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The opening scene where Bruce has his monologue, the music blasting, criminals fearing the shadow of the unknown, and then hearing Batman’s heavy footsteps walking, was a masterful scene. Absolute chills.
I love how involved Batman is in this movie. In previous adaptation you'd probably see Batman solving crimes by his lonesome, in the Batcave, comfortable all by himself. But here he actually comes down to the crime scene, already brimming with cops. These scenes are some of my favorite from these movies because seeing him investigate amongst officers and forensics really adds to his presence and role as a detective.
@@williamphillips24 And it shows how awkward is to see man dressed as bat for police even batman himself feels awkward....in Nolan movies you don't feel that.
bro why didnt police take of his mask or why does he trust the police when theyre known to be corrupt. plus hes a vigilante, which is illegal and therefore its dumb to go in police territory. other than that good movie. just a superhero 7 remake.
@@mjl11 Why didn't the police take off his mask? Simply put: because of fear, even the police feared Batman and didn't know exactly what were his intentions or capabilities. For all they knew, he could hurt or even kill anyone who messed with him. We know he would never do that willingly, but they didn't. One of the cops did try to take off his mask, though. After Batman was knocked out by an explosion in a certain point in the movie, but he woke up immediately and didn't take it very kindly. As for trusting the police, I'd say he trusted Gordon only, and merely tolerated the rest because he was forced to cooperate with them
@@jw1219 i get the fear thing from the criminals pov. The beginning of the movie with all the criminals looking at the sign was awesome. But why would police fear him. Hes on their side, hes human and hes overpowered at least 20 to 1. That was the only issue i had with the movie and the fact he looked at the clock exploding instead if running away. But i really enjoyed it. Way better than i expected and the beginning was every batman fan wet dream.
This film made Gotham City burst into the screen in a way no other Batman live action film has and I was holding my breath the whole entire time when watching it in cinemas. Masterpiece.
I’ve watched it two times now, I felt constantly depressed (?). The whole city was constantly raining or night, it matches Batman and it felt fitting for a crime ridden city but it made the city feel sort of uninteresting. Once I see how it’s all rainy and gray I’m interested and it looks good but if that’s all I see I’m going to want more.
This is the Batman film on his way to becoming a great detective. Sure, the Riddler was smarter, but this is Batman in his earliest years, learning and building up experience. Even his fighting and gliding skills are still raw. Some people didn't like it because it doesn't have a lot of fighting and action scenes in it. Probably the people who didn't like Batman as a detective. But, some of the greatest Batman stories ever involve mystery and him being the world's greatest detective.
imo it also makes sense that he’s in the crime scenes hearing the cops talk because he’s NOT a cop, he’d get a call down from gordon only after gordon had been notified. he doesn’t have any special privileges beyond the trust of the one commissioner
Personally, I like it when there is a balance between the martial arts side of Batman, and the detective side, rather than one, or the other. The Arkham games do a great job of this, the combat in those games are so satisfying, but there are also several times where Batman solves a crime, uses detective vision, some other gadget, or just using his intellect to solve a problem. Some people get too hung up on him being the world's greatest detective, and forget the fact that him being a martial artist makes it more special. Their are hundreds of detective characters in fiction, but how many are also billionaires, a martial arts, and stealth expert, and wears a giant bat costume?
@@Ojas97 There were other things like ciphers, clues, and him trying to figure out Riddler's endgame. I think the movie does show the detective aspect pretty well
I like the finale ofThe Batman, yes it's a spectacle but it made sense and naturally builds on how the movie portrayed Riddler. Batman inspired Riddler to take action , and Riddler then inspired the discarded people of Gotham to be vengeance and take out the anger on the people they saw as the elites. All which makes Batman realize that he has to be more than an angry orphan
And in this regard, The Batman feels like it's in the same thematic universe as Joker (2019). Kinda cautionary tales about the anger of the disenfranchised and the wrong way to impose change.
Instead of a symbol of violence and vengeance, he became a symbol of hope, leading the people of Gotham out of the dark waters and into the light. The cinematography in this movie really is brilliant
While you’re not completely wrong about The Batman’s finale, and I would never compare it to Seven’s, it’s very misunderstood. It’s not just a spectacle, it serves a major purposes in the story. It is where the real key difference between Batman and the Riddler becomes apparent, with Nashton unmasking himself as little more than a pathetic breaker lashing out, rather than a builder with any vision for Gotham as he’s made himself out to be. Driven home by the last goon stealing Batman’s line, he realizes this is what vengeance looks like and it’s not the solution. It shows Bruce why he needs to change, by showing just how far the idea he sparked has spread and how destructive it has become. The army of goons isn’t just there to be beaten up, they represent everything the Riddler stood for and emphasize that he’s become more than just one man who can be locked up. The twist of the movie was realizing that Batman himself inspired the Riddler and gave rise to this force of destruction, but he desperately tried to dismiss the revelation and shut it out by calling Nashton a pathetic psychopath. It took seeing this army of his followers touting his mantra to realize that what he started has become a force of destruction he can’t just beat down, as there will always be more; he needs to change what he stands for. It did hit personal, it’s just that it got lost in the spectacle a bit.
I agree with all of your points, the army of Riddler goon symbolizes that Batman has inspired violence on more than 1 person, and seeing one of them saying "I'm Vengence" as a call back to the beginning of the movie makes Batman change. However, Batman's character growth is the only good thing about the final act. The fact that they target Bella Real is really inconsistent with what the Riddler had done, Riddler's entire goal was to expose the truth about the corruption of Gotham and eliminate those who fed on the Renewal Fund. Bella Real is not even corrupted, flooding Gotham also causes innocent death as well. For the major part of the movie, Riddler's goal was to expose the truth but in the final act, his only goal was to cause chaos.
The sound design was probably my favourite part of this already great movie. The music, The theme that sounds every time Batman makes his entrance, the sound of his boots hitting the ground, the sound of that car's engine starting up, everything just sounded so good!
*I loved how stripped back everything was, the costumes, the sets, even the music. It felt like a return to what Batman always was, a gritty, noir detective story. Amazing performances across the board also* Possibly my favorite thing that I'm not sure everyone picked up on was how Riddlers kills were all based on REAL serial killers and murders, from the 'Zodiac' killer to the surreal 'bomb around the neck' from the 'Pizza delivery man bank robber' it grounded it in reality as truth is always stranger than fiction.
@5:05, I appreciated that aspect of Batman's detective work in this movie because it fits with him still being young and learning. Yes, he knows a lot of the answers to riddles, but he's not omnipotent. Having someone point out that the tool is used to peel up carpets is a nice touch, because Batman is still humans....as opposed to a character like Sherlock Holmes, who we're supposed to believe knows everything about everything...except basic astronomy.
and it makes sense that its a trade tool that would only really be familiar to someone in the working class. And bruce never really had to work to survive
I really appreciate fleshed out versions of villains that were not present in the Dark Knight Trilogy like Penguin and Riddler in this new Batman saga. I hope to see more Batman villains without recent film adaptations given a good media portrayal through the sequel(s) to this movie. Maybe less of the supernatural ones until a bit later, though, unless they find a way to make that sort of thing work with this style of movie. Just give us more clever detective work and more gotham city to spend time in and I’d be satisfied.
Agreed, I love that the villains that weren't Joker actually got fleshed out and high quality characterization. With TDK trilogy, (with the exception of Two-Face) it felt like all the writing quality was devoted to Joker and Ra's and Bane got above serviceable portrayals or in the case of Scarecrow, had pretty spot-on adaptations but were wasted in the grand scheme of things. I won't mind more supernatural villains, Matt Reeves even expressed in them if they could be done in a grounded way; I could personally Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy working.
Gotta say that I'm not super thrilled the Joker is gonna be introduced, but I rly do hope they have other Batman villains make appearances. He's got such a huge rogues gallery of villains idk why they keep sticking with Joker.
I like how the riddles were recontextualized, it always seemed like a silly gimmick, now they were coded instructions directed to who he thought would be his accomplice. His ego made him think he's alone because everyone's stupid, so "logically" the smartest guy in the city would understand and support what he was doing. It's still driven by his intellectual pride, but not to the extent of deliberately handicapping himself. Aside from that, the Penguin must be shown in his maniac desire to attain things he feels entitled to, in a way that separates him from the grounded mafia lords Falcone and Marooni. Many don't know how to do that since they see him as just another mobster wanting power, maybe "hoarder/socialite" would be the key words to understand him.
@@bichlasagne3779 maybe theyll keep doing what they did with the deleted scene. Batman just kinda uses him for information and ideas. Then he gets out for some finale or cliff hanger ending in the last movie
The ending, although filled with spectacle, is also quite intimate imo. Like batman's whole ideology was turned upside down and by the end his core values were changed. I mean you couldn't get more intimate than that.
I couldn't take it seriously. Batman spends the whole 2 hours getting outsmarted, outclassed, and just outplayed the entire movie. Hundreds of thousands are dead and Gotham is a literal disaster zone, and Batman, who has literally accomplished basically nothing and in fact, ended up HELPING the villain execute his plan... and he's sitting there blathering platitudes about how Gotham has "hope". Excuse me, WHAT? What hope? The Riddler just turned Gotham into New Orleans during Katrina x1000, killing hundreds of thousands of people and flooding the whole city. You, the city's "hero", not only managed not to even slow the villain down - you unwittingly HELPED him do this. It's just the most narcissistic thing I've ever seen. In fact, this Batman is likely LEGALLY guilty of thousands of counts of negligent homicide or manslaughter for his part in helping the Riddler. I'm fine with Batman not winning, but man, show me some GROWTH at least. Batman just gets blown out the WHOLE MOVIE, never succeeds at all, and at the end of the movie he's standing in the flooded wreckage of the city he's supposed to be protecting with thousands dead around him and he's monologuing about hope. Just stupid and disgusting.
@@danlorett2184 where does it say hundreds of thousands are dead? how did Batman help the Riddler kill those people? the only time Batman actually unwittingly helped was in the death of Falcone, but the Riddler had set those bombs up before then, and their detonation had nothing to do with any of the murders.
@@mandatory055 so you flood NYC (basically gotham) to the depth where not even the first floor of buildings is safe, and you DON'T think there's going to be massive casualties? Everybody stuck in traffic is now either floating (bad because if they get out, they get smushed) or their car is underwater and they have to risk it. EVERYONE just lost power. Even emergency power would be questionable in places with that much water. BTW, this happens late in the day. It's going to be nightfall and there's a city flooded with 15+ ft of water, millions of people trapped (because they got no warning unlike a storm) and there's no power AND it's now night. There's no way you get out of that situation without massive casualties.
See, I loved the fact he didn't know what the tucker was, and that he didn't do much investigation himself. Bruce is still a rich elite who sees himself as above the rest, (makes sense when you see the idolized vision of his father and think about how intelligent he is) and his hatred for criminals blocks his ability to understand them. He learns that he cant let his rage and entitlement blind him. His mission hasn't changed, but he knows he has to be more than this to accomplish it. The final fall into the water for me was a great visual metaphor for him coming down to Earth, where the people he wants to protect actually needed him. He wasn't fighting a criminal when he risked his life at the end, he was just being a hero. Seems like this sets up for a more philanthropic older Bruce becoming who he thought his father was, and helping more people than he can as just Batman. This can be the start of his real secret identity as Bruce Wayne
While nothing will top "the Box" climax, I still think that the ending here is effective - Batman cuts the power cord and falls into the water creating a nice "baptism/reborn" moment. Especially when you see that beautiful top-down shot of him leading the people "into the light". Also, that same scene has several payoffs. I'm paraphrasing but, the last riddle tells Batman to "leed them or him into the light". This is a brilliant play on words, - part 1 - figuratively exposes Falcon then literally leads him into the spot where he is shot. Then you have the top-down shot of Batman leading Gotham into the light.
