying: ((And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.
)).
That is, the sky expands with time. This fact, even in the time of Einstein, was not imagined by anyone and it was proven. And Einstein admitted it and admitted that it was the biggest scientific mistake he made in his life if he believed that the sky was fixed. The Qur’an before Einstein says that the sky expands
fact
Almighty’s saying: :((And We have made the night and day two signs, and We erased the sign of the night and made the sign of the day visible that you may seek bounty from your Lord and may know the number of years and the account [of time]. And everything We have set out in detail.
)).
The verse of the night is the moon and the verse of the day is the sun. The Qur'an tells that the sun and the moon were fiery masses. That is, the moon was a fiery mass and was erased, and the verse of the day remained visible to the eyes. Was the moon a fiery mass and extinguished? This is one of the biggest scientific issues discovered about the moon. The moon was already a fiery mass, and NASA issued on its official website a conceptual clip entitled The Evolution of the Moon in the video. In fact, the moon was a fiery mass like the sun, and this is what the Qur’an told about and the truth of modern science.
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
Almighty’s saying
And you see the mountains thinking that they are rigid, while you will cross as the passage of clouds. [It is] the work of God who has perfected everything. In fact, he knows what you're doing.))
And the verse clearly spoke of a strange phenomenon, which is that the viewer of the mountains appears to him still, that is, they are still, but in fact they are not like that, rather they are in a state of constant movement. And the infidels of Quraish had previously accused our master Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, of madness, and it is likely that their joy was overwhelming when this verse was revealed.
They also found in it, according to their claim, evidence of this madness, and they told the people: How can you believe this man who says that these fixed mountains move like clouds moving in the sky!
And today it is proven that the earth rotates, and with it the mountains, how did Muhammad know that and why is he telling you instead of the matter that makes people consider him crazy? The matter was not from him, but from God.
.
Almighty’s saying
Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe)).
After man was able to reach the sky by flying by modern means of transportation, he knew that the higher up in the air, the less oxygen and atmospheric pressure, which causes severe tightness in the chests and the process of breathing. :
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before? It was not from him, but from God
Almighty’s saying
Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with billow topped by billow, topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hands, he can hardly see it! for any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light!
Modern sciences have revealed that in the bottom of the deep seas with abundant water - the deep sea - there is great darkness, to the extent that living creatures live in this darkness without visual tools, but live using their other senses such as hearing.
These dark darknesses are not found in the sea water that surrounds the Arabian Peninsula, but rather they have been discovered in the oceans far from it
This verse shows another aspect of the Qur’anic miracle, which is that the sea wave that all people only knew was one wave in the seas
The verse says there is another wave in the depths of the sea, and divers discovered at the beginning of the twentieth century a fact that was hidden in the depths of the sea, that fact that shows another wave that throws divers into it as it is thrown at swimmers, and this wave was discovered by Scandinavian divers.
.I will tell you what the Prophet said. The Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, said: One day the Bedouins who live in the desert will build tall towers, and this is my duty. Go and see where the
tallest buildings are and who owns them.
God Almighty: ((We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?)
And God informed the Qur’an of this by saying: “Did you think that we created you without a purpose and that you would never return to us?”
All these and other matters that I have not mentioned indicate that this is a prophet from God..More important than that, as I told you, is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator, who created everything and before him many prophets
Say, if you wish, there is no god but God, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God
speak from the heart
,.
@@user-rp5ye7uc6d seek help
Grow up@@user-rp5ye7uc6d
Thank you, Dr. Dawkins.
Anthony Flew is considered one of the most prominent atheists, so he retracted his atheism and ،told us that the universe has a deity with modern scientific evidence, not with thought or dreams and feeling, but after science and modern discoveries about the existence of a Creator. He fell into another problem that the Creator wanted according to his mood
He wanted the Creator to be neither speaking nor hearing, and creating creation in vain
But it is logical that this Creator sends a messenger to teach us who he is. And we have to verify the authenticity of the Messenger and what this Messenger calls to?
It transports sperm from the liquid state to the eyes, heart, blood, arteries, and bones. Unconscious nature creates a conscious human being. Then this nature teaches about the importance of the heart and lung, then puts the rib cage, then oxygen, then water, there is sexual desire, and there are the genitals to complete the male and female sexual process. , What coincidence are you talking about, a coincidence that creates the male and the female. All of these are called verses and there are things that complement each other, there is a lung and there is air and there are teeth and stomach and in food and other things and we say that it has no creator!!!
The only question God will ask you is
focus on it
((He said: Did you deny My verses and did not encompass them in knowledge, or what did you do?))
I mean, God Almighty tells you what I told you is a lie and you cannot realize it or understand it
And what in the world have you been doing?
Do you know what your answer is?
((The decree will befall them for what they did wrong, and they will not be able to speak.
If you find yourself in the world without a choice in a great reality we live in, and you go without a choice and a question is the most important
If your destiny is fire, has God wronged you???ًً
Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, is a prophet from the Creator, and before him many prophets did not lie or deceive, and he is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator who created everything.
First of all, you should know that the religion of all prophets is the worship of one Creator who created everything. Islam today is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator and not idols, illusions, conjecture or a number of gods. But how do we know that the speech is from God and not from Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace? . These are some of the things that comfort your heart and believe that this is a prophet and many of the prophets before him
The Almighty said: (Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke)
The smoke confirms that the origin of this universe is inflamed. It is not a lake of water, as was the perception of all philosophies and religions that are based on illusion. This is one of the postulates of modern science today that the sky is condensation of smoke. This fact converted the French scientist Maurice to Islam and wrote a book entitled the Holy Qur’an on the scale of modern science
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
The Almighty says: ((And the heaven We constructed))
The sky is a building, not a vacuum as it was thought, and this was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2017 that proved it
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
The Almighty’s saying: ((And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.
)).
That is, the sky expands with time. This fact, even in the time of Einstein, was not imagined by anyone and it was proven. And Einstein admitted it and admitted that it was the biggest scientific mistake he made in his life if he believed that the sky was fixed. The Qur’an before Einstein says that the sky expands
fact
Almighty’s saying: :((And We have made the night and day two signs, and We erased the sign of the night and made the sign of the day visible that you may seek bounty from your Lord and may know the number of years and the account [of time]. And everything We have set out in detail.
)).
The verse of the night is the moon and the verse of the day is the sun. The Qur'an tells that the sun and the moon were fiery masses. That is, the moon was a fiery mass and was erased, and the verse of the day remained visible to the eyes. Was the moon a fiery mass and extinguished? This is one of the biggest scientific issues discovered about the moon. The moon was already a fiery mass, and NASA issued on its official website a conceptual clip entitled The Evolution of the Moon in the video. In fact, the moon was a fiery mass like the sun, and this is what the Qur’an told about and the truth of modern science.
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
Almighty’s saying
And you see the mountains thinking that they are rigid, while you will cross as the passage of clouds. [It is] the work of God who has perfected everything. In fact, he knows what you're doing.))
And the verse clearly spoke of a strange phenomenon, which is that the viewer of the mountains appears to him still, that is, they are still, but in fact they are not like that, rather they are in a state of constant movement. And the infidels of Quraish had previously accused our master Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, of madness, and it is likely that their joy was overwhelming when this verse was revealed.
They also found in it, according to their claim, evidence of this madness, and they told the people: How can you believe this man who says that these fixed mountains move like clouds moving in the sky!
