Haha. Regardless what’s in this video, I think it’s easy to underestimate many guitarist/bassists in the industry. But you’ve got to think about how much experience they have playing countless times in the studio and not to mention the ridiculous amount of shows they’ve played. Even someone like Pete has likely played way more bass than the vast majority of players out there.
@@Link-ji7kx been playing for over 20 years, its been said he doesnt play in the studio, the producer or the two guitar players do it, and he has the same amount of experience as someone playing for a year
@@jessebatdorff2221eh, probably better than someone playing a year. Haha. Now, I’ve always kinda hated FOB, but I will say in his defense, as far as I’m aware he is the main creative behind the band. I’m pretty sure he writes most of the lyrics and a lot of the main strong structures, and also produces much of their stuff. There’s honestly a ton of really good song writers/producers that are actually pretty shit at playing any musical instruments(technical skill wise), but I don’t think it really matters. I’d always pick being a great song writer over being super technically proficient on an instrument. Also, 99% of the audience does not give two shits if Pete Wentz is actually a good bass player. As long as it doesn’t take away from the show, his stage presence and performance is probably way way more important. I don’t know how many bands I’ve seen that are insanely talented musicians, but so overwhelmingly boring to watch live. I remember seeing Coheed and Cambria back in like 2014 at a fest my band was playing at. So we got to watch from side stage and see everything up close, and they were all pretty spotless as far as playing the songs, but my god was it one of the most boring performances of the night. They barely moved at all, and had almost zero stage presence. Their singer/guitarist(Claudio?), literally just stayed planted in front of the mic stand, and the only “performance” he did was to play the guitar behind his back. Granted I’m not a huge fan of their music either, but I’d rather watch someone like Pete and FOB doing their antics, than be bored to death by a band that is super technically proficient, but as lifeless as a dead fish.
Depends on the band. Green day had hard bass lines from 90' - like 04' and blink bass lines are always simple until their not. Look at dysentary gary and feeling this
@@miguel_le_great8321 Thanks, I was gonna bring up green day. I wouldnt call Dirnt's basslines hard, but he certainly knew how to write really cool and catchy basslines playing around the root notes (usually). And yeah I've always said the moment GD's bass lines became boring coincides with the band starting to suck....
This isnt about songs that are recorded and in the studio, why do people comment this? You can hire session musicians or a different band member can do the recording or any other manner of alternatives. This is about the bassist in question performing his lines.
@@ridleyroid9060 I saw them live during the Era, my boy. I'm not even saying he was good, but he did in fact 'write' and perform those bass lines at the time and I like some of them. Don't think so hard about it.
@@ridleyroid9060They definitely weren't having session musicians play on their first album because that would have been way too expensive for them at the time. Dude got famous and stopped caring about his bass playing.
@@blueprint4366 There ya go. Dudes acting like they weren't touring in a 90s model utility van up until the moment they found commercial success with From Under the Cork Tree lol.
@@ridleyroid9060 Some clips of pete being competent can be found during performances of "grenade jumper" in which there is a little bass riff that for fall out boy LIVE standards is actually decent and makes me question his ability. apparently he's a good player in the studio maybe he just chooses to play like shit
That acceptably would be BASSic(as in foundation) keeping a simple solid to support other structures ie: rythms and melodies held up by percussives and BASSic Foundation. If it fits the music...I'm cool with it!!
Songs demand more than this… I don’t agree with the idea that if it’s the most simple bass line ever that that is what it needs to be. Most songs and composition demand more than just root notes from the bass.
@@jburdsinfuse Riding meat is not a defense. Anyone can be the face of a brand with massive amounts of money injected into it. Case in point, Pete Wentz. Now, get back to riding meat you little meat rider
Dudes from the hardcore scene and played in some respectable bands! He's a rhythm guitar style bassist! He's no geddy lee or Matt Freeman, but he gets the job done and writes the lyrics as well!...by the way I'm not a fall out boy fan! Just a guy who sees the bass half full from both sides of the coin!
He played what the song needed. He may not be technically impressive but sometimes less is more. Plus he earned his stripes by being the band's main lyricist. And goddammit, I love their lyrics
@@paulwilson6342 each to their own... im not here to debate music taste... you can't question patrick stump's vocal chops my good sir... he has a voice that was heaven sent
Danny, you're a man that has integrity and a fucking backbone. You're a respectable man and a very skilled musician and you don't tolerate bullshit. That's why I watch your videos. I've only played the bass a handful of times but you are entertaining enough that it doesn't matter. Do you like Mike Watt?
