How to Detect Muons!

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  • Опубликовано: 29 янв 2025

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  • @joshajohnson
    @joshajohnson 6 лет назад +439

    Who would have thought a video not about concrete could be so interesting!

    • @halimceria
      @halimceria 6 лет назад +47

      But a video about concrete is a pretty solid idea.

    • @keaganchong
      @keaganchong 6 лет назад +4

      halimceria Oh god the pun! I love puns

    • @timothyreheht6485
      @timothyreheht6485 6 лет назад +11

      6:47 there is no such thing as a Practical Engineering video not about concrete.

    • @knightshousegames
      @knightshousegames 6 лет назад +7

      +halimceria He tried coming up with more ideas for his concrete video series, but nothing would coalesce.

    • @nmccw3245
      @nmccw3245 6 лет назад +5

      Embrace the aggregate.

  • @michaelwoodhams7866
    @michaelwoodhams7866 6 лет назад +62

    I did my MSc thesis on a cosmic ray detection experiment (the JANZOS array) trying to detect cosmic rays created by supernova SN1987A, which was in the Large Magellanic Cloud, and is the nearest known supernova in several hundred years. We used two different detection techniques: scintillator detectors (like yours) and air Cerenkov detectors. (Your shot of fancy science cosmic ray detection was air Cerenkov, but much more sophisticated that what we had.) Our scintillator array had 76 detectors, each 1m^2 or 0.5m^2, spread over about 150m diameter area.
    Although you describe your device as a muon detector, it will detect any charged particle which is able to penetrate the atmosphere from source to your detector, and penetrate the detector itself.
    When a very high energy cosmic ray hits the top of the atmosphere, it will interact with an atom to produce several slightly lower energy particles, which in turn interact to produce still more particles, until you have very many particles travelling just short of the speed of light and spread out like a pancake. This is a particle shower. Eventually the particles become low enough energy that interactions with the atmosphere absorb the particles rather than generating new ones, and the shower dies. So it starts small, gets big, the dies away to almost nothing. The big exception is the muons, as they are much more penetrating than the electrons, positrons and gamma rays which make up most of the shower. If you are at low altitude, very few cosmic ray showers will penetrate the atmosphere that far, but the muons that they produce will (and hundreds of metres of rock beyond that.)
    Our scintillator detector array used detection timings from the detectors to reconstruct the direction of travel of the particle shower, and hence of the initial cosmic ray.
    Muons are so penetrating that a few floors of parking building concrete should have minimal effect on them. (It is a long time since I worked on this, so I might be wrong here.) I expect that the reduction you saw was rather due to shielding from non-muons in the rare cosmic ray showers which penetrated to your level. Also note that when you get a coincidence detection with your two detectors, it might not be a single particle which travelled through both detectors, but a cosmic ray shower where different particles in the same shower triggered the two detectors. You can also get coincident counts from local radioactivity, so long as the particle can penetrate both detectors.
    Here are some more experiments for you:
    If the coincidence counts are from single particles, as you move your detectors further apart, the detection rate will fall, and the decrease in rate is easily calculable from the geometry of the relative placement of the two scintillators. Conversely, the coincident hit rate due to cosmic ray showers will be independent of the relative location of the two detectors (unless the separation is large compared to the size of the shower, which would be at least tens of metres.) (Your side-by-side-detectors measurement might already be a measurement of cosmic ray showers.) So it should be pretty easy to separate these two effects. (You'll need to think about the length of the time window for coincidence counts. To detect showers, your window needs to be at least as large as the light travel time between your two detectors. If your coincidence time window is something like 1ms, this won't be a problem, but if it is 1ns it could be.) Once you've done this to estimate separate rates for showers and for muons, you can start to experiment with how this changes depending on location:
    * At higher altitude, you should see a higher shower rate, but much the same muon rate. Expect a very large difference in shower rate between sea level and a few thousand metres altitude. (Our experiment was, as I recall, at about 1600m altitude.)
    * Shielded locations (parking building) should decrease shower rate but have little effect on muon rate
    * Local radioactivity rate (which would behave like muons, as it its single particle coincidence) should be very dependent on location, such as whether your detectors are sitting on rock or on a thick layer of dirt. (I'm really not sure if this rate will be significant at all.)
    * If you have your two detectors stacked vertically, counts from local radioactivity are likely to be particles coming from below. Try putting a few cm of lead under your detectors and see if it makes a difference.
    Did we detect cosmic rays from SN1987A? The Cerenkov detectors gave us a marginal signal (I think it was 3.3 sigma, after correction for multiple testing) for a two day period when other experiments also thought they saw something, but we got nothing significant from the scintillator array.
    If I remember correctly, our scintillator array detected about one shower a second, but it had much greater collecting area than your little detector, and it was probably at greater altitude, which has a big effect on shower frequency.
    We'd have loved to have had dedicated muon detectors (basically more scinillator detectors but buried under a few metres of rock) as part of our array. Showers initiated by hadrons (protons and antiprotons) produce lots of muons, the approx 1% of showers initiated by gamma rays or electrons/positrons do not. Because magnetic fields bend the paths of hadrons, the direction of the shower doesn't indicate the direction to the cosmic ray source. If we could have distinguished between hadron initiated showers and gamma/lepton ray initiated showers, it would have improved our signal (gamma ray initiated showers) to noise (anything-else initiated showers) enormously.

