Meant to bring it up in the video, but ViewSonic was famous for using a trio of colorful Gouldian finches to show off the vibrant color of their monitors. They often included wallpaper files on the disks, which were used to show them off in stores! Here's a great album of them: imgur.com/a/bSX6i
Lazy Game Reviews Lazy Game Reviews the first video I watched of yours was the c64 review and I fell in love with your channel, it's so cool to see how far you've come, I hope you continue to make videos, and I wish you luck on the road to 1 million subscribers
CRTs last forever and the colours are so sharp. And even cheap CRTs know how to display dark colours properly! Unlike cheap LED screens which glow blue instead of black, unless you fork out for expensive models which don't do that. Shame CRTs are so bulky and power hungry compared to flatscreens. Gotta love how they cause mini power surges whenever you turn them on. :D I wonder how that affected PC equipment in the long run. I still have a similar 17" CRT from 2002 which I replaced with a TFT flatscreen in '06 - After sitting in storage for a while, I now use it for a CCTV system. It doesn't see daily use, but it's still working perfectly and has outlasted the TFT I replaced it with by several years.
I'm a huge nerd and still never gotten excited about a power cord before. Now brand new game manuals, huge nostalgia over their smell even if I never actually read them.
Alex Atkin I remember the day I noticed a change in scent of game manuals from early PS2 games to 2002 and beyond. I think I first noted the change when I got State of Emergency. PSX I remember mostly all smelling the same.
Spectacular. Man, I remember unpacking a pair of very similar Optiquest Viewsonics (even in 2000s I was a multi-monitor dork) to place on my wobbly desk back in the day. Thanks for taking the time to share.
ZipplyZane Actually CRTs do have native resolutions, but it is true that low resolution games look perfect on them, as they just scan a bigger image, effectively drawing bigger pixels. An LCD will instead have to upscale the games, adding lag and blurring the image to fit a fixed-pixel display. Although it is possible for an LCD to just make each pixel bigger, very few actually upscale this way despite it being near-instant, as only certain resolutions can be scaled like that.
@@justanotheryoutubechannelCRT's do not have native RES, they have a recommended RES which is normally not the Max but will have higher HZ due to the limits of the 350-400mhz RAMDAC of GPU/monitors then.
Must admit I am a bit envious, yes CRTs are heavy and power hungry but they do more colors and until very recently a faster response time with a resolution up to 2560x1600@75Hz. As if anyone needed another reason to like CRTs, Your pet often a cat would curl up, purr and sleep on top while "supervising" your work...
Aaaah, such a walk down memory lane. I giggled when you degaussed it - and when you flipped the disk at 6:40 - I could feel the weight shift in my hand. Beautiful!
Holy crap I am so jealous of that monitor. Every week you push me more and more to the brink of building an old PC for myself just for nostalgia's sake! I'd love to play all my old games again!
I don't think I've ever watched any game reviews on this channel. I just love looking at all the old hardware and oddware. This is the stuff I was drooling over years ago when I had my 286 in my bedroom at home. I'd love to build a 486 now but it's so expensive now! Keep up the good work.
This is one great video! I actually have an older version of this monitor. It's still just as sharp as when it was new. I used ToastyX Custom Resolution Utility and i got 1536*1152 at 60hz progressive on it, it does the same resolution at 120hz interlaced too. It does 1600*1200 at 60p/120i with custom timings, it's super sharp and readable and usable at this resolution too. The monitor was great for playing CS in 1080*810 at 160hz interlaced. It even did 1920*1440 or 2560*1440 at 96i, or even 2560*1920 at 72i but at this point everything got a bit too small to see. I once upgraded from this Viewsonic E771 to a 200hz iiyama monitor (that i managed to get up to 425hz lol), and now i upgraded again to two 21" Eizo monitors, one flat shadow mask with a really good Hitachi tube, and the other Eizo has a Trinitron tube. Actally there is a brand new in box Dell monitor with a flat Sony Trinitron tube for sale here in norway. I was wondering if i should get it or not but i have nowhere to put it, and it would probably be a bit expensive lol (the listing had no price). 17" 96KHz 160Hz .23mm pitch with black casing.
I had this exact model of monitor ... same brand and model. It replaced a older Daewoo monitor i had around 2001, and it was the last CRT monitor i owned before getting a 17'' Samsung LCD around 2004 or so. Nice memories seeing this old friend back in action... Many thanks for the video.
Man I just love when you do this kind of videos...lol. Idk even know why, but they just strike a Nostalgia chord that I didn't even know I had. So thank you for that!!
CRTs are awesome, sure they are big and power hungry but the image quality is amazing, and until they start making more mainstream OLED monitors, CRTs are king of quality
Same, I have an old tower pc with a black Dell CRT from 2002. Windows 2000 at 640x480, sharp quality. *Brody Foxx voice* What are ya gonna do about it??!!?!?!?!?!!!
Whoa that brings back memories! These used to be the monitors for the computers in my school (we've upgraded only in 2013 hahhh) they're clunky and stiff but they hold a special place in my heart. Thank you for showing this off, clint!
It's funny, I remember when I upgraded from my Dell CRT to a Samsung LCD, I was blown away by the picture quality and colors. Now you're making me nostalgic for CRTs because I haven't used one in ten years!
Colors? lol your CRT must have been unusually garbage if the colors looked worse. Only IPS and OLED displays can go toe-to-toe with CRTs with color purity, and those are the minority of LCD displays.
Loved the "nerdyness" unboxing a n.o.s. CRT monitor! When we got a new PC (NEC Direction VP, P3, 128MB, 30 GB, Win 98, Geforce 2) through a plan at my dad's work in 2001 it came with a 17" CRT as well. I set it up the way you do in this video. Sit dead-center in front of it, and stretch the picture to every corner, just before it reached the physical limits of the CRT itself. When our neighbour came in later that day, because we needed a bit of help with some software (he did, and still does IT+hardware for an elementary school across the street), he mentioned to me that it wasn't the best for the CRT to display a picture so far in the corners and I should leave some black borders around the picture. I, having a bright moment, asked him what good a 17" monitor was, when you would only use it to display a 15" sized picture on it. After some thinking, he agreed to expand the picture. Dunno why I still remember this, good times I guess. :)
I still hold on to my old 21" CRT just in case all of my other monitors spontaneously explode. I still remember how all the lights in the room would dim for a second when I turned it on.
