Teodor Currentzis on Beethoven’s humanity
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Star conductor Teodor Currentzis and Ludwig van Beethoven seem to be kindred spirits. Currentzis reveals deep insights into Beethoven and his Symphony No. 9. Currentzis considers Beethoven’s 9th to be a timeless monument to human civilization. What do you think about Currentzis and Beethoven?
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Thank God for Currentzis, bringing light where there seems to be no hope.
There is no more hope for you if you look at Currentzis like some kind of god
@@detectivehome3318 I don't!
@@detectivehome3318he said “thank god for Currentzis” that means thank someone who isn’t currentzis but is god for currentzis
@@thurbine2411 Yes, but it's worth reminding that we should not put our trust and hopes in man since people nowadays tend to jump at any occasion to make their own gods, or think themselves gods - rather than come to terms with the fact that there is only one Savior and it's to Him we ought to turn to seek redemption and resurrection, as He alone died for our sins so that we "may have life, and may have it more abundantly." (John 10:10). This is obviously a talented man who appears to be doing some thinking - and because of it, it's all the more important that neither he nor we fall into the age old trap set up by one that "was more subtle than any of the beasts of the earth."
@@chorusetcantus5109 from your comment I guess you won’t it it is wrong to thank God for stuff though? Why not thank god for currentzis then? Or did you just quote the bible for fun?
I love every word from him.
He explains me the music.
Thank you very much
Welche Tiefe, wie sensible Wahrnehmung und wie der Maestro das aus der Musik herausholt! Die aktuelle Situation erinnert an die Zeit, in der Beethoven lebte, die Napoleonische Kriege, es ging um Freiheit, wie heute in der Ukraine! Auch von mir Dank an DW für das Video und dem Himmel, für das Glück, das wir mit diesem Dirigenten haben!
Vielen Dank!
wunderschön beschrieben, Gugusse!
He is full of love..this wonderful Currentzis
No he isn’t.
He demands that they channel the composer’s ferocity and compassion. Somehow.
Thanks very much DW!!!!! I'm so happy that there's a DW classical music channel!!! CONGRATULATIONS 👏🎉!!!
We're so happy you found us!
They are one of the worst classical music channels. Executive editor of Classics Today, David Hurwitz, has an infinitely superior channel.
@@darkprose Hurwitz? And what makes him superior?
Unsettling a few well - piped cream cakes not to mention the well- positioned glacé cherries of the musical bourgeoisie. For those of us who grew up with all the maestri of the 1900’s and made multiple journeys with each one of them....well, Currentzis is one new journey to be made. Engage my mind - engage the ears of my soul. Because music is ...an interpretation. Then speak to me, I’m all ears. Only the passive companions of Ulysses had their ears blocked, and having failed the test of the song of the Sirens, perished along the journey. Perished from ignorance....
"Musical bourgeoisie?" 😏 Perishment is far more readily arrived at from falling into self-delusion of enlightenment. 🙂
@@chorusetcantus5109 the heart hears better than the mind😊🙏
Vanity, thy name is Currentzis!
Among other things, I like what is written on his T-shirt - the crossed-out word "NEKRASIVOST' ", which means 'ugliness/unattractiveness' in Russian and here transliterated in the Latin alphabet, if anyone interested :)
Even his T-shirt is unbearable.
Зависть вас разьедает
Браво 👏
A rising shining star! His 5th is amazing!
I burst into tears in 3 minutes. Unbelievable. LVB and his ambassadors tell as a the story of humanity
Burst into tears because of how sad the performance is? I can relate.
@@detectivehome3318 I guess you have a different story to tell
@@H.eisenberg I have one word. To heal your musical appetite watch this review of Currentzis Beethoven 7 ruclips.net/video/eSOOktKe-Po/видео.html
may be you like theater
Humanity is evil, though.
Who's here from Dave Hurwitz's latesr video?
lol
He's made a couple vids about Currentzis' word-vomit twaddle, etc.
@@Georgeth-kb6rg did you come here from Dave?
@@detectivehome3318 sure ! I love Dave's video's :))
@@Georgeth-kb6rg me too!!