They're one of my favorite bands of all time and it surprises me how all of them have evolved as musicians during all of their careers... Except for him. Not even blink 182's Tom and Mark have stalled like Pete on their skills. He has a talent for writing lyrics and pick band mates, I can say that much.
He's definitely playing a very simple bass line there, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's no good with the instrument. I have no particular love for Fallout Boy, but I'll withhold judgement until I've heard more than a single riff out of the dude.
He can do his job in the band, and that's all he needs. Plus, he writes better songs than anyone calling him useless and a poser can. He does the lyrics, and he talks for the band a lot. He's got a reason to be in the band. This is just coming from someone who knows an incredible amount about the band, maybe the people who have never heard a Fall out Boy song before are correct in judging their music from a 3 second clip of him playing. Idk.
2008, I saw a live vid of fallout boy on channel v and it wasn't mixed well. I shit you not, the bass was turned up and all you hear are muted clacks on the bass string, hihat and patrick star's voice.
One thing if you can't play when you start off, but at some point surely you must realise, "I'm a professional entertainer now. I should really take some lessons and/or practice my instrument a bit"(???) 😂
I went to high school from 2005-2009 so naturally I was obsessed with FOB, My Chemical Romance, and Panic at the Disco. Pete Wentz and Mikey Way are not great bass players, but they’re not in the type of band that needs one (though it would be nice if the bass was better in some MCR songs). Panic at the Disco did fire their first bassist to get a legit good one after their first album.
I wouldn’t be playing bass if it wasn’t for Pete Wentz, when I was 10 years old my dad got me his pro model squire and I still have it to this day. There are definitely some questionable, live performance videos, however. Love their music still but i really only listen to it for nostalgia
I literally dgaf. Fall Out Boy rules. Their shows those first few years were totally unreal. People who hate on Pete are just envious of his success. And he’s such a superb lyricist too.
Pete Wentz is a very good songwriter who I think just happened to fill in as the bassist because they couldn't find anybody else at the time and it just kind of stuck because he is such a good songwriter. He writes all of their complex lyrics and Patrick Stump handles most of the composition. That's why Fall Out Boy is such a good band despite none of their members being the best in any of their fields, although Patrick Stump is undoubtedly a phenomenal singer and stands out amongst male rock vocalists, he's arguably one of the better ones.
Pete Wentz is one the greatest lyricist in Emo/pop punk but let’s be honest, everyone knows Patrick stumps writes his bass parts 😂 but Fall out boy wouldn’t be who they are without him so who cares, still my favorite band
i love for musical meaning and expressive artistry, not technical craftsmanship or the people who hear only that part... that's what dilettantes in the guitar community do....you can get up on stage and suck (by your unartistic standards) with 100% conviction and actually say something more important than "look how great they play"/"look how bad they suck"...music is not about showing off, it can say so much more if you know how to listen. you really don't get it, or at least you don't exhibit anything that resembles something artist-like.
Already knew how to play guitar. Picked out N.I.B. by Black Sabbath my first time on bass. But it took years learning to play with my fingers and slap.
Pete wintz is a musical genius, literally writes all the lyrics and bass lines to every fall out boy song. Selling millions of records over serval albums
The bass lines to dance dance, thanks for the memories, centuries, uma thurman and sugar we're going down all slap really hard. Most of his lines do. Whether he plays or not it still is pretty good. Some of us can maybe agree but some cant which is cool.
We need to stop to try and find arguments to justify why we are not successful. Music is awesome because the freedom to express yourself in different ways, I don’t think music should be based on “oh this guys or band is better than this one” or “wow what a complex and difficult riff they’re doing”. He is on tune, he plays right, he is a writer, and his presence works well with the band. And people feel great listening theirs songs.
So we really don’t need to be mad because “ he plays like a beginner”. If he is doing this, and works for he and his band… who cares? I understand that your content have a lot of irony but maybe the people who watch don’t catch that, especially the ones who don’t like this type of music.
We knew the answer to this 20 years ago. You don't have to be a virtuoso bassist but it baffles me that someone would be in a successful band for a couple of decades and have zero curiosity about his instrument or show any willingness to improve at it.