And today it is proven that the earth rotates, and with it the mountains, how did Muhammad know that and why is he telling you instead of the matter that makes people consider him crazy? The matter was not from him, but from God.
Almighty’s saying
Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe)).
After man was able to reach the sky by flying by modern means of transportation, he knew that the higher up in the air, the less oxygen and atmospheric pressure, which causes severe tightness in the chests and the process of breathing. :
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before? It was not from him, but from God
Almighty’s saying
Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with billow topped by billow, topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hands, he can hardly see it! for any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light!
Modern sciences have revealed that in the bottom of the deep seas with abundant water - the deep sea - there is great darkness, to the extent that living creatures live in this darkness without visual tools, but live using their other senses such as hearing.
These dark darknesses are not found in the sea water that surrounds the Arabian Peninsula, but rather they have been discovered in the oceans far from it
This verse shows another aspect of the Qur’anic miracle, which is that the sea wave that all people only knew was one wave in the seas
The verse says there is another wave in the depths of the sea, and divers discovered at the beginning of the twentieth century a fact that was hidden in the depths of the sea, that fact that shows another wave that throws divers into it as it is thrown at swimmers, and this wave was discovered by Scandinavian divers.
I will tell you what the Prophet said. The Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, said: One day the Bedouins who live in the desert will build tall towers, and this is my duty. Go and see where the
tallest buildings are and who owns them.
God Almighty: ((We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?)
And God informed the Qur’an of this by saying: “Did you think that we created you without a purpose and that you would never return to us?”
All these and other matters that I have not mentioned indicate that this is a prophet from God..More important than that, as I told you, is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator, who created everything and before him many prophets
Say, if you wish, there is no god but God, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God
speak from the heart
@@user-rp5ye7uc6d
Funny that you would think your mythology is more real than other mythologies (including the two mythologies yours is literally built from) to the point you think your book is any kind of authority. The very first quote shows that your god doesn't understand how biology works. I didn't bother reading the rest, because it's just more primitive nonsense that has no useful place in a modern world.
@@woodygilson3465 Einstein said, “In light of this harmony in the universe which I, with my limited human mind, can determine, there are still people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me in support of views like this.” [26] Nor did Anthony or other scholars. You claimed that by knowledge you denied the existence of God, and I showed you that by knowledge, whoever is more knowledgeable than you admits the existence of a Creator.
Question: "Why did Einstein find it so difficult to answer yes or no to the existence of a Creator?" Was it based on science or illusions?
He was asked: Why did Anthony retreat from atheism? Is this regression based on science or illusions?
And what do they all believe in one Creator?
Why did Dawkins put 50%? Are you more knowledgeable than these scholars, or is your belief based on arrogance?
@@user-rp5ye7uc6d
Einstein was a Deist, not a theist. He plainly stated that the only God he believes in is the God of Spinoza. Nice attempt at cherry picking and distortion of facts tho. 🤣
@@woodygilson3465 Why was he a deist and not an atheist
Did science prevent him from being an atheist?
Wow - the joke the rabbi told about "Are you a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew" was referencing page 194 of the Kindle version of "The God Delusion" - in the book the punchline used atheist in place of Jew. There are several other subtle references the rabbi makes to passages in the professor's book. Interesting.
Jews read.
@@terrorists-are-among-us Yes, we do.
@@bradthompson5383 Jesus didn't die so you could sin. Find GOD 🤡
@@bradthompson5383 you're a sinner 🤡
@@bradthompson5383 good people 🤡
I undersstand that this is recorded coverage, but should include the date in the description - the panels in the background show 2012, and the Twitter screen also shows Sep 2012...I thought Mr. Dawkins looks a lot younger than recent interviews
This creation, the structure of the universe, the
foods, the tongue that tastes, the teeth that grind, the stomach that digests, the excretion of waste from the body, oxygen, the lungs, the eyes, the sexual desire and many other things, this does not indicate anything. Are you 100% sure of not having a creator?
Rivers and seas and the creatures in them and the rain that sows the earth beyond
It is very with lots of fruits
Nothing creates something
Are you 100% sure of not having a creator?
Go and see what religion commands you to worship. One Creator created everything, no three, no more, no less, but one. Go and see for yourself, you will find only one religion
But I will remind you of something you may have forgotten. And I want you to think about it. You are here in this world against your will. Just think a little bit that you are not here. By your own choice. You are here by choice.Choose to be here.He is one and you will go. See who commands you to worship one Creator, and you will find one religion, which is the religion of the prophets, and that is Islam. The matter is not easy, the matter is great in this existence, because whoever is able to bring you into this world against your will, after death, will either find you in grace and beauty that you have not seen, or torment and fear. which you have not seen.
Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, is a prophet from the Creator, and before him many prophets did not lie or deceive, and he is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator who created everything.
First of all, you should know that the religion of all prophets is the worship of one Creator who created everything. Islam today is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator and not idols, illusions, conjecture or a number of gods. But how do we know that the speech is from God and not from Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace? . These are some of the things that comfort your heart and believe that this is a prophet and many of the prophets before him
This evidence appears generation after generation. The generation that lived with the Messenger, may God bless him and grant him peace, witnessed miracles, and I collected for you what this generation has. in which we live
The Almighty said: (Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke)
The smoke confirms that the origin of this universe is inflamed. It is not a lake of water, as was the perception of all philosophies and religions that are based on illusion. This is one of the postulates of modern science today that the sky is condensation of smoke. This fact converted the French scientist Maurice to Islam and wrote a book entitled the Holy Qur’an on the scale of modern science
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
The Almighty says: ((And the heaven We constructed))
The sky is a building, not a vacuum as it was thought, and this was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2017 that proved it
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
The Almighty’s saying: ((And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.
)).
That is, the sky expands with time. This fact, even in the time of Einstein, was not imagined by anyone and it was proven. And Einstein admitted it and admitted that it was the biggest scientific mistake he made in his life if he believed that the sky was fixed. The Qur’an before Einstein says that the sky expands
fact
Almighty’s saying: :((And We have made the night and day two signs, and We erased the sign of the night and made the sign of the day visible that you may seek bounty from your Lord and may know the number of years and the account [of time]. And everything We have set out in detail.
)).
The verse of the night is the moon and the verse of the day is the sun. The Qur'an tells that the sun and the moon were fiery masses. That is, the moon was a fiery mass and was erased, and the verse of the day remained visible to the eyes. Was the moon a fiery mass and extinguished? This is one of the biggest scientific issues discovered about the moon. The moon was already a fiery mass, and NASA issued on its official website a conceptual clip entitled The Evolution of the Moon in the video. In fact, the moon was a fiery mass like the sun, and this is what the Qur’an told about and the truth of modern science.
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
Almighty’s saying
And you see the mountains thinking that they are rigid, while you will cross as the passage of clouds. [It is] the work of God who has perfected everything. In fact, he knows what you're doing.))
And the verse clearly spoke of a strange phenomenon, which is that the viewer of the mountains appears to him still, that is, they are still, but in fact they are not like that, rather they are in a state of constant movement. And the infidels of Quraish had previously accused our master Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, of madness, and it is likely that their joy was overwhelming when this verse was revealed.
They also found in it, according to their claim, evidence of this madness, and they told the people: How can you believe this man who says that these fixed mountains move like clouds moving in the sky!
