While we were out creek fishing, we stumbled upon a really cool arrowhead! We were curious to see if the piece is authentic or not...so we called in an expert for help!
That's real. The fresh crushing can come from turning over other rocks during heavy rains. I have found a few that size and almost identical in shape. Those creek arrowheads are much darker and the flaking is stained to match. Many of those are buried in clay just like effigy pieces. You can see effigy pieces In the creek water.
30 years experience as a native American artifact hunter and I've never seen someone find a fake, it just doesn't happen. Plenty of fakes on ebay, not in a creek. This guy is a fake.
Exactly and WHY do you need authenticity checked on a personal find anyway!! Especially if she found it in the creek with witnesses!! 🥴 no reason for trying to fool anyone, it’s not an expensive artifact as a collecting value to start with .. excellent personal find tho
We were told afterwards that there is an individual who searches for points in this area and has been known to plant fake points so that he can tell if anyone else has been out searching in the same spots.
@@KentuckyAfield DANG that guy is serious.... I've never heard of anyone that nutty for points, but I guess maybe he's trying to throw people off track from his good honey holes... you should check that area every time it floods to beat him to the points.. he wouldn't salt that area if there weren't good points there
Archaeologists in my area have salted an area with fake points, and other modern artifacts, to measure the movement of the artifacts over time. They wanted to see how much weather, erosion, and animals move the items. It’s actually not that outlandish.
It sounds like nonsense. When talking about arrowheads, fake just means it isn't an authentic Native America artifact. It is a REAL arrowhead, but a fake native artifact.
in all the videos i've watched on YT of people finding arrowheads, they are all finding points that are thousands of years old. not 100 years old.100 years ago no one in this country needed to make an arrowhead to hunt with in order to survive. he's clearly saying that it isn't an artifact from thousands of years ago. if the expert in this video were an indian, or literally anything other than a White man, you would've accepted what he said.
I have searched for points all my life & if the story is true or unless someone is pulling a prank, it's real. I found one in a creek once & it was so perfect & clean, I put it in my mouth & got out of the water took it out of my mouth & cried. When something has been rolling down a creek it's going to have marks. There are once in a lifetime finds.
The expert has examined thousands of finds. He says this is a modern reproduction based on his education and experience. That's good enough for me. I think a more intriguing question is the woman calling attention to herself, claiming she found this in a creek. No previous experience with artifacts, but talks about the base, and the pronounced stem. I feel for the experts confronted with stories, and dubious finds.
Back in the 60's a marina owner by the name of Felix owned a marina at the mouth of Stearns bayou on the Grand River. He used to buy all the Indian arrowheads the area kids "found" in the area. There was a steady stream of "finds" until one day one of them showed the marina owner how he could make an arrowhead in a short time. He setup right in the marina and made one before his eyes. After that Felix ceased buying arrowheads. I approached him with a box of arrowheads and he asked me the following question...."How old are your arrowheads?" Surprised by his question I hesitated. Before I could speak he picked up his little dog and said..."I'll bet they're about as old as this dog." Actually he was wrong, they were younger than his dog.
i have a pyrite fools gold dusted hopewell point mako shark teeth and graphite plummet all from same mound site. i know where the pyrite came from and the graphite from north carolina and shark teeth from florida. found in indiana .
Being from the KY. and WVA area I have never seen a spear head that big. But even if it were only 100 years old doesn't mean it was a reproduction because that wasn't available at that time. I don't 100% agree with the expert here on this one.
I agree; and I am a point authenticator. You can't compare a (Woodland) Hopewell culture stemmed knife to an Early Archaic Thebes knife and draw conclusions due to thickness. Fake Clovis points are commonly outed by being too thick, but I know of no such restrictions on the thickness of Woodland points. There is actually nothing too surprising about a 4.5" stemmed knife being 13.5 mm thick. I have many dozens of plainly authentic 2-3" long stemmed points that are about that thick. Most creek found points do not present with mineral deposits. The ones that usually help with authentication are manganese oxide and iron oxide mineral deposits that appear as small very dark 3d mounds that are firmly adhered to the surface. I see them on less than 25% of creek finds from North Mississippi. (They also don't show well on a black surface). There is no particular value to looking for crevice dirt/minerals on creek finds. (Even for land finds, it is actually the debris under hinge lids that is of value.) Fresh "crushing" is a key diagnostic of fake points; but that is certainly best determined by looking at the notches. I didn't see him studying them, and a pretty clear look at one notch (at 4:59 of the video) appears to be pretty good and free of crushing. The thing to look for on the surface of the blade is hinge fractures. They tend to release on ancient points, and if not, to patinate over where they no longer show translucency due to the thinness of the chert "hinge lid" (the lid still being there, but becoming opaque due to oxidation). Creek found points will show "creek polish" and the effects of tumbling in the water for perhaps hundreds of years. That would be studied both by eye and what the authenticator calls his "feel test". He doesn't say anything about the feel of the point and, of course, I haven't had the opportunity of in person inspection. This particular "point" (it is a knife) to me presents as authentic on the video (for what that's worth). While it is certainly possible that someone planted a reproduction, I doubt that is one of those situations.
