We make a 60 kilo inertia starter for a car
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This just makes you realize, how powerful a starter motor is, and how effortlessly it turns over an engine many times, over and over.
@JDM BEATS You can pull the neutral safety switch in pre-computer cars and the starter will move the whole car until the battery dies. It can be very useful for emergencies when you need to move the car but it wont run. I can usually move my 75 Plymouth Valiant about ten car lengths or so before it drains a battery.
@@Impactjunky Neutral what now?? You must be American. Since manual vehicles pre computers did not really even have anything to stop you from turning the started AT ANY POINT outside of wheel lock?
Maybe there was a pre computer car with a clutch being required to be pressed down but there are plenty of computer cars that you still can turn key and have the hole vehicle LUNCH forward. Or back into something. Most up to date cars even manuals ones have safety crap built in to stop starter driving. But it really is just the last 5 years or so that you can not start the engine without having the clutch down. I know auto boxes have all kinds of things to stop you but... They are trash.
Ow and do not use the starter to drive. The battery is being killed doing it and the starter motor and fly wheel is defensively not happy. It is pulling the engine AND car at the same time. Even in neutral the starter is only for emergencies and starting the vehicle. The car battery is made for a extreme but short discharge. And the starter is made for a extreme but short turn over. And the flywheel and mesh to the starter is not designed to pull the vehicle since the stress and uneven pull ruins the mesh teethes quite heavily. Driving on the starter is really uneven and mechanically painful experience.
When you can not pull the vehicle by hand. When your 3 people trying to push a car stuck then yea the starter is easier then getting a second vehicle just to get out of a problem. Might even be safer. But other then that it is only for emergencies like stuck on a rail track with a dead engine.
All very valid points. And, yes I've had to use the starter to "push" my jeep a few times. I use to own an '84 Toyota FJ60, and I've had it bog down, and die in the snow, I used the starter to literally roll it through the mud and onto the street! I wouldn't have been able to push it myself, plus I was out in the middle of nowhere.
@@TheDiner50 Yeah I must be American. And you must be totally new to cars.
If you wanted to tell us all you know nothing about mechanics then you could have just said that in one quick sentence. It didn't require this entire massive rant directed at me. Most classic cars don't even have a wheel/column lock. They weren't mandated equipment until 1970.
It's funny how you make the same mistake as every other teenage car guy by trying to trash talk automatics when that just makes you look less educated.
The automatic transmission in my 68 Plymouth Roadrunner is so light that I can pick it up and carry it around the shop myself even with fluid and converter installed. You can't do that with big heavy modern 6 speeds that can weigh twice as much, up to and over 200 pounds. It also puts more horsepower to the rear wheels than a big heavy modern 6 speed because it takes less wasted horsepower power to turn all that weight. It also shifts much less often in a 0-60 or quarter or eighth mile acceleration scenario wasting less precious acceleration time shifting gears. It also shifts gears in less than 0.16 seconds leaving black marks on the road between shifts every single time without ever missing a gear.
It also pushes my 50 year old antique car to basically whatever top speed I want based on my currently selected final drive ratio/tire combo. I most often run a 3.55 final drive ratio with a roughly 135 MPH/217 KMH top speed with my current rear tire size, giving me loads more low end acceleration and torque at the cost of top speed. Any time I want I can install taller rear tires or taller gears for more top speed. With the current gearing and taller tires max speed would be about 160MPH/ 257 KMH. Swapping back to my stock taller 2.76 gear and current tires would put top speed around 175 MPH/281 KMH at the cost of some acceleration. Swapping to a 4 inch taller rear tire would stretch that gearing out to exactly 200 MPH/321 KMH. And that's with only 3 gears. My third gear is the same ratio as fourth in most six speeds.
Oh and launch is spelled with an A. Not lunch. And by the way thanks for repeating exactly the same thing I said about moving with the starter in an emergency. That was totally necessary.
Yeah my dad made us a billy cart with a starter motor in the 90s, it wasnt the fastest thing on earth but it had torque.... i remember carrying car batteries at like 8 years old lol.
These guys are always answering the questions I never asked, and I love it
They always have the most random builds. It’s awesome
Hi Kevin love your vids!
Let’s go 🎉🎉❤
They answer the questions that nobody is game to ask!