    • @michaelwoodhams7866
      @michaelwoodhams7866 6 лет назад +4

      Just for clarification: I have very little feel for whether showers will be producing any significant number of coincident hits. If you do my suggested experiments, you quite likely will find that showers are not being detected at all. I could go research shower rates, particle densities in the showers and penetration depth in the atmosphere to get an estimate, but trying it out is more fun.
      Also, here is another experiment you could do. You've already stacked your two detectors and then laid them on their sides, to detect sideways moving particles. Try leaving them in normal upright orientation, but side-by-side. This greatly reduces your detection cross-section to sideways moving particles (they have to hit the thin dimension of the scintillator slab in both detectors) but increases the cross-section to showers (as these come from close to overhead, as anything not close to vertical will get greatly attenuated, and this orientation presents more cross-section to vertically moving particles.)

    • @Jacob-ABCXYZ
      @Jacob-ABCXYZ 3 года назад +1

      So super small particles gotcha

    • @vernonbrechin4207
      @vernonbrechin4207 3 года назад

      @@michaelwoodhams7866 - Thanks for the clarifications.

    • @vernonbrechin4207
      @vernonbrechin4207 3 года назад

      Thanks for the clarifications.

  • @feynstein1004
    @feynstein1004 6 лет назад +163

    A video about a civil engineer using electronic equipment to do particle physics, sponsored by Zod from Superman. I think we just broke reality.

    • @QuantumLeclerc
      @QuantumLeclerc 5 лет назад +4

      A more ambitious crossover than Infinity War

  • @PracticalEngineeringChannel
    @PracticalEngineeringChannel  6 лет назад +116

    This project was designed with funding from the MIT Physics Department to encourage students to pursue careers in science and engineering. I want to help further the educational aspect of what Spencer and his team are doing by giving these detectors (and my leftover spare parts) away. If you are an educator and interested in having a desktop muon detector for your classroom or if you'd like to build one as a class project, shoot me an email at the address in my channel’s “about” page and we’ll give these devices a happy home.
    Edit: The detectors and spare parts have been spoken for!

    • @erikburman530
      @erikburman530 6 лет назад

      I get it that this is all geared for MIT level brainiacs but seriously....four hours for a "novice" high school student to build and all for merely a single Benjamin?

    • @bruhdabones
      @bruhdabones 6 лет назад

      I’ve used these detectors before! They are so cool.

    • @rockets4kids
      @rockets4kids 6 лет назад

      Can you use this detector to replicate the Frisch-Smith experiment? If so, that would be super cool. ruclips.net/video/tnao7JWo8mA/видео.html

    • @davidwilkerson1904
      @davidwilkerson1904 6 лет назад +1

      Can you pin a link where I could buy the list of components needed for this project? I am sure others would be interested in a fun little project like this.

    • @quantised1703
      @quantised1703 6 лет назад

      How to I reach you? I am very much interested in these detectors for my project on shielding electronics, planes and self driving cars from SEUs (cosmic rays)..

  • @oootoob
    @oootoob 6 лет назад +89

    Muon detection was used to discover a new hidden chamber in the great pyramid at Giza in 2017 and it is touted as a new approach to 'seeing' inside large dense objects like volcanoes, a technique called muography

    • @cmdraftbrn
      @cmdraftbrn 6 лет назад +3

      they had that on pbs not too long ago. i think there was something about using it to view the reactor core in japan.

    • @_Matyro_
      @_Matyro_ 6 лет назад +10

      The technique is quite similar to what he shows in the parking garage. With several measurements in different direction it is possible to get a density profile of the material above the detector.

    • @iroll
      @iroll 6 лет назад +1

      That was all hot air. The "new chamber" theory has been completely debunked using other methods.

  • @aarondcmedia9585
    @aarondcmedia9585 6 лет назад +5

    Certainly easier than buying a mine and filling it with heavy water and light detectors!
    The enclosures and overall look of the product is very professional. Good stuff.

  • @verdatum
    @verdatum 6 лет назад +77

    When I was like 5 years old, my father explained to me how cosmic rays are constantly shooting through my body all day long. And there was nothing I could do to stop it. Engineers make for trepadatious parents.

    • @owenreedy9830
      @owenreedy9830 6 лет назад +4

      It's "trepidatious" with an I after the P... My pops was an electrician & plumber on the side while being a conductor on the railroad so I can sympathize knowing the dangers of gas pipes, trains cargo & electricity at an early age is shocking lol

    • @nickmuffin1722
      @nickmuffin1722 3 года назад +2

      @@owenreedy9830 My dad is an Xray welder and an Electrician. We should do a meet up and do a nerd talk out 😂😂

  • @HebaruSan
    @HebaruSan 6 лет назад +146

    Fun fact, those muons don't last long enough on their own to make it through the atmosphere, but they're moving so close to the speed of light that their lifetimes get a boost thanks to time dilation a la special relativity.