I love Fall Out Boy but bass is definitely not the main attraction for them. In most of their songs the bass is there to keep the beat and fill out the sound, it's not doing anything fancy. But that's ok, the songs are great without it. Pete plays what he needs to and even if his playing might not be anything special, he's also their front man and lyricist and he's phenomenal at those jobs.
He gets a pass, he writes all his band’s songs. There is a difference between a writer and a player. Players play to be good, writers play to support their song. You can be both, but you do have to be.
so apparently, he can't
Haha. Regardless what’s in this video, I think it’s easy to underestimate many guitarist/bassists in the industry. But you’ve got to think about how much experience they have playing countless times in the studio and not to mention the ridiculous amount of shows they’ve played. Even someone like Pete has likely played way more bass than the vast majority of players out there.
@@Link-ji7kx been playing for over 20 years, its been said he doesnt play in the studio, the producer or the two guitar players do it, and he has the same amount of experience as someone playing for a year
*skill
apparently simple basslines, but he can play
@@jessebatdorff2221eh, probably better than someone playing a year. Haha. Now, I’ve always kinda hated FOB, but I will say in his defense, as far as I’m aware he is the main creative behind the band.
I’m pretty sure he writes most of the lyrics and a lot of the main strong structures, and also produces much of their stuff. There’s honestly a ton of really good song writers/producers that are actually pretty shit at playing any musical instruments(technical skill wise), but I don’t think it really matters. I’d always pick being a great song writer over being super technically proficient on an instrument.
Also, 99% of the audience does not give two shits if Pete Wentz is actually a good bass player. As long as it doesn’t take away from the show, his stage presence and performance is probably way way more important. I don’t know how many bands I’ve seen that are insanely talented musicians, but so overwhelmingly boring to watch live. I remember seeing Coheed and Cambria back in like 2014 at a fest my band was playing at. So we got to watch from side stage and see everything up close, and they were all pretty spotless as far as playing the songs, but my god was it one of the most boring performances of the night. They barely moved at all, and had almost zero stage presence. Their singer/guitarist(Claudio?), literally just stayed planted in front of the mic stand, and the only “performance” he did was to play the guitar behind his back. Granted I’m not a huge fan of their music either, but I’d rather watch someone like Pete and FOB doing their antics, than be bored to death by a band that is super technically proficient, but as lifeless as a dead fish.
He’s the lyricist and cover boy, that’s his main contribution. If they wanted a bass player they could easily get one
You know the band is shit when the bass player is the main creative force.
@@OK-rx3xllooking at you Primus and Motorhead. You too, Sting. Oh and you too Beatles, well sort of.
He's made a good living playing the root. Yeah it's incredibly rudimentary but he's made more playing bass than I have.
@@OK-rx3xlSo many bass players write their band's songs. Nikki Sixx is a derf and is not a virtuoso on bass, but he wrote many great songs.
@@OK-rx3xl he’s not? Do you know anything about fall out boy
Is anyone really surprised that a pop-punk bassist just played root notes? Seems about right to me
Depends on the band. Green day had hard bass lines from 90' - like 04' and blink bass lines are always simple until their not. Look at dysentary gary and feeling this
@@miguel_le_great8321 Dont forget Rancid!
Mike dirnt is still incredible@@miguel_le_great8321
@@miguel_le_great8321 Thanks, I was gonna bring up green day. I wouldnt call Dirnt's basslines hard, but he certainly knew how to write really cool and catchy basslines playing around the root notes (usually). And yeah I've always said the moment GD's bass lines became boring coincides with the band starting to suck....
Dance Dance had a good bass line to be fair.
rumors say that he did not record that
Patrick recorded that
I love this bassline. Patrick wrote it
Too bad he didn’t write that bass line. He paid someone fat stacks of cash for it. You know, capitalism.
he paid his guitarist for it?@@omarloera86
One day I’ll see AIC’s behs tone, one day.
Specifically the unplugged set
Mike Starr is the man! 🎸
Did he not do it ?
@@Dr.ZoidbergPhDfriends don’t let friends get friends haircuts
He can’t figure it out
Idk, 'Take This To Your Grave' had some pretty dope bass lines on it. Maybe the answer is "He did at one point."
This isnt about songs that are recorded and in the studio, why do people comment this? You can hire session musicians or a different band member can do the recording or any other manner of alternatives.