And today it is proven that the earth rotates, and with it the mountains, how did Muhammad know that and why is he telling you instead of the matter that makes people consider him crazy? The matter was not from him, but from God.
.
Almighty’s saying
Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe)).
After man was able to reach the sky by flying by modern means of transportation, he knew that the higher up in the air, the less oxygen and atmospheric pressure, which causes severe tightness in the chests and the process of breathing. :
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before? It was not from him, but from God
Almighty’s saying
Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with billow topped by billow, topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hands, he can hardly see it! for any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light!
Modern sciences have revealed that in the bottom of the deep seas with abundant water - the deep sea - there is great darkness, to the extent that living creatures live in this darkness without visual tools, but live using their other senses such as hearing.
These dark darknesses are not found in the sea water that surrounds the Arabian Peninsula, but rather they have been discovered in the oceans far from it
This verse shows another aspect of the Qur’anic miracle, which is that the sea wave that all people only knew was one wave in the seas
The verse says there is another wave in the depths of the sea, and divers discovered at the beginning of the twentieth century a fact that was hidden in the depths of the sea, that fact that shows another wave that throws divers into it as it is thrown at swimmers, and this wave was discovered by Scandinavian divers.
.I will tell you what the Prophet said. The Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, said: One day the Bedouins who live in the desert will build tall towers, and this is my duty. Go and see where the
tallest buildings are and who owns them.
God Almighty: ((We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?)
And God informed the Qur’an of this by saying: “Did you think that we created you without a purpose and that you would never return to us?”
All these and other matters that I have not mentioned indicate that this is a prophet from God..More important than that, as I told you, is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator, who created everything and before him many prophets
Say, if you wish, there is no god but God, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God
speak from the heart
,.
@@user-rp5ye7uc6d cool story bro. i wonder if you had been born in cambodia you'd believe in buddha, if in latin america in jesus, or in any other region the major religion of that region. quite a strange coincidence, isnt it. i dont believe in any god, so i only believe in ONE less than you do. but keep on worshipping whatever being you are into...just dont try to fkn shove it down someone else's throat
" Douglas Adams explains this concept quite well using a puddle as an analogy: “If you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in - an interesting hole I find myself in - fits me rather neatly, doesn't it ? " ...
A talking puddle would be pretty interesting
Both are making very useful observations about the human condition. Very cool.
To admit that one is ignorant of a long-persisting pattern of human belief from the history of one's own culture and then in the next breath, claim the entirety of a concept emerged from one's own individual thinking (as if one is not a social animal, who grew up and learned by mimicking those around him), reminds me of that cartoon about the fish who, when asked about the temperature of the water that day, replies "What water?" Human beings (particularly young ones) are often susceptible to the conceit that our most cherished perceptions of reality and theories as to its nature are unique and products of our own individual genius. The older I get, the more it becomes apparent to me how very "normal" I am . . . at least in terms of the core characteristics that make me a human being . . . and only human, at that.
Very well said. I was thinking much the same.
@@tubapracticelog9618 agreed - very well said.
I am often struck by the fact that intellect denying writers, like modern existentialists or postmoderns, write books using millions of words in carefully phrased logically consistent chapters trying to tell us that our words are meaningless. I find modern philosophy so stupid; as it claims incoherently. Ed Feser is a wonderful philosopher who woke up from the idiocy.
This is why we can only judge people on ACT, and not abstract moral laws. I think his point was, children are taught to judge others as being 'different' through abstract moral beliefs. Children understand truth at sight, they do not require lessons on morality - this is why religion is wrong, because it teaches a moral law, which always results in judging others and condemning those who are 'immoral' in their eyes. Moral good and moral evil are the same thing because because morality itself is the problem.
A perfect response, l think pretty much the same way too. Lets hope the herd will keep waking up.
Omg the cut at the end 😭
Is this debate available on text ?
Before I watch this video, I saw the comments how the host interrupted them. I’m watching the video a couple of minutes and I see the comments were dead on. Oh my goodness please let the people make their points and stop trying to cut them off and change what they’re saying terrible host.
Is the ending of this video available to view online too?
This creation, the structure of the universe, the
foods, the tongue that tastes, the teeth that grind, the stomach that digests, the excretion of waste from the body, oxygen, the lungs, the eyes, the sexual desire and many other things, this does not indicate anything. Are you 100% sure of not having a creator?
Rivers and seas and the creatures in them and the rain that sows the earth beyond
It is very with lots of fruits
Nothing creates something
Are you 100% sure of not having a creator?
Go and see what religion commands you to worship. One Creator created everything, no three, no more, no less, but one. Go and see for yourself, you will find only one religion
But I will remind you of something you may have forgotten. And I want you to think about it. You are here in this world against your will. Just think a little bit that you are not here. By your own choice. You are here by choice.Choose to be here.He is one and you will go. See who commands you to worship one Creator, and you will find one religion, which is the religion of the prophets, and that is Islam. The matter is not easy, the matter is great in this existence, because whoever is able to bring you into this world against your will, after death, will either find you in grace and beauty that you have not seen, or torment and fear. which you have not seen.
Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, is a prophet from the Creator, and before him many prophets did not lie or deceive, and he is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator who created everything.
First of all, you should know that the religion of all prophets is the worship of one Creator who created everything. Islam today is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator and not idols, illusions, conjecture or a number of gods. But how do we know that the speech is from God and not from Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace? . These are some of the things that comfort your heart and believe that this is a prophet and many of the prophets before him
This evidence appears generation after generation. The generation that lived with the Messenger, may God bless him and grant him peace, witnessed miracles, and I collected for you what this generation has. in which we live
The Almighty said: (Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke)
The smoke confirms that the origin of this universe is inflamed. It is not a lake of water, as was the perception of all philosophies and religions that are based on illusion. This is one of the postulates of modern science today that the sky is condensation of smoke. This fact converted the French scientist Maurice to Islam and wrote a book entitled the Holy Qur’an on the scale of modern science
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
The Almighty says: ((And the heaven We constructed))
The sky is a building, not a vacuum as it was thought, and this was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2017 that proved it
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
The Almighty’s saying: ((And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.
)).
That is, the sky expands with time. This fact, even in the time of Einstein, was not imagined by anyone and it was proven. And Einstein admitted it and admitted that it was the biggest scientific mistake he made in his life if he believed that the sky was fixed. The Qur’an before Einstein says that the sky expands
fact
Almighty’s saying: :((And We have made the night and day two signs, and We erased the sign of the night and made the sign of the day visible that you may seek bounty from your Lord and may know the number of years and the account [of time]. And everything We have set out in detail.
)).
The verse of the night is the moon and the verse of the day is the sun. The Qur'an tells that the sun and the moon were fiery masses. That is, the moon was a fiery mass and was erased, and the verse of the day remained visible to the eyes. Was the moon a fiery mass and extinguished? This is one of the biggest scientific issues discovered about the moon. The moon was already a fiery mass, and NASA issued on its official website a conceptual clip entitled The Evolution of the Moon in the video. In fact, the moon was a fiery mass like the sun, and this is what the Qur’an told about and the truth of modern science.
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
Almighty’s saying
And you see the mountains thinking that they are rigid, while you will cross as the passage of clouds. [It is] the work of God who has perfected everything. In fact, he knows what you're doing.))
