I have a question is emanator stronger the normal herrscher or not because at the beginning I though that emanators are way stronger then a normal herrscher but then I remember that every herrscher we fight in hi3 is practically attack and kill after some minutes or day of her birth so they never get to their max level power at all and we now from a fact that the herrscher of the void - Kiana mentioned this can travel the entire world and she say that she doesn’t now if the authority of the void could take her from the moon to mars or venues but with the shot is clear that the normal herrscher authority’s can became stronger not at the level of finality of curse but close to origin but a little weaker so if you can answer this Question I would be really great full and aeons can’t destroy universes and this is a fact because they are bound to the universe they exist and here is a example put a glass of water in table and fill up with water add some small animals this animals life in the cup but they can get out or break it the same is for the aeons.
Can you do aether Power level(i mean same thing you did whit kiana) keep in mind that curent aether its complex multi wach aether vs saitama video for proofs
Its hard to Pinpoint Kiana on the Star rail powerscaling, not only lorewise but also communitywise. If they put an honkai impact 3rd character instantly as an Aeon (potentiall playable) most Star Rail players would probably dont understand it. But if they put her too low in the power chart, the Hi3 Community would go wild.
@@freeze4728 well the story tents to that at the moment anyway xD but would you want a game collab where out of nowhere that collab character suddenly becomes the most powerful character in the game ?
@@azrael7582 If the collab character would be: Unplayable Antagonist: Farmable boss battle for mats. Playable Character: At least useful If not then collection. In the end all of these enemy aeons would get obliterated anyway either by The Trailblazer or Kiana Kaslana there is no other choice. ~Welt Yang
@@freeze4728 yeah, well, but at the moment we dont really know what the goal of (potential) Part 1 of HSR is, what they hinted is the fight against Nanook, or all Aeons with the alliance with Jingliu I would love to get kiana in HSR, because she is my number 1 in the entire hoyoverse
It's not that hard for powerscaling. Lore a little bit difficult since you have to know the lore and understand it and comparing all of it etc. And the last one is the easiest, for not catter to anyone.
4:50 Emanators differ in power. Different emanators wield different fractions of the power of a respective Aeon. My guess is that cocoon was a really strong emanator of Finality meaning that by harnessing it's power she will become a really strong emanator of finality. As for cocoon having an emanator power this assumption is based on the fact that Acheron world facing IX perished without having a chance
Exactly, while Kiana may have a rank of Emanator, that doesn't mean her power level is the same as other emanators. If anything, it would be easier to compare her power level to other Aeons than to other emanators. Edit: I wouldn't exactly call CoF an emanator given that in HSR we are told that Terminus the Finality is an Aeon that has not yet been "born" or come into being despite the path itself existing. And given that CoF is a "Cocoon," well...
@aloneft9300 Yes. CoF has been alive longer than Aeons and has ended countless worlds/star systems throughout the Imaginary Tree according to the manga.
@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 HI3 has pretty sus manga. A lot of it contradicts things we have in game. I wouldn't use manga as reliable source unless it's something like a 2nd eruption manga. Genshin has some sus stuff in their manga too, for exmple in one of the chapter mora doesn't exist, while it should according to timeline so not every manga is lore accurate. Coccoon ended Venus and Mars civilisation which are still within the HI3 solar system.
There's bound to have plotholes if we compare the story between Hi3rd and HSR, Hi3rd was most likely made without having HSR (or even Genshin) in mind.
Yes but HSR was made with genshin and honkai in mind. Yes i say genshin. Genshin has always been honkai coded just... Subtly. But with HSR lores like the Baal drink description. And sovereign dragons reincarnating like the vidhiara. Fake sky. Imaginary suspiciously not being there as well as quantum.. Eventhough they are on the imaginary tree.. (Thats like not being able to find sand in a desert. ) And also the fact that all elements are created from imaginary.. Yet imaginary as a whole is not there.
@@BlueCHMA Actually from the new archon quests it is known that all elements came from light (technically imaginary but has nothing to do with the tree) and the abyss is actually the sea of quanta. (Primordial chaos). Watch Ashikai’s new theory
@@dippndolphin8279 One of the monsters in the Natlan 5.1 quest has a description that says that. "It has tree like features because it tries to imitate the world it is descending to". That implies that some of the Abyss monsters are from outside the Imaginary tree. I dont remember quite well, if the Sea of Quanta is considered to be inside, or outside the imaginary tree, but if it is outside, well maybe Flogiston/light is imaginary and Abyss is quantum
Star Rail takes place no earlier than 2029 because that's when the present portion of the Alien Space manga takes place. Based off of that, I would say Star Rail takes place in late 2029 or the 2030's.
The world of Hi3 exists outside of Star Rail, Welt itself implies that there is no way to access Earth easily and that he depends on the Astral Express (with the power of Aeon Akivili) or the geniality from Herta to at least be able to communicate with Kiana and the rest of his family. In short, the Star Rail universe (what we have records of) is very different and each bubble world has its own date, and the expanded universe has records of up to more than 200,000 years (which was when there were Wars that Aeons like Ena & Qlipoth participated in).
@@Henryfs. True, but I'm talking from the view of honkai impact's main earth. For them, Welt left in 2029 or later, and for the star rail universe, he arrived around 2157 AE.
@@Henryfs. Hi3 is part of star rail cosmos. Its just isolated because of cocoon. Now that kiana is processing the authority slowly, the barrier is waning. Memokeeper said it's an area that has not yet been reached by the influence of aeons then ask what's governing the area. Memokeeper has no knowledge of the cocoon despite memokeepers being the closest to library of the cosmos given their search of 'memories'. This means that cocoon managed to be hidden or eliminate everyone that knew of it even though it's confirmed to be older than majority of aeons like qlipoth. It has been enveloping the solar system even during the aeon wars meaning it had the capacity to fend of foreign attacks and/or hide. Even though kiana has just started learning the power of cof, she already is at least emanator level
But the Aeon of Finality is Terminus, not Kiana. Also Terminus exists backwards in time, as in: THEY where born at the end of all things, and is moving back to our timeline. So unless Kiana in the HSR timeline managed to ascend to Aeonhood at the very end of existence itself, chose a new name, and is now moving backwards in time, I don't think she'll reach Aeonhood.
BUT YOUR using HSRs logic, your forgetting that hi3 HAS THEIR OWN world building, with literally Kiana acting as an anchor to CONNECT a dying UNIVERSE to the main timeline so that it won't die, LITERALLY GGZ has multiple finalities and your insinuating that only one finality can exist?? Your forgetting that literally KEVIN was the first herrscher of finality in the current era while Kiana was also given the role of finality??
Terminus and finality is definitely NOT finality that is established in ggz and hi3. And its a translation error. There can not be any emanator, or aeon of finality, or any path of it either. Kiana is the only one who successfully embraced the cocoon of finality, no one else ever has.
If Kiana would be only Emanator level. What Emanator shoots across the bubble dimension to kill a singluar beeing, pinpoint (Well thanks to Prom for the coordinates of SA) Still feel, Kiana is not yet, at her full potential of being Finality. Especially she is in hibernation/deep sleep when the Memokeeper "infiltrated" her dream just like that. Seeing Kiana's appareance, could be just a projection of herself. And she isn't even awake but still emits a "wave" like an Emanator. Kiana even refuses to let the Memokeeper look fully into her memories, which I can totally agree on and understand. So the Memokeeper cant 100% tell how strong Kiana is. And can't forget that Herrscher of the End/Finality is capable of destroying worlds single handedly. I'm just curious of what Kiana will be with full potential of her powers. Also, not into context of above. Good luck on getting 10k subs! Keep up the good work and keep up your passion of making content!
Thats something lan could do pretty easily, lan being not as powerful as some others aeons since its path is the narrowest (the hunt), and the wider the path, the more powerful
What Kiana shot should be Pluto, or at least a dwarf planet in the similar or further distance away Also Bubble World's aren't that large compared to how everyone actually thinks of them as Universes, Bubble World's are just small pocket dimensions created by Finality resets a world, with fragments of that reset being known as Bubble World's, so technically speaking, a Bubble World could only be the size of the planet that it fragmented from, but the largest cap that we know of, or the largest one that we currently know is at least the size of Europe/Continent
Also another think is, Emanators is at least solar system levels of power in a minimum and the strongest should be Galaxy Level of Power, and it has been said that this is just small fragments of power that the Aeons gave to there chosen followers, making it so that the Aeons themselves should be even more powerful and busted than there Emanators I would say that Kiana is at least in the middle of the pact in Emanator power scaling though simply because we saw little of her newfound feats and she is still training as well, so she should become stronger in the future with her training coming along
I think the Memokeeper thinks Kiana as atleast Emanator power due to her having immense power even though she's merely a human since Herrschers are beyond of her knowledge (cause you know, the isolation and stuff)
Looking at the entire context of that Memokeeper scene is important. This is a Kiana who is still in a dream and yet with her will/whim alone created waves on par with an Emanator-- mind you she is not even stated to be using the Authority of Finality proper while doing so or any of her other authorities. In other words, this is a casual showing from her. From other statements so far we also learn that the Aeons cannot gaze upon the HI3rd solar system likely because of the barriers surrounding it (Honkai Energy Tidal Zones) which themselves were possibly put in place by the Cocoon of Finality or some extension of the Honkai. So with that in mind-- at the moment we know Kiana can casually perform Emanator tier feats through her will alone and the full Cocoon is out here blinding the higher-dimensional Aeons to the existence of this particular solar system despite said Aeons being capable of traversing to the top of the Imaginary Tree, destroying the universe, and other such impressive feats they have in their collective lore. Whether or not Kiana herself at her maximum while using all of her authorities can box with an Aeon is still in question (It'd be a little weird since Aeons like IX aren't even physical beings), but at the moment the Lore seems to be leaning in the direction where she should be able to slap around most Emanators and isolate parts of space so thoroughly that not even Aeons can find it. Which at least implies some relativity. If you include statements made in HI3rd Part 1.5 by other characters then Kiana might be stronger since the Cocoon is stated to transcend all dimensions and that Kiana is said to be equal to the Cocoon outright whereas Aeons in their own game are Higher-Dimensional beings rather than a power beyond everything. Honestly, though, there is enough material out there to form good arguments for both sides. It will ultimately be up to Hoyo to provide some clarity. Be it through this collab or future content.
Well said 👍 Some people after seeing the current main story that Kiana is only Emanator level at max like bruh 😆 As of now, I do agree that currently she is an Emanator/Higher Emanator level. Just think of Goku's UI on the Manga, Mastered but not actually 100% mastered/perfected yet and can still become stronger.
@@Rhitzs Emanator or High Emanator is a pretty good level to be at imo especially without having to commit to a Path like other Emanators. She gets to be pretty strong while retaining her freedom (Ya know minus the whole part about having to be in the moon for ten years)
Wait where did they say aeon cannot gaze in honkai impact 3rd world? And is just bcz of honkai blocking the view? Also are aeons one of a kind are are their parallel version of then in each timeline? Since the are higher dimensional I guess they would be one of a kind able to effect multiple branches? Idk...
OK so its from a recent chapter. I got the tl: Beyond the interstellar barrier (Honkai energy tidal zones), which no human power can hope to overcome, the names of those incarnations of higher concepts have already echoed across the universe. Mortals praise THEIR name, kiss THEIR traces, follow THEIR path, and yearn for THEIR gifts. Through THEIR great power, intelligent beings can traverse the stars, embarking on their own journeys through the vast sea of stars." Nothing about aeon not being able to see honkai impact 3 solar system. Am I missing something?
@bluemoon9683 'Beyond those barriers, their names and concepts have long echoed throughout the universe'. Yet despite echoing throughout the entire universe they have yet to breach the Honkai barriers hence why there are no characters who follow their paths in the HI3rd Solar System. I believe that is the interpretation being used here. Later in that scene Vita says she is curious what will happen when they (Aeon) do look towards the sun though. So it might be more the case that the Cocoon of Finality can hide/be unseen but it won't be a permanent solution. Which maybe will lead to one of the Aeons getting involved in the plot of HI3rd. Who knows. There were certainly theories of Mytus and Shadow Dreamseeker being connected floating around.
It has explored imaginary tree according to alien key but unlike aeons it has zero influence on widee scale like aeons...it can travel imaginary tree but has zero feats of manipulating or having influence over imaginary tree on level of aeons...it has not had influence beyond hi3 earth anywhere
@@infamouspotato2028 That's...simply not true. It influences whatever star system it is in, which is why SA was hiding at the edge of the Solarsystem in the SoQ. It's ended countless worlds across the Imaginary Tree before even coming into the Solarsystem, where it took out the majority of the planets before even arriving at Earth, such as Venus, Mars, and others based on Kevin's vision from the moon arc. Earth was its final stop.
@@infamouspotato2028bruh otto alone disproves you. Bro could create yes create new branches in the imagonary tree with just a false god authority from the cocoon. An authority which the cocoon didnt even mind to take back lol.
Why is Aeon positioned as superior to Herrscher? Is it because Aeon has been confirmed to be able to destroy stars and galaxy while Herrscher can't even destroy Earth? I played and followed the story of Hi3 and HSR, but I don't feel like Herrscher is weaker than Aeon. As a long-time VSB fan, I understand quite well how power levels work. and therefore I understand that Herrscher is not unable to destroy Earth but because someone is stopping them. I'm talking about Flamechasers, Mantis, S-Rank Valkyrie, Divine Key and other Honkai technologies. Meanwhile, Aeon can do whatever they want because no one can stop them. Emanator, the second strongest, is still bound to Aeon. Even though there are those who try to fight Aeon like the "Alliance" in the end it's still just a "desire". Memokeeper said that Kiana's "Will" emits waves equivalent to Emanator. But I think that's just a crude metaphor from a lower existence trying to describe something it doesn't understand. Even the supposedly most talented Black Swan could misjudge Acheron, and a random Memokeeper trying to describe Kiana? That's ridiculous.
Because Aeons are concepts themselves personified, for example, Mythus the Enigmata is not the Aeon of Enigmata but is the Enigmata themself, Enigmata is a broad path that has mystery, subjective knowledge, fiction, dreams, art, creativity all under it, but in easy words, Mythus themself personifies the concepts of uncertainties, mysteries and possibilities, the path of Enigmata and Mythus are one and the same thing, thats why when a character says they follow the Erudition for example it automatically means they follow Nous, as Erudition = Nous, again personification and stuff, these is also why Aeons use the word "The" between there names and then there paths, like Fuli THE Remembrance in most in game text, or how there names are interchangable with there paths, like The Erudition blessed ___ which obviously is referring to Nous but instead of using there name they use The Erudition, meanwhile Herrschers and Archons are addressed with the titles of Herrscher OF Wind or God OF Freedom, where as they are just affiliated to the concept they do not personify it, Venti is not Freedom itself, unlike Aha who is Elation itself personified. Thats why they are more powerful, abstract and less human then most of the Archons and Herrschers, even if Herrschers awaken they are still human, if you cought them off guard they will surely die, Aeons in another case can't really die, as even if the personification dies the concept/path lives on, unless the path gets absorb by another Aeon in Ena's case. Also i think the design of the Herrschers and Aeons are enough of differentation, Aeons look eldritch and beyond human eg. Qlipoth is a huge space rock, Tazzyroth is a human insect hybrid, Lan is half human half horse, and Yaoshi has many hands, while Herrschers are just humans with different clothes and powers that can distort space or control wether, but they mostly don't operate in a grand scale. While Aeons can change the entire nature of existance itself, like Mythus could hide so many information about the universe if they like, they can also create organic life atleast according to SU G and G, produce dream bubbles, Fuli could erase the entire universe memories and control memoria, Nous could reveal the absolute truths of the cosmos and even predict the future via calculations using data from past and present, feats Herrschers are rarely shown or able to do atleast in in a massive scale as Aeons, as the Aeons literally help keep the balance in the imaginary tree by opposing each other but also allowing it to exist via the concepts they personify.
Herrschers do not personify anything they just act as prophets for the Honkai (Sirins' words herself in the manga), kinda like how Emanators are prophets of there Aeons.
@@crystaluwu1012There is a big difference between "Personification" and "Embodiment". Personification is an entity that is recognized or claims to be an embodiment of a certain concept based on its characteristic and actions, in the case of Aeon, let's call it Path. Then Embodiment is a concept that manifests itself. Aeon is in the category of "Personification". As you said even if Aeon dies, their Path still runs because they are just symbols. It is a big mistake to think that the authority of Aeon is absolute. While Herrscher are fragments of Finality, each of them representing nature and civilization. Basically they are also "Personification". And for Archon, let's ignore it because it is too pitiful to compare them with Aeon and Herrscher.
@@ichwan257 then may bad lols, its best to say embodiment but you get the concept, the Aeons personify/embody the very concept itself like, if you gave a house walking legs and ability to talk and do what they want kinda idea, instead for concepts, for example if you gave the concept/idea of remembering a body, a will and a mind, that is Fuli, same goes for Ena as they are the concept of order itself, Mythus the concept of mystery itself, Nous the concept of finding knowledge/searching for truth itself, while Herrschers are not the literal embodiments of there powers/domains, like you don't look me in the eye and tell me the wind and Wendy are the same person/thing just because Wendy is the Herrscher of Wind. The same doesn't apply to Aeons, as the concept of Elation when given a will is Aha itself. No you are wrong when you said when an Aeon 'dies' as death isn't really a thing for Aeons, when they say in game an Aeon dies, it means the embodiment/vessel is dead, meaning if Mythus were to die they will no longer appear in the universe as an abstract jellyfish with intricate staircase floating around them, but they are still alive through the Enigmata, as long as the Enigmata exist, Mythus also lives on, but no longer have any comprehensible physical form, they are just like these floating idea/energy in the cosmos, Aeons are the concept itself, thats why in Hsr you can hear The Remembrance and Fuli's name being used interchangeably used with each other and are synonyms. The only way an Aeon can truly die is if there path is completly dissolve or it gets absorbed by a much broader path.
Since Hoyo likes to incorporate myths as themes like Elysia with the 12 Fusion Warrior representing Christ and his twelve apostles, what are the chances of CoF and Kiana being the equivalent of Creation Lotus and Pangu with the Aeons being Chaos Demon Gods to be slain? The CoF being able to hide for so long and undetected is awfully too sus, as if it was waiting to cultivate someone capable of putting an "end" to everything... Nope, I don't wanna think of any more potential pits for Hoyo to commit another GGZ. Ignore my thoughts and move along.
Fun fact: The Finality in ''Path of Finality/Aeon of Finality'', and the Finality in ''Herrscher/Cocoon of Finality'' are not the same word in CN. For example: ''终末'' Is for The Aeon of Finality ''终需之律者'' Is for the Herrscher of Finality TLDR: ''终末'' is the common way to say "the end". ''终需'' can be roughly translate as "Final Requirement" which is very fitting in the context of honkai in hi3 So in my opinion, trying to connect the two at this moment simply because they have the word ''Finality'' in their titles is... pointless and incorrect.
