I think the similar price suggestion may depend on the discounts available. My Ze40 was £6200 off list after haggling. I suspect they will keep the list price the same but offer less money off (initially anyway). Hope you manage to get one, great little cars.
@Charles-A Rovira If you don't like haggling just use a site like CarWow or similar, they effectively do it for you. There was no way I'd pay nearly £25k for a Zoe.. I don't see how enjoying negotiating is a moral thing. I am sure a lot of car dealers rely on people finding haggling uncomfortable in order to charge them more. For some reason with a Renault the list price is often far more than they are willing to sell the car for (my previous car was a Renault and I found a new one at a car supermarket at a similar discount), this is one reason why Renault always look so bad on tables of depreciation, many people pay less than the list price in the first place so they appear to lose a lot in the first year.
Hi Nikki, I am really loving the new studio (or is it your new house). Your delivery is spot on as always, and it makes consuming news from your channel so enjoyable and informative. Thanks.
Yes but they need to bring the prices down. Mid to upper £20k price bracket means given a straight choice, people will still go for the cheaper ICE version.
@@1701_FyldeFlyer not sure where you are based, but in most of Europe the petrol prices are 3 times higher than the equivalent electricity. There are additional incentives like cash discounts, road tax exemption, free charging places, as well as the usual lower maintenance costs. Depending on your use case, electric cars can end up cheaper.
You were the first person I saw in a Zoe all those years ago, great video Nikki thanks for the info, just amazing they can fit 50kw in to that little car. I see Renault Zoes everywhere, this is going to fly off dealer lots, its too small for my family but ideal as a second car or a young couple with 1 kiddie.
It's a bit like the Tardis : greater inside than outside. The trunk is far bigger than a SUV like Niro's, and the volume inside is very close to it. You'll be surprised.
I'm a city commuter and currently a diesel driver who makes the occasional jolly jaunt across the UK once in a while. The old R110 1st gen 40kWh Zoe with only 22kW charging was a deal breaker, but I could happily cope with 50kW DC fast charge for the long trips and 22kW AC for the inner city top-ups, assuming it actually stays close to those rates for a significant proportion of time. The increase to 52kWh battery is an added bonus. Bang for buck, I don't think there's likely to be a better car our there until Dacia (the Renault budget brand) comes along in a few years time. I'm saving up as we speak!
just get the Opel/Peugeot instead, up to 100 kW rather than 50 kW. sure, we don't know the prices yet but Zoe with a non lease option for the batteries was only 2000€ cheaper than a Leaf 40kWh, i guess the Peugeot will be prices slightly lower than a Leaf.
Go for a used car instead, aim at a car that goes 40mpg at least, probably a diesel, let those with a bigger budget buy brand new cars, waiting for those new cars to lose in value, those that still run after 100000 km bone stock are the one to aim for. Trust me, let the market sort out the winners and losers of the electric "arms race" and then make your choice.
I've driven a Zoe "52" for 439 km with a passenger on a single full charge. We've ended down to 2% left before recharging. Lights off, AC off, radio on and open windows. Quite an adventure! Took it with 11km on the dashboard, I had it for 3.5 days and gave it back with 1514 km. Unsignificant stress once but lot of fun for the rest!
Don't forget to factor in the battery hire cost. Over 5 years it adds up to about £6,600 ($8,300) and it does serious damage to the resale value, which you should factor in as well.
@@Chilukar I did ask a dealer whether you could buy the battery and they said yes, for about £5000. So, by your calculations that's probably a good thing to do. Thanks.
@@NigelPond it is great that they have that as an option. When I looked at the website it said that battery hire was mandatory. And at £5,000 it is a much better deal than the rental.
@@Chilukar Since the Ze40, you could option different engines and whether you wanted to lease the battery pack or buy outright. Earlier Zoes did have the battery rental to consider (and still do).
I don't blame Renault at all for making the new zoe quick charge at "only" 50 kW. You see, batteries are not electricity storage devices. They are chemical energy storage devices, so charging a battery takes an energy conversion, and discharging a battery takes another reversed energy conversion, with both these conversions having power limits. Taking that into account, it is more cost effective to design a battery that charges at the same or lower power than the maximum continuous power of the motor(s) being used in the car. Teslas and Audis charge faster because their batteries are also prepared to give a lot of power to the motors.
It may also be that there is more thermal loss at higher charging speeds. Also, many users are likely to use a.c. domestic charging, typically limited to 7.5 kW (32A at typical European single phase supplies). Often done overnight, especially if one has a deal with lower pricing at certain times of day, e.g. “night rate”.
Great piece, Nikki I’ve owned four Renaults in the past, and only didn’t buy the Zoe because my family is too big - we were cramped in a Leaf! Love the look of this, though. Excellent little car.
I was hesitant to own the battery outright on mine, so wen with the rental, but I find it more of a limitation than range anxiety, I''m always worried about going over the quota. Since my fears about reliability have pretty much gone, I'm going to be going for this new model and owning the battery, it looks really nice.
Have a couple of ZOE's at work. They are a bit zippy, have nice interior/tech and great for traffic. But keep in mind they aren't a good option for tall people unless only your torso is tall. While the head room is good, the leg room is not. My knees are more or less stuck between the wheel and the door and wheel and infotainment cluster for my other leg. So steering can be a bit annoying at times. But for short people, I'm sure the ZOE will get the job done nicely. It's quite popular with my co-workers, at least the younger generations. I'm so glad I don't have to go to the other side of town to refill gas while working. Just plug it in at the end of my shift. 268 km range is more than enough for a car used mainly in town.
Another super-informative video! I tend to agree with all the points you made, especially the ‘low’ 50kW charge speed. In this new world of 200-mile, 50-60kWh battery packs, doing longer journeys is going to be feasible. But at that rate of charge, it’s still going to be relatively inconvenient, and I wonder how many lay-consumers won’t appreciate this subtlety until they’re plugged in at a rapid charger wondering why it’s going to take an hour to refill... but you’re right (and Renault themselves have said this): the Zoe is a city car, maybe even a second car. That extra capacity is there so if you don’t have charging facilities at home, your refilling stops will be fewer and further in between. I like this focus on a specific demographic and, although sadly not for me, I t definitely makes sense. Thanks again! Great round-up, superb knowledge and informed commentary. Top video!
I dunno. This Zoe would get you from London to Manchester on a single charge. That feels like a pretty reasonable long-ish distance to drive. I wonder what % of car journeys in the UK are longer than that? Recharge overnight and you could drive back on another single charge the next day.
The zoe seems like a nice little car, but my biggest problem with it is the battery hire. Over 5 years average motoring in the UK that adds £5,400 ($6,800) to the apples to apples price, as well as drastically reducing its resale value. To put it another way it is £14/month more expensive than filling an average car with enough petrol to do the average mileage and that doesn't include electric costs. It takes the biggest advantage of evs and turns it into a negative. To me it smells of gouging those of us who can't afford an expensive ev.
I’m not having that stuff about it not being a long range vehicle. It’s a car. People who buy a smaller car might rarely do long trips, but you’re likely going to do one at some point. If I lived in a city, I would ride my Brompton everywhere. They needed to go to 100kw CCS to keep up with Hyundai, Kia, VW, Peugeot, Opel etc. Yes, it’s an improvement but the fact here is that they haven’t taken advantage of their early lead in EVs. They haven’t done anything exciting. Just the bare minimum. That’s the reality of it.