I totally disagree with this man's opinion.yes the point looks off and modern, but he never brought up air pockets, I believe the point is odd but real.
Giants were real, that crushing could've happened by it tumbling in a flow down the river , and she probably cleaned it before she brought it. That thing is real.and it's a Giants arrowhead.
I was actually shocked thst guy said that, in fact i went and looked it up in Overstreet book, i have several, its in Ninth Edition on page 409 top of page. and in Tenth Edition page 414... size is big like yours. same base, same flaking! this really bothered me, had too say something!!
That’s what I’m saying, we’re still finding stuff we didn’t know about. And private collections can be better than a museums collection, so comparing your specimen to one of theirs might not be as helpful as comparing to more and better examples in private collections.
I've found several modern made reproduction points in fourty years of hunting....I think modern knappers sometimes salt areas for kids and relatives to "find" an incredible piece....I agree with the expert.....as soon as I saw this blade it didn't look authentic....
I've never done it, but I have thought about doing it to a field my friends hunt. I took a newbie hunting and dropped one in front of him once, but he didn't see it. He walked past it four times before my other friend got tired of leading him in circles and picked it up.
@@yustolmyname I did the same thing to a guy that would go to artifact shows and then act like he found them. He would dance around and the whole act . Working on a large tree farm ,he would do this in front of about eight of us. I've been collecting surface finds for 40 + years and became moderately skilled at knapping. So I knapped five points and placed them in his direction of travel, dirt on them ,pressed into the ground. Everyone knew he was a bullshitter so everyone was in on it .About an hour after having found the points I placed, I handed him a sheet of paper with a tracing of all the points he found. His demeanor changed drastically as he gave me a look of extreme disappointment. Everyone laughed, so I said quit planting your own points, with a grin. After that all his points were legit. Kinda felt bad doing that, but it got tiresome.
Why would a reproduction be in a creek? As the comment below says a creek find might not have silt or I suppose even mineral deposits could be dissolved off of the point as well. I wonder about all of that? If I had found that point in the creek I would have never even considered it to be fake.
I forgot the same factory was cranking out the same sized arrow heads for all the families of all tribes. There is a chance the river, sand, or possibly a life form ocould’ve cleaned it.
So someone made this to throw into a stream, time spent making it just to toss in a stream? Please! I have found points in a sand field that were smooth as glass, but this field is flooded with fast moving water everyother year!! Experts?
calichie is the term I think Eric was looking for, the type style is nice nice Thebes Eric brought with him ... people often put fakes on sandbars to see if someone is hunting the area fyi
Doesn't have the flaking of a Hardin... It has random flaking with pressure on the edges like a adena would have... but it doesn't have an adena shape and the base is waaaay too big to be a hardin
I think that’s real, I mean cmonnn, she probably went home gotta a toothbrush and cleaned the thing off, that’s why there’s no silt in the cracks like bruhhh. I do that points I find… clean them up all nice.
With over 55 yrs of hunting and collecting i beleave most on internet are fake . They are easy to spot . Knew this was a fake as soon as I seen it . Creek finds dontclook like that .
Who in the world would throw a "fake" arrowhead in a creek!? Fact is,modern man doesn't know everything about history. Much of its a guess based on opinion.
look up hopewell point in overstreet, same!! i have 6 overstreets and as soon as i saw it i knew whst it was.. I've had several and still own one that big
It would be cruel to put a reproduction where someone would probably find it and think it’s real. An older friend of mine has one in his collection that he found that looks fake to me. I have heard of people doing this type of thing though.
I did this for my parent. They’re elderly and came to visit. They’ve looked for them their entire life and never found one. I snuck a reproduction into their sifter and let them have the best day of their life. Do I feel guilty? Yes. Absolutely. Was my parent ever going to find a real one before they became too old to wade a creek all day? Absolutely not. I wouldn’t consider what I did cruel, but I also had a specific person in mind to find it, and we didn’t leave it behind.
That arrowhead in question, is too big to be in a river bed, and still have its point in-tact. Maybe if it was found in a tomb, or in a grave... not chert in a river bed. You'll find arrowheads on the river banks, pooled up around the base of trees, and the dirt will be sandy.
I posted a very large stone artifact that I discovered in a dry desert wash and then right away it's being called a geofact. I know Giants roomed the 4 corners in the past history and because of the Love Lock Cave being so close to where this artifact was found history has pretty much washed almost everything under the rug about Giant Indians pasts presents. Viewing just a video can not tell you it's just a geofact as I can see by what has taken place as I watched this video it's true although archeologist most likely have never encountered such a specimen type of a artifact they also may disregard it as not being a authentic piece of Giant Indians History due to archeologists never having had the opportunity of finding one of these in person. I don't like saying this but it's hard to believe that what I have found would be considered just a geofact since it shows that it has been modified by a ancient person from the past. It's very easy to dismiss something that you in person have never discovered before, I also hate to say that what I found will be covered up because it seems that almost all archeologist want to and or are told to hide anything from the past about that giant Indians really existed. My discoveries are proof that Giant Indians existed my discoveries started around the Cave Creek area and then I made more discoveries south of the Tucson area. Both of these discoveries were found near some sort of water sources, to me that's a big sign that Giants lived in these areas in the past water is all part of life. My second discover is Rock artifact tools and I do also have some of them posted as well on my channel. I started a year ago posting some of my finds but it was not until 4 to 6 months ago I started getting more and more noticed and lots more views and along came the haters.