And the verse clearly spoke of a strange phenomenon, which is that the viewer of the mountains appears to him still, that is, they are still, but in fact they are not like that, rather they are in a state of constant movement. And the infidels of Quraish had previously accused our master Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, of madness, and it is likely that their joy was overwhelming when this verse was revealed.
They also found in it, according to their claim, evidence of this madness, and they told the people: How can you believe this man who says that these fixed mountains move like clouds moving in the sky!
And today it is proven that the earth rotates, and with it the mountains, how did Muhammad know that and why is he telling you instead of the matter that makes people consider him crazy? The matter was not from him, but from God.
.
Almighty’s saying
Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe)).
After man was able to reach the sky by flying by modern means of transportation, he knew that the higher up in the air, the less oxygen and atmospheric pressure, which causes severe tightness in the chests and the process of breathing. :
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before? It was not from him, but from God
Almighty’s saying
Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with billow topped by billow, topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hands, he can hardly see it! for any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light!
Modern sciences have revealed that in the bottom of the deep seas with abundant water - the deep sea - there is great darkness, to the extent that living creatures live in this darkness without visual tools, but live using their other senses such as hearing.
These dark darknesses are not found in the sea water that surrounds the Arabian Peninsula, but rather they have been discovered in the oceans far from it
This verse shows another aspect of the Qur’anic miracle, which is that the sea wave that all people only knew was one wave in the seas
The verse says there is another wave in the depths of the sea, and divers discovered at the beginning of the twentieth century a fact that was hidden in the depths of the sea, that fact that shows another wave that throws divers into it as it is thrown at swimmers, and this wave was discovered by Scandinavian divers.
.I will tell you what the Prophet said. The Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, said: One day the Bedouins who live in the desert will build tall towers, and this is my duty. Go and see where the
tallest buildings are and who owns them.
God Almighty: ((We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?)
And God informed the Qur’an of this by saying: “Did you think that we created you without a purpose and that you would never return to us?”
All these and other matters that I have not mentioned indicate that this is a prophet from God..More important than that, as I told you, is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator, who created everything and before him many prophets
Say, if you wish, there is no god but God, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God
speak from the heart
,.
What happened to the end?
I grew up in a strict household,but irked everybody when asking questions as a child. At 87 years, I still realize daily., even in this chat., that the one aspect is that you have to take as truth., the Creator God. If you read The God Delusion with an open mind you will be able to make up your own mind.
You saying you believe or not I'm confused?
Two gentlemen talking like adults , I love it .
യഹൂദ റബ്ബികൾ തങ്ങളുടെ കസിൻ മതങ്ങളായ ക്രിസ്ത്യാനിറ്റി, ഇസ്ലാം എന്നിവയുമായി താരതമ്യപ്പെടുത്തുമ്പോൾ അവിശ്വാസികളോടുള്ള അവരുടെ മനോഭാവത്തിൽ മയപ്പെടുത്തിയതായി തോന്നുന്നു.
അവർ പരസ്യമായി ദേഷ്യത്തോടെ പെരുമാറുകയോ ചർച്ചകളിൽ മറ്റുള്ളവരെ അപമാനിക്കുകയോ ചെയ്യുന്നില്ല.
Only one talks as an adult the other one talks as if he's backed by his daddy.
Until one called the other (without evidence) anti Semitic🤦♂️
I only see one gentleman, the other one is a dishonest religious freak.
No. This is an adult against a cry-baby who calls the other one anti-semitic, because he can't win on content.
I'm interested in your video, can you provide automatic translation on your video? Thank you very much, may God always bless us all
I only watched 8 minutes so far, but what a lovely calm debate.
I met a man in wheelchair ramdomly yesterday and he told me he suffers from post traumatic syndrome due to been a victim of abuse by catholic priest when he was a young boy. The court case is still ongoing.
Just saying.
Thanks you for sharing. I hope the priest is brought to justice for what he did to you.
So you can see that people can abuse their position, as unfortunately happens everywhere.
Blaming a religion makes no sense, people without religion who do the same in a different position of power.
Religion has precepts, but they are rarely followed by people and can also be abused.
Dawkins prefers to blame religion for all the misery because he is an atheist, but he forgets that people themselves cause all the misery.
@@heinpereboom5521 He probably does not need to blame Religion to show that religion itself is man-made construct inspired by the idea of a a super natural being.
One of the best videos on RUclips, outstanding
Yes I'll have to agree, although likely for a different reason.
This video perfectly demonstrates how easily people can be manipulated through vague, false and damaging claims or beliefs. Also it perfectly demonstrates how hard and sometimes dangerous it can be to try to expose such manipulative behaviour, because the offender wraps their nonsensical arguments in powerful sensations like hope and both positive and negative emotion. Questioning or challenging the authority or the authenticity of the offenders claims and beliefs may also be simply rejected by claiming the challenger is some sort of a human hater or evil (talking about blasphemy, or perfectly demonstrated in this video; to be accused of being antisemitic). Not too many decades ago, and likely even today in certain regions of the world, a guy like Hawkins would be murdered for his very legitimate and objective utterances - and a great number of people would concur. It's absolutely insane, and horrendous.
Personal belief in something greater seems a part of human nature to me, but that is completely different to the autoritarian or even totalitarian mass delusion that religion is.
To sit there playing with your cell phone while the great Richard Dawkins is speaking is truly incomprehensible.If the Rabbi could stop interrupting Dawkins, this discussion would have been greatly improved.
When was this recorded? Thx
I gotta say, the moderator interrupts a little too much... I know it's her job to keep the structure and pace, but it's a bit annoying at times. Good debate though.
Accck! Rabbi Sacks is cut off at the end!!! Where can I find the last bit of this event?!?
Seconded! It would be great to see the end of this.
ruclips.net/video/roFdPHdhgKQ/видео.html - the last 3 minutes!
@@jeffbenson9090 Thanks!
@@jeffbenson9090 Brilliant - this reply should be pinned at the top.
This is very good 👍
Imagine being in a car crash and driving a further 300 metres and when you recover from the shock you step out of a brand new model.
What we should all remember, as a foundation for this debate, is that Aristotle’s physics, with its teleological principle, held back the advancement of empirical and mathematical physics for perhaps 1,700 years. His physics were absolutely convincing and were held as dogma by Church theologians, but it turns out they were simply wrong. This goes to support Dawkins’ first statement that the question of “why” should be left out of hard science.
One cannot ever leave the "why" out of hard science - and, whether he realizes it or not, Dawkins doesn't either.
The "why" is the fundamental question as to why anything is the way it is at all. It's the fundamental principle, the granting of that which can't be explained behind *any* scientific theory. In the entire history of science, there is not one single exception to this. None whatsoever.
For Dawkins it's the presumption that spacetime itself is fundamental and that what we refer to as "physical objects" actually exist whether they're observed or not. FWIW, modern science has *deeply* troubling results for Dawkins that not only threaten, but clearly cut out the legs behind both his presumptions, but that's another beast entirely.
For a theist it's that there is an intelligent mind behind the clearly defined and rule-based system of that which we call physical reality. That mind cannot be explained - only that it exists as the one granted miracle that explains everything else as a result.
What is the theological reading of Aristotle's physics? That is an oxymoron 😂
@@rotorairgroup8409
I don’t understand your question and statement. Before the era of modern science Christian theologians integrated Aristotle’s physics into Christian philosophy as dogma and used it to support their world view. This is historical fact.