Oh my, nostalgia kicking me in the teeth. What an amazing video. About the yellow plastic thingies, the 8-bit guy has some interesting restoration methods you should check out. Although you probably already know about it and that's why you decided to go for green paint :D
I remember having one of these time ago! I thought those birds in the corner where a sticker, but they are embbeded to the case! Cool. I also had one 1600x1200 from a brand I can't remember. Halo CE at 75Hz ftw!
Random videos such as this one remind me of old videos of yours where there was no script and a new PC or soundcard was shown without it being a review. Just a simple nostalgia trip. Very enjoyable, more would be very welcome ! :)
Just watched this video with my MAG Innovision 17 inch CRT from 2002! I leave mine at 1024x768 at 60hz. I'm glad someone else out there likes these old CRT monitors! I think they're fantastic when you find a good unmolested one. I can't believe you were able to find a NOS one and a Viewsonic of all things!!
You're right about the Value Village in Greensboro. I've never seen CRTs for sale anywhere else in my area except V.V. I actually bought a really nice NEC MultiSync XV15 monitor from June 1995 at Value Village for just a few dollars a few months ago. I use it on my Gateway 2000 P5-133 XL. The monitor you got looks magnificent and I never knew a CRT could natively support such a high resolution!
Have something with a very similar spec by dell, if only because the black chassis fits in more with my modern setup. And fit in well it does, the colours are still outstanding today and at such high resolutions the image looks looks like a high quality print. Great for games where input lag is something you need to worry about, or for watching old 4:3 TV shows the way they were meant to be watched.
I’m going to be getting my first CRT monitor today. A 17inch, triad mask, Hyundai Imagequest Q770 Flatscreen. I’m super hyped for it, even though it’s probably not the best monitor. I just think it would be hard to mess it up so badly that it looks worse than my LCD for 640x480 video, the one thing I want it for. I eventually plan to collect many of these things, but this is a good start as I’m getting this one for free along with most of the components I’d need to built a 286 from my Dad’s coworkers, as his company is finally upgrading the PC that they’ve been using for some super important company stuff for nearly 40 years. The monitor isn’t as old as the PC, and should be in pretty good condition.
I got a HP p1230 21" CRT last year. Drove about three hours to pick it up from the owner of a small engineering company. That monitor is fucking insane, I tell you. I can run that beast at 1024x768@160Hz for CS:GO and at 1440x1080@120Hz for desktop use. I really prefer the CRT over my Zowie 144Hz monitor for older games and fast paced FPS like Quake because a) the colors are much better and b) I can run lower resolution to keep my framerate high without sacrificing image quality (upscaling makes the image blurry on LCDs). It's 70 fucking pounds and functions as a small heater in winter but I love it. €10 (gas money not included ;)) was absolutely worth it.
I'm watching this on a LG FLATRON ez T730SH 17" CRT monitor, and it has similar specs to the one you're showing, and damn this thing is amazing. I only didn't like the maximum res of 1280x1024, since it's 5:4, which makes things stretched in the 4:3 screen (don't know why they would make that one of the "native" driver resolutions). But luckily, I was able to overclock it to support 1080p (1440x1080 actually), at 60hz still, but it isn't so bad. It also has built in rescaling for 16:9 resolutions (1280x720 is native, with letterboxing and all), so modern games with no 4:3 support aren't bad on it. The best thing about it though, is the support for very low resolutions without blurring the image. I can even do 320x240 on it (albeit at 120Hz, since the minimum is 31Khz horizontal refresh), with thick black scanlines, like a CRT TV. Using emulators that are able to scale the image of the game, makes it possible to play retro console games with pixel perfect 240p resolution, round pixels, sharp and bright like they're meant to be, without any filtering! There are ways to avoid the blur created by playing 60FPS content on a 120Hz res, but it's not bothersome, and in fact lowers the input lag. For an even sharper image with real scanlines, it's also possible to create a "super resolution", like 1280x240, or even 3840x240, where the giant width (when scaled correctly to fullscreen) makes the image so sharp, that it rivals the look of a PVM or BVM. CRTs are great! Also, some time ago I saw your comment on RGB Rob's channel, and thought it was great you were a CRT appreciator, so it's good to see you finally showcasing the greatness of one in full, on your channel!
I actually preferred my Viewsonic CRT's over the LCD's when they first started coming out. It wasn't that long ago that good low latency wide view angle LCDs were even able to compete with CRT's... Buying one is a bit rough tho... 8 years ago I couldn't give mine away. I ended up leaving them at work to get assimilated. - Eddy
Man the screens of this time period that you have here, they really were awesome. We are the people that have watched this all turn from amazing to unbelievable, to stunning. In the future the people will see incredible things for sure. The things you put on your channel remind all of us of times that we were younger and didn't realize how something like this would someday be gone. These monitors were really something cool back in the day, and honestly seeing this today. I have to say they stand up to the test of time, sure a lot bigger but we all seemed to get by just the same. Thank you for always posting stuff that just makes nerds heads explode.
Funnily enough, my first flat panel was a ViewSonic of roughly the same era. I was so happy to leave CRTs behind. But now, like you, I enjoy bathing in the warm nostalgic glow of a tube monitor.
Hey Clint, want to know a trick? In the 3D maze screensaver that you had going at the end (I love it too btw) you can make it higher resolution by taking it off fullscreen mode and putting the resolution bar all the way up. It looks awesome even if there's a slight black border.
This is so awesome! Please make more videos like this. I really enjoy watching videos about old games, windows, pc parts... Keep doing this because I think it's great! :D
I hate 1280x1024. That resolution has always bugged the hell out of me. I don't know who came up with that resolution and why it caught on, but it's NOT 4:3, LCD monitors with that as their native resolution where a weird almost square shape, and if you use it on a proper 4:3 monitor you'll have non-square pixels and distorted proportions. The correct 4:3 version would be 1280x960... Spread the word :)
I've had a couple of these monitors, they were wonderful... That is, until one blew a display tube and almost caught fire (damned leaky roof-no I was unaware that it was leaking into my monitor). The other one I had got stolen. Of course, I was away when this happened so I never knew until long after I had gotten back and realized something was amiss.