They're mad and the world needs more people like that.
These are not the guys that never answered the questions not me never asked, and I'm confused.
Did you remember to turn the ignition back on after you switched it off? Easy to forget if you're not using the starter motor....
Me and my buddy were laughing the whole time watching it thinking the same thing!
Man, you know that's what happened.
Their rust-to-rust welds failed? Impossible!
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Inconceivable
Send me a link to your inertia started engine
I’m as shocked as you are
@@Papawheelie57 ruclips.net/video/2LsVXPDUaCo/видео.html
I love these guys, their ideas never end. Just imagine the kind of cars mad max would have I these guys built them
+1
Yea that would be cool
U could say that but probably will never end up in the movie as to say a WASTELAND car is the proper name as the 100+ Wasteland movies & wasteland weekend have 90% have nothing in common with Mad Max because they tell there stories. P.S there's about 60+ wasteland movies here on RUclips that I found
I Russia it's so cold that there's no need for radiators.
I tell you true, they all will be classic lada 😁
That starting flywheel looks like it has a "Lada" inertia!😁🤣
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lol
You guys, have to do a mechanical start-stop system with this flywheel, using some type of clutch engaging from the cab. It would be interesting to see how you would work it out.
Trunk starter. Connect it to the rear wheel or something. Use the normal clutch and gearbox. Done.
The zaniest, most entertaining "mechanics" on all of RUclips. You guys are nuts, lots of laughs watching your vids.
"It's not going to work if I take it easy!"
Haha... so many great quotes in this video. The road to 107% is never easy!
This is awesome! The old cars that started with hand crank would have wanted this invention. You should use a coaster brake from a bicycle and put it between the inertial and the shaft so if the car doesn't start, then the inertial will coast instead of stopping suddenly. I thought at first you used a coaster gear with the crank handle so if the car started you wouldn't get your arm ripped off. But I see you must take your hand away when the pulley is engaged.
It’s nice to see you guys are still going even with all this stuff going on, keep up the good work!
what will he try next a peddle powered starter for the car next?
@@raven4k998 Oh that would be the best way to start it!
I really love how these mechanics answer questions I never had but are really fun to find out anyway with their experimentation. Steel nail wheels, super speed wipers, carburettors. And now "What if my car could be crank started?"
Would never worry about a dead battery again.
they need stronger welds for a more durable robust starter and problem solved
Build a car with a jet engine.
That may take a little bit more than a few ladas and a machineshop to do. Now if they had a way of getting over to ukraine and getting one from something like a crashed SU-25 then by all means they should do it.
@@thatguyoverthere9634 if some guy in his garage can build one they can.
That's too easy, and uninterested, these guys have way more creativity. Jet cars have been done before, but I'm sure these guys would take it further lol
ruclips.net/video/gcJCY8kXEkw/видео.html this guy built a turboshaft bmw
With the war going on I am amazed they are able to do anything
Over 50 years I have played with many different size machines (mostly mowers - but chippers and other stuff) where the driven load could be run to maximum speed, the drive from the engine disengaged (if these was a PTO brake it had to be disconnected) - and the engine switched off. The fun was to switch the engine ignition back on and re-engage the load RESTARTING THE ENGINE WITH THE STILL-MOVING LOAD and not having to use the starting rope or electric starter.
I once had a carbureted V8 Chevy pickup that had the original generator (not alternator) I traded some welding for an old obsolete distributor-type magneto that fit the 283.
Since where I live is very hilly I NEVER HAD TO BUY BATTERIES OR STARTERS. The generator was low output but it worked fine with no battery at all. You know those metal ramps people use to change oil? I kept a pair of them in the pickup bed. If I had to shut the truck off on level ground I would run the front wheels up almost to the top of the ramps - then set both the driveshaft and rear drum parking brakes - then finally shut the engine off and let the clutch out in 1st gear.
Came time to leave it was: Put it in reverse, switch key on, kick off both parking brakes let it roll like two feet backwards, let out the clutch and it started every time...
i love how the old man's eyes fall upon it and you can see he's taking a trip back to memory lane.
old man steps back remembering how t-34's hand crank could lashback and break an arm lols
Yep, he had already seen it all, you could tell :o)
I like how the young dude sprinkled the dirt like the fancy restaurant salt technique
If you want bigger inertia you should make large mass of metal, such as metal or lead ring as far from axis as possible. Sand won't cut it as good as metal ring. Maybe as an idea for second attempt.