It keeps up with the Hyundai IONIQ face lift, which now has slower charging and less range for more money. It has almost the same range as a 64kWh Kona, with equally unpleasant rear seats, but the ZOE comes for half the price and twice the boot space. The smaller Kona still costs more, has less space, less range and charges slower. I can‘t quite see where it is not up to its game. Where‘s your problem with this car on a long trip? It‘s 700km from my home in the Swiss Alps to the mediterranean in south France. I could easily do that with one charging stop. Renault say it takes 70min on a 50kW charger to top it off. Mate, 350km is the better part of four hours of driving. By that time I am ready for a walk, some food, a couple of fags and my family even more so. It’s not a Range Rover, mate, you‘ll be glad to charge it every few hours.
Adrian Guggisberg I agree. I would be perfectly happy to drive it on a long trip. And I also agree with the other commenter regarding price. If not going with the faster charging is saving a significant amount of money, then that’s fair enough. There’s just something about it that frustrates me. Just feels like they’re not trying that hard. But I guess they’re going to be selling it in higher volumes than everyone else right off the bat. So that would be significant.
@@christill I still think that it can do far greaters and charges faster than the old ZOE, if nkt tje fastest charging EV today. It also helps to keep the price long amd the car small to get more people driving it as a commuting car with the occasional long trip, which is what most people do, to get us off fossil fuels faster. This has, after all, been Renault's goal from the get go. Look at the car they're realsing in China for further proof on this matter.
@@karlp8484 in fact it's important cause Renault is the only manufacturer more "modest" than the specs. When it says 40 it's at least 41 usable for 44 real. When it stick 50 it's 52 usable for 55 real. All others are doing the exact opposite. They say 60 when it's 59 real and 55 usable. If you need to compare, with the peugeot 50, it's important. And in the WLTP you have the difference.
I get about 400km/34 litre tank of midgrade petrol in my Nissan Juke. So a similar size EV with 390+ range is no longer a compromise. Especially considering the volatile price of petrol.
@@JDDevice yes, and every Tesla negative incident is magnified a thousand times or so while petrol explosions are largely unreported.... Nothing to see here, folks! ☺️
ZOE is the probable choice for me now. Maybe I-Miev or the Citroen version. But, when Tesla Gigafactory 4(?) pulls out cars in Europe, I have to be ready for a Model Y.
They need to work on their dealer network. They are few and spread out, this puts me off of heir whole range. Perhaps the old dealer approach is ending but they need to sort out show rooms and servicing hubs, with the latter a do it while you wait approach would be good.
My girlfriend's Zoe ZE40 is a great little car - she loves it. If the new ZE50 is an improvement for roughly the same outlay it could be a winner. But (you knew there'd be a "but" didn't you?): Renault will really need to get their dealers to up their game, with a better understanding of EVs, less FUD and good after sales support. A great car design can be let down by any of those, and I have to say that two years ago we bought her Zoe despite the dealer's salesman, not because of him.
How does Renault intend to compete with the ID3? The VW has more space without being that much bigger, a better quality interior, a more powerful engine (faster acceleration) and bigger batteries (better range). Here in Portugal they're going to be about 5k euros apart, which will equate to nothing once you finance them. What's the point?
The Zoe will not compete with the ID3 in the same way as the Clio does not compete with the Golf! It's in a different class - I can't understand why people don't get this! It will compete with the ID2 (Electric Polo) when it arrives.
@@garyallsopp6369 When you finance, which 95% of customers do, you get the same monthly deal with this one and the ID3 (at least here in Portugal - I checked with Renault and VW). Would you go for this one?
Agree. The VW ID3 and the Fiat Centoventi will have the market pretty much to themselves - the ID3 in the midsize family car segment (with its great range, interior qualiry and space) and the Centoventi in the city car segment (with its great range, modularity and funky looks). Renault better sell a lot of these fast because in a couple of months time the demand will be pretty low.
Look at how well small cars sell in Canada. Renault could certainly sell a lot of these here assuming the BMS thermal system can handle sub-freezing weather, and if the cabin heat can do it. I think we'll put up with a coolish cabin (we're wearing coats anyway, right?) but you really have to clear ice off the windscreen. Let's do it!
Ted Archer I live in the Alps, I have an EV (albeit not a ZOE) and I have experienced no problem what so ever, mate. I plug it in over night and by the time I need it in the morning, it is preheated to a temperature of my choice, the windows are deiced and defogged AND the battery is at 100% SOC. Winterdriving is no different than with any other car, snow chains, however, cut your reach in half. And no, I don’t have a garage.
@@vladsaghin7644 well, they have Golfstrim. They rarely have -5 C in the winter, usually 0-+5 degrees. In -15 weather you can't even charge your electric car at home, because it has not enough energy to heat up the battery
Winter itself is not problem when e cars reliably starts even in cold conditions. They also heat the windshield and cabin faster. The only but is the reduced range ie. instead of 400km WLPT it is 200-250km. You can help the problem with additional fuel warmer. You can use it with ethanol or eco-diesel fuel. Renault installs fuel warmers in scandinavia to all new e- kangoo's utility vehicles before delivery. Björn Nyland tested Model X on -37 celsius degrees in Nothern Norway. He slept one night in the car and measured consumption. Also driving. There were no issues. Please watch yourself..
I would like to get one but once again the problem is that they won't sell or service to us in the U.S., by the way are there ac chargers here in the U.S.?
It's active battery cooling by fan forced air. Can be very powerfull and noisy if the batteries are hot. Not as efficient as the liquid Tesla's one but much more than Leaf's one. With this cooling we could charge a 22kWh battery at 43kW ! So with 55kWh battery pack at 50kW, twice less by Ah of battery. So no ,you will have no rapid-gate as the Leaf had
In France the price is from 23,200 to 26,600 euros plus 69 euros per month for battery rental. Or from 32,200 to 35,500 euros with bought battery, which is almost 11 years of battery rental worth more expensive. Prices are base prices for each trim level. Above those there's some customizations like color (any other color than white costs 540 euros).
With the battery in ownership, that car goes for renault talisman money, what's the point of an electric hatchback at the same price of an executive sedan...
I’m excited for the VW e-up that’s predicted to come out in autumn with 132 miles of real range and cost £16,000 Edit: And that price includes the battery
Let's hope they have sorted out the sea of plastic that is the current interior. I went to FC live to see what my first electric car will be. I discounted the current Zoe after sitting in the driver's seat for less than 30 seconds.
Nikki, Craig Tonge at RZOC in the UK has recently been to Paris and made a video about the new Zoe. Here's the link : ruclips.net/video/g73V9dwYww4/видео.html
If the Z0E could pass US crash standards. It could be the first true 20k electric car with a real-world range over 150 miles. A real car with relatively quick charging. California residents would be able to get them for 15k after all the tax credits.
fatboy19831, but that’s without the battery, right? The price with battery is closer to $30k. The Zoe is pretty amazing with AC-43 charging. I wonder where you can find an outlet to use that in the US. Maybe a shipyard I always felt this system would make it much cheaper and easier to roll out charging infrastructure. You could have many more charging stall for the same price as a few DCFC. But DCFC is getting a pretty good foothold.