Those sonys way a freaking TON. my grandmother had one for her old 95 machine, and when she got a dell back in 01 or 02, we moved it upstairs to where she put it.... Dear God, never again T_T That being said, I miss it.
I had that exact monitor back in the day. Loved it! Viewsonic made some really nice monitors back then and the Optiquest line was among them. Hope you enjoy it!
Thanks for the tip on Gateway monitors! I always figured they were subpar, but the Sony tube inside shows. I just picked up a 19" one - the picture is amazing!
I fucking love CRTs. Dug out an old Dell 19" 1600x1200 75Hz one that still works like a champ. Thing is gorgeous. The motion blur reduction over a 60hz TN panel is just unbelievable. Contrast ratio and black levels that make OLED nervous. And the sharpest sub HD images you'll ever see. My only problem is on the video card end. Nvidia stopped providing analog out with Pascal and now I am forced to use a converter to get proper VGA output. My HDMI to VGA adapter sucks and occasionally blanks out once in awhile. Can anyone provide a link to a good active converter that will do the job?
Tbh, I've had luck with a lot of the cheap little things on Amazon--but shipping them outside of America might get difficult depending on where you live, but realistically speaking, these are all probably made by the same cheapo Chinese manufacturer anyway, so it probably doesn't matter what you get. I think DisplayPort tends to be a bit cheaper if your card supports that. www.amazon.com/VicTsing-Gold-plated-DisplayPort-Adapter-Converter/dp/B06VWCB587/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1502648195&sr=1-4&keywords=displayport+to+vga
Late reply. You could try looking around for any hd fury adapters, but they recently stopped making analog stuff. You may be able to find them used. They are really good, a tad pricey for lower end models. I got 2 nanos and they do the job very nicely.
@@dillfish0528 sure am. I found a decent DisplayPort to VGA adapter that doesn't blank out at all. It's from Startech. I run the old Dell at a custom 1920x1440 60hz alongside my Asus XG279Q a 2560x1440 144hz screen. Best of both worlds. CRT for retro and locked 60 fps content, LCD for modern HD variable fps content. I don't think anything will truly replace the CRT for years to come.
I had one of these! Well, not this same model, but a similar 17" Viewsonic. I carried mine to LAN parties every Friday night, can you believe it? Heavy sucker. Thanks for doing these videos. They're comfort food to me.
21" Trinitrons are not so hard to find where I live, I even bought one not too long ago, but getting it up the stairs was really painful. Mine goes up to 1920x1440, and can do 170Hz, at least at lower resolutions. Still, 1600x1200 at 100Hz is not bad at all.
For me, 19'' CRT was enough, also 85 Hz was enough. That thing 1600x1200 100Hz at 21'''was maximum reasonable on CRT, and you paid a lot for it (price, weight , electricty bill). That's why for me, best middle was 19'' and 1280x960 at 85 Hz. It was enough.
Same, both 15" (trinitron) and 17" (trinitron flat; G200 iirc) versions. The latter costed around $350 in my country back in the day. Having to switch over to an LCD screen many years later felt like a downgrade in some aspects.
Call me insane but I still use an old Sony CRT monitor.We bought it in 2004 I think when I was in high school for our old PC and I took it when I moved out.Last year I bought my brand new PC but not a new monitor.Am I the only one who just finds they look better?
@ The Mad Marxist No I don't think you're crazy if you're comparing to TN LCD panels--I've yet to see one that can hold a candle to my tubes. However, IPS panels, while a bit more expensive, can actually look almost as good depending upon the calibration--they're usually not as good for games though because, while in 'monitor sizes' (20-30 inches), the latency is usually good enough (roughly around 30 ms or less), at TV sizes (32 inches and up), the latency can get out of control. The black level is also always going to be worse than a properly calibrated CRT. Hopefully OLED can get that latency (and price) down, because it has the color _and_ the deep blacks. They're just too expensive right now though and don't come in monitor sizes yet.
+Licentious Howler Thanks for the info,man.Still I don't think I'll ever change my tube unless it dies suddenly.And if it does I'll still buy another one for like $10,they're really,really cheap here in Eastern Europe.
Compared to a TN type LCD, it will have a lot better contrast. If it's really large, I'd use it for watching videos on your PC. Just be sure to set the color mode to sRGB or something similar.
Man, this brings back memories. One of the first PCs I built back in the day, I bought this exact same model new. It was a great monitor, just eventually lost out to desk space.
Overclock them, if they can't reach an high frequency use an high interlaced frequency. Scan lines will be imperceptible and the refresh rate will be very good
I have a 21 inch version of this, HUUUUUUGEEEE! It takes up so much room but I just can't throw it away. You make me want to bring it out again, LGR. D:
for CRTs that can run at a maximum horizontal frequency of around 70 KHz, the maximum is 87 to 88 hz at 1024x768, where 85 hz is 68.6 KHz. 75hz at that resolution equals almost exactly 60KHz.
Great stuff. Nice to see a new CRT display unboxing in 2017...that is something you certainly do not see every day ;) It's funny that you mentioned the Sony Trinitron displays as I came across a Multiscan G520 on Craigslist about a year ago and picked it up for $60. Oddly enough it was the *only* CRT display available in my area on CL at the time. It is a monster heavy beast of a display and has that stupid anti-glare covering glued on that scratches every time you wipe it. I have been planning on removing that one day. Otherwise, it is one hell of a display. You should hunt one down and get three guys to carry it home for you ;)
Oh man, I remember seeing those at school. Definitely agree viewsonic making excellent tubes. I found a G810-2 years ago at a garage sale. Had an awesome picture with a 21 inch screen. It's now referred as sparky because it zaps itself every several minutess. One day it will probably kill itself...As always, good video.