That's not a spear point, Native Americans didn't use spears. Anything over 1½" would be a blade. What you found is definitely a knife blade it's too big and heavy to travel on an arrow or an atlatl.
I do not agree with this mans opinion.. that’s exactly what it is is HIS opinion. Knowing where it was found.. in a creek by a none Collector or relic hunter..no reason to pass a fake as real.. what about water polish and staining!! Artifacts and points tumble in a creek will have fresh fractures and there won’t be hardly any patina and you will see fresh scars or crushing. Which leaves it looking freshly made. I’ve collected artifacts since 1968 and I’ve seen and handled some of the top collections in the country. Does that make me an expert HELL NO, but I’ve have my hands on thousands upon thousands of Authentic artifacts and have hosted many artifact shows and learned a long time ago.. no one is 100% on their authentication ASK ANY REAL COLLECTOR. Get a second opinion trust me!!
I don't believe it... That being said, had I lived back then, I wouldn't have made arrow heads or spears like everyone else, my stuff would have been different than all the others, and what makes these ppl think that there were no creativity back then???
It's a time period thing.... certain times= certain game animals to be hunted and different techniques for skinning and hunting...add to it different tribes add their own little touches and pass down the skills to their kids... You'd be surprised certain point types were used for thousands of years without much change.. however there are differences.. where I live daltons from near the end of their use had clipped and thinned basal corners that would twist up the base and are near impossible to recreate by modern knappers
Hello, Ummm 2nd opinion please... This man Took a notch out of this Woman... The material say 10,000 50,000 may look different... Pebble Rock v Chert came from the ground holds its shape... Found in the water could most likely came back from the ground and High water...
The flaking of that repoduction was meant to look like late archaic to woodland type.. 3000 to 1500 years old...but the stem was all wrong for that type and didn't have the same type of flaking .... The knapper who made it isn't very experienced.
The point would've been in the creek bank for hundreds of years first... the minerals get imbeded into the micro cracks as well as the discoloration from oxidation
As soon as I saw how big the basal stem was I knew it was funny... Large blades like that usually have non flaring bases.....the thinning on the base was also unusual... Given that it's meant to be a adena type point it should be incredibly thin.. I do not know why the authenticator chose to compare it to a early archaic point when the repoduction was trying to look like a woodland adena type but hey I guess that's the one he brought to the meeting......It looks to be extremely water worn so maybe someone put it into a rock tumbler to be polished? It's always possible that a modern knapper back in the early 1900s made it and it found it's way into the creek but I doubt it.
😂 unfortunately it was modern which means it was made in the last 250 years which means its real smh you can tell by the notches and the flaking and most of all how thick they are most of these fake ones are thick and have repetitive flaking and the tail wont match the point or era
It isn't real. As a collector for 60 years...for every whole artifact I find...I find 100...maybe 200 that isn't. I find 3...maybe 4 tops each year complete. I have searched waterways. I find far more in the fields. What I do find in waterways...tons of chert. Look...people...do the God damned math. How old is the waterway? How old is the artifact?
Davidstick I feel so privileged and honored to be able to listen to the rantings of an idiot like yourself . Keep making up b. s. Mr. expert . I look forward to hearing your next blazing revelation .
I don't accept the results either. Were there Indians in KY in the middle 1800s? Perhaps it was made then. People used what they had, regardless of what was known to exist in their times, right? I mean, it's the same today.
It's possible... HOWEVER.. the type the point was modeled after is VERY much trying to look like a point type from 3000 to 1500 years ago.. with adena type flaking and a woodland shape... it doesn't add up especially give the oversized base...not to mention natives from the mid 1800s would've been using iron for knives and spears.. it looks like a reproduction i would see in a roadside pawn shop..
There's a burgeoning RUclips industry around arrowhead hunting. I've seen enough of them to know many, and maybe most, are staged. They have to regularly have big finds to remain successful on YT. It is illegal to collect in most places, due to federal laws, but there are _some_ loopholes in some states that allow water way finds, which is where these RUclipsrs are magically find all the worlds greatest points. They're clearly "salting the mine" so to speak. It appears to me that in some cases they're doing it months or maybe as much as a year in advance. I'm sure they lose some as part of that process.
The vast majority of states allow for water finds.. as long as you aren't digging out the banks and are on private property..and yeah you can tell when it's real by how people react when they find something that should be rare
It seems to me they would loose all their seeded points if they were in the stream for a year. But again I'm not an expert like yourself . Thanks for setting everyone straight 😂😂😂.