    • @CntRational
      @CntRational 6 лет назад +29

      And since the muons don't see themselves moving slower in time, that's proof that the muons actually see the distance from the top of the atmosphere to the surface length-contracted down to a few inches, so they can travel the entire distance before decaying.

    • @RubixB0y
      @RubixB0y 6 лет назад +3

      lol, typical nerd trivia material

    • @Blox117
      @Blox117 6 лет назад +16

      yes its called lorentz contraction. for a particle travelling 99% the speed of light the earth might only appear to be a few hundred meters in thickness, allowing the fast moving object to travel large distances 'relatively' quickly.

    • @Marf-yt
      @Marf-yt 6 лет назад +9

      You know what this means... FLAT EARTH CONFIRMED from a muon's perspective.

    • @defeatSpace
      @defeatSpace 3 года назад +3

      It's also a fun fact that for photons emitting from the sun, their entire journey from the inside, through the photosphere, out the sun and to the earth is instantaneous from the perspective of the photon but from the perspective of an observer, it will appear to take time.

  • @vernonbrechin4207
    @vernonbrechin4207 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for your venture into subatomic particle detection, processing and readouts. That circuit board was beautifully designed with descriptive labeling.
    I spent much of my career at the SLAC research facility, as an electronic technician working with particle detectors and beam position monitors.

  • @marwanaljohary7615
    @marwanaljohary7615 5 лет назад +1

    To be honest I don't watch all your videos, I just let them play and like them, I just want to support a fellow engineer, cheers from Syria.

  • @b.hagedash7973
    @b.hagedash7973 6 лет назад +34

    It would be interesting if you set this up at the bottom of an alcohol cloud chamber, being able to see the transit of the particle and then gauge whether it's always picked up by the detector.

  • @_Matyro_
    @_Matyro_ 6 лет назад +33

    With increasing size of the szintillator you can quite reduce the necessary measure time. Currently we implement a similar device with a big very thin woven szintillator. This will be put on a drone / weather balloon to measure rate and direction depending on the height. In this case the experiment focused on undergraduate physic students to build this. Additional we will use one of the STM32 boards for its much higher performance and efficiency.

    • @Blox117
      @Blox117 6 лет назад +2

      szintillator? is that a type of pasta machine?

    • @_Matyro_
      @_Matyro_ 6 лет назад +5

      Scintillator is a material that, simplified, generates light when high energetic particles path through it. This is much more light then other process like cherenkov would generate during its fly-through. This allows an easier detection. In case of the sensors used here (SiPM) the ideal wavelength of generated is around 420nm. There are several materials that are usable. The one we use here in the lab is PMMA (Acryl/Plexiglas) with a little bit Naphtalene and PBD. Naphtalene emits UV when excited and PBD changes the wavelength to the targeted blue.
      The use of a mesh additional has the benefits to guide the light into the sensors so less loss on the mylar foil that is used to wrap the block.

    • @dw2843
      @dw2843 6 лет назад +2

      Dominik B I think he was kidding. Since you spelt it differently.

    • @dw2843
      @dw2843 6 лет назад

      Dominik B thanks for the info though.

    • @_Matyro_
      @_Matyro_ 6 лет назад +3

      Oh ok, szintillator is the german spelling. Seems that I missed it...

  • @GodlikeIridium
    @GodlikeIridium 3 года назад

    A civil engineer building a muon detector. This is a perfect example of the pros of the internet and spread of information!

  • @mlxp
    @mlxp 6 лет назад

    This is one of the most wholesome science/engineering channels on RUclips, right up there with SmarterEveryDay

  • @coryman125
    @coryman125 6 лет назад

    I came here for engineering, and now I have a complex understanding of astronomy and particle physics. I hope you're happy.

  • @amyshaw893
    @amyshaw893 6 лет назад

    omg, even at the start of this video, i can tell this is going to be cool. we have just been covering subatomic particles and their relatives in physics, all the hadrons, leptons, bosons and mesons. its so cool, and i need this in my life now

  • @felpshehe
    @felpshehe 6 лет назад +13

    "I was going to talk about concrete but made a muon detector instead" hahahaha who doesn't?

  • @jpaugh64
    @jpaugh64 3 года назад

    Just saw this video, and immediately knew it'd be one of my favorites! You didn't disappoint. Thanks!

  • @chesthairascot3743
    @chesthairascot3743 6 лет назад +2

    Awesome video- I'm a bit tempted to build an array of those myself.
    If I can offer some constructive criticism on soldering- It helps to apply heat to the part and board pad at the same time, then introduce the solder after they're both warm. When done this way, the solder will quickly wick to both. It also shortens the amount of time you have to work with the solder, so you can get the joint done correctly before the flux burns off (which makes the solder unworkable.)
    You'll also want to make sure that you're touching the solder to the pad and part, and not the iron. Touching it to the iron will burn off the flux before it can do its job.

  • @blevenzon
    @blevenzon 6 лет назад

    I’m so thrilled to have stumbled on your channel. I just binge watched all the videos. Amazing and fascinating stuff thank you so so much

  • @nowymail
    @nowymail 6 лет назад +118

    This is a great true random number generator.