I love CRTs but I can never tell how much is nostalgia goggles or not. I know that games back in the nes/snes days were literally designed with scanlines in mind and look better. (Seriously, the games were NOT supposed to be pixel sharp. There are literally TONS of games where the graphics lose all definition WITHOUT the scanlines because they used them for shading and stuff. This is partially why old-school ACTUAL 8-bit games can look so terrible in HD. Ironically, 4k HD, or higher, would actually be THE BEST _BESIDES_ really low res monitors for viewing retro games because at that resolution you could accurately mimic the scanlines AND the way the color bled between them, with shaders. IF you see it it's GLORIOUS and you'll never want to play without scanlines OR with scanlines that are clear/black/clear/black again. GOTTA HAVE THAT BLEEDING). ... Did I just trump this and not finish a single thought? Who knows‽
You've just inspired me to buy a N.O.S CRT too! Very rare to find but have found a nice Compaq V570 15" capable of 1280x1024 - in that very iconic silver / black scheme they did around the HP takeover. Nice!
Dude, I've passed many, many, maaaany years trying to remember that game's title. Thank you very much! Jazz the Jackrabbit. I still can't believe I finally found it.
Weird how laptops today have a 1366x768 resolution when something from 2001 supports 1280x1024. well sh*t. i need windows 98 now. EDIT: i also noticed the channel has 666k subs. well double sh*t. the devil has returned.
There were 1600x1200s & apparently even 2048x1536 displays even earlier. I would suppose if video cards supported them there must have been some kinda super high-end screens that actually ran it. lol
Larger screens support higher resolutions, generally. Also the refresh rate at 1024p would be too low to use the monitor comfortably, with CRTs one wants 100Hz or higher.
The switch to 16:9 resolutions screwed everything up. Not that 1280x1024 is 4:3 (it's 5:4), but it's closer, at least. Honestly, I would've found 1280x1024 cramped even back in 2001. I was running my 19" CRT monitor at 1600x1200 by 1998 at the latest.
My Asus generic laptop goes up to high resolutions just dandy fine, it's actually a bit of a PITA because most images i find, and need, are below that resolution, which makes them tiny.
Yasssss so many fond memories!! I used to have a 17" Viewsonic CRT monitor back in 98. Netscape Navigator 4.x and Red Hat Linux 5.1 Manhattan.. those were the days!!!
Meant to bring it up in the video, but ViewSonic was famous for using a trio of colorful Gouldian finches to show off the vibrant color of their monitors. They often included wallpaper files on the disks, which were used to show them off in stores! Here's a great album of them:
imgur.com/a/bSX6i
I see what you did lol. Love your stuff!
Lazy Game Reviews Lazy Game Reviews the first video I watched of yours was the c64 review and I fell in love with your channel, it's so cool to see how far you've come, I hope you continue to make videos, and I wish you luck on the road to 1 million subscribers
Love the crt my Philips crt is on its last legs. its a shame I cant find one anywhere.
Oh I always thought they were parrots, the more you know 😃
stop giving me a boner, i came to watch a video about a old monitor, not get a boner.
CRTs - a time when you could run things at lower than native resolution and they would still look super crisp
Yeah hello that's what I like about crtv computer monitors clean clear crisp...........
hardware antialiasing
Also resolution and aspect ratio were independent.
Always loved that degauss noise on CRT monitors...
same
same
Same here
Same XD
*Pushes button*
DOMMMMMMMMMMMM.................*click*
:D
>Goes from watching LinusTechTips 16k video to an unboxing video a 16 year old monitor.
Life is great.
Watched that video too, lol.
Haloid Kusnetsov I just did that too.
Whoa man, same lol.
that's exactly what I did
Dude, same
CRTs last forever and the colours are so sharp. And even cheap CRTs know how to display dark colours properly! Unlike cheap LED screens which glow blue instead of black, unless you fork out for expensive models which don't do that. Shame CRTs are so bulky and power hungry compared to flatscreens. Gotta love how they cause mini power surges whenever you turn them on. :D I wonder how that affected PC equipment in the long run.
I still have a similar 17" CRT from 2002 which I replaced with a TFT flatscreen in '06 - After sitting in storage for a while, I now use it for a CCTV system. It doesn't see daily use, but it's still working perfectly and has outlasted the TFT I replaced it with by several years.
I fear I will never be nerd enough to really appreciate the musk of a new CRT power cord.
I'm a huge nerd and still never gotten excited about a power cord before.
Now brand new game manuals, huge nostalgia over their smell even if I never actually read them.
The new plastic smell is godly
Alex Atkin I remember the day I noticed a change in scent of game manuals from early PS2 games to 2002 and beyond. I think I first noted the change when I got State of Emergency. PSX I remember mostly all smelling the same.
How about the smell about a 18 year old pussy
I love the noise CRT monitors make when you turn them on, that fizzy static noise they make.
buzz hummmmm click.
that is what mine does to this day. I use it almost daily and i love hearing it :D
Every time lol :D
It's called Degaussing.. and it's awesome ;p
We knows it :D
Spectacular. Man, I remember unpacking a pair of very similar Optiquest Viewsonics (even in 2000s I was a multi-monitor dork) to place on my wobbly desk back in the day. Thanks for taking the time to share.
1:26 You threw away your complimentary tiny spider
Glad someone else noticed that too.
R.I.P Free micro spida!
Top right on the styrofoam, a small dark speckle
I read that in Ashens voice.
All those british youtubers are rubbing off on me
CRTs are _great_ for running games at a lower resolution than the max. They look so much better, since CRTs have no native resolution.
ZipplyZane Actually CRTs do have native resolutions, but it is true that low resolution games look perfect on them, as they just scan a bigger image, effectively drawing bigger pixels. An LCD will instead have to upscale the games, adding lag and blurring the image to fit a fixed-pixel display. Although it is possible for an LCD to just make each pixel bigger, very few actually upscale this way despite it being near-instant, as only certain resolutions can be scaled like that.
@@justanotheryoutubechannelCRT's do not have native RES, they have a recommended RES which is normally not the Max but will have higher HZ due to the limits of the 350-400mhz RAMDAC of GPU/monitors then.
I think I saw one of those big SONY CRTs at Savers... might have to go back for it!
Definitely do, yeah! They're fantastic.
every bit of this stabs me in the heart with nostalgia... :"(
Go buy one off Ebay.