@@imho7250 28k with the battery, There would be a $7500 federal tax credit. For the people making over 70k a year, it would be a 20k car. My bet is a good percentage of the people buying a Zoe may not qualify for the full federal tax credit. The Canadian and most states would give the full credit.
fatboy19831, yes, that’s the problem with the US tax credit, it originated from funds not intended for climate change. So it’s specifically for the more affluent.
This looks really good! If i could afford the 40kwh model i would buy it. But i had yo buy an 24kwh Leaf instead just because of the problems with not able to charge the zoe at home and not able to quickcharge. And i think its a bit on the small side, but a really nice car tho!
The infotainment could be a great improvement. The R-Link system was too slow, the tomTom navigation crude, unintuitive, the distances at crossings disturbingly wrong and charging station were badly implemented. Looks much better now. Besides: the whole energy flow thingy (guess copied from the Prius) was highly irrelevant after the first demo.
Renault left the U.S. auto market about 30 years ago. It's highly doubtful they'll be back any time soon. You can google research it more if you're interested
Sounds like a great car but unfortunately not many are being produced or sold each year. Just 37k last year. Lets hope the new version will get the company to produce more but if we use the past as any marker traditional auto companies are unable or unwilling to produce more. Also if they could get this in the US under $30k it would sell great here even though our CCS infrastructure is very poor at the moment.
As Renault has never sold cars in the US, I don't think they will. Most of the cars they sell are small compact hatchbacks or larger family MPVs, which isn't really in the US market. It's unlikely for Renault to start selling in the US anytime soon
It ranks as the 16th highest selling subcompact in Europe. Once the new model is out, I reckon it will climb quite a few notches. Would be nice if it broke into the top 10
Recently bought a £100 cordless lawnmower with an 18v battery. What a revelation for convenience and ease of use a new battery however if required is nearly half the price of the mower. The Renault Zoe for my motoring needs is absolutely what I require as a retired person, but it is still too expensive compared to my nice little automatic petrol car. Couple that with renting a battery and this old git will not be trendsetting in my street yet. I'd go so far as to say when there is parity between petrol and electric cars I shall probably either be dead or surrendering my licence. Nice moves though and it is going in the right direction. I'm surprised that the motoring industry haven't collaborated to achieve a standard battery for smaller cars. Referring to the lawnmower you slide the battery in and out the front. I've often wondered if gas stations were converted they could have stocks of batteries on charge where a battery could be slid out the car on a fork and a fresh one pushed in.
Hello Barry, Getting a second hand electric car is getting easier. I was at the recent fully charged show at Silverstone and there is a growing network of independent garages catering for any and all EVs. Additionally, there are cottage industries offering replacement battery packs. Note that an EV probably has a life of 500,000 miles and the battery will last as long - only with far less charge/range. The main consideration at present is if you have a private driveway to park on. This makes overnight charging possible and means you wake up every morning to the full range and pre-heated in winter - plus charged on economy 7 for pennies. Note also that maintenance on EVs is much much less than Petrol or diesel (and don't believe dealerships if they indicate otherwise). I hope you can get behind the wheel of an EV before surrendering your licence, they are glorified lawn mowers only minus the blades!!
So they are undercutting similarly ranged competition models by a little bit, by excluding the battery pack? That does not sound like it is actually going to be cheaper. But the pricing seems stuck in the realm of speculation at the moment.
I am VERY dissapointed with the 50kW charging; It's a city car most of the time, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be long distance capable; Not offering 100kW CCS is very short sighted. It doesn't make this model future proof. Remember, it's not that much smaller then a Leaf and no one argues that is 'only' a city car
If the Renault FCA merger were somehow to be revived we may end up seeing the Zoe here. It is a bit undersized for the US market but the price is right.
You should do a story on all the SMART Electric cars that are " Bricked" If the 12 volt battery dies the HV battery soon follows and you are left with a large bill for a new battery , if you can get one ! Mercedes is no help at all and even though the battery could still be under warranty they say it is not. Also the hv battery dies if it is left for more than 14 day without being plugged in leaving the owner with no choice but to buy a new battery .... In short don't leave it parked for the winter with out a 12v battery tender and plugged in for the HV battery !
It's nice reading about all your LITTLE cars and all the problems with your LITTLE batteries. I agree that they would be a cheap 2nd car but if or when you get the chance to sit in a Tesla and go for a spin you should jump at it cause the technology and performance is years and years ahead of anything in the EV market. Most of all batteries and they are releasing a new battery latter this year that is supposedly twice as good as the one the Model 3 is currently running. I know they are dearer than the market your talking about but they are just sooo good. Cannot wait for the European Gigafactory. I'm saving up cause i don't like sitting on top of my passenger.
Not a bad car but I'd still rather get the Opel Corsair E or Peugot e208. Purely because of looks cargo and charging capacity. The Zoe is purely and only a city car still. apart from the fact that it has very little cargo capacity and it is barely possible to carry enough luggage in it for 2 people, it's slow charging time with such a big battery is a dealbreaker. For a 50kwh Battery, 70kw should be the minimum charging speed. ideally 100 or more. A swing and a miss if you ask me.
Super Mini sized? You've got a strange scale for cars, just because it's not a SUV it is still a standard mid size car, at least for Europe. How do you call a Fiat 500, a matchbox?
Brecht Schatteman I don’t see why you couldn’t fit a tow bar and tow 750kg - you probably loose quite a bit of range but with a battery that size it would be very useful.
badchefi that world give a 200km towing range or something like that, that is very useful. But I live in Belgium, if the car isn’t homologated to tow, you risk heavy fines by towing.
Brecht Schatteman you might be able to get a certificate from the engineer that installs the Tow bar on the Car. But I don’t know your countries laws. I would assume that Renault would waive their warranty on the Car - so you might want to wait and convert a second hand Zoe.
badchefi In Europe, or at least in Benelux, the car needs to be type approved for towing. If Renault doesn’t provide that, you are screwed. Than you have to get it homologated as a unique case, which would allow your specific car to tow, but not the other Renault Zoe’s. And cost is easily over 2k€ if you manage to pass it the first trial, which is almost impossible in Belgium, first trial they always find something to fail your attempt, for example if you used a galvanized screw instead of a black one or something like that. That is also why I ordered factory installed tow bar on my golf, it is far less trouble to pass the yearly car inspection with that
The Renault and Nissan battery size is not the issue it's the battery quality which is very much the issue. Nissan battery technology has a proven track record off being extremely bad. Their cooling and general battery management has seriously compromised the reputation off their electric cars. Teslas approach to batteries has proved to be the best way .
Zoe's battery management is excellent. It uses active air cooling / heating. It's extremely reliable. Only problem is it's quite noisy as it uses the heat-pump. But it's a practical solution and cheaper than a liquid-cooled system. It's a different league to the Leaf.
But with instant torque, it will have much more usable performance; numbers can be misleading - In the real world my 2015 Zoe would outsprint a Golf GTi up to 35mph (55kph); this one should be quicker again.
