I didn't know what that was until I googled it and saw a pic of a flip flop. Told me all I needed to know. The matrons from my mother's Slavic side were precision, long range, heel throwers. They'll poke your eye out then order you to put it back.
If you are a true believer in dinosaurs as its called it should be easy to visualize species of Tyrannosaurus living in Mexico because of the America / Mexico split, as its called in these studies. Its supposed to be a time when America and Mexico split from Pangea. That would mean tyrannosaurs in Mexico, no doubt.
Quick question, according to the San Diego Natural History Museum there are remains of Gorgosaurus/Albertosaurus discovered in Baja California. Are these related to Labocania? Also I would love to see a video about Aletopelta, an Ankylosaur/Nodosaur that may have lived alongside Labocania
If more complete fossils of L. anomala and L. aguillonae are discovered, it might reveal enough differences to warrant reclassifying L. aguillonae as a new genus descended from L. anomala.
Would the drug cartels be another reason why we don’t have as many paleontological discoveries from Mexico? I assume that the cartels would make things difficult for anyone even paleontologist.
An important note to keep in mind is that, as he already mentioned in that other video (and even this video), Labocania is not a new species of dinosaur new to science this year. It's just that the second species of Labocania, L. aguillonae, was new to science quite recently this year. Also, as stated in the video, the classification of Labocania is, until now, still unclear, due to how fragmentary both species' material are. But, until more complete remains could solve the mystery, for the mean time, I think that it's time to consider that Labocania is a tyrannosaurid, placed most closely to Bistahieversor and that unnamed Aguja Formation tyrannosaurid. What do you guys think?
Trex mex! Ha! I died! Also. Where do you find your art. I am subscribed to sever paleo channels and they all seem to get their paleo art from the same places, you have many pics that seem to be from under represented artists or from a different pool than most. Its refreshing
I find art from all over the web. Twitter, insta, deviantart, artstation. I try to do my best in crediting everything and everyone but sometimes I forget or overlook a piece.
I'll bet another reason we haven't found much dinosaur life in Mexico is because the country was the first to be absolutly blasted by the ejecta cloud when the asteroid struck.
About that... Most dinosaurs, if not all that have been found in Mexico, my home country, are between 72 and 66 million years old, but I do agree that it is strange to find only certain types of dinosaurs such as Hadrosaurids. I've seen plenty of such fossils, including a relatively complete skeleton and skull of Velafrons coahuilensis.
The only reason why Mexico fossils is hard to get since the asteroid impact is in southern Mexican and nearby the vaporized zone during the impact since very little fossil records
On top of that Edmarka and Sauro are not subgebera. There would be absolutely no way to determine subgenera in fossil animals. Sauro is a valid genus. But if they were not, they'd be synonimized into the three valid Allo species.
In the NAT at San Diego they have Albertosaurus on display and claim it had teeth found at El Gallo or of an animal similar. Do you think those teeth just belonged to Labocania? They said it was larger and distinct
It's always interesting to wonder how much collection and preservation bias impact the fossil record. The west coast of Laramidia could very well have been as populated and amazing as the east, and we just haven't found the evidence. Maybe we never will.
@@thedoruk6324 You might be thinking of the first one that tried to split the Maastrichtian aged Hell Creek/Lance T. rex; there's a separate study regarding the Campanian aged Tyrannosaurus mcraeensis which is still valid. I think only Carr took issue with it stating it may be Maastrichtian in age, something, something individual variation. In regards to the controversial first study that got backlash, Tyrannosaurus imperator could potentially still be valid, albeit, for different reasons than it was originally described as, as there could be morphological differences based on stratigraphic position that could represent an anagenic taxon akin to the two Triceratops species.
I feel like paleontologists are giving this dinosaur an identity crisis over who and what it is and where it's from. I also feel like many geological formations need re-analyzation (sometimes re re-analyzation) to provide us with more current and accurate radiometric datings & measurements.
ive heard that - with ongoing research, it can sometimes feel like these creatures have multiple identities as scientists work to refine their classifications and understand their biology.
@@lochness5524 one of them, Rivera-Sylva works with people that practice fossil sacking, also, he is not willing to give access to the specimens in the Museo del Desierto collection for other paleontologist to analyze, and the other is the infamous Nicholas Longrich who harassed female students, and also supports fossil sacking.
Love your videos…however, the/any background music is awful…as I cannot take in what you are actually saying. Would be great if you could do your fab videos without the noise in the background. Many thanks in advance.
Unfortunately that may just be a you thing, as I think I've received no more than 5 comments like this in the entire 8 yr history of this channel AND this is a common convention of the majority of all youtube videos.
As previously stated by other commentators, the hyper fragmentary nature of the specimen as well as the description involving two highly controversial figures in paleontology kinda leave a sour taste that prevents from fully appreciating this description for what it's actually worth. At least we got more official paleoart by Andrey Atuchin, so there is that.