Lawn Care Ebay it's like "Mercado libre" here on Mexico, it isn't trustful
Jack Le ahhh yes the good OL' days
yes
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Must admit I am a bit envious, yes CRTs are heavy and power hungry but they do more colors and until very recently a faster response time with a resolution up to 2560x1600@75Hz.
As if anyone needed another reason to like CRTs, Your pet often a cat would curl up, purr and sleep on top while "supervising" your work...
True
Aaaah, such a walk down memory lane. I giggled when you degaussed it - and when you flipped the disk at 6:40 - I could feel the weight shift in my hand. Beautiful!
Thanks LGR for including metric units in your videos. Highly uncommon, yet highly valued little thing here in the different continent.
Holy crap I am so jealous of that monitor. Every week you push me more and more to the brink of building an old PC for myself just for nostalgia's sake! I'd love to play all my old games again!
Biggest regret was ditching my 17" Gateway 2000 CRT. Loved that monitor
I don't think I've ever watched any game reviews on this channel. I just love looking at all the old hardware and oddware. This is the stuff I was drooling over years ago when I had my 286 in my bedroom at home. I'd love to build a 486 now but it's so expensive now! Keep up the good work.
This is one great video! I actually have an older version of this monitor. It's still just as sharp as when it was new. I used ToastyX Custom Resolution Utility and i got 1536*1152 at 60hz progressive on it, it does the same resolution at 120hz interlaced too. It does 1600*1200 at 60p/120i with custom timings, it's super sharp and readable and usable at this resolution too. The monitor was great for playing CS in 1080*810 at 160hz interlaced. It even did 1920*1440 or 2560*1440 at 96i, or even 2560*1920 at 72i but at this point everything got a bit too small to see.
I once upgraded from this Viewsonic E771 to a 200hz iiyama monitor (that i managed to get up to 425hz lol), and now i upgraded again to two 21" Eizo monitors, one flat shadow mask with a really good Hitachi tube, and the other Eizo has a Trinitron tube.
Actally there is a brand new in box Dell monitor with a flat Sony Trinitron tube for sale here in norway. I was wondering if i should get it or not but i have nowhere to put it, and it would probably be a bit expensive lol (the listing had no price). 17" 96KHz 160Hz .23mm pitch with black casing.
jhsevs Which eizo is better? The one with Trinitron or with hitachi? Which is sharper and more readable?
no way 425hz!? thats insane!
his power level is over 9000!!!
I had this exact model of monitor ... same brand and model. It replaced a older Daewoo monitor i had around 2001, and it was the last CRT monitor i owned before getting a 17'' Samsung LCD around 2004 or so. Nice memories seeing this old friend back in action... Many thanks for the video.
when you realise old tech is a low level fetish when he says "mmmmmmm nice smelling vga cable:"
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Clint isn’t a random guy
@@vicentcarro yes?
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Man I just love when you do this kind of videos...lol. Idk even know why, but they just strike a Nostalgia chord that I didn't even know I had. So thank you for that!!
CRTs are awesome, sure they are big and power hungry but the image quality is amazing, and until they start making more mainstream OLED monitors, CRTs are king of quality
yep :) I'm a CRT user
Same, I have an old tower pc with a black Dell CRT from 2002. Windows 2000 at 640x480, sharp quality.
*Brody Foxx voice* What are ya gonna do about it??!!?!?!?!?!!!
They are not as powerhungry as you would expect... In fact some newer LCDs probably use more power (the larger ones that is)
Whoa that brings back memories! These used to be the monitors for the computers in my school (we've upgraded only in 2013 hahhh) they're clunky and stiff but they hold a special place in my heart. Thank you for showing this off, clint!
It's funny, I remember when I upgraded from my Dell CRT to a Samsung LCD, I was blown away by the picture quality and colors. Now you're making me nostalgic for CRTs because I haven't used one in ten years!
Colors? lol your CRT must have been unusually garbage if the colors looked worse. Only IPS and OLED displays can go toe-to-toe with CRTs with color purity, and those are the minority of LCD displays.
It may well have been just the psychological effect of finally having a shiny new LCD monitor.
Loved the "nerdyness" unboxing a n.o.s. CRT monitor!
When we got a new PC (NEC Direction VP, P3, 128MB, 30 GB, Win 98, Geforce 2) through a plan at my dad's work in 2001 it came with a 17" CRT as well.
I set it up the way you do in this video. Sit dead-center in front of it, and stretch the picture to every corner, just before it reached the physical limits of the CRT itself.
When our neighbour came in later that day, because we needed a bit of help with some software (he did, and still does IT+hardware for an elementary school across the street), he mentioned to me that it wasn't the best for the CRT to display a picture so far in the corners and I should leave some black borders around the picture.
I, having a bright moment, asked him what good a 17" monitor was, when you would only use it to display a 15" sized picture on it. After some thinking, he agreed to expand the picture.
Dunno why I still remember this, good times I guess. :)
I still hold on to my old 21" CRT just in case all of my other monitors spontaneously explode. I still remember how all the lights in the room would dim for a second when I turned it on.
I love your enthusiasm over computers.I love all your channel content and don't find any of it boring.
This is quality content at its finest :) *Keep up the excellent work!*
There's something special about your videos about old hardware, they are insanely comfy to watch.
Wish I'd hung on to my 17" flatscreen CRT if only for my Dreamcast. Can you believe I just threw it away?
CRTs are still the way to go for retro consoles. My 2004ish Toshiba flatscreen makes old games look amazing.
Darkfalz So buy one even there are still on eby.
Oh my, nostalgia kicking me in the teeth. What an amazing video.
About the yellow plastic thingies, the 8-bit guy has some interesting restoration methods you should check out. Although you probably already know about it and that's why you decided to go for green paint :D
I remember having one of these time ago! I thought those birds in the corner where a sticker, but they are embbeded to the case! Cool. I also had one 1600x1200 from a brand I can't remember. Halo CE at 75Hz ftw!
I geeked out about the birds, too! I was like "I FORGOT ABOUT THE BIRDS!"