Months ago when hsr was still new, ive already learned aeons were on average stronger then herrschers and people didnt believe me. Imo i think shes low aeon level we havent seen much from the aeons to know for sure. Not only her though, i believe kevin kaslana with finality and his mantis form is also low aeon level since they had the same power and even though he disnt master it it was clear he was holding back against their final battle which he was already at a disadvantage.
ppl still dont understand first of all cocoon of finality cant be a emanator of finality bc is a honkai thing ( a alien force) Finality aeon is a imaginary thing creadted by the tree Water can turn into ice but can’t turn into fire Kiana is actually far overpass emanator lvl, read the dialog again “With your will u make a wave like an emanator at the side star that got reflected on the our mirror” Or something like that the memorykeeper said She mention the side star part bc that was the shoot that kiana make at the mini planet on the border of the solar system (universe on eng translation lol) with one finger to fulminate SA on part 1.5, before kiana start asimilating honkai 10years ago That make a disaster on the time and reality so the memorykeeper see that on thier mirror That wasnt even 10% of her power That was kiana trying her best to control her power bc she disnt want to destroy the planet and sa represents only was just 5/100 kiana power Take in consideratiin that the cocoon was chilling in venus before any actual aeon exist Also like an aeon is a tree child Cocoon is a honkai child They are equal greather forces in honkai universe but honkai is a alien force that has no limitations unlike aeons with imaginary Cocoon alrdy: Manupulate multiple concepts Create things from nothing Recycle souls Revive death with no side effects Give inmortality Etc
Exactly. And WoH also isn't bound to anything. If the Aeons think of anything other than their paths, they basically die, thus also restricting their power to certain things. Like, Nanook can't create life, Xipe can't cause Chaos. IX can't want to do anything. WoH is basically an Aeon without any of the restrictions.
Off topic, but I'm more curious at whether or not the collab with Star Rail will be canon or not. It sure won't be canon in Honkai since any event that's happend prior to Part 2 is on different Leaf/Bubble. Star Rail so far hasn't shown a Doppelganger that's a 1:1. And no, Wolf and Bronya only share face. That's it
Until we see Kiana actually use her powers for something other than sniping Sa from light years away using very little power (Aeon of Hunt type feat) we don't actually know what she's capable of or her limits especially since Fu Hua wittled down Sa and Hare gave her coordinates to land the hit. She literally went to sleep soon after and hasnt been able to show off anything since, and unlike StarRail there weren't many planetary level threats running around to really show off what Finalitys capable of until after she fell asleep. Sure the writers could have had her casually had her destroy a planet from a different dimension like the cocoon would but thats not in Kianas character which is also a factor in why we haven't seen her do much. We still don't know what Kiana/Cocoon is capable of while we've already gotten feats from multiple Aeons. The story for the Aeons and Finality are written vastly differently with Finality being a much more mysterious primordial concept in both games so we wont get a definitive answer until maybe Apho 3 or 4 (def wont be in StarRail for a long time). Also should be noted that the scale of Impact started city level and has since slowly grown to multi universal, while StarRail started universal, which is why its harder to scale the two since Impact started smaller scale and is still expanding. It'll probably become more clear when Kiana wakes up and is fully fused with the cocoon, but until then it's kinda up in the air but leaning closer in Finalitys favor simply because of the mystery aspect and how StarRail treats the concept.
@@Kobalt_Rax_the_one thats not even her with the autority of finality, at that point Kevin still had it, after Kevin defeat she got the full autority and even more enbranced the CoF
Remember that it was said that Kiana did the shot with the less amount of energy or firepower with the goal of hit Sa but protecting the small planet, as Hua said, one minor deviation of the cordinates and power just the aftershock or wave of power could destroy the planet
Based on CN main story, not yet Aeon level since she's still processing CoFs authority. That said it's pretty obvious that CoF is at least aeon level(probably even above) since it single handedly shielded and hid earth's solar system from the aeon wars that happened so many trailblaze years ago. Sparkle managed to come to mars thanks to vita since now CoFs barrier is weaking due to Kiana processing it. Memokeeper probably chanced upon the solar system or followed the traces left by sparkle, idk. We're close to apho's timeline since sky people probably arrived when both kiana n cof were hibernating, thus the reason why bronya n mei are trying to contact kiana but no response
When you have to explain a power or a thing done by a fool, it also could be because they simply want to. They are so chaotic and intuitive that even know how to play the story game on which they are.
@@DusDusDus vita(starfarer) tried to go out of the solar system way back but was unable to coz of the barrier by CoF. Now she tried again but she opted on sending signals outside inviting others(sparkle). Thats how sparkle found her way even though its still quite isolated. Idk if i understood it properly since im still learning cn but i think sparkle invited her to the fools and she accepted.
@@therealestsparkle im just sayin it's laughable that 1% of her is comparable to buncha normal humans with insane tech ☠️🙏 for someone that's the herrscher of finality, i expect 1% to be absolutely incomparable to humans 😭
@@veranstratos so her being above someone who can slice through time, bend space, kill higher dimensionsal being ect is normal human level? Hi3 doesn't rely on destructive power, it's a more hax base verse
@@BluTru i've literally never said kiana = normal humans in hsr bruh ☠️ i said *WITH* insane tech (the laser cannon carried them IPC employees to planetary level cuz the said laser cannon is planetary) and you somehow concluded my words as "100% kiana = human level" ☠️ i know she's powerful but i expected her 1% laser to be stronger than mere man-made tech, that's all anyway, how strong is she compared to the herrschers kevin annihilated?
Eversince people started to compare the power-scalings between HI3 and HSR, my thought process was allways that "normal" herrschers are on emanator level (with decent controll of their powers such as HoT, HoR, HoS,...) and a HoF Kiana on Aeon level... back then, before the possibility of HI3 and HSR beeing within the same universe popped up, i was even one of the people who assumed that the Aeon of Finality Terminus could be a ver. of kiana in HSR... But with the conversation between Kiana and the Memokeeper aswell as Sparkle appearing in the HI3 main story, hinting at both games beeing set in the same universe, i now belive that kiana (even after mastering her HoF powers) would be considered Emanator level... heck, i can even see the Cocoon of Finality originally a former Emanator of Finality before "embracing" kiana and granting her it'S authority, turning her into its "emanator"-like avatar in for of the Herrscher of Finality.. I also want to point that when i say "emanator level", i mean to say that she would be catogorized as an Emanator by HSR terms/standards as introducing a potential Aeon level character who wields the authority of Finality into HSR where there already exists an in universe well known Aeon of Finality, would only lead to extreme comfusion for those who have not played or interacted with HI3... I can see and wish for kiana to be Aeon level (part of me still wants her to be Terminus or a alt future version of Terminus, as Termius is all about traveling against time from the future) but the most likely scenario will be her just being labeled as the strongest Emanator every, having been granted an immense portion of the Aeon of Finality's powers and allmost riveling the paths Aeon...
Huh? Hinting? The devs states years ago they're creating a multiverse Welt from HSR is literally Welt from HI3 who traveled through to save Himeko from The Sky People (in HSR he calls them The Ones Above) which is why she's alive and with him.
Them existing in the same universe would retcon the Alien Space manga, which just states Star Rail's world is a parallel universe. That manga, in particular, is what sets up Welt being in Star Rail so I don't think they'd contradict it. Same universe also creates a lot of plot holes with how the World Tree is explained in HI3rd itself. Basically, it's more likely that the world beyond the Imaginary barriers around the Solar System of HI3rd is its own cosmos, but nonetheless, beings like the Aeons who can traverse the Imaginary Tree hold influence over said cosmos regardless. As for how Sparkle is in HI3rd in the case of the two games being separate universes-Well, if Welt can find a nice and conveniently placed portal to the world of HSR like he did, then I can see Sparkle doing something to the same effect.
@@mercer_am459 i know that and i agree with you on that... I myself have long noticed how many plotholes and confusions it would create but when dealing with the such complicated stories, we just can't ignore possibility of a retcon, doesn't matter if it's a minor retcon or a major one... many stories experience either form of retcon at least once... But as of now, we just have to wait for future story updates on both HI3 and HSR (exlueding the collab) and hope that they're not retconing anything...
@@mercer_am459 Huh? I think you've never played Honkai Impact 3rd, nor read anything about it 1- Void Archives doesn't call it a parallel universe 2- The Honkaiverse (which includes HI3, HG2, GI, and HSR) all exists within the same universe, composed of the Imaginary Tree which encompasses the Sea of Quanta They can't be parallel universes when HSR encompasses multiple "worlds", when HI3 only has one (itself) Nothing gets retconned, it's always been like this Please stop spreading misinformation when you're clearly not a player of both games
As others point out the Cocoon might only be a shadow of Terminus, kinda like IX blackhole shadows all across the universe, the Cocoon can reset Earth, Terminus can reset the entire universe/the imaginary tree, destroying it then recreating it from the start.
CoF has been around since the start of time. It's billions of years older than all Aeons combined, including Terminus. Meaning it's impossible for it to be a shadow. What are its shadows are the Herrschers, each fragments of the CoF's will. That relationship is much more like an Aeon and its Emanators than Emanator with Emanators. And we know for sure that Honkai isn't related to Aeons at all. Finality in Hi3 has nothing to do with HSR Finality. Hi3 Finality is the force that keeps the Imaginary Tree and SoQ stable. The two are like Welt put it, "completely different in nature."
@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 it might be because of Terminus nature as a being outside of the timeline, again, in my interpretation the cocoon is merely a shadow of Terminus like how IX shadows in the 3rd dimension are blackholes, Izumo technically was sucked into a shadow of IX, but still you can detect Terminus presence through the shadow, if you know things about string theory and how higher dimensional objects might look like when interacting with lower dimensional objects then the shadow/cocoon might be like that, a manifestation of Terminus from a higher dimension, Terminus is a higher dimensional being that personofies the concept of finality, the end of all things and the renewal of a new cycle, they are outside the timeline as they manipulate and might even be time itself and therefore cannot be rendered in age, because how many times have the Hoyoverse universe even be reseted? Probably a million or even trillions of times, that might be where the whole cocoon age came from, which the story misrepresents as the age of the cocoon but is actually how many times the universe had reseted, its a reflection/shadow of Terminus that is projecting in the 3d world that is a million years old because Terminus is outside the timeline because they are responsible for resting the Imaginary Tree, how can you exactly calculate the age of the very Aeon that resets the universe every hundreds and thousands and might even be millions of years? Exactly?, also people keep misinterpreting the Hoyoverse, each leaf in the of the Imaginary three is a world/star system, these is lost in translation, not an entire universe, HI3 Earth, all the planets we travel in HSR, and Teyvat co exist in the same universe and not in a multi verse, meaning they are all each individual planets/ star systems/locations in the grander hoyoverse/imaginary tree, its also why we see so many similarly occuring characters (expys) in different planets since the Imaginary tree likes to recycle assets/data, the Astral express travel through these different leaves in the three via Akivili's power (an Aeon), and all these worlds are seperated by an imaginary barrier only emanators, aeons, the Astral express and powerful pathstriders can past through. Also i think Hoyoverse universe atleast in these current reset isn't that old, maybe its just freshly reset by Terminus? Idk Mythus is kinda hiding alot of info about the era before Qlipoth, or if that, the era of Leviathans even existed and is not just some fiction HF and the Enigmata made.
These also why lore nerds in HSR fandom do not include Terminus when talking about Aeons age, because Terminus is both at the begining and end of the universe, it should be like -Terminus (outside the timeline) Oroborus Qlipoth Ena Long Aha Akivili Tazzyroth Fuli Xipe Nous Mythus IX (?) Idrila (?) Yaoshi Lan Nanook Maybe future Aeons (?) --- Terminus (outside of the timeline) Infact Terminus might not even be born yet, again they are too complicated to be taken by age, if the cocoon is there shadow/projection/reflection it only makes sense it will be thought as a million years old sense Terminus is techniqually old as fuck, if you add how many times they have reseted the timeline.
@@crystaluwu1012all aeons is outside the time line,it's proven in the swarm event where qlipoth hammer can reach terminus in the future so if qlipoth can do it,all aeons can do it too since there is no hierarchy among all aeons.
HooH might be as old as Terminus or maybe older(?) I mean HooH is the one keep the Universe balance from the beginning to the end.ensuring thats the Universe has start and end@@crystaluwu1012
I think people are down playing hsr powerful pathstriders like the stellaron hunters are atleast planetary level emanators are atleast Dwarf star-Galaxy level depending on the emmanator in questions because not all emanators are equal when sunday put everyone in a dream that dream covered a galaxy acharon nullified that while finality kiana i do believe can easily scale to galaxy-multi galaxy with ease aeons easily scale to Universe level-High Universe level
No about Zephyro destroy a galaxy data bank says imaginary tree is a one universe with many worlds They used 星系" (xīng xì) in Chinese means galaxy. To describe world size It is composed of two characters: 星 (xīng): star 系 (xì): system, series Therefore, 星系 literally translates to "star system", referring to a vast system of stars, gas, dust, and dark matter bound together by gravity. It's obvious that no world in hsr have showed milky Way size So Solar system level ( hi3 world is actually solar system but since it's don't have silver rails because akvili didn't go to it so they didn't say about it in data bank and a little of people have come to it as sparkle)
Acheron needed her real form to slash dreamscape which only cover asdana star system and it was already collapse due to galaxy rangers awakening people from dream
@@Leap_second1There is elegy statement about finality What is Terminus? Elegy: THEY are the god of Finality, traveling against time from the future. THEY appear at every moment of Finality, bringing prophecies and records of the past and future Is Finality the end of everything? Elegy: No. Finality causes amber to rupture, immortality to wither, music to mute, light arrows to dim, the Dark Sun to be reduced to ashes, and the Tavern to be covered in dust. Even Destruction itself cannot be spared from destruction. Elegy: Yet, Finality isn't the end of everything. All things will originate from there and move on to the next Finality. According to Elegy, a member of the Creed Exequy, Finality is the end of other Aeons and Paths: Finality causes amber to rupture, immortality to wither, music to mute, light arrows to dim, the Dark Sun to be reduced to ashes, and the Tavern to be covered in dust. Even Destruction itself cannot be spared from destruction. Yet, Finality isn't the end of everything. All things will originate from there and move on to the next Finality.
@@Leap_second1and i believe Iirc Hsr Finality in cn translate to something like King of Finality,like in english they call Them god of Finality so its the same i guess
Huh~ Hoyo probably will follow GGZ path again. Kiana might end up turn into level of Aeon but not Aeon. So she not bound to the path but also not bound to physical plane again. But if you really in deep reading HSR lore. Qlipoth is like a child born baby compare to Cocoon existence. Hoyo already shows timeline for both game. Yet people don't calculate on how most Aeon are literally young except HooH, Ouroboros, Ena, Long and Terminus. Which is why this 5 are called Ancient Aeon instead of oldest Aeon.
Terminus is both the oldest and the youngest Aeon. it ascended to Aeonhood at the end of time and is traveling backwards to the beginning of time, so they are oldest at the beginning of time and youngest at the end of time by normal time standards.
its simple really. when the trio first ascend the end of part 1 up to the final battle against Kevin they are emanator level of power. strong emanators, but only that. however after they win. and kiana gets the full power of finality, she is a Aeon. no if and or but about it, a weak one as she figures shit out. the things she did after that are things a emanator just couldnt. not being able to go down to earth immediately after cuz her presense would obliterate the unstable planet. the fight with SA obliterating it from another world using a fraction of her power to not destroy that world.
If the Herrscher/Emanator conversion has to be made she would be one of the youngest, powerful and least experienced Emanators known to date (alive). Why the least experienced? What Acheron was not affected, Feixao took only a few minutes, Kiana has taken days? Weeks? And she still hasn't completely gotten rid of it, which is still the same weakness she has always had (and shares that weakness with the Trailblazer) which is psychic attacks. While Acheron's lousy memory and sense of direction plays a trick on her from time to time and Feixao may not survive extreme conditions like space or withstand attacks like Kiana's Finality Bullet, I don't see Kiana at the level of an Aeon yet... That she will be in the future? We'll see
Hi3 happens earlier than hsr at the current hi3, welt still hasn't departed nor the sky people arrive yet. When kiana faced memokeeper n refused her reading memories, memokeeper noted that kiana is at least emenator level despite being a "toddler". This is a few years after part 1 so kiana is still processing cofs power. CoF shielded solar system for so long already(it's older than aeons like qlipoth), aeon wars etc happened and CoF is still going strong meaning it's full capacity is still unknown but definitely a powerhouse even when placed besides aeons
@@4rch0711 If I remember correctly during chapter 32 there was a conversation between Dr. Mei and Prometheus talking about the analysis of the residual Honkai energy fragments on the Moon and it dates back to over 250mil years ago Earth, and surely that recording was made during the Flamechasers era i.e. the Honkai arrived on our planet/solar system/galaxy over 300mil years ago, assuming there are no other CoF out there. I guess the devs didn't want to break their heads on that and made the IPC adopt the same calendar as ours and that also explains why the only character that has had her birthday celebrated in HSR is March 7th. And if we do the conversion to Amber Eras, we get the math that the Honkai has existed for more than 3000 Amber Eras ago. Which Aeons were alive back then? When it comes to explaining the Lore this will take its toll on us.
@@healu5293 And you where did you get such a bs of information when we have: Sa, acquired its power from a Cocoon less powerful than the CoF and that is why it has been hiding from the Honkai in the depths of the Sea of Quanta and has been consuming Bubble universes to acquire power and survival. And the Sky People, parasite-like civilization that has surpassed the Honkai in its own way and that do not have a Vessel for its Cocoon (if it still has one, maybe they have already consumed all their energy and that was why they are wandering all over the Cosmos). To think that there is only one CoF for only one solar system/galaxy/universe is to be very short minded, HI3 has to last (according to Da Wei) at least 4 more years and it won't be with only collaborations.
Just want to inform that one of the oldest Aeons Qlipoth is only 500k+ years old while Cocoon of Finality is millions of years old. That's all you need to know since Kiana still in the process of mastering the authority.
@@Skadi9890 it was IPC propaganda and was mentioned by herta in su .all the records before it was destroyed by aeon of enigmata. Welt also stated their is a huge gap in between the creation of universe and qlipoth birth during that time creatures like leviathan was their.
@@Anonymous-fm5wmquestion where exactly was it mentioned enigmata destroyed record events before qilpoth? And when did welt mentioned the gap between the universe creation and qilpoth?
Memokeeper said with 'your will' you have created the waves of an envoy , and her will is that of honkai , which is just a very small part of her consciousness , 'her will' and if you read the on the loading screen it shows that Emanator are the 'will' of aeon . So they are at the same level
I think it's more of a casual showing situation. In total, she has: all Herrscher authorities, which encompasses a lot of powers + The Full Authority of Finality and the Remnants of Project Stigma, which she absorbed. None of which she used to create that Emanator level wave. So this is, very likely, a casual showing from Kiana here. Meanwhile, the cocoon itself/Honkai can create barriers around the solar system that Aeons can't see through despite their insane cosmic powers. Being conservative-I'd say Kiana is on a higher end of the Emanator level and has the potential to do things that would affect even an Aeon. That said, I don't think she'd be able to kill one of them, though, mostly because of their higher-dimensional existence, allowing them to manifest thousands of emanations or avatars of themselves in lower realities. Take IX, for example. His manifestations or emanations are all just black holes that exist across the universe. There's like thousands of them. Kiana can destroy a shadow of that Aeon fairly easily, but that still leaves thousands across the universe and the true entity in a higher existence. At best, it'd be a very boring task to accomplish. At worse she just can't do it.
@@mercer_am459' i think ' ,it's your head canon isn't? Honkai has been destroying civilization's even before Qlipoth was even a thing , it's literally more than 250 billion years old
@@animaxstorys3904 Not really headcanon bro. Kiana isn't noted to be using all of her authorities which we know she has to create that wave, that's what I was trying to say. Plus the cocoon creating those barriers around the solar system does mean it can at least affect people on the scale of the Aeons to at least some small extent. *All of this is just an observation of what is stated so far in the story*. So argue with the writers I guess. I agree though. Honkai is older than most Aeons, even the OGs who have been around for a very long time. That is a good point though not sure what it adds the discussion. Age is not necessarily a metric of power, is it? What do you think?