Excellently put. This is also part of the reason I didn't take issue with the flood in the 3rd act, it's less of a pointless spectacle and more of a metaphorical plot device to show the old city being washed away and reborn as a city that's exposed tp its mistakes and will have the strength to rectify them because it has a symbol of hope now in Batman.
@@themadtitan7603 100%!!!!! We also get a nice splash of color at the end when Batman is carrying the girl. Further enforcing the warmth of security and hope for a new day.
I've seen Se7en last year for the first time. And now i'm quite surprised that people like the ending that much. The Box-reveal just felt so obvious from a storytelling perspective. I mean we had another character that was quite fleshed out with no mayor plot. That kinda killed the impact of that scene for me. But maybe I just gessed right by dumb luck, and it was not at all obvious?
Honestly, even in Twilight I already thought he did a great acting job... He just had a shit character. You can see in the later twilight films that he was actually allowed to give Edward more of his own spin, and it showed in how likeable the character was *immediately*.
I do appreciate the themes treated in the batman. When he got electrocuted and fell in the water. It was a metaphor for rebirth and baptism. In that moment batman stopped being vengeance and became something more hopeful and justice. The Riddler is a representation of Cain, causing a flood to kill the innocent since he suffered and wanted others to suffer as well. The sins of our fathers is also a main theme in this movie. The batman redeems his father legacy while Catwoman tried to murder her father.
if your doing a murder mystery professor pyg, holiday killer, calendar man, or zzazz would be good hush (they did mention elliot family in movie), court of owls would be great for a deep dive into the corruption of gotham. (maybe hints of rhas al ghul)
The thing about The Batman's third act though is that it isn't about "spectacle", it's the third logical piece of Riddler's puzzle. The Riddler's MO usually centers around his corrupt victims being exposed before being killed. At the beginning of the movie, the mayor is shown to be not a very good person before Riddler kills him. His next Savage, a corrupt police chief who he exposes for taking bribes from criminals and being on Falcone's payroll. Then the DA he exposes for having taken a mob rat under his wing, before exploding his head. Then Falcone he exposes as the rat, before sniping him. This all leads to Gotham itself being the final target, who he has just exposed as being part of the Maroni scandal, so he decides to flood the city in an attempt to "kill" it.
So logical that none of it was hinted toward for the first two acts of the movie lol They did the big ending because superhero movie. Imagine if Se7en ended with 40 people showing up out of nowhere dressing up in Kevin Spacey cosplay.
@GalacticGourd I did pay attention to the dialogue. Which is why I know the big 40-man group big set piece ending had absolutely no story leading to it prior to the third act. It's great. They did the last scene with Dano then suddenly remembered it's a superhero movie and has to end with big loud bangs and bright flashes, hence, here comes the Cosplay Mob we've heard literally nothing about for the last THREE HOURS.
@@rainier4258 lol, in Riddler's earliest videos he says he'll kill "again and again" until the "day of judgment". It wasn't hinted, he flat out said it.
@@ironcladnomad5639 I like that the plot of the movie is so completely twisted and incoherent that the main villain of the film thinks the hero is helping him. Poor Riddler must've been so confused to find out that the entire time the "detective" he's had to spoon feed answers to isn't actually on his side. Gosh it's just like Se7en! Except not even close to the plot of that film at all lol Oh well, it'll get five sequels because people love it. I just hope an editor gets ahold of the movies first so no one is forced to sit through three hours of bad 90s movie retreads.
I really want Mr Freeze to be the villain in the sequel. I know they’re probably going to go for a more “realistic” villain like Joker, but they could do a gritty realistic Mr Freeze. His story is very emotionally heavy, I think it would work
It could be. But to me, the Mr. Freeze story from Batman TAS is too deep and true for a 3-4 year old Batman. We need Batman to face more trauma or villain just to build his empathy a little more just to ensure the sympathy towards Mr. Victor tragic story. Because i mean, Victor story from TAS is the most personal and greek tragedy-ish story of the entire Batman villain roster.
12:24 in defense, The Dark Knight was actually built upon Batman Begin, in which we had chances to get to know the city. I thought about this in your previous video about Seven, too.
In Dark Knight, not knowing the people is exactly what makes the ferrys act so great, because they become avatars of the audience. It's probably one of the strongest scenes ever in cinema because it is completely relatable. If we had seen that Gotham's population is full of diehard criminals or just pushed down civilians, then nothing in the scene would have worked. The big prisioner guy approaching the captain and using the clear threat of violance as he demands for the key ("give it to me and I will do what you should have done 10minutes ago") is a brilliant moment, because everyone assumes that he is going to kill the other boat (including the captain, who willing sacrifices his morals to live)...but then he throws key overboard, implying that he is a better person than the captain. At the same time you have the civilians boat, where people are openly discussing voting to kill people, which is how the average civilian would act, unable to be ruthless. We even see children on the ferry, which logically would mean that the clear solution should be to blow the prisoners ferry, but no one can do it. The military guy, that should all be about pragmatism, who is trained to kill, is unwilling to just kill some random people and is prepared to give it to the "only guy who has the balls to do what needs to be done", just some average working Joe, which is us! We all assume that "yeah, we would kill them all to live!" but in reality only a sociopath (like Joker) thinks that we are capable of killing random people.
yea, the fight was about gothams soul and the fact that both ships basically prove the joker wrong was the whole point. It was about two opposing world views clashing physically in the building and spiritually when the people made their choice. Is there good left in people, or will they give into chaos after the joker gives them the little push? The movie did a splendid job at that and in the end the joker lost in every way, as the batman takes the blame for two faces crimes.
I think I’d be cool to see poison ivy as the main villain if we get a second movie. The Batman changed the riddler from a zany weirdo into a full on serial killer, and I think it’d be interesting to give another villain who’s pretty outlandish in the comics a darker angle.
@@owyemen9367 My bet is on Hush. Considering the reporter that got killed was Hush' grandfather and the word Hush! literally blinked on the screen afterwards (visible in this video as well)
See that is why I feel this Batman movie was fine but effectively useless. Holy shit is Taxi driver such a better movie. That is an awesome example of how the city itself becomes its own cancerous animalistic character of its own.
As someone who was not a big DC or Batman Fan, I fucking love this. Out of all the Batman movies, it easily the most "Batman" of them all. And for the first time, Batman himself it the main focus. For that, it has become one of the first DC movies to truly have a place in my heart.
It killed me that I had to explain to my mother that Batman wasn’t JUST a rich dude but also a detective and that his costume was MENT to strike fear in the hearts of criminals. I loved the intro to the movie so much because you can actually feel that in the city.
you are right for the most part in that Batman mostly listens to other people solve things-he did solve some key things himself. He was the one that figured out the 'Drive' clue, the 'thumb drive', he found the UV words in the rat maze, he noticed the bat among rats to find the final letter. So as a detective he is on his way
This is a good take that somewhat made me love The Batman more since I've watched it in cinemas. But I think the third act is already good to me, this and Se7en are different movies with also the ending with him talking about hope prevailing not vengeance is one of my fav moments in a superhero movie. I'm fine with standard action blockbusters like what the MCU is doing yet I'm more down in superhero movies drawing inspirations from different film genres. Like, Joker drawing inspiration from Taxi Driver and King of Comedy, Logan with westerns, and The Batman with Se7en with that neo-noir take on the character.
I think the comparison to the Dark Knight on the point of "not seeing or meeting ordinary citizens of Gotham" is a tad bit unfair? Because we already saw that in Batman Begins. We already saw Gotham and it's normal citizens (the homeless person, the falaffle guy, the kid, etc.) We already saw how crime ridden (Gotham) is and how it is controlled by fear and desperation. There was no need to show it again in TDK. TDK instead shows how even the rich (bank manager and Bruce Wayne's party) and the powerful (the mob, Lau, and GCPD, the DA) are still vulnerable to one crazy madman: the Joker. So when the ordinary citizens stand up to fear, when they make the choice for themselves, defying the Joker (who was already established as an unstoppable force of crime and fear) it's a powerful moment. It validates Batman's belief that Gotham and its people are not beyond saving.
Also, Gotham citizens are very present in the dark knight. Here they are at Harvey Dent's speech, here they are shooting an innocent man to save a hospital, and here they are watching the Joker on the news. There are even minor characters that give their thoughts like at Harvey and Bruce's dinner and Batman and Harvey always talk about the symbol of hope, a symbol FOR the people of Gotham.
I don't agree with your 2nd paragraph. Mainly because Gotham in Batman Begins and in TDK are a completely different animal. TDK just kinda looks like any other city in the US. But even then, I don't agree with Filmento that the film never showed us Gotham. Because yeah, it never showed us any scenes where we can even remotely connect with them but I don't think it needs to. It's just like a regular city and I'm pretty sure anyone who lives in a city can feel some sort of connection. Same level of connection as if you're watching a disaster film. So it isn't a fantastical aspect of the film that the audience needs to connect with
@@michaelotis223 it's probably because a lot of people are saying TDK is not only the best Batman film ever made but the best film ever made and if I were to like The Batman more, there must be a reason why and in the end, you gotta bash TDK a bit more than before when the competition is weak
re your second paragraph: it’s kind of funny bc a good portion of the themes in The Batman are saying the opposite. that wealth and class can have a profound effect on people in otherwise very similar situations
Every time there is talk about Seven's ending I hope that people who haven't seen it won't get spoilered. I remember feeling the movie was okay (I was just a teenager without eyes for details), but the ending blew me away. Genius!
- He didn't _kill_ his father; he _was_ his father. - He was dead the whole time. He just didn't know it. - The other man isn't real. He becomes the other man to do the things he can't as himself. - He named himself after the horse. - He isn't hunting the killer. He _is_ the killer. Five random spoilers for anyone who comes across this comment down the line.
The Riddler was basically John Doe, Jigsaw & the Zodiac Killer mixed into 1. Really enjoyed the film. 3rd favourite Batman film. My top 2 are the Burton films. Since we are getting a sequel, why not Bryan Cranston as Mr Freeze? Save the Joker for the very end, we don't need him now.
I kinda like the going theory of it being Bane ngl, I feel this movie was p weak in terms of actual character development despite being so long and the “Bruce is an addict” theory kinda would suggest they could do that in a sequel.
The Intro was a banger!! The best thing about the movie was that it seemed like the film is just about the basic plot but in the end of the 2nd act and the whole 3rd act we find that it is challenging the character of batman not to be vengence but to be hope The movie was set so well and it didn't fell long or focused at one thing it did feel like many things were happening at the same time but the third act of the movie pulled everything back together
@@dylana.9057 Why is Batman supposed to work alone in the first place? This is the beginning of his story, AND he always had Alfred to help him out in all versions of Batman. At the end of the day Batman still ended up finding the major clues himself.