Random videos such as this one remind me of old videos of yours where there was no script and a new PC or soundcard was shown without it being a review. Just a simple nostalgia trip. Very enjoyable, more would be very welcome ! :)
Damn that game really popped!
Just watched this video with my MAG Innovision 17 inch CRT from 2002! I leave mine at 1024x768 at 60hz. I'm glad someone else out there likes these old CRT monitors! I think they're fantastic when you find a good unmolested one. I can't believe you were able to find a NOS one and a Viewsonic of all things!!
Still using my 19" Viewsonic professional CRT every day. It's more than 17 years old and still going strong. Anyway, have one for spare also.
cool! i still use a CRT too. Its just a low end Hp one from 2002, but it is my favorite, not going to replace it with a LCD.
Viewsonic was the brand of one of my first PC's it was such a gorgeous display . Congrats on this pickup
Played crysis 3 on viewsonic 21 crt at 2048x1536, it was amazing, i wish there was more development in crt... :D
Coool. Very lucky!
Sony f520 Tube I think
You're right about the Value Village in Greensboro. I've never seen CRTs for sale anywhere else in my area except V.V. I actually bought a really nice NEC MultiSync XV15 monitor from June 1995 at Value Village for just a few dollars a few months ago. I use it on my Gateway 2000 P5-133 XL. The monitor you got looks magnificent and I never knew a CRT could natively support such a high resolution!
Have something with a very similar spec by dell, if only because the black chassis fits in more with my modern setup. And fit in well it does, the colours are still outstanding today and at such high resolutions the image looks looks like a high quality print. Great for games where input lag is something you need to worry about, or for watching old 4:3 TV shows the way they were meant to be watched.
I’m going to be getting my first CRT monitor today. A 17inch, triad mask, Hyundai Imagequest Q770 Flatscreen. I’m super hyped for it, even though it’s probably not the best monitor. I just think it would be hard to mess it up so badly that it looks worse than my LCD for 640x480 video, the one thing I want it for. I eventually plan to collect many of these things, but this is a good start as I’m getting this one for free along with most of the components I’d need to built a 286 from my Dad’s coworkers, as his company is finally upgrading the PC that they’ve been using for some super important company stuff for nearly 40 years. The monitor isn’t as old as the PC, and should be in pretty good condition.
I got a HP p1230 21" CRT last year. Drove about three hours to pick it up from the owner of a small engineering company. That monitor is fucking insane, I tell you. I can run that beast at 1024x768@160Hz for CS:GO and at 1440x1080@120Hz for desktop use. I really prefer the CRT over my Zowie 144Hz monitor for older games and fast paced FPS like Quake because a) the colors are much better and b) I can run lower resolution to keep my framerate high without sacrificing image quality (upscaling makes the image blurry on LCDs). It's 70 fucking pounds and functions as a small heater in winter but I love it. €10 (gas money not included ;)) was absolutely worth it.
you got me back to my childhood and the feeling i had first time i bought my own computer.... thanks dude, love it
I'm watching this on a LG FLATRON ez T730SH 17" CRT monitor, and it has similar specs to the one you're showing, and damn this thing is amazing. I only didn't like the maximum res of 1280x1024, since it's 5:4, which makes things stretched in the 4:3 screen (don't know why they would make that one of the "native" driver resolutions). But luckily, I was able to overclock it to support 1080p (1440x1080 actually), at 60hz still, but it isn't so bad. It also has built in rescaling for 16:9 resolutions (1280x720 is native, with letterboxing and all), so modern games with no 4:3 support aren't bad on it.
The best thing about it though, is the support for very low resolutions without blurring the image. I can even do 320x240 on it (albeit at 120Hz, since the minimum is 31Khz horizontal refresh), with thick black scanlines, like a CRT TV. Using emulators that are able to scale the image of the game, makes it possible to play retro console games with pixel perfect 240p resolution, round pixels, sharp and bright like they're meant to be, without any filtering! There are ways to avoid the blur created by playing 60FPS content on a 120Hz res, but it's not bothersome, and in fact lowers the input lag. For an even sharper image with real scanlines, it's also possible to create a "super resolution", like 1280x240, or even 3840x240, where the giant width (when scaled correctly to fullscreen) makes the image so sharp, that it rivals the look of a PVM or BVM. CRTs are great!
Also, some time ago I saw your comment on RGB Rob's channel, and thought it was great you were a CRT appreciator, so it's good to see you finally showcasing the greatness of one in full, on your channel!
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Wow man you have incredibly good taste for 90s gaming. I had the exact same games in my desktop back in the day (including jazz jackrabbit)
I actually preferred my Viewsonic CRT's over the LCD's when they first started coming out. It wasn't that long ago that good low latency wide view angle LCDs were even able to compete with CRT's...
Buying one is a bit rough tho... 8 years ago I couldn't give mine away. I ended up leaving them at work to get assimilated.
- Eddy
Man the screens of this time period that you have here, they really were awesome. We are the people that have watched this all turn from amazing to unbelievable, to stunning. In the future the people will see incredible things for sure. The things you put on your channel remind all of us of times that we were younger and didn't realize how something like this would someday be gone. These monitors were really something cool back in the day, and honestly seeing this today. I have to say they stand up to the test of time, sure a lot bigger but we all seemed to get by just the same. Thank you for always posting stuff that just makes nerds heads explode.
I always loved crt's. They have so much real colors
Funnily enough, my first flat panel was a ViewSonic of roughly the same era. I was so happy to leave CRTs behind. But now, like you, I enjoy bathing in the warm nostalgic glow of a tube monitor.
Hey Clint, want to know a trick? In the 3D maze screensaver that you had going at the end (I love it too btw) you can make it higher resolution by taking it off fullscreen mode and putting the resolution bar all the way up. It looks awesome even if there's a slight black border.
This is so awesome! Please make more videos like this. I really enjoy watching videos about old games, windows, pc parts...
Keep doing this because I think it's great! :D
I hate 1280x1024. That resolution has always bugged the hell out of me. I don't know who came up with that resolution and why it caught on, but it's NOT 4:3, LCD monitors with that as their native resolution where a weird almost square shape, and if you use it on a proper 4:3 monitor you'll have non-square pixels and distorted proportions. The correct 4:3 version would be 1280x960... Spread the word :)
John Tsiombikas i was about to say the same thing 😂
John Tsiombikas it's 5:4
It's 5:4 res
I just recently started on art for a Dungeon Master-like game, with a proper 1280x960 resolution. The game will feature hand-drawn art.