Unless Europeans like to be hoodwinked with fancy talk and glib words, I laugh when I hear people say that "it will be quite popular" or "it's an excellent little car". This is 30,000 Euros for a sardine can with very limited range, slow recharge times and a high price for what you get (22,000 car + 8,000 battery). Renault is trying to con people big time by ALLOWING them to "rent" the battery pack, which will basically add another 100 Euros to your monthly car payment. And from what I'm reading across the internet, the rental program is controversial and not well-received by most car buyers. Seriously...think about it, how would you take it if a regular ICE car maker started charging you to "rent" the gas tank. RIDICULOUS!
I don't see the point of those car as of yet, the zoe goes on sale for the same price of a 4 door saloon of the same brand, who in their right mind would by an hatchback instead of a saloon just because it's an electric...
What's so great about saloon cars over hatchback's? And who in their right mind would drive a car with lots of moving parts in the engine, compared to just one moving part in the electric motor?
@@demmersify simple, better value for money and less depreciation overall, even with conventional engine. A hatchback with a normal engine of the same brand starts at 10k euros, not 30k, which shows what kind of rip off renault trying to do with the zoe. As for the reliability of the conventional car vs electric car, theoretically, electric cars should be more resilient, however, we have yet to see large scale sale of used electric car outside of their warranty, then, we should be able to judge if it is the case or not.
We need modular units to retrofit in our existing cars. Don't care about new OVERPRICED electric cars from car manufacturers. Current day clio 4 is very good, simply remove the ice tech and use this new zoe50 tech. We don't care to receive less quality for the car, weird design and all sort of weird stuff from manufacturers when we can enjoy our present day vehicles
Too little market of those who would care to convert to justify making all the research and lines to produce it and set up shops and teach crews how to remove ice stuff and replace with kit and then additional safety tests by regulations to make it road legal again etc - all that labor and research makes it so expensive that you can get a ready made EV by that time. Sad but true.
Also your ice car has no body cavities for battery module, so it needs custom battery that cant be in one piece but speard around in car .. complexity complexity, more stuff to fail and so on, new car it is.
Well the current version got 0 in safety, and it's more expensive than ioniq, so no for me. I care about safety and price(a little bit on technology) than range
renault-zoe-earns-5-star-euro-ncap-safety-rating-video is my first thing that i find when i google, from 2013. "The Renault Zoe is now listed among the world's safest automobiles with a 5-Star Euro NCAP rating in recently completed safety testing." You need to check your sources @sal.
@@gelisob www.renault.co.il/cars/Zoe/specifications.html Scroll down to the safety rating. And there is the prof from the official website you can clearly see It has 0 safety meaning it has no safety and only has 4 airbags (ioniq has 7 airbags and it got 8 in the safety rating which is the highest)
Well, the Zoe is smaller than the Ioniq so it doesn’t need more than 4 airbags. When EuroNCAP tested the Zoe it had the best safety results of any car of its size. Surely they will test this new version
Can't wait to see 20 million cars all at the same time try to get 50kw each out of the infrastructure, not only will it melt but power stations will need to run on diesel and petrol to get even close, I foresee total failure.
This might be my first EV... I've been saving for the old Zoe for awhile but if the pricing is accurate... I'll probably get one of these
I think the similar price suggestion may depend on the discounts available. My Ze40 was £6200 off list after haggling. I suspect they will keep the list price the same but offer less money off (initially anyway). Hope you manage to get one, great little cars.
@Charles-A Rovira If you don't like haggling just use a site like CarWow or similar, they effectively do it for you. There was no way I'd pay nearly £25k for a Zoe.. I don't see how enjoying negotiating is a moral thing. I am sure a lot of car dealers rely on people finding haggling uncomfortable in order to charge them more. For some reason with a Renault the list price is often far more than they are willing to sell the car for (my previous car was a Renault and I found a new one at a car supermarket at a similar discount), this is one reason why Renault always look so bad on tables of depreciation, many people pay less than the list price in the first place so they appear to lose a lot in the first year.
@@themightydash1714 It's the buyer that pays the finance off though. Zoe 40 is a good car. 50 Kwh battery is just unnecessary to me.
Happy owner of the original model Zoe. Lovely car, perfect for city driving.
Same here. I love my Zoé. It's a great car improving on a regular basis.
How many kilometres/miles have you driven at what range? :) And has the range decreased over the years?
@@matthias4 Range seems the same (about 90 miles, less in winter). Maybe 5000 miles driven in 3 years or so?
Hi Nikki, I am really loving the new studio (or is it your new house). Your delivery is spot on as always, and it makes consuming news from your channel so enjoyable and informative. Thanks.
Hi Trevor - It's actually the old studio - but thanks! We're hoping to replicate that in our NEW studio!
It's great to see so many manufacturers ready to go head to head with 200km+ cars in this budget sector; Renault, Peugeot, Skoda, Honda, Opel etc etc.
Yes but they need to bring the prices down. Mid to upper £20k price bracket means given a straight choice, people will still go for the cheaper ICE version.
@@1701_FyldeFlyer not sure where you are based, but in most of Europe the petrol prices are 3 times higher than the equivalent electricity. There are additional incentives like cash discounts, road tax exemption, free charging places, as well as the usual lower maintenance costs. Depending on your use case, electric cars can end up cheaper.
We love our euro boxes ,love the car ,great video 😊👍
You were the first person I saw in a Zoe all those years ago, great video Nikki thanks for the info, just amazing they can fit 50kw in to that little car. I see Renault Zoes everywhere, this is going to fly off dealer lots, its too small for my family but ideal as a second car or a young couple with 1 kiddie.
It's a bit like the Tardis : greater inside than outside. The trunk is far bigger than a SUV like Niro's, and the volume inside is very close to it.
You'll be surprised.
I'm a city commuter and currently a diesel driver who makes the occasional jolly jaunt across the UK once in a while. The old R110 1st gen 40kWh Zoe with only 22kW charging was a deal breaker, but I could happily cope with 50kW DC fast charge for the long trips and 22kW AC for the inner city top-ups, assuming it actually stays close to those rates for a significant proportion of time. The increase to 52kWh battery is an added bonus. Bang for buck, I don't think there's likely to be a better car our there until Dacia (the Renault budget brand) comes along in a few years time. I'm saving up as we speak!
just get the Opel/Peugeot instead, up to 100 kW rather than 50 kW. sure, we don't know the prices yet but Zoe with a non lease option for the batteries was only 2000€ cheaper than a Leaf 40kWh, i guess the Peugeot will be prices slightly lower than a Leaf.
Go for a used car instead, aim at a car that goes 40mpg at least, probably a diesel, let those with a bigger budget buy brand new cars, waiting for those new cars to lose in value, those that still run after 100000 km bone stock are the one to aim for.
Trust me, let the market sort out the winners and losers of the electric "arms race" and then make your choice.
I've driven a Zoe "52" for 439 km with a passenger on a single full charge. We've ended down to 2% left before recharging. Lights off, AC off, radio on and open windows. Quite an adventure! Took it with 11km on the dashboard, I had it for 3.5 days and gave it back with 1514 km. Unsignificant stress once but lot of fun for the rest!