@@vivaldesque Aristotle's physics don't have a teological reading.
@@vivaldesque
If the christian teologians incorporate a non christian concept in their nonsense it does not give it a christian perspective, it is not christian nor is dogma. It cannot be used to support something that is unsupportable because it is not real.
Injustice and mortality intrigue me when i browse human history and existence Mr Dawkins...
When was this debate?
In 2022 itˋs a sin to upload 480p videos. Letˋs start the debate from there.
Lol, the moderator is basically debating the rabbi as well.
Well, he will insist on talking nonsense.
I felt that the moderator was only rarely interceding at all and always fair.
@@davethebrahman9870 you mean understanding Hebrew?
@@mrmighty9862 What has that got to do with anything? I’m talking about his terrible standards for evidence.
She didn't debate Dawkins.
i cant believe believers are still trying to debate dwakins ... he just kills it the rabbi doesn't stand a chance
What year was this recorded?
When was this recorded? It was uploaded a year ago (I'm writing this on Xmas Day 2023), but I'm pretty sure it was actually recorded much earlier: I get the impression it wasn't all that long after the publication of The God Delusion, which certainly was published years before 2022.
Please, all uploaders, DO supply the sort of information that I've described as lacking on this one. Thanks a whole bunch!
Its easy to agree with Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, who reminded us Catholics that the Jewish "are our spiritual older brothers." when I hear the beloved Rabbi Sacks who I have much enjoyed reading and learning from. Thank you rabbi.
I've read all your comments above and they sum-up to this: "Please God, don't let me die. Not me, surely not me. I'm too "special" to die. Spare me the inevitable fate of every living organism".
So funny.
@@donthesitatebegin9283 I agree. You certainly have an uninformed naive prejudice. No doubt you'll attribute Oxford's Roger Penrose's observations on physics and acts of understanding to some similar intellectual malaise. But of course.. as it stands.. the malaise is yours. God a coherent argument against free will? Something you freely assented to as an independent intellectual judgment? Care to defend responsibility and determinism? There's a reason only 1.6% of the American population are atheists with college degrees while the other 2.4% of US atheists have high school or less. I'll look forward to your informed engagement with facts.
Why do you believe what any man said, or says?
We aren’t the Jew-ish, we are simply Jews
@@michaelmelamed9103 I don't know...some of us are pretty "ish" if you ask me. 🙂
Is anyone else here annoyed by the moderator? Shameful how much she interrupted both the Rabbi and Dawkins!
No, i don’t think so.
Overall, she completes her role well.
I completely agree with you. She interjected way too often.
She executed her role perfectly. As a moderator she had to put brakes on the logorea of the debaters.
No
Absolutely agree! Yes she needed to moderate at times re who needs to respond etc, however there were a number of times where she gave actual arguments ( as though she were in the debate ) for points and seemed to do this preferentially for Richard Dawkins.
when was this?
Good one.
Where can one find the whole conversation? Very interesting. It makes me want to read Rabbi Sacks books.
Richard Dawkins the most rational, logical person I've ever seen, we really need more people like him. I like Richard look forward to the post religious age, the sooner it comes the better.
Read your classics instead of worshipping a clown.
What rational means ?
@@myheatgoesboomboomboom1655 It means they are to reasonable/logical
Dawkins is as much a fundamentalist as any religious zealot. He offers nothing of value.
People who know that G-d is Our Creator are not 'rational' and 'logical'? Only "new age" thinkers are? That's not either reasonable or rational or logical.
I always wished Rabbi Sacks debated Christopher Hitchens. I hope they're getting along upstairs.
Doubt it. Probably in very different places now
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What would those different places be?
No one knows what is after this life.
@@cmpc724 how can someone who denied G-D and the existence of afterlife be enjoying the afterlife now?
Just a logical statement
Nope .. they are in the basement and asleep . Forever. 😌
Consciousness is the substratum of reality. It has no beginning nor end and is not conditional on material receivers.
Where do you get measurement for moral dilemmas Richard? What standard or guide do you use? Who sets the standards? What makes them right?
Blaha.
{The ones who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whose description they find in their Torah and the Gospel.
He commands them to do good and forbids them from evil, permits for them what is lawful and forbids to them what is impure, and relieves them from their burdens and the shackles that bound them.
Those who believe in him, honour and support him, and follow the light sent down to him will be successful.
Say, “O humanity, I am God's Messenger to you all. To Him belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. There is no god except Him. He gives life and causes death.”
So believe in God and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believes in God and His revelations. And follow him, so you may be guided.}
@@user-hu5nh2cx9j "insert quote from the vedas here"
where's the rest of it?!!??
Dawkins’ face at 22:10 after Sacks tells him “you’re reading [the Isaac story] the Christian way” 💀
3:22 “science can tell us about the origin of life…” (and religion can tell us about the purpose) Rabbi Sacks says. But recently i’ve found scientist/philosopher Bernardo Kastrup interesting. he says science tell us what nature *does and philosophy (or religion i suppose) can develop or decipher a meaning or purpose to life, or tell us what nature *is. my point being that my understanding is that exactly how life originated is likely out of the realm of science, and perhaps can be dealt with by philosophy or religion.
it’s like science can’t exactly pinpoint the moment of the big bang, but have pretty good scientific ideas on what things were like just prior to the actual moment - which, btw, it seems more and more (theoretical physicists etc.) are now thinking in terms of the big bang as not being “the beginning” of everything.
The Big Bang Theory makes no claims as to the origins or the cause of the universe, and anyone who says that argues that it does is strawmanning. It only outlines that the universe was at one point, concentrated in one location and them expanded rapidly. Science may never be able to demonstrate why it occurred, or what existed before (as time did not exist until just after the initial expansion). However, religion and philosophy provide NO mechanism to determine the same, and therefore CANNOT even begin to provide justified answers to these questions. They can speculate, but that in no way rationalises belief. The correct answer, therefore, is 'we don't know."
@@brycehamilton4903 If you don't know the science, it's easier to just say nothing.
Of course every religious person believes that Religion tells us about the origin of life. Rabbi Sachs knew this, but capitulated here.
Science and religion contradict each other.
@@JohnnyJackson746 “Not necessarily. While some scientific discoveries may seem to contradict certain religious beliefs, many people find ways to reconcile science and religion in their own lives. Science focuses on empirical evidence and natural laws, while religion explores moral and spiritual questions. Some see science as explaining "how" the world works, while religion addresses "why" and "what it means". However, there are also instances where scientific findings challenge specific religious interpretations, and vice versa. Ultimately, the relationship between science and religion is complex and depends on individual perspectives and interpretations.”
I couldn't make out what Rabbi Sacks said here 59:11 Can anyone help me?
I would like to be involved in such discussion to unveil the Truth about Creation as Universal Life - Force.
Challenging arguments can be valuable as it encourages expansion of mind. Faith enhances belief, " ask questions , teach children to think for themselves, critique. " Thank you Richard Dawkins and the late lord Rabbi Sacks. 🕯
Islam is good morals, we come to the aid of people, Muslims are like brothers, we strive to be beneficial to each other.
@@Ayna123 And this is where Islam begins their Taqiya/Muda’rat/Hiyal, Dawah game…. But you have 1,400 years of slave trade.. from the Eaatern Arabian Slave Trade till this day, unofficially from Iberian Peninsula to Arabian peninsula… 1,400 years of consistent jihad, trying to progress Muhammad’s Ummah…
All humans have contributed to some form of good in one way or the other… don’t try emphasizing Islam…. Islam is worse than drugs.. but the renowned and respected Rabbi Sacks, he won’t outright say that…
@@Ayna123 Cool, but good morals are available elsewhere, too.