John Tsiombikas play csgo on that lol
Awesome video. I haven’t opened a new crt since 2000. Brings back memories.
I've had a couple of these monitors, they were wonderful...
That is, until one blew a display tube and almost caught fire (damned leaky roof-no I was unaware that it was leaking into my monitor).
The other one I had got stolen. Of course, I was away when this happened so I never knew until long after I had gotten back and realized something was amiss.
I guess the thief who took it realized the quality of CRTs.
i dont feel as comfortable and cozy watching any channel as i do watching yours. please keep making these videos. amazing!
Would'nt be a Lazy Game Review if Clint didn't smell the product to ensure it's freshness!
Also, probably shows my age that I haven't seen a screen degaussed since I was 3. Love this stuff
You don't typically do this, but I love that you do it anyways. Man I love this freaking Channel!! Who's with me on this??
Those sonys way a freaking TON. my grandmother had one for her old 95 machine, and when she got a dell back in 01 or 02, we moved it upstairs to where she put it.... Dear God, never again T_T That being said, I miss it.
DJNUMA What happened to that machine anyway? Was it done for, did you sell it, etc?
I just love that you SMELL all of the things. I do the same. It's a huge nostalgia bomb, the smell of something NEW-OLD is just inexplicable.
happy wednesday my dudes
I had that exact monitor back in the day. Loved it! Viewsonic made some really nice monitors back then and the Optiquest line was among them. Hope you enjoy it!
Where did you get that from?
Thanks for the tip on Gateway monitors! I always figured they were subpar, but the Sony tube inside shows. I just picked up a 19" one - the picture is amazing!
I fucking love CRTs. Dug out an old Dell 19" 1600x1200 75Hz one that still works like a champ. Thing is gorgeous. The motion blur reduction over a 60hz TN panel is just unbelievable. Contrast ratio and black levels that make OLED nervous. And the sharpest sub HD images you'll ever see.
My only problem is on the video card end. Nvidia stopped providing analog out with Pascal and now I am forced to use a converter to get proper VGA output. My HDMI to VGA adapter sucks and occasionally blanks out once in awhile. Can anyone provide a link to a good active converter that will do the job?
Tbh, I've had luck with a lot of the cheap little things on Amazon--but shipping them outside of America might get difficult depending on where you live, but realistically speaking, these are all probably made by the same cheapo Chinese manufacturer anyway, so it probably doesn't matter what you get. I think DisplayPort tends to be a bit cheaper if your card supports that.
www.amazon.com/VicTsing-Gold-plated-DisplayPort-Adapter-Converter/dp/B06VWCB587/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1502648195&sr=1-4&keywords=displayport+to+vga
Late reply. You could try looking around for any hd fury adapters, but they recently stopped making analog stuff. You may be able to find them used. They are really good, a tad pricey for lower end models. I got 2 nanos and they do the job very nicely.
You still using that monitor?
@@dillfish0528 sure am. I found a decent DisplayPort to VGA adapter that doesn't blank out at all. It's from Startech. I run the old Dell at a custom 1920x1440 60hz alongside my Asus XG279Q a 2560x1440 144hz screen. Best of both worlds. CRT for retro and locked 60 fps content, LCD for modern HD variable fps content. I don't think anything will truly replace the CRT for years to come.
@@darkl3ad3r thats awesome man glad you havent trashed it
6:04 oh man, you waving your hand in front really brings back memories. No idea why, or what memories, it just do.
$79 for a new crt Would be a steal with todays crt prices lol
I had one of these! Well, not this same model, but a similar 17" Viewsonic. I carried mine to LAN parties every Friday night, can you believe it? Heavy sucker. Thanks for doing these videos. They're comfort food to me.
21" Trinitrons are not so hard to find where I live, I even bought one not too long ago, but getting it up the stairs was really painful. Mine goes up to 1920x1440, and can do 170Hz, at least at lower resolutions. Still, 1600x1200 at 100Hz is not bad at all.
For me, 19'' CRT was enough, also 85 Hz was enough. That thing 1600x1200 100Hz at 21'''was maximum reasonable on CRT, and you paid a lot for it (price, weight , electricty bill). That's why for me, best middle was 19'' and 1280x960 at 85 Hz. It was enough.
Show off!!
its dry in cali lol
Excellent video, I almost forget how rich and juicy colour was on CRT monitors; especially in the dark!
I use to have an awesome Sony Trinitron. Had the nice square flat screen man I miss t.
Same, both 15" (trinitron) and 17" (trinitron flat; G200 iirc) versions. The latter costed around $350 in my country back in the day. Having to switch over to an LCD screen many years later felt like a downgrade in some aspects.
took me years to get a lcd with a good refresh rate my old 19" had 120
Call me insane but I still use an old Sony CRT monitor.We bought it in 2004 I think when I was in high school for our old PC and I took it when I moved out.Last year I bought my brand new PC but not a new monitor.Am I the only one who just finds they look better?
@ The Mad Marxist No I don't think you're crazy if you're comparing to TN LCD panels--I've yet to see one that can hold a candle to my tubes.
However, IPS panels, while a bit more expensive, can actually look almost as good depending upon the calibration--they're usually not as good for games though because, while in 'monitor sizes' (20-30 inches), the latency is usually good enough (roughly around 30 ms or less), at TV sizes (32 inches and up), the latency can get out of control. The black level is also always going to be worse than a properly calibrated CRT.
Hopefully OLED can get that latency (and price) down, because it has the color _and_ the deep blacks. They're just too expensive right now though and don't come in monitor sizes yet.
+Licentious Howler
Thanks for the info,man.Still I don't think I'll ever change my tube unless it dies suddenly.And if it does I'll still buy another one for like $10,they're really,really cheap here in Eastern Europe.
I think that the picture quality in that game is superb! Great thing that CRT you got there.