I wouldn't call it hyper fragmentary, it's your average fragmentary theropod with your average diagnosis. People are making it a bigger deal than it is because of two bad people who wrote it. No one likes a real life villain, but as far as the animal itself goes, you have various pieces from different parts of the body; skull bones, pieces of arm and leg, etc. A helluva a lot better than just a femur, a single dentary, or a piece of the snout like a lot of other taxa.
Me personally I get slightly annoyed when people are like "This dinosaur *belongs* to 'x' clade" and they show the known remains and it's just two miniscule bones.
@@leoadimanea7826 Nah, we can classify animals based on fragmentary remains, hell we can even classify mammals with teeth only, what I mean when I say that this study is fishy at best is because the people involved are literally fishy, they haven't put effort in the classification, there's not only errors but these people as well are involved in... how can I say this politely, they have corrupted connections, yeah, I'll leave it like that, one is the guy "Read the paper", and the other one is friends with and supports fossil thieves, also the people that "helped" with this paper aren't snowy doves either, but the lore is hella huge, so I'll leave you with that, that's why the classification of this animal is fishy AF, I guess we will have to wait until other paleontologists do their studies with the holotype of this species, wait they can't because the corrupt museum that supports one of the co-authors won't let anyone touch the remains unless you are a friend of that guy.
Why? As far as I'm aware of, no one has claimed any detailed explanation/rebuttal with the specific apomorphies/diagnostic characteristics of Labocania aguillonae and its position within Teratophoneini. It's relation with Labocania anomala may be questionable, but no one's really given a good reason as to why it isn't. It's known from multiple sections of the body which is pretty good (still bad in general) for your typical fragmentary theropod taxon; you're not always fortunate to have associated material from multiple parts of the body. I've only really seen a mix of ad hominems, memes, and just saying, "it's fragmentary" without really talking about any of the diagnosis that do or don't exist. It just seems like people don't like the unsavory and unethical authors, but that doesn't actually make the study invalid. The only valid criticism I've seen is the lack of disclosure on the methods and characters used in the phylogeny in order to replicate data, especially where Teratophoneini is placed in relation with Daspletosaurini and Tyrannosaurini.
The frightening Tyrannosaurus Mex!
😂😂😂
And they had one Machete in each tiny arm and a flat round crest to protect from the sun
I'm disappointed the tyrannosaur was depicted not wearing a sombrero.
Same here. Also, standing in front of a fountain with 7 more T-Mexes, all.playing a different Mariachi instrument.
I wishrd we explored more on Mexican fossils and Paleontology. There is so much potential to discover more fossils over there.
The only species of Tyrannosaur which the mother disciplines her children with La Chancla
Jajaja self driven autonomous chancla drone😂
I didn't know what that was until I googled it and saw a pic of a flip flop. Told me all I needed to know. The matrons from my mother's Slavic side were precision, long range, heel throwers. They'll poke your eye out then order you to put it back.
Amazing! I thought it was not possible! For how long i was held this crucial information as a dino fan, so sad. Thanks!
If you are a true believer in dinosaurs as its called it should be easy to visualize species of Tyrannosaurus living in Mexico because of the America / Mexico split, as its called in these studies. Its supposed to be a time when America and Mexico split from Pangea. That would mean tyrannosaurs in Mexico, no doubt.
The recent remains of Labocania were presented to the press only a few weeks ago
Tyrannosaurs pretty much dominated North America during the last few million years of the Cretaceous.
A true king/Queen of the dinosaurs 😊
@@LacTose90By Predator/Popularity Standard Yes.....
But The Sauropods However.......
yeah literally thrived and dominated their time
not Mosasaurus..
Western North America, AKA Laramidia, only. They were never found on the eastern side of the Interior Seaway.
Wonderful specimen! Is there a possibility you could do a video about dryptosaurus? :3
The Tony Soprano of dinosaurs.
'Wonderful specimen?'
Garbage specimen
I’m a prehistoric caveman trappped in salt and your a news reporter, you do the maths…
I live in New Jersey we’re Dryptosaurus lives
Quick question, according to the San Diego Natural History Museum there are remains of Gorgosaurus/Albertosaurus discovered in Baja California. Are these related to Labocania? Also I would love to see a video about Aletopelta, an Ankylosaur/Nodosaur that may have lived alongside Labocania
They also used scribes and a blaster to prep the animal, I am a paleontologist from Texas
If more complete fossils of L. anomala and L. aguillonae are discovered, it might reveal enough differences to warrant reclassifying L. aguillonae as a new genus descended from L. anomala.
It's truly fascinating as always!
I'm sorry-
Who exactly is trying to push the idea that Mexico is not part of north america?