This has jumped to the top of my list. I test drove a Leaf last week and was very impressed but it's expensive compared to the Zoe.
Don't forget to factor in the battery hire cost. Over 5 years it adds up to about £6,600 ($8,300) and it does serious damage to the resale value, which you should factor in as well.
@@Chilukar I did ask a dealer whether you could buy the battery and they said yes, for about £5000. So, by your calculations that's probably a good thing to do. Thanks.
@@NigelPond it is great that they have that as an option. When I looked at the website it said that battery hire was mandatory. And at £5,000 it is a much better deal than the rental.
@@Chilukar Since the Ze40, you could option different engines and whether you wanted to lease the battery pack or buy outright. Earlier Zoes did have the battery rental to consider (and still do).
@@Chilukar yes it's 5000 (9600 euros)
And most importantly LED headlights and taillights lights. Great change. Good review. Thank you.
I don't blame Renault at all for making the new zoe quick charge at "only" 50 kW.
You see, batteries are not electricity storage devices. They are chemical energy storage devices, so charging a battery takes an energy conversion, and discharging a battery takes another reversed energy conversion, with both these conversions having power limits.
Taking that into account, it is more cost effective to design a battery that charges at the same or lower power than the maximum continuous power of the motor(s) being used in the car. Teslas and Audis charge faster because their batteries are also prepared to give a lot of power to the motors.
It may also be that there is more thermal loss at higher charging speeds. Also, many users are likely to use a.c. domestic charging, typically limited to 7.5 kW (32A at typical European single phase supplies). Often done overnight, especially if one has a deal with lower pricing at certain times of day, e.g. “night rate”.
Great piece, Nikki
I’ve owned four Renaults in the past, and only didn’t buy the Zoe because my family is too big - we were cramped in a Leaf!
Love the look of this, though. Excellent little car.
Adore my current ZE40 Q90 but when PCP is up in two years I will certainly get one.
I was hesitant to own the battery outright on mine, so wen with the rental, but I find it more of a limitation than range anxiety, I''m always worried about going over the quota. Since my fears about reliability have pretty much gone, I'm going to be going for this new model and owning the battery, it looks really nice.
Thats a great car!!!!! We need millions of cars just like this!!! Go Earth!
Cool to see that this Zoe has been Denmark - "Niels Brocks Gade" exist in two Danish cities (Randers or Copenhagen)
there's a small group in quebec who've purchased a fleet of zoes in the past. perhaps they will do so again. worth looking into.
Have a couple of ZOE's at work. They are a bit zippy, have nice interior/tech and great for traffic. But keep in mind they aren't a good option for tall people unless only your torso is tall.
While the head room is good, the leg room is not. My knees are more or less stuck between the wheel and the door and wheel and infotainment cluster for my other leg.
So steering can be a bit annoying at times. But for short people, I'm sure the ZOE will get the job done nicely. It's quite popular with my co-workers, at least the younger generations.
I'm so glad I don't have to go to the other side of town to refill gas while working. Just plug it in at the end of my shift. 268 km range is more than enough for a car used mainly in town.
Super informative, keep up the great work.
Another super-informative video! I tend to agree with all the points you made, especially the ‘low’ 50kW charge speed. In this new world of 200-mile, 50-60kWh battery packs, doing longer journeys is going to be feasible. But at that rate of charge, it’s still going to be relatively inconvenient, and I wonder how many lay-consumers won’t appreciate this subtlety until they’re plugged in at a rapid charger wondering why it’s going to take an hour to refill... but you’re right (and Renault themselves have said this): the Zoe is a city car, maybe even a second car. That extra capacity is there so if you don’t have charging facilities at home, your refilling stops will be fewer and further in between. I like this focus on a specific demographic and, although sadly not for me, I t definitely makes sense. Thanks again! Great round-up, superb knowledge and informed commentary. Top video!
I dunno. This Zoe would get you from London to Manchester on a single charge. That feels like a pretty reasonable long-ish distance to drive. I wonder what % of car journeys in the UK are longer than that? Recharge overnight and you could drive back on another single charge the next day.
Nice pieces of iconic tech you got in the shelf.
The zoe seems like a nice little car, but my biggest problem with it is the battery hire. Over 5 years average motoring in the UK that adds £5,400 ($6,800) to the apples to apples price, as well as drastically reducing its resale value.
To put it another way it is £14/month more expensive than filling an average car with enough petrol to do the average mileage and that doesn't include electric costs. It takes the biggest advantage of evs and turns it into a negative.
To me it smells of gouging those of us who can't afford an expensive ev.
Chilukar: ....Also consider battery pricing to be half or less in 5 years...
@@justinmallaiz4549 I agree although more and more it is looking irrelevant as most battery packs seem to be lasting the life of the car.
I’m not having that stuff about it not being a long range vehicle. It’s a car. People who buy a smaller car might rarely do long trips, but you’re likely going to do one at some point. If I lived in a city, I would ride my Brompton everywhere. They needed to go to 100kw CCS to keep up with Hyundai, Kia, VW, Peugeot, Opel etc.
Yes, it’s an improvement but the fact here is that they haven’t taken advantage of their early lead in EVs. They haven’t done anything exciting. Just the bare minimum. That’s the reality of it.
It keeps up with the Hyundai IONIQ face lift, which now has slower charging and less range for more money. It has almost the same range as a 64kWh Kona, with equally unpleasant rear seats, but the ZOE comes for half the price and twice the boot space. The smaller Kona still costs more, has less space, less range and charges slower. I can‘t quite see where it is not up to its game. Where‘s your problem with this car on a long trip? It‘s 700km from my home in the Swiss Alps to the mediterranean in south France. I could easily do that with one charging stop. Renault say it takes 70min on a 50kW charger to top it off. Mate, 350km is the better part of four hours of driving. By that time I am ready for a walk, some food, a couple of fags and my family even more so. It’s not a Range Rover, mate, you‘ll be glad to charge it every few hours.
Don't forget the price
Adrian Guggisberg I agree. I would be perfectly happy to drive it on a long trip. And I also agree with the other commenter regarding price. If not going with the faster charging is saving a significant amount of money, then that’s fair enough.
There’s just something about it that frustrates me. Just feels like they’re not trying that hard. But I guess they’re going to be selling it in higher volumes than everyone else right off the bat. So that would be significant.
Twoplank Alex You’re right. If it compares favourably to faster charging cars then I’ll be fine with it.
@@christill I still think that it can do far greaters and charges faster than the old ZOE, if nkt tje fastest charging EV today. It also helps to keep the price long amd the car small to get more people driving it as a commuting car with the occasional long trip, which is what most people do, to get us off fossil fuels faster. This has, after all, been Renault's goal from the get go. Look at the car they're realsing in China for further proof on this matter.
Incorrect the usable battery to owner is 52kWh the pack is bigger
Oh WOW, a whole 2kWh out. Get a life.
@@karlp8484 that's 10 extra miles not to be sniffed at.. I will go and get a life now any advice where the best place is..?
@@RenaultZoeZEOwnersClub Yeah, Australia but you are not allowed here. Sorry.
@@karlp8484 in fact it's important cause Renault is the only manufacturer more "modest" than the specs.
When it says 40 it's at least 41 usable for 44 real.