I am sorry to say this but not everything a professional tells you can be 100% correct he stated he been doing this since has was 11 years old. I know the age is not relevant here but he was born in the 21st century and nobody can know everything about the past history it's just not possible, I am not saying he is wrong but I am also saying he could be wrong, Due he making the statement that he has been doing this since was 11, He fits into the category that he has never found one like it, I care but I don't care when someone tells you that something is not real, like I have said nobody knows everything about the past and that means archeologist because the archeologist profession is not that old and everything that archeologist have learned was mostly in field work and not every site is the same not every past person was the same not every tribe was the same they all have differences some are big and some could be small and what's happen is since they have so many differences archeologist have combined them so it's not so confusing to be taught to the younger geologist and or archeologist students. My case in point is we did not come from Apes because if that was the case why are there still primates in the world today, If we came from the Ape family none of them should still exists. This is why I can't believe what scientist are trying pull and this is another way it makes it easier for them to write books on evolution. If you believe in God then evolution as it's written by scientist is all lies and is being taught in school to our children and since this is happening it's causing a ripple affect because now a days less and less children are not believing that God really exists anymore and look how our world has turn out it's full of hatred. You see the hatred playing out all over the news and on you tube.
It is real. who seeds a creek? is he calling her a liar? This guy knows nothing of creekfoound artifacts. Did he offer you 20 bucks? 2nd opinion says 2 grand. What a load of bunk from this scammer professional.
That's 100 % correct I'm in west Virginia and a few of the guys around take the modern made arrow heads like ur asking about and make authentic bows from the old Indian days and have made t pees as well from deer hides and clothing
That guy has been doing that for a loooong time and he can't stand when people bring him fake stuff.... It devalues real points and makes it harder for collectors ... and he's a collector so he's gonna tell you what he thinks regardless of if it's gunna hurt some feelings
Hit the wrong key, but also as an archaeologist I don't believe that the edges has much to do with identifying a fake or genuine artifact. But the edges, the tip, and overal condition is a big clue. If everything about it is extremely sharp and you know the point type or name, a modern or fake is almost always oversized. The bigger, the easier it is to quickly manufacture. Projectile points maybe thousand of years old and they will show irregularities just tumbling along in a water channel and the source it came from usually is miles away. I'mm just saying.
Chert cannot be carbon dated. Carbon 14 testing is only for (once) living (thus carbon based) materials. There must be some of the organics remaining, so completely fossilized living things are not candidates either.
If you got a good spot and some video watching phone zombi shows up its a lot funnier than you'd think to watch them dig for days trying to find that big cash after they make a to good to be true find .
Creeks finds don't always have silt and dirt built up. I feel the experts don't always know what they're talking about.
most of the time they are cleaner than any field find
You're doing good work by taking care of our creeks and rivers. You will be rewarded. Keep looking down and a real one will find you.
Not fake! They're probably trying to rip her off and take it!
Hey friend nice to meet you here
That's real. The fresh crushing can come from turning over other rocks during heavy rains. I have found a few that size and almost identical in shape. Those creek arrowheads are much darker and the flaking is stained to match. Many of those are buried in clay just like effigy pieces. You can see effigy pieces In the creek water.
yeah he is a hack.
30 years experience as a native American artifact hunter and I've never seen someone find a fake, it just doesn't happen. Plenty of fakes on ebay, not in a creek. This guy is a fake.
Who salts a creek with fake points? And why?
Exactly and WHY do you need authenticity checked on a personal find anyway!! Especially if she found it in the creek with witnesses!! 🥴 no reason for trying to fool anyone, it’s not an expensive artifact as a collecting value to start with .. excellent personal find tho
We were told afterwards that there is an individual who searches for points in this area and has been known to plant fake points so that he can tell if anyone else has been out searching in the same spots.
@@KentuckyAfield that is someone who has a unhealthy obsession with points.
@@KentuckyAfield DANG that guy is serious.... I've never heard of anyone that nutty for points, but I guess maybe he's trying to throw people off track from his good honey holes... you should check that area every time it floods to beat him to the points.. he wouldn't salt that area if there weren't good points there
Archaeologists in my area have salted an area with fake points, and other modern artifacts, to measure the movement of the artifacts over time. They wanted to see how much weather, erosion, and animals move the items. It’s actually not that outlandish.
“It’s fake.” “It could’ve been made a hundred years ago”
It sounds like nonsense. When talking about arrowheads, fake just means it isn't an authentic Native America artifact. It is a REAL arrowhead, but a fake native artifact.
in all the videos i've watched on YT of people finding arrowheads, they are all finding points that are thousands of years old. not 100 years old.100 years ago no one in this country needed to make an arrowhead to hunt with in order to survive. he's clearly saying that it isn't an artifact from thousands of years ago. if the expert in this video were an indian, or literally anything other than a White man, you would've accepted what he said.
@@jq7323it's not an arrowhead, and it is a real artifact
The smoothness test may work for this type of flint but some arrowheads are not always smooth feeling.
I have searched for points all my life & if the story is true or unless someone is pulling a prank, it's real. I found one in a creek once & it was so perfect & clean, I put it in my mouth & got out of the water took it out of my mouth & cried. When something has been rolling down a creek it's going to have marks. There are once in a lifetime finds.
Why did yall get that person to look at it????
If i found a 100 year old point whether an arrowhead , spear point, knife or tool I would be very happy.