Also an interesting note - did anyone else notice how, as terminus is said to "travel back in time to the beginning ", Kiana also does literally this in the Graduation short... Just pointing that out 😏
Whilst I do enjoy these ideas, I think something a lot of people are forgetting is that the title of Finality is simply what the characters use to describe the final Herrscher. But, in reality, the authority of the final Herrscher wouldn't be finality, but rather just Honkai. Hence why, when Kiana fully takes on the authority, she gains not only the authorities of all of the other Herrschers, but also the ability to simply flat out control Honkai at it's most basic, and most advanced, levels.
@@nemasisdemarini8339 Exactly, Finality is time (kevin). Finality is the beginning of everything, and the end of everything. Its the alpha and the omega. This terminus aeon and the claim that's its finality is not making any sense considering that only kiana has ever successfully embraced the cocoon of finality which is a higher dimensional being than even the img tree. Thus this claim of terminus being an aeon of finality is either a translation error, or a retcon.
@@KoKoNuTz232 No, Terminus is Finality. It is the Aeon of the End. It's just that Honkai, which is what Kiana has power over, is far more encompassing than that. And the only reason the last Herrscher is referred to as Finality, is because it's the last Herrscher. So Kiana wouldn't be Finality if she was counted as an Aeon. She'd be Honkai.
@@nemasisdemarini8339 you aren't making any sense. How can there be an aeon of finality if the cocoon trascends aeons, and if the only embrace is Kiana?
What i keep thinking is that, finality(not kiana) has lots of diffrent power and control of honkai, while aeon is bound on that universe and has 1 type of power to give, isn't finalty stongger than aeon? Like... Honkai alone is the one that cut universe from the tree and the one that decide if a universe is consider dead or not, then having control over it mean finality is that strong. And people seem to forgot that honkai is not part of the tree, the sea, or even a universe, and it was its own thing like the tree or sea. like the wind that cut the dying leaf to the sea
We can never rule out the possibility that Kiana may one day ascend to the same level of an Aeon or even become one herself. I mean, even a random insect did. But as for _right now_, I feel like the writing is on the wall. If they wanted us to think of her in the same light as an Aeon, why wouldn't they simply have the Memokeeper say that instead of Emanator? Truth be told, I'm not even that fixated on what the Momokeeper said. To me, just the sheer fact that she was able to wander around in Kiana's mind uninvited *AT ALL* is itself pretty telling. That, and I feel like people think being Emanator level is a slight because they've been ignoring the more subtle hints of how powerful they truly are. No, they aren't just about blowing up Star Systems. Take Sa for instance. For all her power, she's incapable of bypassing the Imaginary Intertidal Zones, a feat any given Emanator is capable of. Or take Acheron. She defeated her worlds incarnation of Finality before even becoming an Emanator, yet killing an Aeon clearly isn't something she can do as badly as she wants to. The final nail in the coffin to me is the very nature of the Aeons. They are by definition the most extreme manifestation of the concept they embody. Terminus would not and _could not_ exist if there was another entity that embodied "Finality" to an equal or superior degree. Not unless the cocoon is Terminus itself, but it seems like they're setting them up to be distinct entities.
She is above aeons. She isn't under the img tree, aeons are. The cocoon is above the imaginary tree that's why it could exert its will over the tree. There is only cocoon of finality. This terminus and finality is NOT the same finality it cannot be. Only Kiana has successfully embraced Finality no one else has. There can not be an aeon of it, or path of it, or emanator of it because no one but kiana has ever embraced it.
@@KoKoNuTz232 Except the Aeons are also capable of imposing their will on the Imaginary Tree, (that's HooH's entire deal in fact) and they do so to a far greater scale than the cocoon, which is itself limited to just the Solar System (not even all of it since it has no influence at the absolute edge). Aeons on the other hand typically influence the universe as a whole, to the point the sol system being beyond their gaze is considered something exceptional rather than the norm. So that alone isn't a basis for Kiana to be superior. Also, seeing as Fuli intends to recreate the tree after its destroyed (which obviously necessitates being able to survive) I'm not exactly sure them being below the tree is accurate, as Fuli would need to be fully independent to even attempt such a thing.
@@MaliciousVeracity it's not the same thing. Aeons are under the tree in dimensions, the cocoon is above the tree dimensionally. It's 3D, 4D, 5D. Only the cocoon is 5D.
Kiana has all of the 12 existing herrschers abilities due to the finality literally being the sphere and the 12 herrschers just being shadows of the finality explained during the moon chapter, and literally Kiana was explained to be able to connect a bubble universe to keep it from falling into the sea of quanta, being a anchor, meaning her abilities can literally keep two timelines from collapsing, and the fact that she used 1% of her ability to just obliterate SA who was at the edge of the solar system hiding from finality due to Prometheus just pointing the coordinates.
It took finality bullet to reach sa in around 3 to 13 min in the edge of solar system. meanwhile lan casually shoot at xuange 62 light years away in less than a second.
It's also a matter of accuracy and power control. Lan just casually launches Lux arrows and commits mass genocide, killing millions for the sake of wiping out the denizens of abundance. Sure it works. But there is so much innocent collateral that's actually a joke. He lacks any finesse and control. Kiana on the other hand sniped a shot perfectly, taking into account the rotation of planets, moons etc etc perfectly and without hurting another being. I'd say Kiana is more capable than Lan because she can exercise control. Lan feels closer to Nanook the more I read about them (read Dan Shu's diary part 2, I totally agree with her final sentiments).
Kiana has yet to really be seen at her max in finality form, or at least maximum potential It took the herrscher trio to take down Kevin in deliverance form(iirc, Kiana had taken AoF fully from him) Although deliverance form is really strong, I’d argue that he’s probably able to beat all the FC’s(maybe) with pretty high difficulty(cuz we’re throwing Ellie in here) From what we know of the fight against The End, it was an absolute wipe The machine meant to stop her broke in an attempt to at 200% Shamash too was only able to stun her for 12 hours She proceeded to wipe earth and leave radiation around for 50000 years No disrespect on Kiana, but I think she has yet to display things of that level
I mean, there's actually a given reason for that, too. And that's, that she is actively trying not to ever reach that level of output. Since getting anywhere near it could easily endanger literally everyone on Earth.
Definitely but with kiana's case it's definitely because she was deemed finality after all, so it's understandable for people to give her feats that surpasses that of an aeon being able to connect bubble universes to the main timeline and restoring fleeting worlds, as well as the fact that finalities rule reaching to the furthest point with some assistance just using a fraction it really does encapsulate Kiana as an end all be all, that's why it's a heated discussion.
In the trailer when HoYo introduced the Ten Stoneheart, they clearly ilustrated how scary Emanators and especially Aeons are. Aeons and their Emanators were casually deleting planets and galaxies on daily basis. We have Voracity who effortlesly eats thousand of stars and planets, and Tazzyronth who destroyed so many worlds until Ena and HooH decided that it was enough. Well, even IPC is more than capable to destroy a planet just like what they did in Chadwick side quest.
@@WovenEclipseYes people give her feats , not Mihoyo and they act as facts , headcanon glazing . At this point it is becoming really annoying and just spreading bs miss information .
At the moment at the moment, it’s not really easy to compare the two different types of demigods because the power feets and what they can fully do of both herrscher’s and emanators are incredibly confusing and not fully exported up upon because currently Acheron it’s the only confirmed emanators actually really show off and even then her power said is still confusing and unexplored, though personally I do think herrschers and emanators are directly comparable (but not aeons that’s a whole different ballpark) because power wise the emanators and herrschers very in strength drastically, but I would say the herrschers for the most part would take the dub over the emanators because most Herrschers have been shown to consistently be state to continental levels and strength one of the weaker Herrschers wiped out 70% of the world’s population by themselves and the Honkai universe basically runs off the same logic that Mortal Kombat does It’s a rock paper scissors type
He didn’t say that he only say that aeons are capable of destroying entire galaxy but not like just destroy the galaxy but destroying planets and starts because that is what a galaxy is planets and stars and the emanator’s can destroy a planet that what he say.
@@dilandelgado7337Durandal, Rita, Theresa and Himeko. Those are the S Ranks Joachim have known so far. So unless he specified which S Rank, no one's gonna say Caelus/Stelle is Bianka's level
im pretty sure that either mei or bronya in part 2 in the story while speaking to the dreamseeker said that its been 5 to 6 years since kiana began living on the moon, and since APHO is 8 years AFTER kiana, mei and bronya defeat kevin and part 2 happens 2 years before APHO and welt still being around in part 1.5 which is i believe around 3 to 5 years AFTER part 1, kiana only should have only 60% mastery over finality if we're going with the theory of 1 year = 10% mastery over herrscher authority this is all from my memory so i might be wrong, but i think kiana currently has 60% mastery and not the 90% mastery like mentioned in the video again, this is all from memory so i might be wrong
First, the Memokeeper was just saying about Kiana willpower not her actual power Second, the Memokeeper probably don't even know about the existence of other Gods like Kiana beside Aeons so of course she would compare Kiana to Emanator So that didn't prove anything about Kiana power Kiana definitely can reach Aeons level but she will need more than just mastered power of the Cocoon, she is just a newborn God, she need to expand her power, her authorities
IMO, the question isn't to do with Kiana's power but which is stronger, the cocoon of Finality or the Aeon of finality Terminus. This is the main factor the will predicate on whether Kiana is Aeon level or not. If CoF is weaker, then kiana is weaker, if CoF is on par, than Kiana is either on par or weaker depending on whether becoming HoF makes you on par with CoF. If CoF is stronger than Kiana will most likely be stronger than Aeons. Another thing. Control over your powers does not give a direct indication of you becoming stronger but rather making you more capable of using that power correctly, so using the 10 year training arc feels rather unnecessary. When you at the state of controlling abstract concepts, your control over them, while is important is not as important as the priority of your concept in relation to other concepts. Much like how HoF is stronger than HoO because of the source of their abilities, the Aeon's jurisdiction over their concept seems much much stronger than first actualized. If it is true that the CoF is on par with the imaginary tree in terms of conceptual priority, then HoF is most likely stronger than Aeons.
Aeons born shook the universe aka the tree so scale to it Nanook embodies the entropy death of the universe which is a natural calamity that's come eventually not in one moment
There is no aeon of fniality, its not Finality it cannot be. The cocoon is a higher dimensional being than the imaginary tree. Aeons are tied to the imaginary tree. The only person or being that has ever successfully embraced the cocoon is KIANA. She is well above the aeons. Calling her an emanator was an acknowledgment that there is a source of where her power comes from. "which aeon is there? Or is it that its beyond the gaze of aeons and even the trailblaze?" yes, because Kiana is a higher dimensional being than they are. and lower dimensional beings cannot gaze above them.
@@KoKoNuTz232 no Terminus exist And theory ( both are same) don't work either because both use different Chinese words Kiana Is like herrscher of the end in Chinese or something 2-prove that cacoon higher dimensional than tree
@@Leap_second1 the cocoon is higher than the tree. the cocoon even exerted its influence on the tree. It has transcended all dimensions. Terminus is definitely not an aeon of the finality in hi3.
I personally believe the cocoon and Honkai to be connected to Terminus, the Aeon of Finality. Though we know next to nothing about them, other than them traveling backwards in time from the end to the beginning of the universe, Hoyo doesn't do coincidences with names, and calling it Finality is surely an intentional choice. My guess is that the cocoon is an emanator of finality, and through it, Kiana receives her power. We also know that emanators have different levels of power depending on how much strength their Aeon grants them. Some give very little power, while others offer the full force of their path. Either way, really hard to judge yet, since we have not seen many emanators in action, and still do not know all that much about the Aeons.
In my humble opinion, even at 100% mastered CoF power kiana is nowhere near an aeon. A strong emenator perhaps at the level of Acheron yes but not an aeon. I think instead CoF is an artifact from the previous finality that harbours a new finality for the new universe samsara (since everything from the old universe must come to an end, including finality itself to make way for a new origin), and kiana being one (and probably not the only) people to harness its power, is in the contention, many many many years in the future, to become the aeon of finality herself. Strangely enough, i think kiana and elio might be in a similar position.
I'm still not sure, after all CoF while not even being an Aeon is already capable of destroying worlds and even sheltering the solar system and also being older than almost if not all of the Aeons.
Black Swan make it clear so far , she is Emanator level , top tier one like Acheron , even stronger maybe yes , but not Aeon at all , The Coocon maybe yea , it is probably some type of Aeon , or the equivalent of one in HI3 universe .
Nowhere confirm bs is emanator Except the data faction where described all memokeeper is “ emanator “ which not make sense because no way every people of a faction can be emanator
There are three 1) When talking to the memo keeper, she asks "which god(aeon) is protecting this place?". Given the wording it seems that she is implying that whatever is being done is an aeon level feat, or that there is reason to believe they have an aeon/god of their own in hi3 universe. That means that CoF is likely aeon level. 2) Kiana did merge with the cocoon but she has not harnessed it's powers, and this keeps being reiterated. What's more - She was taking a goddamn nap at the time when the "emanator level" reading took place. That should tell you enough. 3) I think that what's in welts statement about aeons and the honkai from before is interesting - he calls them "different in nature". That is true, because it's not a powerscaling issue but the "nature of their power" issue. I don't think either is stronger than the other and it's not an apples to apples comparison. Imo He basically highlighted how the aeons are likely stronger at their singular path, but the cocoon is not constrained by a path at all (high versatility with high raw power vs highest raw power with zero versatility)
It's a Memokeeper we're talking about not a Space Battle powerscaler so I say reading her will is just enough to somewhat gouge her strength. We all saw BS get torn to shreds when she tried taking a glimpse at Acheron's mind without even her noticing. So yeah she (Kiana) is an Emanator level figure but a pretty strong one.
@@mirageknight8070 The emanator claim is just an acknowledgement that there is a greater source of where her power comes from. She follows that up with asking if its beyond the gaze of aeons and that of the trailblaze? The cof is a higher dimensional being than the tree. Kiana is far above aeons in hsr. She is a higher dimensional being.
@@KoKoNuTz232 lmao stop with the fanfiction. At most she's an Emanator figure to CoF - solidified by the fact that a Memokeeper infiltrated her domain and could guess her Emanator status through Kiana's Will (also fyi Emanators are the enforcers of their Aeon's Will so this further suggests that she might be an Emanator) Besides she's not a concept or anything, she's just a "mortal" with too much raw power. As for Aeons well any information regarding their origin should be taken with a grain of salt because Mythus exists.
@@mirageknight8070 She is not an emanator. She doesn't pass on the will of finality. The memokeeper only found traces of her from 1% of her power and couldn't reach her until she was asleep (in her dreams) after that finger blast against Sa. She is not connected the tree, aeons are. She is connected to the cocoon which is above the tree. The cocoon is a higher dimensional being than any aeon, and even the tree they are under. In terms of dimensions, Kiana would be on the same dimension as the tree. The herrschers would be her emanators. Kiana is above aeons. Nothing I said is fanfiction regarding the cof or the tree. And everything the memokeeper said was in game.
@@KoKoNuTz232 "She's connected to the cocoon" That's why I'm saying she's an Emanator figure because of her connection to a higher being. Also while the cocoon may be older (or maybe not depending on the truth of Aeons' origins), age doesn't have anything to do with its strength. The earth not being discovered by Akivili isn't a feat either for the verse since the new world (Amorphous) we're going to in HSR is also not reached by Them. As for why it's not getting attention by the other Aeons even though it's destroying worlds? Again hiding isn't a feat of strength and the way it's destroying worlds is similar to Nanook (gradually and subtly destroying them through Honkai shenanigans). Unlike Tazzy and Oroboros who were actively destroying the universe at a very large scale thus garnering the attention of Qlipoth to go ham on them. Tazzy in particular should be noted for how strong they were considering they destroyed 1/3 of the universe iirc (fyi the Imaginary Tree is the universe) and went against all of the major Aeons of their time.
HI3rd characters have shown that their actual potential is way higher. Kiana herself is already like way more powerful than any Emanator since she is capable of destroying dimensions like glass windows as for Aeons well all I will say is Aeons have always been overhyped similar to the Dragons Sovereigns of Genshin the fanbase tries to scale things that aren't exactly scalable Kiana currently should already be at Near Aeon level and when she gains perfect mastery of her power she could easily surpass any Aeon cuz Finality is the end of everything. For anyone who has watched a certain Isekai anime with the character named Takatou Yougiri would understand what I mean, he is canonically one of the strongest characters in all of fiction cuz he is the literal personification of the end of everything so yeah if Kiana becomes anything like him then any Aeon is gonna be toasted 😂 Also I will always simp more for HI3rd character more than HSR so there is that too 😂
No they haven't. I'm sorry to say you HI3rd like to inflate your characters feats while ignoring the fears of any character from HSR. HooH can instantly kill you with a breath, this was shown in Simulated Universe, no one in HI3rd has shown this level of reality manipulation save for the infamous Honkai god him/herself. I don't think I need to remind you that Trailblazer is equivalent to an S tier Valkyrie, meaning we are equivalent to the likes of Durandal
@@bloody4558S Rank Valkyries includes people like Kallen, Reanna, Cecilia, Himeko, Theresa, Rita and Bianka. And it doesn't take that long to know they're on different levels of strength. Caelus/Stelle Haven't shown any feats they have that would've put them above Joachim, so the best person they could scale to is most likely only Himeko without Vermillion Knight and Haste Gem, which is the bottom line of S Rankers. He sure as heck ain't scaling to Rita who survived Star of Eden, Cecilia who stopped Sirin's rampage and Bianka who's design to fight against Sirin's second coming Origin severed the threads of Fate Honkai has to its Herrschers which allows them to retain their humanity if they're strong enough. The same Honkai who has invaded countless leafs on the Tree and could grants people power to scale above the Trees easy as breathing. And Mei already inherited and mastered its power Bronya scales above to Misteln who can basically manifested anything to reality Kiana one shotted something that already covered the entire Sea of Quanta with its shadows alone in size. Owned all 13 Authority which includes Reason, Void which allows her to turn anything unbeatable to beatable, Thunder which allows her to severe Imaginary Energy connection, Binding which absorbs all manner of energy, Curroption which affects all non/organic things, Finality which controls Time to a point that a higher beings also gets paused by it
@@bloody4558S-rank characters are nothing compared to the Herrscher when they lack a Divine Key or Godbane Suit. For example, Rita can't even defeat Void Drifter Kiana when Kiana hasn't fully mastered the power of the Void yet. Additionally, Otto even wants to place Dudu well above S-rank.