    • @Benoit-Pierre
      @Benoit-Pierre 6 лет назад +17

      SnakebitSTI if it varies a bit with weather, you can just add a filter. Dont count the muons per hour, but the delay in nano seconds between two consecutive muons, modulo 1ms or even less.
      It remains a good seed.
      If the detector is stored in a safe place where bad people cant bring a muon generator ....

    • @VideoDotGoogleDotCom
      @VideoDotGoogleDotCom 6 лет назад +4

      There is no such thing as a true random number generator. Have a nice da7iiI0,ii

    • @bruhdabones
      @bruhdabones 6 лет назад +3

      It’s not quite that random. They come down at a rate of ~1 per 2 seconds, and that can increase if you don’t cover the scintillator correctly. But, if you just measure the microseconds between hits, it may work.

    • @justgame5508
      @justgame5508 6 лет назад +10

      VideoDotGoogleDotCom yes there is, base a number generator off the time between emissions on a radioactive atom and you have a true random number generator

    • @VideoDotGoogleDotCom
      @VideoDotGoogleDotCom 6 лет назад

      Are you kidding me? You don't seem to have any grasp of what randomness is. Have a great day.

  • @4IN14094
    @4IN14094 6 лет назад +102

    That soldiering job though😅
    edit:don't let EEVBlog see this, Dave will have a heart attack.😛

    • @chuckvanderbildt
      @chuckvanderbildt 6 лет назад +10

      That was obviously on purpose, just adding a little extra lead shielding to make it more directional :P

    • @The.Talent
      @The.Talent 6 лет назад +29

      In the words of AvE, the bigger the gob, the better the job, right?

    • @TazKhaelyor
      @TazKhaelyor 6 лет назад +24

      As an electrical engineer I surely did have a hard time watching him melting metals and pretending it was soldiering :P
      But nice equipment though, it's better than I used to have in my work lab.
      Tips to Pratical Engineering to improve on the soldering (and any who find themselves in a similar position) :
      - It's small scale stuff, litteraly lighter than a feather, be extra gentle or you'll have components flying around as shown in the video.
      - Use a finer tip for small SMDs, it'll help you control the amount of solder you use (and a finer solder wire would help too). If not an option, using a tiny drop of flux will help greatly (it still helps even with a finer tip).
      - The idea is to solder the component to the pad, not just drop it and hope that it sticks to the right parts, so apply the iron to touch both the parts you want to solder together and then apply some solder next to the iron (not on top of it). Idealy the only time the iron touches the solder is to prep it when you start.
      - On that note : when you start, melt a bit of solder on the tip and then use a slightly wet sponge to get rid of the excess, you should have around the end of the tip (2-8mm) shiny, smooth and clear.
      - If you're frustrated or stressed, take a break. Soldering small electronics takes a lot of focus and some patience, especially when you're starting out. No matter the experience, you can't do a good job when the nerves get in the way.
      Still, nobody's a master on the first day, so keep at it, and you'll improve :)
      I still liked the video, even with the repeated examples of "Things you must not do when soldering electronics"

    • @mina86
      @mina86 6 лет назад +13

      I'm surprised they went with SMDs to be honest. Through-hole feels a better choice for educational projects.

    • @dillhuang5988
      @dillhuang5988 6 лет назад

      It would be much neater if Grady had a hot air gun. All he had to do is apply solder to the pads and gently set the components in.

  • @nwmancuso
    @nwmancuso 6 лет назад +1

    You can find void space in volcanoes and pyramids using muons and your last experiment touched on that. If you had more detectors you could even graph empty spaces with enough data points. Thanks for the video!

  • @OffGridOverLander
    @OffGridOverLander 3 года назад

    I can’t believe the General Zod decided to sponsor this episode 😂 his fight with Superman must’ve gone horribly wrong 🤣

  • @thekinginyellow1744
    @thekinginyellow1744 4 года назад

    Built one of these in my senior year of college. Had a much larger scintillator, and much more primitive electronics. Mind you this was nigh on to thirty years ago. Worked pretty well. Came up with Muon lifetimes that matched within 0.1% of the expected result

  • @guilemaigre14
    @guilemaigre14 6 лет назад

    I'm a 3rd year physic student, and this year we exactly that experiment for our Lab lesson. Expect we used 80's or maybe even 70's gear and old NIM logic module. It was pretty fun.
    And with all the data you mesured, you should be able to make a exponential fit to mesure directly the life time of the Muon.

  • @nathandietrich4409
    @nathandietrich4409 6 лет назад

    I love/hate this channel because I've been watching for a while but my engineering teacher showed in class and I realized I was a huge nerd

  • @bruhdabones
    @bruhdabones 6 лет назад

    I got a few of these for my High School, and we sent them up over 4000ft in a rocket! These muon detectors are super cool

  • @catavar9921
    @catavar9921 6 лет назад

    I usually come here for the concrete, but this reminds me of my time as a grad student working on a cosmic ray air shower array (I moved on to work on stellar astrophysics since). This is a really cool gadget and now that I know about it, I might get one for my office.