Now she'll give this epic point to her kids to play with.
I'm no expert but I'd say that's real. It's a blade not a spear point
So someone just made this and threw it in a creek??? I'm not sure I agree with the expert.
The expert has examined thousands of finds. He says this is a modern reproduction based on his education and experience. That's good enough for me. I think a more intriguing question is the woman calling attention to herself, claiming she found this in a creek. No previous experience with artifacts, but talks about the base, and the pronounced stem. I feel for the experts confronted with stories, and dubious finds.
It's obviously fake.
Prob sum deez kids playin n crick tryn to spear a fish wit it. Prob bought down n smilies as souvenir shop
He did say it could be a hundred years old
Yeah, sadly it happens more often than people may realize... Some people have a sick sense of humor lol...
better get a second opinion on that....
Back in the 60's a marina owner by the name of Felix owned a marina at the mouth of Stearns bayou on the Grand River. He used to buy all the Indian arrowheads the area kids "found" in the area. There was a steady stream of "finds" until one day one of them showed the marina owner how he could make an arrowhead in a short time. He setup right in the marina and made one before his eyes. After that Felix ceased buying arrowheads. I approached him with a box of arrowheads and he asked me the following question...."How old are your arrowheads?" Surprised by his question I hesitated. Before I could speak he picked up his little dog and said..."I'll bet they're about as old as this dog." Actually he was wrong, they were younger than his dog.
So, it a "new" point found in a creek with a polished surface that is caused by being in the creek a long time?...not sure I agree with the expert.
There will be deposits on it from the marine life
i have a pyrite fools gold dusted hopewell point mako shark teeth and graphite plummet all from same mound site. i know where the pyrite came from and the graphite from north carolina and shark teeth from florida. found in indiana .
Being from the KY. and WVA area I have never seen a spear head that big. But even if it were only 100 years old doesn't mean it was a reproduction because that wasn't available at that time. I don't 100% agree with the expert here on this one.
There is nothing fake about that hopewell point
I agree; and I am a point authenticator. You can't compare a (Woodland) Hopewell culture stemmed knife to an Early Archaic Thebes knife and draw conclusions due to thickness. Fake Clovis points are commonly outed by being too thick, but I know of no such restrictions on the thickness of Woodland points. There is actually nothing too surprising about a 4.5" stemmed knife being 13.5 mm thick. I have many dozens of plainly authentic 2-3" long stemmed points that are about that thick. Most creek found points do not present with mineral deposits. The ones that usually help with authentication are manganese oxide and iron oxide mineral deposits that appear as small very dark 3d mounds that are firmly adhered to the surface. I see them on less than 25% of creek finds from North Mississippi. (They also don't show well on a black surface). There is no particular value to looking for crevice dirt/minerals on creek finds. (Even for land finds, it is actually the debris under hinge lids that is of value.) Fresh "crushing" is a key diagnostic of fake points; but that is certainly best determined by looking at the notches. I didn't see him studying them, and a pretty clear look at one notch (at 4:59 of the video) appears to be pretty good and free of crushing. The thing to look for on the surface of the blade is hinge fractures. They tend to release on ancient points, and if not, to patinate over where they no longer show translucency due to the thinness of the chert "hinge lid" (the lid still being there, but becoming opaque due to oxidation). Creek found points will show "creek polish" and the effects of tumbling in the water for perhaps hundreds of years. That would be studied both by eye and what the authenticator calls his "feel test". He doesn't say anything about the feel of the point and, of course, I haven't had the opportunity of in person inspection. This particular "point" (it is a knife) to me presents as authentic on the video (for what that's worth). While it is certainly possible that someone planted a reproduction, I doubt that is one of those situations.
I've seen some very nice paleo stuff found here in eastern Ky
I call BS on his evaluation now how in the heck did that point get down there? He probably offered he $10 for it after the camera went away!?
I totally disagree with this man's opinion.yes the point looks off and modern, but he never brought up air pockets, I believe the point is odd but real.
Obsidian is sharper than a scalpel
Giants were real, that crushing could've happened by it tumbling in a flow down the river , and she probably cleaned it before she brought it. That thing is real.and it's a Giants arrowhead.
I was actually shocked thst guy said that, in fact i went and looked it up in Overstreet book, i have several, its in Ninth Edition on page 409 top of page. and in Tenth Edition page 414... size is big like yours. same base, same flaking!
this really bothered me, had too say something!!
I've seen points that size. Just bc you've never seen one doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
That’s what I’m saying, we’re still finding stuff we didn’t know about. And private collections can be better than a museums collection, so comparing your specimen to one of theirs might not be as helpful as comparing to more and better examples in private collections.
I think you really need someone different then him to check it out I honestly don't believe he truly knows his stuff sorry but I'd get second opinion
under the scope he saw the words, made in taiwan
Hecho en México
I've found several modern made reproduction points in fourty years of hunting....I think modern knappers sometimes salt areas for kids and relatives to "find" an incredible piece....I agree with the expert.....as soon as I saw this blade it didn't look authentic....
yeah that base is way too big and flared out with that weird thinning strike
I've never done it, but I have thought about doing it to a field my friends hunt. I took a newbie hunting and dropped one in front of him once, but he didn't see it. He walked past it four times before my other friend got tired of leading him in circles and picked it up.