@@bloody4558 The only thing the trailblazer is equivalent to is a 1 year old child who has racoon like tendencies and said child has been given a power too overpowering so yeah 😂I literally don't care about HSR characters enough to go out of my way to glaze them meanwhile because of all the development HI3rd story has shown I will gas up Base Kiana being able to destroy the Astral Express on her own 😎👌🏼 EZ Edit : This is a troll response cuz I have come to hate Honkai Star Rail Power scallers and I want GGZ characters to come out of nowhere and wipeout the Aeons so that we can be free from all of these dick measuring contests and go back to Gooning and Getting Emotional Damage Second edit : Actually you know what HI3rd has the most powerful damage available to them True Unfiltered Emotional Damage cuz canonical HSR hasn't exactly killed any playable character yet meanwhile even Genshin has given way more emotional Damage to us players. Don't you dare bring Firefly that shit felt like the biggest asspull ever 🤣 and I pulled for her immediately and got her too cuz of that 🤣 the propaganda was truly next level
I think kiana is more in between emanator and aeon or a representative of an aeon, the cocoon of finality feels more like the aeon in HI3 universe, in terms of comparison and parallelism in HSR universes, herrschers seem like parallels to the gods or stellarons that were trying to kill each universes or worlds If humans acquiring stellaron powers and gets granted by aeon, turn emanators then kiana could definitely more of a full grown or complete emanator in HI3 Or kiana is just really more powerful in comparison to other emanators because the cocoon of finality could a more powerful aeon than the other aeons
kiana is an emanator with full authority where she can wield 100% power of COF power, in HSR the power that the aeon give to it emanator is depend on the aeon one can get 5%, 10% or whatever that aeon wanted
according to a member of Garden of Recollection ( a memokeeper... Kiana is an Emanator Level ( can emit waves similar to an Emanators )... possibly an emanator of finality... even if kiana doesnt follow Finality.... Raiden B. Mei (Acheron) on HSR is a Emanator of Nihility and she doesnt follow Nihility
The memokeeper said with your will alone... She is asleep at this time. The context was asking what aeon was preventing the memokeeper from gaining access to her. But then she asked: Or is it that it is beyond the gaze of aeons and even the trailblaze. And what would that mean? It means she is in a higher dimension. The cocoon is a higher dimensional being than the img tree. And aeons are tied to the tree. Kiana is in a higher dimension. She is far above emantors and even aeons. The cocoon isn't an aeon, since she embraced the cocoon.
@@KoKoNuTz232 Memokeeper said that she created ripples like an emanator. The ripple analogy doesn't work based on whether you're asleep or awake, your very existence creates ripples in the cosmos. It's based on a certain analogy in HSR
Emanator lvl?? lmao imagine she's can controls all authorities of Herrscher and yall keep assuming she on Emanator lvl 💀💀 acheron doesn't have full authority of Nihility lmao
@@catterdaioaoallpomaniannbsusy yea but no Cocoon of finality literally older than any Star god even Post Seradina From Mars literally older than aeon lmao HI3rd still Higher Authority AP ≠ DC 😴😴
@@catterdaioaoallpomaniannbsusyyou are liar No one in hsr are beyond of time or outside in timeline they literally those guys once humans before except the cocoon in HI3rd 🤡🤡🤡
I have a question is emanator stronger the normal herrscher or not because at the beginning I though that emanators are way stronger then a normal herrscher but then I remember that every herrscher we fight in hi3 is practically attack and kill after some minutes or day of her birth so they never get to their max level power at all and we now from a fact that the herrscher of the void - Kiana mentioned this can travel the entire world and she say that she doesn’t now if the authority of the void could take her from the moon to mars or venues but with the shot is clear that the normal herrscher authority’s can became stronger not at the level of finality of curse but close to origin but a little weaker so if you can answer this Question I would be really great full and aeons can’t destroy universes and this is a fact because they are bound to the universe they exist and here is a example put a glass of water in table and fill up with water add some small animals this animals life in the cup but they can get out or break it the same is for the aeons.
If aeons become the antagonist in HI3rd then they will be farmed every week as weekly bosses. No need to think hard about it. The antagonist will always get destroyed in the plot of the story.
Cocoon Finality can reset the earth. And Terminus Finality want to reset the entire universe, that's the gulf between the two. No wonder why the memokeeper said "emanator level" to Kiana.
@@yddyhrxhtfxgfhxtfh3986 Not really, it can theoretically destroy it completely because the cocoon has never been serious, everything it has ever done has always been just a test.
If there was a thing that easy to say that"KIANA IS (JUST LIKE)EMANATOR OF COCOON OF FINALITY" IT'S MEAN AT LEAST SHE'S EMANATOR LEVEL. Because the memokeeper said that just like Emanator,right? and don't underestimate Memokeeper's knowledge.
This aged poorly, one IT was wave lengths the wave gets weaker the further it gets that why literally entities like SA came to the edge of the universe to hide from the finality, and the emanator managed to get into kiana's dream DUE to following the ripple, does obviously even people like SU explained in the manga, that the further you are the less likely the honkai could reach, that's why literally the civilization that the mini Vita's were managing had no honkai (well there's some honkai now.)
Also literally even the memokeeper herself said that she doesn't know what Kiana really is, so no, memokeepers aren't always right, that's why they collect memories, to put the picture together, they aren't all knowing. LITERALLY black swan herself tried going into acherons mind to collect memories but instead was traumatized trying to pry into acherons mind.
From what I remember Honkai eventually reacts to practically all forms of sentient life, and it's billions of years old, predates Aeons, and has also been destroying millions of worlds/universes right up to modern day. Then there's Honkai 2 with Gods that can create entire Imaginary Trees/Multiverses, and yet despite honkai being pretty much everywhere people in Star Rail seem to have no idea what 'honkai' is. I think there's a good chance the Aeons and Star Rail 'Universe' are being 'blocked' from perceiving Honkai and interacting with it. Finality, Honkai, or some other entity is allowing the Star Rail 'universe' to play with a different set of rules from all the worlds that are constantly being destroyed by Honkai. And jesus I realized I was going to babble for hours more so ending it here. TLDR I hope Hi3 and Kiana remain OP af, and Elysia could easily 'cure' Nihility, but she never would because it'd kill them.
Kiana is still at the emanator level, because there is not a single Aeon that is the size of a human, even Nanook who was originally an ordinary human and when he rose to become the Aeon of Destruction
Wasn't the previous herrscher of the end was capable of holding the earth and "corpse" is the size of a mountain? The same herrscher who is weaker than a Kevin with authority of finality who's a bit taller than the average human Size doesn't automatically make you stronger, especially in fiction
@@markjustinbultron7371 yeah, here I am discussing Kiana because he thinks Kiana is only the size of a normal human while Kiana is an abstract existence so she is not bound by physical form
@@catterdaioaoallpomaniannbsusykiana finger beam was emanator lvl as the memorykeeper said so SA was in a emanator lvl, so after absorb her power i gues vita too
@@herrscherelysia5008 Why are HI3 elitist like you so hell bent on making your characters the strongest ever? Do you undertstand the limitation for writing when you make a character Aeon level in power? Not to mention there is no evidence to suggest they are that strong when most can't even destroy Earth let alone galaxy much less a universe. Saying Kiana is Emanator level is already pretty charitable
@@Rodiacreed The context here is simply this: the blast Kiana shooted at SA created an Emanator level wave, and that was not even 10% of Kiana's power. Only 1%, so no. Kiana is DEFINITELY not Emanator level.
@@marcioadrianocardoso8936 Emanators vary in power anyway so saying Emanator level is pretty vague regardless. How do you even know it was 1%? Did they say "oh you beat SA with 1% of your power"?
@@Rodiacreed Kiana herself said she didn't want to cause damage to the planet, so she did her best to control her power and reduce it's destructive capacity.
I think the power level really differs with Herrschers Some Herrschers like Wendy have Emanator levels of power while others like Kiana have Aeon levels Though I think Kiana might be able to surpass Aeons at some point
So if with 1% of her Power was able just to take down Sa (which maybe is on the same or above Phantilya's lvl) she still an emmanator? xD I wonder what 2% of her Power can do or even 100%, if an Aeon would be able to withstand her 100% after she learn to control, a single lightbeam that can cross the universe in minutes. A Power that keep Aeons' gaze away of the solar System and maybe more planets. A Power than has been reseting life for over milleniums (at least 100k so far). A Power that is almost at the same lvl as the three of life(The place where are all the worlds/universe) when even Aeons are not able to reach but shes still emmanator lvl...
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Emanators receives less than 0.0000000000001% of their aeon, and according to what others say, the sphere of influence of the cocoon is the solar system, while for aeons is the whole imaginary tree (there is only universe)
@@danieltran6062 No one is above the tree, no one has influence on it, the only one that can reach the same power it is Kiana and thats only if she learns and controls her powers. The Cocoon just keep the soalr system away from the gaze of Aeon while it was on the time loop maybe just to not being interrupt while doing it. The Honkai is an ancient entity since the origin of the universe, so we can say it the Chaos itself. If Kiana with only 1% of her power was able to take down a 2.5mil years old goddess that was 4500 AU (Astronomical Unit = 150m km) with a single from the Moon. So far we dont know if an Aeon can do such thing while just using 1% of their power. She has every single concept/power of all the Herrscher, she just need to learn how to use it
First its stated that emanators recive power of Eaon but unconsistently one maybe able to destroy a city and another a planet 2 :the cocoon of finality is solar systeme yes but only because he wants to we NEVER fully see what that thing is capable of at max potential while kiana could be see as an emanator that at 1% can blow out an deity like across solar systeme its stay kiana as herrscher of finality not the cocoon itself 3 its now confirmed that the memokeeper refer the influence of the cocoon as a blessing from an Eaon So yes cof is a thing as powerfull if not more as an eaon and its confirmed and its not because a being or a characters is powerfull enaugh to destroy entire universe that its going to do it (ex : acheron , ipc ect...)
@@xavierchiu9103But HooH the Equilibrium merged its will with the Imaginary Tree, influenced all events in the universe. The Propagation threatened the balance of the Universe, so HooH influenced other Aeons to kill it and end the Swarm Disaster.
i wanna point out that kianas WILLPOWER, not even HER FULL POWER, generated that wave. also can aeons shoot through multiple dimensions??? and also, sa/vita is only equal to 10% of the cocoon's power, and sa has even broken THE FOURTH WALL. sa does some weird stuff, and for SA to get sniped like that is saying something. i just wanna use some logic as well: if finality is the ultimate end, that means it must surpass all other ends. that means surpassing other aeons as well.
and that is wrong. The wave analogy does not depend on willpower or full power, your very existence and influence determines it. While an emanator creates waves that can erode the coast the aeons are like mighty tsunamis that can engulf the mountains, I am not making this up just so you know
I think both have the same power but I think Kiana will get another power that even stronger then the cocoon of finality so I think she can get at least one more power which is the final power that no one can defeat Kiana but I hoping they a another power for her
If anything, she's on pair with an Aeon, and she's asleep while using something like a copy of herself, as her will. So...how op, is she when she's fully in control and awake?
Well in my opinion, With hsr power scaling, Cocoon= Aeons because Aeons are strongest beings. And Hofi become Emanator because She and cocoon work in similar way as how Aeons and their emanators works (Although Kiana and Cocoon are the same thing ofc😂)
GGZ has Honkai God on Level of Old/Elder Gods... Elder Gods are like toddlers compared to the Outer Gods... Ascended Kiana and Mei in GGZ are Low Level Toddler Elder God... Herrscher of Finality Kiana can still easily be killed by Honkai God... And Honkai God still hasn't appeared in Honkai Impact 3rd...
Additional Thoughts... The Human Followers of the Outer God Yog-Sothoth have an Imaginary Tree within them and you cannot kill said Follower as long as a Trace of that Inner Imaginary Tree exists... You need the Firepower to destroy Multiple Worlds in order to defeat them...Then the Magical Girls of Wonderland within The Dreamlands easily kill groups of said Followers of Yog-Sothoth... Magical Girl Sirin in HI3rd is implied to be one of those Magical Girls...
Nah,the different power between GGZ Kiana and GGZ outer gods is really big like An ant(Ggz Kiana) compare to a real god(Outer gods) so you can't really compare them.
you think honkai only appears in the form of honkai monsters like in Hi3? Honkai is also imaginary energy, and aeons use imaginary energy from the tree. From this perspective, Honkai can exist in various forms as confirmed in Hi3 by prometheus. It has endless varieties. Thats why Honkai Star Rail has the Honkai word because aeons use imaginary energy Honkai = Imaginary Energy
Out of topic but Now i am curious. If HI3 and HSR are connected and genshin is also connected ib some way or form i wonder what about GGZ and what would happen if the eldrich gods join the party?
Kiana will never become an Aeon for a reason. Aeons are beings that are purely one with their corresponding concept. Kiana doesn’t fit into a single concept that wouldn’t get absorbed by another Aeon.
I am assuming that cocoon of finality was a emanator of finality. Emanators have different power levels as per the strength bestowed upon them by Aeon. Since Star rail universe is connected with Honkai universe, then the true master of Finality is Terminus.
Imma go about and say this completely baseless theory that Elio is Kiana Elio has shown multiple times with a cat type motif Kiana has a cat girl summer skin COINCIDENCE??? I THINK NOT?? aight this is just a crackpot brainless theory lmao
Maybe the Cocoon of Finality is actually the Aeon of Finality Terminus. It was looking for a successor and the successor would be yhe one who embrace Finality. After so many tries, Kiana Kaslana was chosen. So she will be the new Aeon of Finality.
They can't be the same, as it’s implied that the Eons of Star Rail are new concepts and independent entities. If we consider that the Kiana and Mei from Honkai Gakuen 2 are beings who absorbed their interpretation of the Honkai God, and possess the power of Kiana from Honkai Impact 3, split in two for better control, it’s more likely to think that Terminus is simply another different interpretation of the Honkai God. This is because, whenever the Honkai God appears in different places, it changes its form and characteristics depending on the scale of each dimension. Using this assumption, we can only infer that the "Will of Commander" from HG2, the "Cocoon of Finality" from HI3, and "Terminus" from HSR are dimensional beings connected to the Honkai God, to a greater or lesser extent. Unlike the first two timelines, in the Star Rail universe there are more than one dimensional being existing together, which implies that it’s easier to manage that dimension. So, because of this, it is impossible that they are the same dimensional being, but perhaps one with similar abilities.
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Finality in starrail is both the end and beginning actally and another youtube channel named mavix ( central finite curve)
I have a question is emanator stronger the normal herrscher or not because at the beginning I though that emanators are way stronger then a normal herrscher but then I remember that every herrscher we fight in hi3 is practically attack and kill after some minutes or day of her birth so they never get to their max level power at all and we now from a fact that the herrscher of the void - Kiana mentioned this can travel the entire world and she say that she doesn’t now if the authority of the void could take her from the moon to mars or venues but with the shot is clear that the normal herrscher authority’s can became stronger not at the level of finality of curse but close to origin but a little weaker so if you can answer this Question I would be really great full and aeons can’t destroy universes and this is a fact because they are bound to the universe they exist and here is a example put a glass of water in table and fill up with water add some small animals this animals life in the cup but they can get out or break it the same is for the aeons.
Can you do aether Power level(i mean same thing you did whit kiana) keep in mind that curent aether its complex multi wach aether vs saitama video for proofs
Also nice video
Its hard to Pinpoint Kiana on the Star rail powerscaling, not only lorewise but also communitywise.
If they put an honkai impact 3rd character instantly as an Aeon (potentiall playable) most Star Rail players would probably dont understand it.
But if they put her too low in the power chart, the Hi3 Community would go wild.
We don't need power scaling just make the aeons be the antagonist in the story to become bosses and I will farm them every week 😂
@@freeze4728 well the story tents to that at the moment anyway xD
but would you want a game collab where out of nowhere that collab character suddenly becomes the most powerful character in the game ?
@@azrael7582 If the collab character would be:
Unplayable Antagonist: Farmable boss battle for mats.
Playable Character: At least useful If not then collection.
In the end all of these enemy aeons would get obliterated anyway either by The Trailblazer or Kiana Kaslana there is no other choice. ~Welt Yang
@@freeze4728 yeah, well, but at the moment we dont really know what the goal of (potential) Part 1 of HSR is, what they hinted is the fight against Nanook, or all Aeons with the alliance with Jingliu
I would love to get kiana in HSR, because she is my number 1 in the entire hoyoverse
It's not that hard for powerscaling. Lore a little bit difficult since you have to know the lore and understand it and comparing all of it etc. And the last one is the easiest, for not catter to anyone.
4:50 Emanators differ in power. Different emanators wield different fractions of the power of a respective Aeon. My guess is that cocoon was a really strong emanator of Finality meaning that by harnessing it's power she will become a really strong emanator of finality. As for cocoon having an emanator power this assumption is based on the fact that Acheron world facing IX perished without having a chance
Exactly, while Kiana may have a rank of Emanator, that doesn't mean her power level is the same as other emanators. If anything, it would be easier to compare her power level to other Aeons than to other emanators.
Edit: I wouldn't exactly call CoF an emanator given that in HSR we are told that Terminus the Finality is an Aeon that has not yet been "born" or come into being despite the path itself existing. And given that CoF is a "Cocoon," well...
Wait Cocoon of finality is an emanator ? isn't Cocoon of finality exist before Aeon when the img tree just created by some outergod in ggz?
@aloneft9300 Yes. CoF has been alive longer than Aeons and has ended countless worlds/star systems throughout the Imaginary Tree according to the manga.
@@masterskygamer306 from what we know terminus moves back in time. I am pretty sure cocoon isn't a seed of an Aeon
@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 HI3 has pretty sus manga. A lot of it contradicts things we have in game. I wouldn't use manga as reliable source unless it's something like a 2nd eruption manga. Genshin has some sus stuff in their manga too, for exmple in one of the chapter mora doesn't exist, while it should according to timeline so not every manga is lore accurate. Coccoon ended Venus and Mars civilisation which are still within the HI3 solar system.
There's bound to have plotholes if we compare the story between Hi3rd and HSR, Hi3rd was most likely made without having HSR (or even Genshin) in mind.
Yes but HSR was made with genshin and honkai in mind.
Yes i say genshin.
Genshin has always been honkai coded just... Subtly.
But with HSR lores like the Baal drink description.
And sovereign dragons reincarnating like the vidhiara.
Fake sky.
Imaginary suspiciously not being there as well as quantum..
Eventhough they are on the imaginary tree.. (Thats like not being able to find sand in a desert. )
And also the fact that all elements are created from imaginary..
Yet imaginary as a whole is not there.
@@BlueCHMA Actually from the new archon quests it is known that all elements came from light (technically imaginary but has nothing to do with the tree) and the abyss is actually the sea of quanta. (Primordial chaos). Watch Ashikai’s new theory
@@dippndolphin8279 One of the monsters in the Natlan 5.1 quest has a description that says that. "It has tree like features because it tries to imitate the world it is descending to". That implies that some of the Abyss monsters are from outside the Imaginary tree. I dont remember quite well, if the Sea of Quanta is considered to be inside, or outside the imaginary tree, but if it is outside, well maybe Flogiston/light is imaginary and Abyss is quantum
@ Yes that is correct
Star Rail takes place no earlier than 2029 because that's when the present portion of the Alien Space manga takes place. Based off of that, I would say Star Rail takes place in late 2029 or the 2030's.
I need to check if there is a dialogue about Himeko saying she found Welt and VA years ago when she went to Salsotto.
@@ViRoV00yhh she said that in her parlor car dialogue. Welt also mentioned something along those lines. So star rail takes place in 2030s
The world of Hi3 exists outside of Star Rail, Welt itself implies that there is no way to access Earth easily and that he depends on the Astral Express (with the power of Aeon Akivili) or the geniality from Herta to at least be able to communicate with Kiana and the rest of his family.
In short, the Star Rail universe (what we have records of) is very different and each bubble world has its own date, and the expanded universe has records of up to more than 200,000 years (which was when there were Wars that Aeons like Ena & Qlipoth participated in).
@@Henryfs. True, but I'm talking from the view of honkai impact's main earth. For them, Welt left in 2029 or later, and for the star rail universe, he arrived around 2157 AE.