  • @betilloOrte
    @betilloOrte 4 года назад

    I built one of these in high school for a Senior project. Not really as complex nonetheless paved the way for my love of science. Much love!

  • @jmchez
    @jmchez 6 лет назад +1

    You are probably aware that the measurement of muon rate atop mountains compared to sea level was and is a major proof of Einstein's theory of Special Relativity.
    Since muons decay in 2.2 microseconds, at their speed, most should decay before they reach the sea. However, the rate atop the mountain and at sea level does not show that. The answer is that we observe the muon time to slow down (time dilation) allowing the muons to last longer and reach the sea. From the perspective of the muons, time does not slow down but the distance to the sea shortens (length contraction) and they can traverse it in less time.
    In the early 1960s, David H. Frisch and James H. Smith measured the rate of detection of muons at the observatory on top of Mount Washington in New Hampshire (elevation 6289 feet) and again at sea level, obtaining agreement with the time-dilation prediction of special relativity. They published their results and made an educational movie. ruclips.net/video/3CeQXsIiGp8/видео.html
    hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Relativ/muonex.html

  • @mrnarason
    @mrnarason 6 лет назад +1

    I did this for my senior project in physics. It was pretty great.

  • @zapityzapzap
    @zapityzapzap 5 лет назад

    Something you may enjoy, software defined radios. Can gather radio system capacity (loading) data with them, spectral analysts, see how reinforced concrete affects signal, track ADS-B…all sorts of fun stuff.

  • @billswingle2672
    @billswingle2672 6 лет назад +1

    You sir are fantastic. I love your videos!

  • @MMHussaini
    @MMHussaini 6 лет назад

    Wow this was an inspirational video, Grady. In short, there is no refuge from Muons.

  • @Masterchief0397
    @Masterchief0397 6 лет назад

    Underrated channel

  • @bronwyngreen119
    @bronwyngreen119 5 лет назад

    I enjoyed this little foray into science/physics. Curious to see what else you'll do that is less engineering related.

  • @PyroChimp75
    @PyroChimp75 6 лет назад

    I love this!! You like science and the arts! Thank you so much for sharing these projects!

  • @zvpunry1971
    @zvpunry1971 6 лет назад

    A box with a blinking light is one thing. It involves following instructions to assemble a electronic kit containing smd components and so on and when it is done, it is just a blinking light. So you need at least two of them to see if particles go to both of them.
    The other thing is a cloud chamber. They are relatively easy to build, you need an old aquarium (without fish and water), a method to cool it down at the bottom and heat it up at the top to create a temperature gradient. As a medium to create the clouds you need some isopropyl alcohol that will be heated from the top and cooled at the bottom. Another ingredient is a lightsource from the side just above the bottom. The bottom and the sides should be non-reflective (matte black paint) and it should be closed with a sheet of glass on the top to minimize air-currents in it. (There are many detailed building instructions for cheap cloud-chambers on the internet, some use components of old fridges or cooling boxes, some use dry ice and so on, just search for it).
    Looking into such a cloud chamber is more impressive than a blinking light. It is more comprehensible, a better tool to teach people about the invisible things around them. They might ask questions how it works and this gives the opportunity to explain ionizing radiation and how it creates a trail of ionized gas which attracts the alcohol and water molecules which then condense into cloudy trails.
    Of course, a desktop-particle-counter is still a nice device too. ;)

  • @veryoldpotato
    @veryoldpotato 6 лет назад +4

    Maybe the difference in muon detections was due to change in altitude rather than amount of concrete above the detector? Would be interesting to see how much concrete it would take to block muons entirely.

  • @juhailmarisalminen
    @juhailmarisalminen 6 лет назад +31

    1:09 GreatScott got triggered

  • @CristiNeagu
    @CristiNeagu 6 лет назад +4

    For the experiment where you left the detectors in your car at work, it would have been interesting to have a control, as in another set of detectors, sitting in the exact same spot every day. This would tell you if the change is due to the layers of concrete and not something else.

    • @alexanderf8451
      @alexanderf8451 6 лет назад

      It could also have been the height that caused the difference rather than the concrete.

  • @trulyinfamous
    @trulyinfamous 6 лет назад

    If you want to learn more about elementary particles and really just the whole universe, I cannot recommend enough David Butler's "How Small Is It" series.

  • @_BangDroid_
    @_BangDroid_ 6 лет назад

    I saw an art exhibition that used an array of these or something very similar. On ever detection, each detector would emit a tone. It was pretty cool and sometimes quite musical, other times it was very random.

  • @MattMajcan
    @MattMajcan 3 года назад

    you should follow this up with a video about cloud chambers. you could make a really good one! I saw one at griffith observatory in LA and it blew my mind, i never knew such a thing existed and it's still by far my favorite physics "gadget"

  • @SouvikAswad
    @SouvikAswad 6 лет назад +1

    Nice video! But you start for work at 6.30? That's way early! And you make all these videos. Kudos man!