@@yustolmyname I did the same thing to a guy that would go to artifact shows and then act like he found them. He would dance around and the whole act . Working on a large tree farm ,he would do this in front of about eight of us. I've been collecting surface finds for 40 + years and became moderately skilled at knapping. So I knapped five points and placed them in his direction of travel, dirt on them ,pressed into the ground. Everyone knew he was a bullshitter so everyone was in on it .About an hour after having found the points I placed, I handed him a sheet of paper with a tracing of all the points he found. His demeanor changed drastically as he gave me a look of extreme disappointment. Everyone laughed, so I said quit planting your own points, with a grin. After that all his points were legit. Kinda felt bad doing that, but it got tiresome.
The tip would have been broken if it spent any time in the river bed.
Why would a reproduction be in a creek? As the comment below says a creek find might not have silt or I suppose even mineral deposits could be dissolved off of the point as well. I wonder about all of that? If I had found that point in the creek I would have never even considered it to be fake.
Who would go through the trouble to make this just to have it end up in a creek like that. The design did look suspect though.
I forgot the same factory was cranking out the same sized arrow heads for all the families of all tribes. There is a chance the river, sand, or possibly a life form ocould’ve cleaned it.
The crushing wouldn't still be there though
Unless the opening guy is standing on plush carpet, he's one tiny finger fumble away from a shattered point .😮
IT WAS IN THE WATER?!!!!? No silt possible??
So someone made this to throw into a stream, time spent making it just to toss in a stream? Please!
I have found points in a sand field that were smooth as glass, but this field is flooded with fast moving water everyother year!! Experts?
"IT IS A FAKE, SO I'LL JUST KEEP IT AND GET IT OFF YOUR HANDS, I AM A NICE GUY LIKE THAT."
YES-SIR-REE-BILLY-BOB-TAIL!!!!!!!
calichie is the term I think Eric was looking for, the type style is nice nice Thebes Eric brought with him ... people often put fakes on sandbars to see if someone is hunting the area fyi
thats just a scummy thing to do i feel like. especially if they dont own the land.
Just doesn't add up. I think the "pro" was trying to cheat her
He doesn't know what he's talking about. Bet he made he a low ball offer. Not a FAKE. HE'S THE FAKE
Looks to Perfect to me?
Looks like a barbed hardin... early archaic. Get a second opinion on this point.
Doesn't have the flaking of a Hardin... It has random flaking with pressure on the edges like a adena would have... but it doesn't have an adena shape and the base is waaaay too big to be a hardin
@@darkkingastos4369 doesn't have flaking of a Hardin lol, natives busted out alot of quick stuff. This "spear point"is actually a knife
I think that’s real, I mean cmonnn, she probably went home gotta a toothbrush and cleaned the thing off, that’s why there’s no silt in the cracks like bruhhh. I do that points I find… clean them up all nice.
With over 55 yrs of hunting and collecting i beleave most on internet are fake . They are easy to spot . Knew this was a fake as soon as I seen it . Creek finds dontclook like that .
Who in the world would throw a "fake" arrowhead in a creek!?
Fact is,modern man doesn't know everything about history. Much of its a guess based on opinion.
A hundred year old arrow head is still old.
Base looked off for sure, still neat tho
look up hopewell point in overstreet, same!! i have 6 overstreets and as soon as i saw it i knew whst it was.. I've had several and still own one that big
It would be cruel to put a reproduction where someone would probably find it and think it’s real. An older friend of mine has one in his collection that he found that looks fake to me. I have heard of people doing this type of thing though.
I did this for my parent. They’re elderly and came to visit. They’ve looked for them their entire life and never found one. I snuck a reproduction into their sifter and let them have the best day of their life. Do I feel guilty? Yes. Absolutely. Was my parent ever going to find a real one before they became too old to wade a creek all day? Absolutely not. I wouldn’t consider what I did cruel, but I also had a specific person in mind to find it, and we didn’t leave it behind.
LASERS????
That arrowhead in question, is too big to be in a river bed, and still have its point in-tact.
Maybe if it was found in a tomb, or in a grave... not chert in a river bed.
You'll find arrowheads on the river banks, pooled up around the base of trees, and the dirt will be sandy.
Mais! It's crawfish cheap!
Where ypu from? South of I-10
I posted a very large stone artifact that I discovered in a dry desert wash and then right away it's being called a geofact.
I know Giants roomed the 4 corners in the past history and because of the Love Lock Cave being so close to where this artifact was found history has pretty much washed almost everything under the rug about Giant Indians pasts presents.
Viewing just a video can not tell you it's just a geofact as I can see by what has taken place as I watched this video it's true although archeologist most likely have never encountered such a specimen type of a artifact they also may disregard it as not being a authentic piece of Giant Indians History due to archeologists never having had the opportunity of finding one of these in person.
I don't like saying this but it's hard to believe that what I have found would be considered just a geofact since it shows that it has been modified by a ancient person from the past.