Brilliant intro and outro. Fantastic editing, as always. I always kept it to myself, but I felt unimpressed by Seven, so it was weird when I started hearing The Batman compared to it, because I adored The Batman and couldn't deny the connection. This video makes it clear why I like one so much more than the other. The stakes in The Batman are personalized throughout. I'd add that each of Riddler's riddles had little hints suggesting he knew who Batman was: from the Mayor's son, to "a rat with wings", to the orphanage donated by the Waynes... Each clue made Batman a little more paranoid, and you could see his ego sirens going off as he immediately thought of the Batman Bruce Wayne connection, and he would have to think up reasons as to why it wasn't about him... until he couldn't deny the connection anymore after seeing the Riddler's lair. And when Riddler confronts a primed for mind games Batman, he uses Batman's growing suspicion that he knows to toy with his mind and force him to confront his own similarities to Riddler, in an attempt to gaslight him into more fully embracing vengeance... And distancing himself from the shamefully privileged Bruce Wayne and the potential that figure has to affect real change, pressuring him to lean more into Batman and embracing the mask and it's limitless freedom as his true self. And a certain clown thinks Riddler's efforts were successful, so apparently Riddler got Bruce to a headspace Joker thinks he can work with. That deleted scene made me think the villains just want Batman to join them in Arkham or feel guilty for putting them there at the very least. I'm so excited to see what fascinating psychological battle Batman will face next... This was the most engaging battle of the mind I've seen on film in a long time.
Engaging battle of the mind ? Riddler is juet literally guiding batman the entire film, they never have a battle of wits. Closest is the interrogation scene.
@@ChrisPTenders Bro se7en inspired this film I don't think so you watch se7en with open mind, people used to say that se7en city is more Gotham looking than dark knight trilogy before this the batman movie
It was great to see Batman doing some detective work in this film. This felt more like what a Batman film should be more than any that have come before.
wow, i totally missed the parts where batman and riddler were doing the same things like journaling and binocular spying. hella creepy and excellent writing on Batman and his growth.
As a non Batman fan this was a good one. I watched it twice,fell asleep in the theatre first time but really didn’t miss too much. Then when I rewatched at home on hbo I was locked in all the way through. It’s a very realistic Batman and I’m excited about the next ones
the opening with filmento talking like batman was sooo good i thought it actually the movies beginning until he said different things,the voice was perfect
The film is a Se7en Masterpiece but with Batman. It's so brooding to see a Batman that only wants vengeance and nothing else. It's finding the mystery in the clock of time like with SAW with its clues and traps. It's what I never expected in a Batman film. It's like this film wanted to riddle you to find It's true prime of justice. It's when the puzzle is flipped upside down as If The Riddler is John Doe and John Krammer in one with a twisted narcissistic mind. That's what makes The Batman very vulnerable compared to the other film.
I've never seen a movie convey the feeling of being in a club as well as this one, yeah. Good to see, that I'm not the only one who thought the ending was a bit underwhelming
But it's underwhelming only because the rest of the movie is really good and we expect something really special (like in "7even"). If it was an average superhero movie, we wouldn't have this conversation.
@@grzegorzmj4881 yeah but why didn't it get a greater ending than "Batman saves the day by fist-fighting the villains"? I'm puzzled why they couldn't do something more personal. To please the marvel audience?
@@useless_name I think it was meant to show a change in Batman. He could have gotten "Vengeance" against the Riddler, but instead he had to protect the city and its citizens. Basically showing that his character has grown.
@@useless_name That's my point. The ending definitely could be more personal and less about spectacle but on the other hand it's true what Glass of Water and Tim White wrote that still there is some symbolism and growth in Batman during this final fight. Because for the first time everything he's doing is to protect and help others.
The parallels are pretty obvious. If you don't see that the batman was heavily inspired by se7en you're blind. One big difference is the ending. Se7en is a self-contained story so that's what allows the villain to win in the end. It wouldn't work in the batman universe, if they're leaving the option for sequels open.
The ending was superb - the assassin quoting "vengeance" back at batman and him realising that he has to be more - then the scene at the end where he holds the light and leads the crowd
The opening is so amazing. You really get the sense of dread and its awesome. One of the most, if not the most memorable moment. Overall great movie. Went a second time and even though its a long movie and it was only a week since my first viewing, i enjoyed it more.
I really enjoyed this film a lot. The mystery solving cases are what made the games good as well. It would be cool to see Hush or somebody like Calendar Man be the next Batman villain in the sequel. Someone who we haven't seen on the big screen before.
There's a reference to Robert Pattinson's Good Time. The store says Good Times a reference to the movie. The drop head wears a similar outfit as Robert Pattinson did in Good Time.
Of all superheroes that exist, truly only a few work well not quite as action packed comic book adventures, but genuine murder mystery/thrillers. The Batman is one of them.
I recently rewatched it on HBO max and I think it got much better upon rewatch. Still my 3rd favorite Batman Movie behind The Lego Batman Movie for nostalgia resolutions and The Dark Knight for obvious reasons. Also, I got major Planet Of The Apes Trilogy in terms of dialogue and Cloverfield vibes from the cinematography, especially in the finale. (FILMENTO PLEASE DO A VIDEO ON CLOVERFIELD!!!) Also, that scene where he save the people was a huge tear jerker for me.
@@RibusPQR understandable. Granted, that movie is a parody of Batman, so it’s poking fun at the “ship” But, yes, I get where you’re coming from and if you think about it, it still feels weird to think about.
I liked GREG FRASER's cinematography But I would love to see MICHAEL SERESIN working on the sequel He worked on the last two PLANET OF THE APES movies with Matt Reeves
I loved the movie, but the finale is my biggest issue with it. I rolled my eyes when I realized the Riddler’s final master plan was to shoot at random people and blow stuff up. I mean, it’s the freakin Riddler. Have him, I don’t know, kidnap Alfred or Selina and lead Bruce into a nightmarish labyrinth of death traps, for God’s sake. It’s not that hard. Perhaps with some crazy twist about his past or identity on top of that, I mean, why not. The point is that the ending should’ve been more intimate. The way it is, we basically have two action packed endings one after another, first Batman vs Falcone’s goons, then Batman vs Riddler’s goons. It’s redundant as shit.
Loved this movie. At first I was somewhat miffed at how Batman wasn't all that great at solving the crime or puzzles -- "Worlds Greatest Detective" and all that -- but after thinking about it and rewatching I realized that no, it fits really well. This is a young inexperienced Batman. He shows he's obviously smart -- he notices a lot of details and figures out a few key bits like finding the thumb drive -- but doesn't quite grasp the larger picture. So I think he still has room to grow, which is exactly what this movie was all about. As for the ending, I agree it wasn't really my favorite -- though I do think it does hit a personal note quite well. When the masked vigilante says "I am vengeance", repeating exactly what Batman said earlier, this is a gut punch for him to really understand exactly what he looks like to others on the outside, and it's not pretty. Unfortunately that emotional gut punch is drowned out by all the other mess and action going on at the time, so I think it could have been a lot better. Also why the heck flood the city? I don't care if it happened in the comics, it seems so pointless and unnecessary. Anyways, loved the video. Great analysis as always!
the riddler is a lunatic, so him flooding the city isnt all that crazy for him to do. After all he wants chaos, he doesnt care to get the public on his side because he knows its pointless, he just wants to cause chaos because in his mind thats the only way to get at the corrupt politicians, even if it hurts the public too
I'd be ok with Mr.Freeze as long as it's somewhat similar to the animations and arkham games. I wouldn't mind a ending similar Arkham Knight's. Another good one to bring in would be Mr.Pyg, Clayface, Ivy, Dr. Strange, Deathstroke, Deadshot or a combination of them. Ik Reeves mentioned Court of Owls which would be really good too. Obviously we'll get more Penguin as he's the head of the mafia now.
Personally, I think Riddler's motivation could've been made so that it's more personal. Edward was given hope by the Wayne's Renewal fund. However, that hope never came true because the elites and Falcone fed on the fund. This caused Riddler to harbor the hate for those who fed on Renewal Fund. He also learned of Thomas Wayne's past with Falcone which make him think that the Renewal Fund was all a lie to push his mayoral campaign. This put him on a path of eliminating anyone who fed on the Renewal Fund and uncovering the lies and corruption of Gotham. This sounds like a solid motivation for a villain. However, the movie just did not try to convey this message because Riddler himself didn't even attempt to reveal the truth about how the Renewal Fund was used to the public. He seems to care more about uncovering The Rat. The central clue of his victims was the Rat and Maroni Drug Bust, the renewal fund was barely mentioned in the movie. If the movie had focused more on Renewal Fund, it would've made Riddler's action way more personal. Like having the Renewal fund as the common pattern between his victim instead of the Maroni Drug bust. Have Riddler leave clues about how each of his victims launders money or bribe using the Renewal fund and have Batman uncover the truth. The Rat mystery is cool but it is not personal to Bruce and Riddler
I really disagree with this take because he did both and both were very personal to him. Renewal was meant to help people like him but when it failed, in his own words, the orphans would become dropheads at super early ages. Renewal never saw the light of day because Falcone was using it to launder money and was peddling huge issues like drops, corruption, etc that made Nashton's life so terrible. He wasn't exposing the Maroni drug bust as a fake just because, he was exposing the cities biggest drug bust because it was prided by all the people who made his life so shitty as something good and a sign of change when it was a complete lie that he experienced first hand. Imo, he wasn't attached to any particular case or scandal whether it be Renewal or the Maroni Drug Bust, he was exposing general lies and false promises made by politicians, cops and the courts and how it all connected back to the mob. Maybe I'm missing something but overall I thought his motives were pretty solid and personal for him, plus Dano's acting sells it super well.
The Batman/ The Reeves Verse is my favorite Batman, it has everything a person could want in a Batman film, character development, cool fight scenes & a more realistic storyline
Difference is The Batman can’t hide who the murderer is.. we knew it was the Riddler before they even filmed. That’s why spending time with killer works.
When riddler kills michell it gets me every time. Even though I know what will happen it still gives me the same feeling that it did when I watched it the first time.
I rewatched it recently and Ive come to the idea that Matt Revees took heavy inspiration on the zodiac killers outfit/psychopathy. The form of the killings though can also take inspiration from other killers both fictional and non-fictionional, with saw being the inspiration for the mouse maze but the collar bomb based of the killers of the same name.
Exactly. This version of Riddler works but I was hoping for a little bit of original ideas to make him memorable... Unfortunately he's just a mish mash of past fictional and non fictional serial killers with no innovation.
I agree with you about the ending, the Riddler’s final plan felt a bit forced, and cliche, just to see batman save the day. Making it more personal would have been more coherent
People defending the ending should ask themselves: What did you feel witnessing the Riddler's prior murders and did you get the same feeling with these huge fighting setpieces? I seriously doubt that. I really like the Batman but we should criticize all movies for their flaws, especially the ones we love.
@@useless_name The scene wasn't actually about the fighting, it was about Bruce learning how wrong he was. He thinks he can do it alone, but he needs Catwoman (one of the few people he personally cares about) to save him, and she almost gets killed in the process. Then he learns that just punching bad guys isn't enough to protect people, and everything he's been doing since his parents died - every bruise, every scar he's taken - has been for the wrong reason and having the wrong effect. *That* was the emotional climax. And I was personally bought to tears.