This is about the bassist in question performing his lines.
@@ridleyroid9060 I saw them live during the Era, my boy. I'm not even saying he was good, but he did in fact 'write' and perform those bass lines at the time and I like some of them. Don't think so hard about it.
@@ridleyroid9060They definitely weren't having session musicians play on their first album because that would have been way too expensive for them at the time. Dude got famous and stopped caring about his bass playing.
@@blueprint4366 There ya go. Dudes acting like they weren't touring in a 90s model utility van up until the moment they found commercial success with From Under the Cork Tree lol.
@@ridleyroid9060 Some clips of pete being competent can be found during performances of "grenade jumper" in which there is a little bass riff that for fall out boy LIVE standards is actually decent and makes me question his ability. apparently he's a good player in the studio maybe he just chooses to play like shit
Does what the song demands. Nothing more, nothing less.
Emphasis on the "nothing more"
Bro did the bare minimum 😭
That acceptably would be BASSic(as in foundation) keeping a simple solid to support other structures ie: rythms and melodies held up by percussives and BASSic Foundation. If it fits the music...I'm cool with it!!
Songs demand more than this… I don’t agree with the idea that if it’s the most simple bass line ever that that is what it needs to be. Most songs and composition demand more than just root notes from the bass.
this is very true, but we're ragging on pete now so we'll pretend it isn't ;)
Waiting for Jo Bench (Bolt Thrower) and Shane Embrury (Napalm Death) bass tones
THIS
LETS FUCKING GOOOO
ALEX WEBSTER!!
Gain up to 11
For Shane Embury, use a big muff pi with sustain on full and tone at 12 o'clock
Dude can write a pop song…that’s the real trick
Yep
It's a formula
@@buckbreaker5185 what was the name of your multi-platinum band again?
@@jburdsinfuse Riding meat is not a defense. Anyone can be the face of a brand with massive amounts of money injected into it. Case in point, Pete Wentz. Now, get back to riding meat you little meat rider
@@jburdsinfuse meatriding is not an argument
As long as you have a good tone and play in time, then you can play bass
The prechorus to Calm Before the Storm is probably his best line.
Dudes from the hardcore scene and played in some respectable bands! He's a rhythm guitar style bassist! He's no geddy lee or Matt Freeman, but he gets the job done and writes the lyrics as well!...by the way I'm not a fall out boy fan! Just a guy who sees the bass half full from both sides of the coin!
I watched them get booed off the stage in 2008 in Tempe opening up for blink 182
Bass player was mad 😂😂😂😂
You're full of shit cuz no one got booed off. Weezer fans were pissed that they didn't show and FOB filled in. They still played just fine.
Well he's doing better in life than me. So he did something right.
He played what the song needed. He may not be technically impressive but sometimes less is more. Plus he earned his stripes by being the band's main lyricist. And goddammit, I love their lyrics
So in other words he can't play.
Their lyrics are bloody amazing, especially when they were still a rock band
What band even is it
@@valentimpereira4980 They sucked. You call fall out boy a rock band?
@@paulwilson6342 each to their own... im not here to debate music taste... you can't question patrick stump's vocal chops my good sir... he has a voice that was heaven sent
Lets do Chris Wolstenholme next please.
Day 1
For the bass tone I’m guessing. The guy can definitely play bass
I think hes doin Paul Gray (Slipknot) next
Your posts are great Mr Sapko. Funky, informative and funny.
Geddy Lee is quaking in his boots
Wow, that clip was certainly something resembling a bass player.
it sounds better than me on tuba 😂
Don't sell yourself short.
Has flamethrower bass:
Rammstein: Pathetic
Matt Freeman and Mike Dirnt behs!
The last bass line in this video was bloody awesome!
Peter hook bass tone!
Like Sid Vicious, he's there to talk to the ladies.
Sure, he’s no virtuoso but he’s a fantastic lyricist and he wrote the bass lick from Dance Dance so as far as I’m concerned he gets a pass
I like the tone he's got in this clip.
that brings an unforeseen meaning to raw dogging the bass
Danny, you're a man that has integrity and a fucking backbone. You're a respectable man and a very skilled musician and you don't tolerate bullshit. That's why I watch your videos. I've only played the bass a handful of times but you are entertaining enough that it doesn't matter. Do you like Mike Watt?