It's very easy to dismiss something that you in person have never discovered before, I also hate to say that what I found will be covered up because it seems that almost all archeologist want to and or are told to hide anything from the past about that giant Indians really existed.
My discoveries are proof that Giant Indians existed my discoveries started around the Cave Creek area and then I made more discoveries south of the Tucson area.
Both of these discoveries were found near some sort of water sources, to me that's a big sign that Giants lived in these areas in the past water is all part of life.
My second discover is Rock artifact tools and I do also have some of them posted as well on my channel.
I started a year ago posting some of my finds but it was not until 4 to 6 months ago I started getting more and more noticed and lots more views and along came the haters.
You have a wild imagination.
That's not a spear point, Native Americans didn't use spears. Anything over 1½" would be a blade. What you found is definitely a knife blade it's too big and heavy to travel on an arrow or an atlatl.
I’d get a second opinion.
Very good
Definitely get a second opinion.
I do not agree with this mans opinion.. that’s exactly what it is is HIS opinion. Knowing where it was found.. in a creek by a none Collector or relic hunter..no reason to pass a fake as real.. what about water polish and staining!! Artifacts and points tumble in a creek will have fresh fractures and there won’t be hardly any patina and you will see fresh scars or crushing. Which leaves it looking freshly made. I’ve collected artifacts since 1968 and I’ve seen and handled some of the top collections in the country. Does that make me an expert HELL NO, but I’ve have my hands on thousands upon thousands of Authentic artifacts and have hosted many artifact shows and learned a long time ago.. no one is 100% on their authentication ASK ANY REAL COLLECTOR. Get a second opinion trust me!!
"CRAWFISH"!!!!! not "CRAYFISH"!!!!!
It's actually crayfish people later started saying crawfish and that's how I say it too.
that sucks who the hell would do that
Atleast we know hers came out of a creek his could have came from eBay
I don't believe it...
That being said, had I lived back then, I wouldn't have made arrow heads or spears like everyone else, my stuff would have been different than all the others, and what makes these ppl think that there were no creativity back then???
It's a time period thing.... certain times= certain game animals to be hunted and different techniques for skinning and hunting...add to it different tribes add their own little touches and pass down the skills to their kids... You'd be surprised certain point types were used for thousands of years without much change.. however there are differences.. where I live daltons from near the end of their use had clipped and thinned basal corners that would twist up the base and are near impossible to recreate by modern knappers
So artistic of you😂😂 these things were made for life and death. Not showing your friends
Hello, Ummm 2nd opinion please... This man Took a notch out of this Woman... The material say 10,000 50,000 may look different... Pebble Rock v Chert came from the ground holds its shape... Found in the water could most likely came back from the ground and High water...
The flaking of that repoduction was meant to look like late archaic to woodland type.. 3000 to 1500 years old...but the stem was all wrong for that type and didn't have the same type of flaking .... The knapper who made it isn't very experienced.
It was in moving water so minerals may not be there. Not Sure I trust his current Evaluation.
He’s doing that for show. He as well as I can look at it and instantly know it’s a pretty bad fake 😂
The point would've been in the creek bank for hundreds of years first... the minerals get imbeded into the micro cracks as well as the discoloration from oxidation
@Jearrod could you explane that to me so that I might understand your reasoning
As soon as I saw how big the basal stem was I knew it was funny... Large blades like that usually have non flaring bases.....the thinning on the base was also unusual... Given that it's meant to be a adena type point it should be incredibly thin.. I do not know why the authenticator chose to compare it to a early archaic point when the repoduction was trying to look like a woodland adena type but hey I guess that's the one he brought to the meeting......It looks to be extremely water worn so maybe someone put it into a rock tumbler to be polished? It's always possible that a modern knapper back in the early 1900s made it and it found it's way into the creek but I doubt it.
That’s a real spearhead! He’s talking rubbish!!!
Unfortunately this is a fake. as a favor to you I will keep it for you. 😁
I disagree with this expert! No one would make a point and throw it in a creek!
😂 unfortunately it was modern which means it was made in the last 250 years which means its real smh you can tell by the notches and the flaking and most of all how thick they are most of these fake ones are thick and have repetitive flaking and the tail wont match the point or era
Oh, that stinks! Such a beautiful find.
It isn't real. As a collector for 60 years...for every whole artifact I find...I find 100...maybe 200 that isn't. I find 3...maybe 4 tops each year complete. I have searched waterways. I find far more in the fields. What I do find in waterways...tons of chert. Look...people...do the God damned math. How old is the waterway? How old is the artifact?
Davidstick I feel so privileged and honored to be able to listen to the rantings of an idiot like yourself . Keep making up b. s. Mr. expert . I look forward to hearing your next blazing revelation .
It’s real
It’s still cool 👍🏻
I don't accept the results either. Were there Indians in KY in the middle 1800s? Perhaps it was made then. People used what they had, regardless of what was known to exist in their times, right? I mean, it's the same today.
It's possible... HOWEVER.. the type the point was modeled after is VERY much trying to look like a point type from 3000 to 1500 years ago.. with adena type flaking and a woodland shape... it doesn't add up especially give the oversized base...not to mention natives from the mid 1800s would've been using iron for knives and spears.. it looks like a reproduction i would see in a roadside pawn shop..