WOW! So much HATE on this man. I am so weirded out by all of your ugly comments. Just so shocked at all of your attitudes. To be a good or great conductor, requires an unusual person. Granted he is unusual, some even call him effeminate... so what? He is OUT THERE and making a difference which NONE of YOU have made in the world! ♥♥♥♥
This guy isn’t competent. Aren’t you tired of these wealthy, talentless hobbyists?
@@scottgilesmusic Huh?
Amazing!!!! Thanks a lot. Currentzis is so inspiring!
As with any youtube video 99,99% of negative comments come from poorly educated people who make no difference to music or mankind
Вам нет равных,Теодор.
Да, это так
He is my platonic love 🧡
You are not his. So stop.
@@detectivehome3318 that's a good comment...from one who has no life...go get one ...and let others love as they wish...
@@stylianosisaakidis3565 Why don't you go get a life and let me not love as I wish
@@detectivehome3318 The adjective "platonic" in and of itself is an admission that she is not his - so what's the dispute about?
In my opinion, Beethoven was mainly and mostly negatively influenced by the grave personal misfortune that befell him, i.e., his hearing loss. That made him "a difficult person" more than his dealings with his contemporary human fellows: the latter was just by-product, a social reflection of this very personal tragedy. It was also the main source of his bipolar disorder. Probably without it, he would remain a very talented follower of his teacher Haydn and of Mozart. I think that his misfortune actually turned out to be the source of a powerful innovatory artistic impulse that was misunderstood and rejected by his average contemporaries. But such is the essence of the genius endowed with a resilient human spirit: never to give up, no matter what difficulties it confronts, and to move the history of art forwards.
oh dear, he is so full of himself.
Lo admiro tanto q siempre estoy preocupada en el que el personaje aplaste a la persona.
Only one can love him..that Teodor..
I think- they are both brilliant--Thank you
Peace
The safer way of reaching Beethovens music and Currentzis's spirit,is to find the poet inside us.
Ρητωρ Νικολαος
Exactamente, Beethoven tuvo el infortunio de vivir en la época equivocada, con todo ese talento...uff, y luego su sordera...pienso que Mozart quien tenía una personalidad medio infantil se hubiera suicidado si le hubiera sucedido eso...pero le pasó a Beethoven....quien pensó en suicidarse y no solo no lo hizo, sino que además creó sus mejores obras después de eso...
Renunciar a componer, o componer la mas grande obra musical de la historia?
Renunciar, o crear una de las mayores obras de la humanidad??
Un hombre que vivió desdichado la mayor parte de su vida regaló a la humanidad un himno que trasciende el tiempo, que penetra en el corazón y eleva el espíritu humano. Gracias Héroe inmortal.
Бетховен не жил в полной нищете. Он хорошо зарабатывал. Получал помощь от нескольких спонсоров. В том числе от русского аристократа.
И даже оставил наследство саоему племяннику.
Beethoven nacio en una era muy correcta.
Bravo!!!
''Beethoven surrounded by untalented and rude people'' yeah, count yourself in there Teodor
is that both of "untalented and rude people" ?
...or one of them...
some comments on yt
are indeed made by...untalented and rude people...
I count myself to the untalented ones...
do you belong to any of the two ???
Finally someone who understands something beyond mainstream on this comment section! This guy is such a fraud! Such a poser, arrogant, comes with so called "original" ideas that only bring disturbance to the true talented artists, the orchestral musicians. No wonder they left him standing once…
Thank you, Geoff!
Cope harder
So much hate in some comments here... I guess, most people would appreciate Teodors work and efforts much more, if he would be an old ugly guy with a big belly...
Have you heard his records though?
No we would not!
Respect 🙏🙏👏👏
The resurrection has occurred. Dare i mock, as i will be damned forever!
... hard to think.
This man is a unique interpreter of Beethoven. Beethoven would have loved it.
You are not Beethoven
@@detectivehome3318 Neither you.
@@cribedadabecri5764 Exactly. So we cannot presume that Beethoven would actually like this conductor's 'interpretations' of his music.