When it stick 50 it's 52 usable for 55 real.
All others are doing the exact opposite. They say 60 when it's 59 real and 55 usable.
If you need to compare, with the peugeot 50, it's important. And in the WLTP you have the difference.
@@karlp8484 replying to someone on RUclips just to tell them to get a life...you just broke my irony meter 🤣
My daughter lives in Germany and was almost ready to buy a used Zoe last year but the 70E/mo battery rental was a deal breaker.
Not to forget the much bigger trunk as Corsa, 208 etc... the new Zoe is actually my favorite EV and it could be my first.
Looking forward to test driving one, I noticed a lot of current model Zoe's in Madrid last week
je suis tres tres excite! i need one!!!
0-62mph in under 10 seconds means it should feel as quick or quicker than the original Leaf, and that feels quick to me
Iconic ! A car that the majority of the population don’t know exists or in fact that it is electric
I get about 400km/34 litre tank of midgrade petrol in my Nissan Juke. So a similar size EV with 390+ range is no longer a compromise. Especially considering the volatile price of petrol.
And the "volatile" nature of petroleum also, John
@@jamespaul2587 Well, I've seen Tesla's exploding just as viciously
@@JDDevice yes, and every Tesla negative incident is magnified a thousand times or so while petrol explosions are largely unreported.... Nothing to see here, folks! ☺️
EV hot hatch; YES YES YES YES
Edit: nevermind, misread the description :(
ZOE is the probable choice for me now. Maybe I-Miev or the Citroen version. But, when Tesla Gigafactory 4(?) pulls out cars in Europe, I have to be ready for a Model Y.
Loving the retro Apple gear in the background..! 🙂👍🏻🙂
They need to work on their dealer network. They are few and spread out, this puts me off of heir whole range. Perhaps the old dealer approach is ending but they need to sort out show rooms and servicing hubs, with the latter a do it while you wait approach would be good.
Nice. It would be great if it could be sold here in the states.
Arround 13kw/100km that's pretty efficient
I know the design change is so slight but it makes all the difference for me 😍
My girlfriend's Zoe ZE40 is a great little car - she loves it. If the new ZE50 is an improvement for roughly the same outlay it could be a winner. But (you knew there'd be a "but" didn't you?): Renault will really need to get their dealers to up their game, with a better understanding of EVs, less FUD and good after sales support. A great car design can be let down by any of those, and I have to say that two years ago we bought her Zoe despite the dealer's salesman, not because of him.
How does Renault intend to compete with the ID3? The VW has more space without being that much bigger, a better quality interior, a more powerful engine (faster acceleration) and bigger batteries (better range). Here in Portugal they're going to be about 5k euros apart, which will equate to nothing once you finance them. What's the point?
MotoZest - the ‘point’ is that Renault will actually sell this car, and soon, whereas VW is still just talking...
@@zaphodsbluecar9518 So Renault's strategy is owning the market for 6 months before the ID3 arrives? Is that it? Sounds like a nice strategy...
The Zoe will not compete with the ID3 in the same way as the Clio does not compete with the Golf! It's in a different class - I can't understand why people don't get this! It will compete with the ID2 (Electric Polo) when it arrives.
@@garyallsopp6369 When you finance, which 95% of customers do, you get the same monthly deal with this one and the ID3 (at least here in Portugal - I checked with Renault and VW). Would you go for this one?
Agree. The VW ID3 and the Fiat Centoventi will have the market pretty much to themselves - the ID3 in the midsize family car segment (with its great range, interior qualiry and space) and the Centoventi in the city car segment (with its great range, modularity and funky looks). Renault better sell a lot of these fast because in a couple of months time the demand will be pretty low.
Look at how well small cars sell in Canada. Renault could certainly sell a lot of these here assuming the BMS thermal system can handle sub-freezing weather, and if the cabin heat can do it. I think we'll put up with a coolish cabin (we're wearing coats anyway, right?) but you really have to clear ice off the windscreen. Let's do it!
Don't think e-car is good for winter. Wasting battery for heating battery is not very efficient, and you certainly need heated garage
Ted Archer I live in the Alps, I have an EV (albeit not a ZOE) and I have experienced no problem what so ever, mate. I plug it in over night and by the time I need it in the morning, it is preheated to a temperature of my choice, the windows are deiced and defogged AND the battery is at 100% SOC. Winterdriving is no different than with any other car, snow chains, however, cut your reach in half. And no, I don’t have a garage.
@@tedarcher9120 The Norwegians seem to do just fine with their EVs in winter
@@vladsaghin7644 well, they have Golfstrim. They rarely have -5 C in the winter, usually 0-+5 degrees. In -15 weather you can't even charge your electric car at home, because it has not enough energy to heat up the battery
Winter itself is not problem when e cars reliably starts even in cold conditions. They also heat the windshield and cabin faster. The only but is the reduced range ie. instead of 400km WLPT it is 200-250km. You can help the problem with additional fuel warmer. You can use it with ethanol or eco-diesel fuel. Renault installs fuel warmers in scandinavia to all new e- kangoo's utility vehicles before delivery. Björn Nyland tested Model X on -37 celsius degrees in Nothern Norway. He slept one night in the car and measured consumption. Also driving. There were no issues. Please watch yourself..
Great video.
Since the US has such a hard on for SUV / Crossover, Honda should change the HR-V to an HR-EV!
Michael Mara: GM is doing that at the moment, and Honda has invested in GM’s battery tech, so it may happen soon.
Most curious about the realtime public chargers support they also promise. That was a false promise for our older zoe with 41kWh battery.
Set to be an excellent little car
There was the 42kW AC option (Q90). Seems as if the whole original system was not designed for higher Voltage and that 50 KW is technically the max.
Always glad to see more options out there. More options means more competition and innovation.
I would like to get one but once again the problem is that they won't sell or service to us in the U.S., by the way are there ac chargers here in the U.S.?
Just wondering, does it have active battery cooling? If not, could we be looking at Rapidgate all over again, as with the Leaf?
It's active battery cooling by fan forced air. Can be very powerfull and noisy if the batteries are hot.
Not as efficient as the liquid Tesla's one but much more than Leaf's one.
With this cooling we could charge a 22kWh battery at 43kW ! So with 55kWh battery pack at 50kW, twice less by Ah of battery.
So no ,you will have no rapid-gate as the Leaf had
@@philv3941 thanks that's very helpful
In France the price is from 23,200 to 26,600 euros plus 69 euros per month for battery rental. Or from 32,200 to 35,500 euros with bought battery, which is almost 11 years of battery rental worth more expensive. Prices are base prices for each trim level. Above those there's some customizations like color (any other color than white costs 540 euros).
With the battery in ownership, that car goes for renault talisman money, what's the point of an electric hatchback at the same price of an executive sedan...
Currently, £18000 is around $23000 US (£22000 is just under $28000 US). If that's the case, they should do VERY well!