A hoop. The moment of inertia for hoops are well known, so there shouldn't be any problem in calculating how heavy to make it to turn the engine over
There used to be gyro buses using a big flywheel to generate electricity. Which would power drive motors.
Once the bus got to a stop the fly wheel would be re-spun by a motor.
Maybe try something similar, a battery free electric car. Maybe even do away with the electrical side and use torque converter to run the wheels.
Love this channel. The things you guys do make RUclips a better place.
these guys show why crank starters are a thing of the past why cause they probably kept breaking due to material failures plain and simple
Funny as always! Maybe try a "pony" motor like on big bulldozers from the fifties! A chainsaw engine maybe.
That's how the biggest tractor-pull rigs are started. Just... The "pony" motor is usually a supercharged V8.
@@TheAttacker732 A V8 would be an even better idea than a chainsaw engine!
Grandfather had a hand crank tractor when I was a kid many years ago. I used that tractor almost every day during the summer and fall. Be careful or the English words of the day will be "Ford Fracture". I have came close myself a few times. Handle will become stuck and come around and break the two bones in your forearm. Have handle removed before engaging lever. Great starter idea. Old solutions to new problems.
I like this idea, only don't use sand or concrete. Fill the inertia wheel with lead so it won't shed velocity as quickly when engaged. Also to make it easier to turn, a small gear reduction perhaps a two or three to one for the drive with a slip joint direct the engine much like a pull start engagement off a lawn mower it string trimmer.
Get the inertia wheel spinning fast enough it starts to ring then engage it to the engine. Stand back Incase of shrapnel.
*START YOUR ENGINES!*
Garage54:
I have just realized the main guy looks like chubby Putin.
(No offense intended, love the show)
the way everyone gathers around, like "yeah, this is an entirely reasonable way to start your car" lmfao
Every car should be retrofitted with this starter! You guys are going to be millionaires!
LOL had to laugh how ya bashed the front of the poor Lada " WE GONNA MAKE IT FIT" HAHAHAHAH always enjoy your videos
The welds only broke because that mechanic tried stopping that 125lb flywheel too early
I have started a Ford model T with a hand crank. Not new tech. But a heavy wheel may have stopped the kick back. Nice job 👌
My dad brought a lada Riva second hand he was desperate ( we are in UK ) a A reg 1984 looked like the white on in the corner with the round head lights and crime bumper and that had a starting hande and he tried it once for fun. . when he got made redundant and got a reasonable pay out he got a job 50 mile's away so he brought one new G reg 1990 the one with the square headlights
If every American car guy watched these awesome car guys work, they’d realize we’re all pretty much the same 😊
lol, the start-up sounded like a hybrid car when a petrol engine starts up. What a smooth transition sound @5:50
Now I understand how people broke their arms starting cars back in the day. Thanks, Garage 54!
Reminds me of those Chinese Toy cars which had an intertia motor which you had to drag it on floor and it'd start moving on it's own. Reminds me of that toy lexus lx470 I had. Nostalgia.
fantastic! i had an old sailboat with a crank start. almost impossible. i was thinking about hooking up a bicycle pedal system. sold the boat and bought an old harley...
What a great idea to present videos from one of the most innovative countries in the world.
I'd like to see a clock spring starter like my old mower used to have, man that thing put some energy down fast. Little wonder they got outlawed back in the day.
Those type of wind up spring powdered starters are common on marine diesels especially those used in emergency service like lifeboats and backup generators. Buhk diesels are famous for them.
I believe those things are still being made, mostly for tractors or other agricultural engines I believe.
They are expensive though !
Think they are called Kauffman starters. BIG spring.
I can see someone in the ER trying to explain how they ran themselves over starting their car but forgot to put it neutral
8:41 NEVER pour water into a hot engine that is not running. It will crack or warp the engine block and possibly cylinder heads too depending on what material they are made of. Wait for it to cool first or keep the engine running so it won't cool rapidly.
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I really wish the stupid war would end . I have always wanted to make some gifts for you. My favorite channel!