Fr
Europeans want to push that Central America is from Mexico to Panama. I imagine that's what he's referencing 🤷♂️
That was not literally....
@@EDGEscience That´s what every gringo said XD
I love this video’s title lmao
Would the drug cartels be another reason why we don’t have as many paleontological discoveries from Mexico? I assume that the cartels would make things difficult for anyone even paleontologist.
I honestly wouldn't be suprized of they dipped their toes into a little bit of fossil smugling and such.
I have heard it CAN be an issue, particularly with using land (land which may or may not be used by various parties).
Cartels made the Dino’s extinct 😢
An important note to keep in mind is that, as he already mentioned in that other video (and even this video), Labocania is not a new species of dinosaur new to science this year. It's just that the second species of Labocania, L. aguillonae, was new to science quite recently this year.
Also, as stated in the video, the classification of Labocania is, until now, still unclear, due to how fragmentary both species' material are. But, until more complete remains could solve the mystery, for the mean time, I think that it's time to consider that Labocania is a tyrannosaurid, placed most closely to Bistahieversor and that unnamed Aguja Formation tyrannosaurid. What do you guys think?
Why tyrannosaurus evolved the same time period with ceratopsians
Ah yes, T. Mex
Trex mex! Ha! I died! Also. Where do you find your art. I am subscribed to sever paleo channels and they all seem to get their paleo art from the same places, you have many pics that seem to be from under represented artists or from a different pool than most. Its refreshing
I find art from all over the web. Twitter, insta, deviantart, artstation. I try to do my best in crediting everything and everyone but sometimes I forget or overlook a piece.
T-Mex
Yay a edge upload!
Gary Larson!
I'll bet another reason we haven't found much dinosaur life in Mexico is because the country was the first to be absolutly blasted by the ejecta cloud when the asteroid struck.
About that... Most dinosaurs, if not all that have been found in Mexico, my home country, are between 72 and 66 million years old, but I do agree that it is strange to find only certain types of dinosaurs such as Hadrosaurids. I've seen plenty of such fossils, including a relatively complete skeleton and skull of Velafrons coahuilensis.
I'm glad you mentioned Baja/B.C. A T .Rex or something close was living in Baha very close to the KT. Check out the Sucia I. fossil.
The only reason why Mexico fossils is hard to get since the asteroid impact is in southern Mexican and nearby the vaporized zone during the impact since very little fossil records
Have you considered a video/video series about Allosaurus (aka: the most speciose theropod genus of the Jurassic)?
Tbf Ceratosaurus has 3 species too 😉
@@EDGEscience Yes, but Allosaurus has nearly a dozen recognized species, plus potential subgenera like Edmarka and Saurophagonax
Actually those are all unrecognized as they are synonymized into the only 3 valid species.
On top of that Edmarka and Sauro are not subgebera. There would be absolutely no way to determine subgenera in fossil animals. Sauro is a valid genus. But if they were not, they'd be synonimized into the three valid Allo species.
@@EDGEscience Are you forgetting Allosaurus is found across Laurasia?
Когда от тебя остались только кусочки, но учёные уже определили кто ты, что ты ешь , когда ты умер, кто твои родственники и как тебя зовут
1:00 Greenland is also part of North America!
And also part of europe
@@Morrison-saber-tooth Greenland is geographically a North American island but culturally it’s European
I smell a territorial dispute
In the NAT at San Diego they have Albertosaurus on display and claim it had teeth found at El Gallo or of an animal similar. Do you think those teeth just belonged to Labocania? They said it was larger and distinct
Yeah, those teeth may be larger Labocania or a new genus. Just needs more material.
I'm excited for more, I love tyrannosauroids.
BLESS THEIR IGNORANT HEART!!
It's always interesting to wonder how much collection and preservation bias impact the fossil record. The west coast of Laramidia could very well have been as populated and amazing as the east, and we just haven't found the evidence. Maybe we never will.
What’s the name of the paramount theme
This one preferred Tacos instead of Mac & Cheese.
What?! Where you been hiding little guy?
At this point it would not surprise me if there were actually multiple tyrannosaurus species
There are multiple tyrannosaur species
Do we have news for you, lol
@@selthafour6948 I mean there is or was a literal study about it that received a huge backlash
@@thedoruk6324 species isn’t the word you’re looking for chef.
@@thedoruk6324 You might be thinking of the first one that tried to split the Maastrichtian aged Hell Creek/Lance T. rex; there's a separate study regarding the Campanian aged Tyrannosaurus mcraeensis which is still valid. I think only Carr took issue with it stating it may be Maastrichtian in age, something, something individual variation.
In regards to the controversial first study that got backlash, Tyrannosaurus imperator could potentially still be valid, albeit, for different reasons than it was originally described as, as there could be morphological differences based on stratigraphic position that could represent an anagenic taxon akin to the two Triceratops species.