I’m excited for the VW e-up that’s predicted to come out in autumn with 132 miles of real range and cost £16,000
Edit: And that price includes the battery
Let's hope they have sorted out the sea of plastic that is the current interior. I went to FC live to see what my first electric car will be. I discounted the current Zoe after sitting in the driver's seat for less than 30 seconds.
yes it is recycling stuff :))
I was in the Renault dealer the weekend to look at the Zoe I think 110 and the price was 31,000 with purchase of battery
Great preview, Nikki. Zoe should continue to prosper, except in Australia, where we probably won't see this for a couple of years...☹️
peter gorton the trouble in Oz is the complete lack of marketing and poor after-sales service...
Zaphods BlueCar completely agree, not helped by complete lack of enthusiasm or interest from the Federal government!
thx for the great video.
Maybe they should start importing them to Cali ... Then we could sneak one across the border :D
Thank you for another GREAT review. Any chance we can see this EV in the USA?
Nikki, Craig Tonge at RZOC in the UK has recently been to Paris and made a video about the new Zoe. Here's the link :
ruclips.net/video/g73V9dwYww4/видео.html
Jhakkass solid good job,,,,, MADAM 😁🇮🇳👍😁
If the Z0E could pass US crash standards. It could be the first true 20k electric car with a real-world range over 150 miles. A real car with relatively quick charging. California residents would be able to get them for 15k after all the tax credits.
fatboy19831, but that’s without the battery, right? The price with battery is closer to $30k. The Zoe is pretty amazing with AC-43 charging. I wonder where you can find an outlet to use that in the US. Maybe a shipyard
I always felt this system would make it much cheaper and easier to roll out charging infrastructure. You could have many more charging stall for the same price as a few DCFC. But DCFC is getting a pretty good foothold.
@@imho7250 28k with the battery, There would be a $7500 federal tax credit. For the people making over 70k a year, it would be a 20k car. My bet is a good percentage of the people buying a Zoe may not qualify for the full federal tax credit. The Canadian and most states would give the full credit.
fatboy19831, yes, that’s the problem with the US tax credit, it originated from funds not intended for climate change. So it’s specifically for the more affluent.
Moving the production site should double the output, could see 100,000 of them made over the next year according to the news here in France.
This looks really good!
If i could afford the 40kwh model i would buy it. But i had yo buy an 24kwh Leaf instead just because of the problems with not able to charge the zoe at home and not able to quickcharge.
And i think its a bit on the small side, but a really nice car tho!
The infotainment could be a great improvement. The R-Link system was too slow, the tomTom navigation crude, unintuitive, the distances at crossings disturbingly wrong and charging station were badly implemented. Looks much better now. Besides: the whole energy flow thingy (guess copied from the Prius) was highly irrelevant after the first demo.
Happy ZOwnEr
If it only came in a Macaron version like the Twingo with more a colorful interior :)
Hi Nikki , is there any possibility of Renault selling the Zoe in North America through an electric only car dealer?
bring it to the states
Renault left the U.S. auto market about 30 years ago. It's highly doubtful they'll be back any time soon. You can google research it more if you're interested
@@jaroessa294 only if it merge wit Nissan !
Sounds like a great car but unfortunately not many are being produced or sold each year. Just 37k last year. Lets hope the new version will get the company to produce more but if we use the past as any marker traditional auto companies are unable or unwilling to produce more. Also if they could get this in the US under $30k it would sell great here even though our CCS infrastructure is very poor at the moment.
As Renault has never sold cars in the US, I don't think they will. Most of the cars they sell are small compact hatchbacks or larger family MPVs, which isn't really in the US market. It's unlikely for Renault to start selling in the US anytime soon
It ranks as the 16th highest selling subcompact in Europe. Once the new model is out, I reckon it will climb quite a few notches. Would be nice if it broke into the top 10
It will win in those categories you mention because there is NO other competitors
22.000£ incl. 20% VAT or net price ?
You need to show the car in the large screen full time
The new ZOE's dash design reminds me of a modernized Fiat 500e look.
Recently bought a £100 cordless lawnmower with an 18v battery. What a revelation for convenience and ease of use a new battery however if required is nearly half the price of the mower. The Renault Zoe for my motoring needs is absolutely what I require as a retired person, but it is still too expensive compared to my nice little automatic petrol car. Couple that with renting a battery and this old git will not be trendsetting in my street yet. I'd go so far as to say when there is parity between petrol and electric cars I shall probably either be dead or surrendering my licence. Nice moves though and it is going in the right direction.
I'm surprised that the motoring industry haven't collaborated to achieve a standard battery for smaller cars. Referring to the lawnmower you slide the battery in and out the front. I've often wondered if gas stations were converted they could have stocks of batteries on charge where a battery could be slid out the car on a fork and a fresh one pushed in.
Hello Barry, Getting a second hand electric car is getting easier. I was at the recent fully charged show at Silverstone and there is a growing network of independent garages catering for any and all EVs. Additionally, there are cottage industries offering replacement battery packs. Note that an EV probably has a life of 500,000 miles and the battery will last as long - only with far less charge/range. The main consideration at present is if you have a private driveway to park on. This makes overnight charging possible and means you wake up every morning to the full range and pre-heated in winter - plus charged on economy 7 for pennies. Note also that maintenance on EVs is much much less than Petrol or diesel (and don't believe dealerships if they indicate otherwise). I hope you can get behind the wheel of an EV before surrendering your licence, they are glorified lawn mowers only minus the blades!!
Les hope they can source the batterys so you can purchase & then have a delivery within 1 to 2 months, not 6 to 9 months like some EV cars in the uk.
So they are undercutting similarly ranged competition models by a little bit, by excluding the battery pack? That does not sound like it is actually going to be cheaper. But the pricing seems stuck in the realm of speculation at the moment.
@@rogerstarkey5390 So? It also has the range and price of an ID3 but comes without a battery.
@@BugMagnet £18500 without Battery, £25000 with battery.
Nice vintage Mac collection on the shelves behind you! :-D
I am VERY dissapointed with the 50kW charging; It's a city car most of the time, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be long distance capable; Not offering 100kW CCS is very short sighted. It doesn't make this model future proof. Remember, it's not that much smaller then a Leaf and no one argues that is 'only' a city car
If the Renault FCA merger were somehow to be revived we may end up seeing the Zoe here. It is a bit undersized for the US market but the price is right.
It's about the same size as a Ford Fiesta
Gary Allsopp Ford is ending production of the Fiesta due to low sales.
@@Miata822 Wow - Over here, It's the best selling car in the UK & 4th best in Europe!
@@garyallsopp6369 Everybody here seems to drive SUVs or pickup trucks.
We love it when you give use stats in old money, miles / hr conversions please,.
Great Channel, great vid !!
Thanks
You should do a story on all the SMART Electric cars that are " Bricked" If the 12 volt battery dies the HV battery soon follows and you are left with a large bill for a new battery , if you can get one ! Mercedes is no help at all and even though the battery could still be under warranty they say it is not.
Also the hv battery dies if it is left for more than 14 day without being plugged in leaving the owner with no choice but to buy a new battery .... In short don't leave it parked for the winter with out a 12v battery tender and plugged in for the HV battery !
If quality is good, it looks fab and will be great option!! Maybe will be our next 2nd car and will get rid of ICE car completely.
Zoe is fine quality wise. No worse than others. They had some issues first gen but seems to be solved now :)
Sounds like a great car. Pity it isn't available in the US. Then again, it isn't "Mah big! 'Merican! Hruh!" so it probably wouldn't do well in sales.