Day 15 John Wetton Behs tone
Please!
Asia!
Seems all good to me. I've always enjoyed their bass work. Seeing the showmanship with the karate and flamethrower shit sweetens it up for me.
Funny mate, you're a natural comic. 😂
Once again I am asking for Paul Barker’s bass tone
Ministry truly became Ministry when he joined
Bro pulled a Rammstein move with the fire
Do if Tom Araya of slayer can play bass
This!
Cliff Williams from ACDC damnit.
Even though I know he can 😈🤘🏻
They're one of my favorite bands of all time and it surprises me how all of them have evolved as musicians during all of their careers... Except for him. Not even blink 182's Tom and Mark have stalled like Pete on their skills. He has a talent for writing lyrics and pick band mates, I can say that much.
Guigsy. Oasis. BEHS. Tone.
Try the early demos something like See the Sun, that's where the bass shines through.
also coda of all around the world gmex, he really started to improve by the be here now tour
*Day 82* of asking for John Paul Jones’ bass tone
*COME ON FELLOW LED ZEPPELIN FANS*
He's definitely playing a very simple bass line there, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's no good with the instrument. I have no particular love for Fallout Boy, but I'll withhold judgement until I've heard more than a single riff out of the dude.
I don’t remember who said it but there is a saying that “the most difficult basslines are the most simple parts of the song”
He can do his job in the band, and that's all he needs. Plus, he writes better songs than anyone calling him useless and a poser can. He does the lyrics, and he talks for the band a lot. He's got a reason to be in the band. This is just coming from someone who knows an incredible amount about the band, maybe the people who have never heard a Fall out Boy song before are correct in judging their music from a 3 second clip of him playing. Idk.
2008, I saw a live vid of fallout boy on channel v and it wasn't mixed well. I shit you not, the bass was turned up and all you hear are muted clacks on the bass string, hihat and patrick star's voice.
Gotta do Mikey Way!
He plays bass as well as I play piano! I can’t play piano.
Comment 31 asking for Flea’s bass tone in Higher Ground!
Also I really do love Dance Dance’s bassline (plus the drums and its music video)
While he may not be a great bassist.... he has a phenomenal eye for talent
One thing if you can't play when you start off, but at some point surely you must realise, "I'm a professional entertainer now. I should really take some lessons and/or practice my instrument a bit"(???) 😂
Or conversely he was like "I'm a professional entertainer now! I don't need to take lessons or practice anymore!"
I went to high school from 2005-2009 so naturally I was obsessed with FOB, My Chemical Romance, and Panic at the Disco. Pete Wentz and Mikey Way are not great bass players, but they’re not in the type of band that needs one (though it would be nice if the bass was better in some MCR songs). Panic at the Disco did fire their first bassist to get a legit good one after their first album.
Can you do 'Can Mikey Way Play BEHS!' ?
Im here for all the KISS references!!
I've been into like every rock band. You can like Fallout Boy AND Motorhead. Crazy I know.
I wouldn’t be playing bass if it wasn’t for Pete Wentz, when I was 10 years old my dad got me his pro model squire and I still have it to this day. There are definitely some questionable, live performance videos, however. Love their music still but i really only listen to it for nostalgia
I know les claypool will never feature on these shorts
Sounds like me after a couple of months without playing.
My opinion is that he can. Fall Out Boy is a pop PUNK band so their work is likely not very complex. From what I remember his work fits the song
That is a beautiful guitar you had/ have
I literally dgaf. Fall Out Boy rules. Their shows those first few years were totally unreal. People who hate on Pete are just envious of his success. And he’s such a superb lyricist too.
"Twink Wentz" is absolutely hilarious.
pete sounds me went i play bass… played once…
Pete Wentz is a very good songwriter who I think just happened to fill in as the bassist because they couldn't find anybody else at the time and it just kind of stuck because he is such a good songwriter.
He writes all of their complex lyrics and Patrick Stump handles most of the composition.
That's why Fall Out Boy is such a good band despite none of their members being the best in any of their fields, although Patrick Stump is undoubtedly a phenomenal singer and stands out amongst male rock vocalists, he's arguably one of the better ones.
Pete Wentz is one the greatest lyricist in Emo/pop punk but let’s be honest, everyone knows Patrick stumps writes his bass parts 😂 but Fall out boy wouldn’t be who they are without him so who cares, still my favorite band
I love Fallout Boy! New Vegas is my favourite!