Sacks has passed away I’m so sorry 😢
@@Ayna123yuck
The Rabbi talks about how child friendly the Jewish religion is then goes on to speak about the Passover, Exodus and Abraham.
When was this filmed?
Anthony Flew is considered one of the most prominent atheists, so he retracted his atheism and ،told us that the universe has a deity with modern scientific evidence, not with thought or dreams and feeling, but after science and modern discoveries about the existence of a Creator. He fell into another problem that the Creator wanted according to his mood
He wanted the Creator to be neither speaking nor hearing, and creating creation in vain
But it is logical that this Creator sends a messenger to teach us who he is. And we have to verify the authenticity of the Messenger and what this Messenger calls to?
It transports sperm from the liquid state to the eyes, heart, blood, arteries, and bones. Unconscious nature creates a conscious human being. Then this nature teaches about the importance of the heart and lung, then puts the rib cage, then oxygen, then water, there is sexual desire, and there are the genitals to complete the male and female sexual process. , What coincidence are you talking about, a coincidence that creates the male and the female. All of these are called verses and there are things that complement each other, there is a lung and there is air and there are teeth and stomach and in food and other things and we say that it has no creator!!!
The only question God will ask you is
focus on it
((He said: Did you deny My verses and did not encompass them in knowledge, or what did you do?))
I mean, God Almighty tells you what I told you is a lie and you cannot realize it or understand it
And what in the world have you been doing?
Do you know what your answer is?
((The decree will befall them for what they did wrong, and they will not be able to speak.
If you find yourself in the world without a choice in a great reality we live in, and you go without a choice and a question is the most important
If your destiny is fire, has God wronged you???ًً
Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, is a prophet from the Creator, and before him many prophets did not lie or deceive, and he is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator who created everything.
First of all, you should know that the religion of all prophets is the worship of one Creator who created everything. Islam today is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator and not idols, illusions, conjecture or a number of gods. But how do we know that the speech is from God and not from Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace? . These are some of the things that comfort your heart and believe that this is a prophet and many of the prophets before him
The Almighty said: (Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke)
The smoke confirms that the origin of this universe is inflamed. It is not a lake of water, as was the perception of all philosophies and religions that are based on illusion. This is one of the postulates of modern science today that the sky is condensation of smoke. This fact converted the French scientist Maurice to Islam and wrote a book entitled the Holy Qur’an on the scale of modern science
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
The Almighty says: ((And the heaven We constructed))
The sky is a building, not a vacuum as it was thought, and this was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2017 that proved it
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
The Almighty’s saying: ((And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.
)).
That is, the sky expands with time. This fact, even in the time of Einstein, was not imagined by anyone and it was proven. And Einstein admitted it and admitted that it was the biggest scientific mistake he made in his life if he believed that the sky was fixed. The Qur’an before Einstein says that the sky expands
fact
Almighty’s saying: :((And We have made the night and day two signs, and We erased the sign of the night and made the sign of the day visible that you may seek bounty from your Lord and may know the number of years and the account [of time]. And everything We have set out in detail.
)).
The verse of the night is the moon and the verse of the day is the sun. The Qur'an tells that the sun and the moon were fiery masses. That is, the moon was a fiery mass and was erased, and the verse of the day remained visible to the eyes. Was the moon a fiery mass and extinguished? This is one of the biggest scientific issues discovered about the moon. The moon was already a fiery mass, and NASA issued on its official website a conceptual clip entitled The Evolution of the Moon in the video. In fact, the moon was a fiery mass like the sun, and this is what the Qur’an told about and the truth of modern science.
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
Almighty’s saying
And you see the mountains thinking that they are rigid, while you will cross as the passage of clouds. [It is] the work of God who has perfected everything. In fact, he knows what you're doing.))
And the verse clearly spoke of a strange phenomenon, which is that the viewer of the mountains appears to him still, that is, they are still, but in fact they are not like that, rather they are in a state of constant movement. And the infidels of Quraish had previously accused our master Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, of madness, and it is likely that their joy was overwhelming when this verse was revealed.
They also found in it, according to their claim, evidence of this madness, and they told the people: How can you believe this man who says that these fixed mountains move like clouds moving in the sky!
And today it is proven that the earth rotates, and with it the mountains, how did Muhammad know that and why is he telling you instead of the matter that makes people consider him crazy? The matter was not from him, but from God.
Almighty’s saying
Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe)).
After man was able to reach the sky by flying by modern means of transportation, he knew that the higher up in the air, the less oxygen and atmospheric pressure, which causes severe tightness in the chests and the process of breathing. :
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before? It was not from him, but from God
Almighty’s saying
Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with billow topped by billow, topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hands, he can hardly see it! for any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light!
Modern sciences have revealed that in the bottom of the deep seas with abundant water - the deep sea - there is great darkness, to the extent that living creatures live in this darkness without visual tools, but live using their other senses such as hearing.
These dark darknesses are not found in the sea water that surrounds the Arabian Peninsula, but rather they have been discovered in the oceans far from it
This verse shows another aspect of the Qur’anic miracle, which is that the sea wave that all people only knew was one wave in the seas
The verse says there is another wave in the depths of the sea, and divers discovered at the beginning of the twentieth century a fact that was hidden in the depths of the sea, that fact that shows another wave that throws divers into it as it is thrown at swimmers, and this wave was discovered by Scandinavian divers.
I will tell you what the Prophet said. The Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, said: One day the Bedouins who live in the desert will build tall towers, and this is my duty. Go and see where the
tallest buildings are and who owns them.
God Almighty: ((We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?)
And God informed the Qur’an of this by saying: “Did you think that we created you without a purpose and that you would never return to us?”
All these and other matters that I have not mentioned indicate that this is a prophet from God..More important than that, as I told you, is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator, who created everything and before him many prophets
Say, if you wish, there is no god but God, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God
speak from the heart
Generally a good debate. However, in the end Richard let Rabbi call him antisemitic while denying it. And they say not make ad-homonym attacks. It would have been more productive if - after reading from Richard's book - if rabbi had asked for or answered some of the adjectives used in the book.
Not just ad-homonym, all the logical fallacies.
@@phantom28613Really? What's the struggle?
He didn't say he is an antisemite, he said that this specific sentence is filled with antisemitic cliché
As a person born of Jewish parents raised in a conflicted Jewish environment, my grasp of Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris has changed dramatically my sense of freedom. My childhood experiences with the mannerisms of rabbinical leaders such as Rabbi Sacks, their stories and persuasive descriptions, always turned me off as people filled with their own righteousness, guaranteed by their ego and gods approval.
My experience is that there are no more egotistical and abusive people than Atheists. Atheists killed over 100 Million people in the 20th century alone with their "we know how to rule over people and religion is poison claims". The freedoms Americans have came from Christian ministers using the teachings of Jesus the Jew. There are no more generous people than Jews and certain Christian organizations like the Mormons. Tell what Atheist groups have given? Humm death and destruction!
@@JD-ev1uj Now there’s that Holier Than Thou attitude I was looking for! Are you so full of yourself or is that the light of the lord that gives you that shine from above?? What a stupid reply.