I really enjoyed the ending for its symbolism and presentation of the movie's core message. The Riddler thinks Batman will join him, the Riddler's goon calls himself Vengeance, Catwoman wanted to kill Falcone, and Batman fights the Riddler's goons on top of Gotham's safe zone where the citizens are at. What does it mean? Firstly, the Riddler and his followers were inspired by Batman, but got the wrong ideas while seeming unblameable. Catwoman also taunts at batman saying that he is vengeance and it's justifiable to kill Falcone with what he has done. Batman realizes how much of a presence he has on the people of Gotham, and has to change that. Batman being on top of Gotham shows how much of a pedestal he is on as Vengeance, but once he chooses to change, he falls into the water. The water is usually used as symbolizing change or rebirth in literature, similar to the act of baptizing. The phrases "cliche" and "just to see batman save the day" seem like total misunderstandings of what the movie actually sets out. "Forced" seems sort of reasonable to me, as the ending did kind of speed by, but not too much. Experiences can vary though and I have only seen this movie three times. Anyway, Batman technically did not really win. Gotham is flooded, and he was the bad guy all along. In fact if it wasn't for the change in ideologies Batman undergoes, it would seem as if Batman was just a plague to Gotham. But Batman learns. But Batman doesn't give up. But Batman knows what he needs to do. I can't think of any recent superhero/fantasy movie in the twenty first century that has the character technically lose but bounce right back up. You may be able to think of one, but to truly rebuttal my pretty bold claim you have to least at least three. Then yeah I'll give it up, it could be a little "cliche" (my memory of older movies over the years always tends to get pretty foggy)
@@EGRJ @SomeoneWeird 2233 my only issue is that the whole movie is about Riddler wanting to take down corruption, and we can see that he is a reflection of batman. But in the end, he ends up wanting to kill innocents people and the good new mayor, leaving batman no choice, and no reason to question his vision of justice
@@useless_name Sweet Summer's kid, those are two completely different things: Horror scenes and fight scenes. I'm assuming you are comparing "dread," and not every fight scene in a movie has to have super high stakes or be super intriguing. For example, the Warehouse scene in BvS. That was probably the coolest Batman fight ever, but did anyone actually feel like Batman was gonna lose? No. But was it a spectacle? Absolutely. The first half of the movie may have been more entertaining for you, but rooting the problem of the ending half of the movie to a lackluster sense of Dread between two different styles of scenery, one of which isn't made to always have that sense of Dread, seems, well, very misguided. And they are better approaches to why the fight scenes didn't work for you than making such a bold comparison mate.
The Batman actually because my number 1 Batman movie, the gross but amazingly fleshed out Gotham and the way criminals are scared at night is fucking amazing. Those first 10-15 minutes are everything. Watched it again 2 days later even though it was long as hell, but it’s necessary because that extra run time really helps with the world building. So so good, hope they keep the same atmosphere and cancerous tumor aura of Gotham.
I'm sure if Nolan were to very obviously remake a film that was already made and make it 90 minutes longer for no reason he could've done just as good a job. Instead he chose to make a new movie with a new story. Silly fella.
@@Lucks3dsm Haha! That's fair! It's probably coming off angry because I'm drinking in the afternoon and watching my baseball team lose its ass in April =D I'm just so tired of people glomming on this film. It's a Se7en remake and it's not even good! Like, how bad would Se7en have been if 40 dudes showed up at the end dressed like Kevin Spacey because "big set piece ending?" lol
@@rainier4258 Sorry for you team loosing Bro! I think the Nolan movies where very PLOT driven and it worked perfectly for him. I on the other hand Im a sucker for good character arcs. And in this movie was very well done.
Great analysis. It’s probably worth noting the point of the crime scene investigations, especially the scene investigating Mayor Mitchell Jr.’s corpse was not about giving the audience clues. The point was to show the audience: 1. The police hate Batman’s guts (except Gordon) and just barely tolerate him. 2. Gordon’s partnership with Batman has taken a huge toll on his relationship with other police officers. 3. Commissioner Savage allowed Gordon to work with Batman, but he did so reluctantly. 4. Batman is mentally sharp.
The Batman: we want to make a realistic Batman Also the Batman: *has contacts that can record and have face recognition* Hell, not even Tony Stark had that kind of technology
I love how the Riddler had a Social Media following, and the Police did NOT pick up on it. And NOBODY questioned the mass ordering of Masks that just happen to be the exact same Mask, the Cities most wanted Criminal wears. Se7en/7
It wasn’t a mass ordering of masks. They each bought their own individual masks and gear. Try paying attention to the movie next time if you’re gonna run your mouth…….
@@deadschooled Ok so you interpret my Wording in a Way, that suits your Argumentation. That's fine. Now back to argumenting like an Adult. If the Murderer wears a distinct Mask, you don't think the Police would check, who bought such a Mask recently?
The Batman reminded me of the Arkham Games, but took the detecting up notches and focused on that over the action. For a Gotham city that resembles the Arkhamverse, The Batman did a great job making it similar, but not the same. The on the ground feel with the rain and the music was super cool, but the thing that really made this movie was indeed the Riddler. He wasn't a puzzle-crazy dude boasting a high IQ like in the games, he was a genuinely terrifying antagonist on par (IMO) with the Joker from The Dark Knight. His intro was chilling, his musical theme is spooky, but what he did within the context of the movie was the real core of this character. I love when writers give the antagonist a strong point to leverage, in the case of The Batman, the fact that the city is corrupt. It's true, Batman knows it, the city knows it, but more importantly, so does the Riddler. He's the kind of villain that, mixed also with his portrayal and mannerisms, leaves an impression on you because of what his angle works from. He's not trying to take over the world, not even the city. He's simply trying to prove a point and expose what the people of Gotham don't want to take as fact. He's almost like a child really, wanting others to agree with him. Just like the Joker, he stands opposite Batman's quest for order: chaos. Both The batman and TDK could've gotten too political in that regard (depending who you ask they may already be so), but they did a great job to keep it pretty shallow. Like the Joker in TDK, you know their ideas and POV is based in a form of truth. A twisted one as villains often have, but they stand of relatively solid ground. A great hero isn't truly great unless they have a solid antagonist to oppose them. All the same, I wish the Pattinverse would've set up a new sequel antagonist besides the Joker. I love the Joker at the flip side to Batman's coin, but the DC universe has so many interesting characters that it seems a shame to do yet ANOTHER Joker. I hope they do something new or at least revert back to a more comic-booky style, like a mature version of Nicholson's Clown Prince. If they don't try a new avenue for the character, they can make up for it by introducing Talia. Yes please! - Starc0unter Video Essays
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5:40 The Riddler is Michael Reeves?
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@@christopherlyons4923 I thought it was hilarious. I couldn't stop laughing while getting ready for work.
The opening scene where Bruce has his monologue, the music blasting, criminals fearing the shadow of the unknown, and then hearing Batman’s heavy footsteps walking, was a masterful scene. Absolute chills.
I think it was taken straight from Watchmen
@@LuisSierra42 That's what it reminds me of when I first saw it.
The movie was trash
@@justonejlking okay, why?
@@LuisSierra42 a movie has narration - iT WaS TaKeN fROm WaTcHmEN
I love how involved Batman is in this movie. In previous adaptation you'd probably see Batman solving crimes by his lonesome, in the Batcave, comfortable all by himself. But here he actually comes down to the crime scene, already brimming with cops. These scenes are some of my favorite from these movies because seeing him investigate amongst officers and forensics really adds to his presence and role as a detective.
The cops reacting to his presence was a realistic one too. Stand, stare, and question his presence.
@@williamphillips24 And it shows how awkward is to see man dressed as bat for police even batman himself feels awkward....in Nolan movies you don't feel that.
bro why didnt police take of his mask or why does he trust the police when theyre known to be corrupt. plus hes a vigilante, which is illegal and therefore its dumb to go in police territory. other than that good movie. just a superhero 7 remake.
@@mjl11 Why didn't the police take off his mask? Simply put: because of fear, even the police feared Batman and didn't know exactly what were his intentions or capabilities. For all they knew, he could hurt or even kill anyone who messed with him. We know he would never do that willingly, but they didn't.
One of the cops did try to take off his mask, though. After Batman was knocked out by an explosion in a certain point in the movie, but he woke up immediately and didn't take it very kindly.
As for trusting the police, I'd say he trusted Gordon only, and merely tolerated the rest because he was forced to cooperate with them
@@jw1219 i get the fear thing from the criminals pov. The beginning of the movie with all the criminals looking at the sign was awesome. But why would police fear him. Hes on their side, hes human and hes overpowered at least 20 to 1. That was the only issue i had with the movie and the fact he looked at the clock exploding instead if running away. But i really enjoyed it. Way better than i expected and the beginning was every batman fan wet dream.
This film made Gotham City burst into the screen in a way no other Batman live action film has and I was holding my breath the whole entire time when watching it in cinemas. Masterpiece.
😂😂
@@justonejlking I died a month and a half ago. I'm writing this from heaven, surprisingly holding my breath for 3 hours isn't too good for me.
@@pepsiisbetterthancoke6283 That dude's a troll. Also I agree on what you say about Gotham.
I’ve watched it two times now, I felt constantly depressed (?). The whole city was constantly raining or night, it matches Batman and it felt fitting for a crime ridden city but it made the city feel sort of uninteresting. Once I see how it’s all rainy and gray I’m interested and it looks good but if that’s all I see I’m going to want more.
@@Comicbroe405 is that what you call people that don’t agree with you? What’s next?, let me guess I’m a bot?
This is the Batman film on his way to becoming a great detective. Sure, the Riddler was smarter, but this is Batman in his earliest years, learning and building up experience. Even his fighting and gliding skills are still raw. Some people didn't like it because it doesn't have a lot of fighting and action scenes in it. Probably the people who didn't like Batman as a detective. But, some of the greatest Batman stories ever involve mystery and him being the world's greatest detective.
imo it also makes sense that he’s in the crime scenes hearing the cops talk because he’s NOT a cop, he’d get a call down from gordon only after gordon had been notified. he doesn’t have any special privileges beyond the trust of the one commissioner
I loved this movie so much, they weren't enough of actions, but when they were, they were so well done... The ambiance of the movie was the best.
Personally, I like it when there is a balance between the martial arts side of Batman, and the detective side, rather than one, or the other. The Arkham games do a great job of this, the combat in those games are so satisfying, but there are also several times where Batman solves a crime, uses detective vision, some other gadget, or just using his intellect to solve a problem. Some people get too hung up on him being the world's greatest detective, and forget the fact that him being a martial artist makes it more special. Their are hundreds of detective characters in fiction, but how many are also billionaires, a martial arts, and stealth expert, and wears a giant bat costume?
@@Ojas97 There were other things like ciphers, clues, and him trying to figure out Riddler's endgame. I think the movie does show the detective aspect pretty well
How was The Riddler smarter?!
I like the finale ofThe Batman, yes it's a spectacle but it made sense and naturally builds on how the movie portrayed Riddler. Batman inspired Riddler to take action , and Riddler then inspired the discarded people of Gotham to be vengeance and take out the anger on the people they saw as the elites. All which makes Batman realize that he has to be more than an angry orphan
And in this regard, The Batman feels like it's in the same thematic universe as Joker (2019). Kinda cautionary tales about the anger of the disenfranchised and the wrong way to impose change.
Instead of a symbol of violence and vengeance, he became a symbol of hope, leading the people of Gotham out of the dark waters and into the light. The cinematography in this movie really is brilliant
I like the ending. It is framed as the city being just as damaged as Batman, and now he has to responsability to help it heal.
I like it as well, but Se7en's ending is objectively better imo
Not only a responsibility to the city but to himself and the wisdom to know how to do it. Really good character building here
@@errwhattheflip isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?
@@zamsparkle6883 how so?
@@errwhattheflip Well if it is your opinion then it's not really objective, is it?