@@Henryfs. Hi3 is part of star rail cosmos. Its just isolated because of cocoon. Now that kiana is processing the authority slowly, the barrier is waning. Memokeeper said it's an area that has not yet been reached by the influence of aeons then ask what's governing the area. Memokeeper has no knowledge of the cocoon despite memokeepers being the closest to library of the cosmos given their search of 'memories'. This means that cocoon managed to be hidden or eliminate everyone that knew of it even though it's confirmed to be older than majority of aeons like qlipoth. It has been enveloping the solar system even during the aeon wars meaning it had the capacity to fend of foreign attacks and/or hide. Even though kiana has just started learning the power of cof, she already is at least emanator level
But the Aeon of Finality is Terminus, not Kiana. Also Terminus exists backwards in time, as in: THEY where born at the end of all things, and is moving back to our timeline.
So unless Kiana in the HSR timeline managed to ascend to Aeonhood at the very end of existence itself, chose a new name, and is now moving backwards in time, I don't think she'll reach Aeonhood.
BUT YOUR using HSRs logic, your forgetting that hi3 HAS THEIR OWN world building, with literally Kiana acting as an anchor to CONNECT a dying UNIVERSE to the main timeline so that it won't die, LITERALLY GGZ has multiple finalities and your insinuating that only one finality can exist?? Your forgetting that literally KEVIN was the first herrscher of finality in the current era while Kiana was also given the role of finality??
Terminus and finality is definitely NOT finality that is established in ggz and hi3. And its a translation error. There can not be any emanator, or aeon of finality, or any path of it either. Kiana is the only one who successfully embraced the cocoon of finality, no one else ever has.
Wow born at end of time 😮😮😮😀😀😐😐😐😐😂😂😂😂😂
If Kiana would be only Emanator level.
What Emanator shoots across the bubble dimension to kill a singluar beeing, pinpoint (Well thanks to Prom for the coordinates of SA)
Still feel, Kiana is not yet, at her full potential of being Finality.
Especially she is in hibernation/deep sleep when the Memokeeper "infiltrated" her dream just like that.
Seeing Kiana's appareance, could be just a projection of herself.
And she isn't even awake but still emits a "wave" like an Emanator.
Kiana even refuses to let the Memokeeper look fully into her memories, which I can totally agree on and understand.
So the Memokeeper cant 100% tell how strong Kiana is.
And can't forget that Herrscher of the End/Finality is capable of destroying worlds single handedly.
I'm just curious of what Kiana will be with full potential of her powers.
Also, not into context of above.
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Thats something lan could do pretty easily, lan being not as powerful as some others aeons since its path is the narrowest (the hunt), and the wider the path, the more powerful
@@Mika_Serv Hmm... Can't argue on that. Could see that the Aeon of the Hunt can do that honestly.
What Kiana shot should be Pluto, or at least a dwarf planet in the similar or further distance away
Also Bubble World's aren't that large compared to how everyone actually thinks of them as Universes, Bubble World's are just small pocket dimensions created by Finality resets a world, with fragments of that reset being known as Bubble World's, so technically speaking, a Bubble World could only be the size of the planet that it fragmented from, but the largest cap that we know of, or the largest one that we currently know is at least the size of Europe/Continent
Also another think is, Emanators is at least solar system levels of power in a minimum and the strongest should be Galaxy Level of Power, and it has been said that this is just small fragments of power that the Aeons gave to there chosen followers, making it so that the Aeons themselves should be even more powerful and busted than there Emanators
I would say that Kiana is at least in the middle of the pact in Emanator power scaling though simply because we saw little of her newfound feats and she is still training as well, so she should become stronger in the future with her training coming along
I think the Memokeeper thinks Kiana as atleast Emanator power due to her having immense power even though she's merely a human since Herrschers are beyond of her knowledge (cause you know, the isolation and stuff)
Looking at the entire context of that Memokeeper scene is important.
This is a Kiana who is still in a dream and yet with her will/whim alone created waves on par with an Emanator-- mind you she is not even stated to be using the Authority of Finality proper while doing so or any of her other authorities. In other words, this is a casual showing from her.
From other statements so far we also learn that the Aeons cannot gaze upon the HI3rd solar system likely because of the barriers surrounding it (Honkai Energy Tidal Zones) which themselves were possibly put in place by the Cocoon of Finality or some extension of the Honkai.
So with that in mind-- at the moment we know Kiana can casually perform Emanator tier feats through her will alone and the full Cocoon is out here blinding the higher-dimensional Aeons to the existence of this particular solar system despite said Aeons being capable of traversing to the top of the Imaginary Tree, destroying the universe, and other such impressive feats they have in their collective lore.
Whether or not Kiana herself at her maximum while using all of her authorities can box with an Aeon is still in question (It'd be a little weird since Aeons like IX aren't even physical beings), but at the moment the Lore seems to be leaning in the direction where she should be able to slap around most Emanators and isolate parts of space so thoroughly that not even Aeons can find it. Which at least implies some relativity.
If you include statements made in HI3rd Part 1.5 by other characters then Kiana might be stronger since the Cocoon is stated to transcend all dimensions and that Kiana is said to be equal to the Cocoon outright whereas Aeons in their own game are Higher-Dimensional beings rather than a power beyond everything.
Honestly, though, there is enough material out there to form good arguments for both sides. It will ultimately be up to Hoyo to provide some clarity. Be it through this collab or future content.
Well said 👍
Some people after seeing the current main story that Kiana is only Emanator level at max like bruh 😆
As of now, I do agree that currently she is an Emanator/Higher Emanator level.
Just think of Goku's UI on the Manga, Mastered but not actually 100% mastered/perfected yet and can still become stronger.
@@Rhitzs Emanator or High Emanator is a pretty good level to be at imo especially without having to commit to a Path like other Emanators. She gets to be pretty strong while retaining her freedom (Ya know minus the whole part about having to be in the moon for ten years)
Wait where did they say aeon cannot gaze in honkai impact 3rd world? And is just bcz of honkai blocking the view?
Also are aeons one of a kind are are their parallel version of then in each timeline? Since the are higher dimensional I guess they would be one of a kind able to effect multiple branches? Idk...
OK so its from a recent chapter. I got the tl:
Beyond the interstellar barrier (Honkai energy tidal zones), which no human power can hope to overcome, the names of those incarnations of higher concepts have already echoed across the universe.
Mortals praise THEIR name, kiss THEIR traces, follow THEIR path, and yearn for THEIR gifts. Through THEIR great power, intelligent beings can traverse the stars, embarking on their own journeys through the vast sea of stars."
Nothing about aeon not being able to see honkai impact 3 solar system. Am I missing something?
@bluemoon9683 'Beyond those barriers, their names and concepts have long echoed throughout the universe'. Yet despite echoing throughout the entire universe they have yet to breach the Honkai barriers hence why there are no characters who follow their paths in the HI3rd Solar System. I believe that is the interpretation being used here.
Later in that scene Vita says she is curious what will happen when they (Aeon) do look towards the sun though. So it might be more the case that the Cocoon of Finality can hide/be unseen but it won't be a permanent solution.
Which maybe will lead to one of the Aeons getting involved in the plot of HI3rd. Who knows. There were certainly theories of Mytus and Shadow Dreamseeker being connected floating around.
We never know the extent of CoF authority outside of it solar system. While Aeon been destroying galaxy and creating chaos on a daily basis.
Go read the Second Key manga. CoF has been across the entire Imaginary Tree before coming into the Solarsystem.
It has explored imaginary tree according to alien key but unlike aeons it has zero influence on widee scale like aeons...it can travel imaginary tree but has zero feats of manipulating or having influence over imaginary tree on level of aeons...it has not had influence beyond hi3 earth anywhere
@@infamouspotato2028 That's...simply not true. It influences whatever star system it is in, which is why SA was hiding at the edge of the Solarsystem in the SoQ. It's ended countless worlds across the Imaginary Tree before even coming into the Solarsystem, where it took out the majority of the planets before even arriving at Earth, such as Venus, Mars, and others based on Kevin's vision from the moon arc. Earth was its final stop.
@@infamouspotato2028bruh otto alone disproves you.
Bro could create yes create new branches in the imagonary tree with just a false god authority from the cocoon.
An authority which the cocoon didnt even mind to take back lol.
@@BlueCHMAotto created a new star system which isn't a big big feat
Hopefully when the other half of the collab (if the leaks are true) the Devs can finally answer this power scale debate once and for all.
Why is Aeon positioned as superior to Herrscher?
Is it because Aeon has been confirmed to be able to destroy stars and galaxy while Herrscher can't even destroy Earth?
I played and followed the story of Hi3 and HSR, but I don't feel like Herrscher is weaker than Aeon.
As a long-time VSB fan, I understand quite well how power levels work. and therefore I understand that Herrscher is not unable to destroy Earth but because someone is stopping them. I'm talking about Flamechasers, Mantis, S-Rank Valkyrie, Divine Key and other Honkai technologies.
Meanwhile, Aeon can do whatever they want because no one can stop them. Emanator, the second strongest, is still bound to Aeon. Even though there are those who try to fight Aeon like the "Alliance" in the end it's still just a "desire".
Memokeeper said that Kiana's "Will" emits waves equivalent to Emanator. But I think that's just a crude metaphor from a lower existence trying to describe something it doesn't understand. Even the supposedly most talented Black Swan could misjudge Acheron, and a random Memokeeper trying to describe Kiana? That's ridiculous.
Because Aeons are concepts themselves personified, for example, Mythus the Enigmata is not the Aeon of Enigmata but is the Enigmata themself, Enigmata is a broad path that has mystery, subjective knowledge, fiction, dreams, art, creativity all under it, but in easy words, Mythus themself personifies the concepts of uncertainties, mysteries and possibilities, the path of Enigmata and Mythus are one and the same thing, thats why when a character says they follow the Erudition for example it automatically means they follow Nous, as Erudition = Nous, again personification and stuff, these is also why Aeons use the word "The" between there names and then there paths, like Fuli THE Remembrance in most in game text, or how there names are interchangable with there paths, like The Erudition blessed ___ which obviously is referring to Nous but instead of using there name they use The Erudition, meanwhile Herrschers and Archons are addressed with the titles of Herrscher OF Wind or God OF Freedom, where as they are just affiliated to the concept they do not personify it, Venti is not Freedom itself, unlike Aha who is Elation itself personified. Thats why they are more powerful, abstract and less human then most of the Archons and Herrschers, even if Herrschers awaken they are still human, if you cought them off guard they will surely die, Aeons in another case can't really die, as even if the personification dies the concept/path lives on, unless the path gets absorb by another Aeon in Ena's case. Also i think the design of the Herrschers and Aeons are enough of differentation, Aeons look eldritch and beyond human eg. Qlipoth is a huge space rock, Tazzyroth is a human insect hybrid, Lan is half human half horse, and Yaoshi has many hands, while Herrschers are just humans with different clothes and powers that can distort space or control wether, but they mostly don't operate in a grand scale. While Aeons can change the entire nature of existance itself, like Mythus could hide so many information about the universe if they like, they can also create organic life atleast according to SU G and G, produce dream bubbles, Fuli could erase the entire universe memories and control memoria, Nous could reveal the absolute truths of the cosmos and even predict the future via calculations using data from past and present, feats Herrschers are rarely shown or able to do atleast in in a massive scale as Aeons, as the Aeons literally help keep the balance in the imaginary tree by opposing each other but also allowing it to exist via the concepts they personify.
Herrschers do not personify anything they just act as prophets for the Honkai (Sirins' words herself in the manga), kinda like how Emanators are prophets of there Aeons.
@@crystaluwu1012There is a big difference between "Personification" and "Embodiment".
Personification is an entity that is recognized or claims to be an embodiment of a certain concept based on its characteristic and actions, in the case of Aeon, let's call it Path.
Then Embodiment is a concept that manifests itself.
Aeon is in the category of "Personification". As you said even if Aeon dies, their Path still runs because they are just symbols. It is a big mistake to think that the authority of Aeon is absolute.
While Herrscher are fragments of Finality, each of them representing nature and civilization. Basically they are also "Personification".
And for Archon, let's ignore it because it is too pitiful to compare them with Aeon and Herrscher.
The great one>Aeons>emanators>hersshers i don't care what kind of fanfiction you have in your head
@@ichwan257 then may bad lols, its best to say embodiment but you get the concept, the Aeons personify/embody the very concept itself like, if you gave a house walking legs and ability to talk and do what they want kinda idea, instead for concepts, for example if you gave the concept/idea of remembering a body, a will and a mind, that is Fuli, same goes for Ena as they are the concept of order itself, Mythus the concept of mystery itself, Nous the concept of finding knowledge/searching for truth itself, while Herrschers are not the literal embodiments of there powers/domains, like you don't look me in the eye and tell me the wind and Wendy are the same person/thing just because Wendy is the Herrscher of Wind. The same doesn't apply to Aeons, as the concept of Elation when given a will is Aha itself. No you are wrong when you said when an Aeon 'dies' as death isn't really a thing for Aeons, when they say in game an Aeon dies, it means the embodiment/vessel is dead, meaning if Mythus were to die they will no longer appear in the universe as an abstract jellyfish with intricate staircase floating around them, but they are still alive through the Enigmata, as long as the Enigmata exist, Mythus also lives on, but no longer have any comprehensible physical form, they are just like these floating idea/energy in the cosmos, Aeons are the concept itself, thats why in Hsr you can hear The Remembrance and Fuli's name being used interchangeably used with each other and are synonyms. The only way an Aeon can truly die is if there path is completly dissolve or it gets absorbed by a much broader path.
Since Hoyo likes to incorporate myths as themes like Elysia with the 12 Fusion Warrior representing Christ and his twelve apostles, what are the chances of CoF and Kiana being the equivalent of Creation Lotus and Pangu with the Aeons being Chaos Demon Gods to be slain?
The CoF being able to hide for so long and undetected is awfully too sus, as if it was waiting to cultivate someone capable of putting an "end" to everything...
Nope, I don't wanna think of any more potential pits for Hoyo to commit another GGZ. Ignore my thoughts and move along.
Fun fact: The Finality in ''Path of Finality/Aeon of Finality'', and the Finality in ''Herrscher/Cocoon of Finality'' are not the same word in CN.
For example:
''终末'' Is for The Aeon of Finality
''终需之律者'' Is for the Herrscher of Finality
TLDR:
''终末'' is the common way to say "the end".
''终需'' can be roughly translate as "Final Requirement" which is very fitting in the context of honkai in hi3
So in my opinion, trying to connect the two at this moment simply because they have the word ''Finality'' in their titles is... pointless and incorrect.
Months ago when hsr was still new, ive already learned aeons were on average stronger then herrschers and people didnt believe me.
Imo i think shes low aeon level we havent seen much from the aeons to know for sure. Not only her though, i believe kevin kaslana with finality and his mantis form is also low aeon level since they had the same power and even though he disnt master it it was clear he was holding back against their final battle which he was already at a disadvantage.
There is no low aeon level all Herrschers besides kianna ain't even Emanator level. Even Kevin
ppl still dont understand first of all cocoon of finality cant be a emanator of finality bc is a honkai thing ( a alien force)
Finality aeon is a imaginary thing creadted by the tree
Water can turn into ice but can’t turn into fire
Kiana is actually far overpass emanator lvl,
read the dialog again
“With your will u make a wave like an emanator at the side star that got reflected on the our mirror”
Or something like that the memorykeeper said
She mention the side star part bc that was the shoot that kiana make at the mini planet on the border of the solar system (universe on eng translation lol) with one finger to fulminate SA on part 1.5, before kiana start asimilating honkai 10years ago
That make a disaster on the time and reality so the memorykeeper see that on thier mirror
That wasnt even 10% of her power
That was kiana trying her best to control her power bc she disnt want to destroy the planet and sa represents only was just 5/100 kiana power
Take in consideratiin that the cocoon was chilling in venus before any actual aeon exist
Also like an aeon is a tree child
Cocoon is a honkai child
They are equal greather forces in honkai universe but honkai is a alien force that has no limitations unlike aeons with imaginary
Cocoon alrdy:
Manupulate multiple concepts
Create things from nothing
Recycle souls
Revive death with no side effects
Give inmortality
Etc
Exactly. And WoH also isn't bound to anything. If the Aeons think of anything other than their paths, they basically die, thus also restricting their power to certain things. Like, Nanook can't create life, Xipe can't cause Chaos. IX can't want to do anything.
WoH is basically an Aeon without any of the restrictions.
Off topic, but I'm more curious at whether or not the collab with Star Rail will be canon or not. It sure won't be canon in Honkai since any event that's happend prior to Part 2 is on different Leaf/Bubble. Star Rail so far hasn't shown a Doppelganger that's a 1:1. And no, Wolf and Bronya only share face. That's it
Welt Yang:
@@sanejingliufan snowboard (I'm not disagreeing. Just it's funny as heck)
Wait for the story to know cannon or not.
随着版本的更新，琪亚娜基本被定格在令使的位置上了。
Until we see Kiana actually use her powers for something other than sniping Sa from light years away using very little power (Aeon of Hunt type feat) we don't actually know what she's capable of or her limits especially since Fu Hua wittled down Sa and Hare gave her coordinates to land the hit. She literally went to sleep soon after and hasnt been able to show off anything since, and unlike StarRail there weren't many planetary level threats running around to really show off what Finalitys capable of until after she fell asleep. Sure the writers could have had her casually had her destroy a planet from a different dimension like the cocoon would but thats not in Kianas character which is also a factor in why we haven't seen her do much.
We still don't know what Kiana/Cocoon is capable of while we've already gotten feats from multiple Aeons. The story for the Aeons and Finality are written vastly differently with Finality being a much more mysterious primordial concept in both games so we wont get a definitive answer until maybe Apho 3 or 4 (def wont be in StarRail for a long time). Also should be noted that the scale of Impact started city level and has since slowly grown to multi universal, while StarRail started universal, which is why its harder to scale the two since Impact started smaller scale and is still expanding. It'll probably become more clear when Kiana wakes up and is fully fused with the cocoon, but until then it's kinda up in the air but leaning closer in Finalitys favor simply because of the mystery aspect and how StarRail treats the concept.
We saw quit a bit of Kianna HoF in terms of fighting at least, we even play as her , against Kevin , so there's that .
We still don't know The maximum extent of the powers of the two to compare
@@Kobalt_Rax_the_one thats not even her with the autority of finality, at that point Kevin still had it, after Kevin defeat she got the full autority and even more enbranced the CoF
Remember that it was said that Kiana did the shot with the less amount of energy or firepower with the goal of hit Sa but protecting the small planet, as Hua said, one minor deviation of the cordinates and power just the aftershock or wave of power could destroy the planet
@@Kobalt_Rax_the_oneShe didn't have complete authority while fighting kevin
Based on CN main story, not yet Aeon level since she's still processing CoFs authority.
That said it's pretty obvious that CoF is at least aeon level(probably even above) since it single handedly shielded and hid earth's solar system from the aeon wars that happened so many trailblaze years ago.
Sparkle managed to come to mars thanks to vita since now CoFs barrier is weaking due to Kiana processing it. Memokeeper probably chanced upon the solar system or followed the traces left by sparkle, idk. We're close to apho's timeline since sky people probably arrived when both kiana n cof were hibernating, thus the reason why bronya n mei are trying to contact kiana but no response
When you have to explain a power or a thing done by a fool, it also could be because they simply want to.
They are so chaotic and intuitive that even know how to play the story game on which they are.
The collab won't be cannon imo
@@DusDusDus vita(starfarer) tried to go out of the solar system way back but was unable to coz of the barrier by CoF. Now she tried again but she opted on sending signals outside inviting others(sparkle). Thats how sparkle found her way even though its still quite isolated. Idk if i understood it properly since im still learning cn but i think sparkle invited her to the fools and she accepted.