@@JD-ev1uj can you not see the implicit bias that your ape brain is playing on you? You have a greater view of human existence than there actually is
My take-away here (and I don't believe I'm alone) is that Rabbi Sacks is simply the latest example of how much Religion has conceded in the last half century. If Hitch was here he'd say "Rabbi Sacks, you're getting closer and closer to the truth every day!"
You are, also, conflicted, like your parents. So was the biblical Job. You are, also, a Jew. It’s good. You always know what you are. You belong. Mazel tov!
Differences are
Inevitable;
Variety is
Inherent and
Synergy is
Indispensable to
Offer
Nicely the Oneness of all.
Outstanding.
Just like a scarecrow out there in it's field, eh?
In this weather, too!
@@bennyhillschineseblokechar3689 🤣🤣🤣
Oh how I miss Rabbi Sacks. Such a gap his passing has left in the world.
He died?!?
@@dudeabides3872 Sadly yes. Wikipedia: "Sacks died in London on 7 November 2020, at the age of 72." He was a gem. Much missed.
@@dudeabides3872 His interview on the On Being podcast is well worth a listen.
The WHY is frightfully personal AND cosmic...its the only question that needs to be asked...and each of us can make up a story ourselves...we dont need to gather socially to believe our own story
{Surely those who dispute God’s signs with no proof given to them have nothing in their hearts but greed for dominance, which they will never attain. So seek refuge in God. Indeed, He alone is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing.
The creation of the heavens and the earth is certainly greater than the creation of humankind, but most people do not know.
Those blind and those who can see are not equal, nor are those who believe and do good to those who do evil. Yet you are hardly mindful.
The Hour is certainly coming, there is no doubt about it. But most people do not believe.
Your Lord has proclaimed, “Call upon Me, I will respond to you. Surely those who are too proud to worship Me will enter Hell, fully humbled.”
It is God Who has made the night for you to rest in and the day bright. Surely God is ever Bountiful to humanity, but most people are ungrateful.
That is God, your Lord, the Creator of all things. There is no god except Him. How can you then be deluded?
This is how those who used to reject God’s signs were deluded.
It is God Who made the earth a place of settlement for you and the sky a velarium. He shaped you, perfecting your form. And He has provided you with what is good and lawful. That is God your Lord. So Blessed is God, Lord of all worlds.
He is the Ever-Living. There is no god except Him. So call upon Him with sincere devotion, All praise is for God Lord of all worlds.}
I found this facilitator quite annoying. She kept interrupting the Rabbi constantly - It was almost like she did not want him to speak at all.
Now that I'm getting older, i realized how precious life is, this life, the one i feel, think and act, the one that gave my conscience which determines who I am. To me, the material world is real, is what i know, the rest is speculation.
it has nothing to do with the video keep it out
Not sure I agree with the rabbi on one point - "Ein Mikra Yotzeh Midi Pshuto - a rabbinic dictum: A verse always has to be understood literally. There are however ways to reconcile a literal Adam and Eve with evolution.
@@michebb8330 The G"ra admonished the Rambam for allegorizing Talmudic stories:
לפרש הגמרא הכל בדרך הלציי ולעקור אותם מפשטן וח" ו איני מאמין בהם ברוב לקחה
ולא מהם ולא מהמונם אלא כל הדברים הם כפשטן
Certainly, he would have taken issue with anyone who dared to allegorize biblical narrative. The verse you cite is dissimilar to the creation narrative. The Pshat of the eagle verse was likely meant by God as a metaphor from the get-go. It's one isolated verse that He states to Moses in first person The creation narrative however is very different ... verse upon verse upon verse .... Rashi spends an enormous amount of time explaining things k'pshuto.
Is there tho? Modern homosapiens still carry Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA. Let that marinate and let me know how you reconcile that.
Great to see two adults debating as such.
But only one of them still thinks it's possible to part an entire body of water, by wishing it so.
Pity the ending is cut out
Nietsche wrote " Give me a why and I will accept all the hows"
How about that?
That's a recipe for confirmation bias straight out of the pages of the International Cookbook of Logical Fallacies. Lol
"Can the creature understand the Creator"?
{O children of Adam, Do not let Satan deceive you as he tempted your parents out of Paradise and caused their cover to be removed to expose their nakedness. Surely he and his soldiers watch you from where you cannot see them.
We have made the devils allies of those who disbelieve. Whenever they commit a shameful deed, they say, ''We found our forefathers doing it and God has commanded us to do it''.
Say, ''No, God never commands what is shameful''. How can you attribute to God what you do not know?
Say, ''My Lord has commanded uprightness and dedication to God alone in worship, calling upon God with sincere devotion''.
Just as God first brought you into being, you will be brought to life again.
Some are guided, while others are destined to stray.
They have taken devils as their masters instead of God, thinking they are rightly guided.}
@user-hu5nh2cx9j the most beautiful thing I've ever read, where did you get that from?
@@user-hu5nh2cx9jdon’t worry that rabbi is already in heaven as for Richard Dawkins is not for sure
Yes the interruptions are very distracting
I agree, poor moderation
The Chief Rabbi has a lovely and calming speaking voice.
Rabbi Sacks ♥️
This is a wonderful demonstration of the distinctions between western and eastern thought, culture, family, morality, etc.
I don't see Dawkins as a nice person at all. He is hostile and has a bone to pick. His attitude is seen in so many people these days as the general approach to those who are willing to accept a part of themselves that he and they vehemently ignore. Their own anger is so palpable it is as infectious as it is demoralizing. It saddens me to no end to know it would be a waste of my time to speak with someone such as Dawkins. Their energy would be to discredit and berate me as a fool rather than engage me as a person or seek to lift me up in my efforts to learn and grow if it's not within their context and content. Ironically, Evangelicals, Moody Bible Institute for example, can be quite similar to Dawkins in that attitude. It's pure selfishness and narcissism to say it's all about their perspective and their way is the only way.
Dawkins is contradictory in his thinking and words to acknowledge religion and science yet at the same time dispel one in favor of the other. He might as well deny his right thumb.
I think David Berlinski's statement about Dawkins book and his thinking is most apropos, it's nothing more than "elegant smoke." It has no substance and everything but a silver lining. It is a hopeless venture to set out to disprove there is a God, as well as, persuade others to follow suit. The litany of Dawkins predecessors in such ventures shows an exhausted bunch who many in the end relent to the existence, if not the outright belief in said God.
But when you cut to the quick, he’s just a man who gets annoyed with folk who play the ‘god’ card without the slightest shred of evidence for the supernatural (whatever that is).
Every one of these debates is the same … just two people speaking - no ‘god’ ever makes an appearance. And that’s the crux of it - show us this ‘god’ manifesting itself in reality outside of the brains of believers.
Is it so hard?
@@NathanLabish Not Christian at all. It applies to any ‘gods’ you care to present. Direct me to where I might see one actually manifesting itself in reality, as opposed to just being the thought out concept of each individual.
@@NathanLabish Prove that ‘god’ Is not a structure of man.
@@NathanLabish I would suggest you’re hovering around the wrong video. These people are on about a ‘god’ that used to part seas and walk on water and scribble graffiti on the walls of posh palaces.
@@NathanLabish I’m just out shopping spending my Christmas money.