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He is becoming too powerful
he's becoming vengeance
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@@romusa10 Talking Ben: *no*
While you’re not completely wrong about The Batman’s finale, and I would never compare it to Seven’s, it’s very misunderstood. It’s not just a spectacle, it serves a major purposes in the story. It is where the real key difference between Batman and the Riddler becomes apparent, with Nashton unmasking himself as little more than a pathetic breaker lashing out, rather than a builder with any vision for Gotham as he’s made himself out to be. Driven home by the last goon stealing Batman’s line, he realizes this is what vengeance looks like and it’s not the solution. It shows Bruce why he needs to change, by showing just how far the idea he sparked has spread and how destructive it has become. The army of goons isn’t just there to be beaten up, they represent everything the Riddler stood for and emphasize that he’s become more than just one man who can be locked up. The twist of the movie was realizing that Batman himself inspired the Riddler and gave rise to this force of destruction, but he desperately tried to dismiss the revelation and shut it out by calling Nashton a pathetic psychopath. It took seeing this army of his followers touting his mantra to realize that what he started has become a force of destruction he can’t just beat down, as there will always be more; he needs to change what he stands for. It did hit personal, it’s just that it got lost in the spectacle a bit.
I have nothing to say but "well said"
Your analysis is spot on.
This
There are two things good about this comment. First is that it's a spot on analysis, the second that mine was the 69th like.
I agree with all of your points, the army of Riddler goon symbolizes that Batman has inspired violence on more than 1 person, and seeing one of them saying "I'm Vengence" as a call back to the beginning of the movie makes Batman change.
However, Batman's character growth is the only good thing about the final act. The fact that they target Bella Real is really inconsistent with what the Riddler had done, Riddler's entire goal was to expose the truth about the corruption of Gotham and eliminate those who fed on the Renewal Fund. Bella Real is not even corrupted, flooding Gotham also causes innocent death as well. For the major part of the movie, Riddler's goal was to expose the truth but in the final act, his only goal was to cause chaos.
The sound design was probably my favourite part of this already great movie. The music, The theme that sounds every time Batman makes his entrance, the sound of his boots hitting the ground, the sound of that car's engine starting up, everything just sounded so good!
*I loved how stripped back everything was, the costumes, the sets, even the music. It felt like a return to what Batman always was, a gritty, noir detective story. Amazing performances across the board also*
Possibly my favorite thing that I'm not sure everyone picked up on was how Riddlers kills were all based on REAL serial killers and murders, from the 'Zodiac' killer to the surreal 'bomb around the neck' from the 'Pizza delivery man bank robber' it grounded it in reality as truth is always stranger than fiction.
This movie didn't just have mystery to solve, but it also have a character to develop
Yes. And the first part they did pretty good. But in the second part I felt it was a failure.
@@orarinnsnorrason4614 how ?
Nah it never made me think I actually think the story was the weakest aspect
@@chrisquinn3377 explain
@@liebertjohann8524 By only showing Batman and barely touch on Bruce Wayne. Also his relationship with Alfred was weird.
@5:05, I appreciated that aspect of Batman's detective work in this movie because it fits with him still being young and learning. Yes, he knows a lot of the answers to riddles, but he's not omnipotent. Having someone point out that the tool is used to peel up carpets is a nice touch, because Batman is still humans....as opposed to a character like Sherlock Holmes, who we're supposed to believe knows everything about everything...except basic astronomy.
Tbh, that's the funniest shit ever
"I'm smart as shit, I'm smarter than everyone else- wait- what the fuck is a star?"
and it makes sense that its a trade tool that would only really be familiar to someone in the working class. And bruce never really had to work to survive
this and he’s still a civilian. he’s showing up to these crime scenes last bc he’s not an actual cop/detective
I really appreciate fleshed out versions of villains that were not present in the Dark Knight Trilogy like Penguin and Riddler in this new Batman saga. I hope to see more Batman villains without recent film adaptations given a good media portrayal through the sequel(s) to this movie. Maybe less of the supernatural ones until a bit later, though, unless they find a way to make that sort of thing work with this style of movie. Just give us more clever detective work and more gotham city to spend time in and I’d be satisfied.
Agreed, I love that the villains that weren't Joker actually got fleshed out and high quality characterization. With TDK trilogy, (with the exception of Two-Face) it felt like all the writing quality was devoted to Joker and Ra's and Bane got above serviceable portrayals or in the case of Scarecrow, had pretty spot-on adaptations but were wasted in the grand scheme of things. I won't mind more supernatural villains, Matt Reeves even expressed in them if they could be done in a grounded way; I could personally Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy working.
Gotta say that I'm not super thrilled the Joker is gonna be introduced, but I rly do hope they have other Batman villains make appearances. He's got such a huge rogues gallery of villains idk why they keep sticking with Joker.
The only thing I didn't like about Riddler in this is that his last name is Nashton instead of Nigma.
I like how the riddles were recontextualized, it always seemed like a silly gimmick, now they were coded instructions directed to who he thought would be his accomplice. His ego made him think he's alone because everyone's stupid, so "logically" the smartest guy in the city would understand and support what he was doing. It's still driven by his intellectual pride, but not to the extent of deliberately handicapping himself.
Aside from that, the Penguin must be shown in his maniac desire to attain things he feels entitled to, in a way that separates him from the grounded mafia lords Falcone and Marooni. Many don't know how to do that since they see him as just another mobster wanting power, maybe "hoarder/socialite" would be the key words to understand him.
@@bichlasagne3779 maybe theyll keep doing what they did with the deleted scene. Batman just kinda uses him for information and ideas. Then he gets out for some finale or cliff hanger ending in the last movie
The ending, although filled with spectacle, is also quite intimate imo. Like batman's whole ideology was turned upside down and by the end his core values were changed. I mean you couldn't get more intimate than that.
I couldn't take it seriously. Batman spends the whole 2 hours getting outsmarted, outclassed, and just outplayed the entire movie. Hundreds of thousands are dead and Gotham is a literal disaster zone, and Batman, who has literally accomplished basically nothing and in fact, ended up HELPING the villain execute his plan... and he's sitting there blathering platitudes about how Gotham has "hope". Excuse me, WHAT? What hope? The Riddler just turned Gotham into New Orleans during Katrina x1000, killing hundreds of thousands of people and flooding the whole city. You, the city's "hero", not only managed not to even slow the villain down - you unwittingly HELPED him do this.
It's just the most narcissistic thing I've ever seen. In fact, this Batman is likely LEGALLY guilty of thousands of counts of negligent homicide or manslaughter for his part in helping the Riddler. I'm fine with Batman not winning, but man, show me some GROWTH at least. Batman just gets blown out the WHOLE MOVIE, never succeeds at all, and at the end of the movie he's standing in the flooded wreckage of the city he's supposed to be protecting with thousands dead around him and he's monologuing about hope. Just stupid and disgusting.
@@danlorett2184 I think a third act with a desperate fight to survive ending with a promise to be better is a good thing
@@danlorett2184 where does it say hundreds of thousands are dead? how did Batman help the Riddler kill those people?
the only time Batman actually unwittingly helped was in the death of Falcone, but the Riddler had set those bombs up before then, and their detonation had nothing to do with any of the murders.
@@mandatory055 so you flood NYC (basically gotham) to the depth where not even the first floor of buildings is safe, and you DON'T think there's going to be massive casualties?
Everybody stuck in traffic is now either floating (bad because if they get out, they get smushed) or their car is underwater and they have to risk it.
EVERYONE just lost power. Even emergency power would be questionable in places with that much water.
BTW, this happens late in the day. It's going to be nightfall and there's a city flooded with 15+ ft of water, millions of people trapped (because they got no warning unlike a storm) and there's no power AND it's now night. There's no way you get out of that situation without massive casualties.
@@danlorett2184 write a better story or shut up
See, I loved the fact he didn't know what the tucker was, and that he didn't do much investigation himself. Bruce is still a rich elite who sees himself as above the rest, (makes sense when you see the idolized vision of his father and think about how intelligent he is) and his hatred for criminals blocks his ability to understand them. He learns that he cant let his rage and entitlement blind him. His mission hasn't changed, but he knows he has to be more than this to accomplish it. The final fall into the water for me was a great visual metaphor for him coming down to Earth, where the people he wants to protect actually needed him. He wasn't fighting a criminal when he risked his life at the end, he was just being a hero. Seems like this sets up for a more philanthropic older Bruce becoming who he thought his father was, and helping more people than he can as just Batman. This can be the start of his real secret identity as Bruce Wayne
While nothing will top "the Box" climax, I still think that the ending here is effective - Batman cuts the power cord and falls into the water creating a nice "baptism/reborn" moment. Especially when you see that beautiful top-down shot of him leading the people "into the light".
Also, that same scene has several payoffs. I'm paraphrasing but, the last riddle tells Batman to "leed them or him into the light". This is a brilliant play on words, - part 1 - figuratively exposes Falcon then literally leads him into the spot where he is shot. Then you have the top-down shot of Batman leading Gotham into the light.
@GalacticGourd Yes sir, the progression of Vengence to Justice
Excellently put. This is also part of the reason I didn't take issue with the flood in the 3rd act, it's less of a pointless spectacle and more of a metaphorical plot device to show the old city being washed away and reborn as a city that's exposed tp its mistakes and will have the strength to rectify them because it has a symbol of hope now in Batman.
@@themadtitan7603 100%!!!!! We also get a nice splash of color at the end when Batman is carrying the girl. Further enforcing the warmth of security and hope for a new day.
Batman has the light himself and leeds them to high grounds not light. Please just for the sake of matching don't match useless words.
I've seen Se7en last year for the first time. And now i'm quite surprised that people like the ending that much. The Box-reveal just felt so obvious from a storytelling perspective. I mean we had another character that was quite fleshed out with no mayor plot. That kinda killed the impact of that scene for me. But maybe I just gessed right by dumb luck, and it was not at all obvious?
That shot of the riddler emerging was such a magnificently scary visual, really sets up the intense tone for the rest of the film.
True, it gave me a strong horror vibe.
until he starts spouting his monologue.
🧢
That scene alone was awesome.
Watching him stand in the dark in the background was so damn good.
Matt Reeves knows how to direct a master piece
100%
Robert Pattinson came a long way since his infamous TWILIGHT days
In fact he is still half men half bat
@@binewtv2214 well at least he's a cool bat now
He was amazing in Tenet.
Honestly, even in Twilight I already thought he did a great acting job... He just had a shit character. You can see in the later twilight films that he was actually allowed to give Edward more of his own spin, and it showed in how likeable the character was *immediately*.
I do appreciate the themes treated in the batman. When he got electrocuted and fell in the water. It was a metaphor for rebirth and baptism. In that moment batman stopped being vengeance and became something more hopeful and justice. The Riddler is a representation of Cain, causing a flood to kill the innocent since he suffered and wanted others to suffer as well. The sins of our fathers is also a main theme in this movie. The batman redeems his father legacy while Catwoman tried to murder her father.
I personally loved The Batman. I am so excited it's getting a sequel. I want Mr. Freeze or the Court of Owls.
The Court of Owls on the big screen will be a game changer in Batman cinema
if your doing a murder mystery
professor pyg, holiday killer, calendar man, or zzazz would be good
hush (they did mention elliot family in movie),
court of owls would be great for a deep dive into the corruption of gotham. (maybe hints of rhas al ghul)
Court of Owls is way too big for a sequel
they made a somewhat realistic joker. so i think him would be a good villain for the next batman movie
@@theirongiants what about Ra's Al Ghul?
The thing about The Batman's third act though is that it isn't about "spectacle", it's the third logical piece of Riddler's puzzle.