@@detectivehome3318 As well as the opposite. My opinión is as probable as yours. You also dont know if Beethoven would not like it.
@@cribedadabecri5764 Well he ignores Beethoven’s instructions in the score, so...
HOW TO BE EASY BEING WITH ALL THIS TALENT IN BETWEEN STUPID PEOPLE
👏
Wonderful!
Theodor Curadentzis, great!
う~ん、凄い!前例のない第九。感動の大きさと深さ。圧倒される。スピーチも見事。納得。
「他の惑星の人が、人類文明とはなにか、と問うたら、
第九交響曲をよく演奏することだ、と応える。それは、人類文明の明晰な証拠だ。パルティノン神殿と同様に」
やはり、わたしが3年前にはじめて彼を聴いたときに名付けた通り、「クルレンツィスは古代アテネからの使者」だ。
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なんと4月13日(2020年)、サントリーホールでこの第九が聞ける。夢のようだ。
A perfect fit.
Uau!🎼👏👏👏
This ensemble under Currentzis plays Beethoven very dry, the textures are thin, the music is poorly articulated. And yet it goes to show how great Beethoven's music is. He's easy to do, because the symphonies are really well-written, well-orchestrated, everyone can do Beethoven symphonies these days and get a passing score.
Глубокое понимание «человека»
Beethoven, not the fake conductor.
❤️❤️
un poquito de esnobismo, sin olvidar su pizca de informalidad en el aspecto. Agrégale dirección orquestal ultrahistoricista, pero tocada con acentos rabiosos y grunge. Que no falten fanfarronadas disfrazadas de elogios hacia terceros, de modo que la gente -en especial las mujeres- digan: "¡Pero todos los genios se le parecen!" LISTO, ya está: tienes un Currenzis listo para salir a rodar por el mundo :D :D
oye si, totalmente de acuerdo jajajaja... es un "ruoc estar" jaja. Cuando lo conocí, me cayó un poco mal... precisamente por eso, es típico y le ha pasado a varios... bernstein, karajan etc... de a poco fui escuchando sus versiones y quedé fascinado. La verdad ahora es que sus versiones, las conservo como mis favoritas. A Currentzis le bajaría un poco el tono con el que expone sus ideas verbalmente, ya que musicalmente junto a MusicAeterna la saca del estadio. No le hace falta decir nada. Ahora, yo creo que Beethoven estaría encabronado de ver a un caribonito hablando sobre su música jajaa
Let me repeat one of my comments here. I never pretend to be mean.
I'm reading Vladimir Martynov's "The end of the time of the composers" at the moment. He states there that the European civilisation after the 15 century has moved away from the metaphysical ("spiritual") side of the sound. This shift is the beginning of the composition time. The elder civilisations like ancient Greek, Chinese etc. and the traditional societies today are hearing two sides of the sound itself: the physical (literal vibrations of matter which give the sound) and metaphysical (the representation of the cosmic (space) order or God(s)). Classical and modern periods have declined the cosmic side, therefore music has turned into bare vibrations which could express the soul and mind of the composer (contrary to the ancient and music which is anonymous). Beethoven belonged to this very era and there is nothing metaphysical in his symphonies (maybe there is his few pieces like Missa solemnis, but I'm not sure). But we are living in the post (meta-) modern society which is very likely to return to Cosmos. Currentzis is clearly the man of this kind (he proves that when he writes about the "spiritual side" of Beethoven's music), and he literally tries to find the things which Beethoven did not have in mind. And there's no secret why he fails compared to Sir John Eliot Gardiner and his best HIP colleagues. Despite the period instruments, Currentzis' take is not "historical" anymore since the ancient Greeks and postmodernists decline the concept of history itself.
Just to add. IMHO Currentzis minds himself as an quasi-ancient Greek philosopher. His lifestyle (recorded on cameras, of course) says pretty much for it: he never rushes anywhere, he's a thinker and enjoyer with a cigarette or a glass of old red wine and so on. And, for reason stated above, he completely suites our time, making a metaphysical "aura" around himself and his interpretations. Just like a rock star or myphical hero which are the same today. He says it was a difficult time when Beethoven lived. Yes, it was tough since everything kept changing. By saying this, he means that today it's getting easier to live because as ancient wise men thought, changes keep us further from Cosmos/God and destroy the order of life and, by this, our own health. As a European, I would disagree with him, but times are... hm... changing towards "not changing". Maybe we should really calm down a bit and think about our existence. Not emotionally but rationally which we can do compared to animals. Beethoven's music is extremely intellectual, and this complexity should bear emotions.