What about a big gyroscope spinning with a strong motor to rotate it so once it spun up it can be quickly rotateed causing the car, even if stationary, to pop up on it's left or right wheels. That would be fun. Put some round roll bars on top so the car can be rotated a full 360 degrees. Maybe that would help with parallel parking. Stop by a spot then the car rolls over 360 degrees ending up in the parking spot hopefully.
Imagine stalling at traffic lights 😂
making it heavier definitely works, but higher speed (using a gear or similar) gives you much more energy. flywheels are used for emergency power because they can provide peak power instantaneously. They use carbon-fiber flywheels in a vacuum spinning at 500,000 RPM. Tons of energy due to the high speed.
I'm starting to think Vlad is just my uncle from another country more and more, pulling up to someone's house to deliver something or help with something. But showing up early or something/anything, so he's got a legitimate excuse for bumming coffee. Since he's finished his cup by that point
Russians: we don't need starters, we got arm power.
I think they already build what they're after: A bicycle has a range of gears and a gear change system. It could be pedal or hand crank, as long as it has a low enough gear to get it started, and a couple of higher ratios to really get it up to speed.
At 11:04 i liked the letters FKD where the pulley broke off 🤣
Proof of concept is strong with these guys
Think the handle should be near the center of the flyweel or pulley to have more rpm with small arm movement.
Also think that there is no need to a separate handle but only a piece of pipe that can turn on the rod
I'd love to take an engineering class with these guys, are they classically gained or just gain knowledge by a lifetime experience or both?
They just experiment a lot with Ladas lol
Neither is needed, but more difficultly, they actually understand the mechanical functions they're trying to achieve.
Do you really think these guys are "classically trained"? None of the stuff they are doing would be taught in a class. Except maybe welding.
If you want to learn this stuff, just go out and start doing stuff. You'll eventually figure out what works and what doesn't, and what tools you need and which ones you don't.
Bro just literally fuck around and find out lmao
@@mediocreman2 All these concepts are taught. You learn to calculate inertia, so you know the exact energy it would change from X rpm to Y rpm (knowing you want 900 rpm to start, how fast do you need to spin it if it normally takes a starter Z number of watt*seconds to start the car?). You would also know the exact torque seen on that shaft and the shear force on the welds.
ALL of that is taught in class, its how they are applying it (which is not really that novel, its been done in this case before) that part is just creatively using what they know.
Does anyone ever Pimp Out Ladas?
Seems like the perfect candidate car.
Now I want to see a 60kg flywheel
They actually did that. ruclips.net/video/0M92bfoJZMo/видео.html
The Conclusion: The polite way of saying the 200 pound gorilla was pulling too hard on the start lever.
I planned on doing this with my riding mower but was thinking about something more like a clutch engagement, not belt.
9:35 Vlad found his long lost brother n didn’t even know it😂
I just lost the videos. They make my day SO much better. Thank you all for who you fo
A 1.5x ratio would be good so you don't have to try too hard but you can get more revs
Nice. Maybe it would be possible to build a working start/stop function with a big extra flywheel instead of using electric starter and battery for that.
Next idea: 3D printed parts. Like rims, clutches, etc.
It's the Siberian A-Team!
They need to invent a pull starter recoil on cars that come with a decompression valve to make pulling the starter effortless and easy crank over
If there is ever an apocalypse I'm putting my money on these guys to survive
Wow, first time I'm disappointed, I'm a retired mechanic and wanted to see a usable crank start, this is kids stuff
Tell me your getting ready for an EMP attack without actually telling me lol just kidding
You ain't kidding🙃
You guys should build a car powered by a weed eater engine and a series of flywheels, pulleys, and gear reduction boxes.
I used to love watching you guys and then you slowly drifted off my youtube home page for some reason, glad to see you back tho.
How to install a 60 Kilo inertia starter on a Lada
Tools required: Sledge Hammer
You guys are definately wacky wuskys, you brill , please carry on 😂😂👍
great content. Think we need a Lada Snow mobile for winter build.
Was kind of hoping the flywheel didn't have a lock and was gonna freewheel....