The Riddler's MO usually centers around his corrupt victims being exposed before being killed. At the beginning of the movie, the mayor is shown to be not a very good person before Riddler kills him. His next Savage, a corrupt police chief who he exposes for taking bribes from criminals and being on Falcone's payroll. Then the DA he exposes for having taken a mob rat under his wing, before exploding his head. Then Falcone he exposes as the rat, before sniping him. This all leads to Gotham itself being the final target, who he has just exposed as being part of the Maroni scandal, so he decides to flood the city in an attempt to "kill" it.
So logical that none of it was hinted toward for the first two acts of the movie lol
They did the big ending because superhero movie. Imagine if Se7en ended with 40 people showing up out of nowhere dressing up in Kevin Spacey cosplay.
@GalacticGourd how did riddler know about martha wayne's history of mental illness & Wayne-Falcone's link ?
@GalacticGourd I did pay attention to the dialogue. Which is why I know the big 40-man group big set piece ending had absolutely no story leading to it prior to the third act. It's great. They did the last scene with Dano then suddenly remembered it's a superhero movie and has to end with big loud bangs and bright flashes, hence, here comes the Cosplay Mob we've heard literally nothing about for the last THREE HOURS.
@@rainier4258 lol, in Riddler's earliest videos he says he'll kill "again and again" until the "day of judgment". It wasn't hinted, he flat out said it.
@@ironcladnomad5639 I like that the plot of the movie is so completely twisted and incoherent that the main villain of the film thinks the hero is helping him. Poor Riddler must've been so confused to find out that the entire time the "detective" he's had to spoon feed answers to isn't actually on his side. Gosh it's just like Se7en! Except not even close to the plot of that film at all lol
Oh well, it'll get five sequels because people love it. I just hope an editor gets ahold of the movies first so no one is forced to sit through three hours of bad 90s movie retreads.
Riddler being arrested was one of my favorite scenes. I hope he comes back and that they bring Scarecrow this time.
Honestly think scarecrow would definitely fit the atmosphere and vibe of “the Batman”
My main checklist is Bane, Scarecrow, and Two-Face. Black Mask could work too. I've heard Freeze is coming so that's exciting.
@@glassofwater281 Black Mask would be amazing, he'd fit right in
I really want Mr Freeze to be the villain in the sequel. I know they’re probably going to go for a more “realistic” villain like Joker, but they could do a gritty realistic Mr Freeze. His story is very emotionally heavy, I think it would work
we've already been down the "realistic" road before, something else would be appreciated
It could be. But to me, the Mr. Freeze story from Batman TAS is too deep and true for a 3-4 year old Batman. We need Batman to face more trauma or villain just to build his empathy a little more just to ensure the sympathy towards Mr. Victor tragic story. Because i mean, Victor story from TAS is the most personal and greek tragedy-ish story of the entire Batman villain roster.
Victor Zsasz's story would fit very well in the type of gritty realism.
12:24 in defense, The Dark Knight was actually built upon Batman Begin, in which we had chances to get to know the city. I thought about this in your previous video about Seven, too.
In Dark Knight, not knowing the people is exactly what makes the ferrys act so great, because they become avatars of the audience. It's probably one of the strongest scenes ever in cinema because it is completely relatable. If we had seen that Gotham's population is full of diehard criminals or just pushed down civilians, then nothing in the scene would have worked.
The big prisioner guy approaching the captain and using the clear threat of violance as he demands for the key ("give it to me and I will do what you should have done 10minutes ago") is a brilliant moment, because everyone assumes that he is going to kill the other boat (including the captain, who willing sacrifices his morals to live)...but then he throws key overboard, implying that he is a better person than the captain.
At the same time you have the civilians boat, where people are openly discussing voting to kill people, which is how the average civilian would act, unable to be ruthless. We even see children on the ferry, which logically would mean that the clear solution should be to blow the prisoners ferry, but no one can do it. The military guy, that should all be about pragmatism, who is trained to kill, is unwilling to just kill some random people and is prepared to give it to the "only guy who has the balls to do what needs to be done", just some average working Joe, which is us! We all assume that "yeah, we would kill them all to live!" but in reality only a sociopath (like Joker) thinks that we are capable of killing random people.
yea, the fight was about gothams soul and the fact that both ships basically prove the joker wrong was the whole point. It was about two opposing world views clashing physically in the building and spiritually when the people made their choice. Is there good left in people, or will they give into chaos after the joker gives them the little push? The movie did a splendid job at that and in the end the joker lost in every way, as the batman takes the blame for two faces crimes.
I think I’d be cool to see poison ivy as the main villain if we get a second movie. The Batman changed the riddler from a zany weirdo into a full on serial killer, and I think it’d be interesting to give another villain who’s pretty outlandish in the comics a darker angle.
Pretty sure Mr freeze is the main villian of the sequel as he should be but yes that would be amazing
Considering they're straying away from the supernatural elements, I doubt that would happen
I wanna see Bane, Two Face, Black Mask or Scarecrow really bad
@@owyemen9367 My bet is on Hush. Considering the reporter that got killed was Hush' grandfather and the word Hush! literally blinked on the screen afterwards (visible in this video as well)
@@smnb6652 that's fair too but the flooding is just literally perfect for freeze and Matt said he wanted to focus on him
The opening monologue is reminiscent of Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver, right down to Bernard Hermann's score. It's just beautiful
The way Batman goes for the Grappling Hook also reminded me of Travis Bickle
See that is why I feel this Batman movie was fine but effectively useless. Holy shit is Taxi driver such a better movie. That is an awesome example of how the city itself becomes its own cancerous animalistic character of its own.
wow dude you didn't just put these two movies in one orbit, did you.. oh god..
I wish we heard more of it throughout the movie
As someone who was not a big DC or Batman Fan, I fucking love this.
Out of all the Batman movies, it easily the most "Batman" of them all. And for the first time, Batman himself it the main focus.
For that, it has become one of the first DC movies to truly have a place in my heart.
@@SPDRM the dark knight rises is the best Batman movie ever though
@@ryanishungry7409 cap...
@@ryanishungry7409 ummmm…… no
I don't understand, you say your not a big. Fan of batman nor DC, yet you can say this feels the most "batman"
@@pochita7004 Well, even the least fans know that it is the most "Batman" movie
It killed me that I had to explain to my mother that Batman wasn’t JUST a rich dude but also a detective and that his costume was MENT to strike fear in the hearts of criminals. I loved the intro to the movie so much because you can actually feel that in the city.
you are right for the most part in that Batman mostly listens to other people solve things-he did solve some key things himself.
He was the one that figured out the 'Drive' clue, the 'thumb drive', he found the UV words in the rat maze, he noticed the bat among rats to find the final letter. So as a detective he is on his way
This is a good take that somewhat made me love The Batman more since I've watched it in cinemas. But I think the third act is already good to me, this and Se7en are different movies with also the ending with him talking about hope prevailing not vengeance is one of my fav moments in a superhero movie. I'm fine with standard action blockbusters like what the MCU is doing yet I'm more down in superhero movies drawing inspirations from different film genres. Like, Joker drawing inspiration from Taxi Driver and King of Comedy, Logan with westerns, and The Batman with Se7en with that neo-noir take on the character.
Exactly
I think the comparison to the Dark Knight on the point of "not seeing or meeting ordinary citizens of Gotham" is a tad bit unfair?
Because we already saw that in Batman Begins. We already saw Gotham and it's normal citizens (the homeless person, the falaffle guy, the kid, etc.) We already saw how crime ridden (Gotham) is and how it is controlled by fear and desperation. There was no need to show it again in TDK.
TDK instead shows how even the rich (bank manager and Bruce Wayne's party) and the powerful (the mob, Lau, and GCPD, the DA) are still vulnerable to one crazy madman: the Joker.
So when the ordinary citizens stand up to fear, when they make the choice for themselves, defying the Joker (who was already established as an unstoppable force of crime and fear) it's a powerful moment. It validates Batman's belief that Gotham and its people are not beyond saving.
Also, Gotham citizens are very present in the dark knight. Here they are at Harvey Dent's speech, here they are shooting an innocent man to save a hospital, and here they are watching the Joker on the news. There are even minor characters that give their thoughts like at Harvey and Bruce's dinner and Batman and Harvey always talk about the symbol of hope, a symbol FOR the people of Gotham.
I don't agree with your 2nd paragraph. Mainly because Gotham in Batman Begins and in TDK are a completely different animal. TDK just kinda looks like any other city in the US.
But even then, I don't agree with Filmento that the film never showed us Gotham. Because yeah, it never showed us any scenes where we can even remotely connect with them but I don't think it needs to. It's just like a regular city and I'm pretty sure anyone who lives in a city can feel some sort of connection. Same level of connection as if you're watching a disaster film. So it isn't a fantastical aspect of the film that the audience needs to connect with
There's been this recent TDK bashing; people just picking at it to justify why The Batman is their new fav toy. Its very sus
@@michaelotis223 it's probably because a lot of people are saying TDK is not only the best Batman film ever made but the best film ever made and if I were to like The Batman more, there must be a reason why and in the end, you gotta bash TDK a bit more than before when the competition is weak
re your second paragraph: it’s kind of funny bc a good portion of the themes in The Batman are saying the opposite. that wealth and class can have a profound effect on people in otherwise very similar situations
Loved the crimescene walk throughs. Made it feel like the games and felt more immersive in the sense I was looking for every clue.
Every time there is talk about Seven's ending I hope that people who haven't seen it won't get spoilered. I remember feeling the movie was okay (I was just a teenager without eyes for details), but the ending blew me away. Genius!
i mean, the movie is almost 30 years old now. At some point it becomes unrealistic to expect that you'll keep mum about spoilers in a film
- He didn't _kill_ his father; he _was_ his father.
- He was dead the whole time. He just didn't know it.
- The other man isn't real. He becomes the other man to do the things he can't as himself.
- He named himself after the horse.
- He isn't hunting the killer. He _is_ the killer.
Five random spoilers for anyone who comes across this comment down the line.
@@amberhernandezyoure shit, good thing ill forget these by the time i decide to watch seven
@@amberhernandez 3 i can reverse argue, one im not sure of and about one i have no clue.
Am absolutely stunned you of all people didn't think this was half hearted garbage.
Agree, current filmento are questionable
@@HonISfirE very strange and comparing it to seven as if it were in the dane league? Mindblown.
The Riddler was basically John Doe, Jigsaw & the Zodiac Killer mixed into 1. Really enjoyed the film. 3rd favourite Batman film. My top 2 are the Burton films. Since we are getting a sequel, why not Bryan Cranston as Mr Freeze? Save the Joker for the very end, we don't need him now.
Nah he’s already dealing a different kinda ice
Court of owls could also be a nice addition
Burton over Nolan? Damn
Or we can get scare crow, and since these will have darker tones, scarecrow would fit perfectly
I kinda like the going theory of it being Bane ngl, I feel this movie was p weak in terms of actual character development despite being so long and the “Bruce is an addict” theory kinda would suggest they could do that in a sequel.
Crazy, when I was watching The Batman I was getting Se7en, Zodiac feels. I feel maybe Matt got inspiration from those well done crime films.
If I know right, the director listed Zodiac and Se7en as inspirations for his movie
@@nagybecsarnai8502 he didn't....he listed chinatown , all the president's men,klute , French connection
@@tigarson4955 He said Zodiac was major inspiration for riddler.
@@tigarson4955 even Stevie wonder can see zodiac/Seven influence on The Batman movie.