"Expert"?
Почему полная запись 9й симфонии недоступна?
here you find Beethoven's Symphony No 9. on our channel, conducted by Paavo Järvi: ruclips.net/video/VKxX2EJozxo/видео.html
He comes to the Elbphilharmonie with this Programm on April
All periods are difficult.
Лучший.
Good lord, what a charlatan!
What a load of pretentious flim flam ! Every few years record companies need a photogenic person to promote as someone radical/different/ etc. to sell , thats all. Where does one start with this video ? What does it mean to say that Beethoven was living among mediocre, rude, untalented people? Darkness.... no hope ....? :) :) :)
Pretentious flim flam is often what comes out of a musician when he explains his own greatness. Leave it to others to like or dislike what he does. That does not mean I personally would like or dislike everything he does.
If he would be just photogenic, he would be a model... ;-) This guy perceives the world and music from an entirely different perspective. Some people can relate to that and enjoy being guided into the metaphysical dimensions by the power of music and his intense emotionality. Teodor (if one likes him or not) is one of the rare human artists that understand art as a channel to the upper dimensions. And that´s what he wants to forward to other people.
@@rebecca_8888 Currentzis is a hack mangling Beethoven. There are/were many great Beethoven interpreters-- Klemperer, Dohannyi, Mackerras, Karajan, Szell, Furtwangler and so on that you could listen to instead of Currentzis.
@@patrickhackett7881 Who are you to tell others to whom they should listen to and who / what to prefer? 🤔
@@rebecca_8888 A person with taste (unlike Currentzis fans)
Quite unpleasant and depressing person and a bit full of himself.
I heard him speaking a language that he knows much better than English and believe me he's the best of men. The impression he might make in this video comes purely from his lack of words/intonations.
@@erynn9968 I hope you are right.
Radikalism Thought.
But, I do REALLY AGREED with all the Music Statements of The Beethoven's.
This is a distillation of all the most repugnant aspects of the Period Performance Practice zealotry: vibratoless strings that buzz rather than sing, timpani that sound like tin cans, and infinite pretension in place of interpretation. I could go on, but that's enough.
every person
Embarassing
Ok
hier ist leo aus der 6c ;-)
Painful to hear these stupidities - Beethoven would rightfully get angry 😂
In what way? Please explain. Thanks.
Ourania Eirini if you like a Collection of cheap stereotypes repeated by a puerile pseudo-intellectual - enjoy!
@@jh200176 Thanks. It was genuine question by the way.
jh200176 : that’s how you call a genius??????????
@@jh200176 Fine. I really don't care but I do like his take on music. On the other hand, he does come from different cultural tradition where "intellectualisation " is a trait unlike Anglo-Saxon cultures where it is an anthem.
I heard this conductor was terrible.
There’s nothing in this video that has changed my mind.
Giles, you are a very intelligent person!
No thank you... Read a score before you pass such lavish judgment on this guy
such an unpleasant person.. would never pay to see him considering he is so rude with the musicians ...
he isn't rude, maybe he is strict and perfectionist and he want the best result the way he imagines it
@@jcoolverine3483 I don't think he is rude either. I have seen worse- Solti, Maazel, and many others were worse with the players. The difference is they were great conductors.
His musicians worship him - I know one of them quite well. As far as I know, everybody he works with is extremely happy to enter into a contract with him, and the overwhelming majority of them stay on - very gladly! RUDE was Toscanini - absolutely no comparison. One of his most frequent explatives was, "Because you're STUPID!"
@@fredrickroll really? Check out the 9th symphony documentary on Netflix featuring him. He’s disgusting! The musicians even left him standing on stage
this is KVLT ...