I will be back … with nuclear weapons. 😳
Greatest respect for Rabi Sachs and Prof Dawkins for this fascinating debate. As an atheist, very disappointed in the non neutral stance of the moderator.
The mediator didn't seem very impartial to me.
Thanks Richard!
You are one of the greatest man of our days.
Careful, or you'll be thinking he's some sort of guru or something!
I think the moderator believes they are the third guest debater.
Why did the chief rabbi have to poison the well calling Richard anti-Semitic?
I do think it is unfair for the rabbi to have to defend Judaism from the moderator, rather than dogma over evidence and reason as Richard kept trying to get back to.
Your question is anti-Semitic. Accusing the Rabbi of poisoning the well. How many hundreds and thousands of innocent Jews were accused of that very thing.
@@musicalme27 unlike the creator of the universe, I thought my comment would be taken as obviously figurative. If you insult the person you are talking with, it makes conversation difficult.
We live if in a world that used to kill ‘witches’ as commanded to be Iron Age texts. What a joker that sky fairy is since a witch is a fictional being that can not exist in reality.
Just to be ultra clear. I despise religious ideas - all of them, but I can distinguish between ideas (no respect deserved) and people who should be treated as we would wish to be treated.
@@wessexexplorer Well, I don't see the accusation of poisoning the well maybe you used that phrase and removed it? Anyhow, as to what Rabbi Sacks said, I don't think he was correct to call what dawkins wrote with all those adjectives against the God of the old testament, anti-semitic at all.. Dawkins did not have Jews in mind there even. He was just talking about the book, the "old testament" which is more of a christian term for the thing. It looks like Rabbi Sacks had maybe been reading some old anti-jewish christian writings that attacked jews by attacking the jewish god.. or something like that. He wasn't attacking a specific religion even let alone the fact that an attack on a religion isn' t necessarily anti-semitic. I think most Jews would probably not agree with sacks on that. .And no jewish media took issue like that with dawkin's book, so Rabbi sack's statement there was quite out of the blue.
Exactly! She interrupted very interesting lines of thought, especially of Rav Sacks.
Everyone saying that this is ‘respectful’ - is anyone watching at about 17:45 for instance?
way to go bbc .. you cut the rabbi’s final thoughts … very professional indeed
No wanted to hear his lives
This is what civil discourse looks like.
I agree. Two distinguished gentlemen conversing in a most delightful manner over an otherwise highly flammable topic.
@@bradthompson5383
Which one's a pedophile?
@@bradthompson5383 @bradthompson5383
All of them…???
Really?
Did you conduct a research about it or are you just coming up with some fake facts?
Some if not most Rabbis are decent human beings, some are not but are there any evidence against Rabbi Sacks?
@@pinSjon79 Well, this video.
{Surely those who dispute God’s signs with no proof given to them have nothing in their hearts but greed for dominance, which they will never attain. So seek refuge in God. Indeed, He alone is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing.
The creation of the heavens and the earth is certainly greater than the creation of humankind, but most people do not know.
Those blind and those who can see are not equal, nor are those who believe and do good to those who do evil. Yet you are hardly mindful.
The Hour is certainly coming, there is no doubt about it. But most people do not believe.
Your Lord has proclaimed, “Call upon Me, I will respond to you. Surely those who are too proud to worship Me will enter Hell, fully humbled.”
It is God Who has made the night for you to rest in and the day bright. Surely God is ever Bountiful to humanity, but most people are ungrateful.
That is God, your Lord, the Creator of all things. There is no god except Him. How can you then be deluded?
This is how those who used to reject God’s signs were deluded.
It is God Who made the earth a place of settlement for you and the sky a velarium. He shaped you, perfecting your form. And He has provided you with what is good and lawful. That is God your Lord. So Blessed is God, Lord of all worlds.
He is the Ever-Living. There is no god except Him. So call upon Him with sincere devotion, All praise is for God Lord of all worlds.}
These debates really fascinate me. Someone who is science based and factual debating with someone who is dogmatic and basically believes in the equivalent of unicorns, fairies and gnomes.
And what fascinates me more are the comments from religious people using passages from the bible to build their case. Totally circular and they mean no more to the non religious person than any other fiction book does!
Nearly impossible to believe in religion unless you are indoctrinated from a young age.
In religion yes, but in some kind of creator isn't as hard 🙂
Or maybe the rabbi is right? Who knows ? No one is ever gonna know until we really die
@@divemylollol6152 well, when you die you may not. If there is no God you will never know 😉
Maybe it's always time for another Christmas song, old man is an island, old man is mountain, calling all his children home.
47:30 if someone in the crowd yell "how about jesus christ" whole saloon would burst into laughter xD
That's funny! I would have laughed as well.🤣
Absolutely interesting to see two of the greatest minds to meet and interact with each other. Fascinating
The Rabbi completely ducked the idea of raising children with a religious identity attached to them. The idea that singing the songs, going to the school, being taught the beliefs, etc, doesn't obviously instil the desired religion into the child the vast, vast majority of the time is just wheadling of the most pathetic kind. Admit that you raise children with a belief already in mind for them to be instilled with, and either justify that or stop doing it.
@@LukasOfTheLight This Rabbi obviously is more a linguist than a thinker. Seems used to having everyone hang on his every word. He isn't interesting in thinking as much as reciting his points. He drags out his moot arguments so long and complicated that you can't help even build a rebuttal
One of the greatest minds. Science, education and self-evidence
*Sacks is an imbecile, he's very lucky he never tried to debate Christopher Hitchens as it would've been a massacre.*
The rabbi is rude and a bully...
23:40 I have to say, when the Rabbi read it, it made me burst out in laughter!
"If you oppose the genocide ordered by God in the Old Testament, you're anti-semetic" was sure an unexpected part!
@@Xanlet That was the one thing that made me wrinkle my nose during this whole debate - unlike the give-and-take and staying on issues during the rest of it, it was gross demagogy; pure emotional manipulation to gain points with the crowd. It lowered the whole tone of the discussion for me (and I'm Jewish.)
18:51 I appreciate this comment very much. It would have been even amazing, if it wasn't for the obvious jab at Dawkins at the end
The rabbi confused me with his logic. He says the way to read the old testament is to look at the stuff proven to be wrong as symbolic but the stuff yet to be proven wrong as literal. It should be symbolic until proven literal right?
The Rabbi impressed me. Creation can be understood in aethistic ways. It's loaded dice.
But it isn't though, hey?
People literally believe whatever their holy book says and their beliefs have nothing to do with anything Sacks says.
He is a smart man and speaks well but he doesn't represent religion as it is actually practiced or the people involved
The average seem to be easily impressed by that which is average.
@@tiamilo3673 It's not even average. It's just manipulation
Richard Dawkins is always so patient with such people ..love him! ❤
And "such people" are always patient with him. Love them
@@luboshcamber1992 Such people have been killing and miming whoever didn't believe in their madeup bullshit for millenia... This new found decency is not gonna fool us!
@@inkster147
Really? You better check how many hundreds of millions your religion you called "new decency" managed to kill in just 120 years of its despicable existence. Way worse of what all the previous religions managed within the whole history combined!!!
"Richard Dawkins" and "patient" doesn't really match up. He's just throwing a hissyfit because "I don't understand this, therefore (spewing insults in British)"
@@morielrorschach8090 Spewing insults? 🤣 Wait till you hear what Christopher hitchens had to say about the mental illness called religion. 🤣