I dug the aguja formation and we have a skeleton. Fully articulated
of what?
@@EDGEsciencea skeleton
Tyrannosaurus-Mex, or Mex-Rex?
What was going on with the way you said Mexico at first? 😂 Are you sick?
Mexican endemism 😍
The king of tyrant lizards mexican🇲🇽❤🦖
Tyrannosaurus Chicanos. King of the Mexican lizards.
I interview Omar no joke
🌾
tyrannosaurus el morte
I feel like paleontologists are giving this dinosaur an identity crisis over who and what it is and where it's from.
I also feel like many geological formations need re-analyzation (sometimes re re-analyzation) to provide us with more current and accurate radiometric datings & measurements.
Something tells me that the methods used from the La Bocana Roja Formation are incorrectly dated and that they need to be looked over.
ive heard that - with ongoing research, it can sometimes feel like these creatures have multiple identities as scientists work to refine their classifications and understand their biology.
Yippee
False alarm boys, it's fragmentary and dubious af.
Also described by controversial people.
controversial how?
@@lochness5524 one of them, Rivera-Sylva works with people that practice fossil sacking, also, he is not willing to give access to the specimens in the Museo del Desierto collection for other paleontologist to analyze, and the other is the infamous Nicholas Longrich who harassed female students, and also supports fossil sacking.
Love your videos…however, the/any background music is awful…as I cannot take in what you are actually saying. Would be great if you could do your fab videos without the noise in the background. Many thanks in advance.
Unfortunately that may just be a you thing, as I think I've received no more than 5 comments like this in the entire 8 yr history of this channel AND this is a common convention of the majority of all youtube videos.
Nos ostros no rawrwamos aqui.
As previously stated by other commentators, the hyper fragmentary nature of the specimen as well as the description involving two highly controversial figures in paleontology kinda leave a sour taste that prevents from fully appreciating this description for what it's actually worth. At least we got more official paleoart by Andrey Atuchin, so there is that.
I wouldn't call it hyper fragmentary, it's your average fragmentary theropod with your average diagnosis. People are making it a bigger deal than it is because of two bad people who wrote it. No one likes a real life villain, but as far as the animal itself goes, you have various pieces from different parts of the body; skull bones, pieces of arm and leg, etc. A helluva a lot better than just a femur, a single dentary, or a piece of the snout like a lot of other taxa.
Give the political crap a rest mate!
What political crap?
This study is at best fishy, but whatever man.
Me personally I get slightly annoyed when people are like "This dinosaur *belongs* to 'x' clade" and they show the known remains and it's just two miniscule bones.
@@leoadimanea7826 Nah, we can classify animals based on fragmentary remains, hell we can even classify mammals with teeth only, what I mean when I say that this study is fishy at best is because the people involved are literally fishy, they haven't put effort in the classification, there's not only errors but these people as well are involved in... how can I say this politely, they have corrupted connections, yeah, I'll leave it like that, one is the guy "Read the paper", and the other one is friends with and supports fossil thieves, also the people that "helped" with this paper aren't snowy doves either, but the lore is hella huge, so I'll leave you with that, that's why the classification of this animal is fishy AF, I guess we will have to wait until other paleontologists do their studies with the holotype of this species, wait they can't because the corrupt museum that supports one of the co-authors won't let anyone touch the remains unless you are a friend of that guy.
Why? As far as I'm aware of, no one has claimed any detailed explanation/rebuttal with the specific apomorphies/diagnostic characteristics of Labocania aguillonae and its position within Teratophoneini. It's relation with Labocania anomala may be questionable, but no one's really given a good reason as to why it isn't. It's known from multiple sections of the body which is pretty good (still bad in general) for your typical fragmentary theropod taxon; you're not always fortunate to have associated material from multiple parts of the body.
I've only really seen a mix of ad hominems, memes, and just saying, "it's fragmentary" without really talking about any of the diagnosis that do or don't exist. It just seems like people don't like the unsavory and unethical authors, but that doesn't actually make the study invalid. The only valid criticism I've seen is the lack of disclosure on the methods and characters used in the phylogeny in order to replicate data, especially where Teratophoneini is placed in relation with Daspletosaurini and Tyrannosaurini.
stop putting feathers on the freaking t-rex, not one shred of evidence for that!
But there's no evidence to suggest that it DIDN'T have feathers....
@@thomasborg6341 yes there is, we never found a dinosaur skin imprint with feathers.
@@owenduckabsence of evidence is not evidence of absence
@dinomaniac1573 it makes even less sense in the face of unfossilised soft tissue in dinosaur remains.
T rex is a dragon not a dinosaur U all can't see wut he really looks like a dragon don't be blind people open your eye's its a dragon.