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apparently a lot of folks are falling for his pretentious intellectual baloney.
Argue it
“You need a kind of revelation, a kind of apocalypse to enter this space.”
I don’t want Currentzis to die, I just want him to suffer. Like maybe a marble bust of Beethoven falls on his foot or something.
Yes please!!
What causes such an intense negative reaction inside of you? That´s what he means when he´s talking about rude people...
Rebbeca Nora Sanders,its the mediocre envy of two loosers.
@@rebecca_8888 And his claim that Beethoven’s talent caused him suffering because he was surrounded by philistines who could not understand his music-that’s not even accurate as a historical fact! Beethoven was one of the most _popular_ composers of his day. People loved his music then as they love it now. He had wealthy and powerful patrons that championed him and his music. Beethoven’s celebrity was not unlike, say, John Williams. There is no revision of his popularity and talent, there was no need to resurrect his music because it never died (unlike, for instance, the tragic case of Bizet or even Mahler, who was far more popular as a conductor than composer for much of his life). Currentzis seems to be talking about himself and his critics as much as Beethoven.
@@rebecca_8888 One more thing: I like many of his recordings, especially some of his Tchaikovsky and Mahler-he himself is insufferable. Another massive ego that looms large to this day is Leonard Bernstein. And yet, Bernstein was a genius who put himself entirely into the service of _the music_ and he shared his knowledge and passion _for the music_ to the world. I can’t imagine Bernstein talking about his personal revelation that gives him perfect access to a composers mind and thoughts and pain and suffering. Music, for Bernstein, was a universal faith. Would you watch _The Young People's Concerts_ hosted by Teodor Currentzis?
C'est tout à fait faux. Beethoven ne vivait pas au milieu d'incultes et de crétins. La plupart de ses proches étaient des musiciens confirmés, des écrivains de talent, des mécènes un peu plus avisés que ceux qu'avait eu Mozart peu avant, d'élèves relativement à la hauteur, et de gens surtout bien conscients du génie qui était le sien. Il a même été le seul à être un tant soit peu soutenu...En tous les cas s'il fallait faire des comparaisons entre l'éducation musicale et artistique des proches de Beethoven et l'effroyable effondrement en vertus artistiques des directeurs d'orchestre de notre époque, il y a fort à parier que le grand Ludwig prendrait les armes pour faire taire tous ces ignobles bousilleurs de chef-d'oeuvres. N'est ce pas M. Currentzis qui nous massacre le 3e mouvement de la 7e de Beethoven, en direct sur Arte et pratiquement aux yeux du monde entier. Presto ne veut pas forcément courir comme un dératé. Cela mériterait de redescendre à genoux sur les graviers le temple de Delphe du haut jusqu'en bas. Et ce cher Fasolis qui nous fait tout comme un tgv! Bravo la pastorale à la vitesse de la lumière. Et cette chef d'orchestre américaine qui bousille la "marche militaire" de la 9e symphonie...Mais quel trouffion peut défiler à une vitesse pareille? Même pas les chasseurs alpins. Maudits! Maudits! Clamait Jacques de Molay sur le bûcher. De la même manière je vous maudits car c'est à croire que vous le faites tous exprès, et je parierai même que vous êtes bien payés pour cela.
Mahler did something more original with Beethoven’s 9th, while composing and dealing with people. Come on!!!
Who forgot to close the gates of the Arkham Asylum?
No need to be mean.
It’s all blabla from a terrible poseur. It sounds ghastly: stringent, mannered and non-organic. The shock effects of harsh accents quickly get boring.
He keeps saying how similar him and Beethoven are... COME ON, what a vain person!
Lol.
So, he thinks that there were more stupid people 200 years ago than there are now? Why is that? At least it was a time that produced people like Beethoven... I would not trade our age for any other, because of the huge improvements in our lives brought about by Science, Technology and Medicine. But, no, there is no reason to believe that people are smarter on average today. As for his Beethoven , for my personal taste it sounds way too dry and self-serving. And the orchestra is not really the best sounding orchestra one has heard, so to speak. I think Currentzis is really good for 20th century repertory, that's where he is at home.