It's nice reading about all your LITTLE cars and all the problems with your LITTLE batteries. I agree that they would be a cheap 2nd car but if or when you get the chance to sit in a Tesla and go for a spin you should jump at it cause the technology and performance is years and years ahead of anything in the EV market. Most of all batteries and they are releasing a new battery latter this year that is supposedly twice as good as the one the Model 3 is currently running. I know they are dearer than the market your talking about but they are just sooo good. Cannot wait for the European Gigafactory. I'm saving up cause i don't like sitting on top of my passenger.
Your comment really doesn’t come across very nicely.
Not a bad car but I'd still rather get the Opel Corsair E or Peugot e208. Purely because of looks cargo and charging capacity.
The Zoe is purely and only a city car still. apart from the fact that it has very little cargo capacity and it is barely possible to carry enough luggage in it for 2 people, it's slow charging time with such a big battery is a dealbreaker.
For a 50kwh Battery, 70kw should be the minimum charging speed. ideally 100 or more.
A swing and a miss if you ask me.
u ll carry more in a Zoe than a 208 or Corsa :))
Anyone know how reliable the Zoe has been?
the main issues are related to the battery charger. Many faults, especially the ones that charge at 43 kW
i would love that interior or just give that car
I'd rather have this over the Kona here in India.
Time to trade in the Clio.
Renault the best
Super Mini sized? You've got a strange scale for cars, just because it's not a SUV it is still a standard mid size car, at least for Europe. How do you call a Fiat 500, a matchbox?
But van it tow? My VW golf TSI can tow 1500kg. How hard can it be to have the Zoe tow 750kg...
Brecht Schatteman I don’t see why you couldn’t fit a tow bar and tow 750kg - you probably loose quite a bit of range but with a battery that size it would be very useful.
badchefi that world give a 200km towing range or something like that, that is very useful. But I live in Belgium, if the car isn’t homologated to tow, you risk heavy fines by towing.
Brecht Schatteman you might be able to get a certificate from the engineer that installs the Tow bar on the Car. But I don’t know your countries laws.
I would assume that Renault would waive their warranty on the Car - so you might want to wait and convert a second hand Zoe.
badchefi In Europe, or at least in Benelux, the car needs to be type approved for towing. If Renault doesn’t provide that, you are screwed. Than you have to get it homologated as a unique case, which would allow your specific car to tow, but not the other Renault Zoe’s. And cost is easily over 2k€ if you manage to pass it the first trial, which is almost impossible in Belgium, first trial they always find something to fail your attempt, for example if you used a galvanized screw instead of a black one or something like that. That is also why I ordered factory installed tow bar on my golf, it is far less trouble to pass the yearly car inspection with that
Brecht Schatteman down here in New Zealand there are quite a few EV’s sporting tow bars, as the rules are lot less strict than the EU.
The Renault and Nissan battery size is not the issue it's the battery quality which is very much the issue. Nissan battery technology has a proven track record off being extremely bad. Their cooling and general battery management has seriously compromised the reputation off their electric cars. Teslas approach to batteries has proved to be the best way .
Zoe's battery management is excellent. It uses active air cooling / heating. It's extremely reliable. Only problem is it's quite noisy as it uses the heat-pump. But it's a practical solution and cheaper than a liquid-cooled system. It's a different league to the Leaf.
Twice the cost of a Twingo is no bargain! Why does a small car like that have to loaded with options fit for a luxury car?
And you pay a monthly fee for the batteries too. For a first car it is too small. For a second car it is simply too expensive.
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10 second 0 to 100 kph? gack. Does it HAVE to be that slow?
IncognitoTorpedo no, but it gives them more range and longer battery life.
But with instant torque, it will have much more usable performance; numbers can be misleading - In the real world my 2015 Zoe would outsprint a Golf GTi up to 35mph (55kph); this one should be quicker again.
Unless Europeans like to be hoodwinked with fancy talk and glib words, I laugh when I hear people say that "it will be quite popular" or "it's an excellent little car". This is 30,000 Euros for a sardine can with very limited range, slow recharge times and a high price for what you get (22,000 car + 8,000 battery). Renault is trying to con people big time by ALLOWING them to "rent" the battery pack, which will basically add another 100 Euros to your monthly car payment. And from what I'm reading across the internet, the rental program is controversial and not well-received by most car buyers. Seriously...think about it, how would you take it if a regular ICE car maker started charging you to "rent" the gas tank. RIDICULOUS!
I don't see the point of those car as of yet, the zoe goes on sale for the same price of a 4 door saloon of the same brand, who in their right mind would by an hatchback instead of a saloon just because it's an electric...
What's so great about saloon cars over hatchback's? And who in their right mind would drive a car with lots of moving parts in the engine, compared to just one moving part in the electric motor?
@@demmersify simple, better value for money and less depreciation overall, even with conventional engine.
A hatchback with a normal engine of the same brand starts at 10k euros, not 30k, which shows what kind of rip off renault trying to do with the zoe.
As for the reliability of the conventional car vs electric car, theoretically, electric cars should be more resilient, however, we have yet to see large scale sale of used electric car outside of their warranty, then, we should be able to judge if it is the case or not.
Love your shirt.
We need modular units to retrofit in our existing cars.
Don't care about new OVERPRICED electric cars from car manufacturers.
Current day clio 4 is very good, simply remove the ice tech and use this new zoe50 tech.
We don't care to receive less quality for the car, weird design and all sort of weird stuff from manufacturers when we can enjoy our present day vehicles
Too little market of those who would care to convert to justify making all the research and lines to produce it and set up shops and teach crews how to remove ice stuff and replace with kit and then additional safety tests by regulations to make it road legal again etc - all that labor and research makes it so expensive that you can get a ready made EV by that time. Sad but true.
Also your ice car has no body cavities for battery module, so it needs custom battery that cant be in one piece but speard around in car .. complexity complexity, more stuff to fail and so on, new car it is.
they have noisy cabins - lots of road noise
Um. I own a Zoe. They really don't have noisy cabins. Additionally, the new Zoe has an acoustic windshield, which should make the cabin quieter still.
Well the current version got 0 in safety, and it's more expensive than ioniq, so no for me. I care about safety and price(a little bit on technology) than range
what the what, zoe is not safe? links?
renault-zoe-earns-5-star-euro-ncap-safety-rating-video is my first thing that i find when i google, from 2013. "The Renault Zoe is now listed among the world's safest automobiles with a 5-Star Euro NCAP rating in recently completed safety testing."
You need to check your sources @sal.
@@gelisob www.renault.co.il/cars/Zoe/specifications.html
Scroll down to the safety rating. And there is the prof from the official website you can clearly see It has 0 safety meaning it has no safety and only has 4 airbags (ioniq has 7 airbags and it got 8 in the safety rating which is the highest)
Well, the Zoe is smaller than the Ioniq so it doesn’t need more than 4 airbags. When EuroNCAP tested the Zoe it had the best safety results of any car of its size. Surely they will test this new version
Can't wait to see 20 million cars all at the same time try to get 50kw each out of the infrastructure, not only will it melt but power stations will need to run on diesel and petrol to get even close, I foresee total failure.