  • @fabiopinciroli4962
    @fabiopinciroli4962 6 лет назад

    I am some research on cosmic rays at cern, whe use bigger detectors that capture around 40-60 traces a second, and are capable of triangulating the trajectory of the rays.
    I can tell you that the day-night cicle doesn't have an influence, but air pressure maybe has, we are investigating it.
    Also some rays come from the earth, we don't know if they cross the whole planet or are generated by radioactive decay, the experiments are ongoing!

  • @PBeringer
    @PBeringer 3 года назад

    I'm DEFINITELY getting a couple of those kits! Not only is detecting muons amazing in itself, I want to modify them to output the count rate and intensity as control voltage (CV) to control analog synth equipment. Generating entire compositions from cosmic rays - particularly rhythms - would be really good fun. (Not sure yet how to amplify the differences in intensity so to get a greater range of output voltages ... )

  • @Niarbeht
    @Niarbeht 3 года назад

    Just popping in to tell you that the chain from Detector->PMT->ADC->(etc) is really common in different fields of process and laboratory analyzer design. Sulfur and nitrogen analyzers, for example, use this chain.

  • @BlameItOnGreg
    @BlameItOnGreg 6 лет назад

    I'd really like a video or series on rammed earth: history, with/without cement, types of reinforcement, thermal efficiency, weather resistance, etc.

  • @aidanwansbrough7495
    @aidanwansbrough7495 6 лет назад +1

    That's awesome!! I'd love to get one of those!!

  • @plasmahead2
    @plasmahead2 6 лет назад

    This makes up for jumping trains of thought from concrete to astrophysics. Well played

  • @daveb5041
    @daveb5041 6 лет назад +3

    It's amazing how when you can build these experiments at your house and people still think the universe is 5000 years old or the earth is flat. You can disprove both of those with these detectors but since that would require some advanced but not out of reach for the average person, thinking people don't. So simple to do: we know that muons shouldn't make it down to the surface due to decay time, but they do because of time dilation and the fact they only experience time at a fraction of our time.

  • @SNoCappidona
    @SNoCappidona 6 лет назад

    NIce video. I've been measuring cosmic rays for about 6 months now. I gather data and performe flux, time of flight, and shower studies. There's a lot to learn and it's not easy. I've received a grant from the NASA space weather program to do this research, and i have no idea what it's for. One could say i cant see the forest for the trees yet

  • @briannewhard4311
    @briannewhard4311 6 лет назад +2

    Is there a kit that collects all the necessary parts in one place?
    A cursory look at the project's website describes everything necessary, but you are left on your own for acquiring everything.

    • @KingJellyfishII
      @KingJellyfishII 5 лет назад

      I was thinking that too.... You even need to mill the scintillator yourself...

  • @iAmTheSquidThing
    @iAmTheSquidThing 6 лет назад

    That XOD thing is giving me feelings of nostalgia for Lego MindStorms.

  • @ahbushnell1
    @ahbushnell1 6 лет назад

    But was the difference in the garage statistically significant. This is a cool project!!!!

  • @ncooty
    @ncooty 6 лет назад

    I thought Superman put Zod in that mirror prison floating through space. If he's back and just working on productive things now, that's great. It's really a testament to rehabilitation and job-training in our intergalactic prison system.

  • @thewaytruthandlife
    @thewaytruthandlife 3 года назад

    I am surpriced that muons can still pass thrue concrete slabs that a garage is build of, wow. Didnt know they were so powerfull/energetic.

  • @kevadu
    @kevadu 6 лет назад

    While this is certainly interesting you don't actually need a device this sophisticated to see cosmic rays. When I was in college I used to participate in some science outreach programs for the local elementary schools. One of the things we did (which admittedly was a bigger hit among the adults than the kids...) was build a cloud chamber for detecting cosmic rays.
    It's really simple. You just need a clear plastic container, some paper towels, rubbing alcohol, dry ice, and a strong light source from something like an old slide projector. Soak the paper towels with the alcohol and tape them to the bottom of your container. Put the lid on the container, flip it over, and place it on top of the dry ice. The cold from the dry ice should cause a vapor cloud of the alcohol to form near the bottom of the container. Then go into a very dark room and shine the light on that vapor cloud. Then just watch! You should see occasional tracks form in the vapor cloud, and those are being produced by the cosmic rays. It's that simple.

  • @vusvis
    @vusvis 6 лет назад

    Such an interesting video! How strange it has only so little views, compared to other Practical Engineering videos..

  • @TheEngineeringToolboxChannel
    @TheEngineeringToolboxChannel 6 лет назад

    As always, great stuff!!

  • @googol323
    @googol323 6 лет назад

    Keep up the great videos! Love these!

  • @terryweaver9140
    @terryweaver9140 6 лет назад

    It's best to use two irons when soldering SMT parts by hand. It's easy once you get the hang of it as the surface tension pulls the part into place.

  • @DasIllu
    @DasIllu 6 лет назад

    I am more interested in the inner workings and specs of the scintillator than cosmetic rays :)
    I am fascinated by all kinds of detectors.