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I had the same in 19', great monitor, I kept it years and years and years...loved the sound of the tube under charge when turning it on... THUUUND
A neighbor gave me a giant CRT a few months ago; I still don't know what to do with it haha.
Compared to a TN type LCD, it will have a lot better contrast.
If it's really large, I'd use it for watching videos on your PC.
Just be sure to set the color mode to sRGB or something similar.
Always takes me back a few years. Another great job
i hate how 2001 was 16 years ago
Now it's 19 years ago, growing older sucks
@@newplayer1082 now 20 years ago
@@theforerunnerreclaimer Damn, I was a child back in 2001. Now I feel old.
@@newplayer1082 lol I think we all do
@@theforerunnerreclaimer True
Wow, the colors really pop on that CRT Nice...very cool. This channel is awesome!!
Lgr: *adjusts refresh rate* ah so much better
Us: AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
Loved that monitor! Got one for a birthday gift back in the day!
I just watched 16K gaming setup on linus and now this, lol i love youtube
Man, this brings back memories. One of the first PCs I built back in the day, I bought this exact same model new. It was a great monitor, just eventually lost out to desk space.
This CRT looks really good. If we have to get CRTs in our school, at least it should be these. Those old shits are destroying my eyes
Overclock them, if they can't reach an high frequency use an high interlaced frequency. Scan lines will be imperceptible and the refresh rate will be very good
why would you get CRTs in your school?
Computers with CRTs in your school? Good God, in what lousy corner of the world do you live?
And I thought my school was bad...
I have a 21 inch version of this, HUUUUUUGEEEE! It takes up so much room but I just can't throw it away. You make me want to bring it out again, LGR. D:
75 hertz? wasnt the standard refresh rate 85 for 1024x768???? at least i remmember my sammy being that
for CRTs that can run at a maximum horizontal frequency of around 70 KHz, the maximum is 87 to 88 hz at 1024x768, where 85 hz is 68.6 KHz. 75hz at that resolution equals almost exactly 60KHz.
Great stuff. Nice to see a new CRT display unboxing in 2017...that is something you certainly do not see every day ;) It's funny that you mentioned the Sony Trinitron displays as I came across a Multiscan G520 on Craigslist about a year ago and picked it up for $60. Oddly enough it was the *only* CRT display available in my area on CL at the time. It is a monster heavy beast of a display and has that stupid anti-glare covering glued on that scratches every time you wipe it. I have been planning on removing that one day. Otherwise, it is one hell of a display. You should hunt one down and get three guys to carry it home for you ;)
I still have my 21" viewsonic crt monitor. Also have a still sealed in box Compaq crt monitor.
+SuperBee4406 - I'm jealous. Mine died five years ago, after 12 years of faithful service.
Oh man, I remember seeing those at school. Definitely agree viewsonic making excellent tubes. I found a G810-2 years ago at a garage sale. Had an awesome picture with a 21 inch screen. It's now referred as sparky because it zaps itself every several minutess. One day it will probably kill itself...As always, good video.
higher rez than my laptop
brutal.
All right I draw the mother f*cking line there XD
Same, I prefer my old Dell CRT from 2003 that is sooooo much better than my 1366x768 laptop display
Each video I see from you pushes me further to the wish of making a retro build. Also, that's quite the sharp monitor.
I love CRTs but I can never tell how much is nostalgia goggles or not. I know that games back in the nes/snes days were literally designed with scanlines in mind and look better. (Seriously, the games were NOT supposed to be pixel sharp. There are literally TONS of games where the graphics lose all definition WITHOUT the scanlines because they used them for shading and stuff. This is partially why old-school ACTUAL 8-bit games can look so terrible in HD. Ironically, 4k HD, or higher, would actually be THE BEST _BESIDES_ really low res monitors for viewing retro games because at that resolution you could accurately mimic the scanlines AND the way the color bled between them, with shaders. IF you see it it's GLORIOUS and you'll never want to play without scanlines OR with scanlines that are clear/black/clear/black again. GOTTA HAVE THAT BLEEDING). ... Did I just trump this and not finish a single thought? Who knows‽
LanIost it's not just nostalgia. They really are good. Also good point, thanks
You've just inspired me to buy a N.O.S CRT too! Very rare to find but have found a nice Compaq V570 15" capable of 1280x1024 - in that very iconic silver / black scheme they did around the HP takeover. Nice!
Holy crap son! Youre at 666k subs...maybe time for some demonic games?
gmod probably
I remember seeing these monitors in the early 2000s at all of the Eyemasters stores in the malls.
LGR is the only person to smell a power cord...
**drinks yolk so hard that my body fills up with yolk**
*Clint
Dude, I've passed many, many, maaaany years trying to remember that game's title. Thank you very much! Jazz the Jackrabbit. I still can't believe I finally found it.
Weird how laptops today have a 1366x768 resolution when something from 2001 supports 1280x1024.
well sh*t. i need windows 98 now.
EDIT: i also noticed the channel has 666k subs.
well double sh*t. the devil has returned.
I have a laptop from 2000 that had a 1600x1200 panel. IBM ThinkPad A21p
There were 1600x1200s & apparently even 2048x1536 displays even earlier. I would suppose if video cards supported them there must have been some kinda super high-end screens that actually ran it. lol
Larger screens support higher resolutions, generally. Also the refresh rate at 1024p would be too low to use the monitor comfortably, with CRTs one wants 100Hz or higher.
The switch to 16:9 resolutions screwed everything up. Not that 1280x1024 is 4:3 (it's 5:4), but it's closer, at least.
Honestly, I would've found 1280x1024 cramped even back in 2001. I was running my 19" CRT monitor at 1600x1200 by 1998 at the latest.
My Asus generic laptop goes up to high resolutions just dandy fine, it's actually a bit of a PITA because most images i find, and need, are below that resolution, which makes them tiny.
Cool video. Thanks for sharing. I used to have a 21" HP CRT. It was awesome! Love CRTs too.
Just a simple CRT monitor, cool.
Yasssss so many fond memories!! I used to have a 17" Viewsonic CRT monitor back in 98. Netscape Navigator 4.x and Red Hat Linux 5.1 Manhattan.. those were the days!!!