There's a burgeoning RUclips industry around arrowhead hunting. I've seen enough of them to know many, and maybe most, are staged. They have to regularly have big finds to remain successful on YT. It is illegal to collect in most places, due to federal laws, but there are _some_ loopholes in some states that allow water way finds, which is where these RUclipsrs are magically find all the worlds greatest points. They're clearly "salting the mine" so to speak. It appears to me that in some cases they're doing it months or maybe as much as a year in advance. I'm sure they lose some as part of that process.
The vast majority of states allow for water finds.. as long as you aren't digging out the banks and are on private property..and yeah you can tell when it's real by how people react when they find something that should be rare
It seems to me they would loose all their seeded points if they were in the stream for a year. But again I'm not an expert like yourself . Thanks for setting everyone straight 😂😂😂.
Giants were real..
What about the weird letters on the bottom🤔 looks like a K an M an A and maybe RT🤷♂️
I,do
Fake or not id keep it!!!! He could be wrong!!!
It's a piece of rock. It isn't possible to date it. You can make an educated guess. But that all you can do at this point. Good video.
LOL 🤣 SMH....
That expert doesn't know what he is talking about. That thing is real as it gets.
I am sorry to say this but not everything a professional tells you can be 100% correct he stated he been doing this since has was 11 years old. I know the age is not relevant here but he was born in the 21st century and nobody can know everything about the past history it's just not possible, I am not saying he is wrong but I am also saying he could be wrong, Due he making the statement that he has been doing this since was 11, He fits into the category that he has never found one like it, I care but I don't care when someone tells you that something is not real, like I have said nobody knows everything about the past and that means archeologist because the archeologist profession is not that old and everything that archeologist have learned was mostly in field work and not every site is the same not every past person was the same not every tribe was the same they all have differences some are big and some could be small and what's happen is since they have so many differences archeologist have combined them so it's not so confusing to be taught to the younger geologist and or archeologist students.
My case in point is we did not come from Apes because if that was the case why are there still primates in the world today, If we came from the Ape family none of them should still exists.
This is why I can't believe what scientist are trying pull and this is another way it makes it easier for them to write books on evolution.
If you believe in God then evolution as it's written by scientist is all lies and is being taught in school to our children and since this is happening it's causing a ripple affect because now a days less and less children are not believing that God really exists anymore and look how our world has turn out it's full of hatred.
You see the hatred playing out all over the news and on you tube.
People will do anything for a dollar ....
It is real. who seeds a creek? is he calling her a liar? This guy knows nothing of creekfoound artifacts. Did he offer you 20 bucks? 2nd opinion says 2 grand. What a load of bunk from this scammer professional.
spear head not arrow. and its still real someone made it. not like a machine did.
Lol. Not an arrow or spear head.. a blade If it were real. My people call it a knife.
it's the fakers who force people to have to pay to have points authenticated.. I can not stand for no fakin
“Nope it’s fake! Ya wanna sell it?” Joker! No way it could’ve got stuck in the mud and preserved 😂. Probably works for the Smithsonian
It’s Fake
It's definitely not the greatest find ever by far lol
All arrowheads are "real" would anyone know where to go to find the value of newly made arrowheads?
eBay, type "Arrowhead modern made" in the search bar. There's also a category for modern arrowheads/ flintknapping if you can find it.
That's 100 % correct I'm in west Virginia and a few of the guys around take the modern made arrow heads like ur asking about and make authentic bows from the old Indian days and have made t pees as well from deer hides and clothing
I knew it was fake looks so new come-on.
False. This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about
That guy has been doing that for a loooong time and he can't stand when people bring him fake stuff.... It devalues real points and makes it harder for collectors ... and he's a collector so he's gonna tell you what he thinks regardless of if it's gunna hurt some feelings
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Hit the wrong key, but also as an archaeologist I don't believe that the edges has much to do with identifying a fake or genuine artifact. But the edges, the tip, and overal condition is a big clue. If everything about it is extremely sharp and you know the point type or name, a modern or fake is almost always oversized.
The bigger, the easier it is to quickly manufacture. Projectile points maybe thousand of years old and they will show irregularities just tumbling along in a water channel and the source it came from usually is miles away. I'mm just saying.
My brother Eddie made that Arrowhead he throws them in creeks to get old for people to find them and sell them to buyers
😂😂
Get a second opinion and have it carbon dated!
Chert cannot be carbon dated. Carbon 14 testing is only for (once) living (thus carbon based) materials. There must be some of the organics remaining, so completely fossilized living things are not candidates either.
Awesomeness😀
Yeah good try honey people will try anything you should be ashamed of yourself i am a old arrowhead hurter here from VA both of you knew it
The big one is fake
Looks like a spearhead? I can't wait till the end this is before guess
Well dang I missed it
If you got a good spot and some video watching phone zombi shows up its a lot funnier than you'd think to watch them dig for days trying to find that big cash after they make a to good to be true find .
You're doing good work by taking care of our creeks and rivers. You will be rewarded. Keep looking down and a real one will find you.