@@ibanez9179 he said THE ZODIAC KILLER not the movie zodiac.. and nah zodiac is nothing similar to the batman lol
Glad to see you re-uploaded it as public, my heart was broken earlier
The Intro was a banger!! The best thing about the movie was that it seemed like the film is just about the basic plot but in the end of the 2nd act and the whole 3rd act we find that it is challenging the character of batman not to be vengence but to be hope
The movie was set so well and it didn't fell long or focused at one thing it did feel like many things were happening at the same time but the third act of the movie pulled everything back together
That intro was amazing😂! Between the bully Maguire and the spoof on the Batman’s beginning! Just comedy gold!
Like Columbo, the mystery is not who did it or how they did it. The mystery is how is Batman going to solve it.
& the batman didn't even solve it by himself. Furthermore the mystery to solve is lame.
@@dylana.9057 Why is Batman supposed to work alone in the first place? This is the beginning of his story, AND he always had Alfred to help him out in all versions of Batman.
At the end of the day Batman still ended up finding the major clues himself.
I was more excited for NWH than The Batman but after watching it I have to say The Batman was a more satisfying watch to me.
Brilliant intro and outro. Fantastic editing, as always. I always kept it to myself, but I felt unimpressed by Seven, so it was weird when I started hearing The Batman compared to it, because I adored The Batman and couldn't deny the connection. This video makes it clear why I like one so much more than the other. The stakes in The Batman are personalized throughout.
I'd add that each of Riddler's riddles had little hints suggesting he knew who Batman was: from the Mayor's son, to "a rat with wings", to the orphanage donated by the Waynes... Each clue made Batman a little more paranoid, and you could see his ego sirens going off as he immediately thought of the Batman Bruce Wayne connection, and he would have to think up reasons as to why it wasn't about him... until he couldn't deny the connection anymore after seeing the Riddler's lair. And when Riddler confronts a primed for mind games Batman, he uses Batman's growing suspicion that he knows to toy with his mind and force him to confront his own similarities to Riddler, in an attempt to gaslight him into more fully embracing vengeance... And distancing himself from the shamefully privileged Bruce Wayne and the potential that figure has to affect real change, pressuring him to lean more into Batman and embracing the mask and it's limitless freedom as his true self. And a certain clown thinks Riddler's efforts were successful, so apparently Riddler got Bruce to a headspace Joker thinks he can work with. That deleted scene made me think the villains just want Batman to join them in Arkham or feel guilty for putting them there at the very least. I'm so excited to see what fascinating psychological battle Batman will face next... This was the most engaging battle of the mind I've seen on film in a long time.
As if you adored this but were unimpressed by seven, that's madness.
Engaging battle of the mind ? Riddler is juet literally guiding batman the entire film, they never have a battle of wits. Closest is the interrogation scene.
@@tylerbrowne9267 whoa.... opinion police, everyone scatter.
@@ChrisPTenders where did I say you couldn't have one? Pretty cringe aren't you.
@@ChrisPTenders Bro se7en inspired this film I don't think so you watch se7en with open mind, people used to say that se7en city is more Gotham looking than dark knight trilogy before this the batman movie
It was great to see Batman doing some detective work in this film. This felt more like what a Batman film should be more than any that have come before.
I have watched more Manscaped ads than I can count, but yours is far and away the best
wow, i totally missed the parts where batman and riddler were doing the same things like journaling and binocular spying. hella creepy and excellent writing on Batman and his growth.
It was really good. RPats nailed it. Good reference to the Arkham games, that whole detective aspect was great in those.
As a non Batman fan this was a good one. I watched it twice,fell asleep in the theatre first time but really didn’t miss too much. Then when I rewatched at home on hbo I was locked in all the way through. It’s a very realistic Batman and I’m excited about the next ones
ikr i thought that the movie was bad when i first watched it
the opening with filmento talking like batman was sooo good i thought it actually the movies beginning until he said different things,the voice was perfect
Opening was glorious
The film is a Se7en Masterpiece but with Batman. It's so brooding to see a Batman that only wants vengeance and nothing else. It's finding the mystery in the clock of time like with SAW with its clues and traps. It's what I never expected in a Batman film. It's like this film wanted to riddle you to find It's true prime of justice. It's when the puzzle is flipped upside down as If The Riddler is John Doe and John Krammer in one with a twisted narcissistic mind. That's what makes The Batman very vulnerable compared to the other film.
I've never seen a movie convey the feeling of being in a club as well as this one, yeah. Good to see, that I'm not the only one who thought the ending was a bit underwhelming
But it's underwhelming only because the rest of the movie is really good and we expect something really special (like in "7even"). If it was an average superhero movie, we wouldn't have this conversation.
@@grzegorzmj4881 yeah but why didn't it get a greater ending than "Batman saves the day by fist-fighting the villains"? I'm puzzled why they couldn't do something more personal. To please the marvel audience?
I liked the ending mostly for its symbolism. Yeah it's a little underwhelming but reading more into it makes it better imo.
@@useless_name I think it was meant to show a change in Batman. He could have gotten "Vengeance" against the Riddler, but instead he had to protect the city and its citizens. Basically showing that his character has grown.
@@useless_name That's my point. The ending definitely could be more personal and less about spectacle but on the other hand it's true what Glass of Water and Tim White wrote that still there is some symbolism and growth in Batman during this final fight. Because for the first time everything he's doing is to protect and help others.
Wow, I thought I was the only one. I compared Batman to Se7en months ago on RUclips and people said I was crazy.
Then the people you were talking to were crazier
The parallels are pretty obvious. If you don't see that the batman was heavily inspired by se7en you're blind. One big difference is the ending. Se7en is a self-contained story so that's what allows the villain to win in the end. It wouldn't work in the batman universe, if they're leaving the option for sequels open.
Yeah, even from the trailers, this film wears its influences on its sleeve.
The ending was superb - the assassin quoting "vengeance" back at batman and him realising that he has to be more - then the scene at the end where he holds the light and leads the crowd
Bro, that outro was fantastic.
The opening is so amazing. You really get the sense of dread and its awesome. One of the most, if not the most memorable moment. Overall great movie. Went a second time and even though its a long movie and it was only a week since my first viewing, i enjoyed it more.
While I do think that the action climax is the weakest part, the build-up is very very well done
I really enjoyed this film a lot. The mystery solving cases are what made the games good as well. It would be cool to see Hush or somebody like Calendar Man be the next Batman villain in the sequel. Someone who we haven't seen on the big screen before.
Hands down most best manscaped ad.
I kind of dont care about the 7 or the mystery part of batman BUT I DO CARE about comedy, and yours is just getting better and better.
There's a reference to Robert Pattinson's Good Time. The store says Good Times a reference to the movie. The drop head wears a similar outfit as Robert Pattinson did in Good Time.
Of all superheroes that exist, truly only a few work well not quite as action packed comic book adventures, but genuine murder mystery/thrillers. The Batman is one of them.
I recently rewatched it on HBO max and I think it got much better upon rewatch. Still my 3rd favorite Batman Movie behind The Lego Batman Movie for nostalgia resolutions and The Dark Knight for obvious reasons. Also, I got major Planet Of The Apes Trilogy in terms of dialogue and Cloverfield vibes from the cinematography, especially in the finale. (FILMENTO PLEASE DO A VIDEO ON CLOVERFIELD!!!)
Also, that scene where he save the people was a huge tear jerker for me.
I just couldn't watch Lego Batman after learning Babs is the love interest.
@@RibusPQR understandable. Granted, that movie is a parody of Batman, so it’s poking fun at the “ship”
But, yes, I get where you’re coming from and if you think about it, it still feels weird to think about.
Have you seen Tim Burton's Batman movies?
@@tacomn Yes. I have them both, as well as the Joel Schumacher films, in a 4 film DVD
That was the best manscaped plug I've ever heard
Batman: WHAT'S IN THE BOX?
Riddler: Your parents.
Batman:😢
I do really like your channel and your film breakdowns have helped me in my fiction writing! Keep going strong!
I liked GREG FRASER's cinematography
But I would love to see MICHAEL SERESIN working on the sequel
He worked on the last two PLANET OF THE APES movies with Matt Reeves
Why did you capitalise all the letters in all the proper nouns except matt reeves?
Ehhh idk. Greg Fraser seemed to understand the assignment quite well
God damn those 2 films are puuuuuurrrttyyy.
eeh...Greig Fraser has a better style imo
I loved the movie, but the finale is my biggest issue with it. I rolled my eyes when I realized the Riddler’s final master plan was to shoot at random people and blow stuff up. I mean, it’s the freakin Riddler. Have him, I don’t know, kidnap Alfred or Selina and lead Bruce into a nightmarish labyrinth of death traps, for God’s sake. It’s not that hard. Perhaps with some crazy twist about his past or identity on top of that, I mean, why not. The point is that the ending should’ve been more intimate. The way it is, we basically have two action packed endings one after another, first Batman vs Falcone’s goons, then Batman vs Riddler’s goons. It’s redundant as shit.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who noticed the similarities between the two movies.
Masterpiece my dear filmento
Loved this movie.
At first I was somewhat miffed at how Batman wasn't all that great at solving the crime or puzzles -- "Worlds Greatest Detective" and all that -- but after thinking about it and rewatching I realized that no, it fits really well. This is a young inexperienced Batman. He shows he's obviously smart -- he notices a lot of details and figures out a few key bits like finding the thumb drive -- but doesn't quite grasp the larger picture. So I think he still has room to grow, which is exactly what this movie was all about.
As for the ending, I agree it wasn't really my favorite -- though I do think it does hit a personal note quite well. When the masked vigilante says "I am vengeance", repeating exactly what Batman said earlier, this is a gut punch for him to really understand exactly what he looks like to others on the outside, and it's not pretty. Unfortunately that emotional gut punch is drowned out by all the other mess and action going on at the time, so I think it could have been a lot better. Also why the heck flood the city? I don't care if it happened in the comics, it seems so pointless and unnecessary.
Anyways, loved the video. Great analysis as always!
He got some puzzles wrong, too. I loved that.
the riddler is a lunatic, so him flooding the city isnt all that crazy for him to do. After all he wants chaos, he doesnt care to get the public on his side because he knows its pointless, he just wants to cause chaos because in his mind thats the only way to get at the corrupt politicians, even if it hurts the public too
Se7en is still the better thriller imo.
Seen Resurrection? Very similar but it does its own thing. Highly recommend it, a hidden gem.
@@jwnj9716 I haven't seen it but I'll check it out sometime soon.
Well yeah. Because the Batman was kinda forced to be an action movie because there’s superheroes.
Well... yeah duh? Because this movie is not at heart a thriller. It's a superhero comic movie, with heavy thriller influence.
Just to clarify things, what year was it released?
I'd be ok with Mr.Freeze as long as it's somewhat similar to the animations and arkham games. I wouldn't mind a ending similar Arkham Knight's. Another good one to bring in would be Mr.Pyg, Clayface, Ivy, Dr. Strange, Deathstroke, Deadshot or a combination of them. Ik Reeves mentioned Court of Owls which would be really good too. Obviously we'll get more Penguin as he's the head of the mafia now.
I don't think I can add anything everyone else hasn't already said, but this is my favorite sponsor skit so far.
The "That's Life" part made me chuckle.
The editing in this video (the music in particular) is just on point and so damn funny
Personally, I think Riddler's motivation could've been made so that it's more personal. Edward was given hope by the Wayne's Renewal fund. However, that hope never came true because the elites and Falcone fed on the fund. This caused Riddler to harbor the hate for those who fed on Renewal Fund. He also learned of Thomas Wayne's past with Falcone which make him think that the Renewal Fund was all a lie to push his mayoral campaign. This put him on a path of eliminating anyone who fed on the Renewal Fund and uncovering the lies and corruption of Gotham.