但问题是，花火现在到了...
阿哈没道理做不到
@@Honamiichinose all collabs r canon though?
if kiana can't destroy 4 planets for shits and giggles
then she's not even IPC level excluding the stonehearts💀
Wasn't her 1% finger gun beam said to be capable of destroying a planet or something? 😭
@@therealestsparkle im just sayin it's laughable that 1% of her is comparable to buncha normal humans with insane tech ☠️🙏
for someone that's the herrscher of finality, i expect 1% to be absolutely incomparable to humans 😭
@@veranstratos so her being above someone who can slice through time, bend space, kill higher dimensionsal being ect is normal human level? Hi3 doesn't rely on destructive power, it's a more hax base verse
@@BluTru i've literally never said kiana = normal humans in hsr bruh ☠️
i said *WITH* insane tech (the laser cannon carried them IPC employees to planetary level cuz the said laser cannon is planetary)
and you somehow concluded my words as "100% kiana = human level" ☠️
i know she's powerful but i expected her 1% laser to be stronger than mere man-made tech, that's all
anyway, how strong is she compared to the herrschers kevin annihilated?
@@veranstratos the only herrscher that is even close to kiana is previous Era herrscher of the end
One theory I have is that she, and the coccoon, are actually terminus, except, before it awakens and starts travelling backwards in time
Eversince people started to compare the power-scalings between HI3 and HSR, my thought process was allways that "normal" herrschers are on emanator level (with decent controll of their powers such as HoT, HoR, HoS,...) and a HoF Kiana on Aeon level... back then, before the possibility of HI3 and HSR beeing within the same universe popped up, i was even one of the people who assumed that the Aeon of Finality Terminus could be a ver. of kiana in HSR...
But with the conversation between Kiana and the Memokeeper aswell as Sparkle appearing in the HI3 main story, hinting at both games beeing set in the same universe, i now belive that kiana (even after mastering her HoF powers) would be considered Emanator level... heck, i can even see the Cocoon of Finality originally a former Emanator of Finality before "embracing" kiana and granting her it'S authority, turning her into its "emanator"-like avatar in for of the Herrscher of Finality..
I also want to point that when i say "emanator level", i mean to say that she would be catogorized as an Emanator by HSR terms/standards as introducing a potential Aeon level character who wields the authority of Finality into HSR where there already exists an in universe well known Aeon of Finality, would only lead to extreme comfusion for those who have not played or interacted with HI3... I can see and wish for kiana to be Aeon level (part of me still wants her to be Terminus or a alt future version of Terminus, as Termius is all about traveling against time from the future) but the most likely scenario will be her just being labeled as the strongest Emanator every, having been granted an immense portion of the Aeon of Finality's powers and allmost riveling the paths Aeon...
Huh?
Hinting?
The devs states years ago they're creating a multiverse
Welt from HSR is literally Welt from HI3 who traveled through to save Himeko from The Sky People (in HSR he calls them The Ones Above) which is why she's alive and with him.
Them existing in the same universe would retcon the Alien Space manga, which just states Star Rail's world is a parallel universe. That manga, in particular, is what sets up Welt being in Star Rail so I don't think they'd contradict it. Same universe also creates a lot of plot holes with how the World Tree is explained in HI3rd itself.
Basically, it's more likely that the world beyond the Imaginary barriers around the Solar System of HI3rd is its own cosmos, but nonetheless, beings like the Aeons who can traverse the Imaginary Tree hold influence over said cosmos regardless.
As for how Sparkle is in HI3rd in the case of the two games being separate universes-Well, if Welt can find a nice and conveniently placed portal to the world of HSR like he did, then I can see Sparkle doing something to the same effect.
@Regulus_Dreamer no they don't its a theory of Worlds and translations are not good
@@mercer_am459 i know that and i agree with you on that... I myself have long noticed how many plotholes and confusions it would create but when dealing with the such complicated stories, we just can't ignore possibility of a retcon, doesn't matter if it's a minor retcon or a major one... many stories experience either form of retcon at least once...
But as of now, we just have to wait for future story updates on both HI3 and HSR (exlueding the collab) and hope that they're not retconing anything...
@@mercer_am459
Huh?
I think you've never played Honkai Impact 3rd, nor read anything about it
1- Void Archives doesn't call it a parallel universe
2- The Honkaiverse (which includes HI3, HG2, GI, and HSR) all exists within the same universe, composed of the Imaginary Tree which encompasses the Sea of Quanta
They can't be parallel universes when HSR encompasses multiple "worlds", when HI3 only has one (itself)
Nothing gets retconned, it's always been like this
Please stop spreading misinformation when you're clearly not a player of both games
As others point out the Cocoon might only be a shadow of Terminus, kinda like IX blackhole shadows all across the universe, the Cocoon can reset Earth, Terminus can reset the entire universe/the imaginary tree, destroying it then recreating it from the start.
CoF has been around since the start of time. It's billions of years older than all Aeons combined, including Terminus. Meaning it's impossible for it to be a shadow. What are its shadows are the Herrschers, each fragments of the CoF's will. That relationship is much more like an Aeon and its Emanators than Emanator with Emanators. And we know for sure that Honkai isn't related to Aeons at all. Finality in Hi3 has nothing to do with HSR Finality. Hi3 Finality is the force that keeps the Imaginary Tree and SoQ stable. The two are like Welt put it, "completely different in nature."
@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 it might be because of Terminus nature as a being outside of the timeline, again, in my interpretation the cocoon is merely a shadow of Terminus like how IX shadows in the 3rd dimension are blackholes, Izumo technically was sucked into a shadow of IX, but still you can detect Terminus presence through the shadow, if you know things about string theory and how higher dimensional objects might look like when interacting with lower dimensional objects then the shadow/cocoon might be like that, a manifestation of Terminus from a higher dimension, Terminus is a higher dimensional being that personofies the concept of finality, the end of all things and the renewal of a new cycle, they are outside the timeline as they manipulate and might even be time itself and therefore cannot be rendered in age, because how many times have the Hoyoverse universe even be reseted? Probably a million or even trillions of times, that might be where the whole cocoon age came from, which the story misrepresents as the age of the cocoon but is actually how many times the universe had reseted, its a reflection/shadow of Terminus that is projecting in the 3d world that is a million years old because Terminus is outside the timeline because they are responsible for resting the Imaginary Tree, how can you exactly calculate the age of the very Aeon that resets the universe every hundreds and thousands and might even be millions of years? Exactly?, also people keep misinterpreting the Hoyoverse, each leaf in the of the Imaginary three is a world/star system, these is lost in translation, not an entire universe, HI3 Earth, all the planets we travel in HSR, and Teyvat co exist in the same universe and not in a multi verse, meaning they are all each individual planets/ star systems/locations in the grander hoyoverse/imaginary tree, its also why we see so many similarly occuring characters (expys) in different planets since the Imaginary tree likes to recycle assets/data, the Astral express travel through these different leaves in the three via Akivili's power (an Aeon), and all these worlds are seperated by an imaginary barrier only emanators, aeons, the Astral express and powerful pathstriders can past through. Also i think Hoyoverse universe atleast in these current reset isn't that old, maybe its just freshly reset by Terminus? Idk Mythus is kinda hiding alot of info about the era before Qlipoth, or if that, the era of Leviathans even existed and is not just some fiction HF and the Enigmata made.
These also why lore nerds in HSR fandom do not include Terminus when talking about Aeons age, because Terminus is both at the begining and end of the universe, it should be like
-Terminus (outside the timeline)
Oroborus
Qlipoth
Ena
Long
Aha
Akivili
Tazzyroth
Fuli
Xipe
Nous
Mythus
IX (?)
Idrila (?)
Yaoshi
Lan
Nanook
Maybe future Aeons (?)
---
Terminus (outside of the timeline)
Infact Terminus might not even be born yet, again they are too complicated to be taken by age, if the cocoon is there shadow/projection/reflection it only makes sense it will be thought as a million years old sense Terminus is techniqually old as fuck, if you add how many times they have reseted the timeline.
@@crystaluwu1012all aeons is outside the time line,it's proven in the swarm event where qlipoth hammer can reach terminus in the future so if qlipoth can do it,all aeons can do it too since there is no hierarchy among all aeons.
HooH might be as old as Terminus or maybe older(?)
I mean HooH is the one keep the Universe balance from the beginning to the end.ensuring thats the Universe has start and end@@crystaluwu1012
I think people are down playing hsr powerful pathstriders like the stellaron hunters are atleast planetary level emanators are atleast Dwarf star-Galaxy level depending on the emmanator in questions because not all emanators are equal when sunday put everyone in a dream that dream covered a galaxy acharon nullified that while finality kiana i do believe can easily scale to galaxy-multi galaxy with ease aeons easily scale to Universe level-High Universe level
No
about Zephyro destroy a galaxy
data bank says imaginary tree is a one universe with many worlds
They used 星系" (xīng xì) in Chinese means galaxy.
To describe world size
It is composed of two characters:
星 (xīng): star
系 (xì): system, series
Therefore, 星系 literally translates to "star system", referring to a vast system of stars, gas, dust, and dark matter bound together by gravity.
It's obvious that no world in hsr have showed milky Way size
So Solar system level
( hi3 world is actually solar system but since it's don't have silver rails because akvili didn't go to it so they didn't say about it in data bank and a little of people have come to it as sparkle)
The finality in hsr with Acheron is featless hence scales nowhere
Equalize it with hi3 one because it's have same name falls under nominal fallacy
Acheron needed her real form to slash dreamscape which only cover asdana star system and it was already collapse due to galaxy rangers awakening people from dream
@@Leap_second1There is elegy statement about finality
What is Terminus?
Elegy: THEY are the god of Finality, traveling against time from the future. THEY appear at every moment of Finality, bringing prophecies and records of the past and future
Is Finality the end of everything?
Elegy: No. Finality causes amber to rupture, immortality to wither, music to mute, light arrows to dim, the Dark Sun to be reduced to ashes, and the Tavern to be covered in dust. Even Destruction itself cannot be spared from destruction.
Elegy: Yet, Finality isn't the end of everything. All things will originate from there and move on to the next Finality.
According to Elegy, a member of the Creed Exequy, Finality is the end of other Aeons and Paths: Finality causes amber to rupture, immortality to wither, music to mute, light arrows to dim, the Dark Sun to be reduced to ashes, and the Tavern to be covered in dust. Even Destruction itself cannot be spared from destruction. Yet, Finality isn't the end of everything. All things will originate from there and move on to the next Finality.
@@Leap_second1and i believe Iirc Hsr Finality in cn translate to something like King of Finality,like in english they call Them god of Finality so its the same i guess
We know that a mortal can ascend to Aeonhood just like nanok, there is nothing stopping Kiana to do the same
Huh~ Hoyo probably will follow GGZ path again. Kiana might end up turn into level of Aeon but not Aeon. So she not bound to the path but also not bound to physical plane again. But if you really in deep reading HSR lore. Qlipoth is like a child born baby compare to Cocoon existence. Hoyo already shows timeline for both game. Yet people don't calculate on how most Aeon are literally young except HooH, Ouroboros, Ena, Long and Terminus. Which is why this 5 are called Ancient Aeon instead of oldest Aeon.
Ena is long gone and Long have been missing for a lot time, that leave HooH, Ouroboros and Terminus.
@@cesargomez80 basically you don't realize what im talking about. But what you say is still right.
@@cesargomez80 my bet is on hooh or finality.i just hope they drop some more lore about aeons and stelllaron.
Terminus is both the oldest and the youngest Aeon. it ascended to Aeonhood at the end of time and is traveling backwards to the beginning of time, so they are oldest at the beginning of time and youngest at the end of time by normal time standards.
@@motemo8413 Maybe Kiana BECOMES Terminus at the end of time that's why both her and CoF represent "Finality" but are distinct entities.
this is a difficult question to answer at this point from my opinion.
its simple really. when the trio first ascend the end of part 1 up to the final battle against Kevin they are emanator level of power. strong emanators, but only that. however after they win. and kiana gets the full power of finality, she is a Aeon. no if and or but about it, a weak one as she figures shit out. the things she did after that are things a emanator just couldnt. not being able to go down to earth immediately after cuz her presense would obliterate the unstable planet. the fight with SA obliterating it from another world using a fraction of her power to not destroy that world.
If the Herrscher/Emanator conversion has to be made she would be one of the youngest, powerful and least experienced Emanators known to date (alive).
Why the least experienced? What Acheron was not affected, Feixao took only a few minutes, Kiana has taken days? Weeks? And she still hasn't completely gotten rid of it, which is still the same weakness she has always had (and shares that weakness with the Trailblazer) which is psychic attacks. While Acheron's lousy memory and sense of direction plays a trick on her from time to time and Feixao may not survive extreme conditions like space or withstand attacks like Kiana's Finality Bullet, I don't see Kiana at the level of an Aeon yet... That she will be in the future? We'll see
Hi3 happens earlier than hsr
at the current hi3, welt still hasn't departed nor the sky people arrive yet.
When kiana faced memokeeper n refused her reading memories, memokeeper noted that kiana is at least emenator level despite being a "toddler". This is a few years after part 1 so kiana is still processing cofs power. CoF shielded solar system for so long already(it's older than aeons like qlipoth), aeon wars etc happened and CoF is still going strong meaning it's full capacity is still unknown but definitely a powerhouse even when placed besides aeons
@@4rch0711 If I remember correctly during chapter 32 there was a conversation between Dr. Mei and Prometheus talking about the analysis of the residual Honkai energy fragments on the Moon and it dates back to over 250mil years ago Earth, and surely that recording was made during the Flamechasers era i.e. the Honkai arrived on our planet/solar system/galaxy over 300mil years ago, assuming there are no other CoF out there.
I guess the devs didn't want to break their heads on that and made the IPC adopt the same calendar as ours and that also explains why the only character that has had her birthday celebrated in HSR is March 7th.
And if we do the conversion to Amber Eras, we get the math that the Honkai has existed for more than 3000 Amber Eras ago.
Which Aeons were alive back then?
When it comes to explaining the Lore this will take its toll on us.
实际上普通的仙舟人有断头后存活的案例😂
所以，极端环境恐怕不会有什么问题，毕竟仙舟人拥有目前最完美的丰饶赐福....
@@DeiKuromu The COF was testing Mars more or less 1B years ago as per part 2 not to mention that COF also tested in Venus...
@@healu5293 And you where did you get such a bs of information when we have:
Sa, acquired its power from a Cocoon less powerful than the CoF and that is why it has been hiding from the Honkai in the depths of the Sea of Quanta and has been consuming Bubble universes to acquire power and survival.
And the Sky People, parasite-like civilization that has surpassed the Honkai in its own way and that do not have a Vessel for its Cocoon (if it still has one, maybe they have already consumed all their energy and that was why they are wandering all over the Cosmos).
To think that there is only one CoF for only one solar system/galaxy/universe is to be very short minded, HI3 has to last (according to Da Wei) at least 4 more years and it won't be with only collaborations.
Just want to inform that one of the oldest Aeons Qlipoth is only 500k+ years old while Cocoon of Finality is millions of years old. That's all you need to know since Kiana still in the process of mastering the authority.
@@Skadi9890 it was IPC propaganda and was mentioned by herta in su .all the records before it was destroyed by aeon of enigmata. Welt also stated their is a huge gap in between the creation of universe and qlipoth birth during that time creatures like leviathan was their.
Would age really be a good metric of power though
Have you forgotten HooH the Aeon of balance (creation and destruction)
@@Anonymous-fm5wmquestion where exactly was it mentioned enigmata destroyed record events before qilpoth? And when did welt mentioned the gap between the universe creation and qilpoth?
@@mercer_am459Usually with dieties and beings like that, the older , the more powerful you are . But it is not always the case ,in fiction so yea .
Memokeeper said with 'your will' you have created the waves of an envoy , and her will is that of honkai , which is just a very small part of her consciousness , 'her will' and if you read the on the loading screen it shows that Emanator are the 'will' of aeon . So they are at the same level
I think it's more of a casual showing situation.
In total, she has: all Herrscher authorities, which encompasses a lot of powers + The Full Authority of Finality and the Remnants of Project Stigma, which she absorbed.
None of which she used to create that Emanator level wave. So this is, very likely, a casual showing from Kiana here. Meanwhile, the cocoon itself/Honkai can create barriers around the solar system that Aeons can't see through despite their insane cosmic powers.
Being conservative-I'd say Kiana is on a higher end of the Emanator level and has the potential to do things that would affect even an Aeon.
That said, I don't think she'd be able to kill one of them, though, mostly because of their higher-dimensional existence, allowing them to manifest thousands of emanations or avatars of themselves in lower realities.
Take IX, for example. His manifestations or emanations are all just black holes that exist across the universe. There's like thousands of them. Kiana can destroy a shadow of that Aeon fairly easily, but that still leaves thousands across the universe and the true entity in a higher existence. At best, it'd be a very boring task to accomplish. At worse she just can't do it.
@@mercer_am459' i think ' ,it's your head canon isn't? Honkai has been destroying civilization's even before Qlipoth was even a thing , it's literally more than 250 billion years old
@@animaxstorys3904 Not really headcanon bro. Kiana isn't noted to be using all of her authorities which we know she has to create that wave, that's what I was trying to say. Plus the cocoon creating those barriers around the solar system does mean it can at least affect people on the scale of the Aeons to at least some small extent. *All of this is just an observation of what is stated so far in the story*. So argue with the writers I guess.
I agree though. Honkai is older than most Aeons, even the OGs who have been around for a very long time. That is a good point though not sure what it adds the discussion. Age is not necessarily a metric of power, is it? What do you think?
@@mercer_am459 simple , cacoon is older so it has been destroying universe's and increasing it powers for a very long time ,age does make a difference
@@animaxstorys3904
但虚无只需要醒来，就能毁灭整个宇宙...
这比崩坏高效太多了
Kiana is already an Aeon herself lol, she sniped an Aeon-wannabe (Sa) to oblivion across the Milky Way just with finger gun pose "bang~"
Playable Kiana in HSR when
Guys, imagine that Cocoon of Finality is Terminus's eye ball.
Also an interesting note - did anyone else notice how, as terminus is said to "travel back in time to the beginning ", Kiana also does literally this in the Graduation short...
Just pointing that out 😏
With the song "da capo" quite literally meaning "from the beginning "
Whilst I do enjoy these ideas, I think something a lot of people are forgetting is that the title of Finality is simply what the characters use to describe the final Herrscher. But, in reality, the authority of the final Herrscher wouldn't be finality, but rather just Honkai. Hence why, when Kiana fully takes on the authority, she gains not only the authorities of all of the other Herrschers, but also the ability to simply flat out control Honkai at it's most basic, and most advanced, levels.
@@nemasisdemarini8339 Exactly, Finality is time (kevin). Finality is the beginning of everything, and the end of everything. Its the alpha and the omega. This terminus aeon and the claim that's its finality is not making any sense considering that only kiana has ever successfully embraced the cocoon of finality which is a higher dimensional being than even the img tree. Thus this claim of terminus being an aeon of finality is either a translation error, or a retcon.
@@KoKoNuTz232 No, Terminus is Finality. It is the Aeon of the End. It's just that Honkai, which is what Kiana has power over, is far more encompassing than that. And the only reason the last Herrscher is referred to as Finality, is because it's the last Herrscher. So Kiana wouldn't be Finality if she was counted as an Aeon. She'd be Honkai.