  • @SeanHodgins
    @SeanHodgins 6 лет назад

    Cool, I have been working on a similar device, but no scintillator. I had known about this device before, but didn't realize that was how they were doing the detection, pretty cool. I guess that removes the need to block other particles and electrons from passing through and exciting the scintillator? Or is that still an issue?

    • @SnakebitSTI
      @SnakebitSTI 6 лет назад +1

      The scintillator is important, since it means the charged particles don’t have to hit the detection electronics directly.
      The metal box will stop electrons, and the atmosphere stops pions and kaons. You’re pretty much just going to see muons. Though photons can hit the photodetector directly and trigger it! One way to combat that is to have two photodetectors. If they both trigger at the same time, it’s most likely due to a flash of light off the scintillator.

  • @gamemaster1324
    @gamemaster1324 6 лет назад

    muon is very versatile due to how readily available on the surface. Alot of experiments are device to uses this to detect underground reserve of minerals and other features without physically digging thru the earth. best way to describe it would be a muon been a light source and detector been a camera that captures it.

  • @AxcelleratorT
    @AxcelleratorT 6 лет назад

    6:10 Linking multiple detectors together to sense direction is called a hodoscope.

  • @gustavderkits8433
    @gustavderkits8433 3 года назад

    Excellent presentation. Real data. There is a app that uses soft errors in cellphone graphic memory to detect cosmic rays. That may be detecting more neutrons than muons, since the charge transfer is low for ultrarelativistic particles. Soft errors are a concern for modern computation, since it limits the accuracy of calculations. You might want to do a follow up comparing the issues.

  • @HorzaPanda
    @HorzaPanda 6 лет назад

    Now to build a mount so you can test any angle between verticle and horizontal or a waterproof version so you can test attenuation through liquids (or just put them below a fish tank XD)

  • @positivelydanschultz
    @positivelydanschultz 5 лет назад +3

    Can I purchase one of these muon detectors somewhere?
    From you?
    I want one!

  • @erikburman530
    @erikburman530 6 лет назад +1

    Great video and wonderful project. Unfortunately for most of us "citizen scientists" who don't have access to an academic physics department or a large urban MakerSpace the SiPM and plastic scintillator material are pretty much unobtainium.

    • @erikburman530
      @erikburman530 6 лет назад +1

      O.K. I see that the SiPM is available for $75, special price through SensL, using the link on your Facebook page. Great! But now, what about that scintillator plastic? Where the heck am I going to find something that will fit this project?

    • @erikburman530
      @erikburman530 6 лет назад +1

      O.K., O.K., I just found the plastic scintillator already cut to size and custom made for this project listed on ebay for $30. So already I'm at $100 but the rest shouldn't be too much more, so good to go!

    • @Blox117
      @Blox117 6 лет назад +1

      so not really unobtainable after all

    • @erikburman530
      @erikburman530 6 лет назад +1

      Yes, I'm on my way. Waiting for the PCB's to be manufactured and the SiPM is on the way. But this is really more of a $200 project not $100 as the folks who put this together would have you believe.

  • @StevePietras
    @StevePietras 6 лет назад

    Now, is it the density of the concrete that causes the attenuation or is it an effect of the mesh used to re-enforce the slabs? Similar to how a anechoic chamber absorbs reflections. I wonder if the "u" could pass thru a Faraday cage? It might reveal the answer to the re-bar question. Are the "u" at such a wavelength they would still pass thru the screen of the cage.

  • @kove
    @kove 3 года назад

    Hey Grady, this was the first video you used the music at 0:46, but it isn't in any of your video's descriptions. Can you share what it is please?

  • @athenon87
    @athenon87 6 лет назад

    Why does sticky tack fail in different ways depending on how fast you pull it? If you pull it really fast, you get a really quick and clean break. If you pull it really slow, you get a really jagged and medium-size break. If you pull it at a medium speed, it stretches and stretches and stretches until it finally gets too thin to support its own weight and snaps.

  • @iroll
    @iroll 6 лет назад

    If you were to repeat the parking garage experiment, you should do three days at each level, put error bars on the bar graphs, and try to show that the error bars don't overlap. Otherwise, it could just be noise and confirmation bias!

  • @mathieud5594
    @mathieud5594 2 года назад

    Impressive for a civil engineer! ;) Cleaver guy!

  • @judgeomega
    @judgeomega 6 лет назад +2

    i heard somewhere you can determine the hight of a foreign computer by measuring the malformed packets it sends over the internet (those that fail a crc check when received by a switch).

    • @pirmelephant
      @pirmelephant 6 лет назад +1

      Very interesting idea! But you can't really differentiate between lower altitude and material that the cosmic rays have to go through first (when the computer is on the first floor in a 10 story building).

    • @Blox117
      @Blox117 6 лет назад +1

      im pretty sure cosmic rays have a mostly negligible effect on computers, or else you would be seeing a lot more computer errors

    • @Blox117
      @Blox117 6 лет назад +1

      software is written with error correction against any form of soft errors anyways, hardware like ECC memory is for servers and provides an additional layer of protection against any changes in values. a single bit will not stop the operation and correction of data.

  • @frogi1660
    @frogi1660 6 лет назад

    7:00 I think you should have measured impact of car roof too, so we could consider it analysing results.