This sounds like a solid motivation for a villain. However, the movie just did not try to convey this message because Riddler himself didn't even attempt to reveal the truth about how the Renewal Fund was used to the public. He seems to care more about uncovering The Rat. The central clue of his victims was the Rat and Maroni Drug Bust, the renewal fund was barely mentioned in the movie.
If the movie had focused more on Renewal Fund, it would've made Riddler's action way more personal. Like having the Renewal fund as the common pattern between his victim instead of the Maroni Drug bust. Have Riddler leave clues about how each of his victims launders money or bribe using the Renewal fund and have Batman uncover the truth. The Rat mystery is cool but it is not personal to Bruce and Riddler
I really disagree with this take because he did both and both were very personal to him. Renewal was meant to help people like him but when it failed, in his own words, the orphans would become dropheads at super early ages. Renewal never saw the light of day because Falcone was using it to launder money and was peddling huge issues like drops, corruption, etc that made Nashton's life so terrible. He wasn't exposing the Maroni drug bust as a fake just because, he was exposing the cities biggest drug bust because it was prided by all the people who made his life so shitty as something good and a sign of change when it was a complete lie that he experienced first hand. Imo, he wasn't attached to any particular case or scandal whether it be Renewal or the Maroni Drug Bust, he was exposing general lies and false promises made by politicians, cops and the courts and how it all connected back to the mob.
Maybe I'm missing something but overall I thought his motives were pretty solid and personal for him, plus Dano's acting sells it super well.
this is the first time Batman has been taking the Noir, detective crime route outside of the comics and I'm glad to be here for it.
The Batman/ The Reeves Verse is my favorite Batman, it has everything a person could want in a Batman film, character development, cool fight scenes & a more realistic storyline
Difference is The Batman can’t hide who the murderer is.. we knew it was the Riddler before they even filmed. That’s why spending time with killer works.
What happened to the Og Vid?
Copyright probably
I knew I wasn't tripping. I was like, didn't he already make this video?
When riddler kills michell it gets me every time. Even though I know what will happen it still gives me the same feeling that it did when I watched it the first time.
I rewatched it recently and Ive come to the idea that Matt Revees took heavy inspiration on the zodiac killers outfit/psychopathy. The form of the killings though can also take inspiration from other killers both fictional and non-fictionional, with saw being the inspiration for the mouse maze but the collar bomb based of the killers of the same name.
Exactly. This version of Riddler works but I was hoping for a little bit of original ideas to make him memorable...
Unfortunately he's just a mish mash of past fictional and non fictional serial killers with no innovation.
It actually worked
The clickbait was successful, you got me man
I got to admit, I wasn't overly convinced by the trailer, but the film won me over HARD.
I agree with you about the ending, the Riddler’s final plan felt a bit forced, and cliche, just to see batman save the day. Making it more personal would have been more coherent
People defending the ending should ask themselves: What did you feel witnessing the Riddler's prior murders and did you get the same feeling with these huge fighting setpieces? I seriously doubt that.
I really like the Batman but we should criticize all movies for their flaws, especially the ones we love.
@@useless_name The scene wasn't actually about the fighting, it was about Bruce learning how wrong he was. He thinks he can do it alone, but he needs Catwoman (one of the few people he personally cares about) to save him, and she almost gets killed in the process.
Then he learns that just punching bad guys isn't enough to protect people, and everything he's been doing since his parents died - every bruise, every scar he's taken - has been for the wrong reason and having the wrong effect.
*That* was the emotional climax. And I was personally bought to tears.
I really enjoyed the ending for its symbolism and presentation of the movie's core message. The Riddler thinks Batman will join him, the Riddler's goon calls himself Vengeance, Catwoman wanted to kill Falcone, and Batman fights the Riddler's goons on top of Gotham's safe zone where the citizens are at. What does it mean? Firstly, the Riddler and his followers were inspired by Batman, but got the wrong ideas while seeming unblameable. Catwoman also taunts at batman saying that he is vengeance and it's justifiable to kill Falcone with what he has done. Batman realizes how much of a presence he has on the people of Gotham, and has to change that. Batman being on top of Gotham shows how much of a pedestal he is on as Vengeance, but once he chooses to change, he falls into the water. The water is usually used as symbolizing change or rebirth in literature, similar to the act of baptizing.
The phrases "cliche" and "just to see batman save the day" seem like total misunderstandings of what the movie actually sets out. "Forced" seems sort of reasonable to me, as the ending did kind of speed by, but not too much. Experiences can vary though and I have only seen this movie three times. Anyway, Batman technically did not really win. Gotham is flooded, and he was the bad guy all along. In fact if it wasn't for the change in ideologies Batman undergoes, it would seem as if Batman was just a plague to Gotham. But Batman learns. But Batman doesn't give up. But Batman knows what he needs to do. I can't think of any recent superhero/fantasy movie in the twenty first century that has the character technically lose but bounce right back up. You may be able to think of one, but to truly rebuttal my pretty bold claim you have to least at least three. Then yeah I'll give it up, it could be a little "cliche" (my memory of older movies over the years always tends to get pretty foggy)
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my only issue is that the whole movie is about Riddler wanting to take down corruption, and we can see that he is a reflection of batman. But in the end, he ends up wanting to kill innocents people and the good new mayor, leaving batman no choice, and no reason to question his vision of justice
@@useless_name Sweet Summer's kid, those are two completely different things: Horror scenes and fight scenes. I'm assuming you are comparing "dread," and not every fight scene in a movie has to have super high stakes or be super intriguing. For example, the Warehouse scene in BvS. That was probably the coolest Batman fight ever, but did anyone actually feel like Batman was gonna lose? No. But was it a spectacle? Absolutely. The first half of the movie may have been more entertaining for you, but rooting the problem of the ending half of the movie to a lackluster sense of Dread between two different styles of scenery, one of which isn't made to always have that sense of Dread, seems, well, very misguided. And they are better approaches to why the fight scenes didn't work for you than making such a bold comparison mate.
The Batman actually because my number 1 Batman movie, the gross but amazingly fleshed out Gotham and the way criminals are scared at night is fucking amazing. Those first 10-15 minutes are everything. Watched it again 2 days later even though it was long as hell, but it’s necessary because that extra run time really helps with the world building. So so good, hope they keep the same atmosphere and cancerous tumor aura of Gotham.
The way character and story developed together was perfection. Sorry Nolan, but this is my favorite Batman
I'm sure if Nolan were to very obviously remake a film that was already made and make it 90 minutes longer for no reason he could've done just as good a job. Instead he chose to make a new movie with a new story. Silly fella.
@@rainier4258 bro i respect your opinion but why do you sound so mad lmao?
@@Lucks3dsm Haha! That's fair! It's probably coming off angry because I'm drinking in the afternoon and watching my baseball team lose its ass in April =D
I'm just so tired of people glomming on this film. It's a Se7en remake and it's not even good! Like, how bad would Se7en have been if 40 dudes showed up at the end dressed like Kevin Spacey because "big set piece ending?" lol
@@rainier4258 Sorry for you team loosing Bro! I think the Nolan movies where very PLOT driven and it worked perfectly for him. I on the other hand Im a sucker for good character arcs. And in this movie was very well done.
@@Lucks3dsm LMAO!
Great analysis. It’s probably worth noting the point of the crime scene investigations, especially the scene investigating Mayor Mitchell Jr.’s corpse was not about giving the audience clues. The point was to show the audience:
1. The police hate Batman’s guts (except Gordon) and just barely tolerate him.
2. Gordon’s partnership with Batman has taken a huge toll on his relationship with other police officers.
3. Commissioner Savage allowed Gordon to work with Batman, but he did so reluctantly.
4. Batman is mentally sharp.
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO EVER SINCE I SAW THE MOVIE, I remember when you said this is how this movie needs to be to succeed, just like seven
The Batman: we want to make a realistic Batman
Also the Batman: *has contacts that can record and have face recognition*
Hell, not even Tony Stark had that kind of technology
I’m certain he could’ve. He just would never need it.
Why does he have those super high tech contacts but keeps his journal in physical notebooks? maybe we'll never know
Different researchers?
@@LuisSierra42 Why wouldn't he keep his journal in physical notebooks? Why would he write it on a keyboard and a screen?
Filmento wasn't the hero we wanted, but he was the hero we needed
Didn't even watch the video yet but had to comment that the intro was perfect!
That Batman impression is too good
I love how the Riddler had a Social Media following, and the Police did NOT pick up on it.
And NOBODY questioned the mass ordering of Masks that just happen to be the exact same Mask, the Cities most wanted Criminal wears.
Se7en/7
It wasn’t a mass ordering of masks. They each bought their own individual masks and gear. Try paying attention to the movie next time if you’re gonna run your mouth…….
@@deadschooled Ok so you interpret my Wording in a Way, that suits your Argumentation. That's fine.
Now back to argumenting like an Adult.
If the Murderer wears a distinct Mask, you don't think the Police would check, who bought such a Mask recently?
The Batman reminded me of the Arkham Games, but took the detecting up notches and focused on that over the action. For a Gotham city that resembles the Arkhamverse, The Batman did a great job making it similar, but not the same. The on the ground feel with the rain and the music was super cool, but the thing that really made this movie was indeed the Riddler.
He wasn't a puzzle-crazy dude boasting a high IQ like in the games, he was a genuinely terrifying antagonist on par (IMO) with the Joker from The Dark Knight. His intro was chilling, his musical theme is spooky, but what he did within the context of the movie was the real core of this character. I love when writers give the antagonist a strong point to leverage, in the case of The Batman, the fact that the city is corrupt. It's true, Batman knows it, the city knows it, but more importantly, so does the Riddler.
He's the kind of villain that, mixed also with his portrayal and mannerisms, leaves an impression on you because of what his angle works from. He's not trying to take over the world, not even the city. He's simply trying to prove a point and expose what the people of Gotham don't want to take as fact. He's almost like a child really, wanting others to agree with him. Just like the Joker, he stands opposite Batman's quest for order: chaos. Both The batman and TDK could've gotten too political in that regard (depending who you ask they may already be so), but they did a great job to keep it pretty shallow. Like the Joker in TDK, you know their ideas and POV is based in a form of truth. A twisted one as villains often have, but they stand of relatively solid ground. A great hero isn't truly great unless they have a solid antagonist to oppose them.
All the same, I wish the Pattinverse would've set up a new sequel antagonist besides the Joker. I love the Joker at the flip side to Batman's coin, but the DC universe has so many interesting characters that it seems a shame to do yet ANOTHER Joker. I hope they do something new or at least revert back to a more comic-booky style, like a mature version of Nicholson's Clown Prince. If they don't try a new avenue for the character, they can make up for it by introducing Talia. Yes please!
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Imagine someone reviewing The Batman as a good "Se7en remake" with a straight face.
Well, that shows how brilliant The Batman movie is. For a superhero movie this is best of the best tier
Adam West: The OG Batman
Michael Keaton: The classic Batman
Val Kilmer: The Neon Batman
George Clooney: The Credit Batman
Kevin Conroy: The Voice of Batman
Christian Bale: The Cinematic Batman
Ben Affleck: The Buff Batman
Will Arnet: The Best Batman
Robert Patterson: The Detective Batman
Phillip Mentos: The Hella Lit Batman
I never knew I could "BEAT" Filmento analysis ever! They clearly said that the murderer severed the finger while he was alive, yet we did NOT see him sever it, meaning that he did hit the mayor AGAIN but AFTER finger was severed.