@@nemasisdemarini8339 you aren't making any sense. How can there be an aeon of finality if the cocoon trascends aeons, and if the only embrace is Kiana?
What i keep thinking is that, finality(not kiana) has lots of diffrent power and control of honkai, while aeon is bound on that universe and has 1 type of power to give, isn't finalty stongger than aeon?
Like... Honkai alone is the one that cut universe from the tree and the one that decide if a universe is consider dead or not, then having control over it mean finality is that strong.
And people seem to forgot that honkai is not part of the tree, the sea, or even a universe, and it was its own thing like the tree or sea. like the wind that cut the dying leaf to the sea
We can never rule out the possibility that Kiana may one day ascend to the same level of an Aeon or even become one herself. I mean, even a random insect did.
But as for _right now_, I feel like the writing is on the wall. If they wanted us to think of her in the same light as an Aeon, why wouldn't they simply have the Memokeeper say that instead of Emanator? Truth be told, I'm not even that fixated on what the Momokeeper said. To me, just the sheer fact that she was able to wander around in Kiana's mind uninvited *AT ALL* is itself pretty telling.
That, and I feel like people think being Emanator level is a slight because they've been ignoring the more subtle hints of how powerful they truly are. No, they aren't just about blowing up Star Systems. Take Sa for instance. For all her power, she's incapable of bypassing the Imaginary Intertidal Zones, a feat any given Emanator is capable of. Or take Acheron. She defeated her worlds incarnation of Finality before even becoming an Emanator, yet killing an Aeon clearly isn't something she can do as badly as she wants to.
The final nail in the coffin to me is the very nature of the Aeons. They are by definition the most extreme manifestation of the concept they embody. Terminus would not and _could not_ exist if there was another entity that embodied "Finality" to an equal or superior degree. Not unless the cocoon is Terminus itself, but it seems like they're setting them up to be distinct entities.
Her story is over, that's all a maybe. She's an Emanator level being only.
She is above aeons. She isn't under the img tree, aeons are. The cocoon is above the imaginary tree that's why it could exert its will over the tree. There is only cocoon of finality. This terminus and finality is NOT the same finality it cannot be. Only Kiana has successfully embraced Finality no one else has. There can not be an aeon of it, or path of it, or emanator of it because no one but kiana has ever embraced it.
@@KoKoNuTz232
Except the Aeons are also capable of imposing their will on the Imaginary Tree, (that's HooH's entire deal in fact) and they do so to a far greater scale than the cocoon, which is itself limited to just the Solar System (not even all of it since it has no influence at the absolute edge). Aeons on the other hand typically influence the universe as a whole, to the point the sol system being beyond their gaze is considered something exceptional rather than the norm.
So that alone isn't a basis for Kiana to be superior. Also, seeing as Fuli intends to recreate the tree after its destroyed (which obviously necessitates being able to survive) I'm not exactly sure them being below the tree is accurate, as Fuli would need to be fully independent to even attempt such a thing.
@@MaliciousVeracity it's not the same thing. Aeons are under the tree in dimensions, the cocoon is above the tree dimensionally. It's 3D, 4D, 5D. Only the cocoon is 5D.
I would see her strength being similar to Acheron so emanator
Kiana has all of the 12 existing herrschers abilities due to the finality literally being the sphere and the 12 herrschers just being shadows of the finality explained during the moon chapter, and literally Kiana was explained to be able to connect a bubble universe to keep it from falling into the sea of quanta, being a anchor, meaning her abilities can literally keep two timelines from collapsing, and the fact that she used 1% of her ability to just obliterate SA who was at the edge of the solar system hiding from finality due to Prometheus just pointing the coordinates.
It took finality bullet to reach sa in around 3 to 13 min in the edge of solar system. meanwhile lan casually shoot at xuange 62 light years away in less than a second.
you have to interpret the Lan + Sim Uni logs a very specific (inconsistent) way to yield that interpretation of the Xuange incident lol
It's also a matter of accuracy and power control. Lan just casually launches Lux arrows and commits mass genocide, killing millions for the sake of wiping out the denizens of abundance. Sure it works. But there is so much innocent collateral that's actually a joke. He lacks any finesse and control. Kiana on the other hand sniped a shot perfectly, taking into account the rotation of planets, moons etc etc perfectly and without hurting another being.
I'd say Kiana is more capable than Lan because she can exercise control. Lan feels closer to Nanook the more I read about them (read Dan Shu's diary part 2, I totally agree with her final sentiments).
Venus technically isn't in the edge of the solar system but rather already submerged deep inside the SoQ. So her bullet killed a god across dimension.
@@TheOmniform it's already stated by Yukong the lux arrow travels light years away.
@@TheOmniformthen How we should intepret It?
Kiana has yet to really be seen at her max in finality form, or at least maximum potential
It took the herrscher trio to take down Kevin in deliverance form(iirc, Kiana had taken AoF fully from him)
Although deliverance form is really strong, I’d argue that he’s probably able to beat all the FC’s(maybe) with pretty high difficulty(cuz we’re throwing Ellie in here)
From what we know of the fight against The End, it was an absolute wipe
The machine meant to stop her broke in an attempt to at 200%
Shamash too was only able to stun her for 12 hours
She proceeded to wipe earth and leave radiation around for 50000 years
No disrespect on Kiana, but I think she has yet to display things of that level
I mean, there's actually a given reason for that, too. And that's, that she is actively trying not to ever reach that level of output. Since getting anywhere near it could easily endanger literally everyone on Earth.
@@nemasisdemarini8339 exactly
Dont tell me youve already forgotten the 4th wall breaking, that sht was the craziest in the Trio battle against Kevin.
@@shuragaming4836 yea, that too
Ke🅱️in is that goated
this made me think a little bit and got my brain to the imaginary land for some how
I think people glaze HI3rd characters too much to the point they think they solo Aeons with ease
Definitely but with kiana's case it's definitely because she was deemed finality after all, so it's understandable for people to give her feats that surpasses that of an aeon being able to connect bubble universes to the main timeline and restoring fleeting worlds, as well as the fact that finalities rule reaching to the furthest point with some assistance just using a fraction it really does encapsulate Kiana as an end all be all, that's why it's a heated discussion.
fr bro, they are sick
In the trailer when HoYo introduced the Ten Stoneheart, they clearly ilustrated how scary Emanators and especially Aeons are.
Aeons and their Emanators were casually deleting planets and galaxies on daily basis. We have Voracity who effortlesly eats thousand of stars and planets, and Tazzyronth who destroyed so many worlds until Ena and HooH decided that it was enough.
Well, even IPC is more than capable to destroy a planet just like what they did in Chadwick side quest.
@@WovenEclipsethe problem is these glazers includes all herrscher, like, i understand if finality is comparable but other herrscher? Maybe nah.
@@WovenEclipseYes people give her feats , not Mihoyo and they act as facts , headcanon glazing .
At this point it is becoming really annoying and just spreading bs miss information .
Emamator, it’s not even a question because she is literally the finality herself and just casually destroy reality with one bat swing
She will easily destroy Aeons at full power
我们在中国论坛争论数年，得出了结果。
琪亚娜目前与黄泉同一水平。
@@catterdaioaoallpomaniannbsusyChinese forums? Can you give examples when hoyo is famous in it?
At the moment at the moment, it’s not really easy to compare the two different types of demigods because the power feets and what they can fully do of both herrscher’s and emanators are incredibly confusing and not fully exported up upon because currently Acheron it’s the only confirmed emanators actually really show off and even then her power said is still confusing and unexplored, though personally I do think herrschers and emanators are directly comparable (but not aeons that’s a whole different ballpark) because power wise the emanators and herrschers very in strength drastically, but I would say the herrschers for the most part would take the dub over the emanators because most Herrschers have been shown to consistently be state to continental levels and strength one of the weaker Herrschers wiped out 70% of the world’s population by themselves and the Honkai universe basically runs off the same logic that Mortal Kombat does It’s a rock paper scissors type
Continent?
Acheron is like solar system level
@ dog no she not
@@twinskys2502
黄泉确实是星系级别。
大部分律者无法战胜幻胧😅
@@catterdaioaoallpomaniannbsusy uh I can’t read this sorry
Just remember that Welt himself stated Aeons were above Herrschers despite HI3 amd HSR technically connected so take it with a grain of salt.
nah uh? I Dont remember him saying that
He didn’t say that he only say that aeons are capable of destroying entire galaxy but not like just destroy the galaxy but destroying planets and starts because that is what a galaxy is planets and stars and the emanator’s can destroy a planet that what he say.
@@dilandelgado7337welt only told aeons were near invincible he also compared trailblazer as an S rank Valkyrie.
@@Anonymous-fm5wm both Rita and Dudu are S-rank valks and we know the massive difference in power between them
@@dilandelgado7337Durandal, Rita, Theresa and Himeko. Those are the S Ranks Joachim have known so far. So unless he specified which S Rank, no one's gonna say Caelus/Stelle is Bianka's level
im pretty sure that either mei or bronya in part 2 in the story while speaking to the dreamseeker said that its been 5 to 6 years since kiana began living on the moon, and since APHO is 8 years AFTER kiana, mei and bronya defeat kevin and part 2 happens 2 years before APHO and welt still being around in part 1.5 which is i believe around 3 to 5 years AFTER part 1, kiana only should have only 60% mastery over finality if we're going with the theory of 1 year = 10% mastery over herrscher authority
this is all from my memory so i might be wrong, but i think kiana currently has 60% mastery and not the 90% mastery like mentioned in the video
again, this is all from memory so i might be wrong
First, the Memokeeper was just saying about Kiana willpower not her actual power
Second, the Memokeeper probably don't even know about the existence of other Gods like Kiana beside Aeons so of course she would compare Kiana to Emanator
So that didn't prove anything about Kiana power
Kiana definitely can reach Aeons level but she will need more than just mastered power of the Cocoon, she is just a newborn God, she need to expand her power, her authorities
朋友，我不觉得有人会把令使和星神搞混。
拉尼亚凯亚超星系团质量是太阳系质量的50200000000000倍，而这是星神的起点。
IMO, the question isn't to do with Kiana's power but which is stronger, the cocoon of Finality or the Aeon of finality Terminus. This is the main factor the will predicate on whether Kiana is Aeon level or not. If CoF is weaker, then kiana is weaker, if CoF is on par, than Kiana is either on par or weaker depending on whether becoming HoF makes you on par with CoF. If CoF is stronger than Kiana will most likely be stronger than Aeons. Another thing. Control over your powers does not give a direct indication of you becoming stronger but rather making you more capable of using that power correctly, so using the 10 year training arc feels rather unnecessary. When you at the state of controlling abstract concepts, your control over them, while is important is not as important as the priority of your concept in relation to other concepts. Much like how HoF is stronger than HoO because of the source of their abilities, the Aeon's jurisdiction over their concept seems much much stronger than first actualized. If it is true that the CoF is on par with the imaginary tree in terms of conceptual priority, then HoF is most likely stronger than Aeons.
Aeons born shook the universe aka the tree so scale to it
Nanook embodies the entropy death of the universe which is a natural calamity that's come eventually not in one moment
There is no aeon of fniality, its not Finality it cannot be. The cocoon is a higher dimensional being than the imaginary tree. Aeons are tied to the imaginary tree. The only person or being that has ever successfully embraced the cocoon is KIANA. She is well above the aeons. Calling her an emanator was an acknowledgment that there is a source of where her power comes from. "which aeon is there? Or is it that its beyond the gaze of aeons and even the trailblaze?" yes, because Kiana is a higher dimensional being than they are. and lower dimensional beings cannot gaze above them.
@@KoKoNuTz232 no
Terminus exist
And theory ( both are same) don't work either because both use different Chinese words
Kiana Is like herrscher of the end in Chinese or something
2-prove that cacoon higher dimensional than tree
@@KoKoNuTz232 and actually
Memo keeper only appears in peoples memories
She basically was talking to real kiana
@@Leap_second1 the cocoon is higher than the tree. the cocoon even exerted its influence on the tree. It has transcended all dimensions. Terminus is definitely not an aeon of the finality in hi3.
Once she is at full power, she will clap aeons
Even with less power, she has better scaling than Aeons.
I personally believe the cocoon and Honkai to be connected to Terminus, the Aeon of Finality. Though we know next to nothing about them, other than them traveling backwards in time from the end to the beginning of the universe, Hoyo doesn't do coincidences with names, and calling it Finality is surely an intentional choice. My guess is that the cocoon is an emanator of finality, and through it, Kiana receives her power. We also know that emanators have different levels of power depending on how much strength their Aeon grants them. Some give very little power, while others offer the full force of their path. Either way, really hard to judge yet, since we have not seen many emanators in action, and still do not know all that much about the Aeons.
In my humble opinion, even at 100% mastered CoF power kiana is nowhere near an aeon. A strong emenator perhaps at the level of Acheron yes but not an aeon. I think instead CoF is an artifact from the previous finality that harbours a new finality for the new universe samsara (since everything from the old universe must come to an end, including finality itself to make way for a new origin), and kiana being one (and probably not the only) people to harness its power, is in the contention, many many many years in the future, to become the aeon of finality herself. Strangely enough, i think kiana and elio might be in a similar position.
Kiana > Aeons not a question
I'm still not sure, after all CoF while not even being an Aeon is already capable of destroying worlds and even sheltering the solar system and also being older than almost if not all of the Aeons.
@@nyes4596 CoF is also higher dimensional than Aeons, it transcends all dimensions.
Black Swan make it clear so far , she is Emanator level , top tier one like Acheron , even stronger maybe yes , but not Aeon at all , The Coocon maybe yea , it is probably some type of Aeon , or the equivalent of one in HI3 universe .
Nowhere confirm bs is emanator
Except the data faction where described all memokeeper is “ emanator “ which not make sense because no way every people of a faction can be emanator
Kiana > Aeons is not even a question
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 i think you miss understood what i said ,i was referring to Kiana
kiana is finality level
There are three
1) When talking to the memo keeper, she asks "which god(aeon) is protecting this place?". Given the wording it seems that she is implying that whatever is being done is an aeon level feat, or that there is reason to believe they have an aeon/god of their own in hi3 universe. That means that CoF is likely aeon level.
2) Kiana did merge with the cocoon but she has not harnessed it's powers, and this keeps being reiterated. What's more - She was taking a goddamn nap at the time when the "emanator level" reading took place. That should tell you enough.
3) I think that what's in welts statement about aeons and the honkai from before is interesting - he calls them "different in nature". That is true, because it's not a powerscaling issue but the "nature of their power" issue. I don't think either is stronger than the other and it's not an apples to apples comparison. Imo He basically highlighted how the aeons are likely stronger at their singular path, but the cocoon is not constrained by a path at all (high versatility with high raw power vs highest raw power with zero versatility)
It's a Memokeeper we're talking about not a Space Battle powerscaler so I say reading her will is just enough to somewhat gouge her strength.
We all saw BS get torn to shreds when she tried taking a glimpse at Acheron's mind without even her noticing.
So yeah she (Kiana) is an Emanator level figure but a pretty strong one.
@@mirageknight8070 The emanator claim is just an acknowledgement that there is a greater source of where her power comes from. She follows that up with asking if its beyond the gaze of aeons and that of the trailblaze? The cof is a higher dimensional being than the tree. Kiana is far above aeons in hsr. She is a higher dimensional being.
@@KoKoNuTz232 lmao stop with the fanfiction.
At most she's an Emanator figure to CoF - solidified by the fact that a Memokeeper infiltrated her domain and could guess her Emanator status through Kiana's Will (also fyi Emanators are the enforcers of their Aeon's Will so this further suggests that she might be an Emanator)
Besides she's not a concept or anything, she's just a "mortal" with too much raw power.
As for Aeons well any information regarding their origin should be taken with a grain of salt because Mythus exists.
@@mirageknight8070 She is not an emanator. She doesn't pass on the will of finality. The memokeeper only found traces of her from 1% of her power and couldn't reach her until she was asleep (in her dreams) after that finger blast against Sa. She is not connected the tree, aeons are. She is connected to the cocoon which is above the tree. The cocoon is a higher dimensional being than any aeon, and even the tree they are under. In terms of dimensions, Kiana would be on the same dimension as the tree. The herrschers would be her emanators. Kiana is above aeons.
Nothing I said is fanfiction regarding the cof or the tree. And everything the memokeeper said was in game.
@@KoKoNuTz232 "She's connected to the cocoon" That's why I'm saying she's an Emanator figure because of her connection to a higher being.
Also while the cocoon may be older (or maybe not depending on the truth of Aeons' origins), age doesn't have anything to do with its strength. The earth not being discovered by Akivili isn't a feat either for the verse since the new world (Amorphous) we're going to in HSR is also not reached by Them.
As for why it's not getting attention by the other Aeons even though it's destroying worlds? Again hiding isn't a feat of strength and the way it's destroying worlds is similar to Nanook (gradually and subtly destroying them through Honkai shenanigans). Unlike Tazzy and Oroboros who were actively destroying the universe at a very large scale thus garnering the attention of Qlipoth to go ham on them.
Tazzy in particular should be noted for how strong they were considering they destroyed 1/3 of the universe iirc (fyi the Imaginary Tree is the universe) and went against all of the major Aeons of their time.
Aeon level cause she literally split the universe 💀
When did she do that? Just curious.
She did it in SoQ, not even in real world.
@@tria-ey5tr Alright makes sense. Thanks.
That's not universe lil bro
Lol please , not this .
My best guess is Kiana is between Zephros to Shuhu power level. I don’t know about Shuhu since Shuhu got the Aeon pronoun.
HI3rd characters have shown that their actual potential is way higher. Kiana herself is already like way more powerful than any Emanator since she is capable of destroying dimensions like glass windows as for Aeons well all I will say is Aeons have always been overhyped similar to the Dragons Sovereigns of Genshin the fanbase tries to scale things that aren't exactly scalable Kiana currently should already be at Near Aeon level and when she gains perfect mastery of her power she could easily surpass any Aeon cuz Finality is the end of everything.
For anyone who has watched a certain Isekai anime with the character named Takatou Yougiri would understand what I mean, he is canonically one of the strongest characters in all of fiction cuz he is the literal personification of the end of everything so yeah if Kiana becomes anything like him then any Aeon is gonna be toasted 😂
Also I will always simp more for HI3rd character more than HSR so there is that too 😂
No they haven't. I'm sorry to say you HI3rd like to inflate your characters feats while ignoring the fears of any character from HSR.
HooH can instantly kill you with a breath, this was shown in Simulated Universe, no one in HI3rd has shown this level of reality manipulation save for the infamous Honkai god him/herself.
I don't think I need to remind you that Trailblazer is equivalent to an S tier Valkyrie, meaning we are equivalent to the likes of Durandal
@@bloody4558 tb is not equal to dudu
@@bloody4558S Rank Valkyries includes people like Kallen, Reanna, Cecilia, Himeko, Theresa, Rita and Bianka. And it doesn't take that long to know they're on different levels of strength. Caelus/Stelle Haven't shown any feats they have that would've put them above Joachim, so the best person they could scale to is most likely only Himeko without Vermillion Knight and Haste Gem, which is the bottom line of S Rankers. He sure as heck ain't scaling to Rita who survived Star of Eden, Cecilia who stopped Sirin's rampage and Bianka who's design to fight against Sirin's second coming
Origin severed the threads of Fate Honkai has to its Herrschers which allows them to retain their humanity if they're strong enough. The same Honkai who has invaded countless leafs on the Tree and could grants people power to scale above the Trees easy as breathing. And Mei already inherited and mastered its power
Bronya scales above to Misteln who can basically manifested anything to reality
Kiana one shotted something that already covered the entire Sea of Quanta with its shadows alone in size. Owned all 13 Authority which includes Reason, Void which allows her to turn anything unbeatable to beatable, Thunder which allows her to severe Imaginary Energy connection, Binding which absorbs all manner of energy, Curroption which affects all non/organic things, Finality which controls Time to a point that a higher beings also gets paused by it
@@bloody4558S-rank characters are nothing compared to the Herrscher when they lack a Divine Key or Godbane Suit. For example, Rita can't even defeat Void Drifter Kiana when Kiana hasn't fully mastered the power of the Void yet. Additionally, Otto even wants to place Dudu well above S-rank.