That would have been neat to see...stand back!!...hahahhaha
Thicker shafting and a wheel weighted towards the edge would be much more effective. The idea is perfectly sound but the execution too weak and insufficiently thought out. For example they could cut off the end of a scrap crankshaft to harvest one journal and the flywheel mounting flange. Bore that stub shaft for some heavier round bar (can be turned from a truck axle etc, no need to buy premade shafting but any local machine shop may have suitable leftovers) mounted in suitable pillar blocks (flanged style mounted to plate or flat bar brackets would be my choice as the path of least work). A manual transmission style flywheel off something large (big truck diesel engine etc) is already balanced and heavy. It would be inconvenient to stack more than one but two might be doable.
Instead of a hand crank (hand starters are a terrible idea and always were because human legs are far stronger) a Maytag gas engine style kick starter engaging a flywheel ring gear would apply MUCH more force and permit a long kicker lever making backfire a non-issue.
The cool thing about such problems is some bright mechanic somewhere has already solved the problem elegantly. The trick is finding their solution and RUclips videos make visualizing concepts easy. I hope they keep at it. It would make a great emergency starter for generator and water pump engines.
What about an air pump like a bicycle pump. Pump pressure into a container and have a valve so intake manifold either is connected to pressurized container or carburetor/fuel injector thing. Pressure pushing pistons down with intake valves open gets engine spinning then switch back to carburetor/fuel injector.
They really should of set the system up so several hamsters spinning their wheel get the flywheel going and that starts the motor.
Carry in trunk for emergency. My Focus starts on slight hill. In emergency, got out of street using starter motor in 1st gear.
This spring, when snow is gone, spin it up to the rupture speed, with the engine.
On a well tuned engine cold normally take 3 revs to start on crank handle .5 to 1rev for a motor at operational temperature
Yup. This goes into the file cabinet in my brain instead of the toilet. Thanks☕😎👍
PLEASE NEXT TIME DO A VIDEO OF a car with a truck braking system (with the tssshh sound you know) PLEASE GUYS UPVOTE
Heavy flywheels are terrifying things- this is pretty neat!
You should use a small R/C motor to get it spinning, or a couple hamsters might work🤔
And plz make sure it's in neutral or in reverse 😉
I wanna see the version with the hamsters. Maybe make a huge hamster wheel powered car
They mad a huge hamster wheel driven Lada a while back
Glad to see you back.....
0:53 "hey guys, the starter of my beloved Lada doesn't work."
Garage 54: "no problem, we can fix it it!" 😎
Next week " ok, the new starter works, but now the cars front heavy" - " no problem, we can put some tractor wheels on the front".
Who needs a $60 starter motor when you can just make a rotational inertia starter for free?
I always work on my own cars motorcycles boats etc, but i am a mess when it comes to wiring ... i just make a mess out of it and often have fires break out on me. this may be the solution i' been looking for. yes i think i can do that to my old chevy.
Try building a ratchet starter, or one that works with shotgun blanks. WW2 Aircraft use them
haha dirt bae filling the starter cracked me up
We started our gas-powered airplanes as a kid with our fingers, by engaging prop with a spring, and lantern battery connected to a glow plug.
8:18 "With enough speed, you don't even have to start the engine." 😅😅
Feed the exhaust back into the carburetor to return any left over hydrocarbons
In version 2, maybe you could stick a gear box with clutch on the front of the engine and spin the disk up to speed before turning the engine off, then you could use the clutch to crank the engine with the disk
AND that is why they didn't design something like this ...IMPRACTICAL.
You could pair it with an alternator and jumper cables as sort of a last resort for somewhere far remote.
Gotta love the 'Saltbae Technique' 😊😅😂
Love it 😍 and it worked for tanks and fighter planes back in the day.
This would be great in the winter if the battery is half dead. You just use the starter motor to slowly spin up the flywheel, and once it reaches enough speed, you engage it and start the engine
This poor Lada has seen more shit than any other vehicle, ever. Props to it for still somewhat running!!!
Thank god, they finally bought a plasma cutter. So much better than those cut-off discs they kept using for years.
Thats how you would start some old airplanes and tanks
60 kg??? That is absolutely terrifying depending on how fast that is going it does not stop
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This might work a little better on a car from the 1910s-20s, since most of them didn’t have starters
Should try a cartridge starter ,like used on old aircraft engines ! See the film flight of the Phoenix !