ALICE IN CHAINS MIKE STARR BEHS TONE ⛓️⛓️⛓️
i love for musical meaning and expressive artistry, not technical craftsmanship or the people who hear only that part... that's what dilettantes in the guitar community do....you can get up on stage and suck (by your unartistic standards) with 100% conviction and actually say something more important than "look how great they play"/"look how bad they suck"...music is not about showing off, it can say so much more if you know how to listen. you really don't get it, or at least you don't exhibit anything that resembles something artist-like.
Already knew how to play guitar. Picked out N.I.B. by Black Sabbath my first time on bass. But it took years learning to play with my fingers and slap.
Pete wintz is a musical genius, literally writes all the lyrics and bass lines to every fall out boy song. Selling millions of records over serval albums
The bass lines to dance dance, thanks for the memories, centuries, uma thurman and sugar we're going down all slap really hard. Most of his lines do. Whether he plays or not it still is pretty good. Some of us can maybe agree but some cant which is cool.
Little Danny looks so similar to him now it’s uncanny
Day 107 of asking for Stu Cook from Creedence Clearwater Revivals behs tone
Day 103 of asking for John Paul Jones behs tone.
We need to stop to try and find arguments to justify why we are not successful. Music is awesome because the freedom to express yourself in different ways, I don’t think music should be based on “oh this guys or band is better than this one” or “wow what a complex and difficult riff they’re doing”. He is on tune, he plays right, he is a writer, and his presence works well with the band. And people feel great listening theirs songs.
So we really don’t need to be mad because “ he plays like a beginner”. If he is doing this, and works for he and his band… who cares? I understand that your content have a lot of irony but maybe the people who watch don’t catch that, especially the ones who don’t like this type of music.
Holy shit I had the flu. The one time I miss some uploads he finally did it
Nice ,he shoots flames out of his guitar...ace frehley did it 50 years ago
We knew the answer to this 20 years ago. You don't have to be a virtuoso bassist but it baffles me that someone would be in a successful band for a couple of decades and have zero curiosity about his instrument or show any willingness to improve at it.
Cool badges!
Double behs in a short. We're spoiled.
Do a video on Keanu Reeves’s bass tone! Yes, he plays behs because he is a legend
kim deal you gotta do kim deal
Gene Simmons can play bass, he's super underrated.
Kiss is also
Super gimmicky and cringe imo and thats where the hate comes from not so much his chops
Pete Wentz used to play in Arma Angelus and a grindcore/metalcore band Racetraiter. I’m guessing the guy just doesn’t care anymore.
Sutcliffe-Vicious-Sixx-Wentz, pretty boys who can't play so good😮
Nice Motörhead shirt.
You should review Mark Hoppus
There’s a difference between being a good composer than a good instrument player
Day 99 of asking for Flea’s Behs tone.
you're hilarious!!!
Can Danny sapko Actually show he's hats?
Day 29 of asking for Paul McCartney rickinbacker bass tone
Day 16 of asking for Tom Peterson bass tone (Cheap Trick)
Still asking for Gene Simmons Behs tone video… I wanna see you get that Low end aggression!
I have picked up a bass once in my life and I don't know anything about them and yet I still feel i could do better
Pete Wentz doing everything BUT play his bass 😭🙏
Nice Wolfgang, Danny!
Love u Danny
Ɓehs!🤟
I love Fall Out Boy but bass is definitely not the main attraction for them. In most of their songs the bass is there to keep the beat and fill out the sound, it's not doing anything fancy. But that's ok, the songs are great without it. Pete plays what he needs to and even if his playing might not be anything special, he's also their front man and lyricist and he's phenomenal at those jobs.
Frank Zappa
APOSTROPHE
Get the Tone!!
Mr.Danny I respectfully request you cover Rudy Sarzo.Thank you for your time and consideration. Jim Looks Twice
he's mainly the lyricist, to be fair
Ba-latio was right there. Also, yall dont pretend you don't know every word to Sugar, We're Going Down.
Day 102 of asking for Nikki Sixx’s Behs Tone, I thought this was gonna be a record until I saw the fat Mike video, ah well
He gets a pass, he writes all his band’s songs. There is a difference between a writer and a player. Players play to be good, writers play to support their song. You can be both, but you do have to be.