@@bloody4558 The only thing the trailblazer is equivalent to is a 1 year old child who has racoon like tendencies and said child has been given a power too overpowering so yeah 😂I literally don't care about HSR characters enough to go out of my way to glaze them meanwhile because of all the development HI3rd story has shown I will gas up Base Kiana being able to destroy the Astral Express on her own 😎👌🏼 EZ
Edit : This is a troll response cuz I have come to hate Honkai Star Rail Power scallers and I want GGZ characters to come out of nowhere and wipeout the Aeons so that we can be free from all of these dick measuring contests and go back to Gooning and Getting Emotional Damage
Second edit : Actually you know what HI3rd has the most powerful damage available to them True Unfiltered Emotional Damage cuz canonical HSR hasn't exactly killed any playable character yet meanwhile even Genshin has given way more emotional Damage to us players. Don't you dare bring Firefly that shit felt like the biggest asspull ever 🤣 and I pulled for her immediately and got her too cuz of that 🤣 the propaganda was truly next level
I think kiana is more in between emanator and aeon or a representative of an aeon, the cocoon of finality feels more like the aeon in HI3 universe, in terms of comparison and parallelism in HSR universes, herrschers seem like parallels to the gods or stellarons that were trying to kill each universes or worlds
If humans acquiring stellaron powers and gets granted by aeon, turn emanators then kiana could definitely more of a full grown or complete emanator in HI3
Or kiana is just really more powerful in comparison to other emanators because the cocoon of finality could a more powerful aeon than the other aeons
Imaginary tree represent a one universe
Btw
Have you know that imaginary energy = honkai energy?
Cacoon are nowhere close to an aeon
鉴于波尔卡夫人和鲁珀特二世的表示....
琪亚娜目前就只是令使水平
kiana is an emanator with full authority where she can wield 100% power of COF power, in HSR the power that the aeon give to it emanator is depend on the aeon one can get 5%, 10% or whatever that aeon wanted
And there was Aha who give a Noblesse Worm his entire blessing and turning it into his Emanator just to prank Nous lol.
Kiana hasn't mastered her powers yet
according to a member of Garden of Recollection ( a memokeeper... Kiana is an Emanator Level ( can emit waves similar to an Emanators )... possibly an emanator of finality... even if kiana doesnt follow Finality.... Raiden B. Mei (Acheron) on HSR is a Emanator of Nihility and she doesnt follow Nihility
The memokeeper said with your will alone... She is asleep at this time. The context was asking what aeon was preventing the memokeeper from gaining access to her. But then she asked: Or is it that it is beyond the gaze of aeons and even the trailblaze. And what would that mean? It means she is in a higher dimension. The cocoon is a higher dimensional being than the img tree. And aeons are tied to the tree. Kiana is in a higher dimension. She is far above emantors and even aeons. The cocoon isn't an aeon, since she embraced the cocoon.
@@KoKoNuTz232
你的理解能力有很大问题
@@KoKoNuTz232 Memokeeper said that she created ripples like an emanator. The ripple analogy doesn't work based on whether you're asleep or awake, your very existence creates ripples in the cosmos. It's based on a certain analogy in HSR
@@KoKoNuTz232Kiana is not higher dimensional either.
@@adriantepes4355 no she didn't. She said with her will she CAN stir waves. Her will was that she refused to give her memories.
Emanator lvl?? lmao imagine she's can controls all authorities of Herrscher and yall keep assuming she on Emanator lvl 💀💀 acheron doesn't have full authority of
Nihility lmao
实际上，星神的权限更高一些...
@@catterdaioaoallpomaniannbsusy yea but no Cocoon of finality literally older than any Star god even Post Seradina From Mars literally older than aeon lmao
HI3rd still Higher Authority
AP ≠ DC 😴😴
@@xMirajaneSW
星神已经被证明不存在过去与未来了。
它们处于时间线之外。
末王正在逆时间行走。
所以，用年龄来衡量力量，非常非常非常错误....
@@catterdaioaoallpomaniannbsusyyou are liar
No one in hsr are beyond of time or outside in timeline they literally those guys once humans before except the cocoon in HI3rd 🤡🤡🤡
@@catterdaioaoallpomaniannbsusywhat a clown
I have a question is emanator stronger the normal herrscher or not because at the beginning I though that emanators are way stronger then a normal herrscher but then I remember that every herrscher we fight in hi3 is practically attack and kill after some minutes or day of her birth so they never get to their max level power at all and we now from a fact that the herrscher of the void - Kiana mentioned this can travel the entire world and she say that she doesn’t now if the authority of the void could take her from the moon to mars or venues but with the shot is clear that the normal herrscher authority’s can became stronger not at the level of finality of curse but close to origin but a little weaker so if you can answer this Question I would be really great full and aeons can’t destroy universes and this is a fact because they are bound to the universe they exist and here is a example put a glass of water in table and fill up with water add some small animals this animals life in the cup but they can get out or break it the same is for the aeons.
If aeons become the antagonist in HI3rd then they will be farmed every week as weekly bosses. No need to think hard about it. The antagonist will always get destroyed in the plot of the story.
@@freeze4728
我已经忍你们很久了，总是认为崩坏3高于其他作品。
你们都瞎了吗？
所有律者的表现都已经被星神超越了。
Hsr players- Almighty aeon lords
Kiana- idiots I am the honkai.
And she is the only one who can say that in honakaiverse😂😂
Half Honkai,Kiana.😒
Well technically that was HoV soooo there's that it was her other half who says it.
kiana? pass maybe, Kevin? YES YES AND MORE YESS
Cocoon Finality can reset the earth. And Terminus Finality want to reset the entire universe, that's the gulf between the two.
No wonder why the memokeeper said "emanator level" to Kiana.
That was a passive feat, probably 1% power.
Thats cause its doing experiments on the people of the mars, venus and earth not to reset the universe
Cocoon of finality has the capability to destroy half of the SoQ
@@yddyhrxhtfxgfhxtfh3986 Not really, it can theoretically destroy it completely because the cocoon has never been serious, everything it has ever done has always been just a test.
You need to learn the exact difference with 终末 (Shuumatsu) and 终焉 (shueen)
Aeon of Finality uses 终末
Herrscher of Finality uses 终焉
Considering Aeona are still under the imaginary tree it's a no brainer she's Aeon level or higher.
Exactly!
If there was a thing that easy to say that"KIANA IS (JUST LIKE)EMANATOR OF COCOON OF FINALITY" IT'S MEAN AT LEAST SHE'S EMANATOR LEVEL.
Because the memokeeper said that just like Emanator,right?
and don't underestimate Memokeeper's knowledge.
This aged poorly, one IT was wave lengths the wave gets weaker the further it gets that why literally entities like SA came to the edge of the universe to hide from the finality, and the emanator managed to get into kiana's dream DUE to following the ripple, does obviously even people like SU explained in the manga, that the further you are the less likely the honkai could reach, that's why literally the civilization that the mini Vita's were managing had no honkai (well there's some honkai now.)
Also literally even the memokeeper herself said that she doesn't know what Kiana really is, so no, memokeepers aren't always right, that's why they collect memories, to put the picture together, they aren't all knowing. LITERALLY black swan herself tried going into acherons mind to collect memories but instead was traumatized trying to pry into acherons mind.
From what I remember Honkai eventually reacts to practically all forms of sentient life, and it's billions of years old, predates Aeons, and has also been destroying millions of worlds/universes right up to modern day. Then there's Honkai 2 with Gods that can create entire Imaginary Trees/Multiverses, and yet despite honkai being pretty much everywhere people in Star Rail seem to have no idea what 'honkai' is.
I think there's a good chance the Aeons and Star Rail 'Universe' are being 'blocked' from perceiving Honkai and interacting with it. Finality, Honkai, or some other entity is allowing the Star Rail 'universe' to play with a different set of rules from all the worlds that are constantly being destroyed by Honkai. And jesus I realized I was going to babble for hours more so ending it here.
TLDR I hope Hi3 and Kiana remain OP af, and Elysia could easily 'cure' Nihility, but she never would because it'd kill them.
the Aeon of Finality hmmm....Elio better start making that script for the next patch raaaa
Kiana is still at the emanator level, because there is not a single Aeon that is the size of a human, even Nanook who was originally an ordinary human and when he rose to become the Aeon of Destruction
He became an incredibly big giant.🤔
But kiana is abstract existence
Wasn't the previous herrscher of the end was capable of holding the earth and "corpse" is the size of a mountain? The same herrscher who is weaker than a Kevin with authority of finality who's a bit taller than the average human
Size doesn't automatically make you stronger, especially in fiction
@@fhgfghfgh6651 Aeons are also abstract entities as well
@@markjustinbultron7371 yeah, here I am discussing Kiana because he thinks Kiana is only the size of a normal human while Kiana is an abstract existence so she is not bound by physical form
so where does Vita be placed? she's definitely not emanator level right?
强大的命途行者
@@catterdaioaoallpomaniannbsusykiana finger beam was emanator lvl as the memorykeeper said so
SA was in a emanator lvl, so after absorb her power i gues vita too
She isn't an Aeon nor will she ever be. HSR is on a different scale to HI3
Source: Trust me bro
@@herrscherelysia5008 Why are HI3 elitist like you so hell bent on making your characters the strongest ever? Do you undertstand the limitation for writing when you make a character Aeon level in power? Not to mention there is no evidence to suggest they are that strong when most can't even destroy Earth let alone galaxy much less a universe.
Saying Kiana is Emanator level is already pretty charitable
@@Rodiacreed The context here is simply this: the blast Kiana shooted at SA created an Emanator level wave, and that was not even 10% of Kiana's power. Only 1%, so no. Kiana is DEFINITELY not Emanator level.
@@marcioadrianocardoso8936 Emanators vary in power anyway so saying Emanator level is pretty vague regardless.
How do you even know it was 1%? Did they say "oh you beat SA with 1% of your power"?
@@Rodiacreed Kiana herself said she didn't want to cause damage to the planet, so she did her best to control her power and reduce it's destructive capacity.
For me personally, i think she's in the middle, weaker than Aeon but stronger than Emanator
Kiana > Aeons this is not a question
Its actually is people are theorizing it
@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 For me it is not a theory, for me it is a fact that Kiana has better scaling than all Aeons.
@@Caliz333
但她在中国论坛和黄泉一个等级....
@@catterdaioaoallpomaniannbsusy No, honestly, are you even trying to understand the universe of Hi3?
@@Caliz333
你们的翻译真该好好学习中文的语法了。
他甚至把瓦尔特的“拟似黑洞”直接翻译成了“黑洞”
没错，瓦尔特在原著中从来没有创造过真正的黑洞
I think the power level really differs with Herrschers
Some Herrschers like Wendy have Emanator levels of power while others like Kiana have Aeon levels
Though I think Kiana might be able to surpass Aeons at some point
No...? An aeon can easily destroy the universe, Kiana has no such feat
So if with 1% of her Power was able just to take down Sa (which maybe is on the same or above Phantilya's lvl) she still an emmanator? xD I wonder what 2% of her Power can do or even 100%, if an Aeon would be able to withstand her 100% after she learn to control, a single lightbeam that can cross the universe in minutes. A Power that keep Aeons' gaze away of the solar System and maybe more planets. A Power than has been reseting life for over milleniums (at least 100k so far). A Power that is almost at the same lvl as the three of life(The place where are all the worlds/universe) when even Aeons are not able to reach but shes still emmanator lvl...
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Emanators receives less than 0.0000000000001% of their aeon, and according to what others say, the sphere of influence of the cocoon is the solar system, while for aeons is the whole imaginary tree (there is only universe)
@@danieltran6062 No one is above the tree, no one has influence on it, the only one that can reach the same power it is Kiana and thats only if she learns and controls her powers. The Cocoon just keep the soalr system away from the gaze of Aeon while it was on the time loop maybe just to not being interrupt while doing it. The Honkai is an ancient entity since the origin of the universe, so we can say it the Chaos itself. If Kiana with only 1% of her power was able to take down a 2.5mil years old goddess that was 4500 AU (Astronomical Unit = 150m km) with a single from the Moon. So far we dont know if an Aeon can do such thing while just using 1% of their power. She has every single concept/power of all the Herrscher, she just need to learn how to use it
First its stated that emanators recive power of Eaon but unconsistently one maybe able to destroy a city and another a planet
2 :the cocoon of finality is solar systeme yes but only because he wants to we NEVER fully see what that thing is capable of at max potential while kiana could be see as an emanator that at 1% can blow out an deity like across solar systeme its stay kiana as herrscher of finality not the cocoon itself
3 its now confirmed that the memokeeper refer the influence of the cocoon as a blessing from an Eaon
So yes cof is a thing as powerfull if not more as an eaon and its confirmed and its not because a being or a characters is powerfull enaugh to destroy entire universe that its going to do it (ex : acheron , ipc ect...)
There is no 'only 1%' statement in Memokeeper and Kiana's dialogue. and Kiana = CoF.
@@xavierchiu9103But HooH the Equilibrium merged its will with the Imaginary Tree, influenced all events in the universe. The Propagation threatened the balance of the Universe, so HooH influenced other Aeons to kill it and end the Swarm Disaster.
i wanna point out that kianas WILLPOWER, not even HER FULL POWER, generated that wave.
also can aeons shoot through multiple dimensions??? and also, sa/vita is only equal to 10% of the cocoon's power, and sa has even broken THE FOURTH WALL. sa does some weird stuff, and for SA to get sniped like that is saying something.
i just wanna use some logic as well: if finality is the ultimate end, that means it must surpass all other ends. that means surpassing other aeons as well.
and that is wrong. The wave analogy does not depend on willpower or full power, your very existence and influence determines it. While an emanator creates waves that can erode the coast the aeons are like mighty tsunamis that can engulf the mountains, I am not making this up just so you know
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She is the strongest Emanator but still not Aeon level
I think the power kiana now she like Aeon can't destruction and creation galaxy
Honestly connecting these two continuities is confusing as fuck.
I think both have the same power but I think Kiana will get another power that even stronger then the cocoon of finality so I think she can get at least one more power which is the final power that no one can defeat Kiana but I hoping they a another power for her
Shes above both levels by a huge margine. Whats next " aeons are outer god lvl"
If anything, she's on pair with an Aeon, and she's asleep while using something like a copy of herself, as her will.
So...how op, is she when she's fully in control and awake?
Im guessing Emanator will full access to Aeon's powers. Aeons dont have will of their own and Kiana is clearly herself.
@@Doflaminguard the aeons will is literally their paths
path = will
Well in my opinion, With hsr power scaling, Cocoon= Aeons because Aeons are strongest beings. And Hofi become Emanator because She and cocoon work in similar way as how Aeons and their emanators works (Although Kiana and Cocoon are the same thing ofc😂)
What if kiana is an emanator with the power level of an aeon? And the origin of honkai's path is an even higher being than an aeon?
Let him cook🔥
If Kiana is Elio I’ll shit myself
GGZ has Honkai God on Level of Old/Elder Gods... Elder Gods are like toddlers compared to the Outer Gods... Ascended Kiana and Mei in GGZ are Low Level Toddler Elder God...
Herrscher of Finality Kiana can still easily be killed by Honkai God... And Honkai God still hasn't appeared in Honkai Impact 3rd...
Additional Thoughts...
The Human Followers of the Outer God Yog-Sothoth have an Imaginary Tree within them and you cannot kill said Follower as long as a Trace of that Inner Imaginary Tree exists... You need the Firepower to destroy Multiple Worlds in order to defeat them...Then the Magical Girls of Wonderland within The Dreamlands easily kill groups of said Followers of Yog-Sothoth... Magical Girl Sirin in HI3rd is implied to be one of those Magical Girls...
Nah,the different power between GGZ Kiana and GGZ outer gods is really big like An ant(Ggz Kiana) compare to a real god(Outer gods) so you can't really compare them.
what does honkai has to do with honkai star rail, haven't seen it so far
Their world is starting to connect to each other
you think honkai only appears in the form of honkai monsters like in Hi3? Honkai is also imaginary energy, and aeons use imaginary energy from the tree. From this perspective, Honkai can exist in various forms as confirmed in Hi3 by prometheus. It has endless varieties.
Thats why Honkai Star Rail has the Honkai word because aeons use imaginary energy
Honkai = Imaginary Energy
Out of topic but Now i am curious. If HI3 and HSR are connected and genshin is also connected ib some way or form i wonder what about GGZ and what would happen if the eldrich gods join the party?
Beyond the Concept of Overkill
For the Outer Gods, HSR and Hi3 are just stories in a book and that is an understatement.
Kiana will never become an Aeon for a reason. Aeons are beings that are purely one with their corresponding concept. Kiana doesn’t fit into a single concept that wouldn’t get absorbed by another Aeon.
I am assuming that cocoon of finality was a emanator of finality. Emanators have different power levels as per the strength bestowed upon them by Aeon.
Since Star rail universe is connected with Honkai universe, then the true master of Finality is Terminus.
Isnt the cocoon a direct creation from the imaginary tree? So how can it be an emanator of terminus whom draws its energy from the imaginary tree?
@@Shirai-san The cocoon is in a higher dimension than the img tree, how is it a creation of the tree?
@@KoKoNuTz232 it was a mistake i made, pay it no mind
@@Shirai-san ok no worries.
Off topic but what about GGZ kiana is she Aeon level?
Imma go about and say this completely baseless theory that Elio is Kiana
Elio has shown multiple times with a cat type motif
Kiana has a cat girl summer skin
COINCIDENCE??? I THINK NOT??
aight this is just a crackpot brainless theory lmao
What about Durandal?, her power is the level of an Emanator?
She literally has a bubble universe in her defo > eminators
I whone now why memokeeper can come to kiana in honkai impat3
Maybe the Cocoon of Finality is actually the Aeon of Finality Terminus. It was looking for a successor and the successor would be yhe one who embrace Finality. After so many tries, Kiana Kaslana was chosen. So she will be the new Aeon of Finality.
@@Stro2101 no both are different.
They can't be the same, as it’s implied that the Eons of Star Rail are new concepts and independent entities. If we consider that the Kiana and Mei from Honkai Gakuen 2 are beings who absorbed their interpretation of the Honkai God, and possess the power of Kiana from Honkai Impact 3, split in two for better control, it’s more likely to think that Terminus is simply another different interpretation of the Honkai God. This is because, whenever the Honkai God appears in different places, it changes its form and characteristics depending on the scale of each dimension.
Using this assumption, we can only infer that the "Will of Commander" from HG2, the "Cocoon of Finality" from HI3, and "Terminus" from HSR are dimensional beings connected to the Honkai God, to a greater or lesser extent. Unlike the first two timelines, in the Star Rail universe there are more than one dimensional being existing together, which implies that it’s easier to manage that dimension.
So, because of this, it is impossible that they are the same dimensional being, but perhaps one with similar abilities.