  • @fterrysmith6753
    @fterrysmith6753 5 лет назад

    Forgive my ignorance if I am in error but previous reading regarding muon detection illustrated a more fascinating property related to this particle. Am I correct in my understanding that the normal decay process would disallow their physical transit from the site of formation (high in the atmosphere where the collisions occur) to the surface of the earth where they could be detected. They decay before they can reach earth, but due to their velocity - time dilation (their clocks slow down), it extends their existence long enough for them to make the journey. Do I have it right? Thanks for your upload.

  • @onesourishpuma1766
    @onesourishpuma1766 6 лет назад

    Love this channel

  • @DarkFiber23
    @DarkFiber23 6 лет назад +1

    2:05 ; There's a Japanese musical group in our atmosphere! That makes sense...

  • @jimholmes2555
    @jimholmes2555 3 года назад

    Forrest Mims, who wrote a lot of hobby circuits for Radio Shack has a simplified circuit similar to this.

  • @unvergebeneid
    @unvergebeneid 6 лет назад

    2:17 Those dishes look so sci-fi! 😀

  • @4.0.4
    @4.0.4 6 лет назад

    Now that would be something to shoot up in a cubesat! Also, a cheaper experiment would be to ship it far away with batteries and a GPS. Then have a friend ship it back and see if there is any effect from geographical factors.

  • @cdw3423
    @cdw3423 6 лет назад

    What if you left them outside where there is nothing but the atmosphere to block the rays. Would you see a difference between night and day then? What about cloudy/humid days vs clear dry days?

  • @SirDominic
    @SirDominic 6 лет назад +3

    Perhaps you could build your own cloud chamber beside it so you can see the particles before they get detected

    • @phugoidoscillations
      @phugoidoscillations 6 лет назад

      This is a great idea! Having built a home made cloud chamber, I think they provide a more accessible window into cosmic ray trajectories. Capturing an event with both a cloud chamber and Cosmic Watch (or 2) seems improbable without a source, but definitely worth a go.

  • @TimNevins
    @TimNevins 6 лет назад

    Well done. Interesting stuff!

  • @KelvinW344
    @KelvinW344 6 лет назад

    When a muon is detected in the first detector, in what way is it changed until it hits the other detector? And what is the source of false detections?

  • @keeperofthegood
    @keeperofthegood 6 лет назад

    I am sorry, you got to the concrete and my brain went "metalic rebar cages, agregate, micro crystaline structures with reflective surfaces, micro structures and harmonic division..."

  • @AdityaAnupam
    @AdityaAnupam 5 лет назад +1

    Loved the video! What's that music at 0:46?

    • @kove
      @kove 3 года назад

      Came here to ask this, it was the first video he used it and has been in all after this one. It's never attributed in the description. :(

  • @PBeringer
    @PBeringer 3 года назад

    Hehe, I have that same dodgy DC bench supply in my storeroom. Interesting thing is that here in Australia it's branded "POWERTECH", and that US edition is branded as "TECHPOWER". The only explanation that isn't completely counterintuitive is that "Powertech" was already a trademark in the US prior to those dodgy things being unleashed on the world. ;)
    (The overcurrent protection sounds like it's going to take off ... or blow up. Hehe.)

  • @SciHeartJourney
    @SciHeartJourney Год назад

    This is awesome! Thank you for sharing this project with us. I want to build my own now. I have many questions about muons; do muons ever reach us from the side? I would have placed them side-by-side in co-incidence mode just to see what happens. i'm curious about the false triggers.
    I know the endpoint for an electron; it gets absorbed by an atom eventually. But what is the ultimate fate of a muon? We see that the different levels of concrete affect the muon rate. What is happening to those muons? Thanks again!

  • @musikSkool
    @musikSkool 6 лет назад

    Put them next to each other edge to edge, it should reduce the double detection to almost zero. If you offset them to a 45 degree angle, it should reduce double detections to about half. Or put them farther away to get the same effect. I would be curious about the results.

  • @acluster3411
    @acluster3411 Год назад

    Very well done!

  • @jinlaizhang312
    @jinlaizhang312 6 лет назад

    how did you get the figure in 5:33?

  • @AndyKong51
    @AndyKong51 2 года назад

    I can't find a place selling the fully assembled set, just wonder if you know. Thx

  • @libgermany
    @libgermany 6 лет назад

    Thanks for this great video! I wonder if you can elaborate further on why muons cause a light emission but other particles/waves don't? I.e. what protections does the device take against false positives?

  • @hamilpatel4025
    @hamilpatel4025 6 лет назад

    more things like this, things we can try at home/ hands-on

  • @memoali32
    @memoali32 5 лет назад

    Hello Sir, thanks so much for your video, my friends and I are trying to execute this project but we are facing several conundrums, I wanted to ask you when soldering the SiPM do you have any proceeding recommendation regarding the soldering process, as I read in the manual that it should be soldered at certain temperature and the heat should only be applied for 10 secs which makes me worry if we try to solder it we will ruin it as we have little experience when it comes to soldering, do